| WagonMonster | 10-13-2005 02:38 PM |
Cheese Eating Rally Monkeys! : Rally France Starts Friday! (10/21)
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I've always liked Tarmac Rallies, especially when it rains! :banana:
Let's see how the Super-Secret Subaru Suspension Changes do on the sealed surface.
Let's see how the Super-Secret Subaru Suspension Changes do on the sealed surface.
| WRXedUSA | 10-13-2005 03:02 PM |
IBsomeoneputsarockontheroadasthe#5carisabouttopass.
Pirelli is going to get own3d again. Markko is sitting out the rest of the season. The fun part to watch will be Bernardi in the 307 and Sarrazin in the Impreza.
Loeb of course won't hold anything back.
Pirelli is going to get own3d again. Markko is sitting out the rest of the season. The fun part to watch will be Bernardi in the 307 and Sarrazin in the Impreza.
Loeb of course won't hold anything back.
| AdvanSTI | 10-13-2005 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]IBsomeoneputsarockontheroadasthe#5carisabouttopass.
Pirelli is going to get own3d again. Markko is sitting out the rest of the season. The fun part to watch will be Bernardi in the 307 and Sarrazin in the Impreza.
Loeb of course won't hold anything back.[/QUOTE]
lol a rock. :lol:
i bet loeb will
A.) going to be a panzy now that he has the championship.
B.) Push super hard and dominate
C.) crash and... and bail out on the event and have the media make it seem noble. like he gave the wins to the other guys.
Pirelli is going to get own3d again. Markko is sitting out the rest of the season. The fun part to watch will be Bernardi in the 307 and Sarrazin in the Impreza.
Loeb of course won't hold anything back.[/QUOTE]
lol a rock. :lol:
i bet loeb will
A.) going to be a panzy now that he has the championship.
B.) Push super hard and dominate
C.) crash and... and bail out on the event and have the media make it seem noble. like he gave the wins to the other guys.
| 8Complex | 10-13-2005 03:45 PM |
Yay! A date in the thread title! :p
And just because noone else does it... [b]GO SKODA!![/b]
And just because noone else does it... [b]GO SKODA!![/b]
| WagonMonster | 10-13-2005 05:28 PM |
[QUOTE=8Complex]Yay! A date in the thread title! :p
And just because noone else does it... [b]GO SKODA!![/b][/QUOTE]
I did that just for your whiny little ass :)
And just because noone else does it... [b]GO SKODA!![/b][/QUOTE]
I did that just for your whiny little ass :)
| LOLSTi | 10-14-2005 12:32 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]IBsomeoneputsarockontheroadasthe#5carisabouttopass.
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no dude it's france.
IBsomeonerelocatestheeiffeltowerintheroadas#5passes
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no dude it's france.
IBsomeonerelocatestheeiffeltowerintheroadas#5passes
| Predwolf | 10-14-2005 01:37 AM |
Wheee...go petter?
| Protege Menace | 10-14-2005 01:53 AM |
dammit, why do the rallies always have to coincide with american rallies?
| WRXedUSA | 10-14-2005 09:17 AM |
More Petter bantering on WRC.com.
He's predicting a podium and improved tire construction/compounds.
He's predicting a podium and improved tire construction/compounds.
| 8Complex | 10-14-2005 09:33 AM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]I did that just for your whiny little ass :)[/QUOTE]
Ask my girlfriend... it doesn't whine, it kinda roars. Oh, and stinks. ;)
Ask my girlfriend... it doesn't whine, it kinda roars. Oh, and stinks. ;)
| Rallycarperson | 10-14-2005 06:23 PM |
My ass doesn't roar. :(
I hope it rains bad...so the Pirellis will have an advantage. It's Petter's only hope.
~Mark
I hope it rains bad...so the Pirellis will have an advantage. It's Petter's only hope.
~Mark
| WRXedUSA | 10-18-2005 05:55 PM |
Recently, they have had labor riots in regards to privatizing the ferry boat business in Ajaccio. I wonder if they will quell this issue before the rally.
| iwanbo | 10-19-2005 08:39 AM |
I'm interested in seeing how the new Impreza suspension change works on tarmac.
I think that Loeb, since it's his home course, is going to push hard. As for Spain and Australia, I think he will still push hard. Just because he has the drivers title, doesn't mean that they have the manuf. title. I don't think he'll have to push as hard as he has been, since I think only Gronholm will pull in points for the Peugeot, where-as Duval and Loeb both will be pulling in points for Citreon.
I think that Loeb, since it's his home course, is going to push hard. As for Spain and Australia, I think he will still push hard. Just because he has the drivers title, doesn't mean that they have the manuf. title. I don't think he'll have to push as hard as he has been, since I think only Gronholm will pull in points for the Peugeot, where-as Duval and Loeb both will be pulling in points for Citreon.
| datageek | 10-20-2005 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Recently, they have had labor riots in regards to privatizing the ferry boat business in Ajaccio. I wonder if they will quell this issue before the rally.[/QUOTE]
There was some question on whether the rally would be able to proceed (since everything is boated to and from Corsica -- and particularly since there isn't any room in the schedule for things to get hung up moving between Corsica and Catalunya.) But apparently the FIA reached an understanding with the ferry union to gurantee transit for the FIA stuff. All the equipment arrived in Ajaccio last Saturday, with the Service Park being set up on time on Monday/Tuesday.
How do I know all this? [URL=http://www.corse-du-sud.cci.fr/port/webcam.htm]Live webcam on the Service Park!!![/URL] :banana: How cool is that? (Okay, so I'm easily amused -- particularly in the middle of the night when I'm staying up to follow the rally!)
All the WRC stuff is to the left. Unfortunately, there isn't a good view on them. (Subaru's area is almost impossible to see, down in the lower left-hand corner, right next to the bridge.) Citreon's JWRC team should be happy, since their area is in clear view of the camera.
The weather has been damp so far. There was rain last night, and thunderstorms are predicted for tonight's Ceremonial Start. Showers are predicted for all day tomorrow, though the weather is supposed to clear up by Sunday. (Read: once again Loeb has done whatever it is that he has been doing all year and now the weather is doing exactly what favors him most. As usual.)
Loeb topped the Shakedown times, followed by Gronholm, and Petter tied with Gilles Panizzi for third fastest time.
There was some question on whether the rally would be able to proceed (since everything is boated to and from Corsica -- and particularly since there isn't any room in the schedule for things to get hung up moving between Corsica and Catalunya.) But apparently the FIA reached an understanding with the ferry union to gurantee transit for the FIA stuff. All the equipment arrived in Ajaccio last Saturday, with the Service Park being set up on time on Monday/Tuesday.
How do I know all this? [URL=http://www.corse-du-sud.cci.fr/port/webcam.htm]Live webcam on the Service Park!!![/URL] :banana: How cool is that? (Okay, so I'm easily amused -- particularly in the middle of the night when I'm staying up to follow the rally!)
All the WRC stuff is to the left. Unfortunately, there isn't a good view on them. (Subaru's area is almost impossible to see, down in the lower left-hand corner, right next to the bridge.) Citreon's JWRC team should be happy, since their area is in clear view of the camera.
The weather has been damp so far. There was rain last night, and thunderstorms are predicted for tonight's Ceremonial Start. Showers are predicted for all day tomorrow, though the weather is supposed to clear up by Sunday. (Read: once again Loeb has done whatever it is that he has been doing all year and now the weather is doing exactly what favors him most. As usual.)
Loeb topped the Shakedown times, followed by Gronholm, and Petter tied with Gilles Panizzi for third fastest time.
| Thumper23 | 10-21-2005 01:04 AM |
[QUOTE=Predwolf]Wheee...go petter?[/QUOTE]
yes, that sounds like a good idea
Go Petter :banana:
yes, that sounds like a good idea
Go Petter :banana:
| XenoWolf | 10-21-2005 07:58 AM |
Le chr�st.. as of SS2 Loeb already has a 27 second lead. :(
| WRXedUSA | 10-21-2005 09:16 AM |
Atkinson retired (Gearbox)
This is the 3rd gearbox problem SWRT has had this year. I wonder why so many, I can't remember this many in the past.
This is the 3rd gearbox problem SWRT has had this year. I wonder why so many, I can't remember this many in the past.
| datageek | 10-21-2005 10:29 AM |
Quote from Timo Rautiainen (Marcus Gronholm's codriver):
"We are missing third gear, and we cannot move the car. There has been a fire under the bonnet but we are stuck in the time control so we cannot open it up. We need good advice now."
*laughs*
I'm not sure if they got their "good advice" or not. Last I heard they got the car out of the time control, but they may not be able to get it back to service, so they may need to superrally.
Considering how poorly Subaru usually does on tarmac rounds I guess holding fifth and sixth isn't too bad. It would be nice if Pirelli could manage a decent dry tarmac tire sometime.
"We are missing third gear, and we cannot move the car. There has been a fire under the bonnet but we are stuck in the time control so we cannot open it up. We need good advice now."
*laughs*
I'm not sure if they got their "good advice" or not. Last I heard they got the car out of the time control, but they may not be able to get it back to service, so they may need to superrally.
Considering how poorly Subaru usually does on tarmac rounds I guess holding fifth and sixth isn't too bad. It would be nice if Pirelli could manage a decent dry tarmac tire sometime.
| XenoWolf | 10-22-2005 04:27 PM |
(As of SS8) Woo-hoo! Solberg is REAL close to Gardemeister for second place... and what happened to Gronholm?
| WRXedUSA | 10-22-2005 05:40 PM |
Gronholm retired with a slow oil leak, engine failure.
Petter is doing real well. I'm also impressed with Alex Bengue in the Skoda hanging tough. Sarrazin is not to far back.
Loeb is the man, wow, 1:30 lead?? Unreal. I can't remember the last time he stuffed acar in the ditch. He is a legend.
Petter is doing real well. I'm also impressed with Alex Bengue in the Skoda hanging tough. Sarrazin is not to far back.
Loeb is the man, wow, 1:30 lead?? Unreal. I can't remember the last time he stuffed acar in the ditch. He is a legend.
| XenoWolf | 10-22-2005 05:50 PM |
He almost stuffed it into a cow... :lol:
| FastSS | 10-23-2005 03:40 AM |
Roger that
I bet Gronholm is really happy right now.
You know, next year with him in a Ford, Subaru seems to have figured out their stuff, and Loeb driving god knows what... it might be a really neat year.
Should be awesome.
I'm using an HTPC to record the Speed coverage so after I edit out the commercials, I will try to post it up
I bet Gronholm is really happy right now.
You know, next year with him in a Ford, Subaru seems to have figured out their stuff, and Loeb driving god knows what... it might be a really neat year.
Should be awesome.
I'm using an HTPC to record the Speed coverage so after I edit out the commercials, I will try to post it up
| Rallycarperson | 10-23-2005 10:55 AM |
Loeb has won every stage in the rally. :eek: Unreal...
~Mark
~Mark
| Jonnyfilmboy | 10-23-2005 10:57 AM |
Anyone planning on posting a download of this rally online here somewhere? Pleaseeeeeeee??
| WRXedUSA | 10-23-2005 11:26 AM |
Loeb (Citroen)
Gardemeister (Ford)
Solberg (Subaru)
Sarrazin (Subaru)
Kresta (Ford)
Bengue (Skoda)
Pons (Citroen)
Bernardi (Peugeot)
Loeb beat 2nd place by 1:50 seconds. Wow.
Gardemeister (Ford)
Solberg (Subaru)
Sarrazin (Subaru)
Kresta (Ford)
Bengue (Skoda)
Pons (Citroen)
Bernardi (Peugeot)
Loeb beat 2nd place by 1:50 seconds. Wow.
| Thumper23 | 10-23-2005 08:18 PM |
the man isn't human, he's a machine
| iwanbo | 10-23-2005 09:08 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Loeb (Citroen)
Gardemeister (Ford)
Solberg (Subaru)
Sarrazin (Subaru)
Kresta (Ford)
Bengue (Skoda)
Pons (Citroen)
Bernardi (Peugeot)
Loeb beat 2nd place by 1:50 seconds. Wow.[/QUOTE]
Seeing Sarrazin in 4th place makes me happy :)
Bengue as well, glad to see Skoda finally was able to get some points after a bunch of disapointing rounds.
Gardemeister (Ford)
Solberg (Subaru)
Sarrazin (Subaru)
Kresta (Ford)
Bengue (Skoda)
Pons (Citroen)
Bernardi (Peugeot)
Loeb beat 2nd place by 1:50 seconds. Wow.[/QUOTE]
Seeing Sarrazin in 4th place makes me happy :)
Bengue as well, glad to see Skoda finally was able to get some points after a bunch of disapointing rounds.
| Patrick L | 10-23-2005 10:46 PM |
I was watching the Speed News highlights. They might show this. When Marcus retired after gearbox falure. He is shown getting a beer at some stand.
| iwanbo | 10-23-2005 10:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Top_Dog]I was watching the Speed News highlights. They might show this. When Marcus retired after gearbox falure. He is shown getting a beer at some stand.[/QUOTE]
He went over to where some fans were standing and got one. His co-driver joined him as well. If you can get a hold of the euro-sport coverage day-by-day (that's what I do), the beginning of day two it showed that clip of him again going over and grabbing a beer from a fan.
[img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1439/gronholm18jb.jpg[/img]
He went over to where some fans were standing and got one. His co-driver joined him as well. If you can get a hold of the euro-sport coverage day-by-day (that's what I do), the beginning of day two it showed that clip of him again going over and grabbing a beer from a fan.
[img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1439/gronholm18jb.jpg[/img]
| datageek | 10-23-2005 11:53 PM |
[QUOTE=iwanbo] If you can get a hold of the euro-sport coverage day-by-day (that's what I do)[/QUOTE]
Where do you get the Eurosport feed from??
Where do you get the Eurosport feed from??
| iwanbo | 10-24-2005 12:00 AM |
The Internet [img]http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5838/emotq2vt.gif[/img]
I use a private bittorrent tracker so I can't give out the info :(
I'd love to share them with you all here, but I don't think that's kosher around here.
I use a private bittorrent tracker so I can't give out the info :(
I'd love to share them with you all here, but I don't think that's kosher around here.
| FastSS | 10-24-2005 12:33 AM |
Frenchness aside, Loeb put in one hell of a drive.
Its a shame Duval is a goober and cant drive
I'm sure Gronholm is in a great mood
Hey, got an idea, lets make sure to test garbage gear boxes on our top drivers car.
Its a shame Duval is a goober and cant drive
I'm sure Gronholm is in a great mood
Hey, got an idea, lets make sure to test garbage gear boxes on our top drivers car.
| LOLSTi | 10-24-2005 12:45 AM |
Seemed like a decent rally aside from the Gronholm debace.
Sorry to say for Petter's sake, but Loeb > *.
Sorry to say for Petter's sake, but Loeb > *.
| WRX-pilot | 10-24-2005 12:56 AM |
[QUOTE=iwanbo]He went over to where some fans were standing and got one. His co-driver joined him as well. If you can get a hold of the euro-sport coverage day-by-day (that's what I do), the beginning of day two it showed that clip of him again going over and grabbing a beer from a fan.
[img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1439/gronholm18jb.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
That part was so awesome! But on the other hand as a role model I don't think its a good idea to show that you are drinking when things start going to crap. Just my 2 cents.
Also, the camera angle they used on speed channel made it look like he was trying to make love to his car. Yeah, I'm immature but it did look weird :D
[img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1439/gronholm18jb.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
That part was so awesome! But on the other hand as a role model I don't think its a good idea to show that you are drinking when things start going to crap. Just my 2 cents.
Also, the camera angle they used on speed channel made it look like he was trying to make love to his car. Yeah, I'm immature but it did look weird :D
| FaastLegacy | 10-24-2005 01:34 AM |
[QUOTE=WRX-pilot]That part was so awesome! But on the other hand as a role model I don't think its a good idea to show that you are drinking when things start going to crap. Just my 2 cents.
Also, the camera angle they used on speed channel made it look like he was trying to make love to his car. Yeah, I'm immature but it did look weird :D[/QUOTE]
Dude I thought the same thing when he was trying to push it, looked like pelvic thrusts to me.
Also, the camera angle they used on speed channel made it look like he was trying to make love to his car. Yeah, I'm immature but it did look weird :D[/QUOTE]
Dude I thought the same thing when he was trying to push it, looked like pelvic thrusts to me.
| bemani | 10-24-2005 01:54 AM |
Who edited the show???? After stage 10, they showed the service park activities, then Nicky Grist telling people Seb has won every stage before they even shown the last 2 stages. What the ... Fire the editor!
Good old Marcus, never bother to hide his disgust with the 307. Now that he's signed with Ford for next year, he doesn't even have to put up with Peugeot. I love the bit that he just grabbed a beer and flew home. "Screw you guys, I'm going home!" :lol:
Good old Marcus, never bother to hide his disgust with the 307. Now that he's signed with Ford for next year, he doesn't even have to put up with Peugeot. I love the bit that he just grabbed a beer and flew home. "Screw you guys, I'm going home!" :lol:
| FaastLegacy | 10-24-2005 02:02 AM |
Petter had me cracking up after he stalled it.
"After the gearbox problems we had on the last stage, they tell me launch normally. I get in here and what do I do, I turn everything to automatic."
Nice to see Petter in a good mood after Japan.
"After the gearbox problems we had on the last stage, they tell me launch normally. I get in here and what do I do, I turn everything to automatic."
Nice to see Petter in a good mood after Japan.
| pignoseWRX | 10-24-2005 04:56 AM |
oh the irony...
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despite swerving to avoid a wild pig that ran in front of his car, Petter Solberg recorded the third fastest time and closed to within nine seconds of Duval on the leaderboard...
| WRXedUSA | 10-24-2005 09:49 AM |
Gronholm is one of the mose amicable personalities of the WRC. He's so funny.
I'd be curious to hear Armin's excuse for withdrawing for tire wear!
I'd be curious to hear Armin's excuse for withdrawing for tire wear!
| skuttledude | 10-24-2005 10:05 AM |
Loeb is truly amazing.
A few years ago I said he's just a tarmac specialist and would be a nobody in the loose stuff. Amazing how good this guy is on all levels.
On Tarmac, nobody is even close!
A few years ago I said he's just a tarmac specialist and would be a nobody in the loose stuff. Amazing how good this guy is on all levels.
On Tarmac, nobody is even close!
| Mopho | 10-24-2005 12:14 PM |
[QUOTE=Davis K Powers]Loeb is truly amazing.
A few years ago I said he's just a tarmac specialist and would be a nobody in the loose stuff. Amazing how good this guy is on all levels.
On Tarmac, nobody is even close![/QUOTE]
No denying his talent but it's arguably as much the car, and apparently he believes so too, so much so that he is afraid to leave the marque and go to another team. It seems he has to drive a Citroen, though it will be interesting to see if the private team has the budget and knowledge to keep him winning next year
A few years ago I said he's just a tarmac specialist and would be a nobody in the loose stuff. Amazing how good this guy is on all levels.
On Tarmac, nobody is even close![/QUOTE]
No denying his talent but it's arguably as much the car, and apparently he believes so too, so much so that he is afraid to leave the marque and go to another team. It seems he has to drive a Citroen, though it will be interesting to see if the private team has the budget and knowledge to keep him winning next year
| steev | 10-24-2005 12:52 PM |
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I somewhat disagree with the previous statement regarding Loeb having to stay at Citroen in order to do well because the Xsara is a faster car. He had offers from Ford and Subaru in 2003 and decided to stay loyal to the Marque.
His loyalty is due to the fact that Citroen gave him a chance when nobody else would (otherwise, he would still be working at a garage in Alsace). Citroen is also a French brand, and I am sure that having a team of engineers that speak the same language you do makes a big difference in the subtleties of car setup. There is also no shame in wanting to stay with a French team, enough with the unsubstantiated French bashing, please! I know in the US, we like our guys and tecnology to win, so let's extend that understanding elsewhere.
The only thing I can give to the Xsara is the fact that it has been extremely reliable so far and that it seems to out-handle the rest of the cars on tarmac. Now, when it comes to gravel events, the rest of the cars are as fast in my opinion. Remember, if it wasn't for reliability problems, both Peugeot and Subaru would have had much better results this year. Lastly, I don't think someone can win 9 rallies just based on the fact that their car is faster than the others. If that were the case, other teams and drivers would be crediting victories on the car and not the driver. So far, everyone has been fair play in that respect. Furthermore, when was the last time Loeb made a driving mistake that cost him a podium?
I don't mean to belittle Gronholm or Solberg, but the best driver right now is definitely Loeb. Now, those things may/will change, but I bet we will hear a lot more about Gronholm's good form than Petter's next year. No offence, just my opinion...
His loyalty is due to the fact that Citroen gave him a chance when nobody else would (otherwise, he would still be working at a garage in Alsace). Citroen is also a French brand, and I am sure that having a team of engineers that speak the same language you do makes a big difference in the subtleties of car setup. There is also no shame in wanting to stay with a French team, enough with the unsubstantiated French bashing, please! I know in the US, we like our guys and tecnology to win, so let's extend that understanding elsewhere.
The only thing I can give to the Xsara is the fact that it has been extremely reliable so far and that it seems to out-handle the rest of the cars on tarmac. Now, when it comes to gravel events, the rest of the cars are as fast in my opinion. Remember, if it wasn't for reliability problems, both Peugeot and Subaru would have had much better results this year. Lastly, I don't think someone can win 9 rallies just based on the fact that their car is faster than the others. If that were the case, other teams and drivers would be crediting victories on the car and not the driver. So far, everyone has been fair play in that respect. Furthermore, when was the last time Loeb made a driving mistake that cost him a podium?
I don't mean to belittle Gronholm or Solberg, but the best driver right now is definitely Loeb. Now, those things may/will change, but I bet we will hear a lot more about Gronholm's good form than Petter's next year. No offence, just my opinion...
| iwanbo | 10-24-2005 01:19 PM |
Steev has some good points. The Xsara is a good car, but it's reliability also is due in part of his (Loeb) driving style. He has a very smooth and flowing style, where-as Duval has a very aggresive style. They mentioned that when Duval was having brake problems and that if Loeb should worry if his Xsara should also, but due to his smooth driving style it didn't happen. Loeb is an amazing driver there is no doubt about that. It kind of irks me though that he's so good he doesn't lose, but I just can't bring myself to disliking him because he has such amazing talent.
I'm very interested in seeing what Loeb will be doing next season as far as a team goes. Last I knew/heard were the rumors of Loeb joining with Gronholm on the private team, but obviously Gronholm is now with Ford for next season. I haven't heard what Loeb was going to be doing though.
I'm very interested in seeing what Loeb will be doing next season as far as a team goes. Last I knew/heard were the rumors of Loeb joining with Gronholm on the private team, but obviously Gronholm is now with Ford for next season. I haven't heard what Loeb was going to be doing though.
| Mopho | 10-24-2005 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE]His loyalty is due to the fact that Citroen gave him a chance when nobody else would (otherwise, he would still be working at a garage in Alsace). Citroen is also a French brand, and I am sure that having a team of engineers that speak the same language you do makes a big difference in the subtleties of car setup. There is also no shame in wanting to stay with a French team, enough with the unsubstantiated French bashing, please! I know in the US, we like our guys and tecnology to win, so let's extend that understanding elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Who is French bashing? I never made any mention about the French.
Citroen quit the sport, so any personally loyalty for giving him a chance is out the door
Loeb could have just as well signed a one year deal with another manufacturer and gone back to Citroen if they come back. Instead he gave up likely better deals so he can stay in the same car, hmmm.....
[QUOTE=steev]I somewhat disagree with the previous statement regarding Loeb having to stay at Citroen in order to do well because the Xsara is a faster car. He had offers from Ford and Subaru in 2003 and decided to stay loyal to the Marque.
The only thing I can give to the Xsara is the fact that it has been extremely reliable so far and that it seems to out-handle the rest of the cars on tarmac. Now, when it comes to gravel events, the rest of the cars are as fast in my opinion. Remember, if it wasn't for reliability problems, both Peugeot and Subaru would have had much better results this year. Lastly, I don't think someone can win 9 rallies just based on the fact that their car is faster than the others. If that were the case, other teams and drivers would be crediting victories on the car and not the driver. So far, everyone has been fair play in that respect. Furthermore, when was the last time Loeb made a driving mistake that cost him a podium?
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You just reiterated my point, the car out handles the rest on both tarmac and gravel and it is more reliable. On top of that add the Michelin tires. All this adds up to an advantage. Loeb does not have to push as hard because of this and therefore does not make many mistakes.
Like I said, there is no doubt he is awesome, but with exception to a one makes series, rallying is a team sport and good results come from [b]combination[/b] of good car engineering, good support and a good driver. [b]Everything has to work right[/b]
If you have ever been to a WRC event it is clear that Citroen is spending WAY more money than the other teams
Look at Schumacher in F1, he was winning everything until a rule change took away Ferraris advantage and now he has trouble winning a race.
I say take away the car and Loeb is not much better, if at all, than the other dirvers
Who is French bashing? I never made any mention about the French.
Citroen quit the sport, so any personally loyalty for giving him a chance is out the door
Loeb could have just as well signed a one year deal with another manufacturer and gone back to Citroen if they come back. Instead he gave up likely better deals so he can stay in the same car, hmmm.....
[QUOTE=steev]I somewhat disagree with the previous statement regarding Loeb having to stay at Citroen in order to do well because the Xsara is a faster car. He had offers from Ford and Subaru in 2003 and decided to stay loyal to the Marque.
The only thing I can give to the Xsara is the fact that it has been extremely reliable so far and that it seems to out-handle the rest of the cars on tarmac. Now, when it comes to gravel events, the rest of the cars are as fast in my opinion. Remember, if it wasn't for reliability problems, both Peugeot and Subaru would have had much better results this year. Lastly, I don't think someone can win 9 rallies just based on the fact that their car is faster than the others. If that were the case, other teams and drivers would be crediting victories on the car and not the driver. So far, everyone has been fair play in that respect. Furthermore, when was the last time Loeb made a driving mistake that cost him a podium?
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You just reiterated my point, the car out handles the rest on both tarmac and gravel and it is more reliable. On top of that add the Michelin tires. All this adds up to an advantage. Loeb does not have to push as hard because of this and therefore does not make many mistakes.
Like I said, there is no doubt he is awesome, but with exception to a one makes series, rallying is a team sport and good results come from [b]combination[/b] of good car engineering, good support and a good driver. [b]Everything has to work right[/b]
If you have ever been to a WRC event it is clear that Citroen is spending WAY more money than the other teams
Look at Schumacher in F1, he was winning everything until a rule change took away Ferraris advantage and now he has trouble winning a race.
I say take away the car and Loeb is not much better, if at all, than the other dirvers
| Mopho | 10-24-2005 02:42 PM |
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I'm very interested in seeing what Loeb will be doing next season as far as a team goes. Last I knew/heard were the rumors of Loeb joining with Gronholm on the private team, but obviously Gronholm is now with Ford for next season. I haven't heard what Loeb was going to be doing though.[/QUOTE]
they said right on the show last night that Loeb is most likely going to the private team
I'm very interested in seeing what Loeb will be doing next season as far as a team goes. Last I knew/heard were the rumors of Loeb joining with Gronholm on the private team, but obviously Gronholm is now with Ford for next season. I haven't heard what Loeb was going to be doing though.[/QUOTE]
they said right on the show last night that Loeb is most likely going to the private team
| steev | 10-24-2005 04:02 PM |
Dear Mopho,
I was not accusing anyone of French bashing, but it seems clear from some posts I have read that there are some negative sentiments due to that factor. Now, as far as his loyalty to the brand, maybe he knows something we don't about their future return to the WRC, hence wanting to continue a fruitful collaboration with Citroen...
However, I think you make a great point about not taking a one year deal with another outfit. I think he could have learned how another car works and maybe taken that with him in the future. I also think that there may not have been any 1-year deals available and that Ford or someone else would have wanted a 3-year deal, at least to get a return on investment by insuring podiums or wins. I am just speculating here, so bear with me. I do think you are right though and see where my reasoning could be flawed.
I also have to admit that you make a great point regarding Schumacher and Ferrari. Thing is, in motorsports �as you mention� there are so many factors that it is hard to attribute failure and success entirely on one component/person. Could it be that Schumacher is no longer as good? Could it be the other hardware has gotten better?
At this point, I still believe that Loeb is the best of the moment. I believe this to be true because of the impressive tally of wins, the sheer pace he consistently maintains and the fact that no one can win all the stages of one rally if they don't have incredible talent. That seems beyond the car/team factor to me. Again though, I a speculating here.
I truly enjoy the points you made and I am looking forward to your further input.
PS: rally-live.com announced the fact that he hadn't many more options than to go with a private team. I bet it will be Kronos... what do ya'll think?
I was not accusing anyone of French bashing, but it seems clear from some posts I have read that there are some negative sentiments due to that factor. Now, as far as his loyalty to the brand, maybe he knows something we don't about their future return to the WRC, hence wanting to continue a fruitful collaboration with Citroen...
However, I think you make a great point about not taking a one year deal with another outfit. I think he could have learned how another car works and maybe taken that with him in the future. I also think that there may not have been any 1-year deals available and that Ford or someone else would have wanted a 3-year deal, at least to get a return on investment by insuring podiums or wins. I am just speculating here, so bear with me. I do think you are right though and see where my reasoning could be flawed.
I also have to admit that you make a great point regarding Schumacher and Ferrari. Thing is, in motorsports �as you mention� there are so many factors that it is hard to attribute failure and success entirely on one component/person. Could it be that Schumacher is no longer as good? Could it be the other hardware has gotten better?
At this point, I still believe that Loeb is the best of the moment. I believe this to be true because of the impressive tally of wins, the sheer pace he consistently maintains and the fact that no one can win all the stages of one rally if they don't have incredible talent. That seems beyond the car/team factor to me. Again though, I a speculating here.
I truly enjoy the points you made and I am looking forward to your further input.
PS: rally-live.com announced the fact that he hadn't many more options than to go with a private team. I bet it will be Kronos... what do ya'll think?
| Porsche914boxer4 | 10-24-2005 05:18 PM |
who won?
| XenoWolf | 10-24-2005 05:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Porsche914boxer4]who won?[/QUOTE]
Giancarlo Fisichella :rolleyes:
Giancarlo Fisichella :rolleyes:
| Porsche914boxer4 | 10-24-2005 06:31 PM |
Are you trying to be funny?
| steev | 10-24-2005 06:46 PM |
Thing that sucks about forums is that the meta-message always seems to get lost... Unfortunate really...
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