| Fred | 11-12-2002 02:18 AM |
a pic - trhoppe's new & improved WRX
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I can't think of any words to adequately describe it, so here's the picture:
[url]http://kevinmallen.home.att.net/lburg2_12.jpg[/url]
That's CamaroFS34 (Karen) driving.
Oh, and ummm... Tom, how about keeping the elbow inside the car? Mmmkay? Thanks...
[url]http://kevinmallen.home.att.net/lburg2_12.jpg[/url]
That's CamaroFS34 (Karen) driving.
Oh, and ummm... Tom, how about keeping the elbow inside the car? Mmmkay? Thanks...
| ellisnc | 11-12-2002 06:29 AM |
Re: a pic - trhoppe's new & improved WRX
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred [/i]
[B]Oh, and ummm... Tom, how about keeping the elbow inside the car? Mmmkay? Thanks... [/B][/QUOTE]
I was about to say.... :)
[B]Oh, and ummm... Tom, how about keeping the elbow inside the car? Mmmkay? Thanks... [/B][/QUOTE]
I was about to say.... :)
| trhoppe | 11-12-2002 09:22 AM |
:lol: when you have that > 1G pushing on you, your elbow kind of "moves" itself out of the window
That front wheel is aaaaalmost off the ground :)
I still can't figure out why I have all that body roll with the 400lb front springs and 24mm swaybar.
-Tom
That front wheel is aaaaalmost off the ground :)
I still can't figure out why I have all that body roll with the 400lb front springs and 24mm swaybar.
-Tom
| elgorey | 11-12-2002 09:25 AM |
wow that is a lot of body roll. either its the stickies, or the fat guy sitting in the passenger seat :lol: ;) jk
| KC | 11-12-2002 09:40 AM |
Looking good Tom! So now are you going to sell it and get a Type-R? :D :devil:
Karen, how do you compare his car now to how mine was last year, now having driven both of them?
Tom, now do you 'see' why I'm going with my setup next year? ;)
--kC
Karen, how do you compare his car now to how mine was last year, now having driven both of them?
Tom, now do you 'see' why I'm going with my setup next year? ;)
--kC
| jmott | 11-12-2002 10:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Looking good Tom! So now are you going to sell it and get a Type-R? :D :devil:
Karen, how do you compare his car now to how mine was last year, now having driven both of them?
Tom, now do you 'see' why I'm going with my setup next year? ;)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
what setup?
[B]Looking good Tom! So now are you going to sell it and get a Type-R? :D :devil:
Karen, how do you compare his car now to how mine was last year, now having driven both of them?
Tom, now do you 'see' why I'm going with my setup next year? ;)
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
what setup?
| Orion | 11-12-2002 10:47 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott [/i]
[B]
what setup? [/B][/QUOTE]
SSSHHHHH!!! it's a secret.;)
:lol:
[B]
what setup? [/B][/QUOTE]
SSSHHHHH!!! it's a secret.;)
:lol:
| jmott | 11-12-2002 11:07 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by orionf [/i]
[B]
SSSHHHHH!!! it's a secret.;)
:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
greggund stylez?
dun worry, im in SMOD, you can tell me =)
[B]
SSSHHHHH!!! it's a secret.;)
:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
greggund stylez?
dun worry, im in SMOD, you can tell me =)
| Orion | 11-12-2002 11:33 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott [/i]
[B]
greggund stylez?
dun worry, im in SMOD, you can tell me =) [/B][/QUOTE]
I actually don;t know. If he told me, I already forgot it.:lol:
[B]
greggund stylez?
dun worry, im in SMOD, you can tell me =) [/B][/QUOTE]
I actually don;t know. If he told me, I already forgot it.:lol:
| KC | 11-12-2002 12:01 PM |
Was I talking to you guys? No. I was talking to Tom. :p
It's suuperdooper top secret and for $24.95 I will share my thoughts. :D
(Double adjustables, don't know which ones yet with high spring rates)
--kC
It's suuperdooper top secret and for $24.95 I will share my thoughts. :D
(Double adjustables, don't know which ones yet with high spring rates)
--kC
| paultg | 11-12-2002 12:19 PM |
[QUOTE]That front wheel is aaaaalmost off the ground and I still can't figure out why I have all that body roll with the 400lb front springs and 24mm swaybar.
[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly (I'm no expert though).
Pretty cool. I want to see that tire off the ground next time! :lol:
Tom,
Have you had the car corner weighed? I don't know if that would help with body roll though.
Paul G.
[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly (I'm no expert though).
Pretty cool. I want to see that tire off the ground next time! :lol:
Tom,
Have you had the car corner weighed? I don't know if that would help with body roll though.
Paul G.
| trhoppe | 11-12-2002 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE]Have you had the car corner weighed? I don't know if that would help with body roll though.[/QUOTE] nope. It really shouldnt. I was going to wait for the corner weighing until february in florida. The SCCA has corner scales that they use to weight the MOD cars to make sure they meet weight. If you know the person working inpound, you can cornerweigh the car for free using those.
KC is going for the theory of balancing the car using high spring rates and almost eliminate the swaybars. I went for the lower spring rate and bigger bars to keep the ride sort of comfy. 400lbs is not soft though dammit! Car still shouldnt roll that much.
I wonder if I should get the whiteline front bar endlinks. The stock sedan front endlinks are pretty decent, but mine might have some "damage" front being taken on and off constantly last year. Also, the whiteline bar I have now is one of the ones they are redesigning because these "move back and forth". Would the bar moving back and forth a bit cause it not to work as well?
-Tom
KC is going for the theory of balancing the car using high spring rates and almost eliminate the swaybars. I went for the lower spring rate and bigger bars to keep the ride sort of comfy. 400lbs is not soft though dammit! Car still shouldnt roll that much.
I wonder if I should get the whiteline front bar endlinks. The stock sedan front endlinks are pretty decent, but mine might have some "damage" front being taken on and off constantly last year. Also, the whiteline bar I have now is one of the ones they are redesigning because these "move back and forth". Would the bar moving back and forth a bit cause it not to work as well?
-Tom
| DrBiggly | 11-12-2002 04:46 PM |
Tom,
With a swaybar isn't it's purpose to remain stiff and transfer weight from one side of the car to the other? If it is not remaining impartial to loads placed upon it (i.e. its moving under load) then I would think that it is not functioning entirely as it shoud.
edit: Have you asked whiteline just what specific advantages their new bar can offer over their old bar other than the "moving back and forth" problem?
With a swaybar isn't it's purpose to remain stiff and transfer weight from one side of the car to the other? If it is not remaining impartial to loads placed upon it (i.e. its moving under load) then I would think that it is not functioning entirely as it shoud.
edit: Have you asked whiteline just what specific advantages their new bar can offer over their old bar other than the "moving back and forth" problem?
| CamaroFS34 | 11-12-2002 05:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]:lol: when you have that > 1G pushing on you, your elbow kind of "moves" itself out of the window
That front wheel is aaaaalmost off the ground :)
I still can't figure out why I have all that body roll with the 400lb front springs and 24mm swaybar.
[/B][/QUOTE]Is that entering the "p"? I think that's just before I let the tail hang out and then goosed it to bring it back in shape for that next "chicago box". I like the pic.... thanks for the link!
Karen
[B]:lol: when you have that > 1G pushing on you, your elbow kind of "moves" itself out of the window
That front wheel is aaaaalmost off the ground :)
I still can't figure out why I have all that body roll with the 400lb front springs and 24mm swaybar.
[/B][/QUOTE]Is that entering the "p"? I think that's just before I let the tail hang out and then goosed it to bring it back in shape for that next "chicago box". I like the pic.... thanks for the link!
Karen
| CamaroFS34 | 11-12-2002 05:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Karen, how do you compare his car now to how mine was last year, now having driven both of them?[/B][/QUOTE]I still like elgorey's the best. ;)
Seriously though, I hadn't autocrossed since Nationals, and the day before that pic was taken, I was instructing in an F150 Lightning. So, my perspective may be a little skewed. :) I was talking to Tom about this, however, and your car [i]definitely[/i] felt too soft with the setup I drove. I'm not sure, however, how much difference the fact that it's a wagon makes -- the other STX WRX I've driven (elgorey's) happens to be a sedan too, and so now I'm starting to wonder how much of a role the body style makes with the handling. I was starting to feel a little more confident with your car on the second day of the Pro Finale, and beginning to toss it around more, but just from what I'm remembering, it wasn't quite as responsive to the "tossing" as Tom's was (of course, after my first two runs, we needed to tone down some of the oversteer). I wasn't driving your car hard enough though, since I was still gunshy after Peru.
I'm guessing you're going to go to a stiffer setup with the shocks and maybe the springs too?
Karen
[B]Karen, how do you compare his car now to how mine was last year, now having driven both of them?[/B][/QUOTE]I still like elgorey's the best. ;)
Seriously though, I hadn't autocrossed since Nationals, and the day before that pic was taken, I was instructing in an F150 Lightning. So, my perspective may be a little skewed. :) I was talking to Tom about this, however, and your car [i]definitely[/i] felt too soft with the setup I drove. I'm not sure, however, how much difference the fact that it's a wagon makes -- the other STX WRX I've driven (elgorey's) happens to be a sedan too, and so now I'm starting to wonder how much of a role the body style makes with the handling. I was starting to feel a little more confident with your car on the second day of the Pro Finale, and beginning to toss it around more, but just from what I'm remembering, it wasn't quite as responsive to the "tossing" as Tom's was (of course, after my first two runs, we needed to tone down some of the oversteer). I wasn't driving your car hard enough though, since I was still gunshy after Peru.
I'm guessing you're going to go to a stiffer setup with the shocks and maybe the springs too?
Karen
| elgorey | 11-12-2002 05:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CamaroFS34 [/i]
[B]I still like elgorey's the best. [/B][/QUOTE]
:D :D
aww Karen you're just saying that so I will let you drive it again ;)
[B]I still like elgorey's the best. [/B][/QUOTE]
:D :D
aww Karen you're just saying that so I will let you drive it again ;)
| paultg | 11-12-2002 08:00 PM |
[QUOTE]KC is going for the theory of balancing the car using high spring rates and almost eliminate the swaybars. I went for the lower spring rate and bigger bars to keep the ride sort of comfy. 400lbs is not soft though dammit! Car still shouldnt roll that much. [/QUOTE]
Two interesting (and very differnet) methods. I guess it really depends on your driving style. I wonder how the high spring rates with almost no sway bars will react to weight transfer (or the lack of). It will be cool to see how you both maintain "traction" under braking and turning with such different setups.
Paul G.
Two interesting (and very differnet) methods. I guess it really depends on your driving style. I wonder how the high spring rates with almost no sway bars will react to weight transfer (or the lack of). It will be cool to see how you both maintain "traction" under braking and turning with such different setups.
Paul G.
| KC | 11-12-2002 10:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by paultg [/i]
[B]
Two interesting (and very differnet) methods. I guess it really depends on your driving style. I wonder how the high spring rates with almost no sway bars will react to weight transfer (or the lack of). It will be cool to see how you both maintain "traction" under braking and turning with such different setups.
Paul G. [/B][/QUOTE]I can't wait to find out either Paul. :)
I can see driving to an event with the tires set at 15psi for a 'comfy' ride. :D Forget about a 'padded non-reclining seat'... I'll want an inflatable/waterfilled one. :lol:
--kC
[B]
Two interesting (and very differnet) methods. I guess it really depends on your driving style. I wonder how the high spring rates with almost no sway bars will react to weight transfer (or the lack of). It will be cool to see how you both maintain "traction" under braking and turning with such different setups.
Paul G. [/B][/QUOTE]I can't wait to find out either Paul. :)
I can see driving to an event with the tires set at 15psi for a 'comfy' ride. :D Forget about a 'padded non-reclining seat'... I'll want an inflatable/waterfilled one. :lol:
--kC
| ChrisDP | 11-13-2002 12:55 AM |
Those guys don't need traction under braking and turning. Braking only slows you down. :)
PS- will be interesting to see how those aggressive setups work on true street rubber, ie KC's ultra-high springrates and Tom's current setup
PS- will be interesting to see how those aggressive setups work on true street rubber, ie KC's ultra-high springrates and Tom's current setup
| Kostamojen | 11-13-2002 03:15 AM |
That pic amazes me how little bodyroll my car has in comparison :lol:
Try loosing some weight off of the car, and loosing the passanger, and taking another pic :p
Try loosing some weight off of the car, and loosing the passanger, and taking another pic :p
| ellisnc | 11-13-2002 07:33 AM |
here's a pic of mine for comparison if you want.
I had about a 170 pound passenger in the car at the time and the car is on JIC coilovers. 8kg front 6 kg rear with all the Cusco bracing and stabi bars set at max. Running 225 Ecsta V700 on stock rims
[IMG]http://24.210.66.43/subaru\ColumbusAutoX-045.jpg[/IMG]
I had about a 170 pound passenger in the car at the time and the car is on JIC coilovers. 8kg front 6 kg rear with all the Cusco bracing and stabi bars set at max. Running 225 Ecsta V700 on stock rims
[IMG]http://24.210.66.43/subaru\ColumbusAutoX-045.jpg[/IMG]
| paultg | 11-13-2002 08:28 AM |
You guys are all comparing your body roll to Tom's picture, your forgetting one thing:
[b]He is going much faster than you are[/b] :lol:
KC- I think you should get one of those seats from an MBTA bus. They float on their own suspension/seat frame!
Paul G. ;)
[b]He is going much faster than you are[/b] :lol:
KC- I think you should get one of those seats from an MBTA bus. They float on their own suspension/seat frame!
Paul G. ;)
| KC | 11-13-2002 08:41 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by paultg [/i]
[B]You guys are all comparing your body roll to Tom's picture, your forgetting one thing:
[b]He is going much faster than you are[/b] :lol:
KC- I think you should get one of those seats from an MBTA bus. They float on their own suspension/seat frame!
Paul G. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]W00t! Can it have the stains from the food too???? :D Oh wait.... they haven't been g-tested... Busses hardly ever feel lateral g's. :D
[B]You guys are all comparing your body roll to Tom's picture, your forgetting one thing:
[b]He is going much faster than you are[/b] :lol:
KC- I think you should get one of those seats from an MBTA bus. They float on their own suspension/seat frame!
Paul G. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]W00t! Can it have the stains from the food too???? :D Oh wait.... they haven't been g-tested... Busses hardly ever feel lateral g's. :D
| AWMIII | 11-13-2002 08:44 AM |
Yeah air ride. I vote for the fat guy in the passeneger seat option.:lol:
| CamaroFS34 | 11-13-2002 10:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by paultg [/i]
[B]You guys are all comparing your body roll to Tom's picture, your forgetting one thing:
[b]He is going much faster than you are[/b] :lol:[/B][/QUOTE][i]She[/i] is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked! ;) :lol:
Karen
[B]You guys are all comparing your body roll to Tom's picture, your forgetting one thing:
[b]He is going much faster than you are[/b] :lol:[/B][/QUOTE][i]She[/i] is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked! ;) :lol:
Karen
| paultg | 11-13-2002 12:07 PM |
[QUOTE]W00t! Can it have the stains from the food too???? Oh wait.... they haven't been g-tested... Busses hardly ever feel lateral g's.[/QUOTE]
You obviously haven't been on a 104 or 109 MBTA bus through the Rt99 Sullivan Sq. Rotary or the Rt 16 / Rt 99 Junction! :lol:
I hold on for life!
[quote]She is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked![/quote]
Sorry Karen, my bad. :)
Paul G.
You obviously haven't been on a 104 or 109 MBTA bus through the Rt99 Sullivan Sq. Rotary or the Rt 16 / Rt 99 Junction! :lol:
I hold on for life!
[quote]She is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked![/quote]
Sorry Karen, my bad. :)
Paul G.
| Ryouga | 11-14-2002 09:46 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CamaroFS34 [/i]
[B][i]She[/i] is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked! ;) :lol:
Karen[/B][/QUOTE]
Hey. Tom was in the car, too.
He just wasn't in the driver's seat. :lol:
[B][i]She[/i] is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked! ;) :lol:
Karen[/B][/QUOTE]
Hey. Tom was in the car, too.
He just wasn't in the driver's seat. :lol:
| trhoppe | 11-14-2002 10:13 AM |
[QUOTE]She is going faster.... at least last time anyone checked! [/QUOTE] :lol: :lol:
It seems that 400lb springs on a 3200lb car are really not that stiff and I *should* be getting body roll.
I was thinking about lowering the car a bit, but realized that if I do lower it much more, I might be hitting the bumpstops, which would not be good at all. So my "fix" with this will be to use the ol' ziptie tie trick to see how far away I am from the bumpstops and lower the car half that distance.
-Tom
It seems that 400lb springs on a 3200lb car are really not that stiff and I *should* be getting body roll.
I was thinking about lowering the car a bit, but realized that if I do lower it much more, I might be hitting the bumpstops, which would not be good at all. So my "fix" with this will be to use the ol' ziptie tie trick to see how far away I am from the bumpstops and lower the car half that distance.
-Tom
| jmott | 11-14-2002 10:53 AM |
cut the bumpstomps down a bit =)
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] :lol: :lol:
It seems that 400lb springs on a 3200lb car are really not that stiff and I *should* be getting body roll.
I was thinking about lowering the car a bit, but realized that if I do lower it much more, I might be hitting the bumpstops, which would not be good at all. So my "fix" with this will be to use the ol' ziptie tie trick to see how far away I am from the bumpstops and lower the car half that distance.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] :lol: :lol:
It seems that 400lb springs on a 3200lb car are really not that stiff and I *should* be getting body roll.
I was thinking about lowering the car a bit, but realized that if I do lower it much more, I might be hitting the bumpstops, which would not be good at all. So my "fix" with this will be to use the ol' ziptie tie trick to see how far away I am from the bumpstops and lower the car half that distance.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
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