| limeylight | 12-10-2006 06:35 PM |
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What is the best rallycross event you have ever attended and why?
I'd like to pool our experiences to figure out what makes an event popular with the participants; either driving, working or just watching.
Maybe free beer afterwards (or before!), podium girls (or guys), awesome course, $1000 prize list. What?
Paul
I'd like to pool our experiences to figure out what makes an event popular with the participants; either driving, working or just watching.
Maybe free beer afterwards (or before!), podium girls (or guys), awesome course, $1000 prize list. What?
Paul
| fliz | 12-10-2006 06:43 PM |
I'd have to go with the one where this pic was taken:
[img]http://rallymaniac.smugmug.com/photos/86939809-S.jpg[/img]
Great course, one high-speed straight that got rutted out. That was the small jump. When we drove the other way, I got a lot more air.
For me, I like some nice tight corners you can e-brake around, some sweepers you have to feather the throttle to keep from washing out, and a nice straight (possibly with a yump) you can top out second on.
[img]http://rallymaniac.smugmug.com/photos/86939809-S.jpg[/img]
Great course, one high-speed straight that got rutted out. That was the small jump. When we drove the other way, I got a lot more air.
For me, I like some nice tight corners you can e-brake around, some sweepers you have to feather the throttle to keep from washing out, and a nice straight (possibly with a yump) you can top out second on.
| limeylight | 12-10-2006 06:55 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;16276281]I'd have to go with the one where this pic was taken:
[img]http://rallymaniac.smugmug.com/photos/86939809-S.jpg[/img]
Great course, one high-speed straight that got rutted out. That was the small jump. When we drove the other way, I got a lot more air.
For me, I like some nice tight corners you can e-brake around, some sweepers you have to feather the throttle to keep from washing out, and a nice straight (possibly with a yump) you can top out second on.[/QUOTE]
So your vote would be for "awesome course" then.
[img]http://rallymaniac.smugmug.com/photos/86939809-S.jpg[/img]
Great course, one high-speed straight that got rutted out. That was the small jump. When we drove the other way, I got a lot more air.
For me, I like some nice tight corners you can e-brake around, some sweepers you have to feather the throttle to keep from washing out, and a nice straight (possibly with a yump) you can top out second on.[/QUOTE]
So your vote would be for "awesome course" then.
| fliz | 12-10-2006 07:09 PM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16276370]So your vote would be for "awesome course" then.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Awesome course and close competition.
Yep. Awesome course and close competition.
| AlbaScoob | 12-11-2006 07:50 AM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16276213]What is the best rallycross event you have ever attended and why?
I'd like to pool our experiences to figure out what makes an event popular with the participants; either driving, working or just watching.
Maybe free beer afterwards (or before!), podium girls (or guys), awesome course, $1000 prize list. What?
Paul[/QUOTE]
Detroit SCCA Bob's Family raceway day/night event in October.
3 sets of 3 runs on 3 different stages the last one being at night...
after the first 6 runs we had the BBQ's out (outside the pit area of course) before the night sections...there was a grandstand...not a straight section of the course so it was all about controling the car sideways!
competition was close...it was fantastic...
I'd like to pool our experiences to figure out what makes an event popular with the participants; either driving, working or just watching.
Maybe free beer afterwards (or before!), podium girls (or guys), awesome course, $1000 prize list. What?
Paul[/QUOTE]
Detroit SCCA Bob's Family raceway day/night event in October.
3 sets of 3 runs on 3 different stages the last one being at night...
after the first 6 runs we had the BBQ's out (outside the pit area of course) before the night sections...there was a grandstand...not a straight section of the course so it was all about controling the car sideways!
competition was close...it was fantastic...
| limeylight | 12-11-2006 08:09 AM |
[QUOTE=AlbaScoob;16280934]Detroit SCCA Bob's Family raceway day/night event in October.
3 sets of 3 runs on 3 different stages the last one being at night...
after the first 6 runs we had the BBQ's out (outside the pit area of course) before the night sections...there was a grandstand...not a straight section of the course so it was all about controling the car sideways!
competition was close...it was fantastic...[/QUOTE]
Thanks Dave.
I wondered how long it would take you to find this thread. I guess we now know what your priorities are first thing Monday morning.
How was your party? (pm)
Do you think a mid-February event could be successfully extended into the evening hours?
3 sets of 3 runs on 3 different stages the last one being at night...
after the first 6 runs we had the BBQ's out (outside the pit area of course) before the night sections...there was a grandstand...not a straight section of the course so it was all about controling the car sideways!
competition was close...it was fantastic...[/QUOTE]
Thanks Dave.
I wondered how long it would take you to find this thread. I guess we now know what your priorities are first thing Monday morning.
How was your party? (pm)
Do you think a mid-February event could be successfully extended into the evening hours?
| AlbaScoob | 12-11-2006 11:47 AM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16280999]Thanks Dave.
I wondered how long it would take you to find this thread. I guess we now know what your priorities are first thing Monday morning.
How was your party? (pm)
Do you think a mid-February event could be successfully extended into the evening hours?[/QUOTE]
the party was great...I suffered on Sunday though and I had to power wash the car which wasnt fun...
Any event at night is alot of fun! The problem will be the cold. Although I'm fine with it, mid February could potentially see arctic conditions!....(searches for studded tyres)
I wondered how long it would take you to find this thread. I guess we now know what your priorities are first thing Monday morning.
How was your party? (pm)
Do you think a mid-February event could be successfully extended into the evening hours?[/QUOTE]
the party was great...I suffered on Sunday though and I had to power wash the car which wasnt fun...
Any event at night is alot of fun! The problem will be the cold. Although I'm fine with it, mid February could potentially see arctic conditions!....(searches for studded tyres)
| cowapult | 12-11-2006 11:55 AM |
Ok, so the two entries so far sound fun, but both included elements that are against SCCA rules for safety reasons IIRC (jumps and night running).
Don't get me wrong - I don't care and I'm not tattletelling - but I am going to say that's too easy a competition. It's easy to make a fun event if you are willing to bend the rules. Any yahoo can go drive 100mph down a forest road.
A more difficult competition would be "Who puts on the most fun rallycrosses while still obeying the rules?" ...even including stuff like the average and max speed rules. That is a challenging and impressive feat - because SCCA's rules are pretty strict.
Don't get me wrong - I don't care and I'm not tattletelling - but I am going to say that's too easy a competition. It's easy to make a fun event if you are willing to bend the rules. Any yahoo can go drive 100mph down a forest road.
A more difficult competition would be "Who puts on the most fun rallycrosses while still obeying the rules?" ...even including stuff like the average and max speed rules. That is a challenging and impressive feat - because SCCA's rules are pretty strict.
| AlbaScoob | 12-11-2006 12:41 PM |
[QUOTE=cowapult;16283257]Ok, so the two entries so far sound fun, but both included elements that are against SCCA rules for safety reasons IIRC (jumps and night running).
Don't get me wrong - I don't care and I'm not tattletelling - but I am going to say that's too easy a competition. It's easy to make a fun event if you are willing to bend the rules. Any yahoo can go drive 100mph down a forest road.
A more difficult competition would be "Who puts on the most fun rallycrosses while still obeying the rules?" ...even including stuff like the average and max speed rules. That is a challenging and impressive feat - because SCCA's rules are pretty strict.[/QUOTE]
just for the record...
I don't recall anything in the rules stating that night events are not allowed, but I could be wrong.
There has also been no indication that organisers intentionally build jumps into the courses. Over the course of the day the ground does change and we do our best to re-route the course to offer the smoothest line possible both for safety and for vehicle sympathy.
As for competition speeds, we adhere to the 60-40mph rule as do many other regions.
Don't get me wrong - I don't care and I'm not tattletelling - but I am going to say that's too easy a competition. It's easy to make a fun event if you are willing to bend the rules. Any yahoo can go drive 100mph down a forest road.
A more difficult competition would be "Who puts on the most fun rallycrosses while still obeying the rules?" ...even including stuff like the average and max speed rules. That is a challenging and impressive feat - because SCCA's rules are pretty strict.[/QUOTE]
just for the record...
I don't recall anything in the rules stating that night events are not allowed, but I could be wrong.
There has also been no indication that organisers intentionally build jumps into the courses. Over the course of the day the ground does change and we do our best to re-route the course to offer the smoothest line possible both for safety and for vehicle sympathy.
As for competition speeds, we adhere to the 60-40mph rule as do many other regions.
| RallyCat66 | 12-11-2006 12:45 PM |
For me, the best events are those that have nice, flowing courses on surfaces that don't get too rough to fast. Hastings in 2005 was decent (Saturday was a little on the fast side - but Sunday was pretty good). Several of the events we run in New England are similar (Ascutney VT & Union ME for instance). Nice big open fields with few or no rocks and tend to hold up very well.
In other words, I like smooth flowing mid-range second gear courses that really reward being smooth and carrying momentum.
Tim
In other words, I like smooth flowing mid-range second gear courses that really reward being smooth and carrying momentum.
Tim
| cowapult | 12-11-2006 01:21 PM |
[quote=AlbaScoob;16283924]just for the record...
I don't recall anything in the rules stating that night events are not allowed, but I could be wrong.
There has also been no indication that organisers intentionally build jumps into the courses. Over the course of the day the ground does change and we do our best to re-route the course to offer the smoothest line possible both for safety and for vehicle sympathy.
As for competition speeds, we adhere to the 60-40mph rule as do many other regions.[/quote]
Yeah I'm wrong. I can't find anything in the rules about night events. Maybe I read that in our local supps or something. Although, night events would probably violate the spirit of several other rules, since the organizers wouldn't be able to see the course conditions, the workers, or whether spectators were in places they shouldn't be.
I don't recall anything in the rules stating that night events are not allowed, but I could be wrong.
There has also been no indication that organisers intentionally build jumps into the courses. Over the course of the day the ground does change and we do our best to re-route the course to offer the smoothest line possible both for safety and for vehicle sympathy.
As for competition speeds, we adhere to the 60-40mph rule as do many other regions.[/quote]
Yeah I'm wrong. I can't find anything in the rules about night events. Maybe I read that in our local supps or something. Although, night events would probably violate the spirit of several other rules, since the organizers wouldn't be able to see the course conditions, the workers, or whether spectators were in places they shouldn't be.
| fliz | 12-11-2006 01:25 PM |
[QUOTE=cowapult;16283257]Ok, so the two entries so far sound fun, but both included elements that are against SCCA rules for safety reasons IIRC (jumps and night running). [/QUOTE]
Good thing we're not SCCA sanctioned. ;)
Actually, the hole was not present at the event start, and this was the first time we'd run this course. We did try to reroute after it got dug out, but it didn't work so well.
For the next event we did at the site, the course was routed around the troublesome spot.
It's too bad this event site is being turned into condo's this winter. :(
Good thing we're not SCCA sanctioned. ;)
Actually, the hole was not present at the event start, and this was the first time we'd run this course. We did try to reroute after it got dug out, but it didn't work so well.
For the next event we did at the site, the course was routed around the troublesome spot.
It's too bad this event site is being turned into condo's this winter. :(
| rupertberr | 12-11-2006 01:44 PM |
Night RallyCross is not against the rules. I have done at least one a year for the past 5 and they were always fun. Howard Duncan's first RallyCross was one of our night event's last year.
I'll agree with smooth flowing courses as being the best. I find hard packed dirt parking lots to be better then unpacked open fields.
I also love ice RallyCross. We do a couple of those each year if the ice doesn't melt on frozen lakes.
Getting airborne is definitely a no-no.
I'll agree with smooth flowing courses as being the best. I find hard packed dirt parking lots to be better then unpacked open fields.
I also love ice RallyCross. We do a couple of those each year if the ice doesn't melt on frozen lakes.
Getting airborne is definitely a no-no.
| rupertberr | 12-11-2006 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE=cowapult;16284512] night events would probably violate the spirit of several other rules, since the organizers wouldn't be able to see the course conditions, the workers, or whether spectators were in places they shouldn't be.[/QUOTE]
Corner workers have big high powered spot lights that they use to check the course after each car passes. We have no problem keeping track of spectators and workers.
Corner workers have big high powered spot lights that they use to check the course after each car passes. We have no problem keeping track of spectators and workers.
| #522 | 12-11-2006 03:12 PM |
Las Vegas Region SCCA Rally-x on the dry lake bed in Jean Nevada. Long, flowing courses in giant wide open areas with no rocks at all. This is the main reason I liked it so much. The dirt gets loose so your car gets really dirty, but no rock chips and no deep ruts.
Plus, you can drive around away from the course and practice. I've done 2 or 3 of them, super fun and not hard on regular street cars with stock or mildly lowered suspension.
There were no corner workers, just one of the guys shagging cones on an enduro bike and a few people running stop watches.
Plus, you can drive around away from the course and practice. I've done 2 or 3 of them, super fun and not hard on regular street cars with stock or mildly lowered suspension.
There were no corner workers, just one of the guys shagging cones on an enduro bike and a few people running stop watches.
| limeylight | 12-11-2006 03:39 PM |
Thanks guys. These replies are great and very useful but are a bit more course-centric than I was expecting.
Anyone have any suggestion beyond a great course or is that all that is needed?
Maybe heated bathrooms with extra soft, 2-ply paper and car mags for reading material. What do you think?
Paul
Anyone have any suggestion beyond a great course or is that all that is needed?
Maybe heated bathrooms with extra soft, 2-ply paper and car mags for reading material. What do you think?
Paul
| cowapult | 12-11-2006 05:31 PM |
Well, seems like rallycross is usually no frills! The course is definitely the most important thing to me.
Ok so what else?
* On-site BBQ for sale, or at least fast food somewhere in the area. There's nothing I hate more than soggy, cold, PB&J.
* Close to a major city so people don't have to drive a couple hours.
* Results available at mid-day and immediately after end-of-day to make rivalry more fun.
* Entertainment/information for spectators. For example, someone on a PA reading results and making the occasional wiseacre comment. Or, at the very least, a results board posted where spectators can wander up and get an understanding of what's happening.
* Spectator spot that has a good view of most of course, or at least a view of some spots where cool action happens.
Props to Tarheel for nabbing every one of those. My home WDCR-SCCA doesn't get ANY of those, but the course is so good that it makes up for it. So that gets back to the first point.
Ok so what else?
* On-site BBQ for sale, or at least fast food somewhere in the area. There's nothing I hate more than soggy, cold, PB&J.
* Close to a major city so people don't have to drive a couple hours.
* Results available at mid-day and immediately after end-of-day to make rivalry more fun.
* Entertainment/information for spectators. For example, someone on a PA reading results and making the occasional wiseacre comment. Or, at the very least, a results board posted where spectators can wander up and get an understanding of what's happening.
* Spectator spot that has a good view of most of course, or at least a view of some spots where cool action happens.
Props to Tarheel for nabbing every one of those. My home WDCR-SCCA doesn't get ANY of those, but the course is so good that it makes up for it. So that gets back to the first point.
| AlbaScoob | 12-11-2006 05:34 PM |
[QUOTE=#522;16286270]Las Vegas Region SCCA Rally-x on the dry lake bed in Jean Nevada. Long, flowing courses in giant wide open areas with no rocks at all. This is the main reason I liked it so much. The dirt gets loose so your car gets really dirty, but no rock chips and no deep ruts.
Plus, you can drive around away from the course and practice. I've done 2 or 3 of them, super fun and not hard on regular street cars with stock or mildly lowered suspension.
There were no corner workers, just one of the guys shagging cones on an enduro bike and a few people running stop watches.[/QUOTE]
that sounds great...next year we'll all come over, rent some Mustangs and come play!
:lol:
Plus, you can drive around away from the course and practice. I've done 2 or 3 of them, super fun and not hard on regular street cars with stock or mildly lowered suspension.
There were no corner workers, just one of the guys shagging cones on an enduro bike and a few people running stop watches.[/QUOTE]
that sounds great...next year we'll all come over, rent some Mustangs and come play!
:lol:
| akuhner | 12-11-2006 10:43 PM |
Location, location, orgianization. Have a good course, keep on time, and get lots of runs. Forget the other gimics you mentioned.
Think Rally Park North East, but without the late starts and other organizational bumbling that plagued the place.
Think Rally Park North East, but without the late starts and other organizational bumbling that plagued the place.
| #522 | 12-15-2006 11:56 AM |
[QUOTE=AlbaScoob;16288374]that sounds great...next year we'll all come over, rent some Mustangs and come play!
:lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes, do. I've seen rental 'Stangs, "Focuii" and even a JAG, ha. Check the LV region SCCA Website for schedules. Maybe I'll make it back up there again next season.
As far as the other stuff, the LV guys and some of our local rally-x's had a port-o-jon, and a grill for burgers. That's about as much extras as I need. I think the Gravel Crew in CA has some extra stuff going on during their events, but I haven't attended one yet, but maybe someone who has will chime in.
:lol:[/QUOTE]
Yes, do. I've seen rental 'Stangs, "Focuii" and even a JAG, ha. Check the LV region SCCA Website for schedules. Maybe I'll make it back up there again next season.
As far as the other stuff, the LV guys and some of our local rally-x's had a port-o-jon, and a grill for burgers. That's about as much extras as I need. I think the Gravel Crew in CA has some extra stuff going on during their events, but I haven't attended one yet, but maybe someone who has will chime in.
| STiShawn | 12-15-2006 12:22 PM |
our location allows almost mile long courses, with elevation changes and great viewing for spectators and drivers. Its not too rough surface wise and street cars do fine. But prepared cars have a lot of fun on it.
| Recce01 | 12-15-2006 01:41 PM |
[QUOTE=#522;16337053]Yes, do. I've seen rental 'Stangs, "Focuii" and even a JAG, ha. Check the LV region SCCA Website for schedules. Maybe I'll make it back up there again next season.
As far as the other stuff, the LV guys and some of our local rally-x's had a port-o-jon, and a grill for burgers. That's about as much extras as I need. I think the Gravel Crew in CA has some extra stuff going on during their events, but I haven't attended one yet, but maybe someone who has will chime in.[/QUOTE]
I guess the main difference at GCRallyX events was the ton of spectators that would come, crazy obsticles to avoid.......
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/74715308/in/set-1603598/[/url]
and tons of cool prizes........ like the trophys
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/74723366/in/set-1603598/[/url]
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/74715167/in/set-1603598/[/url]
oh ya.... and some cash money!!!!!!!
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/76459258/in/set-1603598/[/url]
RIP Tombstone... best dirt on the earth, car killing obsticles, fierce competition, and most fun ever for $45
As far as the other stuff, the LV guys and some of our local rally-x's had a port-o-jon, and a grill for burgers. That's about as much extras as I need. I think the Gravel Crew in CA has some extra stuff going on during their events, but I haven't attended one yet, but maybe someone who has will chime in.[/QUOTE]
I guess the main difference at GCRallyX events was the ton of spectators that would come, crazy obsticles to avoid.......
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/74715308/in/set-1603598/[/url]
and tons of cool prizes........ like the trophys
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/74723366/in/set-1603598/[/url]
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/74715167/in/set-1603598/[/url]
oh ya.... and some cash money!!!!!!!
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodneywills/76459258/in/set-1603598/[/url]
RIP Tombstone... best dirt on the earth, car killing obsticles, fierce competition, and most fun ever for $45
| limeylight | 12-15-2006 01:53 PM |
Now you're talking.
These are all great ideas. I am going to digest them then steal the best ones. I hope that's OK with everyone.
Paul
These are all great ideas. I am going to digest them then steal the best ones. I hope that's OK with everyone.
Paul
| AlbaScoob | 12-16-2006 08:24 AM |
I agree with alot of the comments here...
a brisk flowing course thats longer than a minute!
car starts on the minute like rallying - this works and keeps the event moving at a steady pace
results posted after morning sessions and final results at the end of the day
night events
snow/ice events
prizes would be nice
spectator areas - like the grandstand we have at Bob's & Fowlerville
snack shack of some sort
port-a-jon
a brisk flowing course thats longer than a minute!
car starts on the minute like rallying - this works and keeps the event moving at a steady pace
results posted after morning sessions and final results at the end of the day
night events
snow/ice events
prizes would be nice
spectator areas - like the grandstand we have at Bob's & Fowlerville
snack shack of some sort
port-a-jon
| limeylight | 12-16-2006 08:40 AM |
[QUOTE=AlbaScoob;16345869]I agree with alot of the comments here...
a brisk flowing course thats longer than a minute!
car starts on the minute like rallying - this works and keeps the event moving at a steady pace
results posted after morning sessions and final results at the end of the day
night events
snow/ice events
prizes would be nice
spectator areas - like the grandstand we have at Bob's & Fowlerville
snack shack of some sort
[/QUOTE]
port-a-jon with Charmin Ultra, their "softest touch and most absorbent!"
a brisk flowing course thats longer than a minute!
car starts on the minute like rallying - this works and keeps the event moving at a steady pace
results posted after morning sessions and final results at the end of the day
night events
snow/ice events
prizes would be nice
spectator areas - like the grandstand we have at Bob's & Fowlerville
snack shack of some sort
[/QUOTE]
port-a-jon with Charmin Ultra, their "softest touch and most absorbent!"
| AlbaScoob | 12-16-2006 09:06 AM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16345914]port-a-jon with Charmin Ultra, their "softest touch and most absorbent!"[/QUOTE]
just any kind of paper would be nice....
:lol:
just any kind of paper would be nice....
:lol:
| Hondaslayer | 12-16-2006 10:36 AM |
Nice smooth course so I can open up the Forester...........
Basically, last weekend but with BBQ.
Basically, last weekend but with BBQ.
| Fred | 12-16-2006 10:45 AM |
Oakland Acres national challenge, 2006. THAT COURSE!!!!!, great organization by DC Region SCCA, real-time scoring and entertaining announcing by THSCC, two days of THAT COURSE, cool/fun people, free beer, lunch available on site, and I drove well. Doesn't get much more fun than that, until next year when I bring the STi.
:)
:)
| limeylight | 12-16-2006 11:01 AM |
I cut my rallycross teeth on THAT course back in, oh, when they first started running there. Is it still the same layout or have they revised it? From what I remember it was initially mowed out of a fallow field but over time the brush grew to become small trees. I imagine by now, if nothing has been done, it might be like a forest stage.
Great events but I didn't know any different. Is Rob still in charge?
Great events but I didn't know any different. Is Rob still in charge?
| AlbaScoob | 12-16-2006 02:23 PM |
DetSCCA as always looking for new sites and there are perhaps a couple of options over here...
soooo...I'd be interested to hear how many of you Detroit/east MI doods would come over to GR/west MI area for a rallycross?
What about a 2 day event like the nationals? Or perhaps combine a TSD with a rallycross?
Also, how many of you east MI guys are we going to see at rallycross events next year? I see loads of Subarus driving around GR but no-one shows up to play!
At the risk of jinxing myself I can assure you after running all the events since last summer we havent suffered any car damage with the exception of popping a tire off a rim...which went right back on the next day with no problems.
any thoughts?
soooo...I'd be interested to hear how many of you Detroit/east MI doods would come over to GR/west MI area for a rallycross?
What about a 2 day event like the nationals? Or perhaps combine a TSD with a rallycross?
Also, how many of you east MI guys are we going to see at rallycross events next year? I see loads of Subarus driving around GR but no-one shows up to play!
At the risk of jinxing myself I can assure you after running all the events since last summer we havent suffered any car damage with the exception of popping a tire off a rim...which went right back on the next day with no problems.
any thoughts?
| mhoerath | 12-16-2006 10:21 PM |
Best RallyCross Course
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Hey Sam, Mark here. Our OA course is very nice, 1:30's to run and clay that doesn't rut at all. Usually very fast. Greasy when wet! Check [URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9064877668222870172&pr=goog-sl[/URL] for a run. Tarheel dirt is sandy loam and even when it ruts stay pretty soft. It's good to have different venues for sake of variety. Both venues have some high speed sweepers plus some tighty turny stuff but stay in 2nd gear. Stay tuned to [URL]http://www.dcrally.com/rallycross/rallycross.htm[/URL] for 2007 season events, held near Culpepper, VA. For all you lowered beauty body types, easy on your car it will just get a bit dirty is all!
| Hondaslayer | 12-16-2006 10:23 PM |
[QUOTE=AlbaScoob;16347687]DetSCCA as always looking for new sites and there are perhaps a couple of options over here...
soooo...I'd be interested to hear how many of you Detroit/east MI doods would come over to GR/west MI area for a rallycross?
What about a 2 day event like the nationals? Or perhaps combine a TSD with a rallycross?
Also, how many of you east MI guys are we going to see at rallycross events next year? I see loads of Subarus driving around GR but no-one shows up to play!
At the risk of jinxing myself I can assure you after running all the events since last summer we havent suffered any car damage with the exception of popping a tire off a rim...which went right back on the next day with no problems.
any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
I take it you and the misses are offering a bed and some eggs to go with the overnight stay?
;) :D :lol:
Edit: Forgot the stupid emoticons
soooo...I'd be interested to hear how many of you Detroit/east MI doods would come over to GR/west MI area for a rallycross?
What about a 2 day event like the nationals? Or perhaps combine a TSD with a rallycross?
Also, how many of you east MI guys are we going to see at rallycross events next year? I see loads of Subarus driving around GR but no-one shows up to play!
At the risk of jinxing myself I can assure you after running all the events since last summer we havent suffered any car damage with the exception of popping a tire off a rim...which went right back on the next day with no problems.
any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
I take it you and the misses are offering a bed and some eggs to go with the overnight stay?
;) :D :lol:
Edit: Forgot the stupid emoticons
| limeylight | 12-17-2006 09:43 AM |
[QUOTE=mhoerath;16350628]Hey Sam, Mark here. Our OA course is very nice, 1:30's to run and clay that doesn't rut at all. Usually very fast. Greasy when wet! Check [URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9064877668222870172&pr=goog-sl[/URL] for a run. Tarheel dirt is sandy loam and even when it ruts stay pretty soft. It's good to have different venues for sake of variety. Both venues have some high speed sweepers plus some tighty turny stuff but stay in 2nd gear. Stay tuned to [URL]http://www.dcrally.com/rallycross/rallycross.htm[/URL] for 2007 season events, held near Culpepper, VA. For all you lowered beauty body types, easy on your car it will just get a bit dirty is all![/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting the video. it really brings back memories. Looks like the same course I used to run but recently moved.
I really miss that red Virginia clay.
Did you go to the one, I think it was the second year, in Spring, where the weather forecast was cold with drizzle but it turned into a big, for Virginia, snow storm? We all registered, changed our wheels and slipped and slid over to the starting grid and then they cancelled the event with the first car on the start line. I think the rational was that if we ran we would destroy the track for the rest of the season.
Thanks for posting the video. it really brings back memories. Looks like the same course I used to run but recently moved.
I really miss that red Virginia clay.
Did you go to the one, I think it was the second year, in Spring, where the weather forecast was cold with drizzle but it turned into a big, for Virginia, snow storm? We all registered, changed our wheels and slipped and slid over to the starting grid and then they cancelled the event with the first car on the start line. I think the rational was that if we ran we would destroy the track for the rest of the season.
| limeylight | 12-17-2006 09:51 AM |
[QUOTE=hondaslayer;16350639]I take it you and the misses are offering a bed and some eggs to go with the overnight stay?
[/QUOTE]
I want a full Scottish breakfast including black pudding (Lancs) and baked beans but no fried bread for me please. Endless cups of tea and rubbery cold toast in a toast rack with Robertsons marmalade or lemon curd please. May even need some hair of the dog to wash it all down.
What are emoticons anyway?
:lol: :) :( :o ;) :p :cool::banana: :disco: :alien:
[/QUOTE]
I want a full Scottish breakfast including black pudding (Lancs) and baked beans but no fried bread for me please. Endless cups of tea and rubbery cold toast in a toast rack with Robertsons marmalade or lemon curd please. May even need some hair of the dog to wash it all down.
What are emoticons anyway?
:lol: :) :( :o ;) :p :cool::banana: :disco: :alien:
| Fred | 12-17-2006 10:26 AM |
kinda hard to tell from the video, so I just wanted to add that my 2.5RS hits 2nd gear rev limiter in a few places on THAT COURSE.
:banana:
:banana:
| Hondaslayer | 12-17-2006 10:49 AM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16352783]I want a full Scottish breakfast including black pudding (Lancs) and baked beans but no fried bread for me please. Endless cups of tea and rubbery cold toast in a toast rack with Robertsons marmalade or lemon curd please. May even need some hair of the dog to wash it all down.
What are emoticons anyway?
[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what half that stuff it, but I'll try anything once :banana:
What are emoticons anyway?
[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what half that stuff it, but I'll try anything once :banana:
| mhoerath | 12-17-2006 08:25 PM |
OA Mud and New Course
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Did you go to the one, I think it was the second year, in Spring, where the weather forecast was cold with drizzle but it turned into a big, for Virginia, snow storm? We all registered, changed our wheels and slipped and slid over to the starting grid and then they cancelled the event with the first car on the start line. I think the rational was that if we ran we would destroy the track for the rest of the season.[/quote]
About 3-4 yrs ago? That was my 1st rallx and it was cancelled! The liquid mud was about 6" on top of the medium liquid mud. Still finding dirt from that event underneath the car. We toured another site today next to culpeper airpot, huge open field x3 size of OA track field. I see at least a 2 min run. Rob is stepping down as Chair and i'm stepping up, should be ok.
About 3-4 yrs ago? That was my 1st rallx and it was cancelled! The liquid mud was about 6" on top of the medium liquid mud. Still finding dirt from that event underneath the car. We toured another site today next to culpeper airpot, huge open field x3 size of OA track field. I see at least a 2 min run. Rob is stepping down as Chair and i'm stepping up, should be ok.
| limeylight | 12-17-2006 08:37 PM |
That's cool but I don't think I could concentrate for that long.
Good luck with it. Don't forget the toilet paper.
Paul
[url]www.TeamIlluminata.com[/url]
Good luck with it. Don't forget the toilet paper.
Paul
[url]www.TeamIlluminata.com[/url]
| SlideWRX | 12-18-2006 01:57 PM |
Having concession stands at Bob's & Fowlerville was nice. Hot drinks of some sort would be great for the colder events where the concession stand may not be open.
Less cones is better.
Honestly, our last several events where we used the time-of-day & airhose for timing have worked out well; no big complaints.
Tom
Less cones is better.
Honestly, our last several events where we used the time-of-day & airhose for timing have worked out well; no big complaints.
Tom
| Big C | 12-18-2006 02:16 PM |
[QUOTE=cowapult;16284512]Yeah I'm wrong. I can't find anything in the rules about night events. Maybe I read that in our local supps or something. Although, night events would probably violate the spirit of several other rules, since the organizers wouldn't be able to see the course conditions, the workers, or whether spectators were in places they shouldn't be.[/QUOTE]
Per the SCCA rep that visited our event back in 2004, we were in violation of the rules/insurance because a few trees/bushes obscured a clear view of the entire course. This was why Rob, Kristie and myself clear cut the field. This immediately squashes a "legal" night rally-x since you can't see much of anything other than headlights.
Per the SCCA rep that visited our event back in 2004, we were in violation of the rules/insurance because a few trees/bushes obscured a clear view of the entire course. This was why Rob, Kristie and myself clear cut the field. This immediately squashes a "legal" night rally-x since you can't see much of anything other than headlights.
| Big C | 12-18-2006 02:18 PM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16346481]I cut my rallycross teeth on THAT course back in, oh, when they first started running there. Is it still the same layout or have they revised it? From what I remember it was initially mowed out of a fallow field but over time the brush grew to become small trees. I imagine by now, if nothing has been done, it might be like a forest stage.
Great events but I didn't know any different. Is Rob still in charge?[/QUOTE]
Rob, my wife and myself burned up a brand new chain saw and about 5 chains clear cutting the field. Rob just retired from the organizer spot and handed it to Mr. Hoerath.
Great events but I didn't know any different. Is Rob still in charge?[/QUOTE]
Rob, my wife and myself burned up a brand new chain saw and about 5 chains clear cutting the field. Rob just retired from the organizer spot and handed it to Mr. Hoerath.
| Big C | 12-18-2006 02:21 PM |
[QUOTE=SlideWRX;16363691]
Honestly, our last several events where we used the time-of-day & airhose for timing have worked out well; no big complaints.
Tom[/QUOTE]
Any details on your airhose timing? I tried to find info about that on the web and the one place that had it on their site wasn't doing it anymore. I have a simple design for pretty wheelspin proof finish line but couldn't find the pressure switch/etc I would need to make it happen.
-C
Honestly, our last several events where we used the time-of-day & airhose for timing have worked out well; no big complaints.
Tom[/QUOTE]
Any details on your airhose timing? I tried to find info about that on the web and the one place that had it on their site wasn't doing it anymore. I have a simple design for pretty wheelspin proof finish line but couldn't find the pressure switch/etc I would need to make it happen.
-C
| RoundtheBend | 12-19-2006 01:42 AM |
Big C,
I'm also interested in the airhose timing system as well as your system. :D
-Erik
I'm also interested in the airhose timing system as well as your system. :D
-Erik
| SlideWRX | 12-19-2006 03:36 PM |
[QUOTE=Big C;16364001]Any details on your airhose timing? [/QUOTE]
[quote]Parts can be found at :
[url]http://www.benfordfueling.com/shop/page13.html[/url]
Instructions for trip assembly for timing clock
Most timing clocks require a closed circuit trip, that is the wires are shorted as the vehicle crosses a specific point. If for some reason you required a normally closed circuit (N/C) this trip could control a N/C 12volt relay with a 12volt lantern battery. A military ammo can makes a good starting point. They are rugged, watertight, inexpensive, provide storage and have handles. If the steel ones seem too heavy they also come in plastic.
There are only three basic components.
1. The rubber hose which lays in the road
2. The pneumatic relay
3. wire to connect to the clock
The rubber hose, same stuff you drive over in the gas station. Enough to cross one lane and duct tape to keep it in place. At the website below they sell a plug and anchoring device but using the KISS method you can plug the out end of the hose with anything. A bolt of the appropriate size with a shoulder works fine. The relay; Check the website listed. This would be the most expensive part, overpriced for sure but made to work in a gas station for years. This is the connection between the hose and the wire to your clock. This is generally about the size of a single gang electrical box. Mount it inside the box where you can get at it if you need to service it. The top of these ammo boxes comes off so it would seem like the perfect place. If you mount this by drilling holes through the box seal them with silicone sealer or you loose "watertight". Wire. Needs to rough enough to be walked on and driven on but is not going to carry much current. The cheapest extension cord you can find at Home Depot will work fine. If the standard lengths are not long enough they sell it by the foot from spools. This cord will contain three wires, one each, black, white, and green. Use any two. Using the same two on both ends will make your life less stressful. The unused wire could be considered a spare but thats like storing lumber in you attic to build a new house in case yours burns.
Some final ideas.
Get everything together BEFORE you buy the box so you know what size to buy (your not limited to U.S. surplus sizes there's plenty of others out there). Maybe paint the box something other than OD green so people will see it before they park on it. The wire and the hose need to be dead ended to the box so they don't get ripped out of the relay. Anything else you might want to store in the box? Maybe the next bigger size. Make one more box than you need, just incase Murphy worked overtime and you can't seem to fix one.
Change anything you want if it will work better, just tell Pego at SCCA so she can tell everybody else.[/quote]
Is this what you're looking for?
[quote]Parts can be found at :
[url]http://www.benfordfueling.com/shop/page13.html[/url]
Instructions for trip assembly for timing clock
Most timing clocks require a closed circuit trip, that is the wires are shorted as the vehicle crosses a specific point. If for some reason you required a normally closed circuit (N/C) this trip could control a N/C 12volt relay with a 12volt lantern battery. A military ammo can makes a good starting point. They are rugged, watertight, inexpensive, provide storage and have handles. If the steel ones seem too heavy they also come in plastic.
There are only three basic components.
1. The rubber hose which lays in the road
2. The pneumatic relay
3. wire to connect to the clock
The rubber hose, same stuff you drive over in the gas station. Enough to cross one lane and duct tape to keep it in place. At the website below they sell a plug and anchoring device but using the KISS method you can plug the out end of the hose with anything. A bolt of the appropriate size with a shoulder works fine. The relay; Check the website listed. This would be the most expensive part, overpriced for sure but made to work in a gas station for years. This is the connection between the hose and the wire to your clock. This is generally about the size of a single gang electrical box. Mount it inside the box where you can get at it if you need to service it. The top of these ammo boxes comes off so it would seem like the perfect place. If you mount this by drilling holes through the box seal them with silicone sealer or you loose "watertight". Wire. Needs to rough enough to be walked on and driven on but is not going to carry much current. The cheapest extension cord you can find at Home Depot will work fine. If the standard lengths are not long enough they sell it by the foot from spools. This cord will contain three wires, one each, black, white, and green. Use any two. Using the same two on both ends will make your life less stressful. The unused wire could be considered a spare but thats like storing lumber in you attic to build a new house in case yours burns.
Some final ideas.
Get everything together BEFORE you buy the box so you know what size to buy (your not limited to U.S. surplus sizes there's plenty of others out there). Maybe paint the box something other than OD green so people will see it before they park on it. The wire and the hose need to be dead ended to the box so they don't get ripped out of the relay. Anything else you might want to store in the box? Maybe the next bigger size. Make one more box than you need, just incase Murphy worked overtime and you can't seem to fix one.
Change anything you want if it will work better, just tell Pego at SCCA so she can tell everybody else.[/quote]
Is this what you're looking for?
| Storz | 12-19-2006 04:05 PM |
[QUOTE=AlbaScoob;16280934]Detroit SCCA Bob's Family raceway day/night event in October.
3 sets of 3 runs on 3 different stages the last one being at night...
after the first 6 runs we had the BBQ's out (outside the pit area of course) before the night sections...there was a grandstand...not a straight section of the course so it was all about controling the car sideways!
competition was close...it was fantastic...[/QUOTE]
I am new to rallycross and as I understand it the first event is at Bob's in Feb right? Cant wait! You guys will definitly be seeing me at the events, I just wish I had known about them a year ago!
3 sets of 3 runs on 3 different stages the last one being at night...
after the first 6 runs we had the BBQ's out (outside the pit area of course) before the night sections...there was a grandstand...not a straight section of the course so it was all about controling the car sideways!
competition was close...it was fantastic...[/QUOTE]
I am new to rallycross and as I understand it the first event is at Bob's in Feb right? Cant wait! You guys will definitly be seeing me at the events, I just wish I had known about them a year ago!
| limeylight | 12-19-2006 04:37 PM |
Yes and you are welcome to attend the whole series but as I am the chair for the first one I sincerely encourage you to attend that one. I will be posting more info here soon as well as on some of the other forums.
It seems just recently we have a achieved some sort of critical mass with our Detroit program as many more people are saying the same thing you did.
Here is a link to the "Official" Detroit RallyCross Yahoo group. I recommend you all join it. I am the moderator by the way.
[url]http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitRallyCross/[/url]
It seems just recently we have a achieved some sort of critical mass with our Detroit program as many more people are saying the same thing you did.
Here is a link to the "Official" Detroit RallyCross Yahoo group. I recommend you all join it. I am the moderator by the way.
[url]http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitRallyCross/[/url]
| Storz | 12-19-2006 05:34 PM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16379633]Yes and you are welcome to attend the whole series but as I am the chair for the first one I sincerely encourage you to attend that one. I will be posting more info here soon as well as on some of the other forums.
It seems just recently we have a achieved some sort of critical mass with our Detroit program as many more people are saying the same thing you did.
Here is a link to the "Official" Detroit RallyCross Yahoo group. I recommend you all join it. I am the moderator by the way.
[url]http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitRallyCross/[/url][/QUOTE]
Looking forward to the event, I stumbled across the Detroit site last week and joined up over there as well
It seems just recently we have a achieved some sort of critical mass with our Detroit program as many more people are saying the same thing you did.
Here is a link to the "Official" Detroit RallyCross Yahoo group. I recommend you all join it. I am the moderator by the way.
[url]http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DetroitRallyCross/[/url][/QUOTE]
Looking forward to the event, I stumbled across the Detroit site last week and joined up over there as well
| ROC pit-bull | 12-21-2006 04:17 AM |
perry's rally park should be considered also. Good spot for spectators, if anything breaks on your car there is a full garage at your disposal for free. Free beer after every event, (not during or before sorry)....
| Big C | 12-21-2006 07:14 AM |
[QUOTE=SlideWRX;16378685]Is this what you're looking for?[/QUOTE]
Sure is....I found the air hose and the bell before but they didn't list the air switch. I'll have to talk to our group again and see if they want to try this out. Thanks for the info.
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My previous concern with the rubber hose was what would happen when someone flew into the finish either locked up on the brakes, completely sideways/oc, or on the gas with massive wheelspeed. I wasn't too optimistic that even a HD hose would handle this repeatedly or that whatever anchor points on the side of the course wouldn't get wiped out (we have some real heroics at the finish despite a coned stop box).
My basic idea was to build a wooden channel that would house the hose with a top cover that would pinch the hose as you drove over it. Since our course is (was?) pretty permanent I was going to dig a shallow channel at start/finish and install the wooden device so that it was flush with the course. This would allow the use of an auto-x style start/stop and should be pretty hard to wipe out despite WRC level driving ;)
We will have to do some testing this winter and determine if the stop device is necessary and if so if we can make it work. If anyone has any better suggestions I'd like to hear them.
-Colin
Sure is....I found the air hose and the bell before but they didn't list the air switch. I'll have to talk to our group again and see if they want to try this out. Thanks for the info.
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My previous concern with the rubber hose was what would happen when someone flew into the finish either locked up on the brakes, completely sideways/oc, or on the gas with massive wheelspeed. I wasn't too optimistic that even a HD hose would handle this repeatedly or that whatever anchor points on the side of the course wouldn't get wiped out (we have some real heroics at the finish despite a coned stop box).
My basic idea was to build a wooden channel that would house the hose with a top cover that would pinch the hose as you drove over it. Since our course is (was?) pretty permanent I was going to dig a shallow channel at start/finish and install the wooden device so that it was flush with the course. This would allow the use of an auto-x style start/stop and should be pretty hard to wipe out despite WRC level driving ;)
We will have to do some testing this winter and determine if the stop device is necessary and if so if we can make it work. If anyone has any better suggestions I'd like to hear them.
-Colin
| limeylight | 12-21-2006 08:15 AM |
I am not familiar with technical aspects of our timing system but our timing and scoring people are very happy with how robust the system is despite the WRC driving you mentioned. Try it, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. In our last event we had zero reruns as far as I am aware.
| Recce01 | 12-22-2006 03:06 AM |
here is a video of GCRallyX [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1WhdgsXfk[/url]
| scoobdo | 12-24-2006 01:29 AM |
[QUOTE=limeylight;16276213]What is the best rallycross event you have ever attended and why?[/QUOTE]
For me it has to be at the Lydden race circuit in England. You can view 99% of the track from anywhere. Its a spectators dream! You can also troll through the pits and occasionaly chat with the drivers. There's nothing like standing 20 feet away from the Group A cars at the starting line accelerating away from you. I forget who's car stats I read about but they were quoting 0-60mph in 1.9 seconds...
Ex-works WRC cars without restrictions, you gotta love it!
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/uno-speedo/metro.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/uno-speedo/cosworth.jpg[/IMG]
Some videos I found:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqO6Z1BlXr8[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKjrdZERjtw[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDJzCKGNwzo[/url]
My fav: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtc97gYiIwA&mode=related&search=[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKqOxnxcwI&mode=related&search=[/url]
For me it has to be at the Lydden race circuit in England. You can view 99% of the track from anywhere. Its a spectators dream! You can also troll through the pits and occasionaly chat with the drivers. There's nothing like standing 20 feet away from the Group A cars at the starting line accelerating away from you. I forget who's car stats I read about but they were quoting 0-60mph in 1.9 seconds...
Ex-works WRC cars without restrictions, you gotta love it!
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/uno-speedo/metro.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/uno-speedo/cosworth.jpg[/IMG]
Some videos I found:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqO6Z1BlXr8[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKjrdZERjtw[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDJzCKGNwzo[/url]
My fav: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtc97gYiIwA&mode=related&search=[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKqOxnxcwI&mode=related&search=[/url]
| limeylight | 12-24-2006 09:25 AM |
REAL Rallycross. Oh Yeh,
I used to watch this on the telly when there was no Group B stuff to be found.
Awesome stuff.
One day. One day.
I used to watch this on the telly when there was no Group B stuff to be found.
Awesome stuff.
One day. One day.
| Hondaslayer | 12-24-2006 11:43 AM |
Holy ****!! now that's a turbo!
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