| Ferg | 02-20-2006 02:15 PM |
There's nothing in the rules to stop any team from running a restricted V10 this year...
[i]que scary music[/i]
[i]que scary music[/i]
| StuBeck | 02-20-2006 03:41 PM |
I think its just the fact that their car is rubbish, not just the engine. I'm happy about that though, esepcailly after all the crap they pulled last year with testing all the time.
| Bonzo | 02-20-2006 03:46 PM |
If MS runs the v10 and starts winnning, I garuntee that brown smelly stuff is going to hit the fan. :banana:
As the Formula One world turns.
As the Formula One world turns.
| bitterWRX | 02-20-2006 04:48 PM |
With that being said though, do you think MS would be desperate enough to run a restricted V10? Is he willing to go that way in order to win a championship and forever mar his dynasty? Or do you think he will run the V8?
I have heard rumors that MS might start his own team after his retirement.
I have heard rumors that MS might start his own team after his retirement.
| artkevin | 02-20-2006 06:13 PM |
In a word, Yes.
I don't think it will mar his image. There is nothing in the rules as Ferg said to keep any of the teams from running a rev limited V10. If I were McLaren or Ferrari I would be taking a serious look at it right about now.
I don't think it will mar his image. There is nothing in the rules as Ferg said to keep any of the teams from running a rev limited V10. If I were McLaren or Ferrari I would be taking a serious look at it right about now.
| meebs | 02-20-2006 06:42 PM |
VE-GAS! VE-GAS! VE-GAS!
What a perfect place for the GP, cheap airfare, cheap hotel stay... talk aboout a success!!
What a perfect place for the GP, cheap airfare, cheap hotel stay... talk aboout a success!!
| TimStevens | 02-20-2006 06:49 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs]VE-GAS! VE-GAS! VE-GAS!
What a perfect place for the GP, cheap airfare, cheap hotel stay... talk aboout a success!![/QUOTE]
Heh, they won't stay cheap for a GP weekend, that's for sure.
What a perfect place for the GP, cheap airfare, cheap hotel stay... talk aboout a success!![/QUOTE]
Heh, they won't stay cheap for a GP weekend, that's for sure.
| bitterWRX | 02-20-2006 06:59 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]In a word, Yes.
I don't think it will mar his image. There is nothing in the rules as Ferg said to keep any of the teams from running a rev limited V10. If I were McLaren or Ferrari I would be taking a serious look at it right about now.[/QUOTE]
There might not be a rule about running rev limited V10... but why would they switch over to using V8s? There must be something that enforces this rule otherwise why are teams even bothering with developing V8s in the first place? I mean, it doesn't help with keeping the cost down... that's for sure.
I don't think it will mar his image. There is nothing in the rules as Ferg said to keep any of the teams from running a rev limited V10. If I were McLaren or Ferrari I would be taking a serious look at it right about now.[/QUOTE]
There might not be a rule about running rev limited V10... but why would they switch over to using V8s? There must be something that enforces this rule otherwise why are teams even bothering with developing V8s in the first place? I mean, it doesn't help with keeping the cost down... that's for sure.
| XenoWolf | 02-20-2006 07:00 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs]VE-GAS! VE-GAS! VE-GAS!
What a perfect place for the GP, cheap airfare, cheap hotel stay... talk aboout a success!![/QUOTE]
Didn't they try this once? Wasn't it a huge failure?
What a perfect place for the GP, cheap airfare, cheap hotel stay... talk aboout a success!![/QUOTE]
Didn't they try this once? Wasn't it a huge failure?
| StuBeck | 02-20-2006 07:58 PM |
Any team can run rev-limited V10's. They will always be slower then a V8 though. The FIA has said they will limit the rev's or further increase the restrictor on the intake so it is slower then a V8. The only two things it has are better torque and cheaper. Well...and it is probably more reliable.
The FIA would not allow a team to win teh championship with a V10 now.
I don't think the problem with the F 248 is the engine only though. The chassis is slow (they are 2 seconds off the pace at bahrain) and the rest of the car is unreliable.
The FIA would not allow a team to win teh championship with a V10 now.
I don't think the problem with the F 248 is the engine only though. The chassis is slow (they are 2 seconds off the pace at bahrain) and the rest of the car is unreliable.
| StuBeck | 02-20-2006 07:58 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Didn't they try this once? Wasn't it a huge failure?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but it was run in a parking lot. They would probably run at Las Vegas Motor Speedway (which actually has a somewhat decent road course, but not up to F1 standards...and pretty msasive banking.)
Yes, but it was run in a parking lot. They would probably run at Las Vegas Motor Speedway (which actually has a somewhat decent road course, but not up to F1 standards...and pretty msasive banking.)
| Ferg | 02-20-2006 08:13 PM |
On the Vegas note....
I saw one of those "What happens here stays here." commercials for Vegas..it's the onw where the guy is lieing about himself to woo women...
Liar, "I'm a racecar driver. Formula Two."
Liar's wingman, "One."
Liar, "Formula One."
Bernie wants a race in Vegas, Vegas useing F1 in their ads....
Coincidence?
I think maybe.
I saw one of those "What happens here stays here." commercials for Vegas..it's the onw where the guy is lieing about himself to woo women...
Liar, "I'm a racecar driver. Formula Two."
Liar's wingman, "One."
Liar, "Formula One."
Bernie wants a race in Vegas, Vegas useing F1 in their ads....
Coincidence?
I think maybe.
| XenoWolf | 02-20-2006 08:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]On the Vegas note....
I saw one of those "What happens here stays here." commercials for Vegas..it's the onw where the guy is lieing about himself to woo women...
Liar, "I'm a racecar driver. Formula Two."
Liar's wingman, "One."
Liar, "Formula One."
Bernie wants a race in Vegas, Vegas useing F1 in their ads....
Coincidence?
I think maybe.[/QUOTE]
I seen that one too, got a chuckle out of me. I wouldn't read too much into it though.
I saw one of those "What happens here stays here." commercials for Vegas..it's the onw where the guy is lieing about himself to woo women...
Liar, "I'm a racecar driver. Formula Two."
Liar's wingman, "One."
Liar, "Formula One."
Bernie wants a race in Vegas, Vegas useing F1 in their ads....
Coincidence?
I think maybe.[/QUOTE]
I seen that one too, got a chuckle out of me. I wouldn't read too much into it though.
| Ferg | 02-20-2006 11:36 PM |
Reading too much into F1 rumors is what I do best.
| Ferg | 02-21-2006 08:36 AM |
Super Aguri hits the track.
[QUOTE]Super Aguri take to the track in Barcelona
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 11:37 GMT
The Super Aguri Formula One team made their track debut on Tuesday morning when they completed their first public laps at the Barcelona circuit.
Japanese driver Takuma Sato was the man in charge of completing the first installation lap in the Honda-powered SA05 early in the day.
Super Aguri, a last-minute entry for the 2006 season, had already shook down the car in private in the Kemble airfield last week.
Sato's running, however, was curtailed after the car hit trouble on its third lap, stopping on track and causing the first red flag of the day. The car was towed back to the pits, where the team are still working on it.
Sato's best lap so far had been over 13 seconds off the pace set by Williams driver Mark Webber.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Symonds: Renault, Honda ahead of rivals
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 11:30 GMT
Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds believes his team and Honda are a step in front of their rivals ahead of the start of the season.
World Champions Renault and rivals Honda have been the pace setters during winter testing, although Symonds reckons McLaren are catching up following their initial engine problems.
Symonds says Ferrari are not far behind either.
"So far this winter, I think it appears ourselves and Honda may have slightly the upper hand, but McLaren are certainly getting there too," said Symonds.
"Last week in Valencia, they produced some very good long run times and started looking competitive. And Ferrari are not far behind."
But with most of the teams introducing revised packages for the Bahrain race, Symonds claims the order at the top could change come the first Grand Prix.
"Everybody will have new packages at the first race - ourselves included � and that may slightly alter the balance. So we cannot be sure of the final standings, but we know we are somewhere near the front."[/QUOTE]
Full testing report from Barecelona later today.
:)
[QUOTE]Super Aguri take to the track in Barcelona
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 11:37 GMT
The Super Aguri Formula One team made their track debut on Tuesday morning when they completed their first public laps at the Barcelona circuit.
Japanese driver Takuma Sato was the man in charge of completing the first installation lap in the Honda-powered SA05 early in the day.
Super Aguri, a last-minute entry for the 2006 season, had already shook down the car in private in the Kemble airfield last week.
Sato's running, however, was curtailed after the car hit trouble on its third lap, stopping on track and causing the first red flag of the day. The car was towed back to the pits, where the team are still working on it.
Sato's best lap so far had been over 13 seconds off the pace set by Williams driver Mark Webber.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Symonds: Renault, Honda ahead of rivals
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 11:30 GMT
Renault's director of engineering Pat Symonds believes his team and Honda are a step in front of their rivals ahead of the start of the season.
World Champions Renault and rivals Honda have been the pace setters during winter testing, although Symonds reckons McLaren are catching up following their initial engine problems.
Symonds says Ferrari are not far behind either.
"So far this winter, I think it appears ourselves and Honda may have slightly the upper hand, but McLaren are certainly getting there too," said Symonds.
"Last week in Valencia, they produced some very good long run times and started looking competitive. And Ferrari are not far behind."
But with most of the teams introducing revised packages for the Bahrain race, Symonds claims the order at the top could change come the first Grand Prix.
"Everybody will have new packages at the first race - ourselves included � and that may slightly alter the balance. So we cannot be sure of the final standings, but we know we are somewhere near the front."[/QUOTE]
Full testing report from Barecelona later today.
:)
| enduroshark | 02-21-2006 10:21 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]With that being said though, do you think MS would be desperate enough to run a restricted V10? Is he willing to go that way in order to win a championship and forever mar his dynasty? Or do you think he will run the V8?
I have heard rumors that MS might start his own team after his retirement.[/QUOTE]
MS NOT desperate enough to do what it takes to win?
Have you been watching the same F1 that I have?
:lol:
I have heard rumors that MS might start his own team after his retirement.[/QUOTE]
MS NOT desperate enough to do what it takes to win?
Have you been watching the same F1 that I have?
:lol:
| StuBeck | 02-21-2006 10:22 AM |
I always liked the look of the Arrows, although I think that front wing is very illegal.
| Ferg | 02-21-2006 10:31 AM |
It's hard to get an idea on just how high that front wing is with the Aguri's super high nose.
You're right though, the car still looks like a 2002 spec Arrows.
Still.... 13 seconds off the pace (yeah I know it only turned three laps) I guess the FIA isn't too worried.
You're right though, the car still looks like a 2002 spec Arrows.
Still.... 13 seconds off the pace (yeah I know it only turned three laps) I guess the FIA isn't too worried.
| Ferg | 02-21-2006 11:35 AM |
Barcelona, Day One.
[QUOTE]Webber goes fastest at Barcelona
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 16:20 GMT
Australian Mark Webber recorded the quickest time on the opening day of this week's testing at the Barcelona circuit, where the Super Aguri team made their first public outing.
The teams' progress, however, was hindered by the rain which hit the Spanish track in the afternoon, with none of the drivers present completing a lot of mileage.
All the fastest times where set in the morning, with Webber posting a 1:17.699 to finish on top with his Williams FW28.
The Australian driver, who caused one of the day's red flags when he stopped early in the afternoon, completed 45 laps.
His teammate Nico Rosberg only set a time late in the session when the track was wet, having spent the morning practising starts in the second FW28. Rosberg caused two red flags, one of them when his engine blew up.
Kimi Raikkonen continued to show the improving pace of the McLaren MP4-21 as he finished in second, less than a tenth behind Webber. Raikkonen, alongside Midland's Tiago Monteiro, was the busiest man on track with 59 laps completed.
Raikkonen's teammate Juan Pablo Montoya covered just 22 laps before he suffered a gearbox problem in the morning.
Robert Doornbos kicked off the Red Bull's testing programme at the wheel of the RB2 car, the Dutchman setting the third quickest laptime, ahead of Monteiro in the only Midland MF16 on track.
The Super Aguri team did not enjoy a very productive first public day of testing after Takuma Sato could only manage eight laps. Sato suffered a hydraulics problem after three laps in the morning and his team spent a lot of time fixing it.
The Japanese driver returned to the track late in the afternoon, but spun five laps later and, given the conditions, he didn't go back out. His teammate Yuji Ide is scheduled to test tomorrow.
"The priority of this test was to begin track testing of the SA05 systems - including electronics, hydraulics and brakes," said Mark Preston, the team's chief technical officer. "Although our reliability was not great today, it is the reason why we are here, to test and sort these kinds of problems out.
"This morning's running was cut short due to a small hydraulic problem which was soon rectified. However, in the rain-drenched afternoon, Taku spun at the hairpin, with no damage to the car, while experimenting with new traction control software.
"This afternoon's running was cut short by a similar problem to the one we had this morning. We will now be working overnight and are hoping for a successful day's running tomorrow when we start our tyre programme for Bahrain."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:17.699 45
2. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:17.790 59
3. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:18.439 46
4. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:18.717 59
5. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:18.875 22
6. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:30.244 8
7. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:37.188 16
All Timing Unofficial [/QUOTE]
Ferrari still running at Sahkir.
[QUOTE]Ferrari complete Bahrain test
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 16:29 GMT
The Ferrari team completed on Tuesday their testing programme at the Sakhir circuit in Bahrain, home of the first Grand Prix of the season in less than three weeks time.
Former World Champion Michael Schumacher was again at the wheel of the 248 F1 car, working mainly on the development of Bridgestone tyres. He set a best time of 1:30.723 after 55 laps.
The German also took to the track in the F2004 fitted with the V10 in the afternoon, covering a further 47 laps with a best time of 1:30.375.
Teammate Felipe Massa worked only with the F2004, completing 36 laps in the morning. He was faster than Schumacher with a best lap of 1:29.958.
Ferrari will continue testing on February 27 at Mugello.[/QUOTE]
18 days until Bahrain!
:banana:
[QUOTE]Webber goes fastest at Barcelona
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 16:20 GMT
Australian Mark Webber recorded the quickest time on the opening day of this week's testing at the Barcelona circuit, where the Super Aguri team made their first public outing.
The teams' progress, however, was hindered by the rain which hit the Spanish track in the afternoon, with none of the drivers present completing a lot of mileage.
All the fastest times where set in the morning, with Webber posting a 1:17.699 to finish on top with his Williams FW28.
The Australian driver, who caused one of the day's red flags when he stopped early in the afternoon, completed 45 laps.
His teammate Nico Rosberg only set a time late in the session when the track was wet, having spent the morning practising starts in the second FW28. Rosberg caused two red flags, one of them when his engine blew up.
Kimi Raikkonen continued to show the improving pace of the McLaren MP4-21 as he finished in second, less than a tenth behind Webber. Raikkonen, alongside Midland's Tiago Monteiro, was the busiest man on track with 59 laps completed.
Raikkonen's teammate Juan Pablo Montoya covered just 22 laps before he suffered a gearbox problem in the morning.
Robert Doornbos kicked off the Red Bull's testing programme at the wheel of the RB2 car, the Dutchman setting the third quickest laptime, ahead of Monteiro in the only Midland MF16 on track.
The Super Aguri team did not enjoy a very productive first public day of testing after Takuma Sato could only manage eight laps. Sato suffered a hydraulics problem after three laps in the morning and his team spent a lot of time fixing it.
The Japanese driver returned to the track late in the afternoon, but spun five laps later and, given the conditions, he didn't go back out. His teammate Yuji Ide is scheduled to test tomorrow.
"The priority of this test was to begin track testing of the SA05 systems - including electronics, hydraulics and brakes," said Mark Preston, the team's chief technical officer. "Although our reliability was not great today, it is the reason why we are here, to test and sort these kinds of problems out.
"This morning's running was cut short due to a small hydraulic problem which was soon rectified. However, in the rain-drenched afternoon, Taku spun at the hairpin, with no damage to the car, while experimenting with new traction control software.
"This afternoon's running was cut short by a similar problem to the one we had this morning. We will now be working overnight and are hoping for a successful day's running tomorrow when we start our tyre programme for Bahrain."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:17.699 45
2. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:17.790 59
3. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:18.439 46
4. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:18.717 59
5. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:18.875 22
6. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:30.244 8
7. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:37.188 16
All Timing Unofficial [/QUOTE]
Ferrari still running at Sahkir.
[QUOTE]Ferrari complete Bahrain test
Tuesday, February 21st 2006, 16:29 GMT
The Ferrari team completed on Tuesday their testing programme at the Sakhir circuit in Bahrain, home of the first Grand Prix of the season in less than three weeks time.
Former World Champion Michael Schumacher was again at the wheel of the 248 F1 car, working mainly on the development of Bridgestone tyres. He set a best time of 1:30.723 after 55 laps.
The German also took to the track in the F2004 fitted with the V10 in the afternoon, covering a further 47 laps with a best time of 1:30.375.
Teammate Felipe Massa worked only with the F2004, completing 36 laps in the morning. He was faster than Schumacher with a best lap of 1:29.958.
Ferrari will continue testing on February 27 at Mugello.[/QUOTE]
18 days until Bahrain!
:banana:
| Braz | 02-21-2006 11:54 AM |
I'm very happy to hear of the improving Mclaren. Would like to hear what Kimi has to say about the car after the engine changes. Good stuff Ferg.
| Dussander | 02-21-2006 12:17 PM |
It still seems that one McLaren breaks every day!
| artkevin | 02-21-2006 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]I always liked the look of the Arrows, although I think that front wing is very illegal.[/QUOTE]
I love that nose so much I just started a painting of the old Arrows that shows it off. But yes, just about everything on that car is out of spec for 06.
I love that nose so much I just started a painting of the old Arrows that shows it off. But yes, just about everything on that car is out of spec for 06.
| Braz | 02-21-2006 01:52 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]It still seems that one McLaren breaks every day![/QUOTE]
Fine with me as long as it's JPM! :devil: I was beginning to be quite concerned about their engine until lately.
Fine with me as long as it's JPM! :devil: I was beginning to be quite concerned about their engine until lately.
| Dussander | 02-21-2006 03:40 PM |
^-- You are dead to me! :furious:
:D
:D
| StuBeck | 02-21-2006 04:01 PM |
I wonder if the team has gotten special dispensation to run the chassis as is. if they really are that slow (I think they're probably closer to 7 seconds off since it was raining when Taku went off) then its okay to run the chassis for only a few races while they get the new one fixed.
| Ferg | 02-21-2006 04:08 PM |
I tend to agree with you Stu, the FIA has to know what a no-hoper the SA05 is so why make a fuss if it's going to be consigned to the history books after three or four races.
Although that reminds me of the fuss Stoddy created last year when he wanted to run the Minardi's in 2004 spec because he couldn't find the cash (allegedly) to upgrade them to the 2005 aero regs. The FIA knew then that the Minardi, even with better aero wouldn't be a factor yet they threw up all kinds of artillery to stop it, even threatening the race's future when Stoddy went to the courts.
Is this a case of approach then? Is Super Aguri being cut some slack because they don't intend to cause Bernie and Max much trouble? They did after all already sign up for Bernie's championship, while Stoddart was one of the most vocal of the breakaway teams...
Of course Aguri may have a legal front wing waiting in the garage, but why risk it with Sato and Ide...
Although that reminds me of the fuss Stoddy created last year when he wanted to run the Minardi's in 2004 spec because he couldn't find the cash (allegedly) to upgrade them to the 2005 aero regs. The FIA knew then that the Minardi, even with better aero wouldn't be a factor yet they threw up all kinds of artillery to stop it, even threatening the race's future when Stoddy went to the courts.
Is this a case of approach then? Is Super Aguri being cut some slack because they don't intend to cause Bernie and Max much trouble? They did after all already sign up for Bernie's championship, while Stoddart was one of the most vocal of the breakaway teams...
Of course Aguri may have a legal front wing waiting in the garage, but why risk it with Sato and Ide...
| bitterWRX | 02-21-2006 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE=enduroshark]MS NOT desperate enough to do what it takes to win?
Have you been watching the same F1 that I have?
:lol:[/QUOTE]
haha yes.
Everyone is desperate to take a win... but the question I'm posing is, whether or not he will win with class. That's what I'm wondering about.
Have you been watching the same F1 that I have?
:lol:[/QUOTE]
haha yes.
Everyone is desperate to take a win... but the question I'm posing is, whether or not he will win with class. That's what I'm wondering about.
| JoD | 02-21-2006 04:50 PM |
Maybe Michael was the one driving this Enzo that crashed today - see below. Tired of a lack of performance? :D
The article says the chase was in excess of 100 mph, but the videos say the Enzo was going around 200 mph.
You won't believe what's left of the car - check out both video links to the side. Bye bye $1 million....
[URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-022106crash_lat,0,3727466.story?coll=la-home-headlines[/URL]
The article says the chase was in excess of 100 mph, but the videos say the Enzo was going around 200 mph.
You won't believe what's left of the car - check out both video links to the side. Bye bye $1 million....
[URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-022106crash_lat,0,3727466.story?coll=la-home-headlines[/URL]
| Harvey_Mushman | 02-21-2006 04:54 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD]Maybe Michael was the one driving this Enzo that crashed today - see below. Tired of a lack of performance? :D
The article says the chase was in excess of 100 mph, but the videos say the Enzo was going around 200 mph.
You won't believe what's left of the car - check out both video links to the side. Bye bye $1 million....
[URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-022106crash_lat,0,3727466.story?coll=la-home-headlines[/URL][/QUOTE]
More here too: [url]http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/more-on-the-enzo-incident-on-pch-with-photos-156121.php[/url]
Man, he/she did a number! Rossi maybe?
The article says the chase was in excess of 100 mph, but the videos say the Enzo was going around 200 mph.
You won't believe what's left of the car - check out both video links to the side. Bye bye $1 million....
[URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-022106crash_lat,0,3727466.story?coll=la-home-headlines[/URL][/QUOTE]
More here too: [url]http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/more-on-the-enzo-incident-on-pch-with-photos-156121.php[/url]
Man, he/she did a number! Rossi maybe?
| StuBeck | 02-21-2006 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]I tend to agree with you Stu, the FIA has to know what a no-hoper the SA05 is so why make a fuss if it's going to be consigned to the history books after three or four races.
Although that reminds me of the fuss Stoddy created last year when he wanted to run the Minardi's in 2004 spec because he couldn't find the cash (allegedly) to upgrade them to the 2005 aero regs. The FIA knew then that the Minardi, even with better aero wouldn't be a factor yet they threw up all kinds of artillery to stop it, even threatening the race's future when Stoddy went to the courts.
Is this a case of approach then? Is Super Aguri being cut some slack because they don't intend to cause Bernie and Max much trouble? They did after all already sign up for Bernie's championship, while Stoddart was one of the most vocal of the breakaway teams...
Of course Aguri may have a legal front wing waiting in the garage, but why risk it with Sato and Ide...[/QUOTE]
Stoddart had the stuff he needed to be in 05 form though, hence why he was able to run the season. He also had enough cash to modify the cars. I think it could be the way Stoddart did it too, going through the court system which just pissed everyone else.
It does also make sense to not run the new parts if they are just doing basic tests and are nervous about breaking the new parts. I just hope they get the new car out on time and are able to be somewhat ocmpetative with MF1 and STR.
Although that reminds me of the fuss Stoddy created last year when he wanted to run the Minardi's in 2004 spec because he couldn't find the cash (allegedly) to upgrade them to the 2005 aero regs. The FIA knew then that the Minardi, even with better aero wouldn't be a factor yet they threw up all kinds of artillery to stop it, even threatening the race's future when Stoddy went to the courts.
Is this a case of approach then? Is Super Aguri being cut some slack because they don't intend to cause Bernie and Max much trouble? They did after all already sign up for Bernie's championship, while Stoddart was one of the most vocal of the breakaway teams...
Of course Aguri may have a legal front wing waiting in the garage, but why risk it with Sato and Ide...[/QUOTE]
Stoddart had the stuff he needed to be in 05 form though, hence why he was able to run the season. He also had enough cash to modify the cars. I think it could be the way Stoddart did it too, going through the court system which just pissed everyone else.
It does also make sense to not run the new parts if they are just doing basic tests and are nervous about breaking the new parts. I just hope they get the new car out on time and are able to be somewhat ocmpetative with MF1 and STR.
| finnRex | 02-21-2006 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Braz]Fine with me as long as it's JPM! :devil: I was beginning to be quite concerned about their engine until lately.[/QUOTE]
^^^^I like this guy:D.
Mika(looking at Kevin, and smilin', 'cuz I know he's :furious:...:lol: )
^^^^I like this guy:D.
Mika(looking at Kevin, and smilin', 'cuz I know he's :furious:...:lol: )
| artkevin | 02-21-2006 10:40 PM |
No comment.
| bitterWRX | 02-22-2006 02:16 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Is this a case of approach then? Is Super Aguri being cut some slack because they don't intend to cause Bernie and Max much trouble? They did after all already sign up for Bernie's championship, while Stoddart was one of the most vocal of the breakaway teams...
Of course Aguri may have a legal front wing waiting in the garage, but why risk it with Sato and Ide...[/QUOTE]
Being a big fan of the growing Japanese teams... I'm actually getting nervous just thinking about their performance when raceday comes. I wonder how they will do... I don't have much faith in Sato... and I've never seen Ide drive so I'm at no liberty to say.
Of course Aguri may have a legal front wing waiting in the garage, but why risk it with Sato and Ide...[/QUOTE]
Being a big fan of the growing Japanese teams... I'm actually getting nervous just thinking about their performance when raceday comes. I wonder how they will do... I don't have much faith in Sato... and I've never seen Ide drive so I'm at no liberty to say.
| Ferg | 02-22-2006 08:29 AM |
Gold Stars all around for calling the Super Aguri illegal. :)
[QUOTE]Super Aguri to use revised aero package
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 11:27 GMT
The Super Aguri team plan to introduce a revised aerodynamic package for their SA05 car following this week's public testing debut at Barcelona, autosport.com has learned.
The Honda-powered squad are testing the SA05, based on an old Arrows chassis, in order to check the systems in what is their first public outing.
The car is running with an old aerodynamic package that autosport.com understands does not comply with the 2006 regulations.
But technical director Mark Preston revealed the team will test a revised bodywork next week at the Silverstone circuit, adding that only the current car's mechanical and electronic systems will be used in the first race in Bahrain.
"The systems car that we are running in Barcelona this week during our test does not have the definitive 2006 bodywork, this will be released at Silverstone next week," Preston said. "The systems car is exactly that, a systems car.
"It is running the full mechanical and electronic specification that will be taken to Bahrain. This gives us the maximum time in the wind tunnel to work on downforce."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Sato praises Super Aguri's effort
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 10:06 GMT
Takuma Sato heaped praise on his Super Aguri team after completing their first public testing session in Barcelona on Tuesday.
The Japanese team, a last-minute entry for the 2006 championship, faced a race against time to start testing with their SA05 car, which is based on the 2002 Arrows A23.
After an initial shakedown in Great Britain, the Leafield-based squad made their first public outing yesterday.
The test was not without problems, however, as Sato first stopped on track after just three laps following a hydraulics failure. The Japanese driver then spun in the wet track, managing only eight laps on a day where the team were only aiming to check the car's systems.
Despite the difficult start, Sato believes the team's effort to get the car ready for the first test was praiseworthy.
"After all the effort put by the team, and the shakedown in the UK, it is so pleasing to be here," Sato told autosport.com at the end of his test.
"What I ran today is not the final package, so I really cannot say much about the feeling. Unfortunately the hydraulic pressure went down so I could not run as much as I would like have liked.
"Also the radio was not working properly. I could hear but they could not hear me, so it was a systems check. I saw how it was with the brakes and also with the steering. The team has some experienced people but it is still fairly new.
"I would like to give a big applause to the team for having run today."
The team will start the season with their current car, revised to meet 2006 regulations, but plan to introduce their own SA06 once the championship reaches Europe. It is believed the car could be ready for the Spanish Grand Prix, the fifth round of the championship, at the earliest.
With that in mind, Sato is under no illusions for the start of the year.
"It will be very hard," Sato added. "The 2006 package is not ready yet, this car was built in such a short space of time so the performance is not expected to be so good, so I really look forward to the new car."
Sato, who was left without a drive after parting ways with the BAR team last year, will race alongside compatriot Yuji Ide, who is making his debut at the wheel of a Formula One car today.
Sato backed Super Aguri's decision to sign two Japanese drivers.
"As far as Ide is concerned, we have never raced together," said Sato. "It is quite a nice idea to have a pairing of Japanese drivers, although he will have to learn some tracks this year, which may not be so easy."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Schumacher plays down Ferrari's problems
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 10:31 GMT
Former World Champion Michael Schumacher has played down Ferrari's problems during testing at the Bahrain circuit.
The team's progress with their new car, the 248 F1, was hindered by reliability problems during some of the eight days of the Sakhir test.
Schumacher admitted he did not complete the mileage he would have hoped for, but claimed Ferrari have found solutions to all their problems and is encouraged about the car's pace.
"They have been long and useful tests which didn't lack problems, as it happens to many teams at this time," Schumacher told Gazzetta dello Sport. "The aspect I liked the most? The fact that each failure has been understood and isn't mysterious anymore.
"Everything has been cleared and overcome. I would have liked to do a few more kilometres, but the laptimes obtained in the last two days have compensated for that.
"We'll be back in just over two weeks' time with the car properly set up, the best tyres already chosen and the engine in order. It's a good situation, also because, besides having solved the problems, from the laptimes you can see we have a chassis, engine and tyres package superior to last year's. We count on exploiting it well."
Ferrari will return to testing action at the Mugello circuit next Monday.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Imola revamp project making progress
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 11:43 GMT
The proposed changes to the Imola circuit were presented yesterday by German track architect Hermann Tilke at the Imola town hall, as the circuit moves closer to being revamped.
The track, host of the San Marino Grand Prix, is set to be updated in a 10 million euro project supported by the Italian government. Only five of the ten million will come from the government, however, with the rest of the funds coming from Sagis, the group which operates the circuit. Five more million euros have been allocated by the government in order to improve the access roads to the circuit.
Tilke is expected to draw up the preliminary project by April, while the definitive one will be ready in June.
The plan could see the circuit becoming much faster thanks to a proposed straightening of its Variante Bassa chicane. A new, larger paddock space and improved facilities are also included in the project.
The Agip grandstand next to the Variante Bassa will be demolished to allow the construction of 30 new pits with hospitality on top. The old garages will be rebuilt to constitute the new media centre.
The plan has received the approval of Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone, according to Gazzetta dello Sport.
"It's an interesting project, which has already had the all clear by the FIA, and is part of the objectives stated by a Government's decree which allocates ten million euros for it," said Imola mayor Massimo Marchignoli.
"The works will have to end within six months, in time for the F1 Grand Prix next year."
Imola will host this year's San Marino Grand Prix on 24th April.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Super Aguri to use revised aero package
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 11:27 GMT
The Super Aguri team plan to introduce a revised aerodynamic package for their SA05 car following this week's public testing debut at Barcelona, autosport.com has learned.
The Honda-powered squad are testing the SA05, based on an old Arrows chassis, in order to check the systems in what is their first public outing.
The car is running with an old aerodynamic package that autosport.com understands does not comply with the 2006 regulations.
But technical director Mark Preston revealed the team will test a revised bodywork next week at the Silverstone circuit, adding that only the current car's mechanical and electronic systems will be used in the first race in Bahrain.
"The systems car that we are running in Barcelona this week during our test does not have the definitive 2006 bodywork, this will be released at Silverstone next week," Preston said. "The systems car is exactly that, a systems car.
"It is running the full mechanical and electronic specification that will be taken to Bahrain. This gives us the maximum time in the wind tunnel to work on downforce."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Sato praises Super Aguri's effort
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 10:06 GMT
Takuma Sato heaped praise on his Super Aguri team after completing their first public testing session in Barcelona on Tuesday.
The Japanese team, a last-minute entry for the 2006 championship, faced a race against time to start testing with their SA05 car, which is based on the 2002 Arrows A23.
After an initial shakedown in Great Britain, the Leafield-based squad made their first public outing yesterday.
The test was not without problems, however, as Sato first stopped on track after just three laps following a hydraulics failure. The Japanese driver then spun in the wet track, managing only eight laps on a day where the team were only aiming to check the car's systems.
Despite the difficult start, Sato believes the team's effort to get the car ready for the first test was praiseworthy.
"After all the effort put by the team, and the shakedown in the UK, it is so pleasing to be here," Sato told autosport.com at the end of his test.
"What I ran today is not the final package, so I really cannot say much about the feeling. Unfortunately the hydraulic pressure went down so I could not run as much as I would like have liked.
"Also the radio was not working properly. I could hear but they could not hear me, so it was a systems check. I saw how it was with the brakes and also with the steering. The team has some experienced people but it is still fairly new.
"I would like to give a big applause to the team for having run today."
The team will start the season with their current car, revised to meet 2006 regulations, but plan to introduce their own SA06 once the championship reaches Europe. It is believed the car could be ready for the Spanish Grand Prix, the fifth round of the championship, at the earliest.
With that in mind, Sato is under no illusions for the start of the year.
"It will be very hard," Sato added. "The 2006 package is not ready yet, this car was built in such a short space of time so the performance is not expected to be so good, so I really look forward to the new car."
Sato, who was left without a drive after parting ways with the BAR team last year, will race alongside compatriot Yuji Ide, who is making his debut at the wheel of a Formula One car today.
Sato backed Super Aguri's decision to sign two Japanese drivers.
"As far as Ide is concerned, we have never raced together," said Sato. "It is quite a nice idea to have a pairing of Japanese drivers, although he will have to learn some tracks this year, which may not be so easy."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Schumacher plays down Ferrari's problems
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 10:31 GMT
Former World Champion Michael Schumacher has played down Ferrari's problems during testing at the Bahrain circuit.
The team's progress with their new car, the 248 F1, was hindered by reliability problems during some of the eight days of the Sakhir test.
Schumacher admitted he did not complete the mileage he would have hoped for, but claimed Ferrari have found solutions to all their problems and is encouraged about the car's pace.
"They have been long and useful tests which didn't lack problems, as it happens to many teams at this time," Schumacher told Gazzetta dello Sport. "The aspect I liked the most? The fact that each failure has been understood and isn't mysterious anymore.
"Everything has been cleared and overcome. I would have liked to do a few more kilometres, but the laptimes obtained in the last two days have compensated for that.
"We'll be back in just over two weeks' time with the car properly set up, the best tyres already chosen and the engine in order. It's a good situation, also because, besides having solved the problems, from the laptimes you can see we have a chassis, engine and tyres package superior to last year's. We count on exploiting it well."
Ferrari will return to testing action at the Mugello circuit next Monday.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Imola revamp project making progress
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 11:43 GMT
The proposed changes to the Imola circuit were presented yesterday by German track architect Hermann Tilke at the Imola town hall, as the circuit moves closer to being revamped.
The track, host of the San Marino Grand Prix, is set to be updated in a 10 million euro project supported by the Italian government. Only five of the ten million will come from the government, however, with the rest of the funds coming from Sagis, the group which operates the circuit. Five more million euros have been allocated by the government in order to improve the access roads to the circuit.
Tilke is expected to draw up the preliminary project by April, while the definitive one will be ready in June.
The plan could see the circuit becoming much faster thanks to a proposed straightening of its Variante Bassa chicane. A new, larger paddock space and improved facilities are also included in the project.
The Agip grandstand next to the Variante Bassa will be demolished to allow the construction of 30 new pits with hospitality on top. The old garages will be rebuilt to constitute the new media centre.
The plan has received the approval of Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone, according to Gazzetta dello Sport.
"It's an interesting project, which has already had the all clear by the FIA, and is part of the objectives stated by a Government's decree which allocates ten million euros for it," said Imola mayor Massimo Marchignoli.
"The works will have to end within six months, in time for the F1 Grand Prix next year."
Imola will host this year's San Marino Grand Prix on 24th April.
[/QUOTE]
| finnRex | 02-22-2006 09:59 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]No comment.[/QUOTE]
You're a good man, Kevin:). Just razzin'. If Montoya stays healthy, I think he can keep a fire lit under Kimi's @$$.
Mika
You're a good man, Kevin:). Just razzin'. If Montoya stays healthy, I think he can keep a fire lit under Kimi's @$$.
Mika
| REX8 | 02-22-2006 10:15 AM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]You're a good man, Kevin:). Just razzin'. If Montoya stays healthy, I think he can keep a fire lit under Kimi's @$$.
Mika[/QUOTE]
I think he's coming into his own this season. He's always been fast. Now he's on his best behavior and doing the things he should have been doing since day one. The guy doesn't get the same credit as Kimi.
When JPM drives from last to 2nd, it hardly gets mentioned... when Kimi does it, its all over speed-channel.
I think you'll see a heck of a battle this year if their cars hold together.
Mika[/QUOTE]
I think he's coming into his own this season. He's always been fast. Now he's on his best behavior and doing the things he should have been doing since day one. The guy doesn't get the same credit as Kimi.
When JPM drives from last to 2nd, it hardly gets mentioned... when Kimi does it, its all over speed-channel.
I think you'll see a heck of a battle this year if their cars hold together.
| artkevin | 02-22-2006 11:16 AM |
^^^ :banana:
Not only did he not get credit for an amazing drive but in the off season Mercedes blamed their not winning the championship on him throwing the car off in qualifying. He finsihed second and picked up 8 points to Fernando's 10. I don't have a clue how you can blame a whole championship on 2 points.
Not only did he not get credit for an amazing drive but in the off season Mercedes blamed their not winning the championship on him throwing the car off in qualifying. He finsihed second and picked up 8 points to Fernando's 10. I don't have a clue how you can blame a whole championship on 2 points.
| Ferg | 02-22-2006 12:08 PM |
Barcelona, Day Two
[QUOTE]Raikkonen on top at Barcelona
Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 17:02 GMT
The battle for winter testing supremacy continued to intensify on Wednesday as the Renault, Honda and McLaren teams battled at the top of the times at Barcelona.
Fifteen drivers and eight of the 11 teams were on track today, with the weather allowing for a full day of work following yesterday's rain despite the track being damp initially.
In the end it was Kimi Raikkonen in the McLaren-Mercedes MP4-21 who, with a last-minute flying lap, jumped to the top of the times to beat his Renault rivals Giancarlo Fisichella and Fernando Alonso, second and third quickest respectively.
The Renault duo had a productive day despite a shaky start, with first Alonso and then Fisichella stopping on track on their first laps. Between them they covered over 180 laps in the R26 cars, the Italian finishing as second quickest, over two tenths behind Raikkonen.
Jenson Button in the Honda finished fourth quickest and as the only other driver to lap the Spanish circuit in less than 66 seconds. The Briton outpaced his teammate Rubens Barrichello, seventh quickest in the second RA106 car from the Japanese squad.
The Toyota team kicked off their testing programme for the week with both Jarno Trulli and Ralf Schumacher working with the revised TF106.
The car, which tested in private for the first time last week at Vallelunga, was having its first outing against rivals. Trulli was the fastest of the Toyota duo, finishing nearly a second behind Raikkonen.
Christian Klien and David Coulthard took over from Red Bull's test driver Robert Doornbos, testing in the two cars they will race at the Bahrain Grand Prix in over two weeks time.
The team's running, however, was very restricted, with Klien completing 35 laps and Coulthard only 12.
Mark Webber, quickest yesterday, finished only 11th today in the first of the Williams FW28 while his teammate Nico Rosberg covered just two laps and didn't set a time.
The Midland team continued working with their MF16 chassis, with both racing drivers Christijan Albers and Tiago Monteiro carrying out testing duties.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:15.223 96
2. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:15.500 92
3. Alonso Renault (M) 1:15.801 93
4. Button Honda (M) 1:15.969 88
5. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:16.193 93
6. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:16.381 47
7. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:16.486 66
8. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:16.538 87
9. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.927 35
10. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:18.212 12
11. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:18.265 88
12. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:19.300 28
13. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:20.381 35
14. Ide Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:24.455 43
15. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) no time 2
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Raikkonen on top at Barcelona
Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 17:02 GMT
The battle for winter testing supremacy continued to intensify on Wednesday as the Renault, Honda and McLaren teams battled at the top of the times at Barcelona.
Fifteen drivers and eight of the 11 teams were on track today, with the weather allowing for a full day of work following yesterday's rain despite the track being damp initially.
In the end it was Kimi Raikkonen in the McLaren-Mercedes MP4-21 who, with a last-minute flying lap, jumped to the top of the times to beat his Renault rivals Giancarlo Fisichella and Fernando Alonso, second and third quickest respectively.
The Renault duo had a productive day despite a shaky start, with first Alonso and then Fisichella stopping on track on their first laps. Between them they covered over 180 laps in the R26 cars, the Italian finishing as second quickest, over two tenths behind Raikkonen.
Jenson Button in the Honda finished fourth quickest and as the only other driver to lap the Spanish circuit in less than 66 seconds. The Briton outpaced his teammate Rubens Barrichello, seventh quickest in the second RA106 car from the Japanese squad.
The Toyota team kicked off their testing programme for the week with both Jarno Trulli and Ralf Schumacher working with the revised TF106.
The car, which tested in private for the first time last week at Vallelunga, was having its first outing against rivals. Trulli was the fastest of the Toyota duo, finishing nearly a second behind Raikkonen.
Christian Klien and David Coulthard took over from Red Bull's test driver Robert Doornbos, testing in the two cars they will race at the Bahrain Grand Prix in over two weeks time.
The team's running, however, was very restricted, with Klien completing 35 laps and Coulthard only 12.
Mark Webber, quickest yesterday, finished only 11th today in the first of the Williams FW28 while his teammate Nico Rosberg covered just two laps and didn't set a time.
The Midland team continued working with their MF16 chassis, with both racing drivers Christijan Albers and Tiago Monteiro carrying out testing duties.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:15.223 96
2. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:15.500 92
3. Alonso Renault (M) 1:15.801 93
4. Button Honda (M) 1:15.969 88
5. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:16.193 93
6. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:16.381 47
7. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:16.486 66
8. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:16.538 87
9. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.927 35
10. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:18.212 12
11. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:18.265 88
12. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:19.300 28
13. Monteiro MF1-Toyota (B) 1:20.381 35
14. Ide Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:24.455 43
15. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) no time 2
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 02-22-2006 12:53 PM |
Where are BMW-Sauber and Toro Rosso you ask? Testing at Imola of course!
[QUOTE]Rain hinders Imola test
Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 17:41 GMT
Poor weather continued to hamper the progress of the Toro Ross and BMW teams in testing at the Imola circuit.
For the second consecutive day, Toro Rosso's testing pretty much wiped out by very heavy rain, while BMW, who joined the test today, were also affected by the poor conditions.
Today was the first day Toro Rosso had two cars on track, with Tonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed at the wheel of the new STR1 chassis.
Liuzzi was the quickest driver today after 48 laps as his team worked on pitstop practice due to the poor conditions.
"The conditions were worse than yesterday," said Toro Rosso's Chief Engineer Laurent Mekies. "So we decided to devote the entire day to sharpening up our pitstop practice with both drivers.
"It all went smoothly and now tomorrow's programme is in the hands of the weather gods."
Canadian Jacques Villeneuve was second quickest for the BMW team, who were also unable to carry out their scheduled programme. Therefore, the team concentrated on start practices and system checks.
Villeneuve worked alongside test driver Robert Kubica, third quickest today.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:29.087 48
2. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:30.804 57
3. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:32.553 26
4. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:33.410 44
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Rain hinders Imola test
Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 17:41 GMT
Poor weather continued to hamper the progress of the Toro Ross and BMW teams in testing at the Imola circuit.
For the second consecutive day, Toro Rosso's testing pretty much wiped out by very heavy rain, while BMW, who joined the test today, were also affected by the poor conditions.
Today was the first day Toro Rosso had two cars on track, with Tonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed at the wheel of the new STR1 chassis.
Liuzzi was the quickest driver today after 48 laps as his team worked on pitstop practice due to the poor conditions.
"The conditions were worse than yesterday," said Toro Rosso's Chief Engineer Laurent Mekies. "So we decided to devote the entire day to sharpening up our pitstop practice with both drivers.
"It all went smoothly and now tomorrow's programme is in the hands of the weather gods."
Canadian Jacques Villeneuve was second quickest for the BMW team, who were also unable to carry out their scheduled programme. Therefore, the team concentrated on start practices and system checks.
Villeneuve worked alongside test driver Robert Kubica, third quickest today.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:29.087 48
2. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:30.804 57
3. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:32.553 26
4. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:33.410 44
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 02-22-2006 01:08 PM |
Words from the Penguin himself, Kimi Raikkonen.
[QUOTE]Raikkonen upbeat about McLaren form
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 18:02 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen was upbeat about the performance of his McLaren team after topping the times in testing at the Barcelona circuit.
The Finn driver posted the fastest time of the year so far in a V8 engine at the Spanish track as his team continued making progress following the engine problems which hindered them early on.
Today's test was the first time Raikkonen managed to complete more than a race distance without any problems. He completed 96 laps.
The McLaren driver was very happy with his day and admitted he feels confident the team are going in the right direction.
"It is definitely looking better than a few weeks ago," Raikkonen told autosport.com at the end of the day. "It is hard to say exactly where we are, but for once I did two race distances and the engine was still going.
"I think it's a good car. It's better than last year. It's difficult to compare because of the different engine and aero level but is quicker. We have to see where we car in Bahrain.
"We still have a lot of work to do, but I'm happier now we have done race distances and it's nice to see myself being quick in the short and long runs.
"We are definitely going in the right way."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Raikkonen upbeat about McLaren form
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 22nd 2006, 18:02 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen was upbeat about the performance of his McLaren team after topping the times in testing at the Barcelona circuit.
The Finn driver posted the fastest time of the year so far in a V8 engine at the Spanish track as his team continued making progress following the engine problems which hindered them early on.
Today's test was the first time Raikkonen managed to complete more than a race distance without any problems. He completed 96 laps.
The McLaren driver was very happy with his day and admitted he feels confident the team are going in the right direction.
"It is definitely looking better than a few weeks ago," Raikkonen told autosport.com at the end of the day. "It is hard to say exactly where we are, but for once I did two race distances and the engine was still going.
"I think it's a good car. It's better than last year. It's difficult to compare because of the different engine and aero level but is quicker. We have to see where we car in Bahrain.
"We still have a lot of work to do, but I'm happier now we have done race distances and it's nice to see myself being quick in the short and long runs.
"We are definitely going in the right way."[/QUOTE]
| finnRex | 02-22-2006 03:01 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]^^^ :banana:
Not only did he not get credit for an amazing drive but in the off season Mercedes blamed their not winning the championship on him throwing the car off in qualifying. He finsihed second and picked up 8 points to Fernando's 10. I don't have a clue how you can blame a whole championship on 2 points.[/QUOTE]
Montoya messed up during qualifying, no doubt. I wouldn't put the blame on his shoulders for losing the constructors championship. BUT, I will put the blame on him for missing 3(or was it 4?) races during the season. One thing teams need is consistency. One driver's understeer is another's oversteer, if that makes sense. The 20 was coming around the corner, but wasn't completely around, and with Montoya's input(and his driving abilities) the Benzo could have gotten the constructors.
I think Juan will get credit when he starts racing and pushing his own limits, thus pressuring MS(if he's still at the front), Alonso, and Kimi.
Rex8, I give Kevin a hard time about being a JPM fan. But he knows I'm kidding(I hope he does). I still feel that Montoya has some growing up to do. Not to say that Kimi's tantrums and drunk-capades are very adultlike either;).
Mika
Not only did he not get credit for an amazing drive but in the off season Mercedes blamed their not winning the championship on him throwing the car off in qualifying. He finsihed second and picked up 8 points to Fernando's 10. I don't have a clue how you can blame a whole championship on 2 points.[/QUOTE]
Montoya messed up during qualifying, no doubt. I wouldn't put the blame on his shoulders for losing the constructors championship. BUT, I will put the blame on him for missing 3(or was it 4?) races during the season. One thing teams need is consistency. One driver's understeer is another's oversteer, if that makes sense. The 20 was coming around the corner, but wasn't completely around, and with Montoya's input(and his driving abilities) the Benzo could have gotten the constructors.
I think Juan will get credit when he starts racing and pushing his own limits, thus pressuring MS(if he's still at the front), Alonso, and Kimi.
Rex8, I give Kevin a hard time about being a JPM fan. But he knows I'm kidding(I hope he does). I still feel that Montoya has some growing up to do. Not to say that Kimi's tantrums and drunk-capades are very adultlike either;).
Mika
| artkevin | 02-22-2006 03:36 PM |
I know you are mostly kidding Mika. Its all good. And like I have said before, everyone here is completely entitled to like, dislike, or hate any driver they want. Thats part of what makes this board so fun is hearing each other's opinions. At the end of the day I get the feeling that all of us really just want good racing more then driver A or B to win.
| enduroshark | 02-22-2006 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]haha yes.
Everyone is desperate to take a win... but the question I'm posing is, whether or not he will win with class. That's what I'm wondering about.[/QUOTE]
Well, depends on if you ask Damon Hill and Jaques Villenueve or not.
:lol:
Everyone is desperate to take a win... but the question I'm posing is, whether or not he will win with class. That's what I'm wondering about.[/QUOTE]
Well, depends on if you ask Damon Hill and Jaques Villenueve or not.
:lol:
| StuBeck | 02-22-2006 04:27 PM |
I can tell you I do not want Ralf Schumacher to win :D
Super Aguri seems to be doing somewhat decent. 9 seconds off the pace with an older car. Yes, it is illegal, but it is a patch job if there were any (any pics of the car by any chance to see if the bolt on parts are now legal?) It does at least seem like they're serious about it, and Ide's time is also good considering I don't know if he has ever done any laps in an F1 car.
Super Aguri seems to be doing somewhat decent. 9 seconds off the pace with an older car. Yes, it is illegal, but it is a patch job if there were any (any pics of the car by any chance to see if the bolt on parts are now legal?) It does at least seem like they're serious about it, and Ide's time is also good considering I don't know if he has ever done any laps in an F1 car.
| finnRex | 02-22-2006 08:49 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I know you are mostly kidding Mika. Its all good. And like I have said before, everyone here is completely entitled to like, dislike, or hate any driver they want. Thats part of what makes this board so fun is hearing each other's opinions. At the end of the day I get the feeling that all of us really just want good racing more then driver A or B to win.[/QUOTE]
I really am kidding, 100%. I will say this though, as a Finn I would LOVE to see Kimi win. But, I don't want Montoya to get hurt or anything like that, that'd be some cold blooded ish. I do not agree with what Montoya did last year. I am not a betting man, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got his "tennis" injury on a dirtbike. That's just plain stupid. To have a multi million dollar contract and risk injury(be it temporary or permanent-heaven forbid) is pure stupidity. I didn't agree with his choice there, but that's his chioce. I really wish he would be a bit more consistent too, but last year was a rough year for him(team transition, said injury). And yes, he is not going to get favorite treatment from Ronnie boy, simply because he is yet to prove himself in a season's length. His teammate scored almost twice as many points in the same season, with the same car. His teammate is going to get treated better. He shows a lot of flashes of brilliance. Arrogant? Yes. Good driver? No doubt. But his weakness is consistency(MHO).
I am always down for a good race, no doubt. If that good race ends up with Kimi crossing the finish line first, all the better for me :alien: .
Now your boy Sato, different story... :lol:
Mika
I really am kidding, 100%. I will say this though, as a Finn I would LOVE to see Kimi win. But, I don't want Montoya to get hurt or anything like that, that'd be some cold blooded ish. I do not agree with what Montoya did last year. I am not a betting man, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got his "tennis" injury on a dirtbike. That's just plain stupid. To have a multi million dollar contract and risk injury(be it temporary or permanent-heaven forbid) is pure stupidity. I didn't agree with his choice there, but that's his chioce. I really wish he would be a bit more consistent too, but last year was a rough year for him(team transition, said injury). And yes, he is not going to get favorite treatment from Ronnie boy, simply because he is yet to prove himself in a season's length. His teammate scored almost twice as many points in the same season, with the same car. His teammate is going to get treated better. He shows a lot of flashes of brilliance. Arrogant? Yes. Good driver? No doubt. But his weakness is consistency(MHO).
I am always down for a good race, no doubt. If that good race ends up with Kimi crossing the finish line first, all the better for me :alien: .
Now your boy Sato, different story... :lol:
Mika
| artkevin | 02-22-2006 09:26 PM |
I have seen plenty of McLaren footage of your boy Kimi playing ice hockey with the Finnish National team, snowboarding and riding a dirt bike. I don't think JPM's choice to ride a dirt bike, if that is what he was doing, is that far out of the bounds of reason. Pretty much all the F1 guys do high risk sports in their off time. You can jack yourself up pretty good in hockey, tennis, dirt biking, mountain biking, surfing, futbal, so on and so on. I mean Hiedfeld knocked himself out of the last few races riding a bike around his neighborhood.
| Ferg | 02-23-2006 10:11 AM |
Rubens feeling very confident.
[QUOTE]Barrichello: Honda and Renault on par
By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 12:40 GMT
Rubens Barrichello believes McLaren have made a big step forward in recent weeks, but the Brazilian reckons his Honda team and rivals Renault are on top at the moment.
"Definitely McLaren made a jump and at the moment I think we are on a par with Renault," Barrichello told autosport.com during testing at Barcelona. "Some circuits they are better and some we are better, it depends on the track.
"The balance of the car is good, we are still trying out aero. It's almost final but I think I have a wing to try out. This car is very easy to drive and it is very quick, it is a good car.
"We made a big jump in the Bahrain test, it was one of the best things we have done," added Barrichello, refering to last week's test at Sakhir, home of the first race of the season in over two weeks time.
Honda and Renault have been the pace-setters during most of winter testing, with McLaren now looking very fast after having worked on solving their engine problems.
Kimi Raikkonen set the fastest time of the year in testing at Barcelona yesterday, although Renault's Fernando Alonso went even faster this morning and even beat last year's pole position time in his V8-engined R26.
Barrichello's Honda team have also been close to the top of the times.
"We are very well prepared for this coming season, and Jenson [Button] was quite happy too. On the same tyres we were doing the same time, we are pretty well matched so it will be fun.
"We will be on top of the game," said the Brazilian. "Okay, sometimes we have bad days but then good days too."
Barrichello, who joined Honda after six seasons with the Ferrari team, believes he has made the right move.
"I think I have made the right change," he said. "We are going forward together and I am quite pleased about that. I have given them (the team) as much as they have given me.
"The team has definitely made an effort: who can have two cars ready at the launch? It is incredible.
"If there was one car there would have be been a delay until I get in the car, so the team has done very very well, so for the season we are prepared but the competition is definitely hotting up."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]McLaren sure to shine in 2006
Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 11:14 GMT
McLaren may or may not have the fastest car on the grid come the Bahrain Grand Prix, but they are sure to have the brightest machine.
The MP4-21 will be the most distinctive of the 22 cars that will fill the grid this year, featuring a highly reflective chrome coating surface created after months of research.
"A lot of research and months of work have gone into creating this unique chrome finish," explained McLaren Marketing Managing Director Ekrem Sami after the team launched the new livery earlier this month.
"We are always looking at innovative ways to allow our sponsor partners to differentiate their brands from the competition through their partnership with the team, and this unique livery is designed to be extremely photogenic."
The idea, however, is not new, as the GD Racing team, who compete in the World Series by Renault, already introduced a chrome livery during the Zolder race in May last year.
McLaren apparently took notice of the livery and contacted the company responsible for the design, Kaos Design.
The process employed to obtain the chrome effect is called Kaos-Krome and takes seven days of work.
To keep the weight down, the work is applied directly to the carbon fibre. Compared to a normal paint, this does away with the first basic layer of paint.
In this case, a catalyzed primer - a special paint made of resin and an exsiccation additive - is applied, which is then sandpapered to obtain the surface as smooth as possible.
Besides the aesthetic advantages, this way of painting the car guarantees the same resistance as normal paint, can be treated in the same way as far as applying other colours or stickers on top of it is concerned, and keeps a cool temperature under the sun too.
The weight is the same as normal paint.
The chrome coating, however, costs 40% more than normal painting and it is impossible to re-touch.
One thing is certain, though: fast or not, McLaren are sure to shine this season.
[/QUOTE]
Testing reports from Barcelona and Imola later today.
:D
[QUOTE]Barrichello: Honda and Renault on par
By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 12:40 GMT
Rubens Barrichello believes McLaren have made a big step forward in recent weeks, but the Brazilian reckons his Honda team and rivals Renault are on top at the moment.
"Definitely McLaren made a jump and at the moment I think we are on a par with Renault," Barrichello told autosport.com during testing at Barcelona. "Some circuits they are better and some we are better, it depends on the track.
"The balance of the car is good, we are still trying out aero. It's almost final but I think I have a wing to try out. This car is very easy to drive and it is very quick, it is a good car.
"We made a big jump in the Bahrain test, it was one of the best things we have done," added Barrichello, refering to last week's test at Sakhir, home of the first race of the season in over two weeks time.
Honda and Renault have been the pace-setters during most of winter testing, with McLaren now looking very fast after having worked on solving their engine problems.
Kimi Raikkonen set the fastest time of the year in testing at Barcelona yesterday, although Renault's Fernando Alonso went even faster this morning and even beat last year's pole position time in his V8-engined R26.
Barrichello's Honda team have also been close to the top of the times.
"We are very well prepared for this coming season, and Jenson [Button] was quite happy too. On the same tyres we were doing the same time, we are pretty well matched so it will be fun.
"We will be on top of the game," said the Brazilian. "Okay, sometimes we have bad days but then good days too."
Barrichello, who joined Honda after six seasons with the Ferrari team, believes he has made the right move.
"I think I have made the right change," he said. "We are going forward together and I am quite pleased about that. I have given them (the team) as much as they have given me.
"The team has definitely made an effort: who can have two cars ready at the launch? It is incredible.
"If there was one car there would have be been a delay until I get in the car, so the team has done very very well, so for the season we are prepared but the competition is definitely hotting up."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]McLaren sure to shine in 2006
Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 11:14 GMT
McLaren may or may not have the fastest car on the grid come the Bahrain Grand Prix, but they are sure to have the brightest machine.
The MP4-21 will be the most distinctive of the 22 cars that will fill the grid this year, featuring a highly reflective chrome coating surface created after months of research.
"A lot of research and months of work have gone into creating this unique chrome finish," explained McLaren Marketing Managing Director Ekrem Sami after the team launched the new livery earlier this month.
"We are always looking at innovative ways to allow our sponsor partners to differentiate their brands from the competition through their partnership with the team, and this unique livery is designed to be extremely photogenic."
The idea, however, is not new, as the GD Racing team, who compete in the World Series by Renault, already introduced a chrome livery during the Zolder race in May last year.
McLaren apparently took notice of the livery and contacted the company responsible for the design, Kaos Design.
The process employed to obtain the chrome effect is called Kaos-Krome and takes seven days of work.
To keep the weight down, the work is applied directly to the carbon fibre. Compared to a normal paint, this does away with the first basic layer of paint.
In this case, a catalyzed primer - a special paint made of resin and an exsiccation additive - is applied, which is then sandpapered to obtain the surface as smooth as possible.
Besides the aesthetic advantages, this way of painting the car guarantees the same resistance as normal paint, can be treated in the same way as far as applying other colours or stickers on top of it is concerned, and keeps a cool temperature under the sun too.
The weight is the same as normal paint.
The chrome coating, however, costs 40% more than normal painting and it is impossible to re-touch.
One thing is certain, though: fast or not, McLaren are sure to shine this season.
[/QUOTE]
Testing reports from Barcelona and Imola later today.
:D
| TimStevens | 02-23-2006 10:29 AM |
Has DC said this is his year yet? The season hasn't really started until DC says it's going to be his year.
| finnRex | 02-23-2006 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I have seen plenty of McLaren footage of your boy Kimi playing ice hockey with the Finnish National team, snowboarding and riding a dirt bike. I don't think JPM's choice to ride a dirt bike, if that is what he was doing, is that far out of the bounds of reason. Pretty much all the F1 guys do high risk sports in their off time. You can jack yourself up pretty good in hockey, tennis, dirt biking, mountain biking, surfing, futbal, so on and so on. I mean Hiedfeld knocked himself out of the last few races riding a bike around his neighborhood.[/QUOTE]
Did Kimi do it during the season though? I honestly don't know, so that's why I'm asking. It's one thing to do it during the off-season, and another to do it during the season.
Mika
Did Kimi do it during the season though? I honestly don't know, so that's why I'm asking. It's one thing to do it during the off-season, and another to do it during the season.
Mika
| Ferg | 02-23-2006 11:41 AM |
Button does the business at Barcelona.
[QUOTE]Button raises the bar at Barcelona
Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 16:28 GMT
Honda driver Jenson Button edged his Renault rivals on the third day of testing at the Barcelona circuit as the pace continued to increase at the top of the field.
Button completed a flying lap late in the session to finish with a best time of 1:13.935, just edging the Renaults of Giancarlo Fisichella and Fernando Alonso.
Button's time was nearly a whole second quicker than last year's pole position time at the Spanish Grand Prix, set by Toyota driver Jarno Trulli (1:14.795).
Button's lap was also the fastest of the year at the Spanish track, beating Kimi Raikkonen's time from yesterday by over a second.
However, rivals were left wondering what the McLaren driver could have achieved today after he was set to complete a qualifying run in the final minutes of the session.
The Finn, however, was unable to cover the lap when Ralf Schumacher's engine blew up on the main straight right at the end of the day, bringing the session to a close.
In the end it was Button on top with his Honda, followed by Fisichella, Fernando Alonso and Rubens Barrichello, all four of them setting their times on short, qualifying runs. Juan Pablo Montoya was fifth quickest in the second McLaren and also the busiest man on track with a massive 131 laps.
The top five drivers today completed over 600 laps between them. The Spanish Grand Prix is 66 laps long.
The day was dominated once again by the Michelin-shod cars, with Williams driver Nico Rosberg finishing as the quickest of the Bridgestone runners in sixth. The German was over 1.5 seconds off Button's pace in his Cosworth-powered FW28.
David Coulthard in the Red Bull RB2 was ninth fastest as the team again completed a lot less mileage than their rivals, despite being scheduled to carry out a race simulation.
Coulthard covered just 54 laps while teammate Christian Klien finished in 12th with one more lap done.
Dutchman Christijan Albers was the only Midland driver on track today after teammate Tiago Monteiro completed his work on Wednesday. Albers had a productive day and covered more than a Grand Prix distance to finish only ahead of the Super Aguri of Takuma Sato.
The new Formula One team made progress today and managed to cover 58 laps as they completed their programme of system checks. Sato finished less than six seconds off the pace, although the SA05 car is not fitted with the definite aero package to be used in 2006.
The team will test the revised bodywork at Silverstone next week.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Button Honda (M) 1:13.935 116
2. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:13.971 125
3. Alonso Renault (M) 1:13.977 113
4. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:14.266 119
5. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:14.588 131
6. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:15.475 80
7. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:15.774 83
8. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:15.973 97
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.034 54
10. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:16.057 103
11. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:16.128 97
12. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.923 55
13. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:17.142 79
14. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:19.787 58
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
16 days folks...time to start getting serious. :devil:
[QUOTE]Button raises the bar at Barcelona
Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 16:28 GMT
Honda driver Jenson Button edged his Renault rivals on the third day of testing at the Barcelona circuit as the pace continued to increase at the top of the field.
Button completed a flying lap late in the session to finish with a best time of 1:13.935, just edging the Renaults of Giancarlo Fisichella and Fernando Alonso.
Button's time was nearly a whole second quicker than last year's pole position time at the Spanish Grand Prix, set by Toyota driver Jarno Trulli (1:14.795).
Button's lap was also the fastest of the year at the Spanish track, beating Kimi Raikkonen's time from yesterday by over a second.
However, rivals were left wondering what the McLaren driver could have achieved today after he was set to complete a qualifying run in the final minutes of the session.
The Finn, however, was unable to cover the lap when Ralf Schumacher's engine blew up on the main straight right at the end of the day, bringing the session to a close.
In the end it was Button on top with his Honda, followed by Fisichella, Fernando Alonso and Rubens Barrichello, all four of them setting their times on short, qualifying runs. Juan Pablo Montoya was fifth quickest in the second McLaren and also the busiest man on track with a massive 131 laps.
The top five drivers today completed over 600 laps between them. The Spanish Grand Prix is 66 laps long.
The day was dominated once again by the Michelin-shod cars, with Williams driver Nico Rosberg finishing as the quickest of the Bridgestone runners in sixth. The German was over 1.5 seconds off Button's pace in his Cosworth-powered FW28.
David Coulthard in the Red Bull RB2 was ninth fastest as the team again completed a lot less mileage than their rivals, despite being scheduled to carry out a race simulation.
Coulthard covered just 54 laps while teammate Christian Klien finished in 12th with one more lap done.
Dutchman Christijan Albers was the only Midland driver on track today after teammate Tiago Monteiro completed his work on Wednesday. Albers had a productive day and covered more than a Grand Prix distance to finish only ahead of the Super Aguri of Takuma Sato.
The new Formula One team made progress today and managed to cover 58 laps as they completed their programme of system checks. Sato finished less than six seconds off the pace, although the SA05 car is not fitted with the definite aero package to be used in 2006.
The team will test the revised bodywork at Silverstone next week.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Button Honda (M) 1:13.935 116
2. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:13.971 125
3. Alonso Renault (M) 1:13.977 113
4. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:14.266 119
5. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:14.588 131
6. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:15.475 80
7. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:15.774 83
8. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:15.973 97
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.034 54
10. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:16.057 103
11. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:16.128 97
12. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:16.923 55
13. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:17.142 79
14. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:19.787 58
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
16 days folks...time to start getting serious. :devil:
| Ferg | 02-23-2006 12:48 PM |
Imola testing...
[QUOTE]Rain thwarts BMW, Toro Rosso at Imola
Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 17:26 GMT
A heavy rain once again thwarted the BMW and Toro Rosso teams in testing at the Imola circuit.
Although the rain stopped at times during the day, the track was very wet in the morning and didn't dry up in the afternoon.
While the Toro Rosso team decided to call it a day earlier, BMW did the best they could under the circumstances and carried out a full programme.
In the morning, Jacques Villeneuve and Robert Kubica did long-runs on extreme wet tyres and in the afternoon they tested intermediates. Villeneuve covered a total of 92 laps and finished ahead of Kubica.
Toro Rosso cut their scheduled programme back to just one car for Scott Speed, who again practiced pitstops, completing 34 laps.
"Looking at the bad conditions, we took the decision to continue with pitstop practice," said chief engineer Laurent Mekies. "It was pretty much our only option and with around 20 pit stops completed, the crew have really sharpened their skills."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:30.866 92
2. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:31.939 86
3. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:38.290 34
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Rain thwarts BMW, Toro Rosso at Imola
Thursday, February 23rd 2006, 17:26 GMT
A heavy rain once again thwarted the BMW and Toro Rosso teams in testing at the Imola circuit.
Although the rain stopped at times during the day, the track was very wet in the morning and didn't dry up in the afternoon.
While the Toro Rosso team decided to call it a day earlier, BMW did the best they could under the circumstances and carried out a full programme.
In the morning, Jacques Villeneuve and Robert Kubica did long-runs on extreme wet tyres and in the afternoon they tested intermediates. Villeneuve covered a total of 92 laps and finished ahead of Kubica.
Toro Rosso cut their scheduled programme back to just one car for Scott Speed, who again practiced pitstops, completing 34 laps.
"Looking at the bad conditions, we took the decision to continue with pitstop practice," said chief engineer Laurent Mekies. "It was pretty much our only option and with around 20 pit stops completed, the crew have really sharpened their skills."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Villeneuve BMW-Sauber (M) 1:30.866 92
2. Kubica BMW-Sauber (M) 1:31.939 86
3. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:38.290 34
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 02-23-2006 01:49 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]Has DC said this is his year yet? The season hasn't really started until DC says it's going to be his year.[/QUOTE]
They had a "lets dispell the rumors" article in F1 racing last year, I think in realitiy he never said it was going to be his year any year.
They had a "lets dispell the rumors" article in F1 racing last year, I think in realitiy he never said it was going to be his year any year.
| TimStevens | 02-23-2006 01:58 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]They had a "lets dispell the rumors" article in F1 racing last year, I think in realitiy he never said it was going to be his year any year.[/QUOTE]
Never those words, but I do remember "this could by my year" kinda quotes more than once from him.
<-- DC fan
Never those words, but I do remember "this could by my year" kinda quotes more than once from him.
<-- DC fan
| bitterWRX | 02-23-2006 02:47 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]Has DC said this is his year yet? The season hasn't really started until DC says it's going to be his year.[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact yes. :lol:
Shortly after the end of the 05 season... he made his yearly statement. I think sometime in October or so. Read it on a F1 news website.
As a matter of fact yes. :lol:
Shortly after the end of the 05 season... he made his yearly statement. I think sometime in October or so. Read it on a F1 news website.
| artkevin | 02-23-2006 02:51 PM |
JoD pointed this out to me but I can only find one pic of it. It seems as though the McLaren has sprouted gills a la Renault.
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/56179.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/56179.jpg[/IMG]
| Braz | 02-23-2006 02:58 PM |
I'm really starting to get excited. And I am glad to see those times from Sato. He even covered almost a GP distance.
| jpsimon | 02-23-2006 05:49 PM |
some photos from f1-live
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/mclaren1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/mclaren2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda4.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/mclaren1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/mclaren2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://jonahsimon.com/public_photo/f1live/lowres/honda4.jpg[/img]
| JoD | 02-23-2006 06:59 PM |
Love those pics of Kimi, jpsimon! Thanks for sharing!! :D
| StuBeck | 02-23-2006 07:58 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens]Never those words, but I do remember "this could by my year" kinda quotes more than once from him.
<-- DC fan[/QUOTE]
Yea, I think he said it in 01 and 02...but not EVERY year like people state. Thsi year what he said is it could be the year that RBR gets its first win.
<-- DC fan[/QUOTE]
Yea, I think he said it in 01 and 02...but not EVERY year like people state. Thsi year what he said is it could be the year that RBR gets its first win.
| Ferg | 02-23-2006 09:25 PM |
Here's anice write up on the Toro Rosso STR01 and how it's not quite a worked over RB01.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/56449670/large.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE]Tech analysis: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR01
Between the restricted V10 engine and the RB1-lookalike chassis, Scuderia Toro Rosso's 2006 car has made a controversial debut in testing this month. Craig Scarborough takes a closer look at the STR01
By Craig Scarborough
autosport.com's technical writer
To those who have been involved in Formula One for many years, this is a new team rather than the Minardi team that were both loved and hated for their low budget approach to F1. Red Bull purchased the struggling Minardi team from Paul Stoddart and have made moves for the team to be the Red Bull "junior" team.
So far, the old Minardi chassis has been dropped for a "new" car driven by the young Red Bull drivers and managed out of the old Minardi base in Faenza, Italy. Longer term, the two Red Bull owned teams are expected to share a common facility in England, although they will have their own design teams.
With the decision to drop the Minardi chassis, Scuderia Toro Rosso have been running a Red Bull RB1 chassis. This made sense for two reasons: the team had access to a car for which they had all the data and a known level of performance. Plus, the team had inherited the Cosworth V10 engine supply.
However, the team still needed to build their own car in the short space of time allowed by the late purchase of Minardi. Currently the rules demand that the teams own the intellectual property of their car. This is a grey area, as most spectators understand this to mean the team must design and make their own car. As with any rule, however, it can be interpreted in different ways.
Toro Rosso's approach has been aided by how Red Bull and Jaguar before them made their car. Neither team designed and made the entire car. Large parts and assemblies were farmed out the third parties, contracted to design and make the parts. Under the rules, this means the teams own the intellectual property of the designs. Thus, it could be said that the Red Bull RB1 was a kit car, built from bits from other sources, contractors doing a lot of the work under direction from Red Bull.
Fortunately Red Bull's British base places them in an area full of specialist contractors, many run and staffed by ex-F1 designers and engineers.
Under this set-up, Toro Rosso now own the intellectual property and have assigned contractors to make the parts. As long as no parts come from Red Bull's parts bin, then the new car will be legal.
This is why the new car appears to be a revised RB1; the central core of the car is made up for the team, leaving them to run a development programme to update the car with new parts.
With so much of the car being a facsimile of the RB1 and retaining the same engine, it is better to focus on what's changed.
Visual changes are mainly in the sidepods and the engine cover, plus the engine air inlet was revised for the restrictor that is needed to run on the V10. Under the skin, changes would have had to be made to suit the tyre change regulations, revised crash tests, and the differing power delivery of the restricted V10.
As with the rest of the field, the sidepod fronts are now lightly undercut, the shape necessitating a large bulge workaround side impact spar at floor level, again suggesting the car's roots are in the RB1.
The rest of the sidepods follow the RB1 shape, although the fairings around the gearbox have been revised to expose the top half of the pipe. Also changed is the shape of the engine cover, which has a different undercut at the tail of the cover.
With the car having to be fitted with both a restrictor plate and a rev limiter, the former requires a change to the roll structure area. The test car appeared with a simple blanking plate with a removable restrictor bolted to the middle, but the larger snorkel required by the unrestricted V10 made the design less efficient in restricted form. So the snorkel area has now been revised with a smaller and more rounded inlet, leaving less space around the restrictor.
Along with the car's design heritage, the restricted V10 has also caused concern around the pitlane. As the V8 rules were defined when Paul Stoddart was still running the team, there was a concession to allow teams without the financial ability to pay for a V8 engine supply to run a V10 engine with an air and rev restriction.
Toro Rosso inherited this engine supply and have been allowed run it in 2006. However, the spirit of the rule was to help cash-strapped Minardi, no one feared them with a slight engine advantage, which is not the case now, with the better resourced Red Bull-owned Toro Rosso.
The restriction was agreed on at the Technical Working Group, which mandated a flat-plate air restrictor of 77mm diameter allied to a rev limit of 16,700rpm. Nonetheless, many people believe that despite the restriction the engine will have an advantage at some tracks, believing the restriction will allow a good torque curve compared to the V8 engines, providing advantages in acceleration and at the start.
According to Cosworth, the sharp-edged restrictor produces losses not only at peak revs but all the way along the power curve due to the way the air is disrupted through the plate.
Due to this, Cosworth believe the equivalence is more accurate than the restrictor affecting only higher revs as some believe. In fairness, their V8 engine has proven to be very strong power wise in testing and it is this engine they have been using to compare with the restricted V10.
Cosworth believe the engines should be comparable to the V8 in terms of power delivery and peak power. If some teams have a weaker v8 than Cosworth then they might be struggling against their restricted V10 as well.
The FIA has maintained that should the V10 prove to hold an advantage, then it can be further restricted with smaller restrictor plates and/or lower rev limits. Should Toro Rosso prove to be too competitive, then protests and action from the FIA could be forthcoming.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Tech analysis: Scuderia Toro Rosso STR01
Between the restricted V10 engine and the RB1-lookalike chassis, Scuderia Toro Rosso's 2006 car has made a controversial debut in testing this month. Craig Scarborough takes a closer look at the STR01
By Craig Scarborough
autosport.com's technical writer
To those who have been involved in Formula One for many years, this is a new team rather than the Minardi team that were both loved and hated for their low budget approach to F1. Red Bull purchased the struggling Minardi team from Paul Stoddart and have made moves for the team to be the Red Bull "junior" team.
So far, the old Minardi chassis has been dropped for a "new" car driven by the young Red Bull drivers and managed out of the old Minardi base in Faenza, Italy. Longer term, the two Red Bull owned teams are expected to share a common facility in England, although they will have their own design teams.
With the decision to drop the Minardi chassis, Scuderia Toro Rosso have been running a Red Bull RB1 chassis. This made sense for two reasons: the team had access to a car for which they had all the data and a known level of performance. Plus, the team had inherited the Cosworth V10 engine supply.
However, the team still needed to build their own car in the short space of time allowed by the late purchase of Minardi. Currently the rules demand that the teams own the intellectual property of their car. This is a grey area, as most spectators understand this to mean the team must design and make their own car. As with any rule, however, it can be interpreted in different ways.
Toro Rosso's approach has been aided by how Red Bull and Jaguar before them made their car. Neither team designed and made the entire car. Large parts and assemblies were farmed out the third parties, contracted to design and make the parts. Under the rules, this means the teams own the intellectual property of the designs. Thus, it could be said that the Red Bull RB1 was a kit car, built from bits from other sources, contractors doing a lot of the work under direction from Red Bull.
Fortunately Red Bull's British base places them in an area full of specialist contractors, many run and staffed by ex-F1 designers and engineers.
Under this set-up, Toro Rosso now own the intellectual property and have assigned contractors to make the parts. As long as no parts come from Red Bull's parts bin, then the new car will be legal.
This is why the new car appears to be a revised RB1; the central core of the car is made up for the team, leaving them to run a development programme to update the car with new parts.
With so much of the car being a facsimile of the RB1 and retaining the same engine, it is better to focus on what's changed.
Visual changes are mainly in the sidepods and the engine cover, plus the engine air inlet was revised for the restrictor that is needed to run on the V10. Under the skin, changes would have had to be made to suit the tyre change regulations, revised crash tests, and the differing power delivery of the restricted V10.
As with the rest of the field, the sidepod fronts are now lightly undercut, the shape necessitating a large bulge workaround side impact spar at floor level, again suggesting the car's roots are in the RB1.
The rest of the sidepods follow the RB1 shape, although the fairings around the gearbox have been revised to expose the top half of the pipe. Also changed is the shape of the engine cover, which has a different undercut at the tail of the cover.
With the car having to be fitted with both a restrictor plate and a rev limiter, the former requires a change to the roll structure area. The test car appeared with a simple blanking plate with a removable restrictor bolted to the middle, but the larger snorkel required by the unrestricted V10 made the design less efficient in restricted form. So the snorkel area has now been revised with a smaller and more rounded inlet, leaving less space around the restrictor.
Along with the car's design heritage, the restricted V10 has also caused concern around the pitlane. As the V8 rules were defined when Paul Stoddart was still running the team, there was a concession to allow teams without the financial ability to pay for a V8 engine supply to run a V10 engine with an air and rev restriction.
Toro Rosso inherited this engine supply and have been allowed run it in 2006. However, the spirit of the rule was to help cash-strapped Minardi, no one feared them with a slight engine advantage, which is not the case now, with the better resourced Red Bull-owned Toro Rosso.
The restriction was agreed on at the Technical Working Group, which mandated a flat-plate air restrictor of 77mm diameter allied to a rev limit of 16,700rpm. Nonetheless, many people believe that despite the restriction the engine will have an advantage at some tracks, believing the restriction will allow a good torque curve compared to the V8 engines, providing advantages in acceleration and at the start.
According to Cosworth, the sharp-edged restrictor produces losses not only at peak revs but all the way along the power curve due to the way the air is disrupted through the plate.
Due to this, Cosworth believe the equivalence is more accurate than the restrictor affecting only higher revs as some believe. In fairness, their V8 engine has proven to be very strong power wise in testing and it is this engine they have been using to compare with the restricted V10.
Cosworth believe the engines should be comparable to the V8 in terms of power delivery and peak power. If some teams have a weaker v8 than Cosworth then they might be struggling against their restricted V10 as well.
The FIA has maintained that should the V10 prove to hold an advantage, then it can be further restricted with smaller restrictor plates and/or lower rev limits. Should Toro Rosso prove to be too competitive, then protests and action from the FIA could be forthcoming.[/QUOTE]
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