| artkevin | 03-23-2007 07:38 PM |
I thought it was 10 teams under the concorde. I remember them saying that if Mindari went away some of the teams were going to have to run 3 cars a couple years ago.
I seriously doubt that the teams will ge thrown out. It probably has more to do with TV money and constructors points. I see them getting docked if found guilty, which I doubt. I agree with Spyker and Williams but I think Red Bull and Honda's lawyers probably took a look at the agreement before giving the thumbs up.
I seriously doubt that the teams will ge thrown out. It probably has more to do with TV money and constructors points. I see them getting docked if found guilty, which I doubt. I agree with Spyker and Williams but I think Red Bull and Honda's lawyers probably took a look at the agreement before giving the thumbs up.
| TimStevens | 03-23-2007 09:03 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17455204]Must have sound and quick time. Best sound of an F1 car(s) since the movie Grand Prix.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
WOW what a great commercial.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
WOW what a great commercial.
| artkevin | 03-23-2007 09:18 PM |
That commercial makes my heart beat a little faster.
Check out this one. IHMO its extremely well done.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5lXWRPJSk[/url]
Check out this one. IHMO its extremely well done.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5lXWRPJSk[/url]
| StuBeck | 03-23-2007 11:12 PM |
It is 10 teams required, not 11. We were running with 10 teams from 03 to 05.
I agree with the idea that Spyker and Williams are saying, that the original rule was the team had to create their own chassis. But these teams are following that (that is how SA actually failed the crash test even though they are running the design from Honda) and own the rights to it.
There is also the precedence which is coming in. Technically BAR, Jaguar, Red Bull, BMW, Midland and Spyker shouldn't be allowed to have run their cars since they simply bought the rights to the car and didn't design their car in their first year. STR running a year old Red Bull was sort of silly, no one bitched about that even though it was the same thing that RBR is doing this year.
I don't think the teams will get thrown out even if they're found guilty. They will probably just be forced to not score constructors points and therefore not get the money. The FIA can't afford to get a quarter of the grid to just disappear.
I agree with the idea that Spyker and Williams are saying, that the original rule was the team had to create their own chassis. But these teams are following that (that is how SA actually failed the crash test even though they are running the design from Honda) and own the rights to it.
There is also the precedence which is coming in. Technically BAR, Jaguar, Red Bull, BMW, Midland and Spyker shouldn't be allowed to have run their cars since they simply bought the rights to the car and didn't design their car in their first year. STR running a year old Red Bull was sort of silly, no one bitched about that even though it was the same thing that RBR is doing this year.
I don't think the teams will get thrown out even if they're found guilty. They will probably just be forced to not score constructors points and therefore not get the money. The FIA can't afford to get a quarter of the grid to just disappear.
| wvallwheeldrive | 03-24-2007 02:55 AM |
If there cars where found to be disallowed but concord agreement how would they be allowed to run with out the FIA disqualifing all there times for an illegal chassie. effectively paying entry fee to finish last.
| alachua | 03-24-2007 04:09 AM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive;17468094]If there cars where found to be disallowed but concord agreement how would they be allowed to run with out the FIA disqualifing all there times for an illegal chassie. effectively paying entry fee to finish last.[/QUOTE]
They could levy a ruling that states that the team will be ineligible to score constructors points for a period of X races. X being how ever many races are left in the season. This ensures that they will run every race for the rest of the season, and lets spyker sleep better at night knowing that they are only 8 spots outside of a points scoring position at the end of the day.
-Cliff
They could levy a ruling that states that the team will be ineligible to score constructors points for a period of X races. X being how ever many races are left in the season. This ensures that they will run every race for the rest of the season, and lets spyker sleep better at night knowing that they are only 8 spots outside of a points scoring position at the end of the day.
-Cliff
| TimStevens | 03-24-2007 08:05 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17465920]That commercial makes my heart beat a little faster.
Check out this one. IHMO its extremely well done.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5lXWRPJSk[/url][/QUOTE]
Another great one. :) Man I hope he kicks ass this season.
Check out this one. IHMO its extremely well done.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5lXWRPJSk[/url][/QUOTE]
Another great one. :) Man I hope he kicks ass this season.
| cdvma | 03-24-2007 09:05 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17455204]Must have sound and quick time. Best sound of an F1 car(s) since the movie Grand Prix.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Chills. Thats all I got. Awesome commercial.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Chills. Thats all I got. Awesome commercial.
| artkevin | 03-24-2007 02:10 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens;17468804]Another great one. :) Man I hope he kicks ass this season.[/QUOTE]
I think he is well on his way.
I just read an article by Nigel Roebuck w/ JYS talking abot Hamilton. He said he is one of the most complete rookies he has ever seen. He spends most of his time meeting knowing the people around McLaren. He also invests a lot of times with the rules and regulations of the sport along with KNOWING the car.
Its great to see someone so young have such a good well rounded head on their shoulders. Not to mention the sheer talent.
I think he is well on his way.
I just read an article by Nigel Roebuck w/ JYS talking abot Hamilton. He said he is one of the most complete rookies he has ever seen. He spends most of his time meeting knowing the people around McLaren. He also invests a lot of times with the rules and regulations of the sport along with KNOWING the car.
Its great to see someone so young have such a good well rounded head on their shoulders. Not to mention the sheer talent.
| Ferg | 03-26-2007 11:29 AM |
More on the legal wranglings...
[QUOTE][B][U]Williams not involved in arbitration
[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Monday, March 26th 2007, 12:01 GMT
Williams are not involved in the arbitration action launched by Spyker over customer cars in Formula One, autosport.com has learned, despite their previous anger at the situation.
Spyker last week began legal proceedings against Super Aguri and Scuderia Toro Rosso over their belief that the two teams are in breach of F1's Concorde Agreement for running development versions of 'customer cars'.
Although Spyker liaised closely with Williams before the start of the season to discuss their unhappiness at the situation - and it was thought the two teams would launch legal action together - it is understood that Spyker are currently acting alone.
Team boss Frank Williams was not at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix, where Spyker chief Colin Kolles lodged a protest against Super Aguri after qualifying.
Speaking to autosport.com earlier this year, however, Williams said his team were considering legal action over the customer car situation - even though it could be a lengthy process.
"It won't take years. It might take a year, and it might get messy. But maybe Max (Mosley, FIA president) should get more forceful then.
"He did say that he was not involved in it because it's a Concorde Agreement matter. But there are three parties that have signed the Concorde Agreement and he is one of them."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Williams not involved in arbitration
[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Monday, March 26th 2007, 12:01 GMT
Williams are not involved in the arbitration action launched by Spyker over customer cars in Formula One, autosport.com has learned, despite their previous anger at the situation.
Spyker last week began legal proceedings against Super Aguri and Scuderia Toro Rosso over their belief that the two teams are in breach of F1's Concorde Agreement for running development versions of 'customer cars'.
Although Spyker liaised closely with Williams before the start of the season to discuss their unhappiness at the situation - and it was thought the two teams would launch legal action together - it is understood that Spyker are currently acting alone.
Team boss Frank Williams was not at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix, where Spyker chief Colin Kolles lodged a protest against Super Aguri after qualifying.
Speaking to autosport.com earlier this year, however, Williams said his team were considering legal action over the customer car situation - even though it could be a lengthy process.
"It won't take years. It might take a year, and it might get messy. But maybe Max (Mosley, FIA president) should get more forceful then.
"He did say that he was not involved in it because it's a Concorde Agreement matter. But there are three parties that have signed the Concorde Agreement and he is one of them."[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 03-26-2007 11:33 AM |
I could see it being figured out at the end of the year, then it won't matter anymore too.
| Ferg | 03-26-2007 11:39 AM |
I can see a legitimate case being made against Super Aguri since they didn't build their car, Honda R&D did the actual manufacturing and that I think does fly in the face of the rules. It's different from last season when Aguri simply bought an old chassis (wasn't one sitting in an airport for a few years..) and made some modifications. Having Honda develop and then build what is essentially a new car is another matter.
From everything I can find, Toro Rosso have done their own manufacturing of a design they bought, and that at least seems to fit into the loophole.
I agree with you though Stu, by the time this is all resolved it's going to be academic.
I do wonder who Spyker will by buying their car from next season though...
From everything I can find, Toro Rosso have done their own manufacturing of a design they bought, and that at least seems to fit into the loophole.
I agree with you though Stu, by the time this is all resolved it's going to be academic.
I do wonder who Spyker will by buying their car from next season though...
| RALLYT-WRX | 03-26-2007 09:03 PM |
For your viewing pleasure to help you through the week:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfnsbXmtvU[/url]
Enjoy!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfnsbXmtvU[/url]
Enjoy!
| westcle | 03-26-2007 11:28 PM |
[quote=RALLYT-WRX;17495117]For your viewing pleasure to help you through the week:
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfnsbXmtvU[/URL]
Enjoy![/quote]
Uh-oh
" This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Formula One Management"
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfnsbXmtvU[/URL]
Enjoy![/quote]
Uh-oh
" This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Formula One Management"
| Ferg | 03-26-2007 11:31 PM |
It's Bernie. Cheese it!
That's a shame. I watched the video and immediately lamented the lack of quality in-car footage [i]during[/i] races. I thought what a wonderful idea it would be for Bernie to release all the in-car footage online after a race.
Alas I might as well wait by my mailbox for that Williams driver's contract. I'm sure Frank and Patrick got my emails....
That's a shame. I watched the video and immediately lamented the lack of quality in-car footage [i]during[/i] races. I thought what a wonderful idea it would be for Bernie to release all the in-car footage online after a race.
Alas I might as well wait by my mailbox for that Williams driver's contract. I'm sure Frank and Patrick got my emails....
| artkevin | 03-26-2007 11:45 PM |
Just caught it. I agree on all points. Why not let us see it. It's impossible to see a full lap on track from the onboard any time other then when they show the pole lap before the red lights go out.
Why would they take that clip down but not ALL the others on the internets and youtube? Doesn't FOM own pretty much all moving footage of the cars on race weekends?
Why would they take that clip down but not ALL the others on the internets and youtube? Doesn't FOM own pretty much all moving footage of the cars on race weekends?
| KAX | 03-27-2007 12:34 AM |
one of them works, the first one under related. none of the others will load.
| RALLYT-WRX | 03-27-2007 07:55 AM |
Damn! Sorry guys.
Bernie once again trying to take the Fun out of F1.......
Bernie once again trying to take the Fun out of F1.......
| StuBeck | 03-27-2007 08:41 AM |
I don't think Bernie is simply doing this to take the "Fun out of F1." Its copyrighted material that they own which is illegally being posted. I think they should be posting stuff like this, but until they do, its okay for them to remove it.
This is why I don't tell a lot of people about this one torrent site I am on. Its 4k of us and its been around for a few years, where the previously known one was shut down within six months. At least we don't have a promo during the race saying that we can't talk about the race, like the NFL does.
This is why I don't tell a lot of people about this one torrent site I am on. Its 4k of us and its been around for a few years, where the previously known one was shut down within six months. At least we don't have a promo during the race saying that we can't talk about the race, like the NFL does.
| StuBeck | 03-27-2007 10:21 AM |
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57650[/url]
No more flexible floor.
No more flexible floor.
| Ferg | 03-27-2007 10:21 AM |
FIA doing other things besides trolling YouTube.
Dammit Stu! :lol:
[QUOTE]FIA acts on movable floor controversy
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 27th 2007, 13:05 GMT
The FIA has modified its bodywork tests to ensure a floor mounting system used primarily by Ferrari does not circumvent the regulations, autosport.com can reveal, after McLaren asked the governing body for a clarification over the matter.
The issue of movable floors reached a head at the Australian Grand Prix when McLaren boss Ron Dennis suggested that some rivals had interpreted the rules in a way that his team did not agree with.
Although he did not specifically name Ferrari or mention the area of movable floors - sources subsequently revealed that his team were primarily concerned about a spring device fitted to the front section of the F2007 floor.
Article 3.17.4 of Formula One's technical regulations states that no bodywork, such as the floor, can deflect more than 5mm vertically when exposed to a 500 Newton load upward.
The spring device was allegedly calibrated to have enough resistance to allow the floor to pass this FIA flexibility test when the car was in the garage, but then give way when the car was exposed to higher forces out on the circuit.
This would potentially allow the front of the floor to rise up when the car is at speed, which would improve its aerodynamics and specifically increase straight-line speed.
McLaren became aware of Ferrari's device, believed to be used by BMW Sauber as well, early in the Melbourne weekend. Subsequently, autosport.com has learned that McLaren's engineering director Paddy Lowe wrote to the FIA in Australia, asking if his team could fit a similar system to their car.
In his letter, which also contained a diagram of McLaren's plans, Lowe wrote: "We would like to consider the installation of a mechanism on the front of our floor, consisting of springs and pivots.
"By a suitable arrangement and configuration of the springs (rates and preloads) within this mechanism, we will be able to control the flexibility of the bib so as to meet the requirements of the test specified in Article 3.17.4, but to otherwise allow greater flexibility at higher loads by a non-linear characteristic."
Lowe's letter was clearly aimed at clarifying whether or not the use of such a device was deemed legal if its sole intention was to get around the FIA's flexibility tests.
A week later, FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting responded to McLaren, and in a letter also distributed to every other team, he clarified the allowed usage of such a device - and revealed that bodywork testing would be altered accordingly.
Whiting wrote: "The test described in Article 3.17.4 is intended to test the flexibility of bodywork in that area, not the resistance of a device fitted for the purpose of allowing the bodywork to move further once the maximum test load is exceeded.
"Quite clearly, any such device would be designed to permit flexibility and is therefore strictly prohibited by Article 3.15 of the Technical Regulations.
"We have no objection to a device in this area which is fitted to prevent the bodywork from moving downwards, provided it is clear that it is not designed to circumvent the test described in Article 3.17.4.
"Therefore, with immediate effect, we will be testing bodywork in the relevant area with any such devices removed."
The move could effectively outlaw Ferrari's system, which would be a welcome boost to McLaren after Ferrari dominated the first round of the championship.
"We are going to improve our car one tenth to two tenths every single race weekend, and that is now the race that is on," Whitmarsh said in Australia.
"If Ferrari respond and they can improve at the same rate or quicker than us, then we will find it tough. If they cannot, we will overhaul them. And that is the challenge.
"They are a strong, competent team and that is why we are in F1 - that is why we enjoy that challenge, that chase, and we will be pushing hard this year."[/QUOTE]
Dammit Stu! :lol:
[QUOTE]FIA acts on movable floor controversy
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 27th 2007, 13:05 GMT
The FIA has modified its bodywork tests to ensure a floor mounting system used primarily by Ferrari does not circumvent the regulations, autosport.com can reveal, after McLaren asked the governing body for a clarification over the matter.
The issue of movable floors reached a head at the Australian Grand Prix when McLaren boss Ron Dennis suggested that some rivals had interpreted the rules in a way that his team did not agree with.
Although he did not specifically name Ferrari or mention the area of movable floors - sources subsequently revealed that his team were primarily concerned about a spring device fitted to the front section of the F2007 floor.
Article 3.17.4 of Formula One's technical regulations states that no bodywork, such as the floor, can deflect more than 5mm vertically when exposed to a 500 Newton load upward.
The spring device was allegedly calibrated to have enough resistance to allow the floor to pass this FIA flexibility test when the car was in the garage, but then give way when the car was exposed to higher forces out on the circuit.
This would potentially allow the front of the floor to rise up when the car is at speed, which would improve its aerodynamics and specifically increase straight-line speed.
McLaren became aware of Ferrari's device, believed to be used by BMW Sauber as well, early in the Melbourne weekend. Subsequently, autosport.com has learned that McLaren's engineering director Paddy Lowe wrote to the FIA in Australia, asking if his team could fit a similar system to their car.
In his letter, which also contained a diagram of McLaren's plans, Lowe wrote: "We would like to consider the installation of a mechanism on the front of our floor, consisting of springs and pivots.
"By a suitable arrangement and configuration of the springs (rates and preloads) within this mechanism, we will be able to control the flexibility of the bib so as to meet the requirements of the test specified in Article 3.17.4, but to otherwise allow greater flexibility at higher loads by a non-linear characteristic."
Lowe's letter was clearly aimed at clarifying whether or not the use of such a device was deemed legal if its sole intention was to get around the FIA's flexibility tests.
A week later, FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting responded to McLaren, and in a letter also distributed to every other team, he clarified the allowed usage of such a device - and revealed that bodywork testing would be altered accordingly.
Whiting wrote: "The test described in Article 3.17.4 is intended to test the flexibility of bodywork in that area, not the resistance of a device fitted for the purpose of allowing the bodywork to move further once the maximum test load is exceeded.
"Quite clearly, any such device would be designed to permit flexibility and is therefore strictly prohibited by Article 3.15 of the Technical Regulations.
"We have no objection to a device in this area which is fitted to prevent the bodywork from moving downwards, provided it is clear that it is not designed to circumvent the test described in Article 3.17.4.
"Therefore, with immediate effect, we will be testing bodywork in the relevant area with any such devices removed."
The move could effectively outlaw Ferrari's system, which would be a welcome boost to McLaren after Ferrari dominated the first round of the championship.
"We are going to improve our car one tenth to two tenths every single race weekend, and that is now the race that is on," Whitmarsh said in Australia.
"If Ferrari respond and they can improve at the same rate or quicker than us, then we will find it tough. If they cannot, we will overhaul them. And that is the challenge.
"They are a strong, competent team and that is why we are in F1 - that is why we enjoy that challenge, that chase, and we will be pushing hard this year."[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 03-27-2007 10:36 AM |
Sepang, day one.
[QUOTE][B][U]Kubica fastest on day one at Sepang
[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 27th 2007, 09:09 GMT
Robert Kubica maintained BMW-Sauber's impressive early season form with the quickest time on the opening day of testing at Sepang on Tuesday.
The Polish driver, who was forced to retire from the season opening Australian Grand Prix with gearbox problems, edged out world championship leader Kimi Raikkonen by just more than one tenth of a second.
Kubica's F1.07 car featured new aerodynamic solutions for the Sepang circuit, as well as modifications to the gearbox that the team hoped would overcome the problem he suffered at Albert Park.
Behind Raikkonen, Williams' Alexander Wurz showed improved form for his team - as the outfit spent time focusing on improving their single-lap pace and evaluating tyre options.
"The set-up is not good so that is what I worked on," Wurz told autosport.com.
"I tried two different sets of tyres, there is a big difference between the two so we have to see."
The Austrian also evaluated new Bridgestone tyre markings late in the day.
Rubens Barrichello showed some slightly better pace from Honda Racing after their disastrous Australian Grand Prix. The new RA107 was fitted with new front suspension components and their revised aero package, with the team trying to establish back-to-back tests to work out how much better the new parts are.
McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa, who hands over his car to Lewis Hamilton tomorrow, was fifth fastest, ahead of Toyota's Franck Montagny who brought out the only red flag of the day when his car stopped with suspected drivetrain problems just before lunch, but was able to rejoin and continue evaluating tyre compounds.
"We had a couple of problems which stopped me but in the afternoon we did some long runs with both sets," Montagny told autosport.com.
"I thought there was a big difference between the two but in the long run it was not so much, at least to us. The car was getting better and the track condition improved too."
Takuma Sato began work for Super Aguri to set the seventh fastest time but new aerodynamic parts due to be evaluated for the Malaysian Grand Prix only arrived late in the day so will not be run until tomorrow.
Behind eighth fastest David Coulthard, Nelson Piquet Jr. tried some minor engine modifications on the R27 but was compromised by mechanical issues that limited his mileage.
"Unfortunately, Nelson didn't manage to do much running today after we experienced some problems," said Renault's chief test engineer Christian Silk.
"Even so, we managed to get a decent baseline set-up for the car, and the balance is now good enough to continue our planned programme tomorrow with Heikki."
Toro Rosso's Scott Speed was the slowest out of the 10 cars present.
Tuesday's testing times:
Pos Driver Make Time Laps
1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:36.187 92
2. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:36.302 54
3. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:36.334 89
4. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:36.826 82
5. De la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:37.106 60
6. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:37.267 73
7. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:37.389 72
8. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:37.609 82
9. Piquet Renault (B) 1:38.199 32
10. Speed Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:38.503 69
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Kubica fastest on day one at Sepang
[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 27th 2007, 09:09 GMT
Robert Kubica maintained BMW-Sauber's impressive early season form with the quickest time on the opening day of testing at Sepang on Tuesday.
The Polish driver, who was forced to retire from the season opening Australian Grand Prix with gearbox problems, edged out world championship leader Kimi Raikkonen by just more than one tenth of a second.
Kubica's F1.07 car featured new aerodynamic solutions for the Sepang circuit, as well as modifications to the gearbox that the team hoped would overcome the problem he suffered at Albert Park.
Behind Raikkonen, Williams' Alexander Wurz showed improved form for his team - as the outfit spent time focusing on improving their single-lap pace and evaluating tyre options.
"The set-up is not good so that is what I worked on," Wurz told autosport.com.
"I tried two different sets of tyres, there is a big difference between the two so we have to see."
The Austrian also evaluated new Bridgestone tyre markings late in the day.
Rubens Barrichello showed some slightly better pace from Honda Racing after their disastrous Australian Grand Prix. The new RA107 was fitted with new front suspension components and their revised aero package, with the team trying to establish back-to-back tests to work out how much better the new parts are.
McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa, who hands over his car to Lewis Hamilton tomorrow, was fifth fastest, ahead of Toyota's Franck Montagny who brought out the only red flag of the day when his car stopped with suspected drivetrain problems just before lunch, but was able to rejoin and continue evaluating tyre compounds.
"We had a couple of problems which stopped me but in the afternoon we did some long runs with both sets," Montagny told autosport.com.
"I thought there was a big difference between the two but in the long run it was not so much, at least to us. The car was getting better and the track condition improved too."
Takuma Sato began work for Super Aguri to set the seventh fastest time but new aerodynamic parts due to be evaluated for the Malaysian Grand Prix only arrived late in the day so will not be run until tomorrow.
Behind eighth fastest David Coulthard, Nelson Piquet Jr. tried some minor engine modifications on the R27 but was compromised by mechanical issues that limited his mileage.
"Unfortunately, Nelson didn't manage to do much running today after we experienced some problems," said Renault's chief test engineer Christian Silk.
"Even so, we managed to get a decent baseline set-up for the car, and the balance is now good enough to continue our planned programme tomorrow with Heikki."
Toro Rosso's Scott Speed was the slowest out of the 10 cars present.
Tuesday's testing times:
Pos Driver Make Time Laps
1. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:36.187 92
2. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:36.302 54
3. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:36.334 89
4. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:36.826 82
5. De la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:37.106 60
6. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:37.267 73
7. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:37.389 72
8. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:37.609 82
9. Piquet Renault (B) 1:38.199 32
10. Speed Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:38.503 69
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
| artkevin | 03-27-2007 05:55 PM |
Trying out new ways of showing tire compunds
[B]Bridgestone to change tyre marking[/B]
27 March 2007
Bridgestone is trying out various tyre markings at the Sepang test as they look to change the marking system, which was put in place to distinguish the two different type of tyre compounds.
The regulation was introduced just prior to the season and the three-centimetre diameter white circle that was painted on the soft tyres for the Australian Grand Prix proved to be not visible enough.
On the first day of testing at Sepang, Alexander Wurz tested two different options on the tyres of his Williams. The first was a big red dot on the outside of the tyre and the second was a white line sprayed around the circumference of the tyre next to the grooves.
Bridgestone will make the decision itself as to which option to go for before the Malaysian Grand Prix.
A spokesperson for Bridgestone told GPUpdate.net: "We are currently looking at alternative tyre markings at the test in Malaysia. There is no confirmation yet as to which one we will choose. The decision will be made once we have reviewed the video analysis and discussed the matter internally."
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/70630.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/70621.jpg[/IMG]
[B]Bridgestone to change tyre marking[/B]
27 March 2007
Bridgestone is trying out various tyre markings at the Sepang test as they look to change the marking system, which was put in place to distinguish the two different type of tyre compounds.
The regulation was introduced just prior to the season and the three-centimetre diameter white circle that was painted on the soft tyres for the Australian Grand Prix proved to be not visible enough.
On the first day of testing at Sepang, Alexander Wurz tested two different options on the tyres of his Williams. The first was a big red dot on the outside of the tyre and the second was a white line sprayed around the circumference of the tyre next to the grooves.
Bridgestone will make the decision itself as to which option to go for before the Malaysian Grand Prix.
A spokesperson for Bridgestone told GPUpdate.net: "We are currently looking at alternative tyre markings at the test in Malaysia. There is no confirmation yet as to which one we will choose. The decision will be made once we have reviewed the video analysis and discussed the matter internally."
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/70630.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/70621.jpg[/IMG]
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 03-27-2007 06:17 PM |
I like the groove idea, that way we may also see how they are wearing.
| grippgoat | 03-27-2007 06:41 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;17505905]I like the groove idea, that way we may also see how they are wearing.[/QUOTE]
I like the grooves, too. As an added bonus, it would let the drivers see what kind of tires the person in front of them is on, and help them decide how aggressive to be with a pass.
-Mike
I like the grooves, too. As an added bonus, it would let the drivers see what kind of tires the person in front of them is on, and help them decide how aggressive to be with a pass.
-Mike
| StuBeck | 03-27-2007 07:07 PM |
I think it is fairly obvious which one is better. The groove is shown with the car in motion, the dot, isn't.
| KAX | 03-27-2007 07:41 PM |
yes but is the groove visible from a side shot? the people in the stands might not be able to see it
| TimStevens | 03-27-2007 07:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17497373]It's Bernie. Cheese it!
That's a shame. I watched the video and immediately lamented the lack of quality in-car footage [i]during[/i] races. I thought what a wonderful idea it would be for Bernie to release all the in-car footage online after a race.
Alas I might as well wait by my mailbox for that Williams driver's contract. I'm sure Frank and Patrick got my emails....[/QUOTE]
There's actually a PPV channel in Europe that has nothing but in-car footage of the races. You can usually find recordings on the usual suspects after the race.
That's a shame. I watched the video and immediately lamented the lack of quality in-car footage [i]during[/i] races. I thought what a wonderful idea it would be for Bernie to release all the in-car footage online after a race.
Alas I might as well wait by my mailbox for that Williams driver's contract. I'm sure Frank and Patrick got my emails....[/QUOTE]
There's actually a PPV channel in Europe that has nothing but in-car footage of the races. You can usually find recordings on the usual suspects after the race.
| Ferg | 03-27-2007 09:51 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens;17507036]There's actually a PPV channel in Europe that has nothing but in-car footage of the races. You can usually find recordings on the usual suspects after the race.[/QUOTE]
I think that's where the now removed video came from.
It certainly looked like whoever made it was just switching from car to car.
Yet another reason to move to the UK. :(
I think that's where the now removed video came from.
It certainly looked like whoever made it was just switching from car to car.
Yet another reason to move to the UK. :(
| Ferg | 03-28-2007 10:36 AM |
Sepang, day two.
[QUOTE][B][U]Raikkonen sets blistering Sepang pace
[/U][/B]
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, March 28th 2007, 09:11 GMT
Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen set a blistering pace on the second day of testing at the Sepang circuit, where 10 of the 11 Formula One teams are working this week.
The Finn driver, winner of the season-opening Australian Grand Prix, posted a best time of 1:35.268 to edge his nearest rival by nearly half a second after 61 laps.
Raikkonen's time was almost a whole second quicker than yesterday's best, set by BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica.
The day was again sunny and hot, with air temperatures of 34 degrees Celsius and track temperatures reaching 54.
Raikkonen, the only Ferrari driver on track, outpaced Williams' Alexander Wurz, who enjoyed another promising session with the Toyota-powered FW29. The Austrian managed a total of 114 laps, the most by any driver today.
Scot David Coulthard also had a strong day for Red Bull Racing, setting the third fastest time as the team continue to work on making progress with their RB3.
Ralf Schumacher, taking over from Toyota's third driver Franck Montagny, finished in fourth, the German continuing with set-up comparison work ahead of the Malaysian Grand Prix next week.
Schumacher caused one of the three red flags of the day when he spun around 15:20.
"It was a reasonable day," Schumacher told autosport.com. "There were no mechanical problems, which was positive. Basically we prepared for the race, we tried both tyres and we have some interesting data to chase tonight."
Kubica showed BMW Sauber are making progress with their reliability after covering nearly two Grand Prix distances with the F1.07. The Pole was fifth quickest, ahead of McLaren's Lewis Hamilton, who joined the test today replacing test driver Pedro de la Rosa.
Hamilton's day finished two minutes early when he stopped on track just as the session was about to end.
The Super Aguri team had their two drivers in action, with Anthony Davidson returning to work after injuring his back at the Australian Grand Prix.
With testing rules allowing teams to run with just one car, Davidson shared his car with teammate Takuma Sato, who drove in the morning.
Super Aguri were used by Bridgestone to test a new tyre marking, after the red dot tested yesterday did not prove successful.
Brazilian Rubens Barrichello, eighth quickest for Honda, caused the other red flag of the day when his engine blew up just half an hour into the session. He still managed to finish ahead of teammate Jenson Button, who drove in the afternoon but covered just 24 laps.
The Honda drivers were split by Renault's Heikki Kovalainen, ninth fastest after a good day of work.
"This was a pretty positive first day for me," said the Finn. "It is great fun driving here. The conditions are incredibly hot, but the track was really enjoyable to drive. I felt comfortable straight away, was able to push hard and the times were consistent.
"The balance of the car was pretty good, and we did some interesting tests. We learned a lot today, and we will try and build on that tomorrow."
Toro Rosso were the third team with two drivers on track, Tonio Liuzzi joining Scott Speed for the day.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:35.268 61
2. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:35.702 114
3. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:35.712 87
4. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:35.751 81
5. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:35.887 111
6. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:36.115 69
7. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:36.306 63
8. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:36.563 36
9. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:36.578 86
10. Button Honda (B) 1:36.617 24
11. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:37.876 39
12. Speed Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:37.910 36
13. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:37.971 32
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Raikkonen sets blistering Sepang pace
[/U][/B]
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, March 28th 2007, 09:11 GMT
Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen set a blistering pace on the second day of testing at the Sepang circuit, where 10 of the 11 Formula One teams are working this week.
The Finn driver, winner of the season-opening Australian Grand Prix, posted a best time of 1:35.268 to edge his nearest rival by nearly half a second after 61 laps.
Raikkonen's time was almost a whole second quicker than yesterday's best, set by BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica.
The day was again sunny and hot, with air temperatures of 34 degrees Celsius and track temperatures reaching 54.
Raikkonen, the only Ferrari driver on track, outpaced Williams' Alexander Wurz, who enjoyed another promising session with the Toyota-powered FW29. The Austrian managed a total of 114 laps, the most by any driver today.
Scot David Coulthard also had a strong day for Red Bull Racing, setting the third fastest time as the team continue to work on making progress with their RB3.
Ralf Schumacher, taking over from Toyota's third driver Franck Montagny, finished in fourth, the German continuing with set-up comparison work ahead of the Malaysian Grand Prix next week.
Schumacher caused one of the three red flags of the day when he spun around 15:20.
"It was a reasonable day," Schumacher told autosport.com. "There were no mechanical problems, which was positive. Basically we prepared for the race, we tried both tyres and we have some interesting data to chase tonight."
Kubica showed BMW Sauber are making progress with their reliability after covering nearly two Grand Prix distances with the F1.07. The Pole was fifth quickest, ahead of McLaren's Lewis Hamilton, who joined the test today replacing test driver Pedro de la Rosa.
Hamilton's day finished two minutes early when he stopped on track just as the session was about to end.
The Super Aguri team had their two drivers in action, with Anthony Davidson returning to work after injuring his back at the Australian Grand Prix.
With testing rules allowing teams to run with just one car, Davidson shared his car with teammate Takuma Sato, who drove in the morning.
Super Aguri were used by Bridgestone to test a new tyre marking, after the red dot tested yesterday did not prove successful.
Brazilian Rubens Barrichello, eighth quickest for Honda, caused the other red flag of the day when his engine blew up just half an hour into the session. He still managed to finish ahead of teammate Jenson Button, who drove in the afternoon but covered just 24 laps.
The Honda drivers were split by Renault's Heikki Kovalainen, ninth fastest after a good day of work.
"This was a pretty positive first day for me," said the Finn. "It is great fun driving here. The conditions are incredibly hot, but the track was really enjoyable to drive. I felt comfortable straight away, was able to push hard and the times were consistent.
"The balance of the car was pretty good, and we did some interesting tests. We learned a lot today, and we will try and build on that tomorrow."
Toro Rosso were the third team with two drivers on track, Tonio Liuzzi joining Scott Speed for the day.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:35.268 61
2. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:35.702 114
3. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:35.712 87
4. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:35.751 81
5. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:35.887 111
6. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:36.115 69
7. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:36.306 63
8. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:36.563 36
9. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:36.578 86
10. Button Honda (B) 1:36.617 24
11. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:37.876 39
12. Speed Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:37.910 36
13. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:37.971 32
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| Draken | 03-28-2007 11:30 AM |
I love those Rays wheels on the Williams.
| NYEJ25 | 03-28-2007 11:31 AM |
Hey guys,
We haven't had a batracer series in a while and they just release the 07 car sets. I started a private NASIOC game, so everyone should join.
[url]www.batracer.com[/url]
ID: 12536
Password: 1234
Tell all your friends.
We haven't had a batracer series in a while and they just release the 07 car sets. I started a private NASIOC game, so everyone should join.
[url]www.batracer.com[/url]
ID: 12536
Password: 1234
Tell all your friends.
| Indocti Discant | 03-28-2007 01:19 PM |
[quote=NYEJ25;17514364]Hey guys,
We haven't had a batracer series in a while and they just release the 07 car sets. I started a private NASIOC game, so everyone should join.
[URL="http://www.batracer.com"]www.batracer.com[/URL]
ID: 12536
Password: 1234
Tell all your friends.[/quote]
how exactly do you play?
We haven't had a batracer series in a while and they just release the 07 car sets. I started a private NASIOC game, so everyone should join.
[URL="http://www.batracer.com"]www.batracer.com[/URL]
ID: 12536
Password: 1234
Tell all your friends.[/quote]
how exactly do you play?
| NYEJ25 | 03-28-2007 01:44 PM |
You have to work with your teammate to get a good setup on your car. You set your drivers tendency's and your race strategy and the program simulates the race. It is good fun.
We had a few different series last year, I figured I would start one for this season.
We had a few different series last year, I figured I would start one for this season.
| gellar | 03-28-2007 07:35 PM |
Damn - all full on private games else I'd join.
gellar
gellar
| wvallwheeldrive | 03-28-2007 09:14 PM |
If i was bridgestone i would just put the red sidewall on them. What could bernie do about it
| StuBeck | 03-28-2007 11:34 PM |
Remove your ability to be the tyre supplier for next year.
| OnTheGas | 03-29-2007 02:55 AM |
Kimi's Motor Suspect For Sepang
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This story is significant, since it may cost Kimi a few points:
[quote][i][URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57638"]Ferrari to inspect Kimi's motor[/URL][/i]
Ferrari are to take a close look at Kimi Raikkonen's engine at the Malaysian Grand Prix to see if it needs to be changed following the minor problems he had in the closing stages of the Australia race.
Raikkonen dominated at Albert Park two weeks ago, but was instructed to slow down in the closing stages because of issues the team had picked up on their telemetry.
Ferrari's engine chief Gilles Simon said: "We had a small water leakage so the pressure dropped a little. And we were concerned about water temperature of course. That is why we asked him to be careful."
With engines needing to last two-race weekends, those small problems will be a concern for Malaysia - where high temperatures and long straights put extra stress on the power units.
Should the team feel that Raikkonen's engine may not last the full race distance then they may opt to change it prior to qualifying. This would hand the world championship leader a [B]ten-place grid penalty[/B]...[/quote]In an interview, Kimi said the motor temp had started to climb as well on Sunday.
So championship implications (it's not too early to think about championships). :)
[quote][i][URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57638"]Ferrari to inspect Kimi's motor[/URL][/i]
Ferrari are to take a close look at Kimi Raikkonen's engine at the Malaysian Grand Prix to see if it needs to be changed following the minor problems he had in the closing stages of the Australia race.
Raikkonen dominated at Albert Park two weeks ago, but was instructed to slow down in the closing stages because of issues the team had picked up on their telemetry.
Ferrari's engine chief Gilles Simon said: "We had a small water leakage so the pressure dropped a little. And we were concerned about water temperature of course. That is why we asked him to be careful."
With engines needing to last two-race weekends, those small problems will be a concern for Malaysia - where high temperatures and long straights put extra stress on the power units.
Should the team feel that Raikkonen's engine may not last the full race distance then they may opt to change it prior to qualifying. This would hand the world championship leader a [B]ten-place grid penalty[/B]...[/quote]In an interview, Kimi said the motor temp had started to climb as well on Sunday.
So championship implications (it's not too early to think about championships). :)
| KAX | 03-29-2007 03:03 AM |
yeh, they are still looking into it as to whether or not they will change it. My guess is they will. No point chancing it. Sacrifice a few points rather then all 10.
| alachua | 03-29-2007 04:15 AM |
During the Speed televising of the practice session, didn't they say they changed the way the penalty worked? Perhaps something along the lines of being allowed an engine change due to failure up to the day of qualifying? I remember them remarking the Renault was carrying something like 8-10 engines to each race.
-Cliff
-Cliff
| StuBeck | 03-29-2007 10:04 AM |
No. Friday testing no longer counts for engine change. Saturday and Sunday still count, so if they changed his engine (which ran at the last GP) they would still have the penalty. The teams could have 8 engine changes on Friday (since they won't be using the engine from Australia) but on Saturday they have to use the engine which ran in Australia.
| Ferg | 03-29-2007 11:33 AM |
Sepang, day three.
[QUOTE][B][U]Hamilton fastest in rain-hit Sepang testing[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 29th 2007, 09:23 GMT
Lewis Hamilton led the way on Thursday's rain-hit third day of testing at Sepang, as changeable weather conditions left drivers and teams frustrated.
An overnight downpour meant the track was soaked for the start of the day and, although it eventually dried up just before lunch, another shower late in the afternoon meant there was only a few hours for drivers to set their best laps.
Hamilton stopped on the track once with an oil leak just after 12pm, but soon got further acclimatized to the Sepang circuit to set a best lap that was two tenths of a second faster than Mark Webber's Red Bull Racing car.
Ralf Schumacher was third quickest for Toyota, while Scuderia Toro Rosso's Vitantonio Liuzzi was just one hundredth of a second behind him.
Felipe Massa, taking over duties from Kimi Raikkonen, was fifth fastest ahead of Nico Rosberg in the Williams and Jenson Button in the Honda - who completed a mammoth 92 laps.
Behind eighth fastest Anthony Davidson in the Super Aguri, Nick Heidfeld had the most dramatic day as his car stopped on track in the morning with an oil leak - which promptly caught fire and damaged the bodywork.
With the mixed conditions limiting dry running today, the teams have decided to extend the test for another day. Only Scuderia Toro Rosso will not stay on for the extra running.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Times Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:35.918 57
2. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:36.138 62
3. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:36.700 69
4. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:36.712 56
5. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:36.947 64
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:37.070 71
7. Button Honda (B) 1:37.472 92
8. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:37.606 44
9. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:38.551 35
10. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:39.654 20
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Hamilton fastest in rain-hit Sepang testing[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 29th 2007, 09:23 GMT
Lewis Hamilton led the way on Thursday's rain-hit third day of testing at Sepang, as changeable weather conditions left drivers and teams frustrated.
An overnight downpour meant the track was soaked for the start of the day and, although it eventually dried up just before lunch, another shower late in the afternoon meant there was only a few hours for drivers to set their best laps.
Hamilton stopped on the track once with an oil leak just after 12pm, but soon got further acclimatized to the Sepang circuit to set a best lap that was two tenths of a second faster than Mark Webber's Red Bull Racing car.
Ralf Schumacher was third quickest for Toyota, while Scuderia Toro Rosso's Vitantonio Liuzzi was just one hundredth of a second behind him.
Felipe Massa, taking over duties from Kimi Raikkonen, was fifth fastest ahead of Nico Rosberg in the Williams and Jenson Button in the Honda - who completed a mammoth 92 laps.
Behind eighth fastest Anthony Davidson in the Super Aguri, Nick Heidfeld had the most dramatic day as his car stopped on track in the morning with an oil leak - which promptly caught fire and damaged the bodywork.
With the mixed conditions limiting dry running today, the teams have decided to extend the test for another day. Only Scuderia Toro Rosso will not stay on for the extra running.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Times Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:35.918 57
2. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:36.138 62
3. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:36.700 69
4. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:36.712 56
5. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:36.947 64
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:37.070 71
7. Button Honda (B) 1:37.472 92
8. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:37.606 44
9. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:38.551 35
10. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:39.654 20
[/QUOTE]
| Dogbert2 | 03-29-2007 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;17525454]This story is significant, since it may cost Kimi a few points:
In an interview, Kimi said the motor temp had started to climb as well on Sunday.
So championship implications (it's not too early to think about championships). :)[/QUOTE]
Or Pick6! :p
In an interview, Kimi said the motor temp had started to climb as well on Sunday.
So championship implications (it's not too early to think about championships). :)[/QUOTE]
Or Pick6! :p
| bemani | 03-29-2007 07:26 PM |
When do F1 tickets usually go on sale? And is there any place to get them at a discount?
Trying to get a ticket for Fuji but ticket's not available on the official site yet.
Trying to get a ticket for Fuji but ticket's not available on the official site yet.
| Patrick L | 03-29-2007 08:41 PM |
So what do you guys think about this talk about F1 under the lights at night.
I think it would be cool.
I think it would be cool.
| Ferg | 03-29-2007 09:07 PM |
I would love to see it but I fear they'd end up lighting the track so much it wouldn't really be that cool. I hope it happens though.
Call me weird but I'd also like to see them require some sort of headlight for a night race...
Call me weird but I'd also like to see them require some sort of headlight for a night race...
| Patrick L | 03-29-2007 09:12 PM |
Be able to see the exhaust flaming and rotors glowing......
| wvallwheeldrive | 03-29-2007 10:08 PM |
[quote=Ferg;17535448]I would love to see it but I fear they'd end up lighting the track so much it wouldn't really be that cool. I hope it happens though.
Call me weird but I'd also like to see them require some sort of headlight for a night race...[/quote]
and lighting the whole track would make it a Gasp NASCAR concept
No it think they where talking about prime time races in Europe not necessiarly night races local track time.
Call me weird but I'd also like to see them require some sort of headlight for a night race...[/quote]
and lighting the whole track would make it a Gasp NASCAR concept
No it think they where talking about prime time races in Europe not necessiarly night races local track time.
| StuBeck | 03-29-2007 10:37 PM |
They were talking about night time races in China, Japan, and other Asian countries. Instead of being shown at 3 in the morning in Europe, they'd be shown at 8 at night. Even with lots of lights, you'll still be able to see lots of sparks and stuff so it'll still be cool.
| KAX | 03-30-2007 12:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17535448]Call me weird but I'd also like to see them require some sort of headlight for a night race...[/QUOTE]
that was exactly what I was hoping for when they mentioned night races. But some nice HID projectors on the F1 cars and race at night. Hopefully it wouldnt be a fully lit track.
that was exactly what I was hoping for when they mentioned night races. But some nice HID projectors on the F1 cars and race at night. Hopefully it wouldnt be a fully lit track.
| SubaruImpreza_power | 03-30-2007 01:36 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;17450390]One of the Williams was sponsored by Bin Laden...and yes, it was Osama's family's company.But you have to remember his family disowned him decades ago.[/QUOTE]
wow.. that I never knew
wow.. that I never knew
| SubaruImpreza_power | 03-30-2007 01:38 AM |
lol still wont ever forget this crash from 2003
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqPGcg8Es30[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqPGcg8Es30[/url]
| RollingRex | 03-30-2007 08:45 AM |
^^^ That race is the reason why I dislike Alonso, he went into that pile of debris way too quick. The car before him slowed down enough to avoid all of it. I know he did not have much experiance back then, but still should have known better.
| StuBeck | 03-30-2007 09:41 AM |
The problem with that race was the tyre rule (could only bring one wet weather tyre...Bridgestone and Michelin brought intermediates) and the flag marshalls. They were flying the yellow flag EVERYWHERE. Alonso said after the race that yes, it was his mistake, but he couldn't drive around the circuit at 10kph because of all of the yellow flags. If they had been smarter with the flags I don't think it would have been an issue.
Remember that Schumacher went off under flying yellows tooin a much more dangerous position on the exit of the senna S's, the safety crew had to jump out of the way of his spinning car.
Remember that Schumacher went off under flying yellows tooin a much more dangerous position on the exit of the senna S's, the safety crew had to jump out of the way of his spinning car.
| StuBeck | 03-30-2007 09:42 AM |
[quote]Traction control banned from 2008
By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 30th 2007, 13:02 GMT
Traction control has been banned from Formula One from the start of next year in a move supported by all teams and rubber-stamped by the FIA.
A meeting of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council earlier this week approved a number of changes to the 2008 F1 Technical Regulations - the most significant of which appears to be a complete ban on traction control.
Article 9.3 of the newly amended rules states: "No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive throttle demand by the driver.
"Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted."
Traction control returned to F1 in 2001 following years of suspicion in the sport that some teams were running clever engine management systems to get around a ban that existed at the time.
It was felt that with it was virtually impossible to guarantee that teams were not running such systems, so the teams agreed the only way forward was to free up the regulations.
However, the move to a standard ECU in 2008 means that it will be easier for the FIA to police engine management systems � and it is believed that this has been the catalyst for engineering such a major rule change.[/quote]
Its official, should make it more interesting next year.
By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 30th 2007, 13:02 GMT
Traction control has been banned from Formula One from the start of next year in a move supported by all teams and rubber-stamped by the FIA.
A meeting of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council earlier this week approved a number of changes to the 2008 F1 Technical Regulations - the most significant of which appears to be a complete ban on traction control.
Article 9.3 of the newly amended rules states: "No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive throttle demand by the driver.
"Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheel spin is not permitted."
Traction control returned to F1 in 2001 following years of suspicion in the sport that some teams were running clever engine management systems to get around a ban that existed at the time.
It was felt that with it was virtually impossible to guarantee that teams were not running such systems, so the teams agreed the only way forward was to free up the regulations.
However, the move to a standard ECU in 2008 means that it will be easier for the FIA to police engine management systems � and it is believed that this has been the catalyst for engineering such a major rule change.[/quote]
Its official, should make it more interesting next year.
| Ferg | 03-30-2007 10:11 AM |
Great, now we just need to keep stability control out. :D
Sepang, day four.
[QUOTE][B][U]Kovalainen fastest as Sepang test ends[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 30th 2007, 09:14 GMT
Heikki Kovalainen finally had something to smile about this week after topping the times on the final day of pre-Malaysian Grand Prix testing in Sepang on Friday.
The Finn, who had a disappointing F1 debut in Australia and was bottom of the timesheets on Thursday, set a confidence-boosting time that was four hundredths of a second faster that Ferrari's Felipe Massa.
With drivers clearly trying out new tyre runs ahead of next weekend's race, Anthony Davidson was a surprise third fastest as Super Aguri's SA07 proved that the form it showed in Australia was not a flash in the pan.
Nico Rosberg was fourth fastest for Williams, with the team having stated this week that they wanted to work on their pace over a single lap following their disappointing qualifying performance in Australia.
Toyota's Franck Montagny was fifth quickest, ahead of BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld and Honda Racing's Jenson Button, who only took part in the morning session.
Lewis Hamilton completed his pre-Malaysian GP preparation in the morning to set the eighth quickest time, before handing over his McLaren to Pedro de la Rosa in the afternoon.
There were a total of five red flags during the session, two of them caused by Kovalainen, who stopped on track at 14:40 and then again at at 15:30.
Heidfeld forced the session to be red-flagged just four minutes in, when he suffered an engine-related problem.
Hamilton was next when he suffered an oil leak around noon, and Mark Webber followed suit two hours later when his Red Bull RB3 came to a halt on track.
The session was again hit by rain, with a downpour around 3pm.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:35.767 55
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:35.808 72
3. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:36.787 68
4. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:37.002 104
5. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:37.206 78
6. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:37.318 70
7. Button Honda (B) 1:37.326 37
8. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:37.448 43
9. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:37.778 42
10. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:38.542 56
11. Klien Honda (B) 1:39.176 25
12. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:39.303 24
All Timing Unofficial
[/QUOTE]
Sepang, day four.
[QUOTE][B][U]Kovalainen fastest as Sepang test ends[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 30th 2007, 09:14 GMT
Heikki Kovalainen finally had something to smile about this week after topping the times on the final day of pre-Malaysian Grand Prix testing in Sepang on Friday.
The Finn, who had a disappointing F1 debut in Australia and was bottom of the timesheets on Thursday, set a confidence-boosting time that was four hundredths of a second faster that Ferrari's Felipe Massa.
With drivers clearly trying out new tyre runs ahead of next weekend's race, Anthony Davidson was a surprise third fastest as Super Aguri's SA07 proved that the form it showed in Australia was not a flash in the pan.
Nico Rosberg was fourth fastest for Williams, with the team having stated this week that they wanted to work on their pace over a single lap following their disappointing qualifying performance in Australia.
Toyota's Franck Montagny was fifth quickest, ahead of BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld and Honda Racing's Jenson Button, who only took part in the morning session.
Lewis Hamilton completed his pre-Malaysian GP preparation in the morning to set the eighth quickest time, before handing over his McLaren to Pedro de la Rosa in the afternoon.
There were a total of five red flags during the session, two of them caused by Kovalainen, who stopped on track at 14:40 and then again at at 15:30.
Heidfeld forced the session to be red-flagged just four minutes in, when he suffered an engine-related problem.
Hamilton was next when he suffered an oil leak around noon, and Mark Webber followed suit two hours later when his Red Bull RB3 came to a halt on track.
The session was again hit by rain, with a downpour around 3pm.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:35.767 55
2. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:35.808 72
3. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:36.787 68
4. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:37.002 104
5. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:37.206 78
6. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:37.318 70
7. Button Honda (B) 1:37.326 37
8. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:37.448 43
9. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:37.778 42
10. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:38.542 56
11. Klien Honda (B) 1:39.176 25
12. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:39.303 24
All Timing Unofficial
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| artkevin | 03-30-2007 10:28 AM |
Great to see traction control out. I like the tech but I don't really like driver's aids. Not violently opposed to it but it's good to see it gone.
| RALLYT-WRX | 03-30-2007 11:17 AM |
That's gonna make the standing starts really fun to watch. :)
| StuBeck | 03-30-2007 11:18 AM |
Poo, keeping with the narrow cars and no slicks. Although the slicks are just a visual thing, and it is still sort of neat I think having the groove on the tyre to make them look different then pretty much every other series out there.
| Ferg | 03-30-2007 11:35 AM |
Bah! Bah I say!
[QUOTE]FIA abandons plans for wider cars, slicks
By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 30th 2007, 14:24 GMT
The FIA has abandoned plans to make Formula One cars wider next year and ditched a move to slick tyres, according to the latest batch of rule changes.
After agreement among the teams, and ratification by the FIA World Motor Sport Council, a number of changes to the 2008 F1 Technical Regulations have been made to go back on ideas originally proposed to improve the racing.
The overall width of the car is being reduced from the scheduled 2000mm to 1800mm, which is its current level. There had been an initial hope that a wider car would increase mechanical grip and therefore reduce the reliance on aerodynamics.
The FIA has also confirmed that, despite plans to change the minimum weight of the cars to 550kg from next year, the rules will remain unchanged and cars will still have to weigh 605kg.
Although there had been earlier suggestions that F1 would move to wider, slick tyres in 2008 because there was a single supplier of rubber, the FIA has now agreed to continue with the current grooved tyres.
There have also been a slight softening of the FIA's engine homologation plans, with teams now being allowed to modify certain parts of the power units from next year.
These include the clutch, trumpet tray, hydraulic pumps, injection systems, alternators, fuel pumps, oil pumps, water pumps, exhaust systems, electronic sensors, electrical looms and spark plugs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]FIA abandons plans for wider cars, slicks
By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 30th 2007, 14:24 GMT
The FIA has abandoned plans to make Formula One cars wider next year and ditched a move to slick tyres, according to the latest batch of rule changes.
After agreement among the teams, and ratification by the FIA World Motor Sport Council, a number of changes to the 2008 F1 Technical Regulations have been made to go back on ideas originally proposed to improve the racing.
The overall width of the car is being reduced from the scheduled 2000mm to 1800mm, which is its current level. There had been an initial hope that a wider car would increase mechanical grip and therefore reduce the reliance on aerodynamics.
The FIA has also confirmed that, despite plans to change the minimum weight of the cars to 550kg from next year, the rules will remain unchanged and cars will still have to weigh 605kg.
Although there had been earlier suggestions that F1 would move to wider, slick tyres in 2008 because there was a single supplier of rubber, the FIA has now agreed to continue with the current grooved tyres.
There have also been a slight softening of the FIA's engine homologation plans, with teams now being allowed to modify certain parts of the power units from next year.
These include the clutch, trumpet tray, hydraulic pumps, injection systems, alternators, fuel pumps, oil pumps, water pumps, exhaust systems, electronic sensors, electrical looms and spark plugs.[/QUOTE]
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