| Wr4wrX | 10-24-2007 12:50 PM |
Really, FIA?...
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[SIZE="4"]Engine development frozen for ten years[/SIZE]
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By Matt Beer Wednesday, October 24th 2007, 13:03 GMT[/B]
The FIA has announced that the current restrictions on engine development will be tightened to a blanket freeze on all changes for ten years from 2008.
The decision was taken at a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris today.
"There will be a total freeze on engine development for a period of 10 years, starting from 2008," said an FIA statement.
"A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period.
"Total freeze means that there will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations."
The extension to the engine freeze comes just days after the manufacturers involved in Formula One submitted a proposed engine rules package for 2010 to 2013 that was intended to help reduce costs and promote more environmentally-friendly technology.
The original engine development freeze was introduced for the start of the 2007 season and was expected to remain in place only until a more radical overhaul of the engine regulations was carried out.
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[SIZE="4"]Engine development frozen for ten years[/SIZE]
[B]
By Matt Beer Wednesday, October 24th 2007, 13:03 GMT[/B]
The FIA has announced that the current restrictions on engine development will be tightened to a blanket freeze on all changes for ten years from 2008.
The decision was taken at a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris today.
"There will be a total freeze on engine development for a period of 10 years, starting from 2008," said an FIA statement.
"A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period.
"Total freeze means that there will be no exceptions for development of certain parts of the engine, as is the case under the current regulations."
The extension to the engine freeze comes just days after the manufacturers involved in Formula One submitted a proposed engine rules package for 2010 to 2013 that was intended to help reduce costs and promote more environmentally-friendly technology.
The original engine development freeze was introduced for the start of the 2007 season and was expected to remain in place only until a more radical overhaul of the engine regulations was carried out.
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| TheRipler | 10-24-2007 12:59 PM |
Pleanty of time to implement lawnmower engines by 2018.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-24-2007 01:29 PM |
Your right Ripler. I just don't know that I have the strength to cut myself off over the off season, I'll probably watch the drivers play around with no traction control and then give up after a rain race.
Jackie Stewart is right, I think. They have a shotgun aimed at both feet.
Jackie Stewart is right, I think. They have a shotgun aimed at both feet.
| StuBeck | 10-24-2007 02:51 PM |
I don't think the engine development freeze is bad at all. I remember all the idiots going "OMG, V8's are horrible" and we've had two of the best championships in years. Same thing with the recent engine freeze. It doesn't affect everything, and saves everyone money.
| TimStevens | 10-24-2007 03:12 PM |
It all depends on whether you can accept that F1 is no longer the pinnacle of automotive technology. I still have a hard time swallowing that ...
| chkltcow | 10-24-2007 03:56 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19808620]I don't think the engine development freeze is bad at all. I remember all the idiots going "OMG, V8's are horrible" and we've had two of the best championships in years. Same thing with the recent engine freeze. It doesn't affect everything, and saves everyone money.[/QUOTE]
Or it means that the standings will be the same in 2018 as they are in 2008, if they're not letting manufacturers develop engines at all.
Or it means that the standings will be the same in 2018 as they are in 2008, if they're not letting manufacturers develop engines at all.
| StuBeck | 10-24-2007 04:13 PM |
I don't believe so, they can still develop a bit of the engine to get better reliability (therefore more power) and the engine also isn't the only thing which gets teams up the grid. The aero is a much bigger reason for the teams doing well.
While I like the higher tech, I like the racing more. I also don't see how this affects them being the pinnacle of motorsports. They lost that in the 80's and 90's.
While I like the higher tech, I like the racing more. I also don't see how this affects them being the pinnacle of motorsports. They lost that in the 80's and 90's.
| bastich | 10-24-2007 05:35 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19806640]McLaren lost 1st because they wouldn't have scored points in Hungry.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, good call.
Thought that was a crap penalty.
And, what is the pinacle of motorsports right now?
Ahh, good call.
Thought that was a crap penalty.
And, what is the pinacle of motorsports right now?
| chkltcow | 10-24-2007 07:58 PM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19811056]Ahh, good call.
Thought that was a crap penalty.
And, what is the pinacle of motorsports right now?[/QUOTE]
Le Mans prototypes :)
They at least get the freedom to experiment with Diesel and turbochargers.
Thought that was a crap penalty.
And, what is the pinacle of motorsports right now?[/QUOTE]
Le Mans prototypes :)
They at least get the freedom to experiment with Diesel and turbochargers.
| REXLR8 | 10-24-2007 10:11 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens;19808888]It all depends on whether you can accept that F1 is no longer the pinnacle of automotive technology. I still have a hard time swallowing that ...[/QUOTE]
ohhhhh whatever dude. name me antother v8 that revs to 20k rpm.
ohhhhh whatever dude. name me antother v8 that revs to 20k rpm.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-24-2007 10:22 PM |
Name me any that do. ;)
Certainly not an F1 motor. :(
Certainly not an F1 motor. :(
| chkltcow | 10-24-2007 10:25 PM |
[QUOTE=REXLR8;19814335]ohhhhh whatever dude. name me antother v8 that revs to 20k rpm.[/QUOTE]
So RPMS are the only measure of technology?
So RPMS are the only measure of technology?
| REXLR8 | 10-24-2007 10:31 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19814481]So RPMS are the only measure of technology?[/QUOTE]
ok NEAR 20kRPM:p . and no, its not the only measure,which should go without saying... but to say f1 isnt the showcase of technology is a little harsh. the engines themselves are technology showcases, which is what i was getting at. anyone who isnt impressed with the power and revs that come out of these engines, and dont reconize it as special is crazy.
ok NEAR 20kRPM:p . and no, its not the only measure,which should go without saying... but to say f1 isnt the showcase of technology is a little harsh. the engines themselves are technology showcases, which is what i was getting at. anyone who isnt impressed with the power and revs that come out of these engines, and dont reconize it as special is crazy.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-24-2007 10:33 PM |
So how fo you think this argument will be in a few years, i preditct it wont be as easy to establish these cars in the same way.
Just because teams throw hundreds of millions of dollars at these cars doesn't mean they are the pinnacle.
Mass dampers were a good technology to showcase that imo, oh wait those were banned.
Just because teams throw hundreds of millions of dollars at these cars doesn't mean they are the pinnacle.
Mass dampers were a good technology to showcase that imo, oh wait those were banned.
| chkltcow | 10-24-2007 10:36 PM |
[QUOTE=REXLR8;19814534]ok NEAR 20kRPM:p . and no, its not the only measure,which should go without saying... but to say f1 isnt the showcase of technology is a little harsh. the engines themselves are technology showcases, which is what i was getting at. anyone who isnt impressed with the power and revs that come out of these engines, and dont reconize it as special is crazy.[/QUOTE]
What Tim and others are saying is that F1 is taking too many steps to curb innovation and technology, therefore it is falling out as the peak of technology.
I personally think the limit on displacement/design of the engine keeps it away from being THE technology series... and FAR too much time is spent on aero design to the point that it hinders the cars ability to actually race each other. Yeah, the cars are still special, but how are they in any way, shape, or form relevant to real road cars?
What Tim and others are saying is that F1 is taking too many steps to curb innovation and technology, therefore it is falling out as the peak of technology.
I personally think the limit on displacement/design of the engine keeps it away from being THE technology series... and FAR too much time is spent on aero design to the point that it hinders the cars ability to actually race each other. Yeah, the cars are still special, but how are they in any way, shape, or form relevant to real road cars?
| artkevin | 10-25-2007 03:09 AM |
I still think the aero is bad argument doesn't hold too much water. If it really is as impossible as everyone says why have we had so many great battles over the past few years?
Kimi on Fissi in Sazuka last year.
Massa and Kubica in China this year.
Button on Schumacher last year at the Hockenhiem Ring.
JPM on Schumacher way back when in Brazil.
Hell, if you look back past P4 there are great head to head battles.
Kimi on Fissi in Sazuka last year.
Massa and Kubica in China this year.
Button on Schumacher last year at the Hockenhiem Ring.
JPM on Schumacher way back when in Brazil.
Hell, if you look back past P4 there are great head to head battles.
| StuBeck | 10-25-2007 03:28 AM |
[QUOTE=bastich;19811056]Ahh, good call.
Thought that was a crap penalty.
And, what is the pinacle of motorsports right now?[/QUOTE]
I would agree that Le Mans prototypes are. They have turbos. People seem to forget all of the huge revolutions in car design that F1 banned in the 80's and 90's. When you remove something which literally gains youseconds per lap, its hard to call yourself the pinnacle of motorsports. Banning something which is essentally a waste of money isn't going to suddenly make you less of a series after that.
Thought that was a crap penalty.
And, what is the pinacle of motorsports right now?[/QUOTE]
I would agree that Le Mans prototypes are. They have turbos. People seem to forget all of the huge revolutions in car design that F1 banned in the 80's and 90's. When you remove something which literally gains youseconds per lap, its hard to call yourself the pinnacle of motorsports. Banning something which is essentally a waste of money isn't going to suddenly make you less of a series after that.
| TimStevens | 10-25-2007 06:52 AM |
[QUOTE=REXLR8;19814335]ohhhhh whatever dude. name me antother v8 that revs to 20k rpm.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I consider a car with traction control, stability control, AWD, and a continuously variable transmission to be quite impressive technologically.
The fact that it gets 65 MPG from a non-diesel engine and costs less than $16,000 is also quite impressive :p
[img]http://www.zcars.com.au/images/2008-honda-fit-rs.jpg[/img]
I dunno, I consider a car with traction control, stability control, AWD, and a continuously variable transmission to be quite impressive technologically.
The fact that it gets 65 MPG from a non-diesel engine and costs less than $16,000 is also quite impressive :p
[img]http://www.zcars.com.au/images/2008-honda-fit-rs.jpg[/img]
| TheRipler | 10-25-2007 10:44 AM |
[QUOTE=REXLR8;19814335]ohhhhh whatever dude. name me antother v8 that revs to 20k rpm.[/QUOTE]
They used to have V10s that went to 20K, which was much more impressive. The V8's were capable of 24K at the onset, and that would undoubtedly be even higher now were it not for the 19K limit.
They used to have V10s that went to 20K, which was much more impressive. The V8's were capable of 24K at the onset, and that would undoubtedly be even higher now were it not for the 19K limit.
| StuBeck | 10-25-2007 11:15 AM |
They weren't capable of that and lasting more than a few laps. The Cosworth V8 engine had some of the worst failures because they were the highest reving engine, and they rarely went about 20k.
| chkltcow | 10-25-2007 12:17 PM |
The 5.5l diesel V12s in the Audi R10 and Peugeot 908 HDi FAP both rev to about 5000rpms, and I still consider them to be pretty damn high tech ;)
| ptclaus98 | 10-25-2007 02:54 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19816777]I still think the aero is bad argument doesn't hold too much water. If it really is as impossible as everyone says why have we had so many great battles over the past few years?
[B]Kimi on Fissi in Sazuka last year. [/B]
Massa and Kubica in China this year.
Button on Schumacher last year at the Hockenhiem Ring.
JPM on Schumacher way back when in Brazil.
Hell, if you look back past P4 there are great head to head battles.[/QUOTE]
Damn! It happened again?!:p And that pass was more Fisi taking the defending line, and being slower out of the chicane.
[B]Kimi on Fissi in Sazuka last year. [/B]
Massa and Kubica in China this year.
Button on Schumacher last year at the Hockenhiem Ring.
JPM on Schumacher way back when in Brazil.
Hell, if you look back past P4 there are great head to head battles.[/QUOTE]
Damn! It happened again?!:p And that pass was more Fisi taking the defending line, and being slower out of the chicane.
| StuBeck | 10-25-2007 03:20 PM |
That was still a great pass.
| artkevin | 10-25-2007 06:36 PM |
Sorry, it was late when I typed that. I meant 2 years ago, since McLaren didn't win a single race last year.
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Hamilton wrongly quoted on gearbox failure[/B][/SIZE]
By Biranit Goren Thursday, October 25th 2007, 13:35 GMT
A leading Formula One journalist has apologised to McLaren for a quote wrongly attributed to Lewis Hamilton, autosport.com has learned.
Hamilton was quoted by Montreal's newspaper La Presse as admitting he himself caused the gearbox problem, which saw him drop from sixth to 18th at the early stages of the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday.
Veteran Formula One journalist Luc Domenjoz' report from the event included a direct quote from Hamilton himself, saying he had pressed the wrong button by mistake on his steering wheel, putting the car into neutral.
The report was immediately quoted by numerous Internet websites and was seen as proof that Hamilton cracked under the pressure of the world championship finale.
However, Domenjoz yesterday admitted that he did not talk to Hamilton and explained that he relied on information he heard in conversation with other journalists, who in turn were quoting what Hamilton had supposedly said to his engineers.
The highly respected Frenchman further explained that he was under deadline constraints and did not have a chance to verify the information with Hamilton himself or with McLaren.
When approached by autosport.com, Domenjoz said: "my mistake was using a quote by Lewis when I did not talk to him myself. I had other verifiable information and I stand by my report, but under the time pressure I made a mistake by using that quote."
The incident comes on the back of ongoing criticism by McLaren team boss Ron Dennis for the damage the Internet medium is causing to media coverage.
"I have said so often, the Internet has been the bane of our lives," he said at Interlagos last weekend. "This is an uncontrolled, unedited, source of information that is fed into the media.
"Of course, I am not critical at all of the media. It just makes it so hard because everything is so instantaneous. You are just spending too much time trying to correct the inaccuracies that come into the system."
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Hamilton wrongly quoted on gearbox failure[/B][/SIZE]
By Biranit Goren Thursday, October 25th 2007, 13:35 GMT
A leading Formula One journalist has apologised to McLaren for a quote wrongly attributed to Lewis Hamilton, autosport.com has learned.
Hamilton was quoted by Montreal's newspaper La Presse as admitting he himself caused the gearbox problem, which saw him drop from sixth to 18th at the early stages of the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday.
Veteran Formula One journalist Luc Domenjoz' report from the event included a direct quote from Hamilton himself, saying he had pressed the wrong button by mistake on his steering wheel, putting the car into neutral.
The report was immediately quoted by numerous Internet websites and was seen as proof that Hamilton cracked under the pressure of the world championship finale.
However, Domenjoz yesterday admitted that he did not talk to Hamilton and explained that he relied on information he heard in conversation with other journalists, who in turn were quoting what Hamilton had supposedly said to his engineers.
The highly respected Frenchman further explained that he was under deadline constraints and did not have a chance to verify the information with Hamilton himself or with McLaren.
When approached by autosport.com, Domenjoz said: "my mistake was using a quote by Lewis when I did not talk to him myself. I had other verifiable information and I stand by my report, but under the time pressure I made a mistake by using that quote."
The incident comes on the back of ongoing criticism by McLaren team boss Ron Dennis for the damage the Internet medium is causing to media coverage.
"I have said so often, the Internet has been the bane of our lives," he said at Interlagos last weekend. "This is an uncontrolled, unedited, source of information that is fed into the media.
"Of course, I am not critical at all of the media. It just makes it so hard because everything is so instantaneous. You are just spending too much time trying to correct the inaccuracies that come into the system."
| cdvma | 10-25-2007 08:26 PM |
So, do we know what caused it then?
| artkevin | 10-25-2007 08:57 PM |
I haven't heard anything yet...
| bastich | 10-25-2007 09:09 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19816885]I would agree that Le Mans prototypes are. They have turbos. People seem to forget all of the huge revolutions in car design that F1 banned in the 80's and 90's. When you remove something which literally gains youseconds per lap, its hard to call yourself the pinnacle of motorsports. Banning something which is essentally a waste of money isn't going to suddenly make you less of a series after that.[/QUOTE]
I think the pinacle of motorsports is whatever can lap the fastest. Over long distances the prototypes are probably unbeatable, but for a 2 hour race...
It is disappointing that F1 is so limited with respect to innovation in some ways. The freeze on engine development and a single tire manufacturer definately don't seem to be advancing automomtive technology. Maybe the FIA is hoping that these limits will force manufacturers to develop automobiles in other ways. Then again... maybe they just want to preserve the status quo.
I think the pinacle of motorsports is whatever can lap the fastest. Over long distances the prototypes are probably unbeatable, but for a 2 hour race...
It is disappointing that F1 is so limited with respect to innovation in some ways. The freeze on engine development and a single tire manufacturer definately don't seem to be advancing automomtive technology. Maybe the FIA is hoping that these limits will force manufacturers to develop automobiles in other ways. Then again... maybe they just want to preserve the status quo.
| REXLR8 | 10-25-2007 09:59 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19814596]What Tim and others are saying is that F1 is taking too many steps to curb innovation and technology, therefore it is falling out as the peak of technology.
but how are they in any way, shape, or form relevant to real road cars?[/QUOTE]
it isnt anywhere near a roadcar, which is why the technology in the cars are showcased. because you dont see it anywhere else. in a few years? who knows. all that i know is that they are still the fastest "cars" in the world and i believe they will be as long as f1 exists. im pretty young and have only been following f1 for a few years, but from what ive read about, 15 years ago a f1 car would have included much much more cool tech stuff than now. so i guess if thats what youre saying, youre right.
but how are they in any way, shape, or form relevant to real road cars?[/QUOTE]
it isnt anywhere near a roadcar, which is why the technology in the cars are showcased. because you dont see it anywhere else. in a few years? who knows. all that i know is that they are still the fastest "cars" in the world and i believe they will be as long as f1 exists. im pretty young and have only been following f1 for a few years, but from what ive read about, 15 years ago a f1 car would have included much much more cool tech stuff than now. so i guess if thats what youre saying, youre right.
| REXLR8 | 10-25-2007 10:05 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19816885]I would agree that Le Mans prototypes are. They have turbos. People seem to forget all of the huge revolutions in car design that F1 banned in the 80's and 90's. When you remove something which literally gains youseconds per lap, its hard to call yourself the pinnacle of motorsports. Banning something which is essentally a waste of money isn't going to suddenly make you less of a series after that.[/QUOTE]
prototypes are deffinitly up there. like formula 1, the powerplants are groundbreaking one of a kinds. turbo diesel....5 years ago if anyone said something about a diesel racecar lemans prototype i would have laughed my ass off. word has it f1 has tossed around new turbo rules for the new generation of engines...
prototypes are deffinitly up there. like formula 1, the powerplants are groundbreaking one of a kinds. turbo diesel....5 years ago if anyone said something about a diesel racecar lemans prototype i would have laughed my ass off. word has it f1 has tossed around new turbo rules for the new generation of engines...
| StuBeck | 10-26-2007 04:09 AM |
The three big technologies that F1 has dropped, for those who don't know, are moveable ground effects in the early 80s, turbo's in the late 80s, and active suspension in 94(as well as many other driver aids.) Other series, Champcar, GP2, Le Mans, WRC, etc have incorporated a few of these since then.
So on a purely technical front, F1 hasn't been the pinnacle in years based on the tech they haven't been allowed to use. Meanwhile they have been the fastest cars because of the constant development. Champcar and GP2 keep the same car with a small amount of change for a few years at a time. Le Mans is very similar. An F1 car keeps on getting faster simply because essentially every year it is a completely new design.
The FIA was talking about bringing turbo V6's back, but decided changing an engine for no reason didn't make much sense.
So on a purely technical front, F1 hasn't been the pinnacle in years based on the tech they haven't been allowed to use. Meanwhile they have been the fastest cars because of the constant development. Champcar and GP2 keep the same car with a small amount of change for a few years at a time. Le Mans is very similar. An F1 car keeps on getting faster simply because essentially every year it is a completely new design.
The FIA was talking about bringing turbo V6's back, but decided changing an engine for no reason didn't make much sense.
| Mad06STi | 10-26-2007 01:18 PM |
Pneumatic valves were a pretty big thing that wasn't banned. But with the engine freeze I don't think we'll be seeing anything else that's cool.
But yes, everything gets banned anyways. Renault's launch system for example.
But yes, everything gets banned anyways. Renault's launch system for example.
| chkltcow | 10-26-2007 02:39 PM |
I found this on the Speed forum today, and it shows another area where LeMans prototypes are far more technologically advanced.
[IMG]http://www.baneverything.org/pictures/lighting.jpg[/IMG]
So... 3,180,000 watts of lighting on the track for F1 cars.... vs. LMP cars with headlights to light their own damn way ;)
[IMG]http://www.baneverything.org/pictures/lighting.jpg[/IMG]
So... 3,180,000 watts of lighting on the track for F1 cars.... vs. LMP cars with headlights to light their own damn way ;)
| TimStevens | 10-26-2007 03:04 PM |
:lol: I never thought of it that way.
| Dogbert2 | 10-26-2007 03:11 PM |
As a fan, I guess I prefer the overhead lighting versus headlights. That way I can see more of the track and cars. You can't always see the cars very well on night time ALMS races.
| TimStevens | 10-26-2007 03:18 PM |
Ahh, I like the night the best. You can see the exhausts and brakes glowing :D
| StuBeck | 10-27-2007 05:38 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19825889]Sorry, it was late when I typed that. I meant 2 years ago, since McLaren didn't win a single race last year.
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[B]
Hamilton wrongly quoted on gearbox failure[/B][/SIZE]
By Biranit Goren Thursday, October 25th 2007, 13:35 GMT
A leading Formula One journalist has apologised to McLaren for a quote wrongly attributed to Lewis Hamilton, autosport.com has learned.
Hamilton was quoted by Montreal's newspaper La Presse as admitting he himself caused the gearbox problem, which saw him drop from sixth to 18th at the early stages of the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday.
Veteran Formula One journalist Luc Domenjoz' report from the event included a direct quote from Hamilton himself, saying he had pressed the wrong button by mistake on his steering wheel, putting the car into neutral.
The report was immediately quoted by numerous Internet websites and was seen as proof that Hamilton cracked under the pressure of the world championship finale.
However, Domenjoz yesterday admitted that he did not talk to Hamilton and explained that he relied on information he heard in conversation with other journalists, who in turn were quoting what Hamilton had supposedly said to his engineers.
The highly respected Frenchman further explained that he was under deadline constraints and did not have a chance to verify the information with Hamilton himself or with McLaren.
When approached by autosport.com, Domenjoz said: "my mistake was using a quote by Lewis when I did not talk to him myself. I had other verifiable information and I stand by my report, but under the time pressure I made a mistake by using that quote."
The incident comes on the back of ongoing criticism by McLaren team boss Ron Dennis for the damage the Internet medium is causing to media coverage.
"I have said so often, the Internet has been the bane of our lives," he said at Interlagos last weekend. "This is an uncontrolled, unedited, source of information that is fed into the media.
"Of course, I am not critical at all of the media. It just makes it so hard because everything is so instantaneous. You are just spending too much time trying to correct the inaccuracies that come into the system."[/QUOTE]
Stuff like this annoys me because essentially the reporter made it up, and people everywhere were gloating about how Hamilton lost his cool. Now no one is going to hear this and continue to go off of the made up crap.
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[B]
Hamilton wrongly quoted on gearbox failure[/B][/SIZE]
By Biranit Goren Thursday, October 25th 2007, 13:35 GMT
A leading Formula One journalist has apologised to McLaren for a quote wrongly attributed to Lewis Hamilton, autosport.com has learned.
Hamilton was quoted by Montreal's newspaper La Presse as admitting he himself caused the gearbox problem, which saw him drop from sixth to 18th at the early stages of the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday.
Veteran Formula One journalist Luc Domenjoz' report from the event included a direct quote from Hamilton himself, saying he had pressed the wrong button by mistake on his steering wheel, putting the car into neutral.
The report was immediately quoted by numerous Internet websites and was seen as proof that Hamilton cracked under the pressure of the world championship finale.
However, Domenjoz yesterday admitted that he did not talk to Hamilton and explained that he relied on information he heard in conversation with other journalists, who in turn were quoting what Hamilton had supposedly said to his engineers.
The highly respected Frenchman further explained that he was under deadline constraints and did not have a chance to verify the information with Hamilton himself or with McLaren.
When approached by autosport.com, Domenjoz said: "my mistake was using a quote by Lewis when I did not talk to him myself. I had other verifiable information and I stand by my report, but under the time pressure I made a mistake by using that quote."
The incident comes on the back of ongoing criticism by McLaren team boss Ron Dennis for the damage the Internet medium is causing to media coverage.
"I have said so often, the Internet has been the bane of our lives," he said at Interlagos last weekend. "This is an uncontrolled, unedited, source of information that is fed into the media.
"Of course, I am not critical at all of the media. It just makes it so hard because everything is so instantaneous. You are just spending too much time trying to correct the inaccuracies that come into the system."[/QUOTE]
Stuff like this annoys me because essentially the reporter made it up, and people everywhere were gloating about how Hamilton lost his cool. Now no one is going to hear this and continue to go off of the made up crap.
| chkltcow | 10-27-2007 11:52 AM |
[QUOTE=Dogbert2;19835839]As a fan, I guess I prefer the overhead lighting versus headlights. That way I can see more of the track and cars. You can't always see the cars very well on night time ALMS races.[/QUOTE]
You don't need to see the cars, you just need to be able to see the racing ;) It's like people complaining about hockey... "I can't keep up with the puck". Stop looking at the puck and start paying attention to everything else going on out there.
It might be more difficult to tell who is who, but with the light system ALMS uses these days, you have an indicator on the side of the cars to tell if they're 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in class... as well as luminescent number plates... so it's not totally impossible. And as Timmy said, the glow of exhausts, brakes, etc is just awesome :D
You don't need to see the cars, you just need to be able to see the racing ;) It's like people complaining about hockey... "I can't keep up with the puck". Stop looking at the puck and start paying attention to everything else going on out there.
It might be more difficult to tell who is who, but with the light system ALMS uses these days, you have an indicator on the side of the cars to tell if they're 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in class... as well as luminescent number plates... so it's not totally impossible. And as Timmy said, the glow of exhausts, brakes, etc is just awesome :D
| Ferg | 10-27-2007 03:11 PM |
I just wanted to throw out a massive THANK YOU to everyone who has posted and followed this thread throughout what has certainly been one of the most excited and frustrating seasons of Grand Prix racing ever.
Thanks guys! :D
Thanks guys! :D
| ArtGecko | 10-27-2007 05:36 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;19843730]I just wanted to throw out a massive THANK YOU to everyone who has posted and followed this thread throughout what has certainly been one of the most excited and frustrating seasons of Grand Prix racing ever.
Thanks guys! :D[/QUOTE]
It's been awesome! This was me back on post number 4 of this thread. ;)
[QUOTE=ArtGecko;16129533]Thanks Ferg. I'm anxious to see the season get started and see how things shake out. I'm a long-time DC fan, and this could be his year! ;)
Let's see if we get 99 pages for this year!
Steve[/QUOTE]
Next year could be DC's year...his last one.
Thanks guys! :D[/QUOTE]
It's been awesome! This was me back on post number 4 of this thread. ;)
[QUOTE=ArtGecko;16129533]Thanks Ferg. I'm anxious to see the season get started and see how things shake out. I'm a long-time DC fan, and this could be his year! ;)
Let's see if we get 99 pages for this year!
Steve[/QUOTE]
Next year could be DC's year...his last one.
| Leonardo | 10-27-2007 07:28 PM |
[quote=Ferg;19843730]I just wanted to throw out a massive THANK YOU to everyone who has posted and followed this thread throughout what has certainly been one of the most excited and frustrating seasons of Grand Prix racing ever.
Thanks guys! :D[/quote]
No kidding! I'm on medication thanks to this season!:lol:
Can't wait till next one!
Thanks guys! :D[/quote]
No kidding! I'm on medication thanks to this season!:lol:
Can't wait till next one!
| Leonardo | 10-27-2007 07:32 PM |
[quote=TimStevens;19835923]Ahh, I like the night the best. You can see the exhausts and brakes glowing :D[/quote]
It's going to be fun looking at this on an F1 car!
It's going to be fun looking at this on an F1 car!
| chkltcow | 10-29-2007 03:27 PM |
Looks like England's favorite son is packing up and leaving the motherland.
[url]http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071029175826.shtml[/url]
[quote]Lewis Hamilton is quitting Britain to live in Switzerland because he has had enough of the constant intrusion into his private life. The McLaren driver burst into the public eye this season as he just missed out on being the youngest driver to claim the world championship after finishing second behind Kimi Raikkonen.
But the 22-year-old is desperate to avoid the intense scrutiny he has been subjected to throughout his debut season.
"I've decided to move to Switzerland," he told the BBC. "You lose your ability to go to places. You really struggle to live a normal life. It's been a really tough year. I've not been able to spend a lot of time with my friends, my family."
"You come home and everyone knows you, it makes it so much harder to do normal things. I can't go to the cinema. I go to the bathroom in a petrol station and people come in there for autographs. It's tough but I knew that was going to be the case."
Hamilton has just had a street named after him in his home town Stevenage, but he can't wait to swap England for the anonymity of Switzerland.
"People don't come up to you. They leave you alone, they give you your space," he said.
Hamilton's meteoric rise was threatened several times by off-track controversy involving McLaren, who were fined $100m after the spy-gate saga. While he believes the Formula One authorities treated his team unfairly last season, he knows they have to stay out of trouble next year.
"They're obviously tough on us, maybe more than on others. Next year, we know what expect. We should keep our heads down, level-headed and just get on with (it). You just focus on your job and just try to keep it squeaky clean, do everything perfect."
Hamilton still has an outside chance of being 2007 world champion if the November 15th hearing into events at Interlagos eight days ago goes McLaren's way. McLaren have appealed the stewards' decision not to penalise Williams Toyota or BMW Sauber for fuel irregularities. Were they disqualified, Hamilton may be handed the points that would see him overhaul Raikkonen, but Hamilton is satisfied with his season regardless.
"The beginning of the season I was saying I just want to do a good job, keep my feet on the ground and just do a good job for the team and not embarrass myself and my family and friends. It's just been a phenomenal rollercoaster. I don't live with regrets. It's something I've learnt to deal with over the years."
"Take a step back. If you'd have said 12 months ago, I'd be challenging for the world championship, finishing second in the world championship, I'd have been happy with it. I've reached my goal, I've got to Formula One. Obviously, there's another step I want to take which is becoming world champion but I'm 22 years old, my first year in Formula One, I've got time to do that."
E.A.
Source AFP[/quote]
[url]http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071029175826.shtml[/url]
[quote]Lewis Hamilton is quitting Britain to live in Switzerland because he has had enough of the constant intrusion into his private life. The McLaren driver burst into the public eye this season as he just missed out on being the youngest driver to claim the world championship after finishing second behind Kimi Raikkonen.
But the 22-year-old is desperate to avoid the intense scrutiny he has been subjected to throughout his debut season.
"I've decided to move to Switzerland," he told the BBC. "You lose your ability to go to places. You really struggle to live a normal life. It's been a really tough year. I've not been able to spend a lot of time with my friends, my family."
"You come home and everyone knows you, it makes it so much harder to do normal things. I can't go to the cinema. I go to the bathroom in a petrol station and people come in there for autographs. It's tough but I knew that was going to be the case."
Hamilton has just had a street named after him in his home town Stevenage, but he can't wait to swap England for the anonymity of Switzerland.
"People don't come up to you. They leave you alone, they give you your space," he said.
Hamilton's meteoric rise was threatened several times by off-track controversy involving McLaren, who were fined $100m after the spy-gate saga. While he believes the Formula One authorities treated his team unfairly last season, he knows they have to stay out of trouble next year.
"They're obviously tough on us, maybe more than on others. Next year, we know what expect. We should keep our heads down, level-headed and just get on with (it). You just focus on your job and just try to keep it squeaky clean, do everything perfect."
Hamilton still has an outside chance of being 2007 world champion if the November 15th hearing into events at Interlagos eight days ago goes McLaren's way. McLaren have appealed the stewards' decision not to penalise Williams Toyota or BMW Sauber for fuel irregularities. Were they disqualified, Hamilton may be handed the points that would see him overhaul Raikkonen, but Hamilton is satisfied with his season regardless.
"The beginning of the season I was saying I just want to do a good job, keep my feet on the ground and just do a good job for the team and not embarrass myself and my family and friends. It's just been a phenomenal rollercoaster. I don't live with regrets. It's something I've learnt to deal with over the years."
"Take a step back. If you'd have said 12 months ago, I'd be challenging for the world championship, finishing second in the world championship, I'd have been happy with it. I've reached my goal, I've got to Formula One. Obviously, there's another step I want to take which is becoming world champion but I'm 22 years old, my first year in Formula One, I've got time to do that."
E.A.
Source AFP[/quote]
| artkevin | 10-29-2007 10:09 PM |
I hate to hear that. It is kind of odd that Fernando moved TO England for the same reason. There is some clips on youtube of Alonso in Spain. It is absolutely insane that he can't eve drive on the highway without causing a traffic jam.
| Ferg | 10-29-2007 11:46 PM |
Since the '07 season is officially over I started a [url=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1376436]~F1 offseason~[/url] thread.
:)
:)
| artkevin | 10-30-2007 01:59 PM |
Good man Ferg!
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