| Bonzo | 02-14-2006 08:04 PM |
Way to go Legge. I will get to see her and many others at Road America this summer for the first time in a few years. :banana:
I remember the six wheeled Tyrells and Mario winning his WC. At that time coswroth ruled as it was basically a spec engine series for a while. They sounded sooooo cool and reved so high.
Niki Laudas crash and then return. :eek:
Then came the turbo era, side skirts, and rock hard suspension to keep the now fixed side skirts sealed. Drivers were coming out of their race cars beaten and bruised. Keke Rosberg was my man and was also [I]the[/I] man.
I also remember watching Gilles and Jaques Villenueve racing snowmobiles on several occasions each winter in the early 70's. Gilles was wild then. His brother amazingly is still competing in this gritty, tough and very physical sport today. He's just like his brother. Jocko also won the very first CART race at Road America.
*looks for my cane* :p
I remember the six wheeled Tyrells and Mario winning his WC. At that time coswroth ruled as it was basically a spec engine series for a while. They sounded sooooo cool and reved so high.
Niki Laudas crash and then return. :eek:
Then came the turbo era, side skirts, and rock hard suspension to keep the now fixed side skirts sealed. Drivers were coming out of their race cars beaten and bruised. Keke Rosberg was my man and was also [I]the[/I] man.
I also remember watching Gilles and Jaques Villenueve racing snowmobiles on several occasions each winter in the early 70's. Gilles was wild then. His brother amazingly is still competing in this gritty, tough and very physical sport today. He's just like his brother. Jocko also won the very first CART race at Road America.
*looks for my cane* :p
| StuBeck | 02-14-2006 08:27 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Damn Stu, have you been watching (and learning about) F1 since you came out of the womb?!?![/QUOTE]
Haha no, really only been following since 99. I am just very good at remembering info about it for some reason. Stuff like school work not so much though, :lol:
Haha no, really only been following since 99. I am just very good at remembering info about it for some reason. Stuff like school work not so much though, :lol:
| StuBeck | 02-14-2006 08:29 PM |
Yea, the DFV engine was awesome forever, it is amazing how long it lasted and was only taken out because of the turbo engine. This is why I'm sort of surprised Red Bull went with Ferrari this year and didn't stay with Cosworth, they have a ton of experience with V8's nd obviously with the Williams it looks like a good choice.
I did see a few of the historic F1 cars at Indy a few years ago, the noise was amazing from them.
My only concern about Legge joining ChampCar is her getting stuck here like so many others have.
I did see a few of the historic F1 cars at Indy a few years ago, the noise was amazing from them.
My only concern about Legge joining ChampCar is her getting stuck here like so many others have.
| artkevin | 02-14-2006 09:34 PM |
I got a feeling she'll get stuck but its not such a bad place to be. I think she would have to put Bourdais in the weeds to make a big enough impression to get an F1 drive. For some reason I don't see that happening. Seb has been amazing for 3 years and can barely get a sniff across the pond. He almost got the ride with Orange Arrows until they went belly up and apperantly he was in talks with BMW Sauber until JV's contract was too much to get out of.
I am pulling for her but I just hope she does well in Champ Car. If she can win a race this year it will be amazing.
I am pulling for her but I just hope she does well in Champ Car. If she can win a race this year it will be amazing.
| StuBeck | 02-14-2006 09:42 PM |
Bourdais problem was he was contracted to Renault, and Flavio does not like him. There are a lot of other F1 teams which do not like Bourdais for whatever reason, I don't think one immediately gets stuck (Look at Montoya and da Matta) but they have to make contacts quickly to get out. It isn't a horrible place to be, but being in the top level is more interesting for the fans if nothing else.
| sirfrankwilliams | 02-14-2006 09:46 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]As long as we are sharing glimpes of greatness.[/QUOTE]
way back machine set to British GP 1990
[img]http://home.pacbell.net/eye4cars/cupboard/GB90.jpg[/img]
hobbs and varsha were at it when I began watching in 1990.
way back machine set to British GP 1990
[img]http://home.pacbell.net/eye4cars/cupboard/GB90.jpg[/img]
hobbs and varsha were at it when I began watching in 1990.
| WRX 2002 | 02-14-2006 10:24 PM |
Its about time "Frank Williams" joined the thread.! Welcome
| FrostyAK | 02-14-2006 10:57 PM |
As we are looking at greatness passed this should be posted. Some of you may have seen it, but it certainly belongs here:
Ayrton Senna in the NSX at Suzuka:
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8561369878817702526&q=senna+nsx[/url]
Speaking of Senna, I was fortunate enough to get a video of two F1 races from 1988 including the Grand Prix of Japan. From what I was told it was the race in which Senna and Prost cemented their hatred and rivalry for one another.
- Chris
Ayrton Senna in the NSX at Suzuka:
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8561369878817702526&q=senna+nsx[/url]
Speaking of Senna, I was fortunate enough to get a video of two F1 races from 1988 including the Grand Prix of Japan. From what I was told it was the race in which Senna and Prost cemented their hatred and rivalry for one another.
- Chris
| artkevin | 02-14-2006 11:17 PM |
Great find Frosty. I wish it was brighter so I could so his foot work a little better but great find none-the-less.
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 08:26 AM |
Morning news...
[QUOTE]Super Aguri confirm Sato, Ide for 2006
Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 07:24 GMT
The Super Aguri Formula One team have confirmed that Takuma Sato and Yuji Ide will be the team's race drivers for the 2006 Formula One season.
The announcement finally confirms the long-held speculation that Sato would drive for the team since the Super Aguri venture was announced late last year, whilst also confirming recent speculation by autosport.com that Ide would be his teammate.
Sato, who drove for Honda-powered Jordan in 2002 and BAR in 2004 and 2005 as well as a one-off appearance for BAR in 2003, will once again be powered by Honda in Super Aguri's debut season.
With his drive now confirmed, Sato is looking forward to the work ahead: "Everyone at Super Aguri has done a great job to make the team happen in such a short period of time. I am extremely excited to be working with the team and especially with Aguri-san who has achieved huge success in motorsport.
"Yesterday I was delighted to shakedown the car for the very first time with all of the boys who have done such a great job. We know that there is a lot of hard work to do, but we are up for the challenge and I am really looking forward to it."
Sato's teammate for 2006, Yuji Ide, is making his Formula One debut alongside the Super Aguri team, following a runner-up result in last year's Formula Nippon series, the premier open-wheel racing series in Japan. Ide also has previous experience in GT and other open-wheel series.
"This year will be very exciting and challenging," said Ide. "I would like to thank Suzuki-san for giving me the opportunity to drive in Formula One.
"I drove an F1 car for the first time yesterday and I was nervous, but very excited. The car is powerful! I would also like to thank the whole team for working so hard to get the car ready for yesterday's shakedown. We had no problems and now I am very much looking forward to testing in Barcelona next week."
With his driving line-up confirmed, Super Aguri team principal Aguri Suzuki is glad to have a pair of experienced racing drivers driving his cars as the team makes its Formula One debut: "I am grateful that these highly experienced drivers are joining my team. Although I expect a tough year as it is our first in Formula One, with these two drivers I will put all my efforts into creating a positive outcome."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Klien happy with revised RB2
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:01 GMT
Austrian Christian Klien praised the performance of the latest version of the Red Bull RB2 car after testing it for the first time on Tuesday.
Klien's car was fitted with new aerodynamic configuration parts that will be used in the first race of the season in Bahrain, featuring a revised bodywork package.
The Red Bull driver posted a promising second quickest time in testing at Valencia yesterday, and admitted he was pleased with the performance of the revised car.
Klien also said the team had solved the cooling problems which had hampered their progress early on.
"The new package we have here is the complete package, and oh yes, it is definitely better," Klien told autosport.com during a break in testing at the Spanish track. "The car as a package is more together now and we have solved the cooling problems too.
"I can actually do better laptimes without too much trouble, it is better packaged now."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Liuzzi: Toro Rosso better than Minardi
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 10:28 GMT
Toro Rosso driver Vitantonio Liuzzi believes his team will be stronger than Minardi in their first season under the new ownership.
Red Bull took over the Minardi team at the end of last year and renamed the squad Toro Rosso, also giving them a cash boost that will help the team move forward.
Liuzzi, who will race for the team alongside American Scott Speed, is confident Toro Rosso will perform better than Minardi, but the Italian admits he is under no illusions for the 2006 season.
"We'll have a hard time until 2007," Liuzzi told Gazzetta dello Sport. "The relaunch started in November, which is too late to be ready now. But the car isn't bad: it improves with each modification.
"We'll be quicker than Minardi, despite the 77mm raised edge on the air intake, limiting the V10's revs to 16,700 per minute."
Toro Rosso will be the only team this season to use a restricted V10 engine.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mosley pushing for fuel efficiency
By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:04 GMT
FIA president Max Mosley is hoping to make Formula One a 'fuel-efficiency' series from the start of 2011 - with perhaps the only restriction on engines being the amount of fuel they use.
Mosley announced this week plans to introduce same-spec engines from 2008 to 2010, with manufacturers forced to lodge their designs by next June, and he has now unveiled his vision for F1 after that date.
With environmental issues becoming more important, he is hoping to change the concept of engine restrictions completely.
"What we are thinking about is a fuel efficiency formula," said Mosley.
"There are various reasons for that, apart from it being politically correct. All the manufacturers are working on fuel efficiency, there are some very interesting things going on, and if there is a big oil crisis which is more than likely in the next few years, then it will be far more defensible if we can say, 'actually we are working on the cutting edge of fuel efficiency.'
"It would either be a limited quantity of fuel to do the best you can, which is the simplest in a way, or a more sophisticated one in saying we will have a fuel valve, where the flow rate was a function of rpm so it was efficient through the whole range of the engine."
Mosley also said the FIA will push to introduce a more environmentally-friendly fuel in the future, but admitted the teams will need time to prepare the technology for that and more fuel-efficient engines.
"The fuel for 2008 is anyway going to be 5.75 percent bio-fuel because that is coming in in 2010 for the whole of the EU and we didn't want to be behind," added Mosley. "But there is an argument that if we go to fuel efficiency of going for a fuel like E85, which is 85 percent ethanol and is available in the States in small quantities, or something of that kind.
"But again, once we have got the championship, we know who is competing, we will want to sit down with them and talk about 2011 and agree before the end of this year so everyone can have a sensible, low-key ongoing R&D programme.
"The manufacturers are doing work on injectors, and spray patterns, and it has a dramatic effect on fuel-efficiency and it would be very sensible to start working on that, but you need a long lead time otherwise it just costs a fortune." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Super Aguri confirm Sato, Ide for 2006
Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 07:24 GMT
The Super Aguri Formula One team have confirmed that Takuma Sato and Yuji Ide will be the team's race drivers for the 2006 Formula One season.
The announcement finally confirms the long-held speculation that Sato would drive for the team since the Super Aguri venture was announced late last year, whilst also confirming recent speculation by autosport.com that Ide would be his teammate.
Sato, who drove for Honda-powered Jordan in 2002 and BAR in 2004 and 2005 as well as a one-off appearance for BAR in 2003, will once again be powered by Honda in Super Aguri's debut season.
With his drive now confirmed, Sato is looking forward to the work ahead: "Everyone at Super Aguri has done a great job to make the team happen in such a short period of time. I am extremely excited to be working with the team and especially with Aguri-san who has achieved huge success in motorsport.
"Yesterday I was delighted to shakedown the car for the very first time with all of the boys who have done such a great job. We know that there is a lot of hard work to do, but we are up for the challenge and I am really looking forward to it."
Sato's teammate for 2006, Yuji Ide, is making his Formula One debut alongside the Super Aguri team, following a runner-up result in last year's Formula Nippon series, the premier open-wheel racing series in Japan. Ide also has previous experience in GT and other open-wheel series.
"This year will be very exciting and challenging," said Ide. "I would like to thank Suzuki-san for giving me the opportunity to drive in Formula One.
"I drove an F1 car for the first time yesterday and I was nervous, but very excited. The car is powerful! I would also like to thank the whole team for working so hard to get the car ready for yesterday's shakedown. We had no problems and now I am very much looking forward to testing in Barcelona next week."
With his driving line-up confirmed, Super Aguri team principal Aguri Suzuki is glad to have a pair of experienced racing drivers driving his cars as the team makes its Formula One debut: "I am grateful that these highly experienced drivers are joining my team. Although I expect a tough year as it is our first in Formula One, with these two drivers I will put all my efforts into creating a positive outcome."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Klien happy with revised RB2
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:01 GMT
Austrian Christian Klien praised the performance of the latest version of the Red Bull RB2 car after testing it for the first time on Tuesday.
Klien's car was fitted with new aerodynamic configuration parts that will be used in the first race of the season in Bahrain, featuring a revised bodywork package.
The Red Bull driver posted a promising second quickest time in testing at Valencia yesterday, and admitted he was pleased with the performance of the revised car.
Klien also said the team had solved the cooling problems which had hampered their progress early on.
"The new package we have here is the complete package, and oh yes, it is definitely better," Klien told autosport.com during a break in testing at the Spanish track. "The car as a package is more together now and we have solved the cooling problems too.
"I can actually do better laptimes without too much trouble, it is better packaged now."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Liuzzi: Toro Rosso better than Minardi
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 10:28 GMT
Toro Rosso driver Vitantonio Liuzzi believes his team will be stronger than Minardi in their first season under the new ownership.
Red Bull took over the Minardi team at the end of last year and renamed the squad Toro Rosso, also giving them a cash boost that will help the team move forward.
Liuzzi, who will race for the team alongside American Scott Speed, is confident Toro Rosso will perform better than Minardi, but the Italian admits he is under no illusions for the 2006 season.
"We'll have a hard time until 2007," Liuzzi told Gazzetta dello Sport. "The relaunch started in November, which is too late to be ready now. But the car isn't bad: it improves with each modification.
"We'll be quicker than Minardi, despite the 77mm raised edge on the air intake, limiting the V10's revs to 16,700 per minute."
Toro Rosso will be the only team this season to use a restricted V10 engine.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mosley pushing for fuel efficiency
By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:04 GMT
FIA president Max Mosley is hoping to make Formula One a 'fuel-efficiency' series from the start of 2011 - with perhaps the only restriction on engines being the amount of fuel they use.
Mosley announced this week plans to introduce same-spec engines from 2008 to 2010, with manufacturers forced to lodge their designs by next June, and he has now unveiled his vision for F1 after that date.
With environmental issues becoming more important, he is hoping to change the concept of engine restrictions completely.
"What we are thinking about is a fuel efficiency formula," said Mosley.
"There are various reasons for that, apart from it being politically correct. All the manufacturers are working on fuel efficiency, there are some very interesting things going on, and if there is a big oil crisis which is more than likely in the next few years, then it will be far more defensible if we can say, 'actually we are working on the cutting edge of fuel efficiency.'
"It would either be a limited quantity of fuel to do the best you can, which is the simplest in a way, or a more sophisticated one in saying we will have a fuel valve, where the flow rate was a function of rpm so it was efficient through the whole range of the engine."
Mosley also said the FIA will push to introduce a more environmentally-friendly fuel in the future, but admitted the teams will need time to prepare the technology for that and more fuel-efficient engines.
"The fuel for 2008 is anyway going to be 5.75 percent bio-fuel because that is coming in in 2010 for the whole of the EU and we didn't want to be behind," added Mosley. "But there is an argument that if we go to fuel efficiency of going for a fuel like E85, which is 85 percent ethanol and is available in the States in small quantities, or something of that kind.
"But again, once we have got the championship, we know who is competing, we will want to sit down with them and talk about 2011 and agree before the end of this year so everyone can have a sensible, low-key ongoing R&D programme.
"The manufacturers are doing work on injectors, and spray patterns, and it has a dramatic effect on fuel-efficiency and it would be very sensible to start working on that, but you need a long lead time otherwise it just costs a fortune." [/QUOTE]
| TimStevens | 02-15-2006 08:36 AM |
As lame as that sounds... that actually might be interesting, if manufacturers were allowed to do anything they want provided the cars finish the race on X gallons of fuel, something like that.
However, I don't think it belongs in F1. I mean, think of the boatloads of gas they burn at every event to drive/haul/tow/float/fly all their equipment in, not to mention the endless amounts of energy wasted to design and produce the cars themselves.
However, I don't think it belongs in F1. I mean, think of the boatloads of gas they burn at every event to drive/haul/tow/float/fly all their equipment in, not to mention the endless amounts of energy wasted to design and produce the cars themselves.
| artkevin | 02-15-2006 09:38 AM |
Spy shot of the Super Aguri in shakedown.
[IMG]http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/35877_2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/35877_2.jpg[/IMG]
| TimStevens | 02-15-2006 09:40 AM |
Looks like the Top Gear test track!
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 09:46 AM |
So did Sato hit the plane?
[QUOTE]Villeneuve confident of more points
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:56 GMT
Canadian Jacques Villeneuve believes the BMW team will enjoy a stronger season in 2006 than what Sauber did last year.
The German carmaker took over the Swiss Sauber team and will race under its own name for the first time this year. The team have showed promising form with their F1.06 car in testing, and that has left Villeneuve upbeat for the season.
The former World Champion, who scored only nine points in 2005 with Sauber, believes he will be able to fight for point-scoring positions more often this year.
"At Jerez in several turns we are faster than with last year's car with a V10 engine," Villeneuve told Autosprint.
"The laptimes are similar too. I like driving with this engine, electronics and traction control is used less, and in general the power is enough.
"With this car I think I can aim for points more often than in 2005." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]De la Rosa: McLaren will fight for title
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:45 GMT
McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa believes his team could be set for a slow start to the 2006 season, but claims the British squad will fight for the title in the long run.
"Frankly I don't know," de la Rosa said when asked if his team would be fighting at the top in Bahrain in less than four weeks time. "But I'm sure McLaren will be fighting for the title this year, even if we don't win the first race.
"In 2005 we also started slowly but we reacted after the third race and from then on we were the most competitive team on track.
"I'm sure something similar will happen this season and we will be able to win a lot of races," the Spaniard told Marca.
McLaren, runners-up last season, have been hindered in winter testing by problems with their Mercedes engine, but the German carmaker introduced a revised version in Jerez last week and the unit proved to be a step forward.
"Without a doubt it's superior to the first engine, but we have a lot of work to do," de la Rosa said. "It's a step forward, an important improvement in terms of horsepower, but we are in the initial phase where we have to see if it's reliable or not.
"We are going to try to complete two Grands Prix distances here (in Valencia), something which we couldn't do with the previous engine. We had failures in Jerez, but the improvements were clear.
"Now, with the improved power, we have moved forward, but I think we are still behind Honda, Renault and maybe Ferrari, who seem to be in the best form for the start of the season.
"Thanks to the last test in Jerez everybody is more relaxed after seeing the performance of the engine, which is a big step forward. The atmosphere has clearly changed and there's a lot more joy and confidence than in previous weeks."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Villeneuve confident of more points
By Michele Lostia Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:56 GMT
Canadian Jacques Villeneuve believes the BMW team will enjoy a stronger season in 2006 than what Sauber did last year.
The German carmaker took over the Swiss Sauber team and will race under its own name for the first time this year. The team have showed promising form with their F1.06 car in testing, and that has left Villeneuve upbeat for the season.
The former World Champion, who scored only nine points in 2005 with Sauber, believes he will be able to fight for point-scoring positions more often this year.
"At Jerez in several turns we are faster than with last year's car with a V10 engine," Villeneuve told Autosprint.
"The laptimes are similar too. I like driving with this engine, electronics and traction control is used less, and in general the power is enough.
"With this car I think I can aim for points more often than in 2005." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]De la Rosa: McLaren will fight for title
By Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 13:45 GMT
McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa believes his team could be set for a slow start to the 2006 season, but claims the British squad will fight for the title in the long run.
"Frankly I don't know," de la Rosa said when asked if his team would be fighting at the top in Bahrain in less than four weeks time. "But I'm sure McLaren will be fighting for the title this year, even if we don't win the first race.
"In 2005 we also started slowly but we reacted after the third race and from then on we were the most competitive team on track.
"I'm sure something similar will happen this season and we will be able to win a lot of races," the Spaniard told Marca.
McLaren, runners-up last season, have been hindered in winter testing by problems with their Mercedes engine, but the German carmaker introduced a revised version in Jerez last week and the unit proved to be a step forward.
"Without a doubt it's superior to the first engine, but we have a lot of work to do," de la Rosa said. "It's a step forward, an important improvement in terms of horsepower, but we are in the initial phase where we have to see if it's reliable or not.
"We are going to try to complete two Grands Prix distances here (in Valencia), something which we couldn't do with the previous engine. We had failures in Jerez, but the improvements were clear.
"Now, with the improved power, we have moved forward, but I think we are still behind Honda, Renault and maybe Ferrari, who seem to be in the best form for the start of the season.
"Thanks to the last test in Jerez everybody is more relaxed after seeing the performance of the engine, which is a big step forward. The atmosphere has clearly changed and there's a lot more joy and confidence than in previous weeks."[/QUOTE]
| Don Arm | 02-15-2006 09:48 AM |
Great vid Frosty !! I am a big fan of Senna. I was lucky enough to get an autograph at the 93 Brazilian GP.
| artkevin | 02-15-2006 10:31 AM |
I don't agree with Max on the fuel thing. They already run on 99% street fuel and it is in the best interest of the teams to be as fuel efficient as possible at all times. How many races are won on fuel strategy and pit work? Its not like they are just pouring gas out the back of the thing. It also should be said that the fuel suppliers are learning huge lesson from supplying F1 teams in chemistry and mixing to get the most preformance and mileage out of every drop. Limiting the amount of fuel you give them is kind of half cocked to me.
| Dussander | 02-15-2006 11:20 AM |
Doh! Looks like something broke on Kimi's car already today if you look at the f1-live pictures. Or, maybe he went off and got stuck, but I doubt that.
| artkevin | 02-15-2006 11:31 AM |
[IMG]http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/photos/2006/tests46/diapo_187.jpg[/IMG]
Klien seems to have had an issue too.
The Red Bull paint scheme has a "Newy" spine to it now too.
[IMG]http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/photos/2006/tests46/diapo_192.jpg[/IMG]
Klien seems to have had an issue too.
The Red Bull paint scheme has a "Newy" spine to it now too.
[IMG]http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/photos/2006/tests46/diapo_192.jpg[/IMG]
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 11:42 AM |
Yup, looks like Kimi is having some engine trouble...
Valencia, day two.
[QUOTE]Williams again on top at Valencia
Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 16:33 GMT
The Williams team continued to shine in pre-season testing by topping the times for the second day running at the Valencia circuit.
After Mark Webber set the fastest time yesterday, it was Nico Rosberg's turn to finish on top of the times with the new Cosworth-powered FW28 car.
Despite feeling unwell due to food poisoning, Rosberg posted a best time of 1:10.994 as he completed a race simulation, also testing the new seamless gearbox Williams are developing.
Rosberg worked alongside Webber, who today was sixth quickest after just 33 laps focusing on tyre selection.
Finland's Kimi Raikkonen covered only 16 laps before his Mercedes engine let go, but that was enough for the McLaren driver to post the second quickest time in the MP4-21.
Teammate Juan Pablo Montoya had a more productive day, covering 85 laps as he concentrated on doing long runs in the second McLaren.
The Renault team kicked off their test today after skipping yesterday's session, with both Giancarlo Fisichella and Heikki Kovalainen doing the driving. Kovalainen was third fastest, while Fisichella, working on tyre testing and car set-up, finished in fourth.
Both men caused a red flag each.
Austrian Christian Klien was fifth quickest in the revised RB2 car from the Red Bull team. The car, fitted with a new aerodynamic package, showed promising pace again in the hands of Klien, who focused on aero work and tyre testing.
His teammate Robert Doornbos, driving the RB2 but with the old aerodynamic package, was 10th fastest. Scot David Coulthard was also in action for Red Bull, but he covered only 14 laps.
Christijan Albers replaced teammate Tiago Monteiro at the wheel of the new MF1 car, while one of the team's test drivers, Giorgio Mondini, worked with the EJ15B.
Albers, who went off track and touched the barriers in the afternoon, was eighth quickest after working on tyre testing and car set-up.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:10.994 94
2. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:11.199 16
3. Kovalainen Renault (M) 1:11.362 115
4. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:11.443 83
5. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:11.544 63
6. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:11.584 33
7. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:12.462 85
8. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:12.916 64
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:13.585 14
10. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:14.643 44
11. Mondini MF1-Toyota (B) 1:14.646 84
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
Valencia, day two.
[QUOTE]Williams again on top at Valencia
Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 16:33 GMT
The Williams team continued to shine in pre-season testing by topping the times for the second day running at the Valencia circuit.
After Mark Webber set the fastest time yesterday, it was Nico Rosberg's turn to finish on top of the times with the new Cosworth-powered FW28 car.
Despite feeling unwell due to food poisoning, Rosberg posted a best time of 1:10.994 as he completed a race simulation, also testing the new seamless gearbox Williams are developing.
Rosberg worked alongside Webber, who today was sixth quickest after just 33 laps focusing on tyre selection.
Finland's Kimi Raikkonen covered only 16 laps before his Mercedes engine let go, but that was enough for the McLaren driver to post the second quickest time in the MP4-21.
Teammate Juan Pablo Montoya had a more productive day, covering 85 laps as he concentrated on doing long runs in the second McLaren.
The Renault team kicked off their test today after skipping yesterday's session, with both Giancarlo Fisichella and Heikki Kovalainen doing the driving. Kovalainen was third fastest, while Fisichella, working on tyre testing and car set-up, finished in fourth.
Both men caused a red flag each.
Austrian Christian Klien was fifth quickest in the revised RB2 car from the Red Bull team. The car, fitted with a new aerodynamic package, showed promising pace again in the hands of Klien, who focused on aero work and tyre testing.
His teammate Robert Doornbos, driving the RB2 but with the old aerodynamic package, was 10th fastest. Scot David Coulthard was also in action for Red Bull, but he covered only 14 laps.
Christijan Albers replaced teammate Tiago Monteiro at the wheel of the new MF1 car, while one of the team's test drivers, Giorgio Mondini, worked with the EJ15B.
Albers, who went off track and touched the barriers in the afternoon, was eighth quickest after working on tyre testing and car set-up.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Rosberg Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:10.994 94
2. Raikkonen McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:11.199 16
3. Kovalainen Renault (M) 1:11.362 115
4. Fisichella Renault (M) 1:11.443 83
5. Klien Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:11.544 63
6. Webber Williams-Cosworth (B) 1:11.584 33
7. Montoya McLaren-Mercedes (M) 1:12.462 85
8. Albers MF1-Toyota (B) 1:12.916 64
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:13.585 14
10. Doornbos Red Bull-Ferrari (M) 1:14.643 44
11. Mondini MF1-Toyota (B) 1:14.646 84
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| artkevin | 02-15-2006 11:48 AM |
85 laps by JPM! :eek:
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 11:50 AM |
Ok, something that has been bothering me forever...
Why do Grand Prix drivers always seem to get "food poisoning"?
There doesn't seem to be a test session or race weekend where someone isn't sick from it....
I mean honestly, what the hell is going on?
:huh:
Why do Grand Prix drivers always seem to get "food poisoning"?
There doesn't seem to be a test session or race weekend where someone isn't sick from it....
I mean honestly, what the hell is going on?
:huh:
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 11:55 AM |
Max addresses the Toro Rosso controversy.
[QUOTE]Mosley downplays Toro Rosso car row
By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 16:48 GMT
FIA president Max Mosley has moved to alleviate concerns from rival teams about the similarities between the Scuderia Toro Rosso STR01 and last year's Red Bull RB1.
The new Toro Rosso car raised a few eyebrows when it hit the track in Valencia last week, with some of the team's rivals understood to be uncomfortable with the likeness between the cars and that run by Red Bull's main team in 2005.
Under the terms of the Concorde Agreement, the document by which Formula One is run, teams must design, construct and manufacture their own car - and cannot use parts from another team.
FIA president Max Mosley has moved to play down the controversy, however, claiming that although the car may feature parts that were on the RB1 � that is actually allowed because those parts were not originally built by Red Bull Racing themselves but an outside company originally commissed by former team Jaguar.
When asked by autosport.com about whether he was sure the Toro Rosso was actually a new car, Mosley said: "That's an interesting question.
"My understanding is that with Ford/Jaguar, the parts were, for some obscure reason to do with tax and the internal structure of the Ford Motor Company, designed and built by a company that was not the racing team.
"If the parts are designed and manufactured by another company, and you own the intellectual property rights of the car that requires them, then it is completely legitimate. The thing you can't do is if you're Williams you can't run a McLaren front wing. But both Williams and McLaren could run a Lola front wing.
"So it looks like it has come from a third company. But if somebody challenges it, then there will be an enquiry. But I'm sure they've taken advice."
Although it is not clear whether rival teams are upset enough to lodge a protest about the legality of the car at the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix, Mosley was confident the issue would not become a hot topic.
Speaking about whether he believed there would be a protest, he said: "Unlikely, unless it went very quickly. And even then no one will protest unless they have evidence. So I'd be surprised if we get a protest."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mosley downplays Toro Rosso car row
By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 16:48 GMT
FIA president Max Mosley has moved to alleviate concerns from rival teams about the similarities between the Scuderia Toro Rosso STR01 and last year's Red Bull RB1.
The new Toro Rosso car raised a few eyebrows when it hit the track in Valencia last week, with some of the team's rivals understood to be uncomfortable with the likeness between the cars and that run by Red Bull's main team in 2005.
Under the terms of the Concorde Agreement, the document by which Formula One is run, teams must design, construct and manufacture their own car - and cannot use parts from another team.
FIA president Max Mosley has moved to play down the controversy, however, claiming that although the car may feature parts that were on the RB1 � that is actually allowed because those parts were not originally built by Red Bull Racing themselves but an outside company originally commissed by former team Jaguar.
When asked by autosport.com about whether he was sure the Toro Rosso was actually a new car, Mosley said: "That's an interesting question.
"My understanding is that with Ford/Jaguar, the parts were, for some obscure reason to do with tax and the internal structure of the Ford Motor Company, designed and built by a company that was not the racing team.
"If the parts are designed and manufactured by another company, and you own the intellectual property rights of the car that requires them, then it is completely legitimate. The thing you can't do is if you're Williams you can't run a McLaren front wing. But both Williams and McLaren could run a Lola front wing.
"So it looks like it has come from a third company. But if somebody challenges it, then there will be an enquiry. But I'm sure they've taken advice."
Although it is not clear whether rival teams are upset enough to lodge a protest about the legality of the car at the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix, Mosley was confident the issue would not become a hot topic.
Speaking about whether he believed there would be a protest, he said: "Unlikely, unless it went very quickly. And even then no one will protest unless they have evidence. So I'd be surprised if we get a protest."[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 02-15-2006 12:35 PM |
Idk why they get food poisoning either. It seems to be a catch all for being sick. Considering most of the food the drivers eat is given to them by the team anyways.
I think the fuel thing is a good idea. They won't let the teams do whatever they want with engines, but they might allow different amount of cylinders and whatnot to allow the engine makers to do what they want. F1 has become about so much except giving new tech to street cars in the last few years. Having them work on different fuel standards is a good thing.
It is good Red Bull finally have the cooling deal fixed, the car seems fast too.
I think the fuel thing is a good idea. They won't let the teams do whatever they want with engines, but they might allow different amount of cylinders and whatnot to allow the engine makers to do what they want. F1 has become about so much except giving new tech to street cars in the last few years. Having them work on different fuel standards is a good thing.
It is good Red Bull finally have the cooling deal fixed, the car seems fast too.
| driggity | 02-15-2006 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Ok, something that has been bothering me forever...
Why do Grand Prix drivers always seem to get "food poisoning"?
There doesn't seem to be a test session or race weekend where someone isn't sick from it....
I mean honestly, what the hell is going on?
:huh:[/QUOTE]
Maybe its code for a little too much of the bottle the night before.
Why do Grand Prix drivers always seem to get "food poisoning"?
There doesn't seem to be a test session or race weekend where someone isn't sick from it....
I mean honestly, what the hell is going on?
:huh:[/QUOTE]
Maybe its code for a little too much of the bottle the night before.
| artkevin | 02-15-2006 12:57 PM |
The food poisoning thing does seem like a ctach all but traveling to 15-17 different countries all over world and eating all types of food. I can understand getting a case of the runs.
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 01:39 PM |
[QUOTE=driggity]Maybe its code for a little too much of the bottle the night before.[/QUOTE]
Bingo!
Speaking of too much bottle I stil haven't finished all that left over beer from the BBQ. :eek:
Testing at Sahkir.
[QUOTE]Mixed fortunes for Ferrari in Bahrain
Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 17:23 GMT
The Ferrari team continued at the top of the times for the third consecutive day of testing at the Sahkir circuit in Bahrain.
After Luca Badoer posted the fastest time both on Monday and Tuesday, today it was Felipe Massa with the V10-powered F2004 who finished on top.
Massa was joined by German Michael Schumacher, who replaced the Brazilian at the wheel of the 248 F1 car.
Schumacher, however, did not enjoy a good day and his programme was cut short when he suffered a mechanical problem in the morning. The former World Champion completed just 37 laps and finished over two seconds behind Massa.
Honda drivers Rubens Barrichello and Jenson Button continued carrying out testing duties for the team, both driving the RA106 car. The team were again the fastest of the V8 runners, with Button outpacing Barrichello be less than three tenths of a second.
Swiss driver Neel Jani took over from teammate Tonio Liuzzi at the wheel of the Toro Rosso RB1, the test driver returning to the wheel of a Formula One car for the first time in almost a year.
"Until today, I only had a thousand F1 kilometres under my belt, some of it dating back to 2004," Jani said. "So today, I was getting used to the speed and the braking power and especially the cornering - at first you think the car can't go through the turn at that speed, but you have to tell yourself it does, and it does.
"I really enjoyed myself and look forward to my next test in Imola."
Jani spent the day getting used to the RB1, covering a total of 76 laps.
"We sent him out on track with the set-up we had established over the past two days," added team Principal Franz Tost. "After a while, we started making small changes to the aero settings, the ride height and weight distribution, so that Neel could feel the effect of these changes. He did a good job today."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:30.029 92
2. Button Honda (M) 1:31.278 140
3. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:31.640 102
4. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:32.229 37
5. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:33.028 76
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
Bingo!
Speaking of too much bottle I stil haven't finished all that left over beer from the BBQ. :eek:
Testing at Sahkir.
[QUOTE]Mixed fortunes for Ferrari in Bahrain
Wednesday, February 15th 2006, 17:23 GMT
The Ferrari team continued at the top of the times for the third consecutive day of testing at the Sahkir circuit in Bahrain.
After Luca Badoer posted the fastest time both on Monday and Tuesday, today it was Felipe Massa with the V10-powered F2004 who finished on top.
Massa was joined by German Michael Schumacher, who replaced the Brazilian at the wheel of the 248 F1 car.
Schumacher, however, did not enjoy a good day and his programme was cut short when he suffered a mechanical problem in the morning. The former World Champion completed just 37 laps and finished over two seconds behind Massa.
Honda drivers Rubens Barrichello and Jenson Button continued carrying out testing duties for the team, both driving the RA106 car. The team were again the fastest of the V8 runners, with Button outpacing Barrichello be less than three tenths of a second.
Swiss driver Neel Jani took over from teammate Tonio Liuzzi at the wheel of the Toro Rosso RB1, the test driver returning to the wheel of a Formula One car for the first time in almost a year.
"Until today, I only had a thousand F1 kilometres under my belt, some of it dating back to 2004," Jani said. "So today, I was getting used to the speed and the braking power and especially the cornering - at first you think the car can't go through the turn at that speed, but you have to tell yourself it does, and it does.
"I really enjoyed myself and look forward to my next test in Imola."
Jani spent the day getting used to the RB1, covering a total of 76 laps.
"We sent him out on track with the set-up we had established over the past two days," added team Principal Franz Tost. "After a while, we started making small changes to the aero settings, the ride height and weight distribution, so that Neel could feel the effect of these changes. He did a good job today."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:30.029 92
2. Button Honda (M) 1:31.278 140
3. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:31.640 102
4. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:32.229 37
5. Jani Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:33.028 76
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 02-15-2006 01:46 PM |
Amazing, Ferrari is still running the 2004 and is over 2 seconds faster with it, what a surprise. I forsee them having a lot of problems with this years car if they're still testing with an obsolete one a month before the next event.
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 01:50 PM |
I'm with you on that Stu....it puzzles me that they're still testing with the 2004 chassis. At this point in the preseason I don't see much benefit.
The fact that teams like Honda and Renault are pounding out the miles with multiple new cars and Ferrari seem to be barely getting into the full testing swing makes me wonder what's [i]really[/i] going on in Maranello.
The fact that teams like Honda and Renault are pounding out the miles with multiple new cars and Ferrari seem to be barely getting into the full testing swing makes me wonder what's [i]really[/i] going on in Maranello.
| Student Driver | 02-15-2006 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Spy shot of the Super Aguri in shakedown.
[IMG]http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/35877_2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Sato takes out plane
In a strange twist of events, Takuma Sato clipped a jumbo jet on the test track. Apparently, he felt so good about his car that he figured he could beat it to turn 10.
Sato: "I never saw him coming. I mean, come on, with both vehicles being white I couldn't tell where my boat, er car, ends and the plane begins. Not to mention my car has more wings than that thing so it really doesn't stand out."
Airbus pilot: "I saw him coming the whole way, but I figured since I was in a plane he would see me. I just got done with a hot lap of the runway and was heading in to the pits. Then, this guy comes out of from behind me and tries to push me offline. Don't you guys have drug testing for this sort of thing?"
In related news, Yuji Ide proclaims that F1 cars are indeed "teh fast4r" and hopes to get a right-hand drive version of one soon...
[IMG]http://www.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/35877_2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Sato takes out plane
In a strange twist of events, Takuma Sato clipped a jumbo jet on the test track. Apparently, he felt so good about his car that he figured he could beat it to turn 10.
Sato: "I never saw him coming. I mean, come on, with both vehicles being white I couldn't tell where my boat, er car, ends and the plane begins. Not to mention my car has more wings than that thing so it really doesn't stand out."
Airbus pilot: "I saw him coming the whole way, but I figured since I was in a plane he would see me. I just got done with a hot lap of the runway and was heading in to the pits. Then, this guy comes out of from behind me and tries to push me offline. Don't you guys have drug testing for this sort of thing?"
In related news, Yuji Ide proclaims that F1 cars are indeed "teh fast4r" and hopes to get a right-hand drive version of one soon...
| Bonzo | 02-15-2006 04:15 PM |
^^^^
:lol:
esp the rhd...
:lol:
esp the rhd...
| Student Driver | 02-15-2006 05:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]^^^^
:lol:
esp the rhd...[/QUOTE]
:D
I was going to put in a blurb about the tire announcement delay being due to a lack of the red smoke generating drift tires in their car's size, but that would have been tacky. At least they would have a reason to be on track, and the tire changing rule would be useful to them. :cool:
:lol:
esp the rhd...[/QUOTE]
:D
I was going to put in a blurb about the tire announcement delay being due to a lack of the red smoke generating drift tires in their car's size, but that would have been tacky. At least they would have a reason to be on track, and the tire changing rule would be useful to them. :cool:
| artkevin | 02-15-2006 06:10 PM |
So harsh ^^^^ :lol:
| js3324 | 02-15-2006 08:17 PM |
I cant wait to see how Massa does in the Ferrari.
You sure that was Sato? He usually blows his engine somehow...maybe it was the Stig(look at the track)
Anyone remember in the 04 season in the last round of qualifying, I am not sure which track but it was towards the end of the year, Sato came around a tight corner and spun 360 degrees saved it and drove forward again with almost no time loss!!!!
Anyone notice how bitchy Juan Pablo is? He is probably the last F1 driver I would want to talk with(unless it was on criticizing things)...I do realize how important he gets his set up right but the way he acts...
You sure that was Sato? He usually blows his engine somehow...maybe it was the Stig(look at the track)
Anyone remember in the 04 season in the last round of qualifying, I am not sure which track but it was towards the end of the year, Sato came around a tight corner and spun 360 degrees saved it and drove forward again with almost no time loss!!!!
Anyone notice how bitchy Juan Pablo is? He is probably the last F1 driver I would want to talk with(unless it was on criticizing things)...I do realize how important he gets his set up right but the way he acts...
| Student Driver | 02-15-2006 10:02 PM |
I think the Stig was the pilot, as he demanded a vehicle worthy of his ability in white to match his suit. So, between the car and the plane, the plane was the obvious choice.
| Ferg | 02-15-2006 11:36 PM |
[QUOTE=js3324]Anyone notice how bitchy Juan Pablo is? [/QUOTE]
You just have to be careful not to hit him in the head with a camera ;)
You just have to be careful not to hit him in the head with a camera ;)
| FrostyAK | 02-16-2006 12:53 AM |
So, this season...
"Rubens > Jenson" or "Jenson > Rubens"?
My vote goes to Jense.
- Chris
"Rubens > Jenson" or "Jenson > Rubens"?
My vote goes to Jense.
- Chris
| John__Gotti | 02-16-2006 02:26 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Am I the youngest guy in here? The 1st race I ever watched was when Michael was still at Benneton. Gheesh!
<---26 years old[/QUOTE]
Close but I have you beat by a year, 25 here. First race I every saw was when Villi took the wheel for Mclaren after coming from CART which was still called Indy back then I believe. I was only one and a half when his father died so I missed alot of the glory days of F1.
<---26 years old[/QUOTE]
Close but I have you beat by a year, 25 here. First race I every saw was when Villi took the wheel for Mclaren after coming from CART which was still called Indy back then I believe. I was only one and a half when his father died so I missed alot of the glory days of F1.
| FrostyAK | 02-16-2006 04:00 AM |
<----24
- Chris
- Chris
| bitterWRX | 02-16-2006 05:15 AM |
[QUOTE=FrostyAK]So, this season...
"Rubens > Jenson" or "Jenson > Rubens"?
My vote goes to Jense.
- Chris[/QUOTE]
:huh:
I disagree. Barachiello is a much better driver than Jenson. The only reason no one ever noticed was because he was always compared to Schumacher. Barachiello can hold his own... especially against Button. Watch... he'll be make number 1 seats next season.
The real question is WILL JENSON FINALLY WIN A GRAND PRIX??
"Rubens > Jenson" or "Jenson > Rubens"?
My vote goes to Jense.
- Chris[/QUOTE]
:huh:
I disagree. Barachiello is a much better driver than Jenson. The only reason no one ever noticed was because he was always compared to Schumacher. Barachiello can hold his own... especially against Button. Watch... he'll be make number 1 seats next season.
The real question is WILL JENSON FINALLY WIN A GRAND PRIX??
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 08:36 AM |
Button will win a race and I feel ultimately outpace Rubens this year...or not.
Closer pic of the A23...er I mean SA05!
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/56150663/large.jpg[/IMG]
In other news....
[QUOTE]Massa cautious on Ferrari form
By Michele Lostia Thursday, February 16th 2006, 10:17 GMT
Felipe Massa believes Ferrari need to raise their game for the start of the season, but the Brazilian driver is confident some new developments for their car will help them be more competitive.
"We have to improve a lot," Massa told Gazzetta dello Sport. "At the moment I'm not worried about the laptimes because we have many new components to install in the 2006 car.
"The important thing here is to find and maintain reliability, which during these days is the most important aspect.
"Laptimes count, but we still have many kilometres at our disposal. From now on we'll install new components on the car. We'll bring to the 248 the synthesis of the solutions which have brought the best results in testing from November until now. At that point, I'm sure, laptimes will improve."
Ferrari have been setting promising laptimes in winter testing with their new 248 F1 car, although their star driver Michael Schumacher admitted the Italian squad were behind World Champions Renault and closely matched with the Honda team.
Massa believes it's too early to make predictions about Ferrari's form for the season-opener in Bahrain in three weeks time.
"Let's wait, we are preparing suitable material. The basis of the car is good, but needs to be developed. Only at the end of this work I'll be able to be more precise. It's early now," he added.
Schumacher suffered problems with the clutch's electronic control in testing in Bahrain yesterday, meaning his day was cut short. The team flew replacement parts in order to be able to continue testing today.
"The work had to be stopped soon after the start. These things happen, we'll make up the lost time," Schumacher said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mercedes admits to V8 problems
Thursday, February 16th 2006, 09:41 GMT
Mercedes-Benz motorsport director Norbert Haug fears his company may not be able to solve its engine problems before the first round of the season in Bahrain, in three weeks time.
Haug publicly admitted for the first time that Mercedes is lagging behind on the V8 engine development and is facing some problems.
"I openly admit that we are not where we want to be with the V8 programme," Haug told this week's Autosport magazine. "The timescale is tight and we have some problems. Will we have it 100 per cent solved before Bahrain? Who knows?
"In the past we haven't had the biggest bore, so we've had to make a big step and associated with that is a learning process."
But the German added that recent reports, which claimed the Mercedes V8 is significantly down on revs compared to its rivals, were wide off the mark.
"These things get exaggerated. We're not panicking," he said.[/QUOTE]
Closer pic of the A23...er I mean SA05!
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/56150663/large.jpg[/IMG]
In other news....
[QUOTE]Massa cautious on Ferrari form
By Michele Lostia Thursday, February 16th 2006, 10:17 GMT
Felipe Massa believes Ferrari need to raise their game for the start of the season, but the Brazilian driver is confident some new developments for their car will help them be more competitive.
"We have to improve a lot," Massa told Gazzetta dello Sport. "At the moment I'm not worried about the laptimes because we have many new components to install in the 2006 car.
"The important thing here is to find and maintain reliability, which during these days is the most important aspect.
"Laptimes count, but we still have many kilometres at our disposal. From now on we'll install new components on the car. We'll bring to the 248 the synthesis of the solutions which have brought the best results in testing from November until now. At that point, I'm sure, laptimes will improve."
Ferrari have been setting promising laptimes in winter testing with their new 248 F1 car, although their star driver Michael Schumacher admitted the Italian squad were behind World Champions Renault and closely matched with the Honda team.
Massa believes it's too early to make predictions about Ferrari's form for the season-opener in Bahrain in three weeks time.
"Let's wait, we are preparing suitable material. The basis of the car is good, but needs to be developed. Only at the end of this work I'll be able to be more precise. It's early now," he added.
Schumacher suffered problems with the clutch's electronic control in testing in Bahrain yesterday, meaning his day was cut short. The team flew replacement parts in order to be able to continue testing today.
"The work had to be stopped soon after the start. These things happen, we'll make up the lost time," Schumacher said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mercedes admits to V8 problems
Thursday, February 16th 2006, 09:41 GMT
Mercedes-Benz motorsport director Norbert Haug fears his company may not be able to solve its engine problems before the first round of the season in Bahrain, in three weeks time.
Haug publicly admitted for the first time that Mercedes is lagging behind on the V8 engine development and is facing some problems.
"I openly admit that we are not where we want to be with the V8 programme," Haug told this week's Autosport magazine. "The timescale is tight and we have some problems. Will we have it 100 per cent solved before Bahrain? Who knows?
"In the past we haven't had the biggest bore, so we've had to make a big step and associated with that is a learning process."
But the German added that recent reports, which claimed the Mercedes V8 is significantly down on revs compared to its rivals, were wide off the mark.
"These things get exaggerated. We're not panicking," he said.[/QUOTE]
| heffergm | 02-16-2006 08:40 AM |
Poor Kimi... I see more detonating engines in his future.
| Bonzo | 02-16-2006 09:04 AM |
As gaurded as these specs are, anyone know bore and stroke figures for the v-10's or even some of the v-8's?
| artkevin | 02-16-2006 09:27 AM |
Apparently SA hasn't done jack to the A23. It still has the low front wing, small air box, narrow rear wing and illegal winglets next to the inlet. It probably still has the Cosworth lump in it too. Looks like they got a lot of work ahead of them.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/56150663/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/56150663/large.jpg[/IMG]
| StuBeck | 02-16-2006 09:34 AM |
That's really wierd, they said they did a lot to the car. I wonder if this is just a box of spares they threw together to get something going and have the real car for testing next week.
I think Barrichello will be faster, Button really hasn't done anything his entire career except for 04 when the rest of the teams stopped working on their cars.
I think Barrichello will be faster, Button really hasn't done anything his entire career except for 04 when the rest of the teams stopped working on their cars.
| Harvey_Mushman | 02-16-2006 09:42 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX]:huh:
The only reason no one ever noticed was because he was always compared to Schumacher. [/QUOTE]
Recently that's true, but when he was with Stewart lots of folks took notice. The folks at Ferrari sure did and he's been in Schumi's shadow ever since. I can't wait for him to get the full backing of a team like Honda!
The only reason no one ever noticed was because he was always compared to Schumacher. [/QUOTE]
Recently that's true, but when he was with Stewart lots of folks took notice. The folks at Ferrari sure did and he's been in Schumi's shadow ever since. I can't wait for him to get the full backing of a team like Honda!
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 10:05 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck]I think Barrichello will be faster, Button really hasn't done anything his entire career except for 04 when the rest of the teams stopped working on their cars.[/QUOTE]
That's a bit harsh...his first season with Williams was hugely impressive. He was crap at Renault but hey, so was the car, and Flav wasn't exactly a suportive team prinicipal. The speed is there and I think the V8s will suit his driving style better than Rubens. It's going to be close but I have to give the edge to Jenson, at least for the time being.
I know I've been saying that Trulli is going to walk the first race, but now I think it will be Button who drives off into the distance.
Or not.
That's a bit harsh...his first season with Williams was hugely impressive. He was crap at Renault but hey, so was the car, and Flav wasn't exactly a suportive team prinicipal. The speed is there and I think the V8s will suit his driving style better than Rubens. It's going to be close but I have to give the edge to Jenson, at least for the time being.
I know I've been saying that Trulli is going to walk the first race, but now I think it will be Button who drives off into the distance.
Or not.
| StuBeck | 02-16-2006 10:18 AM |
Some of my harshness is also based on the British press who if they could have would say he would have been the champion last year. He seems like a very good driver and a good guy and I do wish him well (I have to say it is probably my favorite driver pairing of all the teams) but he has only gotten a few podiums and hasn't really ever been in contention for a win.
I'll just be happy if Schumacher doesn't win at all this season again.
I'll just be happy if Schumacher doesn't win at all this season again.
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 10:20 AM |
Oh I agree with you there...if Jenson doesn't pull a win out of his ass this season I'll be at the front of the line with a torch and a pitchfork.
I think once that win happens it'll open the flood gates.
I think once that win happens it'll open the flood gates.
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 10:28 AM |
More news.
[QUOTE]Trulli positive about revised Toyota
By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, February 16th 2006, 15:22 GMT
Jarno Trulli is cautiously optimistic about the performance of the revised Toyota car following two days of testing at Vallelunga.
The Japanese squad have introduced a heavily revised package, with several differences compared to the car which the team have been testing during the winter.
Trulli was the man in charge of testing the car for the first time on Tuesday and Wednesday and he was positive about the car's pace.
The Italian, however, wanted to remain cautious until they test the car in front of their rivals in Barcelona next week.
"I had a good couple of days," he told autosport.com. "I am being a bit cautious about it, because the conditions are not exactly what we will see in the first race but all the figures I have seen matched with the figures I had got so I am confident.
"It was good, but the this is not one of the best places to check the aero and it will be more indicative in the next test. I did some long runs too, and they were consistent so we will see in Barcelona and in Valencia. I am very positive about it."
Trulli completed 65 laps on his first day of work and 42 on Wednesday. His teammate Ralf Schumacher was scheduled to test the car today, but the German could only complete an installation lap because of the poor weather at the Italian circuit.
Both men are expected to return to the track tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mansell tips Button for maiden F1 win
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, February 16th 2006, 14:08 GMT
Former World Champion Nigel Mansell has tipped Jenson Button to grab his maiden Grand Prix win this year - but fears that the Honda driver's millions in the bank may have hurt the Honda Racing driver's ultimate desire.
Mansell, who was speaking at a sponsorship launch with Unipart on Thursday, believes the fact that Button has already bagged big money deals in the sport could work against him.
When asked by autosport.com about Button's prospects for ending his 100-race losing streak, Mansell said: "It doesn't bother me, but if it bothers anyone it should bother Jenson.
"One hundred Grands Prix without winning is a heck of a target now, isn't it? I think he should use it as a strength, to use the negative into a positive. He should say, 'okay this year I am going to get the monkey off my back and at least get a win on the way.'
"As soon as he does that, he will springboard and be a proven front-winner and winner. If not then he has got problems to address later in the year because Rubens is not going to pull over for him. Rubens is going to do a fantastic job and Rubens is a proven race winner, but I think it will spur Jenson on for better things."
Mansell did express his concern, however, about the level of rewards that drivers like Button have earned in their early F1 career - and the impact that may have on their hunger to win.
"I got my rewards after I won and after I was successful and won the World Championship. I started to earn a lot of money then.
"But to sign contracts for tens and tens of millions of pounds before you have even won races is quite extraordinary � and the question is does it take the edge off you? Well it might do, mightn't it?
"For that person or individual, and I am not just talking about Jenson now, it (the winning) doesn't really matter to them unless they are really dogged because they are set for life.
"It is a strange phenomenon that has happened in F1 where a lot of people have got a lot of benefits before they have actually delivered."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Trulli positive about revised Toyota
By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, February 16th 2006, 15:22 GMT
Jarno Trulli is cautiously optimistic about the performance of the revised Toyota car following two days of testing at Vallelunga.
The Japanese squad have introduced a heavily revised package, with several differences compared to the car which the team have been testing during the winter.
Trulli was the man in charge of testing the car for the first time on Tuesday and Wednesday and he was positive about the car's pace.
The Italian, however, wanted to remain cautious until they test the car in front of their rivals in Barcelona next week.
"I had a good couple of days," he told autosport.com. "I am being a bit cautious about it, because the conditions are not exactly what we will see in the first race but all the figures I have seen matched with the figures I had got so I am confident.
"It was good, but the this is not one of the best places to check the aero and it will be more indicative in the next test. I did some long runs too, and they were consistent so we will see in Barcelona and in Valencia. I am very positive about it."
Trulli completed 65 laps on his first day of work and 42 on Wednesday. His teammate Ralf Schumacher was scheduled to test the car today, but the German could only complete an installation lap because of the poor weather at the Italian circuit.
Both men are expected to return to the track tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Mansell tips Button for maiden F1 win
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, February 16th 2006, 14:08 GMT
Former World Champion Nigel Mansell has tipped Jenson Button to grab his maiden Grand Prix win this year - but fears that the Honda driver's millions in the bank may have hurt the Honda Racing driver's ultimate desire.
Mansell, who was speaking at a sponsorship launch with Unipart on Thursday, believes the fact that Button has already bagged big money deals in the sport could work against him.
When asked by autosport.com about Button's prospects for ending his 100-race losing streak, Mansell said: "It doesn't bother me, but if it bothers anyone it should bother Jenson.
"One hundred Grands Prix without winning is a heck of a target now, isn't it? I think he should use it as a strength, to use the negative into a positive. He should say, 'okay this year I am going to get the monkey off my back and at least get a win on the way.'
"As soon as he does that, he will springboard and be a proven front-winner and winner. If not then he has got problems to address later in the year because Rubens is not going to pull over for him. Rubens is going to do a fantastic job and Rubens is a proven race winner, but I think it will spur Jenson on for better things."
Mansell did express his concern, however, about the level of rewards that drivers like Button have earned in their early F1 career - and the impact that may have on their hunger to win.
"I got my rewards after I won and after I was successful and won the World Championship. I started to earn a lot of money then.
"But to sign contracts for tens and tens of millions of pounds before you have even won races is quite extraordinary � and the question is does it take the edge off you? Well it might do, mightn't it?
"For that person or individual, and I am not just talking about Jenson now, it (the winning) doesn't really matter to them unless they are really dogged because they are set for life.
"It is a strange phenomenon that has happened in F1 where a lot of people have got a lot of benefits before they have actually delivered."[/QUOTE]
| NYEJ25 | 02-16-2006 10:46 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Oh I agree with you there...if Jenson doesn't pull a win out of his ass this season I'll be at the front of the line with a torch and a pitchfork.
I think once that win happens it'll open the flood gates.[/QUOTE]
To the English Jenson is the great white hope. He is the only driver from england with a chance at a championship anytime soon. I don't like the man. I think he is the first person to say bad things about the car or the team when they do bad, but when they are towards the front he takes alot of the credit. I have never heard him say anything good about his team like other drivers will. Plus the BS he pulled with Buttongate 2004 and 2005 has put a very bad taste in my mouth.
I think if Jenson was not english the automotive press in the UK would have been calling for his head 2 years ago. He has done nothing so far in his carrer. I hope he gets upstaged by Rubins this year, I think Rubens has something to prove since he has been living in Schumachers shadow for so many years and he will distance himself for Button very early on in the season(In points). I just don't feel that Button is a stand up guy, he has tried to back out of two contracts and has alot to prove to the world.
OK, now that I got that out of my system, the comment about Sato hitting the plane is too funny. I'm sure when the anouncement was made that he landed a ride this season there were some unhappy drivers around. It is only a matter of time before he kills someone else, or himself. I am hoping for the latter. He is reckless and has no regard for the other drivers on the track. Good thing he should be in such a bad car this year that he should be a nonissue to the other drivers.
I think once that win happens it'll open the flood gates.[/QUOTE]
To the English Jenson is the great white hope. He is the only driver from england with a chance at a championship anytime soon. I don't like the man. I think he is the first person to say bad things about the car or the team when they do bad, but when they are towards the front he takes alot of the credit. I have never heard him say anything good about his team like other drivers will. Plus the BS he pulled with Buttongate 2004 and 2005 has put a very bad taste in my mouth.
I think if Jenson was not english the automotive press in the UK would have been calling for his head 2 years ago. He has done nothing so far in his carrer. I hope he gets upstaged by Rubins this year, I think Rubens has something to prove since he has been living in Schumachers shadow for so many years and he will distance himself for Button very early on in the season(In points). I just don't feel that Button is a stand up guy, he has tried to back out of two contracts and has alot to prove to the world.
OK, now that I got that out of my system, the comment about Sato hitting the plane is too funny. I'm sure when the anouncement was made that he landed a ride this season there were some unhappy drivers around. It is only a matter of time before he kills someone else, or himself. I am hoping for the latter. He is reckless and has no regard for the other drivers on the track. Good thing he should be in such a bad car this year that he should be a nonissue to the other drivers.
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 10:53 AM |
[QUOTE=NYEJ25]I have never heard him say anything good about his team like other drivers will. Plus the BS he pulled with Buttongate 2004 and 2005 has put a very bad taste in my mouth.[/QUOTE]
Oh come on that's just not true...all throughout the 2004 season Button was always quick to thank his team and his guys. True he's slagged off the car a few times, but which driver hasn't? Even Schumacher griped about the Ferrari last year..and that's truly never happened before!
I agree completely about the Buttongate crap, and his standing with me did go down quite a few pegs (mostly because I'm a BIG Frank Williams supporter) but whatever, that doesn't reflect on his abilities in the car..and that is what matters after all.
As far as driver's screwing their teams..I seem to recall Senna demanding so much money from McLaren in 1993 that they had to actually pull money out of the car's development budget to cover his pay slip...the whole time Senna knew he was jumping ship to Williams...
"Thanks for the three world titles and the big pay increase Ron, I'm out of here."
I'll be happy if either Jenson or Rubens has a breakout year, but on the evidence so far I think Jenson is going to have the edge. Now once Ruben's gets Honda's engine guys on his side like Senna did at McLaren.... :devil:
Oh come on that's just not true...all throughout the 2004 season Button was always quick to thank his team and his guys. True he's slagged off the car a few times, but which driver hasn't? Even Schumacher griped about the Ferrari last year..and that's truly never happened before!
I agree completely about the Buttongate crap, and his standing with me did go down quite a few pegs (mostly because I'm a BIG Frank Williams supporter) but whatever, that doesn't reflect on his abilities in the car..and that is what matters after all.
As far as driver's screwing their teams..I seem to recall Senna demanding so much money from McLaren in 1993 that they had to actually pull money out of the car's development budget to cover his pay slip...the whole time Senna knew he was jumping ship to Williams...
"Thanks for the three world titles and the big pay increase Ron, I'm out of here."
I'll be happy if either Jenson or Rubens has a breakout year, but on the evidence so far I think Jenson is going to have the edge. Now once Ruben's gets Honda's engine guys on his side like Senna did at McLaren.... :devil:
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 11:14 AM |
This just in, Bernie actually capable of feeling guilt.
[QUOTE]Ecclestone: Midland underestimated task
By Michele Lostia Thursday, February 16th 2006, 15:44 GMT
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone says he feels guilty about having convinced Midland owner Alex Shnaider to buy the struggling Jordan team.
Shnaider had originally planned to enter Formula One with his own team, but he bought Jordan to save the $48 million bond demanded of newcomers.
The team now race under Midland's name but they are likely to face a tough battle to escape the lower positions this season.
In hindsight, Ecclestone believes Shnaider should have not bought Jordan and claimed the Canadian businessman underestimated the task of making the team competitive.
"I feel guilty for having convinced Alex Shnaider into buying Jordan, I shouldn't have done it," Ecclestone told Autosprint. "I tried to help him as much as I could. He's a business man but he probably underestimated the effort."
Ecclestone, on the other hand, backed Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz's decision to join Formula One.
"Red Bull and Mr Mateschitz would like to win the championship, they'll do everything they can to reach that objective," Ecclestone added. "They are doing things in a big way but they are realists, they understand it's not easy.
"For Red Bull, anyway, F1 is an excellent channel through which promoting their brand. They expect to have one day a return on their investments. That's why it's fundamental to cut the costs." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ecclestone critical of Dennis, Alonso
By Michele Lostia Thursday, February 16th 2006, 16:11 GMT
McLaren boss Ron Dennis and World Champion Fernando Alonso made a mistake in dealing behind the back of Renault chief Flavio Briatore.
That's the claim of Formula One commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone, who has been critical of both men after Alonso signed a deal to join McLaren in 2007, a year before he leaves Renault.
Ecclestone reckons Dennis should have informed Briatore about Alonso's plans so the deal could have been announced properly.
As it was, however, McLaren revealed the deal just two months after Alonso had won the title, a decision which has been subject of much criticism.
"It's no problem that Alonso signed with McLaren, because he was free to do so contractually," Ecclestone said in an interview with Autosprint. "I don't know the conditions of his management relationship with Briatore, so I can't have an idea.
"Ron Dennis, however, should have called Briatore immediately afterwards and let him know about it, then agree on a communication strategy which wouldn't put Renault in difficulty, but this didn't happen. Flavio told me he learned of it one month after the contract got signed.
"Alonso and Ron Dennis worked behind the backs of Briatore and Renault, and this shouldn't have happened." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ecclestone: Midland underestimated task
By Michele Lostia Thursday, February 16th 2006, 15:44 GMT
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone says he feels guilty about having convinced Midland owner Alex Shnaider to buy the struggling Jordan team.
Shnaider had originally planned to enter Formula One with his own team, but he bought Jordan to save the $48 million bond demanded of newcomers.
The team now race under Midland's name but they are likely to face a tough battle to escape the lower positions this season.
In hindsight, Ecclestone believes Shnaider should have not bought Jordan and claimed the Canadian businessman underestimated the task of making the team competitive.
"I feel guilty for having convinced Alex Shnaider into buying Jordan, I shouldn't have done it," Ecclestone told Autosprint. "I tried to help him as much as I could. He's a business man but he probably underestimated the effort."
Ecclestone, on the other hand, backed Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz's decision to join Formula One.
"Red Bull and Mr Mateschitz would like to win the championship, they'll do everything they can to reach that objective," Ecclestone added. "They are doing things in a big way but they are realists, they understand it's not easy.
"For Red Bull, anyway, F1 is an excellent channel through which promoting their brand. They expect to have one day a return on their investments. That's why it's fundamental to cut the costs." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Ecclestone critical of Dennis, Alonso
By Michele Lostia Thursday, February 16th 2006, 16:11 GMT
McLaren boss Ron Dennis and World Champion Fernando Alonso made a mistake in dealing behind the back of Renault chief Flavio Briatore.
That's the claim of Formula One commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone, who has been critical of both men after Alonso signed a deal to join McLaren in 2007, a year before he leaves Renault.
Ecclestone reckons Dennis should have informed Briatore about Alonso's plans so the deal could have been announced properly.
As it was, however, McLaren revealed the deal just two months after Alonso had won the title, a decision which has been subject of much criticism.
"It's no problem that Alonso signed with McLaren, because he was free to do so contractually," Ecclestone said in an interview with Autosprint. "I don't know the conditions of his management relationship with Briatore, so I can't have an idea.
"Ron Dennis, however, should have called Briatore immediately afterwards and let him know about it, then agree on a communication strategy which wouldn't put Renault in difficulty, but this didn't happen. Flavio told me he learned of it one month after the contract got signed.
"Alonso and Ron Dennis worked behind the backs of Briatore and Renault, and this shouldn't have happened." [/QUOTE]
| TimStevens | 02-16-2006 11:22 AM |
Even rich buffoons can feel guilty about being rich buffoons... they just don't tend to do too much about it.
| NYEJ25 | 02-16-2006 11:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]Oh come on that's just not true...all throughout the 2004 season Button was always quick to thank his team and his guys. True he's slagged off the car a few times, but which driver hasn't? Even Schumacher griped about the Ferrari last year..and that's truly never happened before!
I agree completely about the Buttongate crap, and his standing with me did go down quite a few pegs (mostly because I'm a BIG Frank Williams supporter) but whatever, that doesn't reflect on his abilities in the car..and that is what matters after all.
As far as driver's screwing their teams..I seem to recall Senna demanding so much money from McLaren in 1993 that they had to actually pull money out of the car's development budget to cover his pay slip...the whole time Senna knew he was jumping ship to Williams...
"Thanks for the three world titles and the big pay increase Ron, I'm out of here."
I'll be happy if either Jenson or Rubens has a breakout year, but on the evidence so far I think Jenson is going to have the edge. Now once Ruben's gets Honda's engine guys on his side like Senna did at McLaren.... :devil:[/QUOTE]
I was a big supporter of Button before Buttongate happened, but that dropped him down alot of pegs in my eyes. I just feel that Schumacher has more of a right to say something about a car or a team problem then Button does. He has proven himself as a driver 7 times! Button has yet to win a race in F1. I just feel that everyone hold him up so high when he doesnt deserve the praise...not yet. I think he is a very talented driver and will win some races before his time is up in this sport, I just dont think he is the second coming of Senna as some people would have you believe(Not directed at you Ferg, just the media in general).
I guess I am just disappointed more than anything in the way the last few years have gone for him. Being a supporter of Honda I had such high hopes for him and he has not delivered as of yet. I know the team struggled last year, but in 04 they had a very good car and he could not get a win. I guess in my eyes, he has to prove himself to me and earn back the respect he lost in last few years due to his off the track antics on top of a less the steller season. I will just have to wait and see, the jury is still out on him at this point.
On another note, it is nice to see an American back in F1. I hope Speed does well. I know I will be supporting him at the Canadian GP this year.
I agree completely about the Buttongate crap, and his standing with me did go down quite a few pegs (mostly because I'm a BIG Frank Williams supporter) but whatever, that doesn't reflect on his abilities in the car..and that is what matters after all.
As far as driver's screwing their teams..I seem to recall Senna demanding so much money from McLaren in 1993 that they had to actually pull money out of the car's development budget to cover his pay slip...the whole time Senna knew he was jumping ship to Williams...
"Thanks for the three world titles and the big pay increase Ron, I'm out of here."
I'll be happy if either Jenson or Rubens has a breakout year, but on the evidence so far I think Jenson is going to have the edge. Now once Ruben's gets Honda's engine guys on his side like Senna did at McLaren.... :devil:[/QUOTE]
I was a big supporter of Button before Buttongate happened, but that dropped him down alot of pegs in my eyes. I just feel that Schumacher has more of a right to say something about a car or a team problem then Button does. He has proven himself as a driver 7 times! Button has yet to win a race in F1. I just feel that everyone hold him up so high when he doesnt deserve the praise...not yet. I think he is a very talented driver and will win some races before his time is up in this sport, I just dont think he is the second coming of Senna as some people would have you believe(Not directed at you Ferg, just the media in general).
I guess I am just disappointed more than anything in the way the last few years have gone for him. Being a supporter of Honda I had such high hopes for him and he has not delivered as of yet. I know the team struggled last year, but in 04 they had a very good car and he could not get a win. I guess in my eyes, he has to prove himself to me and earn back the respect he lost in last few years due to his off the track antics on top of a less the steller season. I will just have to wait and see, the jury is still out on him at this point.
On another note, it is nice to see an American back in F1. I hope Speed does well. I know I will be supporting him at the Canadian GP this year.
| artkevin | 02-16-2006 11:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg]
I agree completely about the Buttongate crap, and his standing with me did go down quite a few pegs (mostly because I'm a BIG Frank Williams supporter) but whatever, that doesn't reflect on his abilities in the car..and that is what matters after all.
[/QUOTE]
+1
As far a Jense goes,he did have a chance to win a race and he kissed the wall in Canada last year. 100% his fault and when he got out of the car he looked like he didn't care. Wasn't a fan of that.
I used to really like him and thought he was a stand up guy. I still hope he wins a few races but he needs to not ever pull another Buttongate again and treat what ever team he is with with more respect to make me a true supporter again.
I agree completely about the Buttongate crap, and his standing with me did go down quite a few pegs (mostly because I'm a BIG Frank Williams supporter) but whatever, that doesn't reflect on his abilities in the car..and that is what matters after all.
[/QUOTE]
+1
As far a Jense goes,he did have a chance to win a race and he kissed the wall in Canada last year. 100% his fault and when he got out of the car he looked like he didn't care. Wasn't a fan of that.
I used to really like him and thought he was a stand up guy. I still hope he wins a few races but he needs to not ever pull another Buttongate again and treat what ever team he is with with more respect to make me a true supporter again.
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 11:37 AM |
Good points all :)
Button will head a Honda 1-2 in Malaysia.
Or not :p
Button will head a Honda 1-2 in Malaysia.
Or not :p
| artkevin | 02-16-2006 11:54 AM |
Oh Ferg, you and your "or not"s.
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 12:08 PM |
Well I learned a long time ago that making accurate predictions about F1 is pretty much impossible...at least until the European season is underway.
Last year I did manage to call Fisi's walk at Melbourne...after that not so much.. :)
23 DAYS!!!!!
Last year I did manage to call Fisi's walk at Melbourne...after that not so much.. :)
23 DAYS!!!!!
| Ferg | 02-16-2006 12:11 PM |
Speed & Toro Rosso faster than Schumacher! :lol:
[QUOTE]Massa fastest again in Sahkir
Thursday, February 16th 2006, 17:04 GMT
Felipe Massa kept Ferrari on top of the times for the fourth consecutive day in testing at the Sahkir circuit in Bahrain.
It was the Honda of Jenson Button, however, who set the pace of the V8-engined cars.
Massa worked with the F2004 car fitted with the V10 engine, focusing again on tyre testing and car set-up.
World Champion Michael Schumacher, who yesterday hit trouble in the new 248 F1 car, had another short day of work, the German covering just 23 laps as he only ran late in the afternoon. Schumacher will be in action again tomorrow.
Button, who had another busy day with 133 laps covered, was second quickest in the first of the RA106 cars from Honda, while teammate Rubens Barrichello finished in fourth.
The Toro Rosso team wrapped up their four-day test, with Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott speed sharing testing duties with the RB1 car.
Liuzzi was in action in the morning while Speed took over in the afternoon to complete the programme, the Italian posting a promising third fastest time in the V10-powered car.
"First we went through a qualifying run to get everyone used to the new system for Saturday afternoons and then we repeated it with a different strategy," explained chief engineer Lauren Mekies. "Then Tonio did a couple of long runs, twenty laps each with refueling and tyre changing pit stops. Tonio did a fantastic job.
"The track conditions were very different in the afternoon, with the wind changing direction and it allowed us a good insight into what to do with the car if this should happen over the race weekend.
"Scott also did a good job and, over the four days as a whole, we completed a good mileage and the team of mechanics and engineers worked very well.
"We are still quite a way from where we want to be, but we are making progress."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:30.578 90
2. Button Honda (M) 1:31.261 133
3. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:31.385 56
4. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:31.590 97
5. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:32.623 62
6. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:32.909 23
All Timing Unofficial
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Massa fastest again in Sahkir
Thursday, February 16th 2006, 17:04 GMT
Felipe Massa kept Ferrari on top of the times for the fourth consecutive day in testing at the Sahkir circuit in Bahrain.
It was the Honda of Jenson Button, however, who set the pace of the V8-engined cars.
Massa worked with the F2004 car fitted with the V10 engine, focusing again on tyre testing and car set-up.
World Champion Michael Schumacher, who yesterday hit trouble in the new 248 F1 car, had another short day of work, the German covering just 23 laps as he only ran late in the afternoon. Schumacher will be in action again tomorrow.
Button, who had another busy day with 133 laps covered, was second quickest in the first of the RA106 cars from Honda, while teammate Rubens Barrichello finished in fourth.
The Toro Rosso team wrapped up their four-day test, with Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott speed sharing testing duties with the RB1 car.
Liuzzi was in action in the morning while Speed took over in the afternoon to complete the programme, the Italian posting a promising third fastest time in the V10-powered car.
"First we went through a qualifying run to get everyone used to the new system for Saturday afternoons and then we repeated it with a different strategy," explained chief engineer Lauren Mekies. "Then Tonio did a couple of long runs, twenty laps each with refueling and tyre changing pit stops. Tonio did a fantastic job.
"The track conditions were very different in the afternoon, with the wind changing direction and it allowed us a good insight into what to do with the car if this should happen over the race weekend.
"Scott also did a good job and, over the four days as a whole, we completed a good mileage and the team of mechanics and engineers worked very well.
"We are still quite a way from where we want to be, but we are making progress."
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:30.578 90
2. Button Honda (M) 1:31.261 133
3. Liuzzi Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:31.385 56
4. Barrichello Honda (M) 1:31.590 97
5. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (M) 1:32.623 62
6. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:32.909 23
All Timing Unofficial
[/QUOTE]
| TimStevens | 02-16-2006 12:13 PM |
w00t... Scott Speed = 2006 WDC!
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