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F1, the 2007 Edition part 13

StuBeck 01-22-2007 02:24 PM

That's weird, I thought they were using the RA106 (or whatver it was called, last years Honda) but I'm guessing they are going for a few new changes anyways.
Fox 01-22-2007 04:50 PM

I believe the FIA has new crash-test requirements for this year, which understandably, a 2006 monocoque might not pass. Ferrari's press release for the F2007 even mentioned their new car weighed an additional 10 kg because of the increased strength needs around the cockpit.
KAX 01-22-2007 06:40 PM

perhaps FIAs way to ban reusing a chassis, without actually banning the use of an old chassis?
StuBeck 01-22-2007 07:04 PM

Nah, they've used old chassis before, like last years SA and the STR 01. That is what makes it so funny, everyone is pissy this year, but last year the two teams using customer chassis this year did the EXACT SAME THING! I think they realized this since the stupidness seems to have gone away.
Ferg 01-23-2007 08:31 AM

About time...

[QUOTE]Raikkonen makes Ferrari debut

Tuesday, January 23rd 2007, 10:48 GMT

Kimi Raikkonen finally made his debut at the wheel of a Ferrari Formula One car this morning, when he took to the Vallelunga circuit.

The Finn had yet to do any laps for his new team since leaving Mercedes-powered McLaren at the end of last year to replace Ferrari's retired seven-time world champion Michael Schumacher.

This morning, however, Raikkonen finally drove one of the Italian cars, on the first of a three-day test at the circuit near Rome.

Raikkonen took to the track in last year's 248 F1 ahead of his debut with the new F2007, completing his first acclimatisation laps.

Ferrari were forced to abandon plans to test at Mugello, much closer to their Maranello factory, because of predicted bad weather.

The weather at Vallelunga was not perfect, however, and Raikkonen drove on a damp track.[/QUOTE]
Ferg 01-23-2007 11:46 AM

A natural fit?

[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73455310/large.jpg[/IMG]
StuBeck 01-23-2007 11:48 AM

Are Renault running #3 and 4 this year?

His helmet explains why his helmet colors changed.
Ferg 01-23-2007 11:51 AM

Yeah, Renault have #3 and #4. Kimi has #6 for 2007.
sirfrankwilliams 01-23-2007 11:53 AM

His helmet design looks much diluted at Ferrari, the top design is about 40% the size it was at McLaren. :(
Ferg 01-23-2007 11:54 AM

It reminds me a lot of Schuey's early helmet.

I don't care for all the white.
sirfrankwilliams 01-23-2007 12:03 PM

Yep, it reminds me of exactly what happened to MS's helmet design when he joined Ferrari, which makes me think its important for the team that thier drivers appear more as Ferrari drivers than individuals.

[IMG]http://www.merchbilder.de/sho/bild1.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.worldofstock.com/slides/TRC1429.jpg[/IMG]

Now that I think about it for another minute, its most likely a Marlboro sponsoring issue that changes Ferrari driver helmet designs. Poo either way. ;)
Ferg 01-23-2007 12:08 PM

Can someone loan me a couple of million...

[URL=http://www.carsinternational.com/]Buy Four of Schuey's F1 Cars...[/URL]

[i]please....[/i]:p
sirfrankwilliams 01-23-2007 12:15 PM

$6,500,000 is a bargain

[IMG]http://www.racecar.co.uk/carsinternational/stock/images/schumacher.jpg[/IMG]
[SIZE=1]just $1,625,000 each[/SIZE] :p
Ferg 01-23-2007 12:22 PM

All I really want is the Jordan Ford 191. IMHO it's still the best looking "modern" Grand Prix car I've ever seen.

*drool*

[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73456614/original.jpg[/IMG]
Ferg 01-23-2007 12:55 PM

Kimi completes first test.

[QUOTE]Raikkonen completes maiden Ferrari test

Tuesday, January 23rd 2007, 17:33 GMT

Kimi Raikkonen completed on Tuesday his first day of testing with the Ferrari team on a cold and rainy day at the Vallelunga circuit.

Some 50 fans huddled in the stand at the track near Rome as the 27-year-old Finn, the heir apparent to retired seven times champion Michael Schumacher, got to grips with last year's 248 F1 car.

Raikkonen focused on getting to know the car, while teammate Felipe Massa worked at the wheel of the new F2007.

Raikkonen covered a total of 39 laps with a best time of 1:15.226. Massa was quicker with a best time of 1:14.493 after 74 laps.

Both Massa and Raikkonen continue testing at Vallelunga tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
StuBeck 01-23-2007 02:16 PM

Schumi's helmet was still fairly similar when he went to Ferrari. The blue on the top of his helmet stayed. He only switched to red because Barrichello's was blue and people were getting them confused on track.
artkevin 01-23-2007 02:46 PM

[QUOTE=StuBeck;16778411]Schumi's helmet was still fairly similar when he went to Ferrari. The blue on the top of his helmet stayed. He only switched to red because Barrichello's was blue and people were getting them confused on track.[/QUOTE]

Ture but his helmet also got less and less German and more and more Itlain.

I like Kimi's new lid, from the anlges I have seen with him on track it looks a little diluted but overall its a nice design.

Edit: found some new ones from the side.

[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67347.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67365.jpg[/IMG]
JoD 01-23-2007 03:08 PM

Love it! love it! love it!!
StuBeck 01-23-2007 03:43 PM

[QUOTE=artkevin;16778847]Ture but his helmet also got less and less German and more and more Itlain.

I like Kimi's new lid, from the anlges I have seen with him on track it looks a little diluted but overall its a nice design.

Edit: found some new ones from the side.

[/QUOTE]

Very true as well. I think Schumacher kept on feeling closer to the team so that is why he changed it, because he felt more Italian.

I like how Kimi's helmet is a bit less cluttered, but I did like the bigger black parts he had on the old one.
tdm74 01-23-2007 04:19 PM

[QUOTE=Ferg;16776660]All I really want is the Jordan Ford 191. IMHO it's still the best looking "modern" Grand Prix car I've ever seen.

*drool*

[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73456614/original.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

exactly, I love that car.
John__Gotti 01-23-2007 04:43 PM

[QUOTE=Ferg;16776660]All I really want is the Jordan Ford 191. IMHO it's still the best looking "modern" Grand Prix car I've ever seen.

*drool*QUOTE]

I would have to agree Ferg, the cars from the early 90's were much better looking then the current cars.


Kimi's helemt loooks not bad except for the Marlboro barcodes, they look stupid but guess they pay the bills.
artkevin 01-23-2007 05:27 PM

3rd'ed or 4th'ed on the Jordan. I just love the wide track cars of the 90s.
Sometimes while looking at the newest ones I kinda cry because they would look soooo much cooler 6in. wider.
StuBeck 01-23-2007 07:05 PM

I personally still prefer the old Williams FW-16 and Lotus 107B.

I love the old Williams too, when they first started to sculpt the front wings.

I guess I just like all of the F1 cars, except for a few from the 70's :p
gills 01-23-2007 07:19 PM

anyone else think Massa will outperform Raikonnen?
parker/slc/gc8fan 01-23-2007 07:30 PM

I told my friend yesterday that I think JPM is currently a better (more talented) driver than Michael S.


By looking at his face I could tell it took him a few seconds to formulate a thought. what an argument/debate that was.
TimStevens 01-23-2007 07:30 PM

Yep. I think Kimi will shine brighter, but Massa will score higher at the end of the season.
TimStevens 01-23-2007 07:34 PM

zomg, leaked Alonso MP4-22 test footage!

[url]http://www.digitaldisplacement.com/?p=2244[/url]

;)
StuBeck 01-23-2007 08:12 PM

I forgot how crappy those replays used to look. I'm surprised they aren't putting them into GTR 2 though.
REX8 01-23-2007 08:18 PM

[QUOTE=gills;16782845]anyone else think Massa will outperform Raikonnen?[/QUOTE]

I do. Nothing against Kimi.
REX8 01-23-2007 08:23 PM

[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;16782970]I told my friend yesterday that I think JPM is currently a better (more talented) driver than Michael S.


By looking at his face I could tell it took him a few seconds to formulate a thought. what an argument/debate that was.[/QUOTE]

Pretty tough argument to make.

You could argue that Montoya is capable of perhaps the faster one-off lap, as his car control is thought of by many as second to none, as represented by his outstanding string of poles with an uncompetitive BMW...

However TALENT, certainly should encompass more than just the potential of speed. How about consistency, coolness under pressure, etc. etc. all are part of talent. Those are things that JPM lacks (and I'm a huge fan).

Michael was always fast, seldom made a mistake, etc. etc. I'd take that over the potential or random showings of outstanding speed.

Mentally, MS is hands and feet above JPM...
TimStevens 01-23-2007 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=StuBeck;16783448]I forgot how crappy those replays used to look. I'm surprised they aren't putting them into GTR 2 though.[/QUOTE]

It shouldn't be long before a proper 2007 F1 mod is put together.
meebs 01-23-2007 09:42 PM

[QUOTE=gills;16782845]anyone else think Massa will outperform Raikonnen?[/QUOTE]

Nope! I'll even say we may see a repeat of 2002. :cool:
artkevin 01-23-2007 11:47 PM

[QUOTE=REX8;16783576]Pretty tough argument to make.

You could argue that Montoya is capable of perhaps the faster one-off lap, as his car control is thought of by many as second to none, as represented by his outstanding string of poles with an uncompetitive BMW...

However TALENT, certainly should encompass more than just the potential of speed. How about consistency, coolness under pressure, etc. etc. all are part of talent. Those are things that JPM lacks (and I'm a huge fan).

Michael was always fast, seldom made a mistake, etc. etc. I'd take that over the potential or random showings of outstanding speed.

Mentally, MS is hands and feet above JPM...[/QUOTE]

As an overall driver I agree but MS is not a perfect driver (not saying that you said that). When he had the right car and the right track he was perfect almost every single time and amazing to watch. He also had (strange to put in it in past tense) an amazing ability to change for situations, lack of gears, being but at the back of the field, rain etc. There was always something about his game that bothered the hell out me though. His red mist or as Ferg puts it, his evil twin that happens to be in the car sometimes instead of him. He would pull some reall boneheaded and exteremly dangerous moves.

Max Mosely said that he would have sent Alonso home in Hungary after he brake checked Doornbos in pratice if it were up to him but no mention of MS taking people out or putting himself and his competitors in horribly dangerous situations. I dunno know, my $0.02.
KAX 01-24-2007 12:05 AM

[QUOTE=artkevin;16786160]As an overall driver I agree but MS is not a perfect driver (not saying that you said that). When he had the right car and the right track he was perfect almost every single time and amazing to watch. He also had (strange to put in it in past tense) an amazing ability to change for situations, lack of gears, being but at the back of the field, rain etc. There was always something about his game that bothered the hell out me though. His red mist or as Ferg puts it, his evil twin that happens to be in the car sometimes instead of him. He would pull some reall boneheaded and exteremly dangerous moves.

Max Mosely said that he would have sent Alonso home in Hungary after he brake checked Doornbos in pratice if it were up to him but no mention of MS taking people out or putting himself and his competitors in horribly dangerous situations. I dunno know, my $0.02.[/QUOTE]

i think all that stuff deserves its own debate thread if you want to go into it. Though I would agree with your points, kevin, it doesn't put Montoya in the same class as schumi.
REX8 01-24-2007 12:07 AM

[QUOTE=KAX;16786345]i think all that stuff deserves its own debate thread if you want to go into it. Though I would agree with your points, kevin, it doesn't put Montoya in the same class as schumi.[/QUOTE]

I think he was just commenting on MS, not on the comparison.
Ferg 01-24-2007 12:08 AM

All this JPM talk is making misty eyed for 1999.

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hd9xAxaH4U]JPM Throwing Lock on an oval...[/URL]

*sigh*
Ferg 01-24-2007 12:16 AM

Detroit 1999 qualifying.

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vLC_zjPpY]JPM's Pole Lap...[/URL]

*sigh*
REX8 01-24-2007 12:20 AM

You know he'll be in a champ car again in no time...

Can't wait...:disco:
REX8 01-24-2007 12:23 AM

[QUOTE=Ferg;16786454]Detroit 1999 qualifying.

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vLC_zjPpY]JPM's Pole Lap...[/URL]

*sigh*[/QUOTE]

And THAT brought water to the eyes...the guy can lay it down. Perhaps the sickest lap in history. Skating it every corner. Just unreal.

His first Barber open-wheeled race, IIRC, someone got on the phone to Bob Bondurant and said "I've found the next world champion"

Its a shame he couldn't pull himself together...oh well...F1 will just be a little more boring from now on...

No toe to toe with MS video from the BMW days? They had some of the best F1 passing back and forth in the past 5 years...
REX8 01-24-2007 12:35 AM

Enough EMO...

Back to 07.

I might smirk if Massa can fend off Kimi...The guys in red shelled out a lot of money for the guy...
MattDell 01-24-2007 12:50 AM

I don't follow this... why aren't Renault 1 & 2 and Ferrari 3 & 4?



-Matt
Counterfit 01-24-2007 01:41 AM

The defending champion gets #1, his teammate #2, then it follows the Constructor's championship. That's why Ferrari had 1/2 in 1996 (Michael won in '95), and 3/4 in 2000 (won constructor's in 99, but Mika won the driver's).
[quote=REX8]They had some of the best F1 passing back and forth in the past 5 years...[/quote]
Absolutely agreed. His move to fake out MS at the 'ring in '03 was amazing. The last year at the Bus Stop (too bad Fisi didn't give enough room the next time JPM tried it ;)) was amazing. I need to find some video of them battling for the lead in some GP (did they do it at Canadia? I know there was MS/RS and MS/Rubens...)
MattDell 01-24-2007 01:46 AM

Hmm... I so knew that! :lol:


Alonso moving and Schumacher leaving threw me off!

-Matt
Ferg 01-24-2007 08:31 AM

For no other reason than it's super cool to watch over and over...

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsHLCaxzac]JPM Squeezes Kimi in 2002[/URL]


Oh, and news too.

[QUOTE]Raikkonen left hoping for more

By Michele Lostia and Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, January 24th 2007, 10:42 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen admitted he was left hoping for more after his maiden test with the Ferrari team was hindered by poor weather.

The Italian squad changed their testing plans from Mugello to Vallelunga near Rome as bad weather was predicted for the former track.

As it turned out, however, Ferrari were hit by rain during their first day of work, making Raikkonen's debut more complicated.

"My debut in the Ferrari went well, but honestly I had hoped for something more: I would have liked to drive it more in the dry instead of for just five laps," Raikkonen told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Yes, I'm happy, but I could have been a lot more. The seven tenths gap to Massa is surely down to that, because I didn't have time to change some things in the car," added the Finn, who spun spectacularly during his first day.

"These things can happen when you're looking for the limit. I tried to, but I still don't know much about the car, and in any case I never lost control so in the end the spin turned out to be quite enjoyable."

Raikkonen completed 39 laps in the old 248 F1 with a best time of 1:15.226. Teammate Felipe Massa covered 74 with the new F2007 car unveiled last week.

The Finn says he expects to test the new car next week, but admitted he saw no point in jumping straight into the F2007 without having tested the old car first.

"No, there's no point, the program is right as is. I look closely at the F2007 because I like it, and when I test it myself next week I'll know more about it," he said.

Raikkonen, who left McLaren after five years with them, is not expecting any problems adapting to his new team.

"There are many things different, I will have to get used to them, but I'm not exactly a rookie," he added.

"There's still a lot of pressure, I don't see differences from McLaren, of which I don't want to talk about anyway. It was a bit emotional, but in the circumstances I was more interested in the technical aspects than the emotional ones.[/QUOTE]
StuBeck 01-24-2007 08:40 AM

[QUOTE=Ferg;16786454]Detroit 1999 qualifying.

[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vLC_zjPpY]JPM's Pole Lap...[/URL]

*sigh*[/QUOTE]

That is why I became a fan of his.

I think he's going to stay in NASCAR for a while though.

I hope the customer car thing gets figured out before the race, it'd be retarded if SA and STR can't run the customer cars this year but they could last year...and that they weren't told it was an issue before the race. I wonder if the FIA will act the same as they did in 05 with Minardi and threaten the local courts with losing the race if they did anything to get past their decision.
artkevin 01-24-2007 09:36 AM

The R27:
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67400.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2007/team-renault/diapo_112.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2007/team-renault/diapo_109.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2007/team-renault/diapo_119.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.f1-live.com/f1/photos/2007/team-renault/diapo_123.jpg[/IMG]
StuBeck 01-24-2007 09:43 AM

Wow, that is very different from last years car, at least we should be able to tell it from the other cars. I like the orange on it.
Ferg 01-24-2007 09:55 AM

Wow.

Best livery I've seen in awhile.
tdm74 01-24-2007 10:24 AM

wow the Renault looks good
Counterfit 01-24-2007 10:46 AM

I think it's the ugliest since the BAR001.
JoD 01-24-2007 10:46 AM

Hmmm... New Renault. Jury is still out for me. Maybe it's just because I liked the old colors so much. And this is so different.

I need to let it digest a bit.
soldmyboxster 01-24-2007 11:00 AM

Sorry, but those colors don't go together well.
artkevin 01-24-2007 11:08 AM

They need to drop the yellow. It just clashes with the orange way too much for me.
BillT 01-24-2007 11:09 AM

[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;16790171]Sorry, but those colors don't go together well.[/QUOTE]

Agreed...looks hideous to me. They either need to ditch the orange or the blue and it would look pretty decent. Its a far cry from their attractive old livery.
StuBeck 01-24-2007 11:45 AM

I like the clashing of colors...but I'm an IT person, so I am not what anyone would call an artists.
Ferg 01-24-2007 12:07 PM

Weather gods not smiling on Ferrari...

[QUOTE]Ferrari hindered by poor weather

Wednesday, January 24th 2007, 16:29 GMT
The Ferrari team were again hit by poor weather at the Vallelunga circuit, where the Italian squad are carrying out their testing programme this week.

Kimi Raikkonen continued with his acclimatisation to his new team, again driving the old 248 F1 car, but the heavy rain and even a hailstorm made it impossible for the Finn to complete his programme.

Raikkonen covered just 20 laps with a best time of 1:22.299, while teammate Felipe Massa, at the wheel of the F2007, completed 31 with a fastest one of 1:18.767.

Following the poor day's work, the team have decided to expand their test, which will now finish on Friday.

Ferrari were originally scheduled to test at Mugello, but they decided to move to Vallelunga because of predicted snow.[/QUOTE]
Don Arm 01-24-2007 12:15 PM

Good :devil:
Fox 01-24-2007 12:27 PM

Count me with those saying that Renault livery is ugly. And I agree, the yellow is what ruins it.
JoD 01-24-2007 01:00 PM

[QUOTE=artkevin;16790292]They need to drop the yellow. It just clashes with the orange way too much for me.[/QUOTE]


After a second look - I agree with our resident artist. The scheme does nothing for me.


If you have too many sponsors with differing color schemes, I love the idea of Honda's zipper car. That thing ruled. I know you couldn't get away with ripping it off - but it's better than this hodge-podge.
StuBeck 01-24-2007 01:16 PM

Now that I look at it some more, I agree with Jody and Kevin.

The zipper car was cool, stupid that the FIA wouldn't let them run separately sponsors cars, but I think it was because no one else had thought of it before.

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