| skuttledude | 08-02-2005 03:32 PM |
Barichello out, Massa in, & other F1 hot seats
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Rubens Barrichello will leave Ferrari at the end of the current Formula One season, the Italian team said Tuesday.
Barrichello's place as number two driver to Michael Schumacher will be taken by fellow Brazilian Felipe Massa.
"Rubens Barrichello will leave Ferrari at the end of the 2005 season, bringing to an end a fruitful and successful collaboration that started in 2000 and helped bring us five constructors' championships," said a statement posted on Ferrari's official website.
Barrichello, 33, is being widely tipped to replace Takuma Sato at BAR Honda next season to partner Jensen Button.
Speaking on Sunday after the Hungarian Grand Prix, BAR sporting director Gil de Ferran, a close friend of Barrichello's, hinted the Brazilian was a target. "I think Rubens is a very good driver but we have no comment about the driver line-up for next year yet," he said.
Barrichello's place as number two driver to Michael Schumacher will be taken by fellow Brazilian Felipe Massa.
"Rubens Barrichello will leave Ferrari at the end of the 2005 season, bringing to an end a fruitful and successful collaboration that started in 2000 and helped bring us five constructors' championships," said a statement posted on Ferrari's official website.
Barrichello, 33, is being widely tipped to replace Takuma Sato at BAR Honda next season to partner Jensen Button.
Speaking on Sunday after the Hungarian Grand Prix, BAR sporting director Gil de Ferran, a close friend of Barrichello's, hinted the Brazilian was a target. "I think Rubens is a very good driver but we have no comment about the driver line-up for next year yet," he said.
| bemani | 08-02-2005 04:38 PM |
Now BAR just needs to bring in Anthony Davidson.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 08-02-2005 05:10 PM |
Wow, I'd say Rubens is probably the mos popular and loved driver in the paddock and beyond.
Ferrari is goin downhill.
Phillipe is good but cmon.
Ferrari is goin downhill.
Phillipe is good but cmon.
| skuttledude | 08-02-2005 05:20 PM |
I'll be sad to see Reubens go. He's the last of the Brazillian generation of Senna era. A great driver and can't really fault him for not wanting to be the #2 guy anymore. Neverknow, maybe he'll kick arse in another team.
| artkevin | 08-02-2005 05:24 PM |
He'll be number two at BAR too if Button stays with as hard as they are fighting to keep him.
Massa is good and I think he will be great. He has matured amazingly well since his 1 season at Suaber and I think he is only getting better. When was the last time we saw him throw the car away? When was the last time JV beat him?
Massa is good and I think he will be great. He has matured amazingly well since his 1 season at Suaber and I think he is only getting better. When was the last time we saw him throw the car away? When was the last time JV beat him?
| tecnic1 | 08-02-2005 08:45 PM |
massa at ferrari is terrific news.
I'm expecting to see two former sauber drivers in ferraris in 2008
I'm expecting to see two former sauber drivers in ferraris in 2008
| iamrazor | 08-02-2005 08:48 PM |
saw that coming.
they've been grooming Massa for a few years now.
they need a youngin' to learn and take over for MSC.
they've been grooming Massa for a few years now.
they need a youngin' to learn and take over for MSC.
| artkevin | 08-02-2005 09:04 PM |
[QUOTE=tecnic1]massa at ferrari is terrific news.
I'm expecting to see two former sauber drivers in ferraris in 2008[/QUOTE]
Um, whose the other? Heidfeld, Fisi, JV or someone else? Maybe Kimi.
I'm expecting to see two former sauber drivers in ferraris in 2008[/QUOTE]
Um, whose the other? Heidfeld, Fisi, JV or someone else? Maybe Kimi.
| SolbergWRCfan | 08-02-2005 10:44 PM |
Kimi would be my guess, but I also would guess that McLaren will fight pretty hard to keep him. Nick Heidfeld does deserve a good seat as he has been waxing Webber like a drive through car wash.
Jon
PS: I think Massa will do well, but who knows???
Jon
PS: I think Massa will do well, but who knows???
| MattDell | 08-02-2005 11:07 PM |
NOOOOOO!!! Not Sato!
Give Button to Williams, KEEP SATO!
Give Button to Williams, KEEP SATO!
| bemani | 08-02-2005 11:37 PM |
Sato's had his chance and he blew it. Time for someone less 'entertaining' :)
| MattDell | 08-02-2005 11:44 PM |
It was the curse of #4!!
| RaceComp Engineering | 08-03-2005 09:02 AM |
To me, and I know its a business, but as many times as Ferrari asked Rubens to take 2nd place, and give a couple of wins to SCHUEY, it sorta disgust me that they let him go. At least he did win some during that time frame.
Can someone post his stats..........
Myles
Can someone post his stats..........
Myles
| iamrazor | 08-03-2005 09:27 AM |
From Formula1.com
[QUOTE]
Team: Ferrari
Nationality: Brazilian
DOB: 23/05/1972
Place: Sao Paulo
Grand Prix entered: 210
World Championships: 0
Highest race finish: 1 (x9)
Highest grid position: 1 (x13)
Podiums: 61
Points: 482[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
Team: Ferrari
Nationality: Brazilian
DOB: 23/05/1972
Place: Sao Paulo
Grand Prix entered: 210
World Championships: 0
Highest race finish: 1 (x9)
Highest grid position: 1 (x13)
Podiums: 61
Points: 482[/QUOTE]
| artkevin | 08-03-2005 09:30 AM |
I got this from his website but imarazor's is much more conscience.
[URL=http://www.barrichello.com.br/home.php?lang=uk]Woobens[/URL]
[URL=http://www.barrichello.com.br/home.php?lang=uk]Woobens[/URL]
| iamrazor | 08-03-2005 09:32 AM |
I'm not a fan of the rubino, but anyone who can get into 200+ gp's deserves respect.
| spazegun2213 | 08-03-2005 09:46 AM |
Dude, i feel like the ferrari team will not be woth cheering for anymore. I mean Rubens is the ONLY guy that could (note that this season is different) keep up with micheal.
oh well... i bet he'll lead the BAR team quite well. I think this will give him a chance to beat micheal....
oh well... i bet he'll lead the BAR team quite well. I think this will give him a chance to beat micheal....
| iamrazor | 08-03-2005 09:56 AM |
I think kimi and alonso are doing quite well.
Although, performance in F1 isn't just the driver. the engine / chassis / tires all come into play. I think ferarri has suffered so poorly because of their tires. I dont think bridgestone was on par with michelin. the last race they did well and i think its because of the new compound / constuction bridgestone created.
Although, performance in F1 isn't just the driver. the engine / chassis / tires all come into play. I think ferarri has suffered so poorly because of their tires. I dont think bridgestone was on par with michelin. the last race they did well and i think its because of the new compound / constuction bridgestone created.
| rupertberr | 08-03-2005 11:14 AM |
I am pretty sure Rubens asked to be let go. Tired of being number 2 with no sign of Schumi retiring. Relations became frosty after Michael's kamikazi pass for 7th on the last lap at Monaco. Ruben's contract went for a couple more years with Ferrari and they were happy with him.
| artkevin | 08-03-2005 11:34 AM |
[QUOTE=rupertberr]I am pretty sure Rubens asked to be let go. Tired of being number 2 with no sign of Schumi retiring. Relations became frosty after Michael's kamikazi pass for 7th on the last lap at Monaco. Ruben's contract went for a couple more years with Ferrari and they were happy with him.[/QUOTE]
Most websites are saying that Ferrari offered him an extension and he is/was under contract through '06 so it does look like it was his choice. I am sure he is fed up with having to loose but I am not sure BAR can give him a car to win. I never thought about the kamikazi move as being a turning point but it very well could be. It seems like adter all the crap and bad luck hes been through (A1 ring in 02, USGP 02 and USGP 05) at the Scuderia that would be just another drop in the bucket.
Most websites are saying that Ferrari offered him an extension and he is/was under contract through '06 so it does look like it was his choice. I am sure he is fed up with having to loose but I am not sure BAR can give him a car to win. I never thought about the kamikazi move as being a turning point but it very well could be. It seems like adter all the crap and bad luck hes been through (A1 ring in 02, USGP 02 and USGP 05) at the Scuderia that would be just another drop in the bucket.
| Bonzo | 08-03-2005 12:10 PM |
rupertberr may have called it.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/articles/formulaone/auto/18652/[/url]
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/articles/formulaone/auto/18652/[/url]
| tecnic1 | 08-03-2005 10:03 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Um, whose the other? Heidfeld, Fisi, JV or someone else? Maybe Kimi.[/QUOTE]
I think there is a very good chance Kimi will drive for ferrari in 2008.
One of the factors involved with macca signing him in 2002 was the fact they wanted to get him before ferrari had the chance to. The relevence being that Jean Todt rates Kimi very highly.
Kimi has grown inpatient with Mclaren's unreliability.
Ferrari are then only team who could afford to pay Kimi, and compensate Mclaren for letting him go.
Mclaren are going to find themselves short of cash in 2007 with the loss of $40M of West (tobacco) sponsorship.
I think there is a very good chance Kimi will drive for ferrari in 2008.
One of the factors involved with macca signing him in 2002 was the fact they wanted to get him before ferrari had the chance to. The relevence being that Jean Todt rates Kimi very highly.
Kimi has grown inpatient with Mclaren's unreliability.
Ferrari are then only team who could afford to pay Kimi, and compensate Mclaren for letting him go.
Mclaren are going to find themselves short of cash in 2007 with the loss of $40M of West (tobacco) sponsorship.
| ralliharri | 08-04-2005 12:11 AM |
I would've expected Ferrari to sign another finn, Nico Rosberg, who's been running away from the field together w/ fellow finn Kovalainen, saw Jean Todt talk to his dad Keke during Magny-Cours GP2 race.
| tecnic1 | 08-04-2005 11:44 AM |
[QUOTE=ralliharri]I would've expected Ferrari to sign another finn, Nico Rosberg, who's been running away from the field together w/ fellow finn Kovalainen, saw Jean Todt talk to his dad Keke during Magny-Cours GP2 race.[/QUOTE]
Ferrari do not traditionally sign rookie drivers
Ferrari do not traditionally sign rookie drivers
| OnTheGas | 08-09-2005 10:53 PM |
Weak Market For Drivers
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[QUOTE=tecnic1]massa at ferrari is terrific news.
I'm expecting to see two former sauber drivers in ferraris in 2008[/QUOTE]Ferrari is taking a step down to replace Rubens w/Massa. Perhaps it will be good for Massa, but Ferrari is a pressure cooker, and Massa will need to step up his performance in that spotlight.
Massa has been around for awhile, including a season as test driver at Ferrari in 2003... So, if he was a big talent, he would have been in Rubens' seat already. I see some merit in the following two gentlemen's analysis.
Triple World Champion Niki Lauda:[quote]Neither good nor bad [move]; middle of the road I'd say. Barrichello is faster but Massa has age on his side, so he might improve.[/quote]
Former Grand Prix winner John Watson:[QUOTE][Massa] is their best option. Whether the team is weaker as a result of Barrichello going, I suspect it is.
They could go with an unknown, but probably the most logical thing to do is what they have done, which is take someone who they do have experience of from the year's testing he did in 2003, and who, while he is a very quick driver, I have never been able to work him out.
...He used to drive like an on-off switch.
If he doesn't fulfil Ferrari's needs, in other words if he thinks he's going to take on Michael and beat him, he will be very quickly dumped.[/QUOTE]To which I would add, or if Massa doesn't keep pace, he will be quickly dumped.
Ferrari is probably already looking at other drivers for 2007 and beyond.
I'm expecting to see two former sauber drivers in ferraris in 2008[/QUOTE]Ferrari is taking a step down to replace Rubens w/Massa. Perhaps it will be good for Massa, but Ferrari is a pressure cooker, and Massa will need to step up his performance in that spotlight.
Massa has been around for awhile, including a season as test driver at Ferrari in 2003... So, if he was a big talent, he would have been in Rubens' seat already. I see some merit in the following two gentlemen's analysis.
Triple World Champion Niki Lauda:[quote]Neither good nor bad [move]; middle of the road I'd say. Barrichello is faster but Massa has age on his side, so he might improve.[/quote]
Former Grand Prix winner John Watson:[QUOTE][Massa] is their best option. Whether the team is weaker as a result of Barrichello going, I suspect it is.
They could go with an unknown, but probably the most logical thing to do is what they have done, which is take someone who they do have experience of from the year's testing he did in 2003, and who, while he is a very quick driver, I have never been able to work him out.
...He used to drive like an on-off switch.
If he doesn't fulfil Ferrari's needs, in other words if he thinks he's going to take on Michael and beat him, he will be very quickly dumped.[/QUOTE]To which I would add, or if Massa doesn't keep pace, he will be quickly dumped.
Ferrari is probably already looking at other drivers for 2007 and beyond.
| OnTheGas | 08-09-2005 11:05 PM |
Button, Barrichello, and BAR
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[QUOTE=artkevin]He'll be number two at BAR too if Button stays...[/QUOTE]I agree, though it looks like Button is likely to be stuck in a Williams/Cosworth next season instead. Too bad, as I don't think BAR can find another driver w/Button's speed to join Rubens next season.
BAR is a team that is on the verge.
BAR is a team that is on the verge.
| artkevin | 08-09-2005 11:36 PM |
^^^
I would like to see Ant get a real shot at it. If not I think the next "untapped" talent might be C. Albers.
Button is screwing up the whole drivers market for me to guess at right now. I have tired head.
I would like to see Ant get a real shot at it. If not I think the next "untapped" talent might be C. Albers.
Button is screwing up the whole drivers market for me to guess at right now. I have tired head.
| F1Johnny | 08-09-2005 11:52 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]He'll be number two at BAR too if Button stays with as hard as they are fighting to keep him.
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Barrichello will be faster than Button. If there is a #1 driver it would have to be Rubens. But Button will be in a Williams next year, apparently Williams sponsors have insisted on it and have made committments based on him being in the seat in 2006.
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Barrichello will be faster than Button. If there is a #1 driver it would have to be Rubens. But Button will be in a Williams next year, apparently Williams sponsors have insisted on it and have made committments based on him being in the seat in 2006.
| MattDell | 08-10-2005 02:43 AM |
^Good. Sato needs to stay at BAR.
| slikrik05 | 08-10-2005 03:05 AM |
I am a Brazilian born Japanese. Its hard for me to cheer for a Japanese team with no Brazilian drivers. Rubens at BAR HONDA is gonna be great (I know BAR is not a Japanese team but still Honda.) Especially since I hate Ferrari and MS. I hope Button stays but I think Taku also has more to offer.
Regardless, BAR all the way!.....Next season...
Regardless, BAR all the way!.....Next season...
| bsp | 08-10-2005 03:21 AM |
Sad to see Rubens go, however I would agree with most. Hopefully things will be better for him after he makes the move.
| artkevin | 08-10-2005 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=F1Johnny]Barrichello will be faster than Button. If there is a #1 driver it would have to be Rubens. But Button will be in a Williams next year, apparently Williams sponsors have insisted on it and have made committments based on him being in the seat in 2006.[/QUOTE]
The reason I say Button will be number 1 is becuase BAR have put almost 100% of their PR effort behind Button since he has been there. Woobens is fast no doubt and most likely the most under rated driver in the paddock but the team is behind Button for right or wrong.
As far as Button heading to Williams it is hard to think of him going to a team that he publicly said he doesn't want to go. I saw a post on f1-live.com that has Webber and Fisisco switching seats because they are both managed by Flavio. If that happens it will be Button/Fisi just like Bennoton (?) a few years ago.
KP
The reason I say Button will be number 1 is becuase BAR have put almost 100% of their PR effort behind Button since he has been there. Woobens is fast no doubt and most likely the most under rated driver in the paddock but the team is behind Button for right or wrong.
As far as Button heading to Williams it is hard to think of him going to a team that he publicly said he doesn't want to go. I saw a post on f1-live.com that has Webber and Fisisco switching seats because they are both managed by Flavio. If that happens it will be Button/Fisi just like Bennoton (?) a few years ago.
KP
| F1Johnny | 08-10-2005 11:14 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]The reason I say Button will be number 1 is becuase BAR have put almost 100% of their PR effort behind Button since he has been there. Woobens is fast no doubt and most likely the most under rated driver in the paddock but the team is behind Button for right or wrong.
As far as Button heading to Williams it is hard to think of him going to a team that he publicly said he doesn't want to go. I saw a post on f1-live that has Webber and Fisisco switching seats because they are both managed by Flavio. If that happens it will be Button/Fisi just like Bennoton (?) a few years ago.
KP[/QUOTE]
BAR is Button's team and if it were any other driver he would be #1. I just don't see Rubens taking a #2 position again, and he is faster and has the experience of being in a top team.
I hope for Button's sake that he is not paired with Fisi, because he will have a real challenge. Webber will be easier to deal with especially in the races where Button does well and Webber does not.
As far as Button heading to Williams it is hard to think of him going to a team that he publicly said he doesn't want to go. I saw a post on f1-live that has Webber and Fisisco switching seats because they are both managed by Flavio. If that happens it will be Button/Fisi just like Bennoton (?) a few years ago.
KP[/QUOTE]
BAR is Button's team and if it were any other driver he would be #1. I just don't see Rubens taking a #2 position again, and he is faster and has the experience of being in a top team.
I hope for Button's sake that he is not paired with Fisi, because he will have a real challenge. Webber will be easier to deal with especially in the races where Button does well and Webber does not.
| Rich10 | 08-10-2005 01:19 PM |
If Barrichello wants to be the number 1 driver on a team, he's going to have to be the faster driver. It is pretty much that simple. As much as I like Rubens, he wasn't as fast as MS. Will that change at BAR? We'll see.
| OnTheGas | 08-10-2005 10:46 PM |
Button vs. Barrichello @ BAR
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Well put.
On Button vs. Barrichello, here is how the nasioc motorsports board see it so far:
[B]Team Button[/B]:[list][*]artkevin - Button would be faster @ BAR because of his history w/team[*]OnTheGas - Button is faster[*]Rich10 - Barrichello needs to step it up to be a #1 driver/team leader[/list][B]Team Barrichello[/B]:[list][*]F1Johnny - Rubens is just faster than Button[*]slikrik05 - Rubens is brazilian born & on Japanese powered team (good karma)...[*]spazegun2213 - Only team-mate/driver to keep up with Michael[*]iamrazor - "200+ gp's deserves respect"[/list]
I do hope that Barrichello steps up and blossoms. Like I said, BAR is on the verge of being a championship contender. It would good if BAR & Honda design a championship competitive car for 2006.
Well put.
On Button vs. Barrichello, here is how the nasioc motorsports board see it so far:
[B]Team Button[/B]:[list][*]artkevin - Button would be faster @ BAR because of his history w/team[*]OnTheGas - Button is faster[*]Rich10 - Barrichello needs to step it up to be a #1 driver/team leader[/list][B]Team Barrichello[/B]:[list][*]F1Johnny - Rubens is just faster than Button[*]slikrik05 - Rubens is brazilian born & on Japanese powered team (good karma)...[*]spazegun2213 - Only team-mate/driver to keep up with Michael[*]iamrazor - "200+ gp's deserves respect"[/list]
I do hope that Barrichello steps up and blossoms. Like I said, BAR is on the verge of being a championship contender. It would good if BAR & Honda design a championship competitive car for 2006.
| finnRex | 08-11-2005 12:26 AM |
Man, that's sad to hear. 100% understandable though. I liked cheering for Woobens, even though I hated Ferrari. He was always a classy guy. Put up a good fight, but kept it fair. No "cheap" moves or dangerous moves, which is more than I can say about his teammate.
I don't think that Kimi will be going to Ferrari though. I only say this because I doubt Ron Dennis will let Kimi go. They know dang well that he's a good driver, and that he definitely has the pace to win not just races, but championships. And to give Kimi to Ferrari would go against everything that Dennis would approve of. BUT...maybe Kimi is fed up with the unreliability, and he's ready for change. Maybe Ferrari's pockets are deep enough to pick off KR from Ron's clutches...
Look out for a couple of Finn's, as mentioned earlier. Kovalainen(who lost the ROC thanks to Ferrari's battery dying) has been doing well, isn't he a test driver? Also, Nico Rosberg(speed runs in the family) should be coming up quickly.
Random opinion...the only reason Sato is still in F1 is because of his backing. A Japanese driver in F1 keeps that whole country interested. U.S. anyone?;)
Mika(slightly biased, if ya couldn't tell ;) )
I don't think that Kimi will be going to Ferrari though. I only say this because I doubt Ron Dennis will let Kimi go. They know dang well that he's a good driver, and that he definitely has the pace to win not just races, but championships. And to give Kimi to Ferrari would go against everything that Dennis would approve of. BUT...maybe Kimi is fed up with the unreliability, and he's ready for change. Maybe Ferrari's pockets are deep enough to pick off KR from Ron's clutches...
Look out for a couple of Finn's, as mentioned earlier. Kovalainen(who lost the ROC thanks to Ferrari's battery dying) has been doing well, isn't he a test driver? Also, Nico Rosberg(speed runs in the family) should be coming up quickly.
Random opinion...the only reason Sato is still in F1 is because of his backing. A Japanese driver in F1 keeps that whole country interested. U.S. anyone?;)
Mika(slightly biased, if ya couldn't tell ;) )
| iamrazor | 08-11-2005 08:51 AM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]
Random opinion...the only reason Sato is still in F1 is because of his backing. A Japanese driver in F1 keeps that whole country interested. U.S. anyone?;)
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I agree with the Sato point. Honda did say they wanted to Japanese driver.
However, I don't think an American in F1 would instantly create a huge audience here. Would it help, sure. Though i still think it would take some time (a season or two) before the fan base really caught on. Right now, I see Scott Speed as the only real prospect for us. I hope he can secure a ride next year.
Random opinion...the only reason Sato is still in F1 is because of his backing. A Japanese driver in F1 keeps that whole country interested. U.S. anyone?;)
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I agree with the Sato point. Honda did say they wanted to Japanese driver.
However, I don't think an American in F1 would instantly create a huge audience here. Would it help, sure. Though i still think it would take some time (a season or two) before the fan base really caught on. Right now, I see Scott Speed as the only real prospect for us. I hope he can secure a ride next year.
| skuttledude | 08-11-2005 09:57 AM |
Kimi will eventually go to Ferrari. Renault could barely do anything to stop Schuy from going to Ferrari back in the late 90's. ($$) While McLaren has deeper pockets than Renault, I still think that Kimi is going to switch.
Button is over-rated. Fast yes, but I only consider him a top 7 driver.
I surely hope Barrichello comes out swinging and gets to the top and some podiums to show that he deserves more than being a great #2 shadow driver. He is definately faster than Button. (me=Team Reubens)
My top fastest drivers (put them in equal car)
M. Schuy
Kimi
Reubens
Alonso
Juan
Trulli
Button
Sato (rare acts of quickness)
Fishi
Button is over-rated. Fast yes, but I only consider him a top 7 driver.
I surely hope Barrichello comes out swinging and gets to the top and some podiums to show that he deserves more than being a great #2 shadow driver. He is definately faster than Button. (me=Team Reubens)
My top fastest drivers (put them in equal car)
M. Schuy
Kimi
Reubens
Alonso
Juan
Trulli
Button
Sato (rare acts of quickness)
Fishi
| rupertberr | 08-11-2005 09:58 AM |
[QUOTE=iamrazor]
However, I don't think an American in F1 would instantly create a huge audience here. [/QUOTE]
Unless it was Danica Patrick.
;) :lol: :devil:
However, I don't think an American in F1 would instantly create a huge audience here. [/QUOTE]
Unless it was Danica Patrick.
;) :lol: :devil:
| Scooby-Doode | 08-11-2005 10:16 AM |
My thoughts:
-I am quite happy Rubens is leaving Ferrari, they've never treated him to right to begin with.
-I don't think Button will be able to weasle himself out of his Williams contract
-Rubens becomes driver #1 at Honda
-Sato gets the boot
-Honda finds replacement for Sato
-Rubens will be faster than the replacement, if indeed he goes to BAR
-I am quite happy Rubens is leaving Ferrari, they've never treated him to right to begin with.
-I don't think Button will be able to weasle himself out of his Williams contract
-Rubens becomes driver #1 at Honda
-Sato gets the boot
-Honda finds replacement for Sato
-Rubens will be faster than the replacement, if indeed he goes to BAR
| AndyRoo | 08-11-2005 11:03 AM |
[QUOTE=Davis K Powers]Kimi will eventually go to Ferrari. Renault could barely do anything to stop Schuy from going to Ferrari back in the late 90's. ($$) While McLaren has deeper pockets than Renault, I still think that Kimi is going to switch.
Button is over-rated. Fast yes, but I only consider him a top 7 driver.
I surely hope Barrichello comes out swinging and gets to the top and some podiums to show that he deserves more than being a great #2 shadow driver. He is definately faster than Button. (me=Team Reubens)
My top fastest drivers (put them in equal car)
M. Schuy
Kimi
Reubens
Juan
Trulli
Button
Sato
Fishi[/QUOTE]
Sato ahead of Fisi? come ooonnn....
Also, you forgot to put Alonso in there somewhere.
Button is over-rated. Fast yes, but I only consider him a top 7 driver.
I surely hope Barrichello comes out swinging and gets to the top and some podiums to show that he deserves more than being a great #2 shadow driver. He is definately faster than Button. (me=Team Reubens)
My top fastest drivers (put them in equal car)
M. Schuy
Kimi
Reubens
Juan
Trulli
Button
Sato
Fishi[/QUOTE]
Sato ahead of Fisi? come ooonnn....
Also, you forgot to put Alonso in there somewhere.
| artkevin | 08-11-2005 11:10 AM |
Sato has been kicked in the teeth lately. I remeber watching him in F3 (F3000?) a few years back and thinking this kid is the real deal. He has not translated that into results in F1 other then his 3rd at Indy last year but I think he is still a great driver. He has had incredibly bad luck in his F1 career along with some really stupid mistakes. I hope he can turn it around before the end of the season becuase I love to watch him drive and would hate to see him go.
KP
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| finnRex | 08-11-2005 10:59 PM |
Iamrazor, I think that Speed would create quite a bit of a stir if he would make his way into F1. BUT, the majority of the U.S. would only follow IF he was a world contender, which I don't think he is(right not at least). If he gets a couple years under his belt, and keeps his name out there in F1, he can get quite a bit of U.S. support. I think Speed will get a ride next year, alongside DC. How long is Klein's contract?
Davis, I think you're right that Kimi will go to Ferrari eventually. Once herr Schumacher retires, they will be looking for their #1 driver, especially since Rubens is gone. Not that he'd have much of a chance of taking the #1 spot, the way Ferrari has treated him.
Fastest drivers out there...
1. Kimi(I say this because Michael has lost *some* of his edge. Not all, but some.)
2. Michael-'nuff said
3. Alonso-very consistent, and can handle pressure.
4. Montoya-shoulder injury and all...
5. Rubens-paddock favorite, and well respected by many.
6. Trulli-bringing out the best of the Toyo package.
7. Fisi-a good ways behind his teammate.
8. DC-Old fart, but still darn good...:)
Mika
Davis, I think you're right that Kimi will go to Ferrari eventually. Once herr Schumacher retires, they will be looking for their #1 driver, especially since Rubens is gone. Not that he'd have much of a chance of taking the #1 spot, the way Ferrari has treated him.
Fastest drivers out there...
1. Kimi(I say this because Michael has lost *some* of his edge. Not all, but some.)
2. Michael-'nuff said
3. Alonso-very consistent, and can handle pressure.
4. Montoya-shoulder injury and all...
5. Rubens-paddock favorite, and well respected by many.
6. Trulli-bringing out the best of the Toyo package.
7. Fisi-a good ways behind his teammate.
8. DC-Old fart, but still darn good...:)
Mika
| artkevin | 08-12-2005 09:43 AM |
Alright. This is just getting out of hand. :confused:
Nick Heidfeld is now being linked to BAR so it COULD be Woobens and Nick at BAR.
[URL=http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=95056]Quick Nick Link[/URL]
Nick Heidfeld is now being linked to BAR so it COULD be Woobens and Nick at BAR.
[URL=http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=95056]Quick Nick Link[/URL]
| skuttledude | 08-12-2005 10:01 AM |
[QUOTE=AndyRoo]Sato ahead of Fisi? come ooonnn....
Also, you forgot to put Alonso in there somewhere.[/QUOTE]
opps, u r right. edited correctly now:)
Nick Heifeld???? I just haven't seen him do that great. Yes, he had crappy cars (while Button was getting the semi good stuff) but you can always tell an awesome driver even when they are driving shat cars. Kimi R. driving a Sauber is a good example. Or Senna driving the Lotus.
I'm looking forward to see Scott SPEED go to F1 and agree that it will take him a couple years (if car is great) to get a podium.
F1 is sure playing some interesting hot seats lately. Next thing we know, Valentino Rossi will drive a Ferrari! (ummmm oppps, he has been testing at Ferrari test track..3 secs off Shuy)
Also, you forgot to put Alonso in there somewhere.[/QUOTE]
opps, u r right. edited correctly now:)
Nick Heifeld???? I just haven't seen him do that great. Yes, he had crappy cars (while Button was getting the semi good stuff) but you can always tell an awesome driver even when they are driving shat cars. Kimi R. driving a Sauber is a good example. Or Senna driving the Lotus.
I'm looking forward to see Scott SPEED go to F1 and agree that it will take him a couple years (if car is great) to get a podium.
F1 is sure playing some interesting hot seats lately. Next thing we know, Valentino Rossi will drive a Ferrari! (ummmm oppps, he has been testing at Ferrari test track..3 secs off Shuy)
| AndyRoo | 08-12-2005 02:12 PM |
My thoughts:
Regardless of where your place driver's in your rankings, the fact is that there are at least 8 driver's now who are within a realistic range of each other's abilties. If the cars compared similarly anyone could win any race, and to me that's exciting.
I hope more teams start to step up their development programs and starting putting out cars that can really hang with and maybe beat Mclaren, BAR, Ferrari, and Renault.
*cough Williams Red Bull Sauber Totota*cough ;)
- andrew
Regardless of where your place driver's in your rankings, the fact is that there are at least 8 driver's now who are within a realistic range of each other's abilties. If the cars compared similarly anyone could win any race, and to me that's exciting.
I hope more teams start to step up their development programs and starting putting out cars that can really hang with and maybe beat Mclaren, BAR, Ferrari, and Renault.
*cough Williams Red Bull Sauber Totota*cough ;)
- andrew
| Bonzo | 08-12-2005 03:52 PM |
Rossi was 1.5 seconds off of Shuey's best lap. Valentino's biggest challenge was getting his feet to be as precise as his hands are with braking on corner entry.
After the recent two day test, he's done enough laps to aquire his superlicense.
I predict Rossi will test Red in 06 and drive in 07. 2006 will be Schuey's last year in F1.
After the recent two day test, he's done enough laps to aquire his superlicense.
I predict Rossi will test Red in 06 and drive in 07. 2006 will be Schuey's last year in F1.
| artkevin | 08-12-2005 07:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]Rossi was 1.5 seconds off of Shuey's best lap. Valentino's biggest challenge was getting his feet to be as precise as his hands are with braking on corner entry.
After the recent two day test, he's done enough laps to aquire his superlicense.
I predict Rossi will test Red in 06 and drive in 07. 2006 will be Schuey's last year in F1.[/QUOTE]
+1
Valentino seems to be finished with Moto GP, looking of another challenge. Its sad becuase he is simply awesome to watch on a bike. It will be good to see an Itilian in a Ferrari that we know has the talent to push the car. It will only be a matter of time before he has the better of the f200(?).
After the recent two day test, he's done enough laps to aquire his superlicense.
I predict Rossi will test Red in 06 and drive in 07. 2006 will be Schuey's last year in F1.[/QUOTE]
+1
Valentino seems to be finished with Moto GP, looking of another challenge. Its sad becuase he is simply awesome to watch on a bike. It will be good to see an Itilian in a Ferrari that we know has the talent to push the car. It will only be a matter of time before he has the better of the f200(?).
| 97itr153 | 08-13-2005 04:18 PM |
Felipe, while a good driver, just does not have the natural talent to replace Michael in years to come. The only current F1 drivers that have the pure talent to compete with Michael are Fernando, Kimi and Jarno. Remember, Jarno outqualified Fernando 8-7 in 2004 and the only win for Renault that year came from him in Monaco! Also, Giancarlo and Juan are also very good drivers but anyone who has been paying attention this year knows that they are significantly slower than their teammates.
So my list of top current F1 drivers would be classified into four levels of talent:
1-4. Michael, Jarno, Kimi, Fernando
5-11. Giancarlo, Ralph, Jenson, Rubens, Juan, Mark, Nick.
12-15. Jacque, Felipe, David, Takuma
16-20. The rest of the guys are all over the map in terms of talent...
So my list of top current F1 drivers would be classified into four levels of talent:
1-4. Michael, Jarno, Kimi, Fernando
5-11. Giancarlo, Ralph, Jenson, Rubens, Juan, Mark, Nick.
12-15. Jacque, Felipe, David, Takuma
16-20. The rest of the guys are all over the map in terms of talent...
| WINZOWAR | 08-14-2005 11:21 AM |
It's hard to judge how quick they are in different cars. Look at how fast Wurz, de la Rosa and Zonta are driving on Fridays. There is a reason they are test drivers. With teammates, it's easy. The McLaren is fastest right now, and Kimi is almost always faster than Juan. Fernando's turn in style bothers me, I think he's harder on tires than Kimi. One guy I would love to see in a good car is Albers. He has had some amazing qualifying laps in a really loose slow car. Trulli has surprised me with his speed, but his race results are lacking. DC seems to have decent results in a slow car even though he isn't measurably faster than his teammates.
Even though it's hard to evaluate, I can't resist ranking drivers:
1. tie: Kimi and Michael
3. Fernando
4. Montoya
5. Button
6. tie: DC and Rubens
8. tie: Trulli and Ralf
10. tie: Massa and Fisichella
Even though it's hard to evaluate, I can't resist ranking drivers:
1. tie: Kimi and Michael
3. Fernando
4. Montoya
5. Button
6. tie: DC and Rubens
8. tie: Trulli and Ralf
10. tie: Massa and Fisichella
| Wr4wrX | 08-16-2005 06:08 AM |
[URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4155280.stm]BARrichello...it's official.[/URL]
| skuttledude | 08-16-2005 08:24 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX][URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4155280.stm]BARrichello...it's official.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the news....I couldn't wish for anything better that to see Reubens win a title in 2006. Would be very tough but a great year.
Thanks for the news....I couldn't wish for anything better that to see Reubens win a title in 2006. Would be very tough but a great year.
| FrostyAK | 08-16-2005 10:52 AM |
I would love to see Barichello and Button at Honda next year. Dream team if you ask me.
- Chris
- Chris
| slikrik05 | 08-16-2005 02:47 PM |
I think its been confirmed, Rubens on BAR HONDA!
They don't know who he is replacing though.
They don't know who he is replacing though.
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