| StuBeck | 03-14-2007 05:27 PM |
The new McLaren merchandise is already out at Hugo Boss. In London I almost bought the "Special edition" shirt for this year, but it was 50 quid and I didn't really like it completely, especially with no JPM at the team.
I think 11 points for winning is good. 12is too much, a point for fastest lap will make people still push towards the end of the race. A point for pole maybe, but it tends to make things more complicated.
I think 11 points for winning is good. 12is too much, a point for fastest lap will make people still push towards the end of the race. A point for pole maybe, but it tends to make things more complicated.
| MattDell | 03-15-2007 02:24 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17354542]A little OT but worth a mention.[/QUOTE]
Glad to see the USGP has a promoter this year! A good sign!
Glad to see the USGP has a promoter this year! A good sign!
| Ferg | 03-15-2007 10:53 AM |
Can't wait fo the video!
[QUOTE][B][U]Heidfeld to tackle the Nordschleife
[/U][/B]
Thursday, March 15th 2007, 10:30 GMT
BMW Sauber's F1.07 will become the first Formula One car in 31 years to tackle Nurburgring's legendary Nordschleife circuit.
German Nick Heidfeld will be doing the driving in the event, scheduled for 28th April.
Heidfeld's run around the 22-km track will be the highlight of a full day in the Eifel mountains with the BMW Motorsport racing arsenal.
"This day is our way of saying thank-you to the fans for their support," said BMW boss Mario Theissen. "BMW is a longstanding partner of the Nurburgring.
"With BMW Driver Training, BMW Adventure World, our 'Ring Taxi' rides and the Performance Center all based at the circuit, this is a kind of second home for us - as well as the scene of victories in all disciplines of racing.
"The Formula One car's laps of the Nordschleife will be the highlight of a day devoted to BMW Motorsport.
"Nick's demonstration will not be about setting records, but a tribute to a unique race track - one which is inextricably linked to the heritage of BMW Motorsport."
The BMW Sauber team will be joined at the Nurburgring by drivers and cars from the World Touring Car Championship. There will also be a large exhibition featuring BMW racing machines.
BMW works drivers will take passengers on a tour of the Nordschleife in the BMW M5 Ring Taxi, a BMW 320si WTCC or the Z4 M Coupe.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Heidfeld to tackle the Nordschleife
[/U][/B]
Thursday, March 15th 2007, 10:30 GMT
BMW Sauber's F1.07 will become the first Formula One car in 31 years to tackle Nurburgring's legendary Nordschleife circuit.
German Nick Heidfeld will be doing the driving in the event, scheduled for 28th April.
Heidfeld's run around the 22-km track will be the highlight of a full day in the Eifel mountains with the BMW Motorsport racing arsenal.
"This day is our way of saying thank-you to the fans for their support," said BMW boss Mario Theissen. "BMW is a longstanding partner of the Nurburgring.
"With BMW Driver Training, BMW Adventure World, our 'Ring Taxi' rides and the Performance Center all based at the circuit, this is a kind of second home for us - as well as the scene of victories in all disciplines of racing.
"The Formula One car's laps of the Nordschleife will be the highlight of a day devoted to BMW Motorsport.
"Nick's demonstration will not be about setting records, but a tribute to a unique race track - one which is inextricably linked to the heritage of BMW Motorsport."
The BMW Sauber team will be joined at the Nurburgring by drivers and cars from the World Touring Car Championship. There will also be a large exhibition featuring BMW racing machines.
BMW works drivers will take passengers on a tour of the Nordschleife in the BMW M5 Ring Taxi, a BMW 320si WTCC or the Z4 M Coupe.[/QUOTE]
| bitterWRX | 03-15-2007 11:02 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17354542]A little OT but worth a mention.
[QUOTE]MTV to follow Hayden
By Toby Moody Wednesday, March 14th 2007, 10:46 GMT
American cable television network MTV is to make a series of programmes following Nicky Hayden's championship defence throughout the 2007 season.
Following a successful pilot programme made over the winter, MTV bosses gave the green light for a further run of programmes.
A crew was present at the Estoril and Valencia races last season - ironically the most emotional of races for the Honda/Hayden combination - and it is this drama that MTV hope to capture throughout the season.
Cameras are expected to follow Hayden not just at the race track, but at home in Kentucky and at promotional appearances all over the world.
It is expected that the show will air in the latter part of the year.
America's TV presence is growing with the Red Bull US Grand Prix being aired live on the FOX channel this year after a new deal was recently announced. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
If this were to happen, I think Hayden will have a crappy season.
[QUOTE]MTV to follow Hayden
By Toby Moody Wednesday, March 14th 2007, 10:46 GMT
American cable television network MTV is to make a series of programmes following Nicky Hayden's championship defence throughout the 2007 season.
Following a successful pilot programme made over the winter, MTV bosses gave the green light for a further run of programmes.
A crew was present at the Estoril and Valencia races last season - ironically the most emotional of races for the Honda/Hayden combination - and it is this drama that MTV hope to capture throughout the season.
Cameras are expected to follow Hayden not just at the race track, but at home in Kentucky and at promotional appearances all over the world.
It is expected that the show will air in the latter part of the year.
America's TV presence is growing with the Red Bull US Grand Prix being aired live on the FOX channel this year after a new deal was recently announced. [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
If this were to happen, I think Hayden will have a crappy season.
| Ferg | 03-15-2007 11:22 AM |
Sadly I think Nicky's going to have a crappy season regardless. :(
| Wr4wrX | 03-15-2007 01:27 PM |
Seriously now...
[Quote]
[B]F1 could introduce brake lights this season[/B]
Thursday, March 15th 2007, 06:43 GMT
Formula One teams are evaluating a proposal to introduce brake lights on their cars during the course of the season, this week's Autosport magazine reveals.
All teams tried the system during testing at the Barcelona and Bahrain circuits at the end of last month to evaluate its benefits.
The introduction of the system is aimed at warning drivers if the car in front unexpectedly decelerates or brakes. In wet weather, the light would still function as the rear light cluster as it will divided into two parts.
"It should be helpful if a driver unexpectedly brakes in an unusual place," Red Bull driver David Coulthard told Autosport. "I can remember a few times where I've felt that the car in front has braked-tested me - now we will know with more certainty."
Coulthard's teammate Mark Webber doesn't believe the system will be very useful, however.
"I don't see a massive benefit for them personally," Webber told autosport.com in Melbourne. "I know there are a few boys that would like them, mainly because of the run to the first corner.
"After that you will just be following this thing that is going on and going off. And I don't think you would use it as a reference to help you."
The results of the tests will be discussed with drivers and teams at a later date but no decision has been taken about the device's future use.
It is believed that the earliest realistic target for its introduction would be at the Spanish Grand Prix in May.
[/Quote]
[Quote]
[B]F1 could introduce brake lights this season[/B]
Thursday, March 15th 2007, 06:43 GMT
Formula One teams are evaluating a proposal to introduce brake lights on their cars during the course of the season, this week's Autosport magazine reveals.
All teams tried the system during testing at the Barcelona and Bahrain circuits at the end of last month to evaluate its benefits.
The introduction of the system is aimed at warning drivers if the car in front unexpectedly decelerates or brakes. In wet weather, the light would still function as the rear light cluster as it will divided into two parts.
"It should be helpful if a driver unexpectedly brakes in an unusual place," Red Bull driver David Coulthard told Autosport. "I can remember a few times where I've felt that the car in front has braked-tested me - now we will know with more certainty."
Coulthard's teammate Mark Webber doesn't believe the system will be very useful, however.
"I don't see a massive benefit for them personally," Webber told autosport.com in Melbourne. "I know there are a few boys that would like them, mainly because of the run to the first corner.
"After that you will just be following this thing that is going on and going off. And I don't think you would use it as a reference to help you."
The results of the tests will be discussed with drivers and teams at a later date but no decision has been taken about the device's future use.
It is believed that the earliest realistic target for its introduction would be at the Spanish Grand Prix in May.
[/Quote]
| KAX | 03-15-2007 02:02 PM |
if they had that last year at monaco, everyone could have seen how michael intentionally put his car in the wall. probably would have prevented the whole thing from happening.
| KAX | 03-15-2007 02:24 PM |
Anyone have any idea what the new SPEED show "Formula1 Plus" is going to be?
It looks like its just replay'd races, but I'm not sure.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/programs/496/[/url]
It looks like its just replay'd races, but I'm not sure.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/programs/496/[/url]
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 03-15-2007 04:05 PM |
:banana: :banana: :banana:
It's here!!! It's almost time!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:
It's here!!! It's almost time!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:
| John__Gotti | 03-15-2007 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;17366301]Anyone have any idea what the new SPEED show "Formula1 Plus" is going to be?
It looks like its just replay'd races, but I'm not sure.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/programs/496/[/url][/QUOTE]
Looks like either a reply of the race or a review of the previous race.
F1 could introduce brake lights this season; Ok I agree with Webber on this one, this is just stupid.
And;
[SIZE="7"]THANK GOD[/SIZE], not sure I could go much longer waiting for this season to begin. Resorted to watching anything F1 related on youtube all week.
It looks like its just replay'd races, but I'm not sure.
[url]http://www.speedtv.com/programs/496/[/url][/QUOTE]
Looks like either a reply of the race or a review of the previous race.
F1 could introduce brake lights this season; Ok I agree with Webber on this one, this is just stupid.
And;
[SIZE="7"]THANK GOD[/SIZE], not sure I could go much longer waiting for this season to begin. Resorted to watching anything F1 related on youtube all week.
| nick735 | 03-15-2007 04:42 PM |
THANK GOD kimi left before mclaren went ghey
[URL="https://www.mclaren.co.uk/eshop/item.php?id=V02D1T5"]2007 Official Mclaren Merchandise [/URL]
[IMG]https://www.mclaren.co.uk/eshop/images/small/V02D1T5_1.jpg[/IMG]
[URL="https://www.mclaren.co.uk/eshop/item.php?id=V02D1T5"]2007 Official Mclaren Merchandise [/URL]
[IMG]https://www.mclaren.co.uk/eshop/images/small/V02D1T5_1.jpg[/IMG]
| Ferg | 03-15-2007 09:47 PM |
At least it looks better than those horrible Hypercolor shirts from last season!
| Gundoo | 03-15-2007 10:50 PM |
practice in 10 minutes, kids.
the driving isnt terribly interesting for me but the speedtv guys have TONS of neat thigns to say.
the driving isnt terribly interesting for me but the speedtv guys have TONS of neat thigns to say.
| ptclaus98 | 03-16-2007 12:40 AM |
Even through the crappy signal, I'm loving the new onboards.
| John__Gotti | 03-16-2007 01:16 AM |
Well all the cars are looking very good. The Honda actually doesn't look too bad go around the track but when they show the onboard, I think like Peter said "There is Jensen sitting in the swamp", it looks god awful. Very impressed with the speed being shown by the BMW. I said about two months ago that I predict good things for that squad this year so we will have to see what becomes of it. I think my biggest surprize was Hamilton, very impressive. I didn't really follow much of GP2, where he took it apart I hear, but he is showing great promise. If practice is any indictation of the race, which it sometimes is, this should be the start of a very interesting season. Well hope you all enjoyed practice but I am a little saddened as I will more then likely miss the race since I have to go away on business on Sunday. PVR will be running but I know I will look on here Monday to find the outcome which sort of spoils it when you go to see it.
| bitterWRX | 03-16-2007 03:28 AM |
Go Super Aguri!!! :D
| Wr4wrX | 03-17-2007 02:03 AM |
Mandating brake lights is one thing, but stability control? C'mon, Max...
[Quote]
[SIZE="4"]Dark cloud over F1[/SIZE]
By Andrew Benson
Motorsport editor
As Formula One prepares to start a new season in Australia on Sunday, there is a spectre hanging over it that could destroy the very essence of the sport.
Powerful forces are considering the introduction of a technology that would effectively remove the contribution of drivers.
Anyone who thinks Grand Prix racing is already effectively a battle between pit-lane engineers and tacticians has seen nothing compared to what would happen if this technology was introduced.
F1 would no longer be a sport. It would become an exercise in technology in which the speed of the car was the only factor that influenced the outcome of races.
Motorsport's governing body, [B]the FIA, is in talks with road-car manufacturers about the introduction of stability control into F1.[/B]
Stability control is an electronic system that is already widely used in road cars, where it saves drivers from themselves.
If you go into a corner too fast, the system takes over, braking the four wheels independently to ensure the car does not go off the road.
Used in F1, it would ensure corners were taken at the maximum possible speed.
It would remove almost all differences between the skills of the drivers, leaving a great driver with no advantage over a merely good one.
A driver would simply have to brake and turn in at approximately the right points, and let the electronic systems take care of the rest.
Whether by accident or design, this development has happened quietly.
It emerged in a low-key way at a news conference given by FIA president Max Mosley and BMW executive Burkhard Goeschl.
Mosley talked about "new revolutions, particularly in the relationship between electronics and the chassis".
But this was largely ignored at the time because of the reason given for holding the conference - the declaration of peace in the five-year battle between the FIA and F1's road-car manufacturers.
Since then, discussions on the technology's possible use in F1 have been held in what the FIA calls its "horizon group", but there have been no further announcements.
Patrick Head, director of engineering and co-owner of the Williams team, describes discussion of stability control as "an interesting and complete about-face from Max".
That is because for years Mosley has been talking about limiting expensive technologies in F1.
He banned the use of driver-aids such as traction control and anti-lock braking as long ago as 1994, and had continued to advocate limiting them in the intervening years.
As recently as last year, Mosley was talking about F1 cars having standard electronics, as a means of cutting costs and ensuring the absence of driver-aids.
Yet now, in Head's words, "we seem to be on a road map to introducing a lot of technologies in the future".
Head adds: "Stability control as it is understood - where you manage the engine and the braking system to put torque on different wheels to either overcome driver errors or optimise the car's performance - is the strongest driver-aid you could possibly imagine.
"It is completely the opposite direction from the one in which Max has been taking us."
It is obvious why the idea appeals to the road-car manufacturers.
To them, F1's appeal is not only as a marketing tool to help sell road cars.
They want to use F1 to develop and refine technologies that are either already in use in road cars, or could be in the future, and then use their success in F1 to persuade the public to buy the cars that contain then.
When it comes to plans to use F1 to develop systems that store energy generated during braking and re-apply it while accelerating to create a more efficient car, that makes sense.
Energy recovery systems - such as those used in so-called hybrid road cars - are considered vital to the the future of personal transport because they reduce the consumption of fossil fuels.
Equally, though, they do not harm the delicate balance in F1 between the car and the driver.
Stability control has allowed huge steps forward in road-car safety, but it would remove half of what F1 has always been about - the best drivers battling to the limit in the world's fastest cars.
More alarmingly for the future of a sport which is already seeing its TV audiences dwindle, most spectators are far more interested in the battles between the drivers than they are in the technologies in their cars.
Who wants to watch a sport in which you could guarantee, as Gascoyne puts it, "the quickest car would win, because you'd get fewer and fewer mistakes"?
"As a racing fan, it is not the way we should go," Gascoyne adds.
"Sport is about the random element. You can get an upset. Norwich can hold on against Chelsea and break away and score a goal.
"All you'd be doing with this is taking away the chance of an upset. Is that what F1 needs? No, I don't think it is."
The FIA insists no decision has been made on stability control.
"It would be premature to describe it as a U-turn," a spokesman said, "when I'm not in a position to say whether it's a direction we'll go in.
"We have always said it is a question of getting the right balance between technology and drivers - and we're not saying anything different from that now.
"I'm not even sure we're close to a set of discussions where it could happen."
Mosley has talked about the "enormous possibilities" of "allowing more electronics - things to do with chassis dynamics".
But in terms of F1's spectacle, those possibilities are only negative.
Mosley and the road-car manufacturers might do better to pay more attention to another of the FIA president's phrases - that there are "whole areas of technology which you can't use in F1 for one reason or another" - and abandon the idea right away.
[/Quote]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6447171.stm[/url]
[Quote]
[SIZE="4"]Dark cloud over F1[/SIZE]
By Andrew Benson
Motorsport editor
As Formula One prepares to start a new season in Australia on Sunday, there is a spectre hanging over it that could destroy the very essence of the sport.
Powerful forces are considering the introduction of a technology that would effectively remove the contribution of drivers.
Anyone who thinks Grand Prix racing is already effectively a battle between pit-lane engineers and tacticians has seen nothing compared to what would happen if this technology was introduced.
F1 would no longer be a sport. It would become an exercise in technology in which the speed of the car was the only factor that influenced the outcome of races.
Motorsport's governing body, [B]the FIA, is in talks with road-car manufacturers about the introduction of stability control into F1.[/B]
Stability control is an electronic system that is already widely used in road cars, where it saves drivers from themselves.
If you go into a corner too fast, the system takes over, braking the four wheels independently to ensure the car does not go off the road.
Used in F1, it would ensure corners were taken at the maximum possible speed.
It would remove almost all differences between the skills of the drivers, leaving a great driver with no advantage over a merely good one.
A driver would simply have to brake and turn in at approximately the right points, and let the electronic systems take care of the rest.
Whether by accident or design, this development has happened quietly.
It emerged in a low-key way at a news conference given by FIA president Max Mosley and BMW executive Burkhard Goeschl.
Mosley talked about "new revolutions, particularly in the relationship between electronics and the chassis".
But this was largely ignored at the time because of the reason given for holding the conference - the declaration of peace in the five-year battle between the FIA and F1's road-car manufacturers.
Since then, discussions on the technology's possible use in F1 have been held in what the FIA calls its "horizon group", but there have been no further announcements.
Patrick Head, director of engineering and co-owner of the Williams team, describes discussion of stability control as "an interesting and complete about-face from Max".
That is because for years Mosley has been talking about limiting expensive technologies in F1.
He banned the use of driver-aids such as traction control and anti-lock braking as long ago as 1994, and had continued to advocate limiting them in the intervening years.
As recently as last year, Mosley was talking about F1 cars having standard electronics, as a means of cutting costs and ensuring the absence of driver-aids.
Yet now, in Head's words, "we seem to be on a road map to introducing a lot of technologies in the future".
Head adds: "Stability control as it is understood - where you manage the engine and the braking system to put torque on different wheels to either overcome driver errors or optimise the car's performance - is the strongest driver-aid you could possibly imagine.
"It is completely the opposite direction from the one in which Max has been taking us."
It is obvious why the idea appeals to the road-car manufacturers.
To them, F1's appeal is not only as a marketing tool to help sell road cars.
They want to use F1 to develop and refine technologies that are either already in use in road cars, or could be in the future, and then use their success in F1 to persuade the public to buy the cars that contain then.
When it comes to plans to use F1 to develop systems that store energy generated during braking and re-apply it while accelerating to create a more efficient car, that makes sense.
Energy recovery systems - such as those used in so-called hybrid road cars - are considered vital to the the future of personal transport because they reduce the consumption of fossil fuels.
Equally, though, they do not harm the delicate balance in F1 between the car and the driver.
Stability control has allowed huge steps forward in road-car safety, but it would remove half of what F1 has always been about - the best drivers battling to the limit in the world's fastest cars.
More alarmingly for the future of a sport which is already seeing its TV audiences dwindle, most spectators are far more interested in the battles between the drivers than they are in the technologies in their cars.
Who wants to watch a sport in which you could guarantee, as Gascoyne puts it, "the quickest car would win, because you'd get fewer and fewer mistakes"?
"As a racing fan, it is not the way we should go," Gascoyne adds.
"Sport is about the random element. You can get an upset. Norwich can hold on against Chelsea and break away and score a goal.
"All you'd be doing with this is taking away the chance of an upset. Is that what F1 needs? No, I don't think it is."
The FIA insists no decision has been made on stability control.
"It would be premature to describe it as a U-turn," a spokesman said, "when I'm not in a position to say whether it's a direction we'll go in.
"We have always said it is a question of getting the right balance between technology and drivers - and we're not saying anything different from that now.
"I'm not even sure we're close to a set of discussions where it could happen."
Mosley has talked about the "enormous possibilities" of "allowing more electronics - things to do with chassis dynamics".
But in terms of F1's spectacle, those possibilities are only negative.
Mosley and the road-car manufacturers might do better to pay more attention to another of the FIA president's phrases - that there are "whole areas of technology which you can't use in F1 for one reason or another" - and abandon the idea right away.
[/Quote]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6447171.stm[/url]
| blue blurr | 03-17-2007 02:04 AM |
Go Bmw! :)
| StuBeck | 03-21-2007 10:39 AM |
[quote]Ralf asks for patience for Toyota
Wednesday, March 21st 2007, 10:00 GMT
German driver Ralf Schumacher has asked Toyota fans to be patient as the Japanese squad continue their hunt for victory.
Toyota, who are celebrating their 50th year in motorsports this year, have yet to win a Formula One race in five seasons.
Schumacher finished eighth in the season-opener in Melbourne last Sunday, with Italian teammate Jarno Trulli ninth, but the German said his third season with the Japanese team was looking promising.
Finland's Kimi Raikkonen won the season-opener in his first outing with Ferrari, followed by last year's champion Fernando Alonso in McLaren, with the Spaniard's debutant teammate Lewis Hamilton third.
"Certainly it hasn't been as successful as I wished it to be," said Schumacher. "My time with Toyota is looking good and promising.
"But as you have seen F1 is a difficult business and you need patience," the German told reporters on Tuesday during his India visit for Toyota's new sponsor, Kingfisher Airlines.
"One thing is very clear, you can't buy success. You can't buy experience too," he said.
"You are fighting against teams that have been for 20, 30 years into that business. We are the only team in the last 15 years to have started from scratch," said the younger brother of Michael Schumacher.
"It takes a while," said Ralf, who had one podium finish last season with a third place in Melbourne.
Toyota finished sixth last year with 35 points and fourth in 2005 with 88 points when Trulli was runner-up in two races.
[/quote]
Apparently Stewart Grand Prix never existed, and he got lucky with Jordon being just outside of his window.
Wednesday, March 21st 2007, 10:00 GMT
German driver Ralf Schumacher has asked Toyota fans to be patient as the Japanese squad continue their hunt for victory.
Toyota, who are celebrating their 50th year in motorsports this year, have yet to win a Formula One race in five seasons.
Schumacher finished eighth in the season-opener in Melbourne last Sunday, with Italian teammate Jarno Trulli ninth, but the German said his third season with the Japanese team was looking promising.
Finland's Kimi Raikkonen won the season-opener in his first outing with Ferrari, followed by last year's champion Fernando Alonso in McLaren, with the Spaniard's debutant teammate Lewis Hamilton third.
"Certainly it hasn't been as successful as I wished it to be," said Schumacher. "My time with Toyota is looking good and promising.
"But as you have seen F1 is a difficult business and you need patience," the German told reporters on Tuesday during his India visit for Toyota's new sponsor, Kingfisher Airlines.
"One thing is very clear, you can't buy success. You can't buy experience too," he said.
"You are fighting against teams that have been for 20, 30 years into that business. We are the only team in the last 15 years to have started from scratch," said the younger brother of Michael Schumacher.
"It takes a while," said Ralf, who had one podium finish last season with a third place in Melbourne.
Toyota finished sixth last year with 35 points and fourth in 2005 with 88 points when Trulli was runner-up in two races.
[/quote]
Apparently Stewart Grand Prix never existed, and he got lucky with Jordon being just outside of his window.
| Indocti Discant | 03-21-2007 11:11 AM |
Bridgestone to rething Tire Markings (from F1-Live)
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Amid concerns that the 'white spot' solution basically failed to visibly distinguish Bridgestone's tyre options in Melbourne last weekend, it is understood that the Japanese supplier is now investigating possible new methods.
One of the methods being considered is the painting of the inside of a groove, making the tyre in question easily identifiable from a frontal view, after the 3cm white spot proved too difficult to identify by trained and untrained eyes at Albert Park.
Colouring the side walls, for instance to mirror the Champ Car style solution where the colour red is used, has been ruled out as Bridgestone seek a method that can easily be applied at the actual race circuits.
In the manufacturing process, all four of the different tyre types this year are produced with identical markings because it would not be clear at that stage whether they are destined to be the 'prime' or 'option' tyre at a specific event.
It is further understood that Bridgestone settled on the use of white for the current 'spot' solution after some teams baulked at the thought of colours that might clash with their livery.
The small size of the current dot, meanwhile, was an attempt to minimise the aesthetic effect on the branded tyres and reduce the time it took for Bridgestone's personnel to apply the marking.
One of the methods being considered is the painting of the inside of a groove, making the tyre in question easily identifiable from a frontal view, after the 3cm white spot proved too difficult to identify by trained and untrained eyes at Albert Park.
Colouring the side walls, for instance to mirror the Champ Car style solution where the colour red is used, has been ruled out as Bridgestone seek a method that can easily be applied at the actual race circuits.
In the manufacturing process, all four of the different tyre types this year are produced with identical markings because it would not be clear at that stage whether they are destined to be the 'prime' or 'option' tyre at a specific event.
It is further understood that Bridgestone settled on the use of white for the current 'spot' solution after some teams baulked at the thought of colours that might clash with their livery.
The small size of the current dot, meanwhile, was an attempt to minimise the aesthetic effect on the branded tyres and reduce the time it took for Bridgestone's personnel to apply the marking.
| Ferg | 03-21-2007 11:28 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;17431741]Apparently Stewart Grand Prix never existed, and he got lucky with Jordon being just outside of his window.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing he means teams that are still around.
Stewart and Jordan have both long be resigned to the history books.
There was a really nice write up by Roebuck a few weeks ago where he was amazed how much has changed in just the last ten years.
The best example he gave was that out of the 12 teams that started the 1997 season only three, Williams, Ferrari, and McLaren are still around today. Stewart (which began in 1997) became Jaguar which became Red Bull. Jordan became Midland then Spyker. Minardi has become Toro Rosso. Sauber morphed into BMW. Bennetton into Renault. Tyrell, Prost, Arrows, and Lola have gone completely.
I'm guessing he means teams that are still around.
Stewart and Jordan have both long be resigned to the history books.
There was a really nice write up by Roebuck a few weeks ago where he was amazed how much has changed in just the last ten years.
The best example he gave was that out of the 12 teams that started the 1997 season only three, Williams, Ferrari, and McLaren are still around today. Stewart (which began in 1997) became Jaguar which became Red Bull. Jordan became Midland then Spyker. Minardi has become Toro Rosso. Sauber morphed into BMW. Bennetton into Renault. Tyrell, Prost, Arrows, and Lola have gone completely.
| hikeeba | 03-21-2007 11:35 AM |
The tire (tyre) marking thing is retarded. Colored outer sidewalls may 'clash' with a team's livery, but if that is the case, why haven't the teams put any restrictions on driver helmet colors/graphics? Just put some sort of obvious mark on the rubber and get on with it. I'm all for the glitz and glamour associated with the sport, but to worry how the tire marking is going to negatively impact the 'look' of the car is dumb.
| StuBeck | 03-21-2007 11:38 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17432352]I'm guessing he means teams that are still around.
Stewart and Jordan have both long be resigned to the history books.
There was a really nice write up by Roebuck a few weeks ago where he was amazed how much has changed in just the last ten years.
The best example he gave was that out of the 12 teams that started the 1997 season only three, Williams, Ferrari, and McLaren are still around today. Stewart (which began in 1997) became Jaguar which became Red Bull. Jordan became Midland then Spyker. Minardi has become Toro Rosso. Sauber morphed into BMW. Bennetton into Renault. Tyrell, Prost, Arrows, and Lola have gone completely.[/QUOTE]
But even Stewart won in their first three years with a tiny budget. I'm guessing he's just retarded and actually thinks he's worth the money he's getting.
Stewart and Jordan have both long be resigned to the history books.
There was a really nice write up by Roebuck a few weeks ago where he was amazed how much has changed in just the last ten years.
The best example he gave was that out of the 12 teams that started the 1997 season only three, Williams, Ferrari, and McLaren are still around today. Stewart (which began in 1997) became Jaguar which became Red Bull. Jordan became Midland then Spyker. Minardi has become Toro Rosso. Sauber morphed into BMW. Bennetton into Renault. Tyrell, Prost, Arrows, and Lola have gone completely.[/QUOTE]
But even Stewart won in their first three years with a tiny budget. I'm guessing he's just retarded and actually thinks he's worth the money he's getting.
| Ferg | 03-21-2007 11:49 AM |
Stewart's win was about the luckiest thing I've ever seen.
I remember just about everyone (and I mean EVERYONE!) throwing that race away before Herbert came through. Hell, both Minardis were on the verge of scoring points.
I remember just about everyone (and I mean EVERYONE!) throwing that race away before Herbert came through. Hell, both Minardis were on the verge of scoring points.
| artkevin | 03-21-2007 12:42 PM |
[QUOTE=owace;17432131]It is further understood that Bridgestone settled on the use of white for the current 'spot' solution after [B]some teams baulked at the thought of colours that might clash with their livery.[/B]
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Man I really hope Renault was not one of the teams talking about clashing colors:lol:
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Man I really hope Renault was not one of the teams talking about clashing colors:lol:
| StuBeck | 03-21-2007 01:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17432646]Stewart's win was about the luckiest thing I've ever seen.
I remember just about everyone (and I mean EVERYONE!) throwing that race away before Herbert came through. Hell, both Minardis were on the verge of scoring points.[/QUOTE]
Not really. They had the right strategy that day and played the weather correctly. By that logic Schumacher's win in Oz 02 was luck because Webber got 5th and Yoong got 7th.
Stewart had been strong all season long (Barrichello was leading in Brazil when his car died on him), that is why they finished fourth. Toyota has never really been near a win.
I remember just about everyone (and I mean EVERYONE!) throwing that race away before Herbert came through. Hell, both Minardis were on the verge of scoring points.[/QUOTE]
Not really. They had the right strategy that day and played the weather correctly. By that logic Schumacher's win in Oz 02 was luck because Webber got 5th and Yoong got 7th.
Stewart had been strong all season long (Barrichello was leading in Brazil when his car died on him), that is why they finished fourth. Toyota has never really been near a win.
| Ferg | 03-21-2007 01:17 PM |
I'll have to go and look but the list of cars that ended up retiring from that race was long and distinguished.
I don't want to take anything away from Herbert and Stewart, I supported them both back in the day (and will be rooting for Johnny at Le Mans this year), and they did keep their car on the road till the end. But that doesn't change the fact it was a very, and I mean [i]extremely[/i] lucky win.
Of course with all that said Ralfie should have qualified his comment with the words, "that are still around...". Then again he's paid to drive (there's an easy joke there I'm sure) not give history lessons.
No matter what he or Toyota say, they've done nothing but underachieve since entering F1. 2005 aside.
I don't want to take anything away from Herbert and Stewart, I supported them both back in the day (and will be rooting for Johnny at Le Mans this year), and they did keep their car on the road till the end. But that doesn't change the fact it was a very, and I mean [i]extremely[/i] lucky win.
Of course with all that said Ralfie should have qualified his comment with the words, "that are still around...". Then again he's paid to drive (there's an easy joke there I'm sure) not give history lessons.
No matter what he or Toyota say, they've done nothing but underachieve since entering F1. 2005 aside.
| Ferg | 03-21-2007 01:31 PM |
Couldn't find an official review but someone put together a music video with highlights from that race... I had forgotten about Ferrari loosing poor Eddie's tire. :lol:
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgD8_xB2BA]YouTube Linky[/URL]
Definitely one of those races where the last man standing wins.
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgD8_xB2BA]YouTube Linky[/URL]
Definitely one of those races where the last man standing wins.
| Indocti Discant | 03-21-2007 02:07 PM |
[quote=Ferg;17434039]Couldn't find an official review but someone put together a music video with highlights from that race... I had forgotten about Ferrari loosing poor Eddie's tire. :lol:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgD8_xB2BA"]YouTube Linky[/URL]
Definitely one of those races where the last man standing wins.[/quote]
:huh::eek::eek: that was some craziness...:lol::lol:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgD8_xB2BA"]YouTube Linky[/URL]
Definitely one of those races where the last man standing wins.[/quote]
:huh::eek::eek: that was some craziness...:lol::lol:
| bemani | 03-21-2007 02:08 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17433346]Man I really hope Renault was not one of the teams talking about clashing colors:lol:[/QUOTE]
They should just make the teams paint some color rings on the softer tires themselves. Whatever color they want as long as it is not white or black.
They should just make the teams paint some color rings on the softer tires themselves. Whatever color they want as long as it is not white or black.
| Ferg | 03-21-2007 02:33 PM |
Never saw this before...had me in tears.
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Q_9VYU9FE]Murray & Damon for Pizza Hut[/URL]
:lol:
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Q_9VYU9FE]Murray & Damon for Pizza Hut[/URL]
:lol:
| artkevin | 03-21-2007 07:25 PM |
That was actually pretty funny!
| TimStevens | 03-21-2007 07:48 PM |
Poor Damon...no respect.
| MattDell | 03-21-2007 10:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17434955]Never saw this before...had me in tears.
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Q_9VYU9FE]Murray & Damon for Pizza Hut[/URL]
:lol:[/QUOTE]
They have Pizza Hut in England?
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4Q_9VYU9FE]Murray & Damon for Pizza Hut[/URL]
:lol:[/QUOTE]
They have Pizza Hut in England?
| artkevin | 03-21-2007 11:35 PM |
Only the best pies this side of the pond!
Check out the chin of Ruben's helmet
[IMG]http://b.f1-facts.com/ul/a/4817[/IMG]
Check out the chin of Ruben's helmet
[IMG]http://b.f1-facts.com/ul/a/4817[/IMG]
| thejaredhuang | 03-22-2007 12:42 AM |
[QUOTE=owace;17432131]The small size of the current dot, meanwhile, was an attempt to minimise the aesthetic effect on the branded tyres and reduce the time it took for Bridgestone's personnel to apply the marking.[/QUOTE]
This is such bull, I watched Speed's coverage and Varsha said that they didn't want the white band because it was in champ car. He also said Bridgestone is just playing this game because they didn't want tires to disappear from the news after they standardized it.
They should stop screwing with F1. They took active suspension away, but now they want stability control? Sometimes the F1 bosses act like complete retards.
Nice Euro 99 and Pizza Hut videos.
This is such bull, I watched Speed's coverage and Varsha said that they didn't want the white band because it was in champ car. He also said Bridgestone is just playing this game because they didn't want tires to disappear from the news after they standardized it.
They should stop screwing with F1. They took active suspension away, but now they want stability control? Sometimes the F1 bosses act like complete retards.
Nice Euro 99 and Pizza Hut videos.
| OnTheGas | 03-22-2007 02:39 AM |
Moving floors... which way do they move?
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Over in the Aussie GP thread, [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17422948&postcount=301"]I had posted[/URL] that I thought it strange that [URL="http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/36099/"]Adam Cooper's exclusive for Racer / SpeedTV.com[/URL] noted that the concern from the other teams is that the floor of the Ferrari (and BMW, if I recall correctly), moves [b]down[/b], and creates an aerodynamic stall at high speed. The next day, Tuesday, Autosport publishes [URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57511"]an otherwise nice analysis of this matter[/URL], which says that the concern is that the floor moves [b]up[/b] to cause the stall.
So I asked Adam Cooper, and I asked the writers of the Autosport article, Craig Scarborough and Biranit Goren, about the discrepancy.
Tonight, I come home to find that I had received a reply earlier today from Adam Cooper, who said that three of his sources, one w/FIA, "and two senior people from McLaren (not Ron!)," told him the concern was with the floor moving down.
And he pointed out again that the significance is that FIA's current tests only measure upward deflection of the floor. There is not a measurement of downward deflection of the floor. So if FIA decides that floors should not move down, they must develop a new test to enforce that.
No response on this from Autosport...
So I asked Adam Cooper, and I asked the writers of the Autosport article, Craig Scarborough and Biranit Goren, about the discrepancy.
Tonight, I come home to find that I had received a reply earlier today from Adam Cooper, who said that three of his sources, one w/FIA, "and two senior people from McLaren (not Ron!)," told him the concern was with the floor moving down.
And he pointed out again that the significance is that FIA's current tests only measure upward deflection of the floor. There is not a measurement of downward deflection of the floor. So if FIA decides that floors should not move down, they must develop a new test to enforce that.
No response on this from Autosport...
| StuBeck | 03-22-2007 09:44 AM |
[QUOTE=MattDell;17441254]They have Pizza Hut in England?[/QUOTE]
They LOVE Subway there. Burger king usually had a fairly large amount of people there too. There was another sort of ghetto fast food place I can't remember that everyone seemed to like a lot too.
They LOVE Subway there. Burger king usually had a fairly large amount of people there too. There was another sort of ghetto fast food place I can't remember that everyone seemed to like a lot too.
| artkevin | 03-22-2007 10:59 AM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;17443082]Over in the Aussie GP thread, [URL="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17422948&postcount=301"]I had posted[/URL] that I thought it strange that [URL="http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/36099/"]Adam Cooper's exclusive for Racer / SpeedTV.com[/URL] noted that the concern from the other teams is that the floor of the Ferrari (and BMW, if I recall correctly), moves [b]down[/b], and creates an aerodynamic stall at high speed. The next day, Tuesday, Autosport publishes [URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/57511"]an otherwise nice analysis of this matter[/URL], which says that the concern is that the floor moves [b]up[/b] to cause the stall.
So I asked Adam Cooper, and I asked the writers of the Autosport article, Craig Scarborough and Biranit Goren, about the discrepancy.
Tonight, I come home to find that I had received a reply earlier today from Adam Cooper, who said that three of his sources, one w/FIA, "and two senior people from McLaren (not Ron!)," told him the concern was with the floor moving down.
And he pointed out again that the significance is that FIA's current tests only measure upward deflection of the floor. There is not a measurement of downward deflection of the floor. So if FIA decides that floors should not move down, they must develop a new test to enforce that.
No response on this from Autosport...[/QUOTE]
NICE research sir! Way to go to the source.
So I asked Adam Cooper, and I asked the writers of the Autosport article, Craig Scarborough and Biranit Goren, about the discrepancy.
Tonight, I come home to find that I had received a reply earlier today from Adam Cooper, who said that three of his sources, one w/FIA, "and two senior people from McLaren (not Ron!)," told him the concern was with the floor moving down.
And he pointed out again that the significance is that FIA's current tests only measure upward deflection of the floor. There is not a measurement of downward deflection of the floor. So if FIA decides that floors should not move down, they must develop a new test to enforce that.
No response on this from Autosport...[/QUOTE]
NICE research sir! Way to go to the source.
| OnTheGas | 03-22-2007 11:20 AM |
More on the weird moving floors issue
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[QUOTE=OnTheGas;17443082]...No response on this from Autosport...[/QUOTE]The new issue of the Autosport on-line journal is out, and Scarborough did a great job further analyzing the moving floor question... He points out that while the concern is that floor may move down, (which contradicts a small part of his previous analysis, but which was very helpful nonetheless), he additionally explains that the primary advantage of the aero stall created by a drooping splitter (my phrase), is that it moves the center of pressure forward, and closer to the center of gravity of the car. At high speed, typically the ctr of pressure moves back away from the center of gravity.
But then he also points out that this splitter is made from extremely heavy material, as it is part of the ballast system. So if it were possible for this thing to be pushed down by the air at high speed, then it may also flap up and down when the car goes over bumps & curbs, which would likely upset the over all handling.
Which implies that Ferrari's system would be either very clever to droop at speed, but not flap around over bumps, or it is does no such thing at all...
I did login to my email quickly this AM, and noticed a nice message from Craig, but I didn't really have time to read it... only scanned it. If there is something interesting, I'll share this evening.
But then he also points out that this splitter is made from extremely heavy material, as it is part of the ballast system. So if it were possible for this thing to be pushed down by the air at high speed, then it may also flap up and down when the car goes over bumps & curbs, which would likely upset the over all handling.
Which implies that Ferrari's system would be either very clever to droop at speed, but not flap around over bumps, or it is does no such thing at all...
I did login to my email quickly this AM, and noticed a nice message from Craig, but I didn't really have time to read it... only scanned it. If there is something interesting, I'll share this evening.
| Indocti Discant | 03-22-2007 04:23 PM |
[quote=artkevin;17441726]
[IMG]http://b.f1-facts.com/ul/a/4817[/IMG][/quote]
osama writing instruments. :huh: :alien:
[IMG]http://b.f1-facts.com/ul/a/4817[/IMG][/quote]
osama writing instruments. :huh: :alien:
| StuBeck | 03-22-2007 04:56 PM |
One of the Williams was sponsored by Bin Laden...and yes, it was Osama's family's company.But you have to remember his family disowned him decades ago.
| artkevin | 03-22-2007 05:31 PM |
Stu's right but Osama and the family are rich from their constrution biz. Osama gained so much power in Afghinastan (sp) by building it with his machines and cash.
[IMG]http://www.sopos.org/aufsaetze/3c116097b265c/formel1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.sopos.org/aufsaetze/3c116097b265c/formel1.jpg[/IMG]
| Ferg | 03-22-2007 09:03 PM |
Spyker unload with both barrels.
[QUOTE][B][U]Spyker launch arbitration proceedings[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 22nd 2007, 17:02 GMT
The Spyker team have begun their arbitration proceedings against Super Aguri and Toro Rosso over the use of customer cars in Formula One, autosport.com can reveal.
Just days after the Silverstone-based outfit vowed to take the matter to court as the customer car row nearly overshadowed on-track events at the Australian Grand Prix, sources have confirmed that the team have wasted little time in kicking off legal proceedings.
It is understood that both Super Aguri and Toro Rosso will now be issued with court papers within the next few days to notify them officially that the action is underway.
Spyker believe that both teams are breaking Formula One's rules because they have not designed and manufactured their own cars according to the wording of the Concorde Agreement.
Spyker believe that only teams that build their own cars should be eligible for constructors' championship points.
Super Aguri are running a development version of the Honda RA106, while Toro Rosso are racing a modified Red Bull Racing RB3. Both teams insist, however, that they fully comply with the regulations.
The matter will be overseen by the Chamber of Commerce in Lausanne, which rules on all disputes involving the Concorde Agreement.
Spyker originally protested Super Aguri after qualifying in Melbourne, but the race stewards ruled that they could not judge on the customer car issue because it was a Concorde Agreement matter.
Team boss Colin Kolles made it clear at the weekend that he was adamant that only constructors should be eligible for points in F1.
"We have a constructors' championship, and I repeat that: a constructors' championship," he told reporters. "So you have this defined in the Concorde Agreement. It is in singular and you must manufacture your car. This qualifies you to be a constructor."
Super Aguri's managing director Daniel Audetto told autosport.com at the Australian Grand Prix that if any rivals were unhappy about his team then they should take action to sort it out.
"We know what we did, we know what we are doing and we know that we are completely legal, so it is not our problem," he said. "They can do whatever they want. We cannot stop them to do it. They just do it.
"If they have something to complain about then they can just do it. Then we will see if they are right or they are wrong. But we are right."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Spyker launch arbitration proceedings[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 22nd 2007, 17:02 GMT
The Spyker team have begun their arbitration proceedings against Super Aguri and Toro Rosso over the use of customer cars in Formula One, autosport.com can reveal.
Just days after the Silverstone-based outfit vowed to take the matter to court as the customer car row nearly overshadowed on-track events at the Australian Grand Prix, sources have confirmed that the team have wasted little time in kicking off legal proceedings.
It is understood that both Super Aguri and Toro Rosso will now be issued with court papers within the next few days to notify them officially that the action is underway.
Spyker believe that both teams are breaking Formula One's rules because they have not designed and manufactured their own cars according to the wording of the Concorde Agreement.
Spyker believe that only teams that build their own cars should be eligible for constructors' championship points.
Super Aguri are running a development version of the Honda RA106, while Toro Rosso are racing a modified Red Bull Racing RB3. Both teams insist, however, that they fully comply with the regulations.
The matter will be overseen by the Chamber of Commerce in Lausanne, which rules on all disputes involving the Concorde Agreement.
Spyker originally protested Super Aguri after qualifying in Melbourne, but the race stewards ruled that they could not judge on the customer car issue because it was a Concorde Agreement matter.
Team boss Colin Kolles made it clear at the weekend that he was adamant that only constructors should be eligible for points in F1.
"We have a constructors' championship, and I repeat that: a constructors' championship," he told reporters. "So you have this defined in the Concorde Agreement. It is in singular and you must manufacture your car. This qualifies you to be a constructor."
Super Aguri's managing director Daniel Audetto told autosport.com at the Australian Grand Prix that if any rivals were unhappy about his team then they should take action to sort it out.
"We know what we did, we know what we are doing and we know that we are completely legal, so it is not our problem," he said. "They can do whatever they want. We cannot stop them to do it. They just do it.
"If they have something to complain about then they can just do it. Then we will see if they are right or they are wrong. But we are right."[/QUOTE]
| KAX | 03-22-2007 09:35 PM |
Has anyone really said anything about the legallity of those cars? Obviously it has to be written down somewhere if it is illegal. No one has really said anywhere whether or not they can do that.
| Ferg | 03-22-2007 09:41 PM |
Both teams (three if you throw in Red Bull) have stated repeatedly that they've checked with both their lawyers and the FIA and everyone has said they're legal.
This is going to be a long drawn out fight, probably resolved somewhere around the time the new rules kick in and any ruling will be irrelevant.
This is going to be a long drawn out fight, probably resolved somewhere around the time the new rules kick in and any ruling will be irrelevant.
| artkevin | 03-22-2007 11:44 PM |
Must have sound and quick time. Best sound of an F1 car(s) since the movie Grand Prix.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url]
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url]
| rupertberr | 03-22-2007 11:54 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17455204]Must have sound and quick time. Best sound of an F1 car(s) since the movie Grand Prix.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Nice!:eek: :devil:
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Nice!:eek: :devil:
| KAX | 03-23-2007 12:28 AM |
but the FIA itself hasnt said anything? Just seems stupid, if the FIA knows its legal, why let them go through the trouble of going through courts and whatnot. And why doesnt Spyker check with the FIA about its legality?
its just really confusing.
its just really confusing.
| Wr4wrX | 03-23-2007 02:22 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17455204]Must have sound and quick time. Best sound of an F1 car(s) since the movie Grand Prix.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Beautiful... Thanks, Kevin. I'm watching this non-stop...for the next two weeks until Malaysia.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Beautiful... Thanks, Kevin. I'm watching this non-stop...for the next two weeks until Malaysia.
| wvallwheeldrive | 03-23-2007 09:19 AM |
[quote=KAX;17455556]but the FIA itself hasnt said anything? Just seems stupid, if the FIA knows its legal, why let them go through the trouble of going through courts and whatnot. And why doesnt Spyker check with the FIA about its legality?
its just really confusing.[/quote]
[quote][U][B]Spyker launch arbitration proceedings
[/B][/U]By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 22nd 2007, 17:02 GMT
The Spyker team have begun their arbitration proceedings against Super Aguri and Toro Rosso over the use of customer cars in Formula One, autosport.com can reveal.
Just days after the Silverstone-based outfit vowed to take the matter to court as the customer car row nearly overshadowed on-track events at the Australian Grand Prix, sources have confirmed that the team have wasted little time in kicking off legal proceedings.
It is understood that both Super Aguri and Toro Rosso will now be issued with court papers within the next few days to notify them officially that the action is underway.
Spyker believe that both teams are breaking Formula One's rules because they have not designed and manufactured their own cars according to the wording of the Concorde Agreement.
Spyker believe that only teams that build their own cars should be eligible for constructors' championship points.
Super Aguri are running a development version of the Honda RA106, while Toro Rosso are racing a modified Red Bull Racing RB3. Both teams insist, however, that they fully comply with the regulations.
The matter will be overseen by the Chamber of Commerce in Lausanne, which rules on all disputes involving the Concorde Agreement.
[B]Spyker originally protested Super Aguri after qualifying in Melbourne, but the race stewards ruled that they could not judge on the customer car issue because it was a Concorde Agreement matter.
[/B]
Team boss Colin Kolles made it clear at the weekend that he was adamant that only constructors should be eligible for points in F1.
"We have a constructors' championship, and I repeat that: a constructors' championship," he told reporters. "So you have this defined in the Concorde Agreement. It is in singular and you must manufacture your car. This qualifies you to be a constructor."
Super Aguri's managing director Daniel Audetto told autosport.com at the Australian Grand Prix that if any rivals were unhappy about his team then they should take action to sort it out.
"We know what we did, we know what we are doing and we know that we are completely legal, so it is not our problem," he said. "They can do whatever they want. We cannot stop them to do it. They just do it.
"If they have something to complain about then they can just do it. Then we will see if they are right or they are wrong. But we are right." [/quote]
its not an FIA matter it was part of the concorde agreement
its just really confusing.[/quote]
[quote][U][B]Spyker launch arbitration proceedings
[/B][/U]By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 22nd 2007, 17:02 GMT
The Spyker team have begun their arbitration proceedings against Super Aguri and Toro Rosso over the use of customer cars in Formula One, autosport.com can reveal.
Just days after the Silverstone-based outfit vowed to take the matter to court as the customer car row nearly overshadowed on-track events at the Australian Grand Prix, sources have confirmed that the team have wasted little time in kicking off legal proceedings.
It is understood that both Super Aguri and Toro Rosso will now be issued with court papers within the next few days to notify them officially that the action is underway.
Spyker believe that both teams are breaking Formula One's rules because they have not designed and manufactured their own cars according to the wording of the Concorde Agreement.
Spyker believe that only teams that build their own cars should be eligible for constructors' championship points.
Super Aguri are running a development version of the Honda RA106, while Toro Rosso are racing a modified Red Bull Racing RB3. Both teams insist, however, that they fully comply with the regulations.
The matter will be overseen by the Chamber of Commerce in Lausanne, which rules on all disputes involving the Concorde Agreement.
[B]Spyker originally protested Super Aguri after qualifying in Melbourne, but the race stewards ruled that they could not judge on the customer car issue because it was a Concorde Agreement matter.
[/B]
Team boss Colin Kolles made it clear at the weekend that he was adamant that only constructors should be eligible for points in F1.
"We have a constructors' championship, and I repeat that: a constructors' championship," he told reporters. "So you have this defined in the Concorde Agreement. It is in singular and you must manufacture your car. This qualifies you to be a constructor."
Super Aguri's managing director Daniel Audetto told autosport.com at the Australian Grand Prix that if any rivals were unhappy about his team then they should take action to sort it out.
"We know what we did, we know what we are doing and we know that we are completely legal, so it is not our problem," he said. "They can do whatever they want. We cannot stop them to do it. They just do it.
"If they have something to complain about then they can just do it. Then we will see if they are right or they are wrong. But we are right." [/quote]
its not an FIA matter it was part of the concorde agreement
| StuBeck | 03-23-2007 09:35 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17455204]Must have sound and quick time. Best sound of an F1 car(s) since the movie Grand Prix.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow, that is nice. I used to play the game Grand Prix Legends and would choose the Ferrari specifically because of the sound more than anything.
[url]http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow, that is nice. I used to play the game Grand Prix Legends and would choose the Ferrari specifically because of the sound more than anything.
| KAX | 03-23-2007 02:40 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive;17457536]its not an FIA matter it was part of the concorde agreement[/QUOTE]
who controls the concord agreement? i thought that was with the FIA?
who controls the concord agreement? i thought that was with the FIA?
| OnTheGas | 03-23-2007 02:56 PM |
Osama writing instruments...
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[QUOTE=owace;17449903]osama writing instruments. :huh: :alien:[/QUOTE][URL="http://www.osama.com/"]aka Uni-ball pens, etc.[/URL]
| OnTheGas | 03-23-2007 03:05 PM |
Concorde Agreement
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[QUOTE=KAX;17461772]who controls the concord agreement? i thought that was with the FIA?[/QUOTE]The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde_agreement"]Concorde Agreement[/URL] is a secret contract between the F1 teams, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_Administration"]FOA[/URL], & FIA... Violations of the Concorde Agreement would be legal issues.
Since Spyker is pursuing this issue, I'm guessing there is a pot of money that they may obtain if they win... I don't know because I have not followed this issue.
Since Spyker is pursuing this issue, I'm guessing there is a pot of money that they may obtain if they win... I don't know because I have not followed this issue.
| Indocti Discant | 03-23-2007 03:52 PM |
[quote=OnTheGas;17462013][URL="http://www.osama.com/"]aka Uni-ball pens, etc.[/URL][/quote]
omg no weis...
:eek::eek:
:p
omg no weis...
:eek::eek:
:p
| StuBeck | 03-23-2007 04:30 PM |
Got my tickets for the US GP today.
| StuBeck | 03-23-2007 04:34 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;17462129]The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde_agreement"]Concorde Agreement[/URL] is a secret contract between the F1 teams, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_Administration"]FOA[/URL], & FIA... Violations of the Concorde Agreement would be legal issues.
Since Spyker is pursuing this issue, I'm guessing there is a pot of money that they may obtain if they win... I don't know because I have not followed this issue.[/QUOTE]
Spyker is looking to, at a minimum, get STR and SA (and maybe RBR) taken out of the constructors championship. This would mean Spyker would get the money that those in the top 10 get at the end of the year.
Since Spyker is pursuing this issue, I'm guessing there is a pot of money that they may obtain if they win... I don't know because I have not followed this issue.[/QUOTE]
Spyker is looking to, at a minimum, get STR and SA (and maybe RBR) taken out of the constructors championship. This would mean Spyker would get the money that those in the top 10 get at the end of the year.
| KAX | 03-23-2007 05:46 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;17462129]The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde_agreement"]Concorde Agreement[/URL] is a secret contract between the F1 teams, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_Administration"]FOA[/URL], & FIA... Violations of the Concorde Agreement would be legal issues.
Since Spyker is pursuing this issue, I'm guessing there is a pot of money that they may obtain if they win... I don't know because I have not followed this issue.[/QUOTE]
Got it, thanks for clearing it up.
Since Spyker is pursuing this issue, I'm guessing there is a pot of money that they may obtain if they win... I don't know because I have not followed this issue.[/QUOTE]
Got it, thanks for clearing it up.
| wvallwheeldrive | 03-23-2007 07:08 PM |
the FIA says theres got to be 11 teams with 2 cars each if 2 teams get thrown out would TR and SA even be allowed to run the cars
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