| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 08:32 PM |
Is brand name worth the money?
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I was looking on e-bay for a 3-inch exhaust system and i saw a "Greddy Style" catback for much cheaper than the true Greddy exhaust yet it is made of the same T-304 stainless steel and claims to have the same quality. Is there really a difference, or do you just pay extra for the name on the muffler? If you beleive in brand name, then which one?? (I don't have a ton of money to spend but i want a nice exhaust) Thanks!!
| DeKaP | 02-20-2006 08:47 PM |
you get what you pay for, biggest problem is fitment issues
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 08:52 PM |
i agree, you get what you pay for...but how much should you have to spend to get a good quality exhaust??
| LivyathanZero | 02-20-2006 08:54 PM |
if you're wanting cheap but decent stuff heck out Helix. around 700-800 for full 3" turbo back and sounds great
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 09:09 PM |
with some things it doesn't matter all that much.
air fresheners- not a big deal.
hood scoop splitters- not a biggie.
radiator shrouds- again, not a big deal.
but with something like an exhaust and muffler, there is a huge difference. the sound, mainly, will be completely different due to the acoustics changing from the different designs, materials, and processes of production.
unless you're looking for a cheap product(crappier sound, performance, fitment, etc), don't buy one.
air fresheners- not a big deal.
hood scoop splitters- not a biggie.
radiator shrouds- again, not a big deal.
but with something like an exhaust and muffler, there is a huge difference. the sound, mainly, will be completely different due to the acoustics changing from the different designs, materials, and processes of production.
unless you're looking for a cheap product(crappier sound, performance, fitment, etc), don't buy one.
| Mr. Sadface | 02-20-2006 09:12 PM |
Brand name companies have the ability to drop more $$$ into R&D...
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 09:14 PM |
so what brand name would you guys suggest?
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 09:15 PM |
more importantly they have a reputation to uphold.
customer service and product reliability/quality control are actual concerns rather than just concepts to brand name companies.
customer service and product reliability/quality control are actual concerns rather than just concepts to brand name companies.
| subie freak | 02-20-2006 09:16 PM |
what u pay is what u get. cheap parts in the end will only come back and bite u.
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 09:16 PM |
helix is GREAT bang for the buck. and they're great in general.
RS*R, JIC, FUJITSUBO and TXS are good too.
depends on what you're looking for though...
RS*R, JIC, FUJITSUBO and TXS are good too.
depends on what you're looking for though...
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 09:20 PM |
I don't want a high pitched exhaust...which i have a wrx so it will have that rumble to it anyway...but i like a loud deep sound. I want to turn heads when i drive by!
| subie freak | 02-20-2006 09:21 PM |
i heard that u will have to cut the fujitsubo exhaust cause it won't fit the rex's here in north america. ppl keep telling me that their exhaust is a little longer than the ones here.
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 09:23 PM |
i also am not a fan of the angled out tip...i know HKS is like that
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 09:31 PM |
in that case- check out
perrin, bosal, stromung and cobb
perrin, bosal, stromung and cobb
| subie freak | 02-20-2006 09:33 PM |
i personally like the hks one. but to each their own. as long as u are happy with the mod.
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 09:46 PM |
Well i have only seen the angle tip on riced out ghetto cars...i'm sure i looks awesome on a wrx, i have just never had a chance to see it in person
| smooth_ej20 | 02-20-2006 09:51 PM |
i have the Fujitsubo Legalis super R. Great sound, never above 93db and has a nice deep throaty rumble to it. I have the JDM version which is longet than USDM versions so you would need a JDM DP. they make them in U.S. versions now. they're not cheap though, about $750 for just the ex and shipping is expensive as hell because its a 1-piece design. check out [url]www.ravspec.com[/url] for more details
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 09:53 PM |
thanks!! :)
| evilimpdrvr | 02-20-2006 09:55 PM |
I have an ERZ up and down pipe. That is an ebay brand. I have HAD no performance problems but, did have to extend the mounting hole for the bracket that bolts to the tranny about 1/4in. NO BIGGIE. I've had guys w/ helix, perrin and other name brands ride in my car and say there impressed w/ the performance of it.
AS for cat back. I wouldn't doubt you'll have a real big fitment problem, but you don't know what kind of sound you'll get I've read a lot of post from people who run the ERZ up & dp's but i haven't seen a lot about people running ebay catbacks. theres a reason for that.
AS for cat back. I wouldn't doubt you'll have a real big fitment problem, but you don't know what kind of sound you'll get I've read a lot of post from people who run the ERZ up & dp's but i haven't seen a lot about people running ebay catbacks. theres a reason for that.
| UndertoW101 | 02-20-2006 09:57 PM |
Check out Megan full TBE....good price and good fitment
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 10:00 PM |
how does the Megan sound? Do you get any check engine lights with turbo back systems??
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE=ChickBee21]Well i have only seen the angle tip on riced out ghetto cars...i'm sure i looks awesome on a wrx, i have just never had a chance to see it in person[/QUOTE]
i hate to nitpick but this is a really freaking stereotypical and ignorant statement.
maybe you've only seen it on 'riced out ghetto' cars but if you actually took the time to learn the origin history and function of angled canister exhausts, you might understand it. if you want a straight muffler that's not angled, that's fine too... just don't knock something because of your(obviously limited) experience with it.
all the cars I see with N1 canisters have stock pipes with the muffler welded on so it's angled down... NOT how they were designed/intended to be used- that's still no excuse to hold such a disdain for any muffler that's angled.
[QUOTE=ChickBee21]how does the Megan sound? Do you get any check engine lights with turbo back systems??[/QUOTE]
as for megan and CELs...
megan is the exception to the ebay rule- they make great sounding exhausts and if you get them from a registered dealer, they have fairly good customer service. quality on these is probably the best on no-name ebays(which is why they have a name, Megan Racing.) MR is a chinese company, they have replica products and capitalize on other companies' research and design. that doesn't diminish the fact that their retailers usually provide good customer service and if you have a complaint or problem, they will usually take good care of you- great bang for the buck, but they are REPLICA parts and you need to be okay with your money going to people who are only in it to make a buck and offer a more affordable product... not bad, but it's a choice you have to make. it's bad for our economy but the exhaust will sound great and as long as no one sees the "megan" emblem, it'll look good too:lol:
turbobacks will ALWAYS have the possibility of a check engine light. there is a fix(mechanical fixes and electrical fixes) that you can install to get rid of it, but since the turboback systems always have cats moved or removed, sometimes replaced... the sensors WON'T be experiencing what they're calibrated for.
on a tangent... DON'T RUN CATLESS because if my kids have to breathe your fumes in the future I will punch your lungs out.
i hate to nitpick but this is a really freaking stereotypical and ignorant statement.
maybe you've only seen it on 'riced out ghetto' cars but if you actually took the time to learn the origin history and function of angled canister exhausts, you might understand it. if you want a straight muffler that's not angled, that's fine too... just don't knock something because of your(obviously limited) experience with it.
all the cars I see with N1 canisters have stock pipes with the muffler welded on so it's angled down... NOT how they were designed/intended to be used- that's still no excuse to hold such a disdain for any muffler that's angled.
[QUOTE=ChickBee21]how does the Megan sound? Do you get any check engine lights with turbo back systems??[/QUOTE]
as for megan and CELs...
megan is the exception to the ebay rule- they make great sounding exhausts and if you get them from a registered dealer, they have fairly good customer service. quality on these is probably the best on no-name ebays(which is why they have a name, Megan Racing.) MR is a chinese company, they have replica products and capitalize on other companies' research and design. that doesn't diminish the fact that their retailers usually provide good customer service and if you have a complaint or problem, they will usually take good care of you- great bang for the buck, but they are REPLICA parts and you need to be okay with your money going to people who are only in it to make a buck and offer a more affordable product... not bad, but it's a choice you have to make. it's bad for our economy but the exhaust will sound great and as long as no one sees the "megan" emblem, it'll look good too:lol:
turbobacks will ALWAYS have the possibility of a check engine light. there is a fix(mechanical fixes and electrical fixes) that you can install to get rid of it, but since the turboback systems always have cats moved or removed, sometimes replaced... the sensors WON'T be experiencing what they're calibrated for.
on a tangent... DON'T RUN CATLESS because if my kids have to breathe your fumes in the future I will punch your lungs out.
| ChickBee21 | 02-20-2006 10:11 PM |
wow sorry if what i said offended you or pissed you off i was just saying that is how people are around my town and i don't like it..you do'nt have to be rude
| evilimpdrvr | 02-20-2006 10:17 PM |
[QUOTE=Handsdown]
on a tangent... DON'T RUN CATLESS because if my kids have to breathe your fumes in the future I will punch your lungs out.[/QUOTE]
I'm running catless. I'M EVIL MUAHHAAAAAA. and yes I have an 15 month old daughter but i'm still going to run catless. MUAAHHHHAAAAA
on a tangent... DON'T RUN CATLESS because if my kids have to breathe your fumes in the future I will punch your lungs out.[/QUOTE]
I'm running catless. I'M EVIL MUAHHAAAAAA. and yes I have an 15 month old daughter but i'm still going to run catless. MUAAHHHHAAAAA
| Ben Crowson | 02-20-2006 11:10 PM |
[QUOTE=evilimpdrvr]I'm running catless. I'M EVIL MUAHHAAAAAA. and yes I have an 15 month old daughter but i'm still going to run catless. MUAAHHHHAAAAA[/QUOTE]
Nothing wrong with catless- do some scientific research and you will find that at temperature with a good tune a catless car can be just as efficient/enviornmentally friendly as a car with cats!
Nothing wrong with catless- do some scientific research and you will find that at temperature with a good tune a catless car can be just as efficient/enviornmentally friendly as a car with cats!
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 11:15 PM |
yeah if you never let off throttle:rolleyes: i'd like to see this scientific research.
| Handsdown | 02-20-2006 11:16 PM |
[QUOTE=ChickBee21]wow sorry if what i said offended you or pissed you off i was just saying that is how people are around my town and i don't like it..you do'nt have to be rude[/QUOTE]
how was i rude? you generalized, i corrected that.
how was i rude? you generalized, i corrected that.
| ChickBee21 | 02-21-2006 12:01 AM |
i said that i have only seen the angle tip on riced out cars i never said that having the angle tip makes the car ghetto
| ChickBee21 | 02-21-2006 12:02 AM |
on a tangent... DON'T RUN CATLESS because if my kids have to breathe your fumes in the future I will punch your lungs out.[/QUOTE]
You don't think that's rude???
You don't think that's rude???
| UndertoW101 | 02-21-2006 12:45 AM |
check out this threaD
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899308[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=899308[/url]
| Handsdown | 02-21-2006 12:50 AM |
that was on a tangent, not in response to anything you said:lol: sorry if you felt i was being rude but i'm serious- running catless is not okay and if you think it's fine to run catless on public roads, you deserve to be punched in the lungs. i don't want to have to breathe carbon monoxide just because you happen to take off from a stoplight while i'm crossing the street. if you don't respect other's wellbeing and comfort just so you can get 5 more HP on your way to McDonalds, well- tell your lungs I'll be waiting for them.
and you said "Well i have only seen the angle tip on riced out ghetto cars..." which sounds to me like you equate the two, and some of the most expensive exhausts you can buy are angled tip- full titanium fujitsubo and full titanium E46 m3 exhausts being a few of them.
sorry to flame but if you're going to ask for advice and then start talking about how the REAL exhausts are rice and ghetto when you're talking about some ebay $200 greddy knockoff- well... excuse me but you should have seen that coming.
and you said "Well i have only seen the angle tip on riced out ghetto cars..." which sounds to me like you equate the two, and some of the most expensive exhausts you can buy are angled tip- full titanium fujitsubo and full titanium E46 m3 exhausts being a few of them.
sorry to flame but if you're going to ask for advice and then start talking about how the REAL exhausts are rice and ghetto when you're talking about some ebay $200 greddy knockoff- well... excuse me but you should have seen that coming.
| Ben Crowson | 02-21-2006 01:19 AM |
[QUOTE=Handsdown]yeah if you never let off throttle:rolleyes: i'd like to see this scientific research.[/QUOTE]
Research article on catalytic converters and pollution:
[url]http://www.lcc.ukf.net/kskills/catconv.htm[/url]
[B]Viper forum: On the topic of "hi-flow" cats. Has any one of you ever done any emmisions testing on these? Do you just assume they don't pollute any worse than stock cats? Maybe something middleroad? That's hypocritic right there. Well, I have done some testing, albeit on a non-Viper. The high-flow cat in question was the Randon Technology brand. The first and the best rated. The car passed emmisions in stock trim/stock exhaust. The car failed miserably in modified form and Random Technology high flow cat. But hey it passed the visual test! With no cats, the car passed emmisions. With no cats and proper fuel tuning, the modified car had cleaner emmisions than the stock car. The theory on the high flow cat was that it didn't get hot enough to provide any catalyst function and wound up simply being a restiction. Proper maintenance and fuel tuning is by far a greater key to emmisions than any catalytic converter. Catalytic converters over 5 years in age have been shown to do more harm than good. Next time you get behind that barely running '84 Monte Carlo with the smoke screen billowing out the back that everyone is avoiding, ask him if he removed his cats for performance. Chances are they're still intact.[/B]
The fact is everything pollutes - cats or no cats and I know for a fact a well tuned catless wrx can easily pass emissions testing and is way more enviornmentally friendly that trucks/suv's and older cars -
So to the idiot that wants to punch everyones lungs out for running catless you better attack all the old ****ty, poorly tuned cars and suv's on the road before you talk crap about brand new suby's removing cats!
Research article on catalytic converters and pollution:
[url]http://www.lcc.ukf.net/kskills/catconv.htm[/url]
[B]Viper forum: On the topic of "hi-flow" cats. Has any one of you ever done any emmisions testing on these? Do you just assume they don't pollute any worse than stock cats? Maybe something middleroad? That's hypocritic right there. Well, I have done some testing, albeit on a non-Viper. The high-flow cat in question was the Randon Technology brand. The first and the best rated. The car passed emmisions in stock trim/stock exhaust. The car failed miserably in modified form and Random Technology high flow cat. But hey it passed the visual test! With no cats, the car passed emmisions. With no cats and proper fuel tuning, the modified car had cleaner emmisions than the stock car. The theory on the high flow cat was that it didn't get hot enough to provide any catalyst function and wound up simply being a restiction. Proper maintenance and fuel tuning is by far a greater key to emmisions than any catalytic converter. Catalytic converters over 5 years in age have been shown to do more harm than good. Next time you get behind that barely running '84 Monte Carlo with the smoke screen billowing out the back that everyone is avoiding, ask him if he removed his cats for performance. Chances are they're still intact.[/B]
The fact is everything pollutes - cats or no cats and I know for a fact a well tuned catless wrx can easily pass emissions testing and is way more enviornmentally friendly that trucks/suv's and older cars -
So to the idiot that wants to punch everyones lungs out for running catless you better attack all the old ****ty, poorly tuned cars and suv's on the road before you talk crap about brand new suby's removing cats!
| AudiTTkiller | 02-21-2006 01:29 AM |
exaust brand names are bs- i have a full ebay tbe - no fitment issues- lol go buy that fujitsubo exaust for like 2000
| Handsdown | 02-21-2006 01:59 AM |
how many people are actually going to buy the software/hardware/tuning work to "properly tune"(exact AFRs at all revs/throttle positions) to make the car cleaner than with cats?
NOBODY. they're just going to run catless pipes and dump hydrocarbons everywhere. plus, i have to smell your nasty gas because there's no cat to clean up the fumes.
i'm sorry, but the argument that cats are useless because they CAN be just as dirty as a properly tuned catless system is just ridiculous. even then, you're simply NOT going to burn 100% of the fuel 100% of the time and there will always be hydrocarbons that CAN be converted if they are intercepted properly. the stock system can be trusted to do that to an acceptable level- your hypothetical "magic tune" can't.
NOBODY. they're just going to run catless pipes and dump hydrocarbons everywhere. plus, i have to smell your nasty gas because there's no cat to clean up the fumes.
i'm sorry, but the argument that cats are useless because they CAN be just as dirty as a properly tuned catless system is just ridiculous. even then, you're simply NOT going to burn 100% of the fuel 100% of the time and there will always be hydrocarbons that CAN be converted if they are intercepted properly. the stock system can be trusted to do that to an acceptable level- your hypothetical "magic tune" can't.
| Ben Crowson | 02-21-2006 03:16 AM |
[QUOTE=Handsdown]how many people are actually going to buy the software/hardware/tuning work to "properly tune"(exact AFRs at all revs/throttle positions) to make the car cleaner than with cats?
NOBODY. they're just going to run catless pipes and dump hydrocarbons everywhere. plus, i have to smell your nasty gas because there's no cat to clean up the fumes.
i'm sorry, but the argument that cats are useless because they CAN be just as dirty as a properly tuned catless system is just ridiculous. even then, you're simply NOT going to burn 100% of the fuel 100% of the time and there will always be hydrocarbons that CAN be converted if they are intercepted properly. the stock system can be trusted to do that to an acceptable level- your hypothetical "magic tune" can't.[/QUOTE]
Well all i am saying is the emission output/damage to the enviornment is not going to be that much different between cats/no cats on a PROPERLY tuned new car- bottom line- especially if both pass emissions.......there are much greater evils out there than 2002+ cars running catless.....e.g. any OLDER car!
Wow- you make it sound like cats make your exhaust smell like pumpkin pie or something
Sounds like you need to buy a honda hybrid- You should be taking your hatin out on suv's etc is all I am sayin.........A better than stock tune improves gas mileage......as many people with reflashes etc can attest too so it cant be all bad. Less gas.......less hydrocarbons.....blah blah
NOBODY. they're just going to run catless pipes and dump hydrocarbons everywhere. plus, i have to smell your nasty gas because there's no cat to clean up the fumes.
i'm sorry, but the argument that cats are useless because they CAN be just as dirty as a properly tuned catless system is just ridiculous. even then, you're simply NOT going to burn 100% of the fuel 100% of the time and there will always be hydrocarbons that CAN be converted if they are intercepted properly. the stock system can be trusted to do that to an acceptable level- your hypothetical "magic tune" can't.[/QUOTE]
Well all i am saying is the emission output/damage to the enviornment is not going to be that much different between cats/no cats on a PROPERLY tuned new car- bottom line- especially if both pass emissions.......there are much greater evils out there than 2002+ cars running catless.....e.g. any OLDER car!
Wow- you make it sound like cats make your exhaust smell like pumpkin pie or something
Sounds like you need to buy a honda hybrid- You should be taking your hatin out on suv's etc is all I am sayin.........A better than stock tune improves gas mileage......as many people with reflashes etc can attest too so it cant be all bad. Less gas.......less hydrocarbons.....blah blah
| sovietjet | 02-21-2006 03:23 AM |
[QUOTE=LivyathanZero]if you're wanting cheap but decent stuff heck out Helix. around 700-800 for full 3" turbo back and sounds great[/QUOTE]
:eek: :eek: You call that cheap? It's just a pipe.
Either way get Megan they are cheap and good. You wont spend more than $400-450 for a Megan TBE.
:eek: :eek: You call that cheap? It's just a pipe.
Either way get Megan they are cheap and good. You wont spend more than $400-450 for a Megan TBE.
| WRXSleeper | 02-21-2006 08:08 AM |
At this point there is not much R&D to making a 3inch exhaust for a WRX since all the knock-off companies are doing is copying what the others have already done. The differences will be consistent fit & finish, pleasing sound, quality metals, quality of muffler design. How many people have owned a ERZ or other knock off catback for 3+ years? I would venture to guess that a name brand system will hold up much better if that's what you care about.
| J-Rex2004 | 02-21-2006 09:01 AM |
[QUOTE=Ben Crowson][B]..there are much greater evils out there than 2002+ cars running catless.....e.g. any OLDER car![/B][/QUOTE]
Not true. Case in point, Hot Rod magazine or someone like them bought a 68 camaro that was going to be crushed because "old cars are dirty". Guess what, they took it to a licenced garage and it passed emissions...in California.
Not true. Case in point, Hot Rod magazine or someone like them bought a 68 camaro that was going to be crushed because "old cars are dirty". Guess what, they took it to a licenced garage and it passed emissions...in California.
| mrjasey | 02-21-2006 09:26 AM |
i havent bought an exhaust for my subie but when i had my 92 gsr integra i had an ebay exhaust and then i got a thermal for cheap. the biggest difference was fitment. the ebay exhaust hangers werent located in the PERFECT spot so soemtimes the exhaust would hit the rsb. the Thermal R&D exhaust fit PERFECT. also the ebay one had a random bottle neck above the rear lower control arm for soem reason.
if i were you i'd just get a used brand name exhaust. they are pretty cheap used.
if i were you i'd just get a used brand name exhaust. they are pretty cheap used.
| speedracer500 | 02-21-2006 09:32 AM |
Hey ChickBee21 you have a PM!
| BraveUlysses | 02-21-2006 12:11 PM |
[QUOTE=J-Rex2004]Not true. Case in point, Hot Rod magazine or someone like them bought a 68 camaro that was going to be crushed because "old cars are dirty". Guess what, they took it to a licenced garage and it passed emissions...in California.[/QUOTE]
Cars are only held to the emission standards of they day they were produced, so there's no difficulty in making a catless 68 camaro pass emissions by performing basic ignition and fueling maintence.
As for this "well-tuned cars don't pollute" bulls**t, why do you think that OEMs spend so much time, money and personell resources into designing catalytic converter systems (which amount to 1/3 to 1/2 of the total cost of a powerplant on a per-car basis) if they could just TUNE IT to run magically with more power and lower emissions? :rolleyes:
Its not fair or proper to expect older cars to meet modern emission standards--the cost and logistics are unreasonable to expect or make them do so. Light trucks and SUVs however, have become loopholes for manufacturers to sell cheap vehicles with large profit margins because they're unsophisticated (compared to a car) and have looser emission standards.
Cars are only held to the emission standards of they day they were produced, so there's no difficulty in making a catless 68 camaro pass emissions by performing basic ignition and fueling maintence.
As for this "well-tuned cars don't pollute" bulls**t, why do you think that OEMs spend so much time, money and personell resources into designing catalytic converter systems (which amount to 1/3 to 1/2 of the total cost of a powerplant on a per-car basis) if they could just TUNE IT to run magically with more power and lower emissions? :rolleyes:
Its not fair or proper to expect older cars to meet modern emission standards--the cost and logistics are unreasonable to expect or make them do so. Light trucks and SUVs however, have become loopholes for manufacturers to sell cheap vehicles with large profit margins because they're unsophisticated (compared to a car) and have looser emission standards.
| RenegadeWRX | 02-21-2006 03:55 PM |
Save your money and get a good exhaust. There are a few good ones out there. I personally have a Perrin TB with downpipe and uppipe. Big difference from stock to this. If you like sound, Perrin sounds great. Don't worry about sound though. Worry about performance and fitment. My Perrin exhaust went in place without any worries and it was an easy install. Check out different sites to see what they have and compare prices. Call them too because they might sell it to you cheaper than what they advertise it for.
| Ben Crowson | 02-21-2006 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=BraveUlysses]Cars are only held to the emission standards of they day they were produced, so there's no difficulty in making a catless 68 camaro pass emissions by performing basic ignition and fueling maintence.
As for this "well-tuned cars don't pollute" bulls**t, why do you think that OEMs spend so much time, money and personell resources into designing catalytic converter systems (which amount to 1/3 to 1/2 of the total cost of a powerplant on a per-car basis) if they could just TUNE IT to run magically with more power and lower emissions? :rolleyes:
Its not fair or proper to expect older cars to meet modern emission standards--the cost and logistics are unreasonable to expect or make them do so. Light trucks and SUVs however, have become loopholes for manufacturers to sell cheap vehicles with large profit margins because they're unsophisticated (compared to a car) and have looser emission standards.[/QUOTE]
Never said well tuned cars dont pollute!!!- not sure where you are pulling this info from! Read the post and look at some comparative anaylysis of emissions on the web- I am saying that catless wrx's can pass emissions no prob and therefore are not evil baby killers like some people would have you think.
As for this "well-tuned cars don't pollute" bulls**t, why do you think that OEMs spend so much time, money and personell resources into designing catalytic converter systems (which amount to 1/3 to 1/2 of the total cost of a powerplant on a per-car basis) if they could just TUNE IT to run magically with more power and lower emissions? :rolleyes:
Its not fair or proper to expect older cars to meet modern emission standards--the cost and logistics are unreasonable to expect or make them do so. Light trucks and SUVs however, have become loopholes for manufacturers to sell cheap vehicles with large profit margins because they're unsophisticated (compared to a car) and have looser emission standards.[/QUOTE]
Never said well tuned cars dont pollute!!!- not sure where you are pulling this info from! Read the post and look at some comparative anaylysis of emissions on the web- I am saying that catless wrx's can pass emissions no prob and therefore are not evil baby killers like some people would have you think.
| coolblue05 | 02-21-2006 04:54 PM |
Based on my experience, ARC, Cusco, TurboXS, and Cobb are all good "name brands" and are well worth every penny spent.
| ChickBee21 | 02-21-2006 10:28 PM |
Thanks everyone for your advice!!!
| pudnana | 02-21-2006 10:45 PM |
[QUOTE=DeKaP]you get what you pay for, biggest problem is fitment issues[/QUOTE]
This is usually said by people that pay too much for items. I'm not saying that quality doesn't come with a price. If you do some research and check out some of the part reviews on this site, you'll find that a lot of people are very happy with the "ebay exhausts" and "ebay intercoolers." I can't speak from any fact, but I think most of the people that bash this kind of stuff never tried it or knew one person that had a bad experience. I relate this to TV's. I bought a 27 inch Toshiba tv about 8 years ago and its still working to this day. My grandmother bought a 27 inch Sony that was about 200 or 300 dollars more and it blew up with in a few weeks. Got a replacement, and it also blew up. So, who got what they paid for there?
Do some research, find a good dealer and buy what you like.
Thats my 2 cents.
This is usually said by people that pay too much for items. I'm not saying that quality doesn't come with a price. If you do some research and check out some of the part reviews on this site, you'll find that a lot of people are very happy with the "ebay exhausts" and "ebay intercoolers." I can't speak from any fact, but I think most of the people that bash this kind of stuff never tried it or knew one person that had a bad experience. I relate this to TV's. I bought a 27 inch Toshiba tv about 8 years ago and its still working to this day. My grandmother bought a 27 inch Sony that was about 200 or 300 dollars more and it blew up with in a few weeks. Got a replacement, and it also blew up. So, who got what they paid for there?
Do some research, find a good dealer and buy what you like.
Thats my 2 cents.
| pudnana | 02-21-2006 10:47 PM |
[QUOTE=Handsdown]how many people are actually going to buy the software/hardware/tuning work to "properly tune"(exact AFRs at all revs/throttle positions) to make the car cleaner than with cats?
NOBODY. they're just going to run catless pipes and dump hydrocarbons everywhere. plus, i have to smell your nasty gas because there's no cat to clean up the fumes.
i'm sorry, but the argument that cats are useless because they CAN be just as dirty as a properly tuned catless system is just ridiculous. even then, you're simply NOT going to burn 100% of the fuel 100% of the time and there will always be hydrocarbons that CAN be converted if they are intercepted properly. the stock system can be trusted to do that to an acceptable level- your hypothetical "magic tune" can't.[/QUOTE]
I can put my catless stage 2 car on a machine and check the hydrocarbons if anybody wants. It will take a while, I'd have to drive 150 miles to Phoenix.
NOBODY. they're just going to run catless pipes and dump hydrocarbons everywhere. plus, i have to smell your nasty gas because there's no cat to clean up the fumes.
i'm sorry, but the argument that cats are useless because they CAN be just as dirty as a properly tuned catless system is just ridiculous. even then, you're simply NOT going to burn 100% of the fuel 100% of the time and there will always be hydrocarbons that CAN be converted if they are intercepted properly. the stock system can be trusted to do that to an acceptable level- your hypothetical "magic tune" can't.[/QUOTE]
I can put my catless stage 2 car on a machine and check the hydrocarbons if anybody wants. It will take a while, I'd have to drive 150 miles to Phoenix.
| Handsdown | 02-21-2006 10:52 PM |
that would be kind of useless unless you were to then put the stock system back on and get readings from both on the same machine with the same gas...
otherwise i wouldn't even bother.
otherwise i wouldn't even bother.
| abaxter34 | 02-21-2006 11:01 PM |
[QUOTE=AudiTTkiller]exaust brand names are bs- i have a full ebay tbe - no fitment issues- lol go buy that fujitsubo exaust for like 2000[/QUOTE]
agreed. pay more for the brand names, suckers.
for less than the cost of a complete name brand catback i bought a miller mig welder, muffler, piping, and mandrel bent U-bends and built my own exhaust. not only do i now have an exhaust that flows every bit as well as the name brand systems, i have a welder to take on numerous other projects with. spending txs, jic, stromung etc. kind of money just to have a tube that runs from the front of your car to the back is plain stupid.
agreed. pay more for the brand names, suckers.
for less than the cost of a complete name brand catback i bought a miller mig welder, muffler, piping, and mandrel bent U-bends and built my own exhaust. not only do i now have an exhaust that flows every bit as well as the name brand systems, i have a welder to take on numerous other projects with. spending txs, jic, stromung etc. kind of money just to have a tube that runs from the front of your car to the back is plain stupid.
| veightkiller | 02-22-2006 01:15 AM |
it depends on which parts your getting..like this guy said ^^^^ if you can built your own then do it so you wont have to run into some kind of fitment issue's.why not get a used and branded one?it's just an exhuast anyways? it's not a big deal that you really need to purchase a brand new one.
slightly used branded exhuast = $100
brand new ebay stuff = $100
i'd go with the used one..just my .02
slightly used branded exhuast = $100
brand new ebay stuff = $100
i'd go with the used one..just my .02
| rally_on | 02-22-2006 01:30 AM |
[B]ss auto crome[/B] makes good parts for cheap i've heard. pretty much any after market exhaust will sound the same IMO. so why not get a less expensive one and have some left over money for some other parts too :)
| Italiano | 02-23-2006 01:55 PM |
Hey Chicky...take a look at this link:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=939183[/url]
Daddy's is fairly local to us: Mass I have bought from him before, decent prices too
You know the deal ....feel free to ask me if you have any doubts/concerns
--Don't worry about the wolves ;)
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=939183[/url]
Daddy's is fairly local to us: Mass I have bought from him before, decent prices too
You know the deal ....feel free to ask me if you have any doubts/concerns
--Don't worry about the wolves ;)
| johnnyb | 02-23-2006 02:13 PM |
You have an 02', so if you want brand name for less, buy used. There is a used 02/03 part for every area of your car. If you buy a used uppipe, what is the difference? It's a hunk of metal. Maybe the inside has a little carbon builbup, but other than that, it's the same part, with the same performance as new.
I have bought used Whiteline, Helix, Prodrive, JDM STI, and OEM Subie parts off NASIOC. Most parts were like new for half the price. Is there really a huge difference? Maybe when it comes to a used axleback with 100K miles on it, but other than that, you will usually find a deal.
I think it matters to a lot of people that they are buying brand name. So when you buy brand name you can re-sell the item a lot easier. That is one reason I buy brand name.
I buy from Nasioc vendors for the rest of my needs.
I have bought used Whiteline, Helix, Prodrive, JDM STI, and OEM Subie parts off NASIOC. Most parts were like new for half the price. Is there really a huge difference? Maybe when it comes to a used axleback with 100K miles on it, but other than that, you will usually find a deal.
I think it matters to a lot of people that they are buying brand name. So when you buy brand name you can re-sell the item a lot easier. That is one reason I buy brand name.
I buy from Nasioc vendors for the rest of my needs.
| ATX25RS | 02-23-2006 04:06 PM |
name brands are rip offs. most companies are just rebadging other brands.
i would go with something like obx if not meagan.
obx stuff = cobb stuff = stromung stuff
i would go with something like obx if not meagan.
obx stuff = cobb stuff = stromung stuff
| kenzo415 | 03-18-2006 01:51 AM |
Just bought Greddy Style Catback from ebay.
Installed it today, by far easiest install I have ever done. Took me an hour with 2 jacks.
Sounds amazing, and I definitally got gains. It's night and day compared to the stock catback. Stage 2 definitally was meant for a full turbo back exhaust.
Wouldn't want any other exhaust for 250 or more.
Installed it today, by far easiest install I have ever done. Took me an hour with 2 jacks.
Sounds amazing, and I definitally got gains. It's night and day compared to the stock catback. Stage 2 definitally was meant for a full turbo back exhaust.
Wouldn't want any other exhaust for 250 or more.
| bluejdmWRX | 03-18-2006 04:41 PM |
greddy evo2
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i have a greddy evo2 exhaust and it sounds great..you hear that boxer engine noise than hearing that crappy bb's in a can sound naw mean!? haha..but my opinion is if your dishin out a grip of money..your pretty much payin for the name on the product! you can buy a good quality exhaust and not have to spend that much and just be sure to tune your car or have somebody tune it..
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