| BIGSKYWRX | 09-26-2003 10:24 AM |
Experience w/ RA1's or A032's?
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I'm looking at these tow tires for track and autox. I realize there are stickier R compounds, but need something that will hold up a bit longer and also be able to handle wet conditions better.
I've heard (read) pretty good reviews on the RA1, but not too much on the A032.
I also see the RA now (maybe always?) comes in a soft and hard compound, I'd likely opt for the hard for longevity sake.
Any input would be appreciated. Also if there is another R compound that would fit the bill I'd like to hear about it as well.
Thanks in advance.
Big Sky
I've heard (read) pretty good reviews on the RA1, but not too much on the A032.
I also see the RA now (maybe always?) comes in a soft and hard compound, I'd likely opt for the hard for longevity sake.
Any input would be appreciated. Also if there is another R compound that would fit the bill I'd like to hear about it as well.
Thanks in advance.
Big Sky
| BOY | 09-26-2003 11:31 AM |
Have you tired Azenis yet? Not R's but damn close.
I was recommend the RA's by some of the better drivers in my region for the very same reason. The Yokos haven't been up to par for a while, they are supposed to be offering a new compound but I haven't followed its release at all. Another option for you is to talk to some of the other racers and find out when they change their tires (corded, # of runs, etc) and if they still have a couple runs on em, buy their used tires cheap.
I was recommend the RA's by some of the better drivers in my region for the very same reason. The Yokos haven't been up to par for a while, they are supposed to be offering a new compound but I haven't followed its release at all. Another option for you is to talk to some of the other racers and find out when they change their tires (corded, # of runs, etc) and if they still have a couple runs on em, buy their used tires cheap.
| Patrick L | 09-26-2003 11:47 AM |
If it's a cool day at a track the Azenis would be good but if it's a warm day. Oh lets say 85+ degrees. I probably would not use them. They retain the heat too well and will heat up and get too hot and when that happens. They will get greasy and you end up sliding around corners. I have seen it happen with a Mini Cooper.
| IXLR8 | 09-26-2003 11:59 AM |
Well, adding autocross (ie. competition and the need for cold grip) to the mix makes it a more difficult choice....
If absolute speed (lap or course time) doesn't count, then I think the RA-1's would be the best choice by far. They don't seem to have much of a heat-cycle effect and grip is very predictable and progressive at the limit. (I'm in my third year on one set for an ITA scirocco (granted much less hp, but you get the idea)).
However, to get the life and driveability of the Toyo's you give up a fraction in overall speed. Just sort of depends on what you have to have and your budget allows... if you want to win in competition, that almost requires Hoosiers, but they are expensive, don't last, and take a lot of skill (both driver and chassis tuner) to squeeze the max out of them.
Also, autocross is a whole 'nother ball game, requiring good grip right out of the box... not the RA-1's strong suit, and as they age, they take even longer to develop their max grip (although once there they stick pretty much like new)... in an auto cross, you'll be parked before they'd have enough time to heat.
Hope that helps.
If absolute speed (lap or course time) doesn't count, then I think the RA-1's would be the best choice by far. They don't seem to have much of a heat-cycle effect and grip is very predictable and progressive at the limit. (I'm in my third year on one set for an ITA scirocco (granted much less hp, but you get the idea)).
However, to get the life and driveability of the Toyo's you give up a fraction in overall speed. Just sort of depends on what you have to have and your budget allows... if you want to win in competition, that almost requires Hoosiers, but they are expensive, don't last, and take a lot of skill (both driver and chassis tuner) to squeeze the max out of them.
Also, autocross is a whole 'nother ball game, requiring good grip right out of the box... not the RA-1's strong suit, and as they age, they take even longer to develop their max grip (although once there they stick pretty much like new)... in an auto cross, you'll be parked before they'd have enough time to heat.
Hope that helps.
| zoomfactor | 09-26-2003 02:42 PM |
I have no experience with the RA1. But I do have a set of 032R's purchased earlier in the year before Yokohama started selling a "soft" compound. I purchased them because I had great experiences with the old 008R's, which I would drive to events on.
For Auto-X, first go out of the box - no better than Azenis.:rolleyes: At my first event with the 032's I managed to get sideways at about 70+ WOT. Breakaway wasn't sudden or uncontrollable, however. They were much better as the day went on.
I've also done some brisk touring with the 032's. If you like Azenis, you'll love the 032's. The warmer they get the better they stick - which is probably what you'd expect from a track tire. They are very stable in the rain.
The downside is noise. I mean NOISE. They sound like mudders on a lifted 4x4 Ford. You will think that your differential/transmission/bearings are screaming bloody murder:devil:
For Auto-X, first go out of the box - no better than Azenis.:rolleyes: At my first event with the 032's I managed to get sideways at about 70+ WOT. Breakaway wasn't sudden or uncontrollable, however. They were much better as the day went on.
I've also done some brisk touring with the 032's. If you like Azenis, you'll love the 032's. The warmer they get the better they stick - which is probably what you'd expect from a track tire. They are very stable in the rain.
The downside is noise. I mean NOISE. They sound like mudders on a lifted 4x4 Ford. You will think that your differential/transmission/bearings are screaming bloody murder:devil:
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-26-2003 03:08 PM |
Definitely asking a lot of a tire, but like everything on my car (suspension, go mods) always a compromise.
It sounds like both the 032 and RA1 are coming in two compounds, form the sounds of things the soft sounds like the ticket for autox (relatively cold tire temps), but would be giving up longevity of the hard compound. It would be nice to know how much longevity one is giving up w/ the hard compounds.
I autox more than I track (wish it was the other way around) so maybe the soft compounds would be best.
Thanks for all the input, it's appreciated.
If anyone had any experience w/ the different compounds, I'd love to hear about it.
Big Sky
It sounds like both the 032 and RA1 are coming in two compounds, form the sounds of things the soft sounds like the ticket for autox (relatively cold tire temps), but would be giving up longevity of the hard compound. It would be nice to know how much longevity one is giving up w/ the hard compounds.
I autox more than I track (wish it was the other way around) so maybe the soft compounds would be best.
Thanks for all the input, it's appreciated.
If anyone had any experience w/ the different compounds, I'd love to hear about it.
Big Sky
| IXLR8 | 09-26-2003 03:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BIGSKYWRX [/i]
[B]It sounds like both the 032 and RA1 are coming in two compounds,
Big Sky [/B][/QUOTE]
Where are you seeing two RA-1 compounds? Was at the track yesterday talking with Bob Woodman guys specifically about RA-1's and no mention of a second compound... for what it's worth, I've never heard of more than one compound for RA-1's... while that's certainly far from definitive, perhaps you're thinking of spec series tires? (RA-1's are the series spec for Miata's and a few others.)
[B]It sounds like both the 032 and RA1 are coming in two compounds,
Big Sky [/B][/QUOTE]
Where are you seeing two RA-1 compounds? Was at the track yesterday talking with Bob Woodman guys specifically about RA-1's and no mention of a second compound... for what it's worth, I've never heard of more than one compound for RA-1's... while that's certainly far from definitive, perhaps you're thinking of spec series tires? (RA-1's are the series spec for Miata's and a few others.)
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-26-2003 07:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by IXLR8 [/i]
[B]
Where are you seeing two RA-1 compounds? Was at the track yesterday talking with Bob Woodman guys specifically about RA-1's and no mention of a second compound... for what it's worth, I've never heard of more than one compound for RA-1's... while that's certainly far from definitive, perhaps you're thinking of spec series tires? (RA-1's are the series spec for Miata's and a few others.) [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know where the he.. I got that, it's wrong however- they only offer one compound. I did bump into another possible tire to fill the bill- the Pilot Sport Cup- anyone have any experience w/ this tire?
Thanks
Big Sky
[B]
Where are you seeing two RA-1 compounds? Was at the track yesterday talking with Bob Woodman guys specifically about RA-1's and no mention of a second compound... for what it's worth, I've never heard of more than one compound for RA-1's... while that's certainly far from definitive, perhaps you're thinking of spec series tires? (RA-1's are the series spec for Miata's and a few others.) [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know where the he.. I got that, it's wrong however- they only offer one compound. I did bump into another possible tire to fill the bill- the Pilot Sport Cup- anyone have any experience w/ this tire?
Thanks
Big Sky
| IXLR8 | 09-27-2003 07:21 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BIGSKYWRX [/i]
[B] I did bump into another possible tire to fill the bill- the Pilot Sport Cup- anyone have any experience w/ this tire?
Big Sky [/B][/QUOTE]
No direct experience, but it's fairly popular with the Porsche/PCA DE(Drivers Ed/Track Day) guys. As far as I can tell (I instruct for them) they aren't particularly remarkable (seem to perform reasonably well, relatively durable, etc.), except for their expense... very pricey (generally not an issue for PCA folks... way too much disposable income).
If you're seriously considering/researching the Sport-Cup, take a look at [url]www.rennlist.org[/url] (Porsche web site/board). Search the web forums under "Racing and Drivers Ed" for comments based on direct experience.
[B] I did bump into another possible tire to fill the bill- the Pilot Sport Cup- anyone have any experience w/ this tire?
Big Sky [/B][/QUOTE]
No direct experience, but it's fairly popular with the Porsche/PCA DE(Drivers Ed/Track Day) guys. As far as I can tell (I instruct for them) they aren't particularly remarkable (seem to perform reasonably well, relatively durable, etc.), except for their expense... very pricey (generally not an issue for PCA folks... way too much disposable income).
If you're seriously considering/researching the Sport-Cup, take a look at [url]www.rennlist.org[/url] (Porsche web site/board). Search the web forums under "Racing and Drivers Ed" for comments based on direct experience.
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-27-2003 01:19 PM |
Thanks for the site. Your right on price- tirerack carries them- they're high.
Big Sky
Big Sky
| HoRo1 | 09-27-2003 09:42 PM |
I don't know anything about A032s, but I've time trialed and raced with both RA1s and Azenis. RA1s are superb, if expensive, in California but I know that some people find them to be a little too hard (I don't know anything about there being 2 compounds) in cooler states. For a street tyre, Azenis are marvellous and cheap. They can stand a lot of abuse on hot California circuits and they grip well.
| sdecker | 09-28-2003 08:47 AM |
Bigsky, I don't want to take you off track (haha), but you might try and find some Victoracers. Proper rotation and flipping them on the rim, along with roughly -1.5 camber on the fronts and you can make a set of those babies last a long time.
I put 8-9 track days on a set that was about 50 percent worn before I started cording the outer edges.
They have excellent grip (not quite Hoosier, but pretty close) and they do fine in the rain/damp as long as you don't have standing water to plow through. Of course, any tire with 2/32" of 'tread' is going to have a problem with standing water...
I bought a pallet of good used Victoracers (12) and sold eight of them to Arubus and Newscooby. They both do autox extensively, so PM them and ask what their impressions are for autox. I've been real happy with their track performance, but I don't autox so can't comment there.
Good luck!
Scott
I put 8-9 track days on a set that was about 50 percent worn before I started cording the outer edges.
They have excellent grip (not quite Hoosier, but pretty close) and they do fine in the rain/damp as long as you don't have standing water to plow through. Of course, any tire with 2/32" of 'tread' is going to have a problem with standing water...
I bought a pallet of good used Victoracers (12) and sold eight of them to Arubus and Newscooby. They both do autox extensively, so PM them and ask what their impressions are for autox. I've been real happy with their track performance, but I don't autox so can't comment there.
Good luck!
Scott
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-28-2003 09:27 PM |
The more I look, the more apparent that the Khumos may be the ticket for autox and track. The Cups/RA1's/A032R all sounds like decent, long lived dry/wet track tires, but sounds like they need too much heat in them for autox purposes. I know the Khumos do very well in autox, glad to hear they do well at the track as well.
sdecker- curious if you shave yours. I know for ultimate stick shaved offer an advantage, but can one run them at full depth (all 6/32 of it:rolleyes: ) and take advantage of some of that depth. I'd gladly trade a little stick for longevity, but want them "broken" properly as well.
Thanks
Big Sky
sdecker- curious if you shave yours. I know for ultimate stick shaved offer an advantage, but can one run them at full depth (all 6/32 of it:rolleyes: ) and take advantage of some of that depth. I'd gladly trade a little stick for longevity, but want them "broken" properly as well.
Thanks
Big Sky
| MattN | 09-28-2003 10:29 PM |
I like me some RA-1s. Full depth, they are very good in the rain, but be prepared for them to be a bit off in the dry. Shaved, they are good in the dry right off the bat. They were consistent and never felt like they fell off in performance. Only down side is they were more expensive than Kumhos by a long shot, and I only got ~5 weekends out of $600 worth of tires. Kumhos may be a better value for me, although they definitely fall off in performance with increasing # of heat cycles.
My experience is on track, not auto-x.
My experience is on track, not auto-x.
| sdecker | 09-29-2003 07:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BIGSKYWRX [/i]
[B]sdecker- curious if you shave yours.
Thanks
Big Sky [/B][/QUOTE]
Bigsky, that's an awfully personal question! :banana:
To be honest I have never purchased a new set. I keep my eyes open for good used ones whenever I'm at the track, hanging out with other car people, etc.
That being said, the most recent set of 4 that I have run on was not shaved, and they ran fine. The Victoracers are not prone to the 'groove of death' that the newer Ecsta V700 tire is. Those guys you definitely have to shave or they will die an early death. I don't see a big advantage to shaving the Victoracers, since I have driven them from essentially brand new unshaved all the way to the cords. There was no unusual treadwear at all.
I didn't lose any performance on my last set until they were corded. I put around 40 heat cycles on that set and there's no telling how they were treated before I got them.
They will get a little greasy after roughly 25 track miles, but nothing to worry about and quite progressive. You will just notice a little less stick in corners where you had a little more a few laps ago -- no big deal.
Let me know if you have questions.
Scott
[B]sdecker- curious if you shave yours.
Thanks
Big Sky [/B][/QUOTE]
Bigsky, that's an awfully personal question! :banana:
To be honest I have never purchased a new set. I keep my eyes open for good used ones whenever I'm at the track, hanging out with other car people, etc.
That being said, the most recent set of 4 that I have run on was not shaved, and they ran fine. The Victoracers are not prone to the 'groove of death' that the newer Ecsta V700 tire is. Those guys you definitely have to shave or they will die an early death. I don't see a big advantage to shaving the Victoracers, since I have driven them from essentially brand new unshaved all the way to the cords. There was no unusual treadwear at all.
I didn't lose any performance on my last set until they were corded. I put around 40 heat cycles on that set and there's no telling how they were treated before I got them.
They will get a little greasy after roughly 25 track miles, but nothing to worry about and quite progressive. You will just notice a little less stick in corners where you had a little more a few laps ago -- no big deal.
Let me know if you have questions.
Scott
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-29-2003 09:35 AM |
I guess it must have been the Ecsta's I was reading about the need to shave, the makes the Victoracers that much more appealing.
Looking at them they appear to be asymetrical- can swap/rotate at will- true?
What size are you running? I thought I read elsewhere that needed pressures are a quite a bit lower than hi-po street tires, are they that much stiffer sidewalled?
Thanks
Big Sky
Looking at them they appear to be asymetrical- can swap/rotate at will- true?
What size are you running? I thought I read elsewhere that needed pressures are a quite a bit lower than hi-po street tires, are they that much stiffer sidewalled?
Thanks
Big Sky
| sdecker | 09-29-2003 09:55 AM |
According to the sidewall, they are asymmetrical. According to Kumho, you can do whatever you want with them. Any tire can be run in any position, and Kumho approves flipping them on the rim. In other words, disregard the sidewall markings and do whatever you want with them. Kumho's site has the actual verbiage somewhere but I'm too busy to search right now...
I run 34 psi cold all around, which matches up pretty well with my driving style and mods. I could get away with 32-33 in the rear if I really wanted to, but 34 psi cold generally equates to about 48 psi hot.
The sidewalls are very stiff IMHO. So stiff that the tire mounting guys always grimace when I ask them to mount another set. :D
I run 225/50/16 on the stock (16 x 6.5") WRX rims. I have hundreds of miles on this combo and they are great.
Good luck, let me know if you have q's.
Scott
I run 34 psi cold all around, which matches up pretty well with my driving style and mods. I could get away with 32-33 in the rear if I really wanted to, but 34 psi cold generally equates to about 48 psi hot.
The sidewalls are very stiff IMHO. So stiff that the tire mounting guys always grimace when I ask them to mount another set. :D
I run 225/50/16 on the stock (16 x 6.5") WRX rims. I have hundreds of miles on this combo and they are great.
Good luck, let me know if you have q's.
Scott
| enduroshark | 09-29-2003 10:17 AM |
The Azeni is nowhere near an RA-1.
The Kumho is faster than the RA-1. A little bit. The RA-1 is more consistent through a session and through it's life and lasts longer, but it is a harder compound than the Kumho. The Kumho may last just a little bit less.
The RA-1 does not show it's best grip until you wear down the thread blocks. It squirms and makes a lot of noise until you wear down those blocks.
The RA-1 does not need to be heat cycled.
The Kumho will do fine unshaved, but shaved will be faster.
The Kumho should be heat cycled for longer life.
The Kumho is a little bit lighter than the Toyo.
The Kumho is cheaper.
You can flip both Toyo and Kumho for better wear.
At the limit, the Toyo behaves a lot like a street tire. It lets you get the car at "interesting" angles and bring it back.
The Kumho behaves more like a race tire. It gives you feedback and a little bit of slide, but you have to be on top of things. It rewards with quicker response though.
That A032R (at least the old compound) is a lot slower than the RA-1. It also seems to get a lot harder with age. So much more than the others.
The A032R is LOUD.
I have no experience with the new "softer" A032R.
The Kumho is faster than the RA-1. A little bit. The RA-1 is more consistent through a session and through it's life and lasts longer, but it is a harder compound than the Kumho. The Kumho may last just a little bit less.
The RA-1 does not show it's best grip until you wear down the thread blocks. It squirms and makes a lot of noise until you wear down those blocks.
The RA-1 does not need to be heat cycled.
The Kumho will do fine unshaved, but shaved will be faster.
The Kumho should be heat cycled for longer life.
The Kumho is a little bit lighter than the Toyo.
The Kumho is cheaper.
You can flip both Toyo and Kumho for better wear.
At the limit, the Toyo behaves a lot like a street tire. It lets you get the car at "interesting" angles and bring it back.
The Kumho behaves more like a race tire. It gives you feedback and a little bit of slide, but you have to be on top of things. It rewards with quicker response though.
That A032R (at least the old compound) is a lot slower than the RA-1. It also seems to get a lot harder with age. So much more than the others.
The A032R is LOUD.
I have no experience with the new "softer" A032R.
| sdecker | 09-29-2003 05:21 PM |
^^^^
That's my boy Ony up there! :D
Bigsky, listen to Enduroshark -- we like to call him 'Mr. Spec Miata' around here. :lol:
He knows what he's talking about, for sure.
That's my boy Ony up there! :D
Bigsky, listen to Enduroshark -- we like to call him 'Mr. Spec Miata' around here. :lol:
He knows what he's talking about, for sure.
| driggity | 09-29-2003 05:37 PM |
Grassroots Motorsports did a comparison between the RA1, A032R S (soft compund), and the new Hankook R-compound a couple of issues ago. The A032R was faster than the RA1 around the track in the morning when temps were low but the RA1 was faster when things warmed up. The RA1 was also the "control" tire and ran twice as many laps but had the least wear. The Hankook was second fastest on the cold track and fastest on the warm but showed more wear than the RA1. All the tires were shaved to start with.
Does this mean no more STX?
Enduroshark, will an unshaved RA1 last longer than a shaved one if they're both only driven on dry track days? Thanks.
Does this mean no more STX?
Enduroshark, will an unshaved RA1 last longer than a shaved one if they're both only driven on dry track days? Thanks.
| enduroshark | 09-30-2003 09:37 AM |
The unshaved RA-1 has more thread than the unshaved Kumho or the A032R.
I guess that the unshaved RA-1 will last longer, but I guess it's also possible to chunk the unshaved tires. I've never driven unshaved RA-1's. I know people that have driven them as a street tire and used them also at the track and didn't have problems with the thread chunking up, but it was on Miatas, which are significantly lighter and easier on tires, in terms of camber control, than the WRX.
Even if they chunk they probably will last longer than buying them shaved. They just won't be as good as they can be until the thread blocks wear off.
Since we are talking track days and not actual racing, I would say get them unshaved. You save a few bucks there and even if you beat them up and chunk them, the tires is still useful and will last.
I know Big Sky has camber plates and can dial enough camber to make sure that the outside of the tire doesn't overheat. That will help.
I guess that the unshaved RA-1 will last longer, but I guess it's also possible to chunk the unshaved tires. I've never driven unshaved RA-1's. I know people that have driven them as a street tire and used them also at the track and didn't have problems with the thread chunking up, but it was on Miatas, which are significantly lighter and easier on tires, in terms of camber control, than the WRX.
Even if they chunk they probably will last longer than buying them shaved. They just won't be as good as they can be until the thread blocks wear off.
Since we are talking track days and not actual racing, I would say get them unshaved. You save a few bucks there and even if you beat them up and chunk them, the tires is still useful and will last.
I know Big Sky has camber plates and can dial enough camber to make sure that the outside of the tire doesn't overheat. That will help.
| enduroshark | 09-30-2003 09:39 AM |
Hey Scott, when's the next track day?
Last race for me was in July, next race for me is in November and I'm having withdrawal symptoms...
Got our mutt of a Miata into the 1:50s in July and it should do better once it cools off. Maybe we'll start saving money for a limited slip diff (wheelspin on EVERY corner is getting old), a fresh engine and some hoosiers and crank some 1:46s
:D
Last race for me was in July, next race for me is in November and I'm having withdrawal symptoms...
Got our mutt of a Miata into the 1:50s in July and it should do better once it cools off. Maybe we'll start saving money for a limited slip diff (wheelspin on EVERY corner is getting old), a fresh engine and some hoosiers and crank some 1:46s
:D
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-30-2003 10:12 AM |
Thanks for the good input. Victoracers appear to be the best compromise for my applications- lots of autox, not as much track time as I want:mad: . Good grip- cold/warm, relatively long lasting, reasonable price, can run unshaved. I think if the table were flipped lots of track, occasional autox- the RA 1 looks like a tire to consider.
driggity- I haven't made my mind up for sure, but am considering taking the "leap" to SM. Are autoxs tend to be on the smallish size (lots of runs though!) and class competetion is overshadowed by FTD- which isn't going to happen on street tires. I also have this birdie whispering in my ear "vf 35, vf 35 tweet-tweet";)
driggity- I haven't made my mind up for sure, but am considering taking the "leap" to SM. Are autoxs tend to be on the smallish size (lots of runs though!) and class competetion is overshadowed by FTD- which isn't going to happen on street tires. I also have this birdie whispering in my ear "vf 35, vf 35 tweet-tweet";)
| mav1c | 09-30-2003 12:17 PM |
I got a good deal on a set of shaved Kumho V700's, and I ran a weekend at VIR full. The tires are pretty much worn out already. Maybe a flip and one more day, but that's it. Learned my lesson. I only do track days so I think my next tires will be full tread RA-1's.
| sdecker | 09-30-2003 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mav1c [/i]
[B]I got a good deal on a set of shaved Kumho V700's, and I ran a weekend at VIR full. The tires are pretty much worn out already. Maybe a flip and one more day, but that's it. Learned my lesson. I only do track days so I think my next tires will be full tread RA-1's. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mav1c:
Were those the Victoracer compound or the Ecsta compound?
The 'groove of death' Ecsta tire is this one (the V70A compound):
[IMG]http://www.kumhotires.com/productimage/v70a_e.jpg[/IMG]
The Victoracer is this one (the V700 compound):
[IMG]http://www.kumhotires.com/productimage/v700_e.jpg[/IMG]
I know you said V700 but just wanted to make sure we were talking the same thing here.
Were the tires you mentioned new and were you running them on your Scoob? I'm shocked at your results...maybe I'm not driving them hard enough or something? :confused: I get great wear out of mine, which are definitely the V700 Victoracer variety. Lots of folks have complained about the V70A version, though...
Thanks for any info.
Scott
[B]I got a good deal on a set of shaved Kumho V700's, and I ran a weekend at VIR full. The tires are pretty much worn out already. Maybe a flip and one more day, but that's it. Learned my lesson. I only do track days so I think my next tires will be full tread RA-1's. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mav1c:
Were those the Victoracer compound or the Ecsta compound?
The 'groove of death' Ecsta tire is this one (the V70A compound):
[IMG]http://www.kumhotires.com/productimage/v70a_e.jpg[/IMG]
The Victoracer is this one (the V700 compound):
[IMG]http://www.kumhotires.com/productimage/v700_e.jpg[/IMG]
I know you said V700 but just wanted to make sure we were talking the same thing here.
Were the tires you mentioned new and were you running them on your Scoob? I'm shocked at your results...maybe I'm not driving them hard enough or something? :confused: I get great wear out of mine, which are definitely the V700 Victoracer variety. Lots of folks have complained about the V70A version, though...
Thanks for any info.
Scott
| mav1c | 09-30-2003 02:09 PM |
Yeah, sorry. Mine are the Ecsta V70A's. They were brand new and were shave and heat cycled.
| sdecker | 09-30-2003 02:46 PM |
No sweat, I'm not a 'mis-information nazi' like some of our fine friends. :lol:
Just wanted to make sure for Bigsky's (and everyone else's) benefit.
Scott
Just wanted to make sure for Bigsky's (and everyone else's) benefit.
Scott
| jcroy66 | 10-01-2003 07:26 AM |
FYI, watch out about the Victoracers. A little birdie has told me that Kumho plans to get rid of the current Victoracer V700 and make the "new" Victoracers even softer than the Ecstas. :(
(Mind you, I don't know if this information is accurate. But I wanted to give you a word of warning, just in case it is.)
If the info is accurate, it's bad news for me, as I was planning on going back to Victoracers after cording 2 sets of Ecstas within a single season of dual-driver autox. (And the season still has a month and a half to go). :( We were much happier with the Victoracers, as they had much longer life, and even when we did get rid of them, it was because they had simply gotten hard very gradually over time. They didn't let go spectacularly, like both sets of Ecstas did.
(On the other hand, maybe we'll give up racing the Celica altogether and start racing the WRX in STX.)
(Mind you, I don't know if this information is accurate. But I wanted to give you a word of warning, just in case it is.)
If the info is accurate, it's bad news for me, as I was planning on going back to Victoracers after cording 2 sets of Ecstas within a single season of dual-driver autox. (And the season still has a month and a half to go). :( We were much happier with the Victoracers, as they had much longer life, and even when we did get rid of them, it was because they had simply gotten hard very gradually over time. They didn't let go spectacularly, like both sets of Ecstas did.
(On the other hand, maybe we'll give up racing the Celica altogether and start racing the WRX in STX.)
| sdecker | 10-01-2003 08:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by enduroshark [/i]
[B]Hey Scott, when's the next track day?
Last race for me was in July, next race for me is in November and I'm having withdrawal symptoms...
Got our mutt of a Miata into the 1:50s in July and it should do better once it cools off. Maybe we'll start saving money for a limited slip diff (wheelspin on EVERY corner is getting old), a fresh engine and some hoosiers and crank some 1:46s
:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Errr...how about October or November? Panoz usually runs one each month. Bring the Miata and let's play!
Scott
[B]Hey Scott, when's the next track day?
Last race for me was in July, next race for me is in November and I'm having withdrawal symptoms...
Got our mutt of a Miata into the 1:50s in July and it should do better once it cools off. Maybe we'll start saving money for a limited slip diff (wheelspin on EVERY corner is getting old), a fresh engine and some hoosiers and crank some 1:46s
:D [/B][/QUOTE]
Errr...how about October or November? Panoz usually runs one each month. Bring the Miata and let's play!
Scott
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