| martinus | 12-25-2006 08:24 PM |
Whats with the Hella horns ?
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( Thats a brand name, not slang. )
The ones that HAVE to be in/behind the grill ?
Are they an upgrade ? ...they sound like my stock VW horns. :rolleyes:
The ones that HAVE to be in/behind the grill ?
Are they an upgrade ? ...they sound like my stock VW horns. :rolleyes:
| Gfunk720 | 12-25-2006 08:27 PM |
They dont have to be behind the grill, they just look cool there
If you honestly think they sound like VW horns you havent heard them. Mine makes anyone standing within 10 feet of the front of my car ears ring.
If you honestly think they sound like VW horns you havent heard them. Mine makes anyone standing within 10 feet of the front of my car ears ring.
| martinus | 12-25-2006 08:35 PM |
[QUOTE=Gfunk720;16439699]They dont have to be behind the grill, they just look cool there
If you honestly think they sound like VW horns you havent heard them. Mine makes anyone standing within 10 feet of the front of my car ears ring.[/QUOTE]
Notheydont...
I've heard them, ( <-- VW tech ) they def. sound like ( watercooled ) VW horns.
If [i]they[/i] make peoples "ears ring", what happenes from hearing the Hella double or tripple air horns ??? :D :devil:
If you honestly think they sound like VW horns you havent heard them. Mine makes anyone standing within 10 feet of the front of my car ears ring.[/QUOTE]
Notheydont...
I've heard them, ( <-- VW tech ) they def. sound like ( watercooled ) VW horns.
If [i]they[/i] make peoples "ears ring", what happenes from hearing the Hella double or tripple air horns ??? :D :devil:
| Gfunk720 | 12-25-2006 09:27 PM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16439749]Notheydont...
I've heard them, ( <-- VW tech ) they def. sound like ( watercooled ) VW horns.
If [i]they[/i] make peoples "ears ring", what happenes from hearing the Hella double or tripple air horns ??? :D :devil:[/QUOTE]
Yes. They do...at 118 DB they are 20+ DB louder than your VW horns. Maybe the pitch is the same, but not the intensity
I dont care what you are, you are wrong.
Thanks for playing
I've heard them, ( <-- VW tech ) they def. sound like ( watercooled ) VW horns.
If [i]they[/i] make peoples "ears ring", what happenes from hearing the Hella double or tripple air horns ??? :D :devil:[/QUOTE]
Yes. They do...at 118 DB they are 20+ DB louder than your VW horns. Maybe the pitch is the same, but not the intensity
I dont care what you are, you are wrong.
Thanks for playing
| Psybin | 12-25-2006 09:31 PM |
It's weird, they arent really that loud in side the car. Very directional. I love using them on stupid drivers. :devil:
| reality1011 | 12-25-2006 09:34 PM |
Ive pressed the horn with a person right infront of my car, on 2 seperate occassions, and 1 made the person jump the other made the person flinch backwards.
I think they are a great upgrade compared to the weak sounding stock horn...
I think they are a great upgrade compared to the weak sounding stock horn...
| Honest Bob | 12-25-2006 10:43 PM |
Yeah, the hellas are really loud. I allways tell people to stand to the side when I am showing them off. They WILL cause hearing damage.
| Donzo | 12-25-2006 10:47 PM |
They are very directional though. Standing directly in front of or 4 feet to the side will be a huge difference in sound intensity.
| wagonmasta | 12-25-2006 10:52 PM |
they're also really good at clearing wildlife out of the way when you're flying through the forest at 80+ mph
| srfrdude21 | 12-25-2006 11:34 PM |
I have the hella air horns in my 911 and I can garuntee hearing loss in anyone standing within 10 feet
| martinus | 12-25-2006 11:43 PM |
[QUOTE=Gfunk720;16440049]Yes. They do...at 118 DB they are 20+ DB louder than your VW horns. Maybe the pitch is the same, but not the intensity
I dont care what you are, you are wrong.
Thanks for playing[/QUOTE]
OK, lets get all the BS out of the way.
You are an idiot !
Mostly because of the last 2 sentences... IDK what you are either, my "vw tech" comment was there for r e f e r e n c e . As in, I hear them all day long.
The last comment was cute... does that mean you know what you are talking about... because you def. have your db vs. Hz. BACKWARDS. Maybe look it up, BEFORE you start "throwing" them around...
Back OT.
Why those, why there, why so popular ?
I dont care what you are, you are wrong.
Thanks for playing[/QUOTE]
OK, lets get all the BS out of the way.
You are an idiot !
Mostly because of the last 2 sentences... IDK what you are either, my "vw tech" comment was there for r e f e r e n c e . As in, I hear them all day long.
The last comment was cute... does that mean you know what you are talking about... because you def. have your db vs. Hz. BACKWARDS. Maybe look it up, BEFORE you start "throwing" them around...
Back OT.
Why those, why there, why so popular ?
| G3Red04WRX | 12-25-2006 11:45 PM |
Anyone that says the Hella 85115 kit is not loud has to be deaf. I have scared the crap out of several oncoming vehicles that have decided to blow a red on a left turn when i was in the front of line waiting to go straight when my light has turned green. One guy got so disoriented from the blast of the horns, i think he pissed himself halfway thru the turn.
If you are not deaf, and have never been on the receiving end on a pair of 118db hellas, you have no place telling people who own them anything about them. Sure, they may sound like your stock VW horns, but theres no way in hell that your stock VW horns create the same output volume that the hellas do.
If you are not deaf, and have never been on the receiving end on a pair of 118db hellas, you have no place telling people who own them anything about them. Sure, they may sound like your stock VW horns, but theres no way in hell that your stock VW horns create the same output volume that the hellas do.
| martinus | 12-25-2006 11:53 PM |
[QUOTE=G3Red04WRX;16440969]Anyone that says the Hella 85115 kit is not loud has to be deaf. I have scared the crap out of several oncoming vehicles that have decided to blow a red on a left turn when i was in the front of line waiting to go straight when my light has turned green. One guy got so disoriented from the blast of the horns, i think he pissed himself halfway thru the turn.
If you are not deaf, and have never been on the receiving end on a pair of 118db hellas, you have no place telling people who own them anything about them. Sure, they may sound like your stock VW horns, but theres no way in hell that your stock VW horns create the same output volume that the hellas do.[/QUOTE]
Actually most car horns are around 100 db's, there is another # on the hella wesite. That will tell you, why you guys [b]think[/b] the supertones are louder ( volume/db ) ...
STOP POSTING db NUMBERS ! :furious: They are not relevant.
You can have a [b]100 db, 300 Hz car horn[/b] & a [b]100 db, 600 Hz car horn[/b].
I bet you guys a wooden nickel, ALL of you will say the second horn in my example is louder. ( ... in volume which is, measured db's. )
Oops did I give it away... Let me know when you guys figure it out. :D
If you are not deaf, and have never been on the receiving end on a pair of 118db hellas, you have no place telling people who own them anything about them. Sure, they may sound like your stock VW horns, but theres no way in hell that your stock VW horns create the same output volume that the hellas do.[/QUOTE]
Actually most car horns are around 100 db's, there is another # on the hella wesite. That will tell you, why you guys [b]think[/b] the supertones are louder ( volume/db ) ...
STOP POSTING db NUMBERS ! :furious: They are not relevant.
You can have a [b]100 db, 300 Hz car horn[/b] & a [b]100 db, 600 Hz car horn[/b].
I bet you guys a wooden nickel, ALL of you will say the second horn in my example is louder. ( ... in volume which is, measured db's. )
Oops did I give it away... Let me know when you guys figure it out. :D
| dauss | 12-26-2006 12:02 AM |
I don't know what VW horns sounds like, but it definitely has a higher pitch than the Subaru OEM ones.
| semaj | 12-26-2006 12:14 AM |
To the OP...which Hella horns are you referring to first of all? Airhorns? Made in India Supertones? or the better, Made in Germany Supertones?
I've owned several VW's (Corrado, Mk4 Jetta, Mk2 GTi) and I didn't think my VW horns sounded like Supertones at all :confused:
I've owned several VW's (Corrado, Mk4 Jetta, Mk2 GTi) and I didn't think my VW horns sounded like Supertones at all :confused:
| Gfunk720 | 12-26-2006 12:20 AM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16440958]OK, lets get all the BS out of the way.
You are an idiot !
Mostly because of the last 2 sentences... IDK what you are either, my "vw tech" comment was there for r e f e r e n c e . As in, I hear them all day long.
The last comment was cute... does that mean you know what you are talking about... because you def. have your db vs. Hz. BACKWARDS. Maybe look it up, BEFORE you start "throwing" them around...
Back OT.
Why those, why there, why so popular ?[/QUOTE]
Whatever n00b, you dont know a thing about me. Thanks for bashing me too, real mature. Not that being a VW tech is a real reputable position...;) (trust me, I had a MkIV Jetta) Not to mention your post urging an 05 WRX owner to re-install his MBC because he is only making wastegate pressure
Ummm, actually I dont have my have my hz. and db backwards. Look at what everyone else in this thread is saying. Obviously if you think the two are comperable, you are certainly in the minority...
The reason they are so popular smarty pants is because they are a significant increase in horn volume. I have prevented more than one accident using my supertones before...and they looking bitchin
PS: Im talking made in Germany Supertones
You are an idiot !
Mostly because of the last 2 sentences... IDK what you are either, my "vw tech" comment was there for r e f e r e n c e . As in, I hear them all day long.
The last comment was cute... does that mean you know what you are talking about... because you def. have your db vs. Hz. BACKWARDS. Maybe look it up, BEFORE you start "throwing" them around...
Back OT.
Why those, why there, why so popular ?[/QUOTE]
Whatever n00b, you dont know a thing about me. Thanks for bashing me too, real mature. Not that being a VW tech is a real reputable position...;) (trust me, I had a MkIV Jetta) Not to mention your post urging an 05 WRX owner to re-install his MBC because he is only making wastegate pressure
Ummm, actually I dont have my have my hz. and db backwards. Look at what everyone else in this thread is saying. Obviously if you think the two are comperable, you are certainly in the minority...
The reason they are so popular smarty pants is because they are a significant increase in horn volume. I have prevented more than one accident using my supertones before...and they looking bitchin
PS: Im talking made in Germany Supertones
| martinus | 12-26-2006 12:22 AM |
[QUOTE=semaj;16441151]To the OP...which Hella horns are you referring to first of all? Airhorns? Made in India Supertones? or the better, Made in Germany Supertones?
I've owned several VW's (Corrado, Mk4 Jetta, Mk2 GTi) and I didn't think my VW horns sounded like Supertones at all :confused:[/QUOTE]
The (red) Hella supertones. Just wanting to know why they are so popular in the Subaru world... everyone concentrated/ing on my vw comment.
I've owned several VW's (Corrado, Mk4 Jetta, Mk2 GTi) and I didn't think my VW horns sounded like Supertones at all :confused:[/QUOTE]
The (red) Hella supertones. Just wanting to know why they are so popular in the Subaru world... everyone concentrated/ing on my vw comment.
| FigNuts | 12-26-2006 12:23 AM |
Functional and attractive
| semaj | 12-26-2006 01:00 AM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16441201]The (red) Hella supertones. Just wanting to know why they are so popular in the Subaru world... everyone concentrated/ing on my vw comment.[/QUOTE]
There are 2 types of Supertones...The German made ones are better than the Indian made ones. They are popular because they look cool, and they are loud!
There are 2 types of Supertones...The German made ones are better than the Indian made ones. They are popular because they look cool, and they are loud!
| sperry7 | 12-26-2006 01:36 AM |
I know I'm in the minority here but I DON'T find the Hella's (from Germany) to be very loud. Annoying maybe, but not extremely loud.
Plus I find them very played out among the subaru community, like so many other things.
Next summer I am hoping to get a real air horn and making a bracket for it behind my fog light covers.
Plus I find them very played out among the subaru community, like so many other things.
Next summer I am hoping to get a real air horn and making a bracket for it behind my fog light covers.
| WRXDriftR | 12-26-2006 01:45 AM |
ok, they may not be super LOUD, but they are louder than stock by a formidable amount. They dont compare with an air compressor and an air horn like a dump truck or firetruck would have, or a train :lol: but they are a good affordable upgrade for a car that ALSO looks good.
I think thats the answer you're looking for.
[img]http://web.njit.edu/~cdm4/WRX%20Pics/WRX%20Grass8.JPG[/img]
I think thats the answer you're looking for.
[img]http://web.njit.edu/~cdm4/WRX%20Pics/WRX%20Grass8.JPG[/img]
| Wannascooby | 12-26-2006 02:19 AM |
[QUOTE=sperry7;16441589]I know I'm in the minority here but I DON'T find the Hella's (from Germany) to be very loud. Annoying maybe, but not extremely loud.
Plus I find them very played out among the subaru community, like so many other things.[/QUOTE]
They are louder than any stock horn that i've heard. You probably need to stand in front of the horns.
What else do you find that is played out in the subaru community?? Because I can't really think of any other car that doesn't have a bunch of played out mods. Perhaps the lip, wingless, horns, fmic, and what else are played out. The boxer rumble? If something is played out then they have been used so often or installed so often that they are lame. I still see a bunch of old and brand new subarus rock hellas. So played out? No...not really.
Plus I find them very played out among the subaru community, like so many other things.[/QUOTE]
They are louder than any stock horn that i've heard. You probably need to stand in front of the horns.
What else do you find that is played out in the subaru community?? Because I can't really think of any other car that doesn't have a bunch of played out mods. Perhaps the lip, wingless, horns, fmic, and what else are played out. The boxer rumble? If something is played out then they have been used so often or installed so often that they are lame. I still see a bunch of old and brand new subarus rock hellas. So played out? No...not really.
| teh Phil | 12-26-2006 02:21 AM |
I love my supertones, but I personally think they look tacky. Painted stealth black FTW.
| bluestonepath | 12-26-2006 02:49 AM |
i want some hellas. there are PLENTY of occasions when i wish my horn was louder.
| STi-JDM | 12-26-2006 02:56 AM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16439682]( Thats a brand name, not slang. )
The ones that HAVE to be in/behind the grill ?
Are they an upgrade ? ...they sound like my stock VW horns. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
yeap, they are an upgrade, and it's louder than the stock horns... I used it couple times to warn a trailer drivers that started to feel sleepy and move around the highway. :) tried it with my stock horns, doesn't do anything to em... :)
The ones that HAVE to be in/behind the grill ?
Are they an upgrade ? ...they sound like my stock VW horns. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
yeap, they are an upgrade, and it's louder than the stock horns... I used it couple times to warn a trailer drivers that started to feel sleepy and move around the highway. :) tried it with my stock horns, doesn't do anything to em... :)
| wrXmon | 12-26-2006 02:47 PM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16439682]
Are they an upgrade ? ...they sound like my stock VW horns. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
As an ex-VW owner that had replaced the OE horn with Hella dual-tone air horns, I can tell you that the Supertones are louder that they were also.
I'm patiently waiting on some Supertones for my wagon.:banana:
Are they an upgrade ? ...they sound like my stock VW horns. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
As an ex-VW owner that had replaced the OE horn with Hella dual-tone air horns, I can tell you that the Supertones are louder that they were also.
I'm patiently waiting on some Supertones for my wagon.:banana:
| G3Red04WRX | 12-26-2006 05:03 PM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16441016]Actually most car horns are around 100 db's, there is another # on the hella wesite. That will tell you, why you guys [b]think[/b] the supertones are louder ( volume/db ) ...
STOP POSTING db NUMBERS ! :furious: They are not relevant.
You can have a [b]100 db, 300 Hz car horn[/b] & a [b]100 db, 600 Hz car horn[/b].
I bet you guys a wooden nickel, ALL of you will say the second horn in my example is louder. ( ... in volume which is, measured db's. )
Oops did I give it away... Let me know when you guys figure it out. :D[/QUOTE]
Wow you really are the most ignorant person posting in this thread, especially for being the OP of this thread...
Speaking in terms of "volume" 100dB @ 300Hz = 100dB @ 600 Hz. There is ABSOLUTELY NO difference in VOLUME between them. 100dB = 100dB regardless what frequency the sound is output at. The frequency of the horns sinewave is what makes it "sound" louder to the human ear. 118dB > 100dB regardless of the frequency of the tone being produced, end of story. The dB level of the horn is actually quite relevant to the loudness of the horn when combined with the frequency of the horn. A 600 Hz @ 100 dB horn is going to be quite a bit quieter to the ear than a 600 Hz @ 118 dB horn. Theres no possible way you can scientifically disprove this. And to continue arguing a scientific fact will prove just how immature and stubborn you are being trying to prove a point that can not be proven.
Sound like your VW horns, sure, theres no reason they cant sound like them.
Louder than your VW horns, unless your stock VW horns are rated @ 118 dB, then absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt yes the supertones are louder than your stock VW horns.
Also, to say that they are a "Subaru" thing is extremely prejudice and profiling. There are MILLIONS of pairs of the horns sold worldwide, and I doubt that there isnt a single recent brand of car on the roads, that at least an owner has put them in his car. Ive seen everything from cavaliers, to ferarris that have had a pair of Hella Supertones installed on. For Subaru, its just a very easy install, looks very attractive behind the upper grill, and is a relatively inexpensive upgrade that is actually functional to some degree compared to the stock part being upgraded.
Buy a set of the Hella Supertones, install them, and come back here after having someone set them off while you are standing in front of them, then come back here with firsthand experience and tell the rest of us that HAVE them that they are no louder than the stock horns you replaced them with. Thats one post i dont see ever being made, unless its out of spite, or stubborn immaturity. So actually, its probably a sure bet your going to make another smart ass comment back to try and justify yourself as a VW Tech and how your VW horns are the same, when they are scientifically NOT. Either that, or the post will just be in retaliation since in this thread alone you have proven how immature your thought process works.
(And actually, i'm half expecting to be quoted again, and yelled at for improper grammar so that the OP can feel better about himself for getting called out on a subject he obviously has no legitimate grasp on)
STOP POSTING db NUMBERS ! :furious: They are not relevant.
You can have a [b]100 db, 300 Hz car horn[/b] & a [b]100 db, 600 Hz car horn[/b].
I bet you guys a wooden nickel, ALL of you will say the second horn in my example is louder. ( ... in volume which is, measured db's. )
Oops did I give it away... Let me know when you guys figure it out. :D[/QUOTE]
Wow you really are the most ignorant person posting in this thread, especially for being the OP of this thread...
Speaking in terms of "volume" 100dB @ 300Hz = 100dB @ 600 Hz. There is ABSOLUTELY NO difference in VOLUME between them. 100dB = 100dB regardless what frequency the sound is output at. The frequency of the horns sinewave is what makes it "sound" louder to the human ear. 118dB > 100dB regardless of the frequency of the tone being produced, end of story. The dB level of the horn is actually quite relevant to the loudness of the horn when combined with the frequency of the horn. A 600 Hz @ 100 dB horn is going to be quite a bit quieter to the ear than a 600 Hz @ 118 dB horn. Theres no possible way you can scientifically disprove this. And to continue arguing a scientific fact will prove just how immature and stubborn you are being trying to prove a point that can not be proven.
Sound like your VW horns, sure, theres no reason they cant sound like them.
Louder than your VW horns, unless your stock VW horns are rated @ 118 dB, then absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt yes the supertones are louder than your stock VW horns.
Also, to say that they are a "Subaru" thing is extremely prejudice and profiling. There are MILLIONS of pairs of the horns sold worldwide, and I doubt that there isnt a single recent brand of car on the roads, that at least an owner has put them in his car. Ive seen everything from cavaliers, to ferarris that have had a pair of Hella Supertones installed on. For Subaru, its just a very easy install, looks very attractive behind the upper grill, and is a relatively inexpensive upgrade that is actually functional to some degree compared to the stock part being upgraded.
Buy a set of the Hella Supertones, install them, and come back here after having someone set them off while you are standing in front of them, then come back here with firsthand experience and tell the rest of us that HAVE them that they are no louder than the stock horns you replaced them with. Thats one post i dont see ever being made, unless its out of spite, or stubborn immaturity. So actually, its probably a sure bet your going to make another smart ass comment back to try and justify yourself as a VW Tech and how your VW horns are the same, when they are scientifically NOT. Either that, or the post will just be in retaliation since in this thread alone you have proven how immature your thought process works.
(And actually, i'm half expecting to be quoted again, and yelled at for improper grammar so that the OP can feel better about himself for getting called out on a subject he obviously has no legitimate grasp on)
| SiFuSpEc | 12-26-2006 05:11 PM |
um my hella supertones work
not just at honking at people, but on the motorway where i need them..
arrogant american soccer mothers in their SUV's , my cars roofline doesn't even come up to their window line..
honking = drop their cellphones and triple whoppers,
and its cheap, easy, and actually kinda stylish i suppose since they fit so well in the grills where there is open air, allowing for better directional sound
not just at honking at people, but on the motorway where i need them..
arrogant american soccer mothers in their SUV's , my cars roofline doesn't even come up to their window line..
honking = drop their cellphones and triple whoppers,
and its cheap, easy, and actually kinda stylish i suppose since they fit so well in the grills where there is open air, allowing for better directional sound
| Daishi00 | 12-26-2006 06:35 PM |
[QUOTE=G3Red04WRX;16445984]Wow you really are the most ignorant person posting in this thread, especially for being the OP of this thread...
Speaking in terms of "volume" 100dB @ 300Hz = 100dB @ 600 Hz. There is ABSOLUTELY NO difference in VOLUME between them. 100dB = 100dB regardless what frequency the sound is output at. The frequency of the horns sinewave is what makes it "sound" louder to the human ear. 118dB > 100dB regardless of the frequency of the tone being produced, end of story. The dB level of the horn is actually quite relevant to the loudness of the horn when combined with the frequency of the horn. A 600 Hz @ 100 dB horn is going to be quite a bit quieter to the ear than a 600 Hz @ 118 dB horn. Theres no possible way you can scientifically disprove this. And to continue arguing a scientific fact will prove just how immature and stubborn you are being trying to prove a point that can not be proven.
Sound like your VW horns, sure, theres no reason they cant sound like them.
Louder than your VW horns, unless your stock VW horns are rated @ 118 dB, then absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt yes the supertones are louder than your stock VW horns.
Also, to say that they are a "Subaru" thing is extremely prejudice and profiling. There are MILLIONS of pairs of the horns sold worldwide, and I doubt that there isnt a single recent brand of car on the roads, that at least an owner has put them in his car. Ive seen everything from cavaliers, to ferarris that have had a pair of Hella Supertones installed on. For Subaru, its just a very easy install, looks very attractive behind the upper grill, and is a relatively inexpensive upgrade that is actually functional to some degree compared to the stock part being upgraded.
Buy a set of the Hella Supertones, install them, and come back here after having someone set them off while you are standing in front of them, then come back here with firsthand experience and tell the rest of us that HAVE them that they are no louder than the stock horns you replaced them with. Thats one post i dont see ever being made, unless its out of spite, or stubborn immaturity. So actually, its probably a sure bet your going to make another smart ass comment back to try and justify yourself as a VW Tech and how your VW horns are the same, when they are scientifically NOT. Either that, or the post will just be in retaliation since in this thread alone you have proven how immature your thought process works.
(And actually, i'm half expecting to be quoted again, and yelled at for improper grammar so that the OP can feel better about himself for getting called out on a subject he obviously has no legitimate grasp on)[/QUOTE]
I was waiting for someone to break out simple physics to explain the uneducated comment that dB doesn't measure loudness... I mean every 6 dB you're doubling the intensity, so saying that 118 dB isn't louder than the stock horn has no concept of reality.
Speaking in terms of "volume" 100dB @ 300Hz = 100dB @ 600 Hz. There is ABSOLUTELY NO difference in VOLUME between them. 100dB = 100dB regardless what frequency the sound is output at. The frequency of the horns sinewave is what makes it "sound" louder to the human ear. 118dB > 100dB regardless of the frequency of the tone being produced, end of story. The dB level of the horn is actually quite relevant to the loudness of the horn when combined with the frequency of the horn. A 600 Hz @ 100 dB horn is going to be quite a bit quieter to the ear than a 600 Hz @ 118 dB horn. Theres no possible way you can scientifically disprove this. And to continue arguing a scientific fact will prove just how immature and stubborn you are being trying to prove a point that can not be proven.
Sound like your VW horns, sure, theres no reason they cant sound like them.
Louder than your VW horns, unless your stock VW horns are rated @ 118 dB, then absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt yes the supertones are louder than your stock VW horns.
Also, to say that they are a "Subaru" thing is extremely prejudice and profiling. There are MILLIONS of pairs of the horns sold worldwide, and I doubt that there isnt a single recent brand of car on the roads, that at least an owner has put them in his car. Ive seen everything from cavaliers, to ferarris that have had a pair of Hella Supertones installed on. For Subaru, its just a very easy install, looks very attractive behind the upper grill, and is a relatively inexpensive upgrade that is actually functional to some degree compared to the stock part being upgraded.
Buy a set of the Hella Supertones, install them, and come back here after having someone set them off while you are standing in front of them, then come back here with firsthand experience and tell the rest of us that HAVE them that they are no louder than the stock horns you replaced them with. Thats one post i dont see ever being made, unless its out of spite, or stubborn immaturity. So actually, its probably a sure bet your going to make another smart ass comment back to try and justify yourself as a VW Tech and how your VW horns are the same, when they are scientifically NOT. Either that, or the post will just be in retaliation since in this thread alone you have proven how immature your thought process works.
(And actually, i'm half expecting to be quoted again, and yelled at for improper grammar so that the OP can feel better about himself for getting called out on a subject he obviously has no legitimate grasp on)[/QUOTE]
I was waiting for someone to break out simple physics to explain the uneducated comment that dB doesn't measure loudness... I mean every 6 dB you're doubling the intensity, so saying that 118 dB isn't louder than the stock horn has no concept of reality.
| 02WHITEDUB | 12-26-2006 06:44 PM |
OP is not smart. Plain and simple.
If you think people don't get the concepts of frequency and amplitude...:rolleyes:
If you think people don't get the concepts of frequency and amplitude...:rolleyes:
| IDWRX | 12-26-2006 07:13 PM |
IMHO, they are popular because they are 1) red, 2) look like something evil living behind the grille, and 3) better than stock. Plus, they are a relatively cheap upgrade.
| Staples | 12-26-2006 07:24 PM |
any recommendations on where to purchase?
| tacomaprime | 12-26-2006 07:26 PM |
If you don't think they are loud, come stand in front of my car. I will honk them into your face and then you can see if they are loud or not.
| r8r4life | 12-26-2006 07:27 PM |
Those horns aren't that loud.[url]http://www.hornblasters.com/products/category.php?class=8[/url]
| STi-JDM | 12-26-2006 08:37 PM |
[QUOTE=r8r4life;16447019]Those horns aren't that loud.[url]http://www.hornblasters.com/products/category.php?class=8[/url][/QUOTE]
considering the price ;) it's just like comparing a Honda Civic single cam non-vtec to Lamborghini Murcielago. ;) and saying, "those hondas aren't that quick" ;)
considering the price ;) it's just like comparing a Honda Civic single cam non-vtec to Lamborghini Murcielago. ;) and saying, "those hondas aren't that quick" ;)
| wrXmon | 12-26-2006 09:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Staples;16446999]any recommendations on where to purchase?[/QUOTE]
Right here:[URL="http://www.safedrives.com/proddetail.asp?prod=H57003399801&cat=60"]http://www.safedrives.com[/URL]
Right here:[URL="http://www.safedrives.com/proddetail.asp?prod=H57003399801&cat=60"]http://www.safedrives.com[/URL]
| Phy6 | 12-27-2006 12:31 AM |
[QUOTE=wrXmon;16448060]Right here:[URL="http://www.safedrives.com/proddetail.asp?prod=H57003399801&cat=60"]http://www.safedrives.com[/URL][/QUOTE]
+1
They have a discount when you buy two pairs. The German made kit comes with two pancake style horns of different frequencies.
There are a few people on here (Unabomber?) who have two pairs up front. :lol:
+1
They have a discount when you buy two pairs. The German made kit comes with two pancake style horns of different frequencies.
There are a few people on here (Unabomber?) who have two pairs up front. :lol:
| Got_Gravel? | 12-27-2006 12:43 PM |
The consensus on this board states that they are louder than stock. Nobody seems to deny that. So in my opinion, they are worth it. Also, If you do not like the color, they do not have to be mounted so they can be seen. I plan on getting some and I will be placing them in the usual spot. My .02 cents.
| wrxcelent | 12-27-2006 12:59 PM |
if you don't likethe color you can just paint them
| Lexington | 12-27-2006 01:22 PM |
[QUOTE=martinus;16441016]Actually most car horns are around 100 db's, there is another # on the hella wesite. That will tell you, why you guys [b]think[/b] the supertones are louder ( volume/db ) ...
STOP POSTING db NUMBERS ! :furious: They are not relevant.
You can have a [b]100 db, 300 Hz car horn[/b] & a [b]100 db, 600 Hz car horn[/b].
I bet you guys a wooden nickel, ALL of you will say the second horn in my example is louder. ( ... in volume which is, measured db's. )
Oops did I give it away... Let me know when you guys figure it out. :D[/QUOTE]
Just quoting you because you're retarded.
DB = Loudness < [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel_scale[/url] >
Hz = Pitch (and radio, color, infared, etc.) < [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalizing_the_Musical_Scale[/url] >
If you had a 100 db, 300hz horn; and a 100 db, 600hzhorn, they would be exactly the same loudness, but the 600 would be an octave higher PITCH. It may hurt your ears more, but it is just as 'loud'.
If you had a 118 db, 300hz horn; and a 100 db, 600hz horn, the first one would be horrifically louder, but the second would be a nice, softer accopaniment of the same note in the higher octave.
Don't try to argue with me, you are an idiot.
STOP POSTING db NUMBERS ! :furious: They are not relevant.
You can have a [b]100 db, 300 Hz car horn[/b] & a [b]100 db, 600 Hz car horn[/b].
I bet you guys a wooden nickel, ALL of you will say the second horn in my example is louder. ( ... in volume which is, measured db's. )
Oops did I give it away... Let me know when you guys figure it out. :D[/QUOTE]
Just quoting you because you're retarded.
DB = Loudness < [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel_scale[/url] >
Hz = Pitch (and radio, color, infared, etc.) < [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalizing_the_Musical_Scale[/url] >
If you had a 100 db, 300hz horn; and a 100 db, 600hzhorn, they would be exactly the same loudness, but the 600 would be an octave higher PITCH. It may hurt your ears more, but it is just as 'loud'.
If you had a 118 db, 300hz horn; and a 100 db, 600hz horn, the first one would be horrifically louder, but the second would be a nice, softer accopaniment of the same note in the higher octave.
Don't try to argue with me, you are an idiot.
| Draken04 | 12-27-2006 01:33 PM |
[quote=Phy6;16449418]+1
They have a discount when you buy two pairs. The German made kit comes with two pancake style horns of different frequencies.
There are a few people on here (Unabomber?) who have two pairs up front. :lol:[/quote]
hmmm....maybe a set for the Impreza, and a set for the Supra...could be fun :)
They have a discount when you buy two pairs. The German made kit comes with two pancake style horns of different frequencies.
There are a few people on here (Unabomber?) who have two pairs up front. :lol:[/quote]
hmmm....maybe a set for the Impreza, and a set for the Supra...could be fun :)
| Mayor McCheese | 12-27-2006 01:39 PM |
I Love Lamp! Why are we yelling?
| jmanrex | 12-27-2006 02:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Rexor;16453785]I Love Lamp! Why are we yelling?[/QUOTE]
do you really love the lamp??
loud noices, loud noices
do you really love the lamp??
loud noices, loud noices
| Patrick Olsen | 12-27-2006 02:21 PM |
[QUOTE=wrxcelent;16453342]if you don't likethe color you can just paint them[/QUOTE]
Yahtzee! I've always thought the red horns in the grille thing looked kinda goofy, so I painted mine black when I first got them.
[img]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/hellas%20-%20done.jpg[/img]
There's no doubt in my mind that they're significantly louder than stock. Some of that, I'm sure, is due to the positioning - on the Legacy the stock horns are located behind the headlights, so the sound has to find its way out of the engine compartment. With the current mounting (basically the same way that everyone else does it) the horns are broadcasting straight out through an open grille - much more efficient.
Pat
Yahtzee! I've always thought the red horns in the grille thing looked kinda goofy, so I painted mine black when I first got them.
[img]http://www.submariner.org/thepno95/Pictures/Subaru/hellas%20-%20done.jpg[/img]
There's no doubt in my mind that they're significantly louder than stock. Some of that, I'm sure, is due to the positioning - on the Legacy the stock horns are located behind the headlights, so the sound has to find its way out of the engine compartment. With the current mounting (basically the same way that everyone else does it) the horns are broadcasting straight out through an open grille - much more efficient.
Pat
| kpow | 12-27-2006 02:26 PM |
I had a pair of supertones in my last car (oh how I miss the Matrix :lol: ) but stupidly forgot to remove them when I traded it in :mad: I'm pretty sure I had the german made hellas. Is there any way to tell when ordering online which kind I'm buying?
| jmanrex | 12-27-2006 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE=kpow;16454374]I had a pair of supertones in my last car (oh how I miss the Matrix :lol: ) but stupidly forgot to remove them when I traded it in :mad: I'm pretty sure I had the german made hellas. Is there any way to tell when ordering online which kind I'm buying?[/QUOTE]
they say made in germany on them--not to be a smartass but they do
they say made in germany on them--not to be a smartass but they do
| ekw | 12-27-2006 02:45 PM |
just look for 118 db
good price here [url]http://www.truckcustomizers.com/products/K4HLA261.1.html[/url]
and avoid the others like these all black, 109db versions, sold singly
[url]http://www.performanceproducts4trucks.com/productpage.aspx?pid=109903&name=Hella+Supertone+Horn[/url]
good price here [url]http://www.truckcustomizers.com/products/K4HLA261.1.html[/url]
and avoid the others like these all black, 109db versions, sold singly
[url]http://www.performanceproducts4trucks.com/productpage.aspx?pid=109903&name=Hella+Supertone+Horn[/url]
| ekw | 12-27-2006 02:46 PM |
[QUOTE=jmanrex;16454541]they say made in germany on them--not to be a smartass but they do[/QUOTE]
I think he meant while ordering online.
most of the web pages do not say "made in Germany",
but most have the db level. if they don't, keep shopping!
I think he meant while ordering online.
most of the web pages do not say "made in Germany",
but most have the db level. if they don't, keep shopping!
| Javier | 12-27-2006 02:55 PM |
To the OP, I have supertones in my WRX. My buddy just bought a new gti 4 months ago. He installed supertones in his car and gave me the existing horns that were in his car ([URL="http://www.subydude.com/osc/product_info.php/cPath/220_144_269/products_id/501?osCsid=f23720c347d3881638a25e4a61e7fd6e"]THESE[/URL]) to put on my RS. They aren't quite as loud as the supertones, but the upgrade wasn't worth it for my friend. The VW horns are nice bosch units and are quite loud. If you spend a lot of time around new VW's I can see why the horn upgrade would seem odd, but compared to stock subaru horns, the supertones are leaps and bounds better...
| ekw | 12-27-2006 02:57 PM |
Javier,
stop being informative and polite.
you will ruin the reputation of nasioc AND destroy the tone of this thread.
:D
stop being informative and polite.
you will ruin the reputation of nasioc AND destroy the tone of this thread.
:D
| jmanrex | 12-27-2006 03:05 PM |
[QUOTE=ekw;16454632]I think he meant while ordering online.
most of the web pages do not say "made in Germany",
but most have the db level. if they don't, keep shopping![/QUOTE]
click below for horns that say "german hella horns" and on the horns themselves they say "made in germany"
[URL="http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?&SKU=77573"]http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?&SKU=77573[/URL]
most of the web pages do not say "made in Germany",
but most have the db level. if they don't, keep shopping![/QUOTE]
click below for horns that say "german hella horns" and on the horns themselves they say "made in germany"
[URL="http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?&SKU=77573"]http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?&SKU=77573[/URL]
| bl_easy | 12-27-2006 03:17 PM |
They're loud. I looooove mine.
The people that say "they aren't that loud" installed 'em wrong.
Just like two Evo owners I know... :rolleyes: They sound weaker than my stock horn. I'm going to have to rewire it for 'em so they know why mine are so much louder. :devil:
The people that say "they aren't that loud" installed 'em wrong.
Just like two Evo owners I know... :rolleyes: They sound weaker than my stock horn. I'm going to have to rewire it for 'em so they know why mine are so much louder. :devil:
| Clavo | 12-27-2006 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=ekw;16454749]Javier,
stop being informative and polite.
you will ruin the reputation of nasioc AND destroy the tone of this thread.
:D[/QUOTE]
WRONG !!!
He will destroy the decibels of this thread, or is it the frequency of this thread, I forget now ??? :lol: :banana: :lol:
<--- Has Hella triple air horns and loves them.
stop being informative and polite.
you will ruin the reputation of nasioc AND destroy the tone of this thread.
:D[/QUOTE]
WRONG !!!
He will destroy the decibels of this thread, or is it the frequency of this thread, I forget now ??? :lol: :banana: :lol:
<--- Has Hella triple air horns and loves them.
| DieselClown | 12-27-2006 06:33 PM |
I have 2 hella air horns connected to 2 hella supertones in addition to my stock horns. let me tell you, if you are within 20 feet of me, you WILL jump when I beep the horn. But nothing beats these horns, except for these....
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=2OJo_FTjysU[/url]
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=2OJo_FTjysU[/url]
| kpalena | 12-27-2006 08:40 PM |
Decibles are the measure of the PRESSURE of the wave that sound produces...we keep calling this volume. There are logrithims and stuff that go into this.
The reletive volume is a function of dB and Hz.....This is why someone hitting a piece of steel with a hammer (or kids screaming) at say 110 db hurts your ears while a bass drum at 110 db does not. They have the same relitive pressure, but the effect on the membrane called the ear drum is different. This is why a 300 db sound at 4 hz will not hurt your ears...it does not seem "loud" in fact you will not even hear it.
Race exhausts sound great right??? They are very "loud" but hurt less than the same "volume" of glasses hitting together.
That being said...put the keyboards down, have a beer. Go buy the Hella's...ok fellas?
The reletive volume is a function of dB and Hz.....This is why someone hitting a piece of steel with a hammer (or kids screaming) at say 110 db hurts your ears while a bass drum at 110 db does not. They have the same relitive pressure, but the effect on the membrane called the ear drum is different. This is why a 300 db sound at 4 hz will not hurt your ears...it does not seem "loud" in fact you will not even hear it.
Race exhausts sound great right??? They are very "loud" but hurt less than the same "volume" of glasses hitting together.
That being said...put the keyboards down, have a beer. Go buy the Hella's...ok fellas?
| eld4au6 | 12-28-2006 01:33 AM |
[QUOTE=srfrdude21;16440908]I have the hella air horns in my 911 and I can garuntee hearing loss in anyone standing within 10 feet[/QUOTE]
lol I have some of those on my trooper, today someone jumped about a foot, lol. Ill take some pics and a vid tomorrow.
lol I have some of those on my trooper, today someone jumped about a foot, lol. Ill take some pics and a vid tomorrow.
| N/A_junkie | 12-28-2006 03:36 AM |
somewhat off topic but i was wondering...if you were to mount the supertones toward the bottom of the car and point them toward the ground...what kind of effect would that have on the sound? since it's been said that the sound is directional (as in much louder standing directly in front of them) would it resonate off the ground or would it not be effective?
| SirWilliam | 12-28-2006 08:57 AM |
People ugrade the whimpy stock subaru horns. Hella is just one of the options. I got my for a great deal so that is why I have them. Here are some pics on my forester...you will notice I painted them black for the stealth factor (except I used white wiring :rolleyes: ):
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/sirwilliam78/bumpershot1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/sirwilliam78/Frontshot3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/sirwilliam78/blacksupertones.jpg[/IMG]
I also had the privilege of scaring the the poop out of a co-worker crossing the street from one building to the next. PRICELESS!:lol:
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/sirwilliam78/bumpershot1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/sirwilliam78/Frontshot3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f193/sirwilliam78/blacksupertones.jpg[/IMG]
I also had the privilege of scaring the the poop out of a co-worker crossing the street from one building to the next. PRICELESS!:lol:
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