| Ryokosman | 04-11-2006 11:11 AM |
Help me drop 2 seconds around a track. Advise needed.
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First off let me list some mods.
05 STi
Stock Long Block
20g
Stock TMIC
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255/40/17 Kumho MX
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Perrin Sways F&R
Perrin Endlinks F&R
Perrin PSRS (ALK)
Pink Springs
Group-N Hats
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0 Toe Everywhere
-2.7 Camber Front
-1.5 Camber Rear
I was able to clock a 1:31.5 lap time with this setup at Hallett this weekend. I would like to set a goal of sub 1:29.9 on street tires. For reference this same weekend a BONE STOCK C6Z06 was able to clock a 1:30.2~ish time around the track.
So I already planning on putting a Perrin Rotated kit 30r .82 and beefier clutch in. That should give me a 1/2 second or so.
Also my brakes were terrible this weekend. With pads that I have confidence in I could brake alot deeper. Probably good for 1 second or more.
Whats are the stickiest "street" tires I could get? Advan's? Aren't they supposedly the best? 255/40/17's? Would they net me at least 1/4 second?
The suspension is setup pretty good for this track IMHO. Its pretty rough and it soaks up the midcorner bumps with no issues. Body roll isn't bad either.
Any advice given will be appreciated! Thanks!
05 STi
Stock Long Block
20g
Stock TMIC
---
255/40/17 Kumho MX
---
Perrin Sways F&R
Perrin Endlinks F&R
Perrin PSRS (ALK)
Pink Springs
Group-N Hats
---
0 Toe Everywhere
-2.7 Camber Front
-1.5 Camber Rear
I was able to clock a 1:31.5 lap time with this setup at Hallett this weekend. I would like to set a goal of sub 1:29.9 on street tires. For reference this same weekend a BONE STOCK C6Z06 was able to clock a 1:30.2~ish time around the track.
So I already planning on putting a Perrin Rotated kit 30r .82 and beefier clutch in. That should give me a 1/2 second or so.
Also my brakes were terrible this weekend. With pads that I have confidence in I could brake alot deeper. Probably good for 1 second or more.
Whats are the stickiest "street" tires I could get? Advan's? Aren't they supposedly the best? 255/40/17's? Would they net me at least 1/4 second?
The suspension is setup pretty good for this track IMHO. Its pretty rough and it soaks up the midcorner bumps with no issues. Body roll isn't bad either.
Any advice given will be appreciated! Thanks!
| ratt_finkel | 04-11-2006 12:17 PM |
You could pick up a lot more with a dedicated set of coilovers. Why street tires? Yokohoma advan neova's in 265/35/18. 9.5 or 10" rims and coilovers should easily net you that time.
FYI, I don't think you need any more power.
How is your driving expierence? A lot can be gained by becoming a better driver.
FYI, I don't think you need any more power.
How is your driving expierence? A lot can be gained by becoming a better driver.
| vlady | 04-11-2006 12:23 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]
How is your driving expierence? A lot can be gained by becoming a better driver.[/QUOTE]
+1. Also, on the tires: Toyo RA-1. DOT approved and great on the track.
How is your driving expierence? A lot can be gained by becoming a better driver.[/QUOTE]
+1. Also, on the tires: Toyo RA-1. DOT approved and great on the track.
| Ryokosman | 04-11-2006 12:34 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel] Why street tires?
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No one in our regional "club" has managed a sub 1:30 laptime on street tires. The Z06 was the closest yet. After I meet the goal I'm switching to shaved RA-1's fer shur.
[quote]
How is your driving expierence? A lot can be gained by becoming a better driver.[/QUOTE]
I'm probably falling into a "intermediate" catagory IMHO. But no doubt more expierence will make me much faster and smoother.
In fact just by talking to some guys who are better than me at lunch probably netted me another second just by putting into pratice what they said they were doing in a couple of the corners.
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No one in our regional "club" has managed a sub 1:30 laptime on street tires. The Z06 was the closest yet. After I meet the goal I'm switching to shaved RA-1's fer shur.
[quote]
How is your driving expierence? A lot can be gained by becoming a better driver.[/QUOTE]
I'm probably falling into a "intermediate" catagory IMHO. But no doubt more expierence will make me much faster and smoother.
In fact just by talking to some guys who are better than me at lunch probably netted me another second just by putting into pratice what they said they were doing in a couple of the corners.
| Johnny Butane | 04-11-2006 12:44 PM |
We'll EP, with the GT30R your adding soon the times will drop. And your drift king status at the last turn will improve.
You're gonna love the RA1's (once I talk you into them :D ) and then wonder why you even messed with street tires. You saw how well I was doing with my stock Evo on RA1's. I was only 2 seconds of your 131.5 with only a rear bar and down over 100whp to you. TIRES BITCH! :lol:
Oh yeah.. and track pads. I dont mind changing pads for you at the track each time we go. It takes no time.
Since it is going to be a bit before we make it back to Hallett, maybe you can wait until One Lap is over and see what tires those guys use and how they perform. Hopefully the drivers (Luke) will give some good feedback.
jeff
You're gonna love the RA1's (once I talk you into them :D ) and then wonder why you even messed with street tires. You saw how well I was doing with my stock Evo on RA1's. I was only 2 seconds of your 131.5 with only a rear bar and down over 100whp to you. TIRES BITCH! :lol:
Oh yeah.. and track pads. I dont mind changing pads for you at the track each time we go. It takes no time.
Since it is going to be a bit before we make it back to Hallett, maybe you can wait until One Lap is over and see what tires those guys use and how they perform. Hopefully the drivers (Luke) will give some good feedback.
jeff
| trhoppe | 04-11-2006 06:43 PM |
You need 2 seconds? Drive smarter.
edit: err drive smart, not fast.
edit2: During One Lap there, we averaged 1:35 for 3 laps in a stock power WRX with a standing start on the 1st lap, and going 4 off on the 2nd lap ;) , at our first time at the track. sub 1:30 is definetly doable in an STi.
-Tom
edit: err drive smart, not fast.
edit2: During One Lap there, we averaged 1:35 for 3 laps in a stock power WRX with a standing start on the 1st lap, and going 4 off on the 2nd lap ;) , at our first time at the track. sub 1:30 is definetly doable in an STi.
-Tom
| Tensen | 04-11-2006 06:53 PM |
I'm gonna say ducttape some JATO rockets to the roof :)
| grippgoat | 04-11-2006 07:20 PM |
How did you get -2.7 camber?
What tire pressures are you running?
How many events have you done at that track, and what is your experience level? I did 4 days in 2 weeks at Portland and went from fairly consistent 1:32-1:33 laps to fairly consistent 1:29.high to 1:30.mid laps, with occasional 1:29.low and a single 1:28.96. The first weekend, I improved my times with tire pressure tweaks and working on my line and consistency. For the second weekend, I added a Perrin rear swaybar and PFC97 front and removed my dust shields (I was on DS3000 the previous weekend, so I don't think I picked up speed from the brakes). My improvements in time on the second weekend were probably about 1 second from the balance improvement of the swaybar and balance and grip improvements from tire pressure adjustments, but the bulk of it just came from added seat time at the track, and continually looking for the places that I felt like I could carry more speed, or change my entry to get more speed at exit.
Even weather can have a lot to do with it.
Strut tower braces, speaking from personal experience, may help you to keep your speed in the first part of the corners, by cleaning up the car's responses. The same with rear lateral link bushings.
I'm also guessing that you're probably getting at most 2 good laps before your tires get greasy. I found that grip (especially under braking) improved with lower tire pressures on the RE070s, but I can't vouch for the MXes. I also ran a couple pounds higher pressure in the rear, but I didn't have anywhere near as much camber as you, and was running stock front swaybar, so I don't know what your ideal pressures will be like.
And in general, if you're not full throttle before the Apex (on most corners, that won't happen on all linked sequences), you're probably not getting your corner entry and first-half-of-corner rotation right. :) If you're getting power-oversteer, you may need to adjust your swaybars or rear toe or something to keep things in check.
-Mike
What tire pressures are you running?
How many events have you done at that track, and what is your experience level? I did 4 days in 2 weeks at Portland and went from fairly consistent 1:32-1:33 laps to fairly consistent 1:29.high to 1:30.mid laps, with occasional 1:29.low and a single 1:28.96. The first weekend, I improved my times with tire pressure tweaks and working on my line and consistency. For the second weekend, I added a Perrin rear swaybar and PFC97 front and removed my dust shields (I was on DS3000 the previous weekend, so I don't think I picked up speed from the brakes). My improvements in time on the second weekend were probably about 1 second from the balance improvement of the swaybar and balance and grip improvements from tire pressure adjustments, but the bulk of it just came from added seat time at the track, and continually looking for the places that I felt like I could carry more speed, or change my entry to get more speed at exit.
Even weather can have a lot to do with it.
Strut tower braces, speaking from personal experience, may help you to keep your speed in the first part of the corners, by cleaning up the car's responses. The same with rear lateral link bushings.
I'm also guessing that you're probably getting at most 2 good laps before your tires get greasy. I found that grip (especially under braking) improved with lower tire pressures on the RE070s, but I can't vouch for the MXes. I also ran a couple pounds higher pressure in the rear, but I didn't have anywhere near as much camber as you, and was running stock front swaybar, so I don't know what your ideal pressures will be like.
And in general, if you're not full throttle before the Apex (on most corners, that won't happen on all linked sequences), you're probably not getting your corner entry and first-half-of-corner rotation right. :) If you're getting power-oversteer, you may need to adjust your swaybars or rear toe or something to keep things in check.
-Mike
| Ryokosman | 04-11-2006 08:11 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]You need 2 seconds? Drive smarter.
edit: err drive smart, not fast.
edit2: During One Lap there, we averaged 1:35 for 3 laps in a stock power WRX with a standing start on the 1st lap, and going 4 off on the 2nd lap ;) , at our first time at the track. sub 1:30 is definetly doable in an STi.[/QUOTE]
I'll be in Alanta for Top Speed tuning on the turbo kit after we get it put on. Wanna show me how to do that? Cause I have no idea.
edit: err drive smart, not fast.
edit2: During One Lap there, we averaged 1:35 for 3 laps in a stock power WRX with a standing start on the 1st lap, and going 4 off on the 2nd lap ;) , at our first time at the track. sub 1:30 is definetly doable in an STi.[/QUOTE]
I'll be in Alanta for Top Speed tuning on the turbo kit after we get it put on. Wanna show me how to do that? Cause I have no idea.
| Ryokosman | 04-11-2006 08:17 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat]How did you get -2.7 camber?[/quote]
We turned teh stock camber bolts into "crash" bolts. Works like a champ and haven't slipped thru a few track days.
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What tire pressures are you running?
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Cold it was 35f 33r but hot temps were 8-9 degrees higher.
I didn't play with tire pressures any.
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I'm also guessing that you're probably getting at most 2 good laps before your tires get greasy. I found that grip (especially under braking) improved with lower tire pressures on the RE070s, but I can't vouch for the MXes.
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I ran really low tire pressures with the 070's but the MX's need more. And I still think they need more than what I had b/c I was seeing the tire rolling over on the sidewall quite a bit. But they NEVER got greasy, not in the least.
[quote]
And in general, if you're not full throttle before the Apex (on most corners, that won't happen on all linked sequences), you're probably not getting your corner entry and first-half-of-corner rotation right. :) If you're getting power-oversteer, you may need to adjust your swaybars or rear toe or something to keep things in check.
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On throttle at apex or before. Check. I'm already there. Got that down pat.
Power-oversteer? None thats a issue. Only when I do something stupid with the gas pedal does it oversteer.
We turned teh stock camber bolts into "crash" bolts. Works like a champ and haven't slipped thru a few track days.
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What tire pressures are you running?
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Cold it was 35f 33r but hot temps were 8-9 degrees higher.
I didn't play with tire pressures any.
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I'm also guessing that you're probably getting at most 2 good laps before your tires get greasy. I found that grip (especially under braking) improved with lower tire pressures on the RE070s, but I can't vouch for the MXes.
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I ran really low tire pressures with the 070's but the MX's need more. And I still think they need more than what I had b/c I was seeing the tire rolling over on the sidewall quite a bit. But they NEVER got greasy, not in the least.
[quote]
And in general, if you're not full throttle before the Apex (on most corners, that won't happen on all linked sequences), you're probably not getting your corner entry and first-half-of-corner rotation right. :) If you're getting power-oversteer, you may need to adjust your swaybars or rear toe or something to keep things in check.
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On throttle at apex or before. Check. I'm already there. Got that down pat.
Power-oversteer? None thats a issue. Only when I do something stupid with the gas pedal does it oversteer.
| grippgoat | 04-11-2006 11:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]We turned teh stock camber bolts into "crash" bolts. Works like a champ and haven't slipped thru a few track days.
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If all your camber is coming from the camber bolt, you will have trouble going a lot wider on the tires. Look up under there and see how much clearance you have, but at -2.7 degrees, I suspect it's not much at all. Based on what my clearance looks like at -1ish, I think you'd almost certainly have to go to lower offset to get into the 255 width range.
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]Cold it was 35f 33r but hot temps were 8-9 degrees higher.
I didn't play with tire pressures any.
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I might still try something like 37f / 38r "warm". I used to be all over the higher pressures, because the car felt more responsive, but braking was noticeably improved as I started dropping the pressures. Then I played with the rear pressure to find balance. I'd start with the rears higher, and the car would be loose for the warm-up lap, but then as the fronts got warmer, it would get neutral and be :banana: for a couple laps, then I'd start to overheat the fronts, and it would move toward understeer, but not too bad.
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]I ran really low tire pressures with the 070's but the MX's need more. And I still think they need more than what I had b/c I was seeing the tire rolling over on the sidewall quite a bit. But they NEVER got greasy, not in the least.
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Rolling over with -2.7 camber? I find that hard to believe.
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]
On throttle at apex or before. Check. I'm already there. Got that down pat.
Power-oversteer? None thats a issue. Only when I do something stupid with the gas pedal does it oversteer.[/QUOTE]
On throttle, or FULL throttle? There's a very big difference in corner exit speed. See my post in the "critique my driving thread". You should be able to rotate the car such that you get pointed inside the apex, and then roll into full throttle quite quickly, and have the car remain neutral under full power past the apex, and out to track-out. I haven't done that in 2nd gear, but I've done it in third, and it's truly disgusting how fast it is. Of course, with your 20g, you probably do have more power than me. I'm still on stock turbo, at 320wtq and 300whp.
Also, when you're trying different lines, seeing where on track you are when you do your upshift is a good way to tell whether your corner exit speed was better or not.
-Mike
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If all your camber is coming from the camber bolt, you will have trouble going a lot wider on the tires. Look up under there and see how much clearance you have, but at -2.7 degrees, I suspect it's not much at all. Based on what my clearance looks like at -1ish, I think you'd almost certainly have to go to lower offset to get into the 255 width range.
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]Cold it was 35f 33r but hot temps were 8-9 degrees higher.
I didn't play with tire pressures any.
[/QUOTE]
I might still try something like 37f / 38r "warm". I used to be all over the higher pressures, because the car felt more responsive, but braking was noticeably improved as I started dropping the pressures. Then I played with the rear pressure to find balance. I'd start with the rears higher, and the car would be loose for the warm-up lap, but then as the fronts got warmer, it would get neutral and be :banana: for a couple laps, then I'd start to overheat the fronts, and it would move toward understeer, but not too bad.
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]I ran really low tire pressures with the 070's but the MX's need more. And I still think they need more than what I had b/c I was seeing the tire rolling over on the sidewall quite a bit. But they NEVER got greasy, not in the least.
[/quote]
Rolling over with -2.7 camber? I find that hard to believe.
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]
On throttle at apex or before. Check. I'm already there. Got that down pat.
Power-oversteer? None thats a issue. Only when I do something stupid with the gas pedal does it oversteer.[/QUOTE]
On throttle, or FULL throttle? There's a very big difference in corner exit speed. See my post in the "critique my driving thread". You should be able to rotate the car such that you get pointed inside the apex, and then roll into full throttle quite quickly, and have the car remain neutral under full power past the apex, and out to track-out. I haven't done that in 2nd gear, but I've done it in third, and it's truly disgusting how fast it is. Of course, with your 20g, you probably do have more power than me. I'm still on stock turbo, at 320wtq and 300whp.
Also, when you're trying different lines, seeing where on track you are when you do your upshift is a good way to tell whether your corner exit speed was better or not.
-Mike
| Ryokosman | 04-11-2006 11:39 PM |
[QUOTE=grippgoat]If all your camber is coming from the camber bolt, you will have trouble going a lot wider on the tires. Look up under there and see how much clearance you have, but at -2.7 degrees, I suspect it's not much at all. Based on what my clearance looks like at -1ish, I think you'd almost certainly have to go to lower offset to get into the 255 width range.[/quote]
You really need to re-read my inital post. :rolleyes: Double read my tire size on the car...
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Rolling over with -2.7 camber? I find that hard to believe.
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Why is that so hard to believe? I don't understand?
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On throttle, or FULL throttle? There's a very big difference in corner exit speed. See my post in the "critique my driving thread". You should be able to rotate the car such that you get pointed inside the apex, and then roll into full throttle quite quickly, and have the car remain neutral under full power past the apex, and out to track-out. I haven't done that in 2nd gear, but I've done it in third, and it's truly disgusting how fast it is. Of course, with your 20g, you probably do have more power than me. I'm still on stock turbo, at 320wtq and 300whp.
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Yes I am at FULL throttle.... And am getting there at or before apex. I push the gas full throttle as fast as my foot will do it. I do it that fast in 2nd but you better be sure its pointing near the way you wanna go cause it'll push the fronts way out if your not. Stock turbo power did not do this to the extent it does now.
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Also, when you're trying different lines, seeing where on track you are when you do your upshift is a good way to tell whether your corner exit speed was better or not.
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Already doing that. I try to help myself as much as I can.
You really need to re-read my inital post. :rolleyes: Double read my tire size on the car...
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Rolling over with -2.7 camber? I find that hard to believe.
[/quote]
Why is that so hard to believe? I don't understand?
[quote]
On throttle, or FULL throttle? There's a very big difference in corner exit speed. See my post in the "critique my driving thread". You should be able to rotate the car such that you get pointed inside the apex, and then roll into full throttle quite quickly, and have the car remain neutral under full power past the apex, and out to track-out. I haven't done that in 2nd gear, but I've done it in third, and it's truly disgusting how fast it is. Of course, with your 20g, you probably do have more power than me. I'm still on stock turbo, at 320wtq and 300whp.
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Yes I am at FULL throttle.... And am getting there at or before apex. I push the gas full throttle as fast as my foot will do it. I do it that fast in 2nd but you better be sure its pointing near the way you wanna go cause it'll push the fronts way out if your not. Stock turbo power did not do this to the extent it does now.
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Also, when you're trying different lines, seeing where on track you are when you do your upshift is a good way to tell whether your corner exit speed was better or not.
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Already doing that. I try to help myself as much as I can.
| grippgoat | 04-12-2006 12:53 AM |
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]You really need to re-read my inital post. :rolleyes: Double read my tire size on the car...
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Oops, my bad. I guess I shouldn't worry about getting them onto my car, then. :)
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]
Why is that so hard to believe? I don't understand?
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Just because -2.7 seems like it should at least be in the ballpark of "enough" camber... Close enough that it shouldn't require any kind of drastic tire pressures. Even at -1.2 in front, with the stock front swaybar, I wasn't getting any scuffing on the sidewall past the little arrows, but that's with the RE070 in 225 on the stock 8" rims. But of course, you were there, I wasn't. So I have nothing else to offer on that question. :)
Damn I wish I could be taking my STI instead of the miata to the track on sunday. :( It's in the body shop thanks to a psycho in a white minivan.
-Mike
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Oops, my bad. I guess I shouldn't worry about getting them onto my car, then. :)
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]
Why is that so hard to believe? I don't understand?
[/QUOTE]
Just because -2.7 seems like it should at least be in the ballpark of "enough" camber... Close enough that it shouldn't require any kind of drastic tire pressures. Even at -1.2 in front, with the stock front swaybar, I wasn't getting any scuffing on the sidewall past the little arrows, but that's with the RE070 in 225 on the stock 8" rims. But of course, you were there, I wasn't. So I have nothing else to offer on that question. :)
Damn I wish I could be taking my STI instead of the miata to the track on sunday. :( It's in the body shop thanks to a psycho in a white minivan.
-Mike
| enduroshark | 04-12-2006 09:57 AM |
1) Improve the driver.
2) Get stickier street tires.
3) Get a better suspension setup.
In that order.
2) Get stickier street tires.
3) Get a better suspension setup.
In that order.
| [email�protected] | 04-12-2006 10:20 AM |
[QUOTE=enduroshark]1) Improve the driver.
2) Get stickier street tires.
3) Get a better suspension setup.
In that order.[/QUOTE]
Agreed !!!!
RE01R
2) Get stickier street tires.
3) Get a better suspension setup.
In that order.[/QUOTE]
Agreed !!!!
RE01R
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 10:41 AM |
Thanks guys!
#1 should go without saying. :lol: Everyone has room for improvement! Some just more than others :lol: :lol:
#2 Stickier tires. I was thinking this too. RE01R's? Never heard of 'em. Will check them out.
#3 Better susp. I don't have any experience with any other WRX or STi with a better suspension than mine. So I just kinda figured that it was pretty good. But you guys know better and if you don't think its up to snuff then I'll look into upgrading.
#1 should go without saying. :lol: Everyone has room for improvement! Some just more than others :lol: :lol:
#2 Stickier tires. I was thinking this too. RE01R's? Never heard of 'em. Will check them out.
#3 Better susp. I don't have any experience with any other WRX or STi with a better suspension than mine. So I just kinda figured that it was pretty good. But you guys know better and if you don't think its up to snuff then I'll look into upgrading.
| ChrisDP | 04-12-2006 11:16 AM |
Reorganize that list.
1. If you're going to start hammering for laptimes... put a rollbar in if you don't already have one.
I quit tracking my WRX when in-car showed laptimes I didn't need to be running in a street car with no rollover protection and got something a bit slower that I won't mind bending quite as much from a financial standpoint.
1. If you're going to start hammering for laptimes... put a rollbar in if you don't already have one.
I quit tracking my WRX when in-car showed laptimes I didn't need to be running in a street car with no rollover protection and got something a bit slower that I won't mind bending quite as much from a financial standpoint.
| trhoppe | 04-12-2006 11:32 AM |
Good point. Listen to what chrisIDP said.
-Tom
-Tom
| mav1c | 04-12-2006 11:32 AM |
[quote]1. If you're going to start hammering for laptimes... put a rollbar in if you don't already have one.[/quote]
Add to that some race seats (like Sparco Evo's) and some 5 or 6-point harnesses, and I'd bet you'd gain some time.
Add to that some race seats (like Sparco Evo's) and some 5 or 6-point harnesses, and I'd bet you'd gain some time.
| Johnny Butane | 04-12-2006 11:38 AM |
He already has a 6 point cage in the car as well as harnesses. :D
jeff
jeff
| mav1c | 04-12-2006 11:53 AM |
Well then...if I'd known that... :lol:
Curious...what type of cage?
Curious...what type of cage?
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 01:01 PM |
I don't know my cage "lingo" but its caged in the rear half of the car with door bars. Does that make it 6 point?
A friend of mine built the cage. So its a custom jobber. I'm pretty satisified wiith it and a tech guy at a PCA event gave me props on it so it must not be to bad. :banana:
[IMG]http://www.ryokosman.com/sti/255/bar.jpg[/IMG]
I also have 5 point cam-lock harnesses using the stock seats. I do move around a bit with the stock seats but I'm ok with it. Not enough for me to justify race seats just yet. :)
A friend of mine built the cage. So its a custom jobber. I'm pretty satisified wiith it and a tech guy at a PCA event gave me props on it so it must not be to bad. :banana:
[IMG]http://www.ryokosman.com/sti/255/bar.jpg[/IMG]
I also have 5 point cam-lock harnesses using the stock seats. I do move around a bit with the stock seats but I'm ok with it. Not enough for me to justify race seats just yet. :)
| trhoppe | 04-12-2006 01:03 PM |
I see no main hoop bars going back. Am I just missing them in the pic?
-Tom
-Tom
| shemoves | 04-12-2006 01:05 PM |
my vote is either reduced rotating mass (light weight rotors/wheels) and/or a driver school.
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 01:06 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]I see no main hoop bars going back. Am I just missing them in the pic?
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Yea you just can't see them in the pic but they are there. I promise! :p
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Yea you just can't see them in the pic but they are there. I promise! :p
| trhoppe | 04-12-2006 01:08 PM |
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]Yea you just can't see them in the pic but they are there. I promise! :p[/QUOTE]
:whew: :)
also, I can't believe that someone suggested lighter wheels :lol: :lol: :lol:
-Tom
:whew: :)
also, I can't believe that someone suggested lighter wheels :lol: :lol: :lol:
-Tom
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 01:12 PM |
Yea my slips are light enuf my me. Any lighter than that and I'm spending way to much money on wheels IMHO.
| CirrusWRX | 04-12-2006 01:16 PM |
How come nobody mentioned brake upgrades? Is that unheard of in an STI?
Captain Late Brake to the rescue!!!!!!!!!!
Captain Late Brake to the rescue!!!!!!!!!!
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 01:45 PM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]How come nobody mentioned brake upgrades? Is that unheard of in an STI?
Captain Late Brake to the rescue!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
OH SNAP! I forgot my brake upgrades. I'm running hi-temp fluid, SS lines, and EBC Crapstuf... um... I mean yellowstuff brake pads. Those pads will be going away very soon... :furious:
Captain Late Brake to the rescue!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
OH SNAP! I forgot my brake upgrades. I'm running hi-temp fluid, SS lines, and EBC Crapstuf... um... I mean yellowstuff brake pads. Those pads will be going away very soon... :furious:
| TubeDriver | 04-12-2006 01:54 PM |
Carbotech XP10s (XP11 if you get some sticky tires) FTW!
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]OH SNAP! I forgot my brake upgrades. I'm running hi-temp fluid, SS lines, and EBC Crapstuf... um... I mean yellowstuff brake pads. Those pads will be going away very soon... :furious:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]OH SNAP! I forgot my brake upgrades. I'm running hi-temp fluid, SS lines, and EBC Crapstuf... um... I mean yellowstuff brake pads. Those pads will be going away very soon... :furious:[/QUOTE]
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 02:15 PM |
Thanks for the ideas on the brakes guys but I'm gonna try some Project Mu Level Max 900 pads. "Johnny Butane" was running Project Mu brakes and they worked really well.
| ratt_finkel | 04-12-2006 03:52 PM |
Aside from the obvious benefits of race seats. The stock seats are heavy as hell. A little weight reduction never hurts.
And yes, there is much potential left in your suspension.
And yes, there is much potential left in your suspension.
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 04:57 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]Aside from the obvious benefits of race seats. The stock seats are heavy as hell. A little weight reduction never hurts.
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I never thought about it from the weight reduction standpoint... I've been thinking of putting the STi on a diet... :devil:
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And yes, there is much potential left in your suspension.[/QUOTE]
I hate to admit it but I wouldn't know. My STi is the fastest car I've ever driven on track. But you guys are convicing me that I'm dead wrong about my pinks on stock struts!
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I never thought about it from the weight reduction standpoint... I've been thinking of putting the STi on a diet... :devil:
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And yes, there is much potential left in your suspension.[/QUOTE]
I hate to admit it but I wouldn't know. My STi is the fastest car I've ever driven on track. But you guys are convicing me that I'm dead wrong about my pinks on stock struts!
| javid | 04-12-2006 05:41 PM |
Your suspension isn't bad. I found the stock struts / springs with big bars to do just fine until I started getting more aggressive with trail braking. After installing coilovers with real rates the nose-drive turn in madness went away, which was nice, but it took me 3-4 trips to different tracks to start to adjust the suspension into something that was 'good'.
Odds are you won't be faster on track just by slapping coilovers on, you'll need to work at the setup...
I vote keep the suspension and spend some cash on getting to other tracks (which will give new perspective on your home course) and try to track down really good drivers at your home and other tracks that can critique your lines, brake points, mid corner speeds...
Edit: If you must mod the car:good pads and bushings all around will be the best bang for the buck if you install them yourself.
Odds are you won't be faster on track just by slapping coilovers on, you'll need to work at the setup...
I vote keep the suspension and spend some cash on getting to other tracks (which will give new perspective on your home course) and try to track down really good drivers at your home and other tracks that can critique your lines, brake points, mid corner speeds...
Edit: If you must mod the car:good pads and bushings all around will be the best bang for the buck if you install them yourself.
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 06:26 PM |
[QUOTE=javid]I vote keep the suspension and spend some cash on getting to other tracks (which will give new perspective on your home course) and try to track down really good drivers at your home and other tracks that can critique your lines, brake points, mid corner speeds...[/QUOTE]
I've been to Motorsport Ranch in Cresson, TX. Also Memphis Motorsports Park in Memphis, TN. But thats it. Really the only other "close" track is Texas Motor Speedway (I think thats what its called). So my experience is quite limited.
I've been to Motorsport Ranch in Cresson, TX. Also Memphis Motorsports Park in Memphis, TN. But thats it. Really the only other "close" track is Texas Motor Speedway (I think thats what its called). So my experience is quite limited.
| M8 | 04-12-2006 07:35 PM |
You said something about being "on full throttle" at or before apex. That suggests to me that you might be needing a lot more steering input than a driver who "locks in" his line and eases onto the throttle as he clips the apex. I know with an AWD car you can get on it a lot sooner, and I have only driven open wheel RWD cars on a track, so ignore me if it does not apply :)
In other words, it might be more fun to "drive" the car around a corner but it's not always the fastest way around.
Have you talked to some of the faster drivers about their line? Knowing the fastest line around a race track will make a HUGE difference. You could also experiment with your own lines a little bit: Perhaps that long double apex corner could be turned into a single apex corner if you altered your turn in etc etc.
Oh, and nothing beats a good driving school. My pick would be Bertil Roos.
In other words, it might be more fun to "drive" the car around a corner but it's not always the fastest way around.
Have you talked to some of the faster drivers about their line? Knowing the fastest line around a race track will make a HUGE difference. You could also experiment with your own lines a little bit: Perhaps that long double apex corner could be turned into a single apex corner if you altered your turn in etc etc.
Oh, and nothing beats a good driving school. My pick would be Bertil Roos.
| mrubino83 | 04-12-2006 07:37 PM |
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| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 07:46 PM |
[QUOTE=mrubino83][img]http://www.dukemarketing.com/images/portfolio/JennyCraig-Web1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Ok dude. I know I'm overweight but I'm not that damn bad! I'm only 195 lbs! :furious:
Ok dude. I know I'm overweight but I'm not that damn bad! I'm only 195 lbs! :furious:
| STirocket | 04-12-2006 09:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Ryokosman]Ok dude. I know I'm overweight but I'm not that damn bad! I'm only 195 lbs! :furious:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but if you're only 5'3"... "Houston, we've found the problem" :lol:
Yeah, but if you're only 5'3"... "Houston, we've found the problem" :lol:
| Ryokosman | 04-12-2006 09:36 PM |
[QUOTE=STirocket]Yeah, but if you're only 5'3"... "Houston, we've found the problem" :lol:[/QUOTE]
5'9" So I'm not tooo bad...
5'9" So I'm not tooo bad...
| ChrisDP | 04-12-2006 10:07 PM |
Ride with some guys/gals who are fast in momentum cars ie Miata/CRX etc.
Their braking and corner entry speed will horrify you. Buuuuut that's how you go fast when you have no power to make up for it and you can learn a lot about how to improve on those areas in your "big motor" car. There are usually big chunks of time left there. They may be using their brakes more efficiently than you are, and are still carrying more speed as they get the car pointed for the corner. It really will shock you.
Their braking and corner entry speed will horrify you. Buuuuut that's how you go fast when you have no power to make up for it and you can learn a lot about how to improve on those areas in your "big motor" car. There are usually big chunks of time left there. They may be using their brakes more efficiently than you are, and are still carrying more speed as they get the car pointed for the corner. It really will shock you.
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