| planetarygear | 01-24-2006 01:49 AM |
Vent WRC Frustration - Feb 19 on SPEED!!!
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Live Sunday, February 19 at 9 PM EST
[COLOR=Red][SIZE=7][B]CALL DAVE!!! 1-866-WTUNNEL[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
[url]http://speedtv.com/windtunnel/[/url]
Lets jam the phone lines and make the NABISCO voice heard! Pass this on to everyone!
[COLOR=Red][SIZE=7][B]CALL DAVE!!! 1-866-WTUNNEL[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR]
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
[url]http://speedtv.com/windtunnel/[/url]
Lets jam the phone lines and make the NABISCO voice heard! Pass this on to everyone!
| MattDell | 01-24-2006 01:51 AM |
Why the 19th?
| planetarygear | 01-24-2006 02:09 AM |
February 19th is when the show airs LIVE and you can call in, thats why :)
| culturedetox | 01-24-2006 02:10 AM |
hell yeah.. but.. wont the screeners block us out when they get wise?
| Crash477 | 01-24-2006 02:19 AM |
I'm down!
| bemani | 01-24-2006 02:23 AM |
Tell them you're calling about Daytona 500 or Dale Earnhardt Jr or Scuderia Torro Rosso or something until you get through :lol:
| culturedetox | 01-24-2006 03:16 AM |
*subscribe* :devil:
| crashandburn | 01-24-2006 03:37 AM |
I've been saddened by the lack of US coverage of the WRC for a long time, and further deprssed by the steady decline of the series over the pst few years. AND NOW THIS. bah!
But on a lighter note, I finally got to see my first live Rally this past year ( the Targa Quit Rally in Australia, just outside Perth). About the middle of the first day, this lovely brand new GT3 overshoots a corner and destroys the underside of his car, I even got a brake pad from him. It was awesome, Aussie's love Rally.
But on a lighter note, I finally got to see my first live Rally this past year ( the Targa Quit Rally in Australia, just outside Perth). About the middle of the first day, this lovely brand new GT3 overshoots a corner and destroys the underside of his car, I even got a brake pad from him. It was awesome, Aussie's love Rally.
| XenoWolf | 01-24-2006 05:51 AM |
Calling Despain won't help, I actually feel bad for the guy. He gets it from all ends already (people pissed about him 'selling out', people pissed about too much NASCAR).
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.
| jamesohoh7 | 01-24-2006 07:59 AM |
ho-leee-crap!... I never saw that segment or that video of it! I guess that's b/c I stopped watching nascar-tv..err.. speed-tv a while back.
I have always liked Despain, and never faulted him in any of the angry letters I wrote to speed-tv. He is a true motorsports fan by all estimations I can draw from watching him on t.v. (which either indicates he's a great actor, or a true fan... I subscribe to the latter). I'm sorry to see him take so much crap over something that's not his fault at all ( unless we later find out it really -is- his decision, then he deserves it :) .. I'm sure that's not the case though... )
I have always liked Despain, and never faulted him in any of the angry letters I wrote to speed-tv. He is a true motorsports fan by all estimations I can draw from watching him on t.v. (which either indicates he's a great actor, or a true fan... I subscribe to the latter). I'm sorry to see him take so much crap over something that's not his fault at all ( unless we later find out it really -is- his decision, then he deserves it :) .. I'm sure that's not the case though... )
| asquaredrex | 01-24-2006 09:17 AM |
Yeah, not fair to go after Dave, though I can understand he's the only live person one could conceivably go to at Speed.
I also don't *entirely* blame Speed because I imagine that David Richards was charging an absurd amount for the footage.
I also don't *entirely* blame Speed because I imagine that David Richards was charging an absurd amount for the footage.
| FaastLegacy | 01-24-2006 09:22 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Calling Despain won't help, I actually feel bad for the guy. He gets it from all ends already (people pissed about him 'selling out', people pissed about too much NASCAR).
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Dave doesn't control the programming at Speed, nor does he control his own content for that matter. Spamming him is just going to piss him off and he doesn't deserve that IMHO.
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Dave doesn't control the programming at Speed, nor does he control his own content for that matter. Spamming him is just going to piss him off and he doesn't deserve that IMHO.
| artkevin | 01-24-2006 09:24 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Calling Despain won't help, I actually feel bad for the guy. He gets it from all ends already (people pissed about him 'selling out', people pissed about too much NASCAR).
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
Amazing find. Remind me not to talk to him about NASCAR, he might go Chuck Norris on me.
I think Dave is a good guy and is under a lot of pressure to make fans of all different schools racing happy. Looks like its a tough job.
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
Amazing find. Remind me not to talk to him about NASCAR, he might go Chuck Norris on me.
I think Dave is a good guy and is under a lot of pressure to make fans of all different schools racing happy. Looks like its a tough job.
| XenoWolf | 01-24-2006 10:02 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Amazing find. Remind me not to talk to him about NASCAR, he might go Chuck Norris on me.
I think Dave is a good guy and is under a lot of pressure to make fans of all different schools racing happy. Looks like its a tough job.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I definately don't envy his job. Some of the people who call in are just... :huh:
I love watching Windtunnel since it usually has a good variety of content. Everything from USAC Sprints to Formula One and MotoGP.
I think Dave is a good guy and is under a lot of pressure to make fans of all different schools racing happy. Looks like its a tough job.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I definately don't envy his job. Some of the people who call in are just... :huh:
I love watching Windtunnel since it usually has a good variety of content. Everything from USAC Sprints to Formula One and MotoGP.
| CirrusWRX | 01-24-2006 11:11 AM |
There was a fantastic interview (in GRM?) with him. I had a preconceived notion he was just a NASCAR addict with a show, but I see him in a whole different light after reading that interview. The poor guy has to do cover what sells. Right now, it's NASCAR. He said he'd LOVE to talk about grassroots or motorcycles or rally or formula or whatever, but "nobody" (compared with the millions+ NASCAR fans) will watch it.
If they don't watch, there is no money. If there is no money, there is no show. Still, I don't see anything wrong with calling in and attempting to discuss it if it's done legitimately. No reason to spam them with calls, but if you happen to get on the air and can bring it up responsibly, then more power to you.
If they don't watch, there is no money. If there is no money, there is no show. Still, I don't see anything wrong with calling in and attempting to discuss it if it's done legitimately. No reason to spam them with calls, but if you happen to get on the air and can bring it up responsibly, then more power to you.
| ChrisW | 01-24-2006 11:21 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Calling Despain won't help, I actually feel bad for the guy. He gets it from all ends already (people pissed about him 'selling out', people pissed about too much NASCAR).
[url="http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv"]Example of how much he loates us already[/url]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
ok.. so leave Nascrap out of your conversation and politely demand that they bring back WRC.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave. :cool:
[url="http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv"]Example of how much he loates us already[/url]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
ok.. so leave Nascrap out of your conversation and politely demand that they bring back WRC.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave.
Just be nice to Dave. :cool:
| artkevin | 01-24-2006 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]If they don't watch, there is no money. If there is no money, there is no show. Still, I don't see anything wrong with calling in and attempting to discuss it if it's done legitimately. No reason to spam them with calls, but if you happen to get on the air and can bring it up responsibly, then more power to you.[/QUOTE]
FTW.
Well said. All the "Speed Sucks" threads that keep popping up tend to remove that NASCAR, unlike the majority of other series, makes money for the station. I mean WRC has been on a steady slide and 4 manufactures pulling out at 1 time has to put some writing on the wall. Don't get me wrong, I don't like oval racing in the slightest but it looks like you have to have it to support F1, Moto GP, Speed GT and Touring, DTM, Aussie V-8 and whatever rally we can get.
I personally sent an email to the Speed Feedback section on their site.
FTW.
Well said. All the "Speed Sucks" threads that keep popping up tend to remove that NASCAR, unlike the majority of other series, makes money for the station. I mean WRC has been on a steady slide and 4 manufactures pulling out at 1 time has to put some writing on the wall. Don't get me wrong, I don't like oval racing in the slightest but it looks like you have to have it to support F1, Moto GP, Speed GT and Touring, DTM, Aussie V-8 and whatever rally we can get.
I personally sent an email to the Speed Feedback section on their site.
| joey1313 | 01-24-2006 12:48 PM |
That video clip is why I like Dave. He seems to always speak his mind. He is right. Nascar fans outnumber fans of every other type of motorsport fans combined(if you don't include drag racing fans) in this country. The only other form that has a large amount of fans is drag racing.
| WagonMonster | 01-24-2006 12:50 PM |
It's not Dave's fault Speed Carries 99% NASCAR.
It's this redneck country's fault.
It's this redneck country's fault.
| joey1313 | 01-24-2006 01:05 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]It's not Dave's fault Speed Carries 99% NASCAR.
It's this redneck country's fault.[/QUOTE]
Why is it that when someone likes something that you do not like, they are rednecks, hillbillys, idiots, etc?
I am a proud Redneck that prefers road racing and rallies to any other type of motorsports. I guess it's my fault then that Speed covers Nascar more than anything else.
It's this redneck country's fault.[/QUOTE]
Why is it that when someone likes something that you do not like, they are rednecks, hillbillys, idiots, etc?
I am a proud Redneck that prefers road racing and rallies to any other type of motorsports. I guess it's my fault then that Speed covers Nascar more than anything else.
| WagonMonster | 01-24-2006 01:10 PM |
Have you seen the people that go to NASCAR?
| culturedetox | 01-24-2006 01:47 PM |
^^ but not all rednecks like nascar :)
| WagonMonster | 01-24-2006 01:49 PM |
I didn't say that, but, most Americans do.
| ryanpietro | 01-24-2006 01:58 PM |
ill call in and request more. i never watch tv because theres nothing but crap. id love to watch moto gp, wrc!, and i wish they could have like televised road racing like an indy car track but with vipers, vettes, sti, evo, skyline, ferrari, you know like real cars not just indy cars even tho those are sick
| FaastLegacy | 01-24-2006 02:08 PM |
[QUOTE=joey1313]Why is it that when someone likes something that you do not like, they are rednecks, hillbillys, idiots, etc?
I am a proud Redneck that prefers road racing and rallies to any other type of motorsports. I guess it's my fault then that Speed covers Nascar more than anything else.[/QUOTE]
NASCAR fans are for the most part rednecks, hillibillies and hicks. I wouldn't call them idiots necessarily. What do you expect from a sport so deeply rooted in the south?
I am a proud Redneck that prefers road racing and rallies to any other type of motorsports. I guess it's my fault then that Speed covers Nascar more than anything else.[/QUOTE]
NASCAR fans are for the most part rednecks, hillibillies and hicks. I wouldn't call them idiots necessarily. What do you expect from a sport so deeply rooted in the south?
| leaknoil | 01-24-2006 02:10 PM |
I emailed into WRC radio and mentioned Speedtv leaving us poor US people high and dry. They read it on air but, left out the speedtv part =(
| XenoWolf | 01-24-2006 02:29 PM |
[QUOTE=leaknoil]I emailed into WRC radio and mentioned Speedtv leaving us poor US people high and dry. They read it on air but, left out the speedtv part =([/QUOTE]
WRC Radio?
WRC Radio?
| leaknoil | 01-24-2006 04:57 PM |
Ya the live radio broadcasts during the rally run by wrc.com. You can email them at [email][email�protected][/email] during the broadcasts. They seem to always read what I've sent in the past. As it usually late on a Friday or Saturday I'm usually less then sober and shouldn't be emailing anyone. When they read this one I think it was a *wink* *wink* 'we hear you' kind of thing as the email made no sense without the speedtv part in the middle and there was lots of mumbling among themselves before they actually read it.
| WagonMonster | 01-24-2006 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=leaknoil]As it usually late on a Friday or Saturday I'm usually less then sober and shouldn't be emailing anyone.[/QUOTE]
Stop emailing me, freak.
Stop emailing me, freak.
| leaknoil | 01-24-2006 06:04 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Stop emailing me, freak.[/QUOTE]
I can't help myself
I can't help myself
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 01-24-2006 06:28 PM |
I dont think Dave despain is going to help or care to listen to this.
He hosts a motorspots discusion forum, not a speed channel forum.
It cant hurt but I'm very sure nothing is getting through on the air. (remember 5 second tape delay for swear words) you'll get edited.
He hosts a motorspots discusion forum, not a speed channel forum.
It cant hurt but I'm very sure nothing is getting through on the air. (remember 5 second tape delay for swear words) you'll get edited.
| Bonzo | 01-24-2006 07:45 PM |
Dave Despain for president.
| MattGC8 | 01-24-2006 09:42 PM |
[QUOTE=ryanpietro]ill call in and request more. i never watch tv because theres nothing but crap. id love to watch moto gp, wrc!, and i wish they could have like televised road racing like an indy car track but with vipers, vettes, sti, evo, skyline, ferrari, you know like real cars not just indy cars even tho those are sick[/QUOTE]
Where have you been bub? Speed World Challenge and the American Lemans Series. Only drawback is the offseason, which so happens to be now. Watch a little [I]more[/I] tv this 2nd half of winter, early spring and you'll see some good stuff. There's a group possibly campaigning a Super Taikyu Skyline and possibly an STi in SWC GT class. ALMS showcases Vettes, DB9's, Vipers and this is all top tier stuff. Tivo baby, don't turn on the TV without it. :banana:
Where have you been bub? Speed World Challenge and the American Lemans Series. Only drawback is the offseason, which so happens to be now. Watch a little [I]more[/I] tv this 2nd half of winter, early spring and you'll see some good stuff. There's a group possibly campaigning a Super Taikyu Skyline and possibly an STi in SWC GT class. ALMS showcases Vettes, DB9's, Vipers and this is all top tier stuff. Tivo baby, don't turn on the TV without it. :banana:
| asquaredrex | 01-24-2006 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf][URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL][/QUOTE]
:eek: wow...
Well, he's got a point. I'm moving to Europe!
:eek: wow...
Well, he's got a point. I'm moving to Europe!
| meebs | 01-24-2006 11:35 PM |
[QUOTE=asquaredrex]:eek: wow...
Well, he's got a point. I'm moving to Europe![/QUOTE]
Man that was great.
So what's wrong with calling in and commenting about the WRC in general and not complaining about a lack of coverage? As was stated, it is a motorsports discussion show!
Well, he's got a point. I'm moving to Europe![/QUOTE]
Man that was great.
So what's wrong with calling in and commenting about the WRC in general and not complaining about a lack of coverage? As was stated, it is a motorsports discussion show!
| crunk | 01-25-2006 11:43 AM |
It's easier than that.
A friend emailed WRC and asked about TV coverage in USA.
They wrote back:
[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=Black]Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: US COVERAGE
Hello,
Thank you for your enquiry! Unfortunately contracts are still being negotiated in the US and we hope to be back on air very soon,
Best Wishes
WRC COM[/COLOR][/FONT]
A friend emailed WRC and asked about TV coverage in USA.
They wrote back:
[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=Black]Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: US COVERAGE
Hello,
Thank you for your enquiry! Unfortunately contracts are still being negotiated in the US and we hope to be back on air very soon,
Best Wishes
WRC COM[/COLOR][/FONT]
| CirrusWRX | 01-25-2006 01:02 PM |
^ w00t for that.
Hopefully they'll be able to work something out soon because it looks like this could be a very exciting season with a lot of new faces.
Hopefully they'll be able to work something out soon because it looks like this could be a very exciting season with a lot of new faces.
| WagonMonster | 01-25-2006 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]^ w00t for that.
Hopefully they'll be able to work something out soon because it looks like this could be a very exciting season with a lot of new faces.[/QUOTE]
Actually, after watching Monte Carlo, I'm liking all the privateers.
Hopefully they'll be able to work something out soon because it looks like this could be a very exciting season with a lot of new faces.[/QUOTE]
Actually, after watching Monte Carlo, I'm liking all the privateers.
| XenoWolf | 01-25-2006 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Actually, after watching Monte Carlo, I'm liking all the privateers.[/QUOTE]
As long as Galli and Rovanpera can run a full season, I'll be satisfied. They're the only 'privateers' that I'm a big fan of. :cool:
As long as Galli and Rovanpera can run a full season, I'll be satisfied. They're the only 'privateers' that I'm a big fan of. :cool:
| SubaruImpreza_power | 01-26-2006 09:39 AM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Calling Despain won't help, I actually feel bad for the guy. He gets it from all ends already (people pissed about him 'selling out', people pissed about too much NASCAR).
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
Holy Crap, never seen him like that before... but yea I agree on him being just about the only good one left after the change over, but I just watch speed for F1 Racing and WRC.
[URL=http://www.xenovitalis.com/videos/despain.wmv]Example of how much he loates us already[/URL]
Seriously, don't spam the **** out of Dave, he's the only good thing Speed has at this point (as far as regular programming goes). He's a well rounded motorsports fan, not some ex-NASCAR commentator *cough*Speed News*cough*.[/QUOTE]
Holy Crap, never seen him like that before... but yea I agree on him being just about the only good one left after the change over, but I just watch speed for F1 Racing and WRC.
| SubaruImpreza_power | 01-26-2006 09:43 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]FTW.
Well said. All the "Speed Sucks" threads that keep popping up tend to remove that NASCAR, unlike the majority of other series, makes money for the station. I mean WRC has been on a steady slide and 4 manufactures pulling out at 1 time has to put some writing on the wall. Don't get me wrong, I don't like oval racing in the slightest but it looks like you have to have it to support F1, Moto GP, Speed GT and Touring, DTM, Aussie V-8 and whatever rally we can get.
I personally sent an email to the Speed Feedback section on their site.[/QUOTE]
Touring, DTM is pretty good, haah should check out the Truck racing if it ever still shows on Speed.
Well said. All the "Speed Sucks" threads that keep popping up tend to remove that NASCAR, unlike the majority of other series, makes money for the station. I mean WRC has been on a steady slide and 4 manufactures pulling out at 1 time has to put some writing on the wall. Don't get me wrong, I don't like oval racing in the slightest but it looks like you have to have it to support F1, Moto GP, Speed GT and Touring, DTM, Aussie V-8 and whatever rally we can get.
I personally sent an email to the Speed Feedback section on their site.[/QUOTE]
Touring, DTM is pretty good, haah should check out the Truck racing if it ever still shows on Speed.
| Howl | 01-26-2006 09:54 AM |
Why is everyone hung up on SPEED showing WRC? It needs to be picked up by OLN or one of the other sports channels, or one of the major networks even? Almost any broadcaster that can do a better job of presenting it than SPEED did. TSN in Canada often carries the Canadian Rally Championship events. I'd be very happy if they ended up with the WRC contract because they would probably show it during prime time, not at 3am like Rally Deutchland last year.
| SubaruImpreza_power | 01-26-2006 09:56 AM |
Because I don't Subscribe to the OLN and Cablevision is Greedy.
| hikeeba | 01-26-2006 11:04 AM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]NASCAR fans are for the most part rednecks, hillibillies and hicks. I wouldn't call them idiots necessarily. What do you expect from a sport so deeply rooted in the south?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about this. I somewhat agree with the first part, however there are a bunch of guys in our office that are certainly not rednecks, nor are they big into cars, and they watch NASCAR. I think they do it because it's the [B]'popular'[/B] thing to do. Plus, it's pretty easy to understand (idiot factor?).
Yes, the whole NASCORE thing may be deeply rooted in the South, but there are plenty of roots here in WI, too. Slinger Speedway is dubbed "The World's Fastest 1/4 Mile," and it's an oval.
I can't stand NASCAR, but I can sort of see the appeal. Lots of people get into it on a local level, and then it grows from there. Granted, a lot of people are into AutoX and other SCCA pursuits, so why don't we see more road racing on TV? So what is the deal; why is NASCAR so huge, and the more 'sophisticated' motorsports are being pushed to the side? Is it all marketing? Is it because anyone can pick up a $500 junker and take it to a 'Run what ya Brung?" Where have we, as true motorsports fans, gone wrong?
I am sad, and I will miss seeing WRC coverage. I am not interested in NASCAR. The things I once enjoyed watching on Speed are becoming very few and far between.
I don't know about this. I somewhat agree with the first part, however there are a bunch of guys in our office that are certainly not rednecks, nor are they big into cars, and they watch NASCAR. I think they do it because it's the [B]'popular'[/B] thing to do. Plus, it's pretty easy to understand (idiot factor?).
Yes, the whole NASCORE thing may be deeply rooted in the South, but there are plenty of roots here in WI, too. Slinger Speedway is dubbed "The World's Fastest 1/4 Mile," and it's an oval.
I can't stand NASCAR, but I can sort of see the appeal. Lots of people get into it on a local level, and then it grows from there. Granted, a lot of people are into AutoX and other SCCA pursuits, so why don't we see more road racing on TV? So what is the deal; why is NASCAR so huge, and the more 'sophisticated' motorsports are being pushed to the side? Is it all marketing? Is it because anyone can pick up a $500 junker and take it to a 'Run what ya Brung?" Where have we, as true motorsports fans, gone wrong?
I am sad, and I will miss seeing WRC coverage. I am not interested in NASCAR. The things I once enjoyed watching on Speed are becoming very few and far between.
| WagonMonster | 01-26-2006 11:17 AM |
There are plenty of Rednecks in Wisconsin too.
| jamesohoh7 | 01-26-2006 11:29 AM |
^^^ hikeeba, I think you've hit it: NASCAR is apparently very easy to 'relate to' inasmuch as it's basically 'car wrestling'. It is very easy to pick a side to be on... go look in your driveway. Well, not so much anymore, but most fans that are 30+ grew up in an American car at some point most likely. Those initial affiliations "My daddy done always buy Chivvies... I's a Chivvy Man!" carry through, even when they're in their Accords.
I used to watch NASCAR as a 'yewt' :) .. but, some my favorite drivers started dieing (Neil Bonnet) and then the cars got less and less unique (I'm talking mid/late 70's all through the 80's.. I stopped in the early 90's). I can't watch it anymore, it pales in comparison to how it used to be... warts and all. It used to be that the car itself was the star... and if a given manufacturer made a significant advancement with their car, they won and deservedly so.
Now, it's all so cookie-cutter looking. meh.
I used to watch NASCAR as a 'yewt' :) .. but, some my favorite drivers started dieing (Neil Bonnet) and then the cars got less and less unique (I'm talking mid/late 70's all through the 80's.. I stopped in the early 90's). I can't watch it anymore, it pales in comparison to how it used to be... warts and all. It used to be that the car itself was the star... and if a given manufacturer made a significant advancement with their car, they won and deservedly so.
Now, it's all so cookie-cutter looking. meh.
| Dr. WOT | 01-26-2006 01:10 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Actually, after watching Monte Carlo, I'm liking all the privateers.[/QUOTE]
I agree
I agree
| FaastLegacy | 01-26-2006 01:11 PM |
[QUOTE=jamesohoh7]^^^ hikeeba, I think you've hit it: NASCAR is apparently very easy to 'relate to' inasmuch as it's basically 'car wrestling'. It is very easy to pick a side to be on... go look in your driveway. Well, not so much anymore, but most fans that are 30+ grew up in an American car at some point most likely. Those initial affiliations "My daddy done always buy Chivvies... I's a Chivvy Man!" carry through, even when they're in their Accords.
I used to watch NASCAR as a 'yewt' :) .. but, some my favorite drivers started dieing (Neil Bonnet) and then the cars got less and less unique (I'm talking mid/late 70's all through the 80's.. I stopped in the early 90's). I can't watch it anymore, it pales in comparison to how it used to be... warts and all. It used to be that the car itself was the star... and if a given manufacturer made a significant advancement with their car, they won and deservedly so.
Now, it's all so cookie-cutter looking. meh.[/QUOTE]
I used to like NASCAR, but it was much more appealing with the old school drivers before it became commericialized. Now it's mostly a bunch of kids that whine and complain too much. And when the cars actually still looked a bit like they're road going counterparts.
Now they've got this "car of the future" coming out that's going to turn the sport on its head. NASCAR is quickly becoming very much like IROC, only more popular.
I used to watch NASCAR as a 'yewt' :) .. but, some my favorite drivers started dieing (Neil Bonnet) and then the cars got less and less unique (I'm talking mid/late 70's all through the 80's.. I stopped in the early 90's). I can't watch it anymore, it pales in comparison to how it used to be... warts and all. It used to be that the car itself was the star... and if a given manufacturer made a significant advancement with their car, they won and deservedly so.
Now, it's all so cookie-cutter looking. meh.[/QUOTE]
I used to like NASCAR, but it was much more appealing with the old school drivers before it became commericialized. Now it's mostly a bunch of kids that whine and complain too much. And when the cars actually still looked a bit like they're road going counterparts.
Now they've got this "car of the future" coming out that's going to turn the sport on its head. NASCAR is quickly becoming very much like IROC, only more popular.
| jamesohoh7 | 01-26-2006 06:12 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]I used to like NASCAR, but it was much more appealing with the old school drivers before it became commericialized. Now it's mostly a bunch of kids that whine and complain too much. And when the cars actually still looked a bit like they're road going counterparts.
Now they've got this "car of the future" coming out that's going to turn the sport on its head. NASCAR is quickly becoming very much like IROC, only more popular.[/QUOTE]
Agree... the old school drivers of just the 70's/80's were still kind of attached to the formative years. Maybe I don't remember as well as I think, but I also tend to agree with you that the older generation bitched less and raced more. But, fond-memories are what they are.
It strikes me that this new 'car of the future' thing smaks of NHRA Funny Car racing. There's a few chassis builders, and everyone runs the same engine combo, and then they stick a Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Whatever body on it and get -corporate- backing from said body-affiliation. No one pays attention that that 'Camaro' just won the race.... with a hemi-derived engine. People are rooting for a body-shell. meh.
At least Pro-Stock still uses brand-specific engines.
Now they've got this "car of the future" coming out that's going to turn the sport on its head. NASCAR is quickly becoming very much like IROC, only more popular.[/QUOTE]
Agree... the old school drivers of just the 70's/80's were still kind of attached to the formative years. Maybe I don't remember as well as I think, but I also tend to agree with you that the older generation bitched less and raced more. But, fond-memories are what they are.
It strikes me that this new 'car of the future' thing smaks of NHRA Funny Car racing. There's a few chassis builders, and everyone runs the same engine combo, and then they stick a Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Whatever body on it and get -corporate- backing from said body-affiliation. No one pays attention that that 'Camaro' just won the race.... with a hemi-derived engine. People are rooting for a body-shell. meh.
At least Pro-Stock still uses brand-specific engines.
| codemunky | 01-26-2006 10:52 PM |
Eh just download it. Go underground. Join the movement.
| slowscooby | 01-26-2006 11:11 PM |
Ok sorry guys I'm guess I'm late to the party here. I'm assuming Speed has dropped the WRc coverage for ythis season? I was looking for it and wondering when the hell they were planning on showing it.
Is there a place we can D/L the coverage?
Is there a place we can D/L the coverage?
| SubaruImpreza_power | 01-26-2006 11:13 PM |
[QUOTE=slowscooby]Ok sorry guys I'm guess I'm late to the party here. I'm assuming Speed has dropped the WRc coverage for ythis season? I was looking for it and wondering when the hell they were planning on showing it.
Is there a place we can D/L the coverage?[/QUOTE]
all 3 days
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925553[/url]
And No Speed is not covering WRC as of yet.
Is there a place we can D/L the coverage?[/QUOTE]
all 3 days
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=925553[/url]
And No Speed is not covering WRC as of yet.
| steve_d | 01-27-2006 07:34 AM |
[QUOTE=jamesohoh7]Agree... the old school drivers of just the 70's/80's were still kind of attached to the formative years. Maybe I don't remember as well as I think, but I also tend to agree with you that the older generation bitched less and raced more. But, fond-memories are what they are.
It strikes me that this new 'car of the future' thing smaks of NHRA Funny Car racing. There's a few chassis builders, and everyone runs the same engine combo, and then they stick a Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Whatever body on it and get -corporate- backing from said body-affiliation. No one pays attention that that 'Camaro' just won the race.... with a hemi-derived engine. People are rooting for a body-shell. meh.
At least Pro-Stock still uses brand-specific engines.[/QUOTE]
It worked for grand-am.
sjd
I'm gonna be a camry fan in Nascar!!!! 2007 woot!!!!
It strikes me that this new 'car of the future' thing smaks of NHRA Funny Car racing. There's a few chassis builders, and everyone runs the same engine combo, and then they stick a Chevy/Ford/Dodge/Whatever body on it and get -corporate- backing from said body-affiliation. No one pays attention that that 'Camaro' just won the race.... with a hemi-derived engine. People are rooting for a body-shell. meh.
At least Pro-Stock still uses brand-specific engines.[/QUOTE]
It worked for grand-am.
sjd
I'm gonna be a camry fan in Nascar!!!! 2007 woot!!!!
| Phil Jr. | 01-27-2006 01:08 PM |
[QUOTE=hikeeba]I don't know about this. I somewhat agree with the first part, however there are a bunch of guys in our office that are certainly not rednecks, nor are they big into cars, and they watch NASCAR. I think they do it because it's the [b]'popular'[/b] thing to do. Plus, it's pretty easy to understand (idiot factor?).
Yes, the whole NASCORE thing may be deeply rooted in the South, but there are plenty of roots here in WI, too. Slinger Speedway is dubbed "The World's Fastest 1/4 Mile," and it's an oval.
I can't stand NASCAR, but I can sort of see the appeal. Lots of people get into it on a local level, and then it grows from there. Granted, a lot of people are into AutoX and other SCCA pursuits, so why don't we see more road racing on TV? So what is the deal; why is NASCAR so huge, and the more 'sophisticated' motorsports are being pushed to the side? Is it all marketing? Is it because anyone can pick up a $500 junker and take it to a 'Run what ya Brung?" Where have we, as true motorsports fans, gone wrong?
I am sad, and I will miss seeing WRC coverage. I am not interested in NASCAR. The things I once enjoyed watching on Speed are becoming very few and far between.[/QUOTE]
I think the reason it is so popular is because half the USA probably doesnt even know other forms of racing on a track exist. So they all flock to NASCAR, and of course the rating hungry networks all cater to them. Plus just think about it....a majority of "sub-par" intelligence fans + TONS of advertising = lots of money. Those beer and truck commecials never get old!
Everbody wins, except for the people that realize racing around an oval track for 500laps is LESS exciting than watching a hamster run on a wheel.
Besides we all know the real reason people watch NASCAR is for the crashes. Again appeasing the sub-par intelligence group who enjoy a weekend of burning crashes rather than a real race.
Yes, the whole NASCORE thing may be deeply rooted in the South, but there are plenty of roots here in WI, too. Slinger Speedway is dubbed "The World's Fastest 1/4 Mile," and it's an oval.
I can't stand NASCAR, but I can sort of see the appeal. Lots of people get into it on a local level, and then it grows from there. Granted, a lot of people are into AutoX and other SCCA pursuits, so why don't we see more road racing on TV? So what is the deal; why is NASCAR so huge, and the more 'sophisticated' motorsports are being pushed to the side? Is it all marketing? Is it because anyone can pick up a $500 junker and take it to a 'Run what ya Brung?" Where have we, as true motorsports fans, gone wrong?
I am sad, and I will miss seeing WRC coverage. I am not interested in NASCAR. The things I once enjoyed watching on Speed are becoming very few and far between.[/QUOTE]
I think the reason it is so popular is because half the USA probably doesnt even know other forms of racing on a track exist. So they all flock to NASCAR, and of course the rating hungry networks all cater to them. Plus just think about it....a majority of "sub-par" intelligence fans + TONS of advertising = lots of money. Those beer and truck commecials never get old!
Everbody wins, except for the people that realize racing around an oval track for 500laps is LESS exciting than watching a hamster run on a wheel.
Besides we all know the real reason people watch NASCAR is for the crashes. Again appeasing the sub-par intelligence group who enjoy a weekend of burning crashes rather than a real race.
| Slack | 01-27-2006 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]There is [b]a ridiculous amount[/b] of Rednecks in Wisconsin too.[/QUOTE]
Fixed
Fixed
| re-zero | 01-29-2006 09:27 PM |
Speed giveth and Speed taketh away. Zoinks! Cancel your cable service and be done with it. I dropped the $5 sports package and let my cable subscriber know why WHEN THEY ASKED. Thank you Speed Channel for your coverage, it was primo while it lasted. No hard feelings. Let it go and give Despain some respect. He interviewed Solberg last year for God's sake. How many Nascar guys were saying "who the hell is this guy?" Let's support American Pro Rally as much as we support the WRC and maybe Rally will get some press it rightfully deserves. Bring the WRC here!
| jeisen | 01-30-2006 12:01 AM |
someone should suggest to eurosport or such to make their wrc coverage available for download online for a small fee. Just another place they can make some money with the footage they already paid for...
| OneArmedScissor | 01-30-2006 03:42 AM |
WRC Crashes > Nascar Crashes
WRC Cars > Nascar cars....nascar cars have absolutely no resemblance to real life cars.
WRC Action > Nascar action: cars going around in a circle lap after lap or cars sliding through the dirt, throwing sand gravel and mud all over fans, parts getting ripped off the car as it slides through a corner and drivers who physically beat the crap outta their cars when something goes wrong (mcrae anyone?)
nascar is watched because it's there. Nascar is an advertising phenomenon. If they put me in charge of creating a motorsports show in speed channel I garauntee it would be one of the most popular shows on television.
What we need is something like best motoring to come on. We need weird and funny contests like "take 16 year old girl drifting with ken guchi after a hot dog eating contest"
or driving lessons on TV.
We need to get away from the NOPI TUNERVISION style shows which don't really have much appeal to car fans, have no educational value and poor entertainment value.
People don't like to see that stuff, but they watch it because it's all that's there.
I swear the people at speed are SO OUT OF TOUCH with the youth culture of today, as are a lot of the 40+ year old execs who make the decisions in the entertainment industry.
If I got into broadcast I would make a motorsports show and it would make so much money off of advertising and it's popularity.
WRC Cars > Nascar cars....nascar cars have absolutely no resemblance to real life cars.
WRC Action > Nascar action: cars going around in a circle lap after lap or cars sliding through the dirt, throwing sand gravel and mud all over fans, parts getting ripped off the car as it slides through a corner and drivers who physically beat the crap outta their cars when something goes wrong (mcrae anyone?)
nascar is watched because it's there. Nascar is an advertising phenomenon. If they put me in charge of creating a motorsports show in speed channel I garauntee it would be one of the most popular shows on television.
What we need is something like best motoring to come on. We need weird and funny contests like "take 16 year old girl drifting with ken guchi after a hot dog eating contest"
or driving lessons on TV.
We need to get away from the NOPI TUNERVISION style shows which don't really have much appeal to car fans, have no educational value and poor entertainment value.
People don't like to see that stuff, but they watch it because it's all that's there.
I swear the people at speed are SO OUT OF TOUCH with the youth culture of today, as are a lot of the 40+ year old execs who make the decisions in the entertainment industry.
If I got into broadcast I would make a motorsports show and it would make so much money off of advertising and it's popularity.
| re-zero | 01-31-2006 04:24 PM |
I'm really interested in what Subaru of America has to say. Being that their last 5 years has been devoted to the Impreza platform, and it's role in motorsports. Was Solberg's failure to capture the driver's crown a buzzkill for SOA's ad campaign this year? Maybe they couldn't package the Impreza in the WRC this year that had an
instant positive spin.
instant positive spin.
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