| wirolla | 09-13-2006 04:55 PM |
Cobb Stage 2 to STX Map Questions
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Just wondering if any of you guys flash back to the stx map to be more competitive in autocross? Also, what is the power difference like? Also, should I reflash today in anticipation for saturday and sunday, or should i do it on friday? I am thinking that the logical thing would to do it today.
| tuskenraider | 09-13-2006 04:58 PM |
Flash back? No, my street map has more power(aka boost!). I flash to my STX map while prepping my car for tech and flash back to my street map before leaving the event. As far as power difference, my street map has only 6hp more peak than my STX map(good job Jorge), but there is way more power from 6100rpm on, where the STX map(stock boost) just runs out of gas.
| crewin323 | 09-13-2006 05:00 PM |
do you go stage 2 base map and STX real time? or do you have to flash the STX map as a base
| tuskenraider | 09-13-2006 05:08 PM |
^^Good question. Since people still try to debate the legality of the way maps are flashed with the AP, it's good to have a real time and base STX map. Some don't believe a real time STX map over, say, a Stg2 map is legal, so you would need to flash a Stg2 real time map over the STX map to appease them.......maybe. Locally, I wouldn't worry about it, but I have both in case the situation warranted it.
| wirolla | 09-13-2006 05:13 PM |
[QUOTE=tuskenraider;15235175]^^Good question. Since people still try to debate the legality of the way maps are flashed with the AP, it's good to have a real time and base STX map. Some don't believe a real time STX map over, say, a Stg2 map is legal, so you would need to flash a Stg2 real time map over the STX map to appease them.......maybe. Locally, I wouldn't worry about it, but I have both in case the situation warranted it.[/QUOTE]
so you're saying that locally i could do a stg2 basemap with a stx realtime? i dont plan on being competitive anyways.
so you're saying that locally i could do a stg2 basemap with a stx realtime? i dont plan on being competitive anyways.
| tuskenraider | 09-13-2006 05:20 PM |
I do, and will continue to do so unless it was proven illegal. Though really, it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Not sure what Chris Fenter, Mike Vanderstappen and others do though, but they are aware of what I do with no issues, so do what you prefer.
| 5spdfrk | 09-13-2006 05:27 PM |
I doubt its gonna matter, unless you're really competitive in your class.
I use a stx real time map over my s2 base map.
I use a stx real time map over my s2 base map.
| wirolla | 09-13-2006 05:52 PM |
reasons??^^
| maxQ | 09-13-2006 06:24 PM |
One thing to keep in mind is that, according to Cobb, the ECU can only be realistically reflashed 100 times before the chip starts degrading. (This evidently doesn't include real-time maps).
So I'd like to limit the number of base map flashes I do by using a STU(X) base map.
So I'd like to limit the number of base map flashes I do by using a STU(X) base map.
| 5spdfrk | 09-13-2006 07:37 PM |
Reasons for using the rt map?
Well, for one its faster to switch before and after, and I dont want to use up all my base map flashes. Because like maxQ says, you are limited on the number you can do.
Well, for one its faster to switch before and after, and I dont want to use up all my base map flashes. Because like maxQ says, you are limited on the number you can do.
| boundy3 | 09-13-2006 07:37 PM |
I have asked this question before and never really got a difinitive answer.
I usually flash the STX realtime map over my Stg 2 base map. That way I don't lose any of the learned info and it only takes 10 sec, opposed to 5 min.
The realtime map changes the WG Duty cycles and boost to stock settings, so I believe it is legal to run just the realtime map. Locally, I don't think you will run into any problems.
I have also tried running the STX base map and haven't noticed any difference in performance between running the base map and running the realtime map.
I usually flash the STX realtime map over my Stg 2 base map. That way I don't lose any of the learned info and it only takes 10 sec, opposed to 5 min.
The realtime map changes the WG Duty cycles and boost to stock settings, so I believe it is legal to run just the realtime map. Locally, I don't think you will run into any problems.
I have also tried running the STX base map and haven't noticed any difference in performance between running the base map and running the realtime map.
| wirolla | 09-13-2006 07:39 PM |
so i guess realtime it is. oh another stupid question. no turbo mods are allowed in stx, right? (such as stock p-n-p or ceramic coated?)
| tuskenraider | 09-13-2006 08:44 PM |
Nothing after the turbo inlet tube can be done.
| 04_wrx_platinum | 09-13-2006 08:49 PM |
[QUOTE=wirolla;15236890]so i guess realtime it is. oh another stupid question. no turbo mods are allowed in stx, right? (such as stock p-n-p or ceramic coated?)[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174189"]Autox Rules from Sticky[/URL]
That should answer most of your questions.
[URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174189"]Autox Rules from Sticky[/URL]
That should answer most of your questions.
| Crash477 | 09-13-2006 09:20 PM |
I flash teh STX realtime map over the Stg2 base map locally. But if I was to go to nats I would flash a base STX map
| wirolla | 09-13-2006 09:30 PM |
[QUOTE=Crash477;15237897]I flash teh STX realtime map over the Stg2 base map locally. But if I was to go to nats I would flash a realtime STX map[/QUOTE]
wouldnt you do the exact opposite....it would make more sense
wouldnt you do the exact opposite....it would make more sense
| Crash477 | 09-13-2006 09:36 PM |
hahah yeah.. sorry im tired and typed the wrong thing.
| crewin323 | 09-13-2006 10:18 PM |
Its not going to matter which map is RT and which is base, so long as the WDC and Boost remain as stock
...I only asked my question to make sure that running the STX map as a realtime would revert the settings back to stock specs
...I only asked my question to make sure that running the STX map as a realtime would revert the settings back to stock specs
| jcroy66 | 09-14-2006 05:57 AM |
I disagree, crewin. If you go to a National event and you get protested and you have a Stage2 map on your car at all (i.e. as your base map), you're most likely going to lose said protest. That's why people suggest having the STX map be the base map. When you get to the event, you wipe the realtime Stage2 map by an ECU reset (i.e. pull the battery). That way, you have only one map, and it is an STX legal map. (Theoretically, I'm not going into the debate about whether Cobb's STX map is actually legal, that's been rehashed plenty of times already.)
| DrBiggly | 09-14-2006 11:19 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66;15241259]I disagree, crewin. If you go to a National event and you get protested and you have a Stage2 map on your car at all (i.e. as your base map), you're most likely going to lose said protest. That's why people suggest having the STX map be the base map. When you get to the event, you wipe the realtime Stage2 map by an ECU reset (i.e. pull the battery). That way, you have only one map, and it is an STX legal map. (Theoretically, I'm not going into the debate about whether Cobb's STX map is actually legal, that's been rehashed plenty of times already.)[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Do a realtime 'funmap' and go with a legal map as the base. :)
-Biggly
Agreed. Do a realtime 'funmap' and go with a legal map as the base. :)
-Biggly
| wirolla | 09-14-2006 11:20 AM |
so i guess the general consensus is that i could run a real time stx map with a stage 2 basemap.
| wirolla | 09-14-2006 11:21 AM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly;15243522]Agreed. Do a realtime 'funmap' and go with a legal map as the base. :)
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
"funmap?"
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
"funmap?"
| Aaron B | 09-14-2006 11:35 AM |
[QUOTE=wirolla;15243541]"funmap?"[/QUOTE]
Cobb Stage 2 or other custom high boost tune. more boost = more torque = more fun.
*Edit
BTW, I'm another one for the STX base map camp. Actually, I rarely ever use anything except that, thanks to this stupid racing habit I can't afford the piss-poor gas mileage of the Stg 2 map.
Cobb Stage 2 or other custom high boost tune. more boost = more torque = more fun.
*Edit
BTW, I'm another one for the STX base map camp. Actually, I rarely ever use anything except that, thanks to this stupid racing habit I can't afford the piss-poor gas mileage of the Stg 2 map.
| wirolla | 09-14-2006 11:38 AM |
but technically if i run a stx basemap and stage 2 realtime, won't i be running higher than stock boost levels, therefore making me unqualified for stx?
| PhilC | 09-14-2006 12:04 PM |
That's why you reset your ECU and lose the realtime before you start the event, takes less than a minute, then only the STX map is on your car at all, the realtime in memory will be a true realtime image of the basemap. 15 seconds after the event you can put your stage 2 back into realtime with your Access Port. Assuming you didn't use Cobb's OTS STX map you're STX legal that way and only that way IMO. If you've got a stage 2 or other altered boost basemap on the car I don't care what you've got in realtime you would lose a protest at a national event if I were to protest you.
| 04_wrx_platinum | 09-14-2006 12:04 PM |
[QUOTE=wirolla;15243773]but technically if i run a stx basemap and stage 2 realtime, won't i be running higher than stock boost levels, therefore making me unqualified for stx?[/QUOTE]
Yes- if you left the stage 2 map realtime in place
so
When you autox- just flash the realtime STX map and when you are done- reflash to the fun map (Stage 2).
Yes- if you left the stage 2 map realtime in place
so
When you autox- just flash the realtime STX map and when you are done- reflash to the fun map (Stage 2).
| Butt Dyno | 09-14-2006 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE=wirolla;15234961]Just wondering if any of you guys flash back to the stx map to be more competitive in autocross? Also, what is the power difference like?[/QUOTE]
Here is my old baseline (blue), STX ProTune (green) and non-STX ProTune (red):
[img]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2135/dyno0tm.jpg[/img]
Peak HP is only about 10, but as you can see the non-STX one is a lot smoother.
Here's the master "STX tune" thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=747498[/url]
john
Here is my old baseline (blue), STX ProTune (green) and non-STX ProTune (red):
[img]http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2135/dyno0tm.jpg[/img]
Peak HP is only about 10, but as you can see the non-STX one is a lot smoother.
Here's the master "STX tune" thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=747498[/url]
john
| PossumK | 09-14-2006 01:05 PM |
Which map were you running for the baseline?
| Butt Dyno | 09-14-2006 01:27 PM |
[QUOTE=PossumK;15245176]Which map were you running for the baseline?[/QUOTE]Stock... I had just put the intake on and didn't want to find out if that interacted well with the STX map. It'd have been a nice comparison to do the Cobb STX map but I didn't think that far ahead.
john
john
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