| yosemitemtb | 04-15-2006 02:57 AM |
Ditching autocross work assignments?
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This has been bugging me for a while, at an earlier event there were a few people (none Subie drivers or in my class) who ditched their work group. They were basically using the event as a test-and-tune, not running for points or times other than what was shown to them at the event. Is this something that goes on a lot? These weren't noobs who just didn't know, one guy used to be a regular in our area, but "doesn't seem to make a lot of friends" and pulled the same move at least once last season. The other two have a lot of National event experience, I've even seen photos of their cars in magazines on occasion. I don't know, it just seems to me ditching work is not in the spirit of the sport, so to speak. What do you guys think?
| centralcoastWRX | 04-15-2006 03:16 AM |
buncha dirt bags
| STI4ME | 04-15-2006 03:37 AM |
I bet I can name those "dirt bags" in 3 guesses. :lol: :lol:
| yosemitemtb | 04-15-2006 03:45 AM |
Hey, you're up late, how am I supposed to post stuff about people when other people are up all night? Oh, and I was just looking at a picture of your car, nice rims.
And I never said dirt bags, I'm trying to be diplomatic. I have almost as much fun working as I do driving and I was worried some of our participants aren't getting the full amount of enjoyment they may be due.
It's past my bedtime, though. G'nite.
And I never said dirt bags, I'm trying to be diplomatic. I have almost as much fun working as I do driving and I was worried some of our participants aren't getting the full amount of enjoyment they may be due.
It's past my bedtime, though. G'nite.
| arthurmchan | 04-15-2006 04:55 AM |
As someone who's helped to run autocross events - yes, it stinks when people don't realize that it's a volunteer sport and don't put in their fair share of effort. There are always a handful of people with whom we struggle with.
Having said that, just make sure that you're not jumping to conclusions - we typically have a number of off-course work assignments which may not be obvious like:
[list][*]Teching cars on the event morning[*]Teching cars before event day[*]Gate waiver duty before the event[*]Helping with event setup or teardown[/list]
Having said that, just make sure that you're not jumping to conclusions - we typically have a number of off-course work assignments which may not be obvious like:
[list][*]Teching cars on the event morning[*]Teching cars before event day[*]Gate waiver duty before the event[*]Helping with event setup or teardown[/list]
| Protege Menace | 04-15-2006 05:09 AM |
at our events they goa round checking stations to check your name off, if you dont work you dont get trophies and I think you get DQed or your tiems dont get posted or soemthing.
| KC | 04-15-2006 06:43 AM |
Like arthur said, there are still work assignments that don't involve course.
In our region, if it's found that you don't work an assignment, and its found that you're doing it more than once, you're asked not to come back.
--kC
In our region, if it's found that you don't work an assignment, and its found that you're doing it more than once, you're asked not to come back.
--kC
| Scooby South | 04-15-2006 07:16 AM |
our region has a person that checks you off also...No work...no times allowed...
Personally I work Tech....and occasionally the computer...
and sometimes I chase cones..depends on my mood..most of the time is tech tho...that way when I am done...I am done..:)
Bill
Personally I work Tech....and occasionally the computer...
and sometimes I chase cones..depends on my mood..most of the time is tech tho...that way when I am done...I am done..:)
Bill
| Templar | 04-15-2006 08:24 AM |
We started having this problem at our local events until we came up with the policy that if you race and don't work, you will have to work an event without racing before you can ever race with us again. We have it noted in our timing computer if they ditched work.
| RB5 Clone | 04-15-2006 08:47 AM |
ditching work in a sport where the whole model is based on racers running the show is simple self-centered laziness
wait...there's an explanation...
some ppl just don't get it, or worse don't WANT to get it
DG :rolleyes:
wait...there's an explanation...
some ppl just don't get it, or worse don't WANT to get it
DG :rolleyes:
| LetItSnow | 04-15-2006 08:53 AM |
We've got a bunch of those... it's part of why I didn't run last season. I saw one of the guys from the organization at the car show this year, and he says that they really cracked down on that while I was away. We have the "enduro" on a go-kart track... 5 minutes, and how far can you go? So this tool shows up with a 1 on his car, gets the first run and leaves for the day.
We work for you, you work for [i]us[/i].
We work for you, you work for [i]us[/i].
| bdi | 04-15-2006 09:51 AM |
Yea none workers can really ruin a good auto-x! By either making you stay out and work longer or they slow down the whole day! I bite my thumb at them!! :mad:
Ease
Ease
| wrxkix | 04-15-2006 10:45 AM |
[QUOTE=Templar]We started having this problem at our local events until we came up with the policy that if you race and don't work, you will have to work an event without racing before you can ever race with us again. We have it noted in our timing computer if they ditched work.[/QUOTE]
^ This is the method I prefer, but our club basically makes you work two assignments before you run at the next event. Work, Work, Run all in one day makes for a very long day, it seems to work quite well.
Many members in our group work twice just to thing flowing. But with 100+ people, this should not be necessary.
^ This is the method I prefer, but our club basically makes you work two assignments before you run at the next event. Work, Work, Run all in one day makes for a very long day, it seems to work quite well.
Many members in our group work twice just to thing flowing. But with 100+ people, this should not be necessary.
| yosemitemtb | 04-15-2006 12:01 PM |
[QUOTE=arthurmchan]
Having said that, just make sure that you're not jumping to conclusions - we typically have a number of off-course work assignments which may not be obvious like:
[list][*]Teching cars on the event morning[*]Teching cars before event day[*]Gate waiver duty before the event[*]Helping with event setup or teardown[/list][/QUOTE]
The reason I suspect the people I'm thinking of didn't work was the big "DNW" listed in the results after their names. It could have been a case where their names didn't get crossed off the work list in the confusion, it was a pretty big event of almost 150 cars, but for it to happen to people who know they need to check in for work makes me suspicious.
Thanks for the opinions, I've been autocrossing for a few seasons now and in our region, ditching work is rare. Seven people were listed as "DNW" but a couple of them were new and might not have checked in. It was just strange to see so many at one event. I would have totally chalked all of it up to a mistake if a bunch of them hadn't been veterens or if I hadn't remembered the one guy who did the same thing at an event last year.
Having said that, just make sure that you're not jumping to conclusions - we typically have a number of off-course work assignments which may not be obvious like:
[list][*]Teching cars on the event morning[*]Teching cars before event day[*]Gate waiver duty before the event[*]Helping with event setup or teardown[/list][/QUOTE]
The reason I suspect the people I'm thinking of didn't work was the big "DNW" listed in the results after their names. It could have been a case where their names didn't get crossed off the work list in the confusion, it was a pretty big event of almost 150 cars, but for it to happen to people who know they need to check in for work makes me suspicious.
Thanks for the opinions, I've been autocrossing for a few seasons now and in our region, ditching work is rare. Seven people were listed as "DNW" but a couple of them were new and might not have checked in. It was just strange to see so many at one event. I would have totally chalked all of it up to a mistake if a bunch of them hadn't been veterens or if I hadn't remembered the one guy who did the same thing at an event last year.
| H2OSB | 04-15-2006 12:24 PM |
Buncha A-holes if you ask me.
Yosemitemtb, were you at Castle? I'm the guy with the white LGT. I'm thinking you must be the guy who ran on his winter tires, no?
H2OSB
Yosemitemtb, were you at Castle? I'm the guy with the white LGT. I'm thinking you must be the guy who ran on his winter tires, no?
H2OSB
| yosemitemtb | 04-15-2006 04:09 PM |
[QUOTE=H2OSB]Buncha A-holes if you ask me.
I'm thinking you must be the guy who ran on his winter tires, no?
H2OSB[/QUOTE]
:) .
I'm thinking you must be the guy who ran on his winter tires, no?
H2OSB[/QUOTE]
:) .
| reddevil | 04-15-2006 06:16 PM |
In our Rallycross here in the Portland area, if you run and ditch your assignment, you are blacklisted period. Or at least that is the threat. And I hope they keep this threat true.
| theicewall | 04-15-2006 06:23 PM |
Same with my region... for every run you do without a corresponding work assigment you lose your best time. So, if you run 5 times and work 4 times you lose your best time of the day. You run 5 times and work 3 times you lose your best 2 times of the day. I suppose that if you dont care about competing or your times and really are just trying to adjust your car you wouldnt care, but I guess not everyone is as considerate as you and I.
| Jonnyfilmboy | 04-15-2006 09:34 PM |
I'm a noob and I've never run in an autocross yet, but I've been to a few events over the past two or three years just to watch. And I have to tell you, at least at the Chicago region SCCA events, it's confusing. The website just sucks. One of the worst I have ever seen anywhere, bar none. And going to the events, there's a lot going on, but it isn't very "clear" to new people, I don't think. It's difficult to know what to do, where to go and who to talk to. And I could imagine that new people would forget to check in if they worked. I'm not trying to slam anyone, I'm just saying that the Chicago region SCCA isn't very clear with what to do and where to go. At least, that's how I see it. But again, I've never been there in the morning for the drivers briefing. Maybe they more clearly explain things there.
| wm07 | 04-15-2006 10:56 PM |
If the new people don't check in, then how could they find out what to do? :lol:
Trust me, everything will be easy when you participate.
Trust me, everything will be easy when you participate.
| tuskenraider | 04-16-2006 11:14 AM |
[QUOTE] The website just sucks. One of the worst I have ever seen anywhere, bar none. [/QUOTE] Might be a good idea to send your comments to the webmaster as they could use input from autox "noobs" to help improve it. FYI: The Chicago Region website received the first place award for best Jumbo Region site in the SCCA. I dunno, seems pretty intuitive to me by using the sitemap to the right which lists EVERYTHING on the site.
| Patrick L | 04-16-2006 03:18 PM |
I am the Solo Chair for NEOKLA. If they do that too us, I put them on my **** list. We make them work before they run and if they do it again. We ban them for the year.
| 4or2wheels | 04-23-2006 08:50 AM |
Working during a raceday is too much. I guess thats why I only do track days ( I pay more ) and dont do AutoX. I understand the Idea but its not my thing.
| H2OSB | 04-23-2006 04:57 PM |
[QUOTE=4or2wheels]Working during a raceday is too much. I guess thats why I only do track days ( I pay more ) and dont do AutoX. I understand the Idea but its not my thing.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if they do it this way everywhere, but the group I run with has four run groups, split by lunch. Even the opening event, which had SO many cars, I was out of there is 3 hours. You run one group and work the next, or work first and run the next. Ether way, it's not a huge time commitment.
H2OSB
I'm not sure if they do it this way everywhere, but the group I run with has four run groups, split by lunch. Even the opening event, which had SO many cars, I was out of there is 3 hours. You run one group and work the next, or work first and run the next. Ether way, it's not a huge time commitment.
H2OSB
| yosemitemtb | 04-23-2006 06:42 PM |
[QUOTE=H2OSB]I'm not sure if they do it this way everywhere, but the group I run with has four run groups, split by lunch. Even the opening event, which had SO many cars, I was out of there is 3 hours. You run one group and work the next, or work first and run the next. Ether way, it's not a huge time commitment.
H2OSB[/QUOTE]
That was a huge event by our standards, the most ever I think I heard. I don't remember the car count but it was a lot. The last one was 101 cars, a much more manageable number. Too bad it may have been the last race at Castle, word is the airport is kicking us out so they can re activate that area.
H2OSB[/QUOTE]
That was a huge event by our standards, the most ever I think I heard. I don't remember the car count but it was a lot. The last one was 101 cars, a much more manageable number. Too bad it may have been the last race at Castle, word is the airport is kicking us out so they can re activate that area.
| Kostamojen | 04-23-2006 08:39 PM |
I like working the course. I learn almost as much as I do driving it... I actually prefere to work first, so I can watch the course and learn it better, and even develop some stradegies by watching the folks putting out the quickest times.
| H2OSB | 04-23-2006 10:35 PM |
[QUOTE=yosemitemtb]Too bad it may have been the last race at Castle, word is the airport is kicking us out so they can re activate that area.[/QUOTE]
That would be too bad. Where would the Fresno guys go if Castle was out? Is it possible to use another part of the base? I've run in three different sections of that base over the years. One was on the extreme other end from where we are now.
Another place with a lot of space is Crows Landing Naval Air Station. Every now and then some branch of the military comes through and kicks whatever group of racers out saying the base will be used again, but it's never happened.
Sorry for hijacking this thread.
H2OSB
That would be too bad. Where would the Fresno guys go if Castle was out? Is it possible to use another part of the base? I've run in three different sections of that base over the years. One was on the extreme other end from where we are now.
Another place with a lot of space is Crows Landing Naval Air Station. Every now and then some branch of the military comes through and kicks whatever group of racers out saying the base will be used again, but it's never happened.
Sorry for hijacking this thread.
H2OSB
| mykrrrr | 04-23-2006 11:11 PM |
We get this w/our rallycross events. Some people just don't feel it's their duty. It's been made clear in open forums that they're not welcome back if they don't help out. Luckily, we get people who don't even run coming out to help which is VERY cool.
As for shagging cones @ our solo events...that's way beneath me. :p I've opted to be all time tech guy this year...2006 Chief of Tech - Detroit Region SCCA. :lol: As Scooby South said "when I am done...I am done." :thumbsup:
As for shagging cones @ our solo events...that's way beneath me. :p I've opted to be all time tech guy this year...2006 Chief of Tech - Detroit Region SCCA. :lol: As Scooby South said "when I am done...I am done." :thumbsup:
| WRXedUSA | 04-23-2006 11:17 PM |
There are a lot of different issues and topics here.
1. You mention these folks were prominent, national experienced drivers that didnt care about times, and just used it as a test-tune session. They in turn bombed out on what you thought was their working duty.
Question #1 : As mentioned above, are you positively SURE that they are not involved with some of the behind the scenes work?
Question #2: Does your region have required run-work schedules for heat formats?
2. As these folks are 'prominent' or put in their time per se, sometimes politicking in local clubs gives these folk a 'get out of jail card' which allows them to get out of the dirty work that laymen have to do to further there racing career and represent the local region nationally.
3. SCCA should be about "Put in what you take out" cooperative. But, it is also a business. They can't blacklist someone that blatantly without figuring what they are losing in fees and proceeds from the National office on the regions cut from there dues.
Summary:
What you are seeing is probably political.
1. You mention these folks were prominent, national experienced drivers that didnt care about times, and just used it as a test-tune session. They in turn bombed out on what you thought was their working duty.
Question #1 : As mentioned above, are you positively SURE that they are not involved with some of the behind the scenes work?
Question #2: Does your region have required run-work schedules for heat formats?
2. As these folks are 'prominent' or put in their time per se, sometimes politicking in local clubs gives these folk a 'get out of jail card' which allows them to get out of the dirty work that laymen have to do to further there racing career and represent the local region nationally.
3. SCCA should be about "Put in what you take out" cooperative. But, it is also a business. They can't blacklist someone that blatantly without figuring what they are losing in fees and proceeds from the National office on the regions cut from there dues.
Summary:
What you are seeing is probably political.
| wm07 | 04-24-2006 01:01 AM |
[QUOTE=yosemitemtb]That was a huge event by our standards, the most ever I think I heard. I don't remember the car count but it was a lot. The last one was 101 cars, a much more manageable number. Too bad it may have been the last race at Castle, word is the airport is kicking us out so they can re activate that area.[/QUOTE]
Is this really true? so what will happen to the national event next year? hopefully the new location will be closer to the Bay Area haha :devil:
Is this really true? so what will happen to the national event next year? hopefully the new location will be closer to the Bay Area haha :devil:
| jcroy66 | 04-24-2006 10:49 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]What you are seeing is probably political.[/QUOTE]Oh! So you're saying that I shouldn't work at any local events anymore, since I'm a prestigious national driver. I should just sit on the sidelines and grace everyone with my presence. Everyone can merely hope they are worthy to worship at my feet. :D Uh huh, sure. Sorry, but I've never seen any events work like that, in any of the regions I visit. :huh: :rolleyes:
Mind you, I almost never shag cones, but that's because I and other national drivers (in my experience) are also the ones most experienced with the specialty positions. T&S, safety steward, course design, starter, tech, registration, audit, waivers (since national drivers have to be SCCA members but many local-only drivers are not SCCA members), etc. I'd actually like to go to an event and just shag cones some time. It'd be a relaxing change of pace. :p But that almost never happens, because there's almost always a shortage of people that can do the specialty jobs.
At one recent event, they didn't need a SSS, so they volunteered me to be starter instead. Partway through, someone else came to relieve me at starter, because they were having T&S difficulties and hoped I could help them out with that instead!
Mind you, I almost never shag cones, but that's because I and other national drivers (in my experience) are also the ones most experienced with the specialty positions. T&S, safety steward, course design, starter, tech, registration, audit, waivers (since national drivers have to be SCCA members but many local-only drivers are not SCCA members), etc. I'd actually like to go to an event and just shag cones some time. It'd be a relaxing change of pace. :p But that almost never happens, because there's almost always a shortage of people that can do the specialty jobs.
At one recent event, they didn't need a SSS, so they volunteered me to be starter instead. Partway through, someone else came to relieve me at starter, because they were having T&S difficulties and hoped I could help them out with that instead!
| KC | 04-24-2006 11:04 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]Oh! So you're saying that I shouldn't work at any local events anymore, since I'm a prestigious national driver. I should just sit on the sidelines and grace everyone with my presence. Everyone can merely hope they are worthy to worship at my feet. :D Uh huh, sure. Sorry, but I've never seen any events work like that, in any of the regions I visit. :huh: :rolleyes:
Mind you, I almost never shag cones, but that's because I and other national drivers (in my experience) are also the ones most experienced with the specialty positions. T&S, safety steward, course design, starter, tech, registration, audit, waivers (since national drivers have to be SCCA members but many local-only drivers are not SCCA members), etc. I'd actually like to go to an event and just shag cones some time. It'd be a relaxing change of pace. :p But that almost never happens, because there's almost always a shortage of people that can do the specialty jobs.
At one recent event, they didn't need a SSS, so they volunteered me to be starter instead. Partway through, someone else came to relieve me at starter, because they were having T&S difficulties and hoped I could help them out with that instead![/QUOTE]
Yep. I worked registration, and usually do. But then I'll also fill in on other positions where needed. No biggie. And when I'm not running, I'm usually taking rides as an instructor.
Yesterday *someone* did a run and covered the whole line/course with oil from a ruptured oil line in a CM car. I think we went through about a dozen bags of speedy dry doing the suffle, then trying to swwp it off.
My legs hurt, my arms hurt. And all I could do was look around and see 1/2 of the participants just standing around. Even when asked by the announcer to come out and help, some just continued their jabbering... the whole 'not my problem, I didn't so it'.
Yet, when you looked who was out helping, some of the less frequent participants were out there, but most if not all of the 'expereinced' autoxers were suffling and sweeping.
Mind you, I almost never shag cones, but that's because I and other national drivers (in my experience) are also the ones most experienced with the specialty positions. T&S, safety steward, course design, starter, tech, registration, audit, waivers (since national drivers have to be SCCA members but many local-only drivers are not SCCA members), etc. I'd actually like to go to an event and just shag cones some time. It'd be a relaxing change of pace. :p But that almost never happens, because there's almost always a shortage of people that can do the specialty jobs.
At one recent event, they didn't need a SSS, so they volunteered me to be starter instead. Partway through, someone else came to relieve me at starter, because they were having T&S difficulties and hoped I could help them out with that instead![/QUOTE]
Yep. I worked registration, and usually do. But then I'll also fill in on other positions where needed. No biggie. And when I'm not running, I'm usually taking rides as an instructor.
Yesterday *someone* did a run and covered the whole line/course with oil from a ruptured oil line in a CM car. I think we went through about a dozen bags of speedy dry doing the suffle, then trying to swwp it off.
My legs hurt, my arms hurt. And all I could do was look around and see 1/2 of the participants just standing around. Even when asked by the announcer to come out and help, some just continued their jabbering... the whole 'not my problem, I didn't so it'.
Yet, when you looked who was out helping, some of the less frequent participants were out there, but most if not all of the 'expereinced' autoxers were suffling and sweeping.
| WRXedUSA | 04-24-2006 11:13 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]Oh! So you're saying that I shouldn't work at any local events anymore, since I'm a prestigious national driver. I should just sit on the sidelines and grace everyone with my presence. Everyone can merely hope they are worthy to worship at my feet. :D Uh huh, sure. Sorry, but I've never seen any events work like that, in any of the regions I visit. :huh: :rolleyes:
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Well, if you have never experienced this behavior, consider yourself blessed!
[/QUOTE]
Well, if you have never experienced this behavior, consider yourself blessed!
| CamaroFS34 | 04-24-2006 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Well, if you have never experienced this behavior, consider yourself blessed![/QUOTE]
It would be interesting if you would name names, because most of the Nationals people I know wouldn't be the kind to "pull rank" so to speak.
I know I was bored yesterday afternoon, so instead of going home and taking a nap, I asked the T&S chief if there was anything else I could do (I'd run in the morning session). He asked, "No chance you know AXWare, is there?" When I laughed and said, "Who do you think bought AXWare for the NASA-Va program?" he thought I was a godsend, and I ended up running the computer for part of the afternoon. When they were short on workers during that same session, I sent the person assigned to timing radio out to help while I worked the computer and fielded the radio at the same time (which evidently I'm not supposed to be able to do).
And, more importantly, every other National competitor I saw there was helping out too -- helping novices, helping with course, helping with tech, etc. It sounds like you have a prima donna in your midst, or you're missing something (ie., working tech, course design, etc.) like some others have mentioned.
Karen
It would be interesting if you would name names, because most of the Nationals people I know wouldn't be the kind to "pull rank" so to speak.
I know I was bored yesterday afternoon, so instead of going home and taking a nap, I asked the T&S chief if there was anything else I could do (I'd run in the morning session). He asked, "No chance you know AXWare, is there?" When I laughed and said, "Who do you think bought AXWare for the NASA-Va program?" he thought I was a godsend, and I ended up running the computer for part of the afternoon. When they were short on workers during that same session, I sent the person assigned to timing radio out to help while I worked the computer and fielded the radio at the same time (which evidently I'm not supposed to be able to do).
And, more importantly, every other National competitor I saw there was helping out too -- helping novices, helping with course, helping with tech, etc. It sounds like you have a prima donna in your midst, or you're missing something (ie., working tech, course design, etc.) like some others have mentioned.
Karen
| jcroy66 | 04-24-2006 11:26 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Well, if you have never experienced this behavior, consider yourself blessed![/QUOTE]Oh, I've certainly seen some people act like they SHOULD be treated that way. I just haven't seen it treated as normal and/or acceptable.
| AUTOwrXER | 04-24-2006 11:28 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Yesterday *someone* did a run and covered the whole line/course with oil from a ruptured oil line in a CM car. [/QUOTE]
Nate?
Nate?
| WRXedUSA | 04-24-2006 11:31 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]It would be interesting if you would name names, because most of the Nationals people I know wouldn't be the kind to "pull rank" so to speak.
And, more importantly, every other National competitor I saw there was helping out too -- helping novices, helping with course, helping with tech, etc. It sounds like you have a prima donna in your midst, or you're missing something (ie., working tech, course design, etc.) like some others have mentioned.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Numerous people over the years that have gone to numerous kinds of SCCA events (Club racing, Divisonals, nationals, pro-solos). I'm not missing a thing either as our region does not run set worker assignments. One year (and it happens occasionally), it got the point where a few people would show up, run thier 4 runs back to back early in the morning, pack up and leave by 1pm and not work a thing. (No heats).
And, more importantly, every other National competitor I saw there was helping out too -- helping novices, helping with course, helping with tech, etc. It sounds like you have a prima donna in your midst, or you're missing something (ie., working tech, course design, etc.) like some others have mentioned.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Numerous people over the years that have gone to numerous kinds of SCCA events (Club racing, Divisonals, nationals, pro-solos). I'm not missing a thing either as our region does not run set worker assignments. One year (and it happens occasionally), it got the point where a few people would show up, run thier 4 runs back to back early in the morning, pack up and leave by 1pm and not work a thing. (No heats).
| KC | 04-24-2006 12:37 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]Nate?[/QUOTE]
Maybe. :p
I need to give him a hard time, because it wasn't his doing. There was no red flag... and here couldn't see what was going on behind him in the engine.
Looked like he was crop dusting. :D (If this makes him look in the rearview mirror every now and then, it'll make him slower, and me faster for Pax.) :lol:
Maybe. :p
I need to give him a hard time, because it wasn't his doing. There was no red flag... and here couldn't see what was going on behind him in the engine.
Looked like he was crop dusting. :D (If this makes him look in the rearview mirror every now and then, it'll make him slower, and me faster for Pax.) :lol:
| KC | 04-24-2006 12:38 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Numerous people over the years that have gone to numerous kinds of SCCA events (Club racing, Divisonals, nationals, pro-solos). I'm not missing a thing either as our region does not run set worker assignments. One year (and it happens occasionally), it got the point where a few people would show up, run thier 4 runs back to back early in the morning, pack up and leave by 1pm and not work a thing. (No heats).[/QUOTE]
We set up worker assignments that day with a worker check in sheet. We have someone check-in workers before they go out to their assignments.
It works to see who's skipping.
We set up worker assignments that day with a worker check in sheet. We have someone check-in workers before they go out to their assignments.
It works to see who's skipping.
| CamaroFS34 | 04-24-2006 03:11 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]...our region does not run set worker assignments. One year (and it happens occasionally), it got the point where a few people would show up, run thier 4 runs back to back early in the morning, pack up and leave by 1pm and not work a thing. (No heats).[/QUOTE]
Well, not to pick on your club, but if there are no consequences for those who skip, then really, whose fault is it?
It used to be that the DC region didn't require people to work. It got to the point where I refused to go to the events, because I was one of the people who -- because I am too nice -- would get exploited into working every heat except for the one I was competing in. Because I couldn't say no when the chairman asked if I could help out for yet another heat (because I wanted the event to go on), I would end up completely and thoroughly dead by the end of the day. I remember the crap that went on when they first started requiring people to work. Some people raised holy hell in NAP and a local autocross rag, the Stopwatcher, over being recorded as DNW. But, in the end, they either got over it, or they stopped participating in DC events.
Karen
Well, not to pick on your club, but if there are no consequences for those who skip, then really, whose fault is it?
It used to be that the DC region didn't require people to work. It got to the point where I refused to go to the events, because I was one of the people who -- because I am too nice -- would get exploited into working every heat except for the one I was competing in. Because I couldn't say no when the chairman asked if I could help out for yet another heat (because I wanted the event to go on), I would end up completely and thoroughly dead by the end of the day. I remember the crap that went on when they first started requiring people to work. Some people raised holy hell in NAP and a local autocross rag, the Stopwatcher, over being recorded as DNW. But, in the end, they either got over it, or they stopped participating in DC events.
Karen
| conemark | 04-24-2006 06:13 PM |
If there is one thing I absolutely detest in a volunteer run organization, it's exactly this.
I make it a point during registration and the driver's meeting that our events are "work-run" events; everyone has to complete some sort of work assignment. I don't make a point of addressing the person who decides to ditch a work assignment. When doing worker check-in, if someone doesn't show up they go on the "list". I also share this information with other local clubs and let their registrars decide on whether or not they will allow this person to participate in their events.
The names of those who ditch are duly noted and when they show up at a future event, they're told they are not welcome to participate and why. I don't waste my time trying to e-mail them prior to the event; our small but dedicated core-group of workers do enough work prior to the first car breaking the timing lights. I figure the message will be loud and clear when they are denied entry.
If a satisfactory explanation is given as to why they were unable to check-in or complete their work assignment, they will be given the opportunity to do a double-work assignment and have the slate wiped clean for the future. Obviously exceptions are made for emergency cases; one person recently had a family emergency to attend to and sure enough not only did a double, but a triple work assignment.
I make it a point during registration and the driver's meeting that our events are "work-run" events; everyone has to complete some sort of work assignment. I don't make a point of addressing the person who decides to ditch a work assignment. When doing worker check-in, if someone doesn't show up they go on the "list". I also share this information with other local clubs and let their registrars decide on whether or not they will allow this person to participate in their events.
The names of those who ditch are duly noted and when they show up at a future event, they're told they are not welcome to participate and why. I don't waste my time trying to e-mail them prior to the event; our small but dedicated core-group of workers do enough work prior to the first car breaking the timing lights. I figure the message will be loud and clear when they are denied entry.
If a satisfactory explanation is given as to why they were unable to check-in or complete their work assignment, they will be given the opportunity to do a double-work assignment and have the slate wiped clean for the future. Obviously exceptions are made for emergency cases; one person recently had a family emergency to attend to and sure enough not only did a double, but a triple work assignment.
| racerjon1 | 04-24-2006 06:25 PM |
I say that we let these guys that don't want to work, go ahead and sit out. But, their entry fees should be $350 each, that way I can get paid for my extra shifts.
I don't mind working more than one group, (which I do often) helping with tech, timing, set-up, etc.. It is fun to work with my friends to put on an event. I understand if you don't want to work many sessions, but I do hold people to working at least one session.
In SC region we do the checklist thing, if you are not checked off, no results, two times, we are going to tell you not to come back. So far we have had a few with no results, but no-one has tested us on the go home part of the equation.
Jon K
[url]www.racerjon.com[/url]
I don't mind working more than one group, (which I do often) helping with tech, timing, set-up, etc.. It is fun to work with my friends to put on an event. I understand if you don't want to work many sessions, but I do hold people to working at least one session.
In SC region we do the checklist thing, if you are not checked off, no results, two times, we are going to tell you not to come back. So far we have had a few with no results, but no-one has tested us on the go home part of the equation.
Jon K
[url]www.racerjon.com[/url]
| 8Complex | 04-24-2006 06:27 PM |
Very simple... tag them for next time and make them work before they run.
| yosemitemtb | 04-27-2006 09:25 AM |
Just to clear up a question a few posts above, the scofflaws in question didn't get out of work politically. The results sheet clearly had them marked as "DNW" for did not work. I'm really over this, I just needed to rant about it a couple of weeks ago.
And about losing Castle as a site, from what I understand, it's all but gone. Fresno chapters next event is 5/20 at the Fresno Fairgrounds.
And about losing Castle as a site, from what I understand, it's all but gone. Fresno chapters next event is 5/20 at the Fresno Fairgrounds.
| Georgethefierce | 04-27-2006 02:41 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]
My legs hurt, my arms hurt. And all I could do was look around and see 1/2 of the participants just standing around. Even when asked by the announcer to come out and help, some just continued their jabbering... the whole 'not my problem, I didn't so it'.
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like you couldn't use the exercise....
I left after "someone" oiled down the entire course as I had already done my work assignment
My legs hurt, my arms hurt. And all I could do was look around and see 1/2 of the participants just standing around. Even when asked by the announcer to come out and help, some just continued their jabbering... the whole 'not my problem, I didn't so it'.
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like you couldn't use the exercise....
I left after "someone" oiled down the entire course as I had already done my work assignment
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