| StuBeck | 10-15-2007 09:55 AM |
2000 and 2003 were really dramatic years for Schumi. 2003 more so because he tried to throw it away about 3 times during the race and was given the championship by Rubens.
| NYEJ25 | 10-15-2007 03:17 PM |
I was thinking the other day.
A Mecca one-two punch of Hamilton and Nico next year would be an insane combo of young talent. I'm hoping Nico ends up at Mecca, I love that kid!
A Mecca one-two punch of Hamilton and Nico next year would be an insane combo of young talent. I'm hoping Nico ends up at Mecca, I love that kid!
| StuBeck | 10-15-2007 04:49 PM |
I am pretty sure that Williams has a pretty tight lock on Nico right now, and won't lease him out like they did for Button.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-15-2007 11:05 PM |
Stewart vs, Mosley round three
[B]Mosley dismisses Stewart's resignation call[/B]
The war of words between Jackie Stewart and FIA president Max Mosley showed no signs of abating on Monday, as the FIA president hit back at calls from the former world champion for him to resign.
Mosley and Stewart have been at loggerheads over the FIA's handling of the McLaren spy saga, and more recently Stewart has been considering legal action about comments from Mosley calling him a 'certified half-wit.'
Now, Stewart has called on Mosley to resign over his handling of recent events in the sport.
Speaking in an interview with Scottish newspaper The Herald, Stewart said: "There is an escalating awareness that Mosley is being called into question over the proper governance of the FIA and his authority is being undermined, to an increasing degree, largely because we are in the most exciting F1 campaign there has been for years, and yet the papers are full of negative publicity.
"As far as I am concerned, it looks as if we are shooting ourselves in both feet, not with a pistol, but with a semi-automatic rifle, and the governing body is damaging the reputation of the whole sport and bringing it into disrepute.
"They are acting in self-interest and I believe there has to be greater accountability. Perhaps Max Mosley has been in the job too long. I definitely think that he should consider his position and that a new president should be headhunted from outside the sport, so there is no conflict of interest.
"This has nothing to do with me and Max - nor am I acting in any way, shape or form, on behalf of the McLaren team - but I honestly think that decisions are being made which are detrimental to our business and we have to accept that it is time for a change."
Stewart also said that he was flabbergasted at the FIA's decision to use a scrutineer at McLaren in Brazil this weekend to ensure equal treatment between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
"This is absurd and I have no doubts that it is setting a very dangerous precedent for the future," declared Stewart. "Formula One is a domain in which the owners pay the drivers and recruit the mechanics to design the car, and the governing body should have no say in the internal workings of any team.
"But apart from that, it is also hypocritical. Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?
"It would never have happened and, for that reason, I hope that McLaren do their best for Lewis next weekend in Brazil, because the lad has responded magnificently to everything he has faced in the last few months.
"But you have to be concerned for him in the current climate: he could be taken out at the first corner and it sounds as if the FIA would do nothing about it."
Stewart's comments have not impressed Mosley, who stands by all the decisions the FIA has made this season and cheekily suggests that Stewart's outspoken remarks may be part of a publicity drive for his new autobiography.
"Jackie Stewart's latest comments are as misconceived as those he made prior to the McLaren World Council hearing in September," he told autosport.com.
"During a highly charged and controversial season it is of course understandable that many in the United Kingdom feel great sympathy for the plight of McLaren and Lewis Hamilton. In the same way it is understandable for many on the continent to feel great sympathy for the plight of double world champion Fernando Alonso.
"However, it is not the role of the FIA to court popularity by supporting one party or the other. It is the role of the FIA to ensure that the rules of the sport are respected and that fairness is applied consistently for all competitors.
"If drivers from another team complain about what they consider to be the unsafe driving of a race leader in atrocious weather conditions which then results in an accident, does anyone, even Jackie Stewart, honestly believe the sporting authorities should not examine the new evidence presented to them?
"When the Spanish Motor Sport Authority seeks safeguards to ensure fair play should the international governing body ignore their request?"
Mosley added: "Jackie Stewart seems to have forgotten that McLaren received information on a daily basis for over three months plus a dossier of 780 pages from a spy in its main rival. It was for this they incurred a record sanction and expulsion from the Constructors' Championship. They did not appeal as they undoubtedly would have done had Jackie's ill-considered views had any merit.
"The bandying of partisan and ill informed comments in the media may well result in increased book sales for his new autobiography but they can do little more than confirm my view that Jackie is in no position to provide useful observations upon issues of motor sport governance."
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63335[/url]
I'm going to try and stay out of this.
[B]Mosley dismisses Stewart's resignation call[/B]
The war of words between Jackie Stewart and FIA president Max Mosley showed no signs of abating on Monday, as the FIA president hit back at calls from the former world champion for him to resign.
Mosley and Stewart have been at loggerheads over the FIA's handling of the McLaren spy saga, and more recently Stewart has been considering legal action about comments from Mosley calling him a 'certified half-wit.'
Now, Stewart has called on Mosley to resign over his handling of recent events in the sport.
Speaking in an interview with Scottish newspaper The Herald, Stewart said: "There is an escalating awareness that Mosley is being called into question over the proper governance of the FIA and his authority is being undermined, to an increasing degree, largely because we are in the most exciting F1 campaign there has been for years, and yet the papers are full of negative publicity.
"As far as I am concerned, it looks as if we are shooting ourselves in both feet, not with a pistol, but with a semi-automatic rifle, and the governing body is damaging the reputation of the whole sport and bringing it into disrepute.
"They are acting in self-interest and I believe there has to be greater accountability. Perhaps Max Mosley has been in the job too long. I definitely think that he should consider his position and that a new president should be headhunted from outside the sport, so there is no conflict of interest.
"This has nothing to do with me and Max - nor am I acting in any way, shape or form, on behalf of the McLaren team - but I honestly think that decisions are being made which are detrimental to our business and we have to accept that it is time for a change."
Stewart also said that he was flabbergasted at the FIA's decision to use a scrutineer at McLaren in Brazil this weekend to ensure equal treatment between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
"This is absurd and I have no doubts that it is setting a very dangerous precedent for the future," declared Stewart. "Formula One is a domain in which the owners pay the drivers and recruit the mechanics to design the car, and the governing body should have no say in the internal workings of any team.
"But apart from that, it is also hypocritical. Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?
"It would never have happened and, for that reason, I hope that McLaren do their best for Lewis next weekend in Brazil, because the lad has responded magnificently to everything he has faced in the last few months.
"But you have to be concerned for him in the current climate: he could be taken out at the first corner and it sounds as if the FIA would do nothing about it."
Stewart's comments have not impressed Mosley, who stands by all the decisions the FIA has made this season and cheekily suggests that Stewart's outspoken remarks may be part of a publicity drive for his new autobiography.
"Jackie Stewart's latest comments are as misconceived as those he made prior to the McLaren World Council hearing in September," he told autosport.com.
"During a highly charged and controversial season it is of course understandable that many in the United Kingdom feel great sympathy for the plight of McLaren and Lewis Hamilton. In the same way it is understandable for many on the continent to feel great sympathy for the plight of double world champion Fernando Alonso.
"However, it is not the role of the FIA to court popularity by supporting one party or the other. It is the role of the FIA to ensure that the rules of the sport are respected and that fairness is applied consistently for all competitors.
"If drivers from another team complain about what they consider to be the unsafe driving of a race leader in atrocious weather conditions which then results in an accident, does anyone, even Jackie Stewart, honestly believe the sporting authorities should not examine the new evidence presented to them?
"When the Spanish Motor Sport Authority seeks safeguards to ensure fair play should the international governing body ignore their request?"
Mosley added: "Jackie Stewart seems to have forgotten that McLaren received information on a daily basis for over three months plus a dossier of 780 pages from a spy in its main rival. It was for this they incurred a record sanction and expulsion from the Constructors' Championship. They did not appeal as they undoubtedly would have done had Jackie's ill-considered views had any merit.
"The bandying of partisan and ill informed comments in the media may well result in increased book sales for his new autobiography but they can do little more than confirm my view that Jackie is in no position to provide useful observations upon issues of motor sport governance."
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63335[/url]
I'm going to try and stay out of this.
| thejaredhuang | 10-16-2007 03:20 AM |
[QUOTE=Gundoo;19690745]i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.[/QUOTE]
He lost it due to mechanical issues at least once...
He lost it due to mechanical issues at least once...
| TimStevens | 10-16-2007 06:36 AM |
Somebody needs to get Jackie Stewart at the head of the FIA and pronto. Not only is he actually a former racer but he actually seems to have half a clue, unlike the rest of the FIA management.
| chkltcow | 10-16-2007 09:19 AM |
[quote]"As far as I am concerned, it looks as if we are shooting ourselves in both feet, not with a pistol, but with a semi-automatic rifle, and the governing body is damaging the reputation of the whole sport and bringing it into disrepute.[/quote]
Other than the fact that Sir Jackie doesn't understand the concept of a semi-auto rifle ;) .... he's right. Cheating is something that happens in motorsport. It's a given. The way it was handled though, and the personal vendetta that Mosley seems to have against Ron Dennis.... THAT has driven the sport into disrepute far more than the cheating ever did. The spy scandal has been a FAR bigger issue this season than the actual racing, which has actually gotten very exciting lately with all the rain races :)
Other than the fact that Sir Jackie doesn't understand the concept of a semi-auto rifle ;) .... he's right. Cheating is something that happens in motorsport. It's a given. The way it was handled though, and the personal vendetta that Mosley seems to have against Ron Dennis.... THAT has driven the sport into disrepute far more than the cheating ever did. The spy scandal has been a FAR bigger issue this season than the actual racing, which has actually gotten very exciting lately with all the rain races :)
| Dogbert2 | 10-17-2007 12:49 PM |
They must really like Massa at Ferrari.
[QUOTE]The news on Tuesday of Felipe Massa's new Ferrari contract was met by almost universal surprise in F1 circles.
The 26-year-old Brazilian has driven relatively well and won three Grand Prix this year, but it had been strongly rumoured that Fernando Alonso was edging towards a Ferrari deal for 2009 amid high level talks with the Italian marque's President Luca di Montezemolo.
"Everyone here is astonished," Jayme Brito, a producer with Brazil's national TV Globo network, was quoted as responding to the news by the Independent newspaper.
He added: "It is not the proper time for such a thing, and there is a strong suspicion that it may be a smokescreen for other things."
One such theory is that there may be more than meets the eye to Tuesday's 81-word Ferrari press release.
For example, while the team announced that Massa's agreement has been extended through to the end of 2010, it was not specifically made clear that his role must always be as a race driver.
The second sentence of the statement begins with the information that 'Felipe has been contracted to the Scuderia since 2001', but Massa only made his Grand Prix debut in 2002 - for the Ferrari-powered team Sauber.
He was then Ferrari's test driver in 2003, before returning to Sauber for two more years.
Massa only raced a Ferrari for the first time in 2006.
Much has also been made of the tense political situation at Ferrari this year, with Montezemolo supposedly pushing for Ross Brawn to succeed Jean Todt as team boss in preparation for a new era that involves Alonso in the cockpit.
Todt, on the other hand, has previously and publicly lobbied against signing Alonso, while his son Nicolas is Massa's manager.
Spanish Diario As journalist Carlos Miquel on Wednesday concurred that Massa's re-signing through to 2010 is a more than 81-word story.
"The only thing that is for sure is that Raikkonen is now in a weaker position with regards to the possible arrival of Alonso in 2009," he wrote.
Raikkonen's current contract runs until the end of the 2009 season, with Massa's new deal expiring a year later. Massa's previous deal for 2007 and 2008 was announced at Monza last year.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The news on Tuesday of Felipe Massa's new Ferrari contract was met by almost universal surprise in F1 circles.
The 26-year-old Brazilian has driven relatively well and won three Grand Prix this year, but it had been strongly rumoured that Fernando Alonso was edging towards a Ferrari deal for 2009 amid high level talks with the Italian marque's President Luca di Montezemolo.
"Everyone here is astonished," Jayme Brito, a producer with Brazil's national TV Globo network, was quoted as responding to the news by the Independent newspaper.
He added: "It is not the proper time for such a thing, and there is a strong suspicion that it may be a smokescreen for other things."
One such theory is that there may be more than meets the eye to Tuesday's 81-word Ferrari press release.
For example, while the team announced that Massa's agreement has been extended through to the end of 2010, it was not specifically made clear that his role must always be as a race driver.
The second sentence of the statement begins with the information that 'Felipe has been contracted to the Scuderia since 2001', but Massa only made his Grand Prix debut in 2002 - for the Ferrari-powered team Sauber.
He was then Ferrari's test driver in 2003, before returning to Sauber for two more years.
Massa only raced a Ferrari for the first time in 2006.
Much has also been made of the tense political situation at Ferrari this year, with Montezemolo supposedly pushing for Ross Brawn to succeed Jean Todt as team boss in preparation for a new era that involves Alonso in the cockpit.
Todt, on the other hand, has previously and publicly lobbied against signing Alonso, while his son Nicolas is Massa's manager.
Spanish Diario As journalist Carlos Miquel on Wednesday concurred that Massa's re-signing through to 2010 is a more than 81-word story.
"The only thing that is for sure is that Raikkonen is now in a weaker position with regards to the possible arrival of Alonso in 2009," he wrote.
Raikkonen's current contract runs until the end of the 2009 season, with Massa's new deal expiring a year later. Massa's previous deal for 2007 and 2008 was announced at Monza last year.
[/QUOTE]
| ptclaus98 | 10-17-2007 02:16 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19713758]Other than the fact that Sir Jackie doesn't understand the concept of a semi-auto rifle ;) .... he's right. Cheating is something that happens in motorsport. It's a given. The way it was handled though, and the personal vendetta that Mosley seems to have against Ron Dennis.... THAT has driven the sport into disrepute far more than the cheating ever did. The spy scandal has been a FAR bigger issue this season than the actual racing, which has actually gotten very exciting lately [B]with all the rain races [/B]:)[/QUOTE]
I have a question about this. What's the record for rain races in a single season? Or even in a row?
I have a question about this. What's the record for rain races in a single season? Or even in a row?
| bastich | 10-17-2007 07:51 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens;19712964]Somebody needs to get Jackie Stewart at the head of the FIA and pronto. Not only is he actually a former racer but he actually seems to have half a clue, unlike the rest of the FIA management.[/QUOTE]
Sounds to me like Jackie wants to go ahead and give the trophies to Lewis.. I haven't heard him say that Alonso shouldn't have been penalized for his antics in pit lane earlier this year. He almost sounds biased to me...
And what self-interrest is the FIA acting in? Ferrari getting the WDC handed to them benefits the FIA how? Or is he just talking about the 100 mil?
Sounds to me like Jackie wants to go ahead and give the trophies to Lewis.. I haven't heard him say that Alonso shouldn't have been penalized for his antics in pit lane earlier this year. He almost sounds biased to me...
And what self-interrest is the FIA acting in? Ferrari getting the WDC handed to them benefits the FIA how? Or is he just talking about the 100 mil?
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-17-2007 08:15 PM |
Maybe he thinks Alonso should have been penalized. How is that biased?
Am I biased because I think he should have been penalized too? What he did isn't much different than what M.S. did at Monaco last year. And even Michael was penalized for that.
Am I biased because I think he should have been penalized too? What he did isn't much different than what M.S. did at Monaco last year. And even Michael was penalized for that.
| bastich | 10-17-2007 08:34 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19734217]Maybe he thinks Alonso should have been penalized. How is that biased?
Am I biased because I think he should have been penalized too? What he did isn't much different than what M.S. did at Monaco last year. And even Michael was penalized for that.[/QUOTE]
Well, to quote Stewart:
"But apart from that, it is also hypocritical. Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?"
In my mind, the FIA interferrence in the Alonso pitt incident is the same thing. And despite the possibility of a penalty for Hamilton's erratic driving at Fuji, he wasn't penalized. If the FIA had stayed out of team business like Stewart is suggesting, then Fernando might be leading the championship.
Were you one of the people that thought Alonso should have been penalized for shutting the door on Hamilton earlier in the year?
Am I biased because I think he should have been penalized too? What he did isn't much different than what M.S. did at Monaco last year. And even Michael was penalized for that.[/QUOTE]
Well, to quote Stewart:
"But apart from that, it is also hypocritical. Can you imagine the FIA going to Ferrari, while Michael Schumacher was at the helm, and insisting that his No.2 Rubens Barrichello or Eddie Irvine, was accorded the same privileges and that both men had to race on an equal footing?"
In my mind, the FIA interferrence in the Alonso pitt incident is the same thing. And despite the possibility of a penalty for Hamilton's erratic driving at Fuji, he wasn't penalized. If the FIA had stayed out of team business like Stewart is suggesting, then Fernando might be leading the championship.
Were you one of the people that thought Alonso should have been penalized for shutting the door on Hamilton earlier in the year?
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-17-2007 10:36 PM |
i'm not sure which time your talking about. ;)
I'll clarify, I'm not sure that the FIA should have penalized Alonso but I think he should have been. I didn't get to see the FIA's evidence but they likely made a justifiable decition. I think Hamilton should have been penalized for dis-obeying team orders to let him by. I do think it's understandable that he didn't since Alonso wasn't actually that close to him aside from the first three corners.
I agree with the point that the FIA is showing inconsistancy and that I don't agree with. If they are stepping in now, why didn't they back then. That stuff really makes them look bad and I think that is what Sir Jackie was talking about. It's hard to see anything other than favoritism unless clarification is given by sumthinsumthin Mosely (don't think he's been knighted)
I'll clarify, I'm not sure that the FIA should have penalized Alonso but I think he should have been. I didn't get to see the FIA's evidence but they likely made a justifiable decition. I think Hamilton should have been penalized for dis-obeying team orders to let him by. I do think it's understandable that he didn't since Alonso wasn't actually that close to him aside from the first three corners.
I agree with the point that the FIA is showing inconsistancy and that I don't agree with. If they are stepping in now, why didn't they back then. That stuff really makes them look bad and I think that is what Sir Jackie was talking about. It's hard to see anything other than favoritism unless clarification is given by sumthinsumthin Mosely (don't think he's been knighted)
| ptclaus98 | 10-18-2007 12:24 AM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19729591]I have a question about this. What's the record for rain races in a single season? Or even in a row?[/QUOTE]
:confused: Boobies for whoever finds it out?
:confused: Boobies for whoever finds it out?
| chkltcow | 10-18-2007 08:57 AM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19734399]
Were you one of the people that thought Alonso should have been penalized for shutting the door on Hamilton earlier in the year?[/QUOTE]
If by "shutting the door" you mean "purposely and blatantly running him off the road at Spa" then yeah... I think he should have been black flagged for it.
Were you one of the people that thought Alonso should have been penalized for shutting the door on Hamilton earlier in the year?[/QUOTE]
If by "shutting the door" you mean "purposely and blatantly running him off the road at Spa" then yeah... I think he should have been black flagged for it.
| bastich | 10-18-2007 01:34 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19738860]If by "shutting the door" you mean "purposely and blatantly running him off the road at Spa" then yeah... I think he should have been black flagged for it.[/QUOTE]
Well I completely disagree with you.
Go watch the video of that corner again, notice the 2 ferraris are side by side going into the corner but one of them has the sense to back off since he did not have position for the corner.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOfJ3lR5HM[/url]
Hamilton should have conceded the point.
Well I completely disagree with you.
Go watch the video of that corner again, notice the 2 ferraris are side by side going into the corner but one of them has the sense to back off since he did not have position for the corner.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOfJ3lR5HM[/url]
Hamilton should have conceded the point.
| bastich | 10-18-2007 01:39 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19735716]
I agree with the point that the FIA is showing inconsistancy and that I don't agree with. If they are stepping in now, why didn't they back then. That stuff really makes them look bad and I think that is what Sir Jackie was talking about. It's hard to see anything other than favoritism unless clarification is given by sumthinsumthin Mosely (don't think he's been knighted)[/QUOTE]
The inconsistency is definately the problem, but the bottom line is that the inconsistency so far has penalized mclaren as a team and alonso as a driver.
Stewart seems to be implying that they are trying to screw over Hamilton which has been far from the case so far.
Hamilton has shut the door on Alonso more than once this year as well.
I agree with the point that the FIA is showing inconsistancy and that I don't agree with. If they are stepping in now, why didn't they back then. That stuff really makes them look bad and I think that is what Sir Jackie was talking about. It's hard to see anything other than favoritism unless clarification is given by sumthinsumthin Mosely (don't think he's been knighted)[/QUOTE]
The inconsistency is definately the problem, but the bottom line is that the inconsistency so far has penalized mclaren as a team and alonso as a driver.
Stewart seems to be implying that they are trying to screw over Hamilton which has been far from the case so far.
Hamilton has shut the door on Alonso more than once this year as well.
| Draken | 10-18-2007 01:39 PM |
As i mentioned before, if that was the old SPA, there would have been a wall on corner exit, and Hamilton would have needed to back off. The fact he was afforded the opportunity to run off the track was the only reason he stayed in it.
| bastich | 10-18-2007 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken;19742248]As i mentioned before, if that was the old SPA, there would have been a wall on corner exit, and Hamilton would have needed to back off. The fact he was afforded the opportunity to run off the track was the only reason he stayed in it.[/QUOTE]
Good point, if it wasnt for the runoff he would have been risking his car, and he isnt stupid.
Has anyone here pointed out that all of Hamilton's wins have come from pole this year? He better qualify first if he is goinig to retain his championship, if Alonso gets the lead it's all over.
Good point, if it wasnt for the runoff he would have been risking his car, and he isnt stupid.
Has anyone here pointed out that all of Hamilton's wins have come from pole this year? He better qualify first if he is goinig to retain his championship, if Alonso gets the lead it's all over.
| chkltcow | 10-18-2007 03:28 PM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19742176]Well I completely disagree with you.
Go watch the video of that corner again, notice the 2 ferraris are side by side going into the corner but one of them has the sense to back off since he did not have position for the corner.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOfJ3lR5HM[/url]
Hamilton should have conceded the point.[/QUOTE]
Notice how all the other cars went by 2 wide, yet one driver swerved at his opponent to run him off the road?
Alonso could have held his line there, easily. In any other series, if you swerve at someone and run them off the road, and it's as blatant as that... you're going to see a penalty. That's why I don't understand F1.
Go watch the video of that corner again, notice the 2 ferraris are side by side going into the corner but one of them has the sense to back off since he did not have position for the corner.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjOfJ3lR5HM[/url]
Hamilton should have conceded the point.[/QUOTE]
Notice how all the other cars went by 2 wide, yet one driver swerved at his opponent to run him off the road?
Alonso could have held his line there, easily. In any other series, if you swerve at someone and run them off the road, and it's as blatant as that... you're going to see a penalty. That's why I don't understand F1.
| bastich | 10-18-2007 04:15 PM |
If Alonso had made the turn with room for someone on the outside it would have cost him so much speed that Hamilton would have probably walked by him on the straight. You are basically saying that anytime someone is on the outside the driver on the inside is required to allow that person to pass him. Makes no sense.
| chkltcow | 10-18-2007 04:55 PM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19744490]If Alonso had made the turn with room for someone on the outside it would have cost him so much speed that Hamilton would have probably walked by him on the straight. You are basically saying that anytime someone is on the outside the driver on the inside is required to allow that person to pass him. Makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
If F1 cars were actually able to pass each other under normal racing conditions, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Alonso had the faster car, he should have been able to take the position back later in the race. But, under current conditions, turn 1 contains a good 90% of the racing for the front 4 cars... and they have to go balls out to make it through there in the lead. It's ridiculous.
I'm not saying the inside driver has to concede the position either. I'm saying that if a driver creates a dangerous situation by... say... swerving purposely at another driver.... it's time for the officials to step in and show him a flag. Alonso could have held his line and held speed, but instead he tried a bully stunt to run his own teammate off the road.
If F1 cars were actually able to pass each other under normal racing conditions, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Alonso had the faster car, he should have been able to take the position back later in the race. But, under current conditions, turn 1 contains a good 90% of the racing for the front 4 cars... and they have to go balls out to make it through there in the lead. It's ridiculous.
I'm not saying the inside driver has to concede the position either. I'm saying that if a driver creates a dangerous situation by... say... swerving purposely at another driver.... it's time for the officials to step in and show him a flag. Alonso could have held his line and held speed, but instead he tried a bully stunt to run his own teammate off the road.
| artkevin | 10-18-2007 06:41 PM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19742300]Good point, if it wasnt for the runoff he would have been risking his car, and he isnt stupid.
Has anyone here pointed out that all of Hamilton's wins have come from pole this year? He better qualify first if he is goinig to retain his championship, if Alonso gets the lead it's all over.[/QUOTE]
Not really, he is down by 4 points so if it is a 1-2 Hamilton still wins the WDC by 2 points.
Has anyone here pointed out that all of Hamilton's wins have come from pole this year? He better qualify first if he is goinig to retain his championship, if Alonso gets the lead it's all over.[/QUOTE]
Not really, he is down by 4 points so if it is a 1-2 Hamilton still wins the WDC by 2 points.
| bastich | 10-18-2007 09:16 PM |
True, I was just assuming that Kimi would be ahead of Hamilton.
| bastich | 10-18-2007 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19745064]If F1 cars were actually able to pass each other under normal racing conditions, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Alonso had the faster car, he should have been able to take the position back later in the race. But, under current conditions, turn 1 contains a good 90% of the racing for the front 4 cars... and they have to go balls out to make it through there in the lead. It's ridiculous.
I'm not saying the inside driver has to concede the position either. I'm saying that if a driver creates a dangerous situation by... say... swerving purposely at another driver.... it's time for the officials to step in and show him a flag. Alonso could have held his line and held speed, but instead he tried a bully stunt to run his own teammate off the road.[/QUOTE]
Technically I am not sure if straightening the wheels up is considered swerving. I mean if you lock the front tires up while cornering/braking, to get grip back you let off some of the pressure and straighten the wheels...
I'm not saying the inside driver has to concede the position either. I'm saying that if a driver creates a dangerous situation by... say... swerving purposely at another driver.... it's time for the officials to step in and show him a flag. Alonso could have held his line and held speed, but instead he tried a bully stunt to run his own teammate off the road.[/QUOTE]
Technically I am not sure if straightening the wheels up is considered swerving. I mean if you lock the front tires up while cornering/braking, to get grip back you let off some of the pressure and straighten the wheels...
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-18-2007 11:24 PM |
You don't have to do both, you can do either.
So, no one posted that Alonso is officially leaving Mclaren?
I wonder who is going to get his seat?
Oh me me me!!! :)
So, no one posted that Alonso is officially leaving Mclaren?
I wonder who is going to get his seat?
Oh me me me!!! :)
| chkltcow | 10-19-2007 07:07 AM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19747896]Technically I am not sure if straightening the wheels up is considered swerving. I mean if you lock the front tires up while cornering/braking, to get grip back you let off some of the pressure and straighten the wheels...[/QUOTE]
So are you saying he locked up the brakes past the apex?
So are you saying he locked up the brakes past the apex?
| ptclaus98 | 10-19-2007 11:17 AM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19749288]You don't have to do both, you can do either.
So, no one posted that Alonso is officially leaving Mclaren?
I wonder who is going to get his seat?
Oh me me me!!! :)[/QUOTE]
:confused: Link?
So, no one posted that Alonso is officially leaving Mclaren?
I wonder who is going to get his seat?
Oh me me me!!! :)[/QUOTE]
:confused: Link?
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-19-2007 11:34 AM |
I saw it on Autosport but I think they took it down. Here is the first palce I saw it.
[url]http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/18/report-mercedes-releases-alonso[/url]
Maybe not.
[url]http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/18/report-mercedes-releases-alonso[/url]
Maybe not.
| ptclaus98 | 10-19-2007 12:14 PM |
If it's the Bild report, they aren't very reliable.
| Ferg | 10-20-2007 11:35 AM |
Are you ready for FORCE INDIA!
I swear I read that book in second grade, part of the Choose Your Own Adventure series IIRC.
[QUOTE][B]Spyker to be named Force India in 2008
[/B]
By Jonathan Noble and Biranit Goren Saturday, October 20th 2007, 14:39 GMT
The Spyker Formula One team will be renamed Force India F1 next year, the team's new owners revealed today.
Spyker F1 were bought out earlier this month by Indian billionaire Vijay Mallya and Dutch businessman Michiel Mol.
The owners already obtained approval for the name from Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone, and the remaining Formula One teams are expected to approve the change.
The new name will also require the approval of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council on Wednesday.
"I have applied to the FIA to change the name of the team to Force India F1," Mallya said at Interlagos today. "It's now an internal process for the FIA."
Mallya further revealed that the team already has a logo prepared, in the colours of the national Indian flag.
"The logo is decided," Mallya said. "It will be the in the colours of the Indian flag.
"The livery of the car will obviously be determined by the sponsors we'll have - because a sponsor wants the colours of the car to also be compatible with their own branding.
"But the Force India logo with the Indian flag will obviously feature quite prominently."[/QUOTE]
I swear I read that book in second grade, part of the Choose Your Own Adventure series IIRC.
[QUOTE][B]Spyker to be named Force India in 2008
[/B]
By Jonathan Noble and Biranit Goren Saturday, October 20th 2007, 14:39 GMT
The Spyker Formula One team will be renamed Force India F1 next year, the team's new owners revealed today.
Spyker F1 were bought out earlier this month by Indian billionaire Vijay Mallya and Dutch businessman Michiel Mol.
The owners already obtained approval for the name from Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone, and the remaining Formula One teams are expected to approve the change.
The new name will also require the approval of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council on Wednesday.
"I have applied to the FIA to change the name of the team to Force India F1," Mallya said at Interlagos today. "It's now an internal process for the FIA."
Mallya further revealed that the team already has a logo prepared, in the colours of the national Indian flag.
"The logo is decided," Mallya said. "It will be the in the colours of the Indian flag.
"The livery of the car will obviously be determined by the sponsors we'll have - because a sponsor wants the colours of the car to also be compatible with their own branding.
"But the Force India logo with the Indian flag will obviously feature quite prominently."[/QUOTE]
| artkevin | 10-20-2007 11:56 AM |
I hope they do an Indian version of this paint job :lol:
[IMG]http://www.theneussubjex.com/nspictures/filmphotos/teamamerica.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.rotaryaction.com/images/teamawp1.jpg[/IMG]
I will miss the orange of the Spyker.
[IMG]http://www.theneussubjex.com/nspictures/filmphotos/teamamerica.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.rotaryaction.com/images/teamawp1.jpg[/IMG]
I will miss the orange of the Spyker.
| ptclaus98 | 10-20-2007 02:32 PM |
Dammit, I was just starting to warm up to Spyker.
| Indocti Discant | 10-20-2007 04:49 PM |
[quote=artkevin;19764057]
I will miss the orange of the Spyker.[/quote]
The Indian flag has orange in it.
[IMG]http://www.globaleye.org.uk/primary_spring2002/eyeon/images/india-flag.gif[/IMG]
I will miss the orange of the Spyker.[/quote]
The Indian flag has orange in it.
[IMG]http://www.globaleye.org.uk/primary_spring2002/eyeon/images/india-flag.gif[/IMG]
| artkevin | 10-20-2007 05:31 PM |
Yes, but the owner said that the colors would be determined by the sponsors.
| Gundoo | 10-20-2007 09:49 PM |
i have alot of respect for the spykers guys. if you watch one go round the track its quite clear the car is actively trying to kill the driver.
think of the puns for next year: "...and india hits the wall with 600 kilos of [I]force[/I]!"
think of the puns for next year: "...and india hits the wall with 600 kilos of [I]force[/I]!"
| Counterfit | 10-21-2007 02:56 AM |
Speaking of cars trying to kill their drivers, I remember qualifying for the 2005 Bahrain GP. I could swear the Jordans where in the wrong series with how much time they spent sideways. :lol:
| artkevin | 10-21-2007 05:48 AM |
I was really impressed with Nahrain that year. It was amazing just to see him keep that POS on the island, much less push for anything like a point.
| StuBeck | 10-21-2007 10:59 AM |
Nahrain might have a chance next year at Williams, it'll be interesting who joins up.
| artkevin | 10-21-2007 05:15 PM |
I think it all depends on where Nico goes. I hope he stays but it looks like Nakjima has the pound seat with Toyota engines int he back of the Williams.
I still think almost all the driver changes hinge on where Alonso goes. Nico is the only guy I can think of that McLaren might want in the seat next to Hamilton if Alonso leaves.
I still think almost all the driver changes hinge on where Alonso goes. Nico is the only guy I can think of that McLaren might want in the seat next to Hamilton if Alonso leaves.
| chkltcow | 10-21-2007 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19772580]I think it all depends on where Nico goes. I hope he stays but it looks like Nakjima has the pound seat with Toyota engines int he back of the Williams.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and if he keeps running over crew members, who is gonna want him?
I hope those guys are alright. That one dude got hit HARD :(
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and if he keeps running over crew members, who is gonna want him?
I hope those guys are alright. That one dude got hit HARD :(
| thejaredhuang | 10-21-2007 10:54 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19774292]Yeah, and if he keeps running over crew members, who is gonna want him?
I hope those guys are alright. That one dude got hit HARD :([/QUOTE]
That was Nakajima.
I hope Rosberg stays with Williams. They may not be the fastest but they're definitely coming back.
I hope those guys are alright. That one dude got hit HARD :([/QUOTE]
That was Nakajima.
I hope Rosberg stays with Williams. They may not be the fastest but they're definitely coming back.
| chkltcow | 10-21-2007 10:56 PM |
[QUOTE=thejaredhuang;19775467]That was Nakajima.
I hope Rosberg stays with Williams. They may not be the fastest but they're definitely coming back.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was referring to Nakajima.
I hope Rosberg stays with Williams. They may not be the fastest but they're definitely coming back.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was referring to Nakajima.
| Draken | 10-21-2007 11:19 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19774292]Yeah, and if he keeps running over crew members, who is gonna want him?
I hope those guys are alright. That one dude got hit HARD :([/QUOTE]
If by "keeps running over crew members", you mean "ran over crew members once, in his first event, which was the last of the season" then you would be correct. Otherwise, your arm chair team managing needs to simmer down.
Chris H.
I hope those guys are alright. That one dude got hit HARD :([/QUOTE]
If by "keeps running over crew members", you mean "ran over crew members once, in his first event, which was the last of the season" then you would be correct. Otherwise, your arm chair team managing needs to simmer down.
Chris H.
| StuBeck | 10-22-2007 12:18 AM |
Didn't he hit someone in a GP2 race this year?
| NYEJ25 | 10-22-2007 12:11 PM |
I said a week or two ago that I would love to see Nico and Hamilton on the same team. I think it would be a sick pairing!
| ptclaus98 | 10-22-2007 05:56 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19772580]I think it all depends on where Nico goes. I hope he stays but it looks like Nakjima has the pound seat with Toyota engines int he back of the Williams.
I still think almost all the driver changes hinge on where Alonso goes. Nico is the only guy I can think of that McLaren might want in the seat next to Hamilton if Alonso leaves.[/QUOTE]
McLaren have said Nico wasn't in the running.
I still think almost all the driver changes hinge on where Alonso goes. Nico is the only guy I can think of that McLaren might want in the seat next to Hamilton if Alonso leaves.[/QUOTE]
McLaren have said Nico wasn't in the running.
| KAX | 10-22-2007 06:03 PM |
Id actually like to see Button in a McLaren. see if maybe his rookie season hype actually can add up to something. What can he do in a good car?
| StuBeck | 10-22-2007 07:17 PM |
He did well in 04 when BAR was second in the championship, and did well last year.
| chkltcow | 10-22-2007 07:25 PM |
[url]http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2007/10/7014.html[/url]
[quote][b]Q: Is Ferrari more important for Formula One than other teams?
MM: Yes,[/b] firstly, because it holds a historically important position, as the team has been involved in Formula One since 1950. The second point has something to do with existential orientation: imagine that there were only one British team and all other teams were Italian, that the commercial rights holder was Italian, as was the FIA President, the race director and his assistant and the sport�s commissioner. Wouldn�t it be understandable that this team would be very careful? I therefore use my neutrality with a huge amount of responsibility and stay in close contact with Ferrari to assure them that no British �mafia� or cartel tries to take advantage of them.[/quote]
[quote][b]Q: Is Ferrari more important for Formula One than other teams?
MM: Yes,[/b] firstly, because it holds a historically important position, as the team has been involved in Formula One since 1950. The second point has something to do with existential orientation: imagine that there were only one British team and all other teams were Italian, that the commercial rights holder was Italian, as was the FIA President, the race director and his assistant and the sport�s commissioner. Wouldn�t it be understandable that this team would be very careful? I therefore use my neutrality with a huge amount of responsibility and stay in close contact with Ferrari to assure them that no British �mafia� or cartel tries to take advantage of them.[/quote]
| Snowphun | 10-22-2007 07:37 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;19784635]Id actually like to see Button in a McLaren. see if maybe his rookie season hype actually can add up to something. What can he do in a good car?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that would be excellent. I doubt he can match Hami anymore, but it really would be great to see him have a crack at the big time. I'd also like to see Alonso in a crap car, let's see what he can make of it.
Yeah, that would be excellent. I doubt he can match Hami anymore, but it really would be great to see him have a crack at the big time. I'd also like to see Alonso in a crap car, let's see what he can make of it.
| meebs | 10-22-2007 08:51 PM |
Sorry OTG, but you know I just had to bring this back from the dead. :) I'm not gloating... I wrote Kimi off after the Japanese GP... I thought there was just no way Lewis would not finish in the top 2 or 3 for the last 2 races. This just illustrates how good this season was.
But still... :D
From the Monaco thread:
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;18217911]I received some criticism for this statement... and the criticism is partially justified. I understand the season is only 1/3 over, but I still believe there is good reason to write off Kimi's title hopes.
First, look at the mountain that Kimi has to climb. There are 12 races left. He is in a four way dog fight for the championship with drivers that appear to be near, if not his equal. He is 15 points behind. At this point, ~1/3rd through the season, we know that on any weekend, any one of the four drivers can win the race on Sunday. The McLarens have been reliable, while the Ferrari team have not.
Alonso put it well.
Of course, that is a competitor. What does Kimi's boss say?
Jean Todt has done our math. Actually, there is something wrong w/Jean Todt's math. Kimi will want to acquire at least 1 more point than his rivals. So that would be 16 points more than his best scoring McLaren rival over 12 races. That means he must earn, on average, 1.33 points per race.
Additionally, his team-mate has 10 more points. Kimi may need to earn 11 points than his team-mate. Which averages ~0.9 more points per race.
So we can all figure out the scenarios that that can happen... Kimi winning four or five Ferrari one, two finishes would help... Lewis and Fernando taking each other out one race... McLarens break a few times, etc.
It could happen.
But what I'm saying, what Fernando is saying, and what I tried to illustrate, is that the odds are now against Kimi. He really needs to focus himself, and his team, on scoring ten points every weekend. He can't afford to give away large amounts of points by big mistakes again. He just needs to effing win. Now we will see how strong he is.[/QUOTE]
But still... :D
From the Monaco thread:
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;18217911]I received some criticism for this statement... and the criticism is partially justified. I understand the season is only 1/3 over, but I still believe there is good reason to write off Kimi's title hopes.
First, look at the mountain that Kimi has to climb. There are 12 races left. He is in a four way dog fight for the championship with drivers that appear to be near, if not his equal. He is 15 points behind. At this point, ~1/3rd through the season, we know that on any weekend, any one of the four drivers can win the race on Sunday. The McLarens have been reliable, while the Ferrari team have not.
Alonso put it well.
Of course, that is a competitor. What does Kimi's boss say?
Jean Todt has done our math. Actually, there is something wrong w/Jean Todt's math. Kimi will want to acquire at least 1 more point than his rivals. So that would be 16 points more than his best scoring McLaren rival over 12 races. That means he must earn, on average, 1.33 points per race.
Additionally, his team-mate has 10 more points. Kimi may need to earn 11 points than his team-mate. Which averages ~0.9 more points per race.
So we can all figure out the scenarios that that can happen... Kimi winning four or five Ferrari one, two finishes would help... Lewis and Fernando taking each other out one race... McLarens break a few times, etc.
It could happen.
But what I'm saying, what Fernando is saying, and what I tried to illustrate, is that the odds are now against Kimi. He really needs to focus himself, and his team, on scoring ten points every weekend. He can't afford to give away large amounts of points by big mistakes again. He just needs to effing win. Now we will see how strong he is.[/QUOTE]
| Counterfit | 10-22-2007 11:48 PM |
Since when has Kimi cared about odds? I think all he wants to do is win a race, get drunk, **** some girls, and do it all again in two weeks. He's kinda like a quiet James Hunt.
| artkevin | 10-23-2007 01:12 AM |
Ummm, what the eff is Max talking about in the 2nd part?
McLaren-British Based British Owned-German/British Engines
Renault-French Owned British Based-French Engines
Red Bull-British based team run from Austria with French Engines
STR-Austrian Owned Italian Based with Italian Engines
Super Aguri-Japanese Team run out of England with Japanse Engines
Toyota-Japanese team based out of Germany
BMW Sauber-Swiss based team with German engines run from Germany
Ferrari-Italian to the core
Sypker-British Based-Italian Engined
Honda-British Based run from Japan with Japanese Engines
Williams-British based British Owned Japanese Engines
His point seems to be that Ferrari are at a disadvantage being based in far away Italy so they should have some backing so that all the big bad British teams don't gang up on them. Last I checked they race in about 15-16 different countries and there are at least 5 countries represented through manufacturing and ownership.
McLaren-British Based British Owned-German/British Engines
Renault-French Owned British Based-French Engines
Red Bull-British based team run from Austria with French Engines
STR-Austrian Owned Italian Based with Italian Engines
Super Aguri-Japanese Team run out of England with Japanse Engines
Toyota-Japanese team based out of Germany
BMW Sauber-Swiss based team with German engines run from Germany
Ferrari-Italian to the core
Sypker-British Based-Italian Engined
Honda-British Based run from Japan with Japanese Engines
Williams-British based British Owned Japanese Engines
His point seems to be that Ferrari are at a disadvantage being based in far away Italy so they should have some backing so that all the big bad British teams don't gang up on them. Last I checked they race in about 15-16 different countries and there are at least 5 countries represented through manufacturing and ownership.
| thejaredhuang | 10-23-2007 05:43 AM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19785579][url]http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2007/10/7014.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Max is freaking retarded.
Max is freaking retarded.
| TheRipler | 10-23-2007 02:16 PM |
I think Max Mosely has finally pushed me over the edge. This season was the worst I've seen in the last 8 years.
I've been a huge F1 fan since ~2000, when I first got to watch it on TV. I stayed through the Ferrari years, even though the only competition was for who got 2nd place. At least at that time, the idea that the regulations weren't handled evenly for the teams wasn't so obvious, since Ferrari was doing pretty good on their own. They found creative ways to skirt the rules that didn't involve the press. This year, enforcement has just been a farce all the way around. Max seems more interested in having a circus than a sport. There is no consistency in how the rules are enforced, or the penalties that go along with them. That's been covered here more than enough here.
I would have been happy if Hamilton had pulled off the WDC. It would have been an amazing acomplishment for a rookie. I would have been happy if Alonso got a 3rd world title. I'm happy for Kimi that he got his first, though I'm dissapointed that Massa had to toss his home GP for him to do it. The Speed TV guys were shocked that all the drivers said "I don't care who wins the title". I was not. When it all boils down, the championships (driver and constructor) have been made completely meaningless by the FIA this year.
The regulations changes over the last few years have been moronic for the most part. I do like the new qualifying format, but that's it. They've neutered the cars. First, this V8 was introduced. *yawn* Then they cut it's balls off by putting in a 19KRPM rev limit. I thought this was supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports? All the tire BS, giving an unfair advantage to Ferrari for how many seasons now? Common ECUs? Talk of a V6? Hey, for 2018, lets just give them all a sealed Honda lawnmower engine with a carburator, and call it good. There's some cost savings for ya'!
...and they ditched the USGP...
Max obviously doesn't care if I continue to support F1 or the FIA. I think I may hang it up after this season. Why bother getting up at 5am on a Sunday? If I want soap operas, most come on at more comfortable hours of the day, and are less convoluted.
Someone give me a call if they decide to make F1 a sport again.
I've been a huge F1 fan since ~2000, when I first got to watch it on TV. I stayed through the Ferrari years, even though the only competition was for who got 2nd place. At least at that time, the idea that the regulations weren't handled evenly for the teams wasn't so obvious, since Ferrari was doing pretty good on their own. They found creative ways to skirt the rules that didn't involve the press. This year, enforcement has just been a farce all the way around. Max seems more interested in having a circus than a sport. There is no consistency in how the rules are enforced, or the penalties that go along with them. That's been covered here more than enough here.
I would have been happy if Hamilton had pulled off the WDC. It would have been an amazing acomplishment for a rookie. I would have been happy if Alonso got a 3rd world title. I'm happy for Kimi that he got his first, though I'm dissapointed that Massa had to toss his home GP for him to do it. The Speed TV guys were shocked that all the drivers said "I don't care who wins the title". I was not. When it all boils down, the championships (driver and constructor) have been made completely meaningless by the FIA this year.
The regulations changes over the last few years have been moronic for the most part. I do like the new qualifying format, but that's it. They've neutered the cars. First, this V8 was introduced. *yawn* Then they cut it's balls off by putting in a 19KRPM rev limit. I thought this was supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports? All the tire BS, giving an unfair advantage to Ferrari for how many seasons now? Common ECUs? Talk of a V6? Hey, for 2018, lets just give them all a sealed Honda lawnmower engine with a carburator, and call it good. There's some cost savings for ya'!
...and they ditched the USGP...
Max obviously doesn't care if I continue to support F1 or the FIA. I think I may hang it up after this season. Why bother getting up at 5am on a Sunday? If I want soap operas, most come on at more comfortable hours of the day, and are less convoluted.
Someone give me a call if they decide to make F1 a sport again.
| bastich | 10-23-2007 05:45 PM |
I will be back next year for sure. When it comes right down to it, I think the only penalties that affected the top 4 drivers were Massa's black flag in Canada, and Alonso's penalty for the pit stop delay. Sure, they basically handed the constructor's to Ferrari, but in the end I think the WDC is the real prize and it was won fairly, the guy who won the most races won the championship by 1 point.
Next year should be good if Alonso has a fast car that isnt a Mclaren. Another 3 or 4 way race for the WDC should be pretty damn entertaining.
Next year should be good if Alonso has a fast car that isnt a Mclaren. Another 3 or 4 way race for the WDC should be pretty damn entertaining.
| StuBeck | 10-24-2007 04:42 AM |
Ferrari wasn't handed the WCC, they would have won it either way.
| bastich | 10-24-2007 09:02 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19803307]Ferrari wasn't handed the WCC, they would have won it either way.[/QUOTE]
I don't follow you here. Hamilton and Alonso scored more points than the Ferrari duo. What do you mean?
I read an interresting though on speed's forums last night while I was bored at work, wouldn't it be interresting if one of the BMW drivers ended up Hamilton's teammate next year while Alonso went to BMW? They have shown the best pace all year outside of the top 2 teams, and I think the only reason they weren't even closer towards the end of the year was that they started development of next year's car and virtually stopped development of the current one. Sure its a pipe dream and he will probably end up in a Renault.. but I am actually hoping it happens.
I don't follow you here. Hamilton and Alonso scored more points than the Ferrari duo. What do you mean?
I read an interresting though on speed's forums last night while I was bored at work, wouldn't it be interresting if one of the BMW drivers ended up Hamilton's teammate next year while Alonso went to BMW? They have shown the best pace all year outside of the top 2 teams, and I think the only reason they weren't even closer towards the end of the year was that they started development of next year's car and virtually stopped development of the current one. Sure its a pipe dream and he will probably end up in a Renault.. but I am actually hoping it happens.
| StuBeck | 10-24-2007 12:39 PM |
McLaren lost 1st because they wouldn't have scored points in Hungry.
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