| Ferg | 12-07-2006 10:43 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16239291]Being an Irvine fan, take what I say with a grain fo salt, but in 99 Irvine did have this. Ferrari did not get behind him as much as I think they should have, making stupid mistakes like European GP and taking 20 seconds to get a 4th tyre for him. They lost the drivers championship that year because they made Irvine move over early in the season to get Schumacher a few extra points. I don't think they wanted Irvine to win the championship beause of all the effort they put into getting Schumaher the title the previous 3 years.[/QUOTE]
1999 was a weird season for Ferrari. Irvine won the opening race by attrition, then played second fiddle to Schumacher until Silverstone. After Schuey's accident Irvine could have won the race but blew his pitstop and came home second. He made up for that with a wonderful defensive win in Austria (his best race IMHO) but had to have Salo move over in Germany and Schumacher move over twice in Malaysia. I think Ferrari supported Irvine as much as they could but he ultimately just didn't have the speed to take on Mika.
[QUOTE]Look at Mclaren this year. When Montoya left their pace went up because they could design it specifically for Kimi's ability to deal with understeer, where Montoya couldn't.[/QUOTE]
I think Windsor nailed it a few weeks ago...
[QUOTE]Kimi's ability was never more obvious than in the McLaren/Montoya days - and the comparison is worth making because Felipe Massa is, today, somewhere up there with Montoya in terms of speed and an ability to win a race. Juan Pablo would complain of understeer; Kimi, more likely to be concerned with poor traction, would have his car slightly angled towards the apex before touching the brakes.
He'd initially turn the wheel more gently than would Juan; and - while Juan was dabbing the throttle and already releasing the positive lock - would apply the substance of the steering against a decreasing brake-pedal pressure; and would have a straighter, more compliant car on exit as a result of his extremely subtle throttle-teasing. Juan drove with heart, feel and reflex - and could never tame the McLaren's understeer. Kimi, driving with his head, his hands and his feet, was a quantum leap in front.[/QUOTE]
1999 was a weird season for Ferrari. Irvine won the opening race by attrition, then played second fiddle to Schumacher until Silverstone. After Schuey's accident Irvine could have won the race but blew his pitstop and came home second. He made up for that with a wonderful defensive win in Austria (his best race IMHO) but had to have Salo move over in Germany and Schumacher move over twice in Malaysia. I think Ferrari supported Irvine as much as they could but he ultimately just didn't have the speed to take on Mika.
[QUOTE]Look at Mclaren this year. When Montoya left their pace went up because they could design it specifically for Kimi's ability to deal with understeer, where Montoya couldn't.[/QUOTE]
I think Windsor nailed it a few weeks ago...
[QUOTE]Kimi's ability was never more obvious than in the McLaren/Montoya days - and the comparison is worth making because Felipe Massa is, today, somewhere up there with Montoya in terms of speed and an ability to win a race. Juan Pablo would complain of understeer; Kimi, more likely to be concerned with poor traction, would have his car slightly angled towards the apex before touching the brakes.
He'd initially turn the wheel more gently than would Juan; and - while Juan was dabbing the throttle and already releasing the positive lock - would apply the substance of the steering against a decreasing brake-pedal pressure; and would have a straighter, more compliant car on exit as a result of his extremely subtle throttle-teasing. Juan drove with heart, feel and reflex - and could never tame the McLaren's understeer. Kimi, driving with his head, his hands and his feet, was a quantum leap in front.[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 12-07-2006 11:08 AM |
Yep, that's the article I was refering to. Montoya never was able to deal with the understeer like Kimi was.
| Ferg | 12-07-2006 11:39 AM |
Lewis finds his feet...Jerez, Day Two.
[QUOTE]Hamilton fastest at Jerez
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, December 7th 2006, 16:21 GMT
Lewis Hamilton ended Ferrari's domination of winter testing when he topped the times for the first time at Jerez in Spain today.
The McLaren rookie, settling into his second full test as an official race driver, outpaced Renault's Giancarlo Fisichella by more than one second - which suggests he was focusing on low-fuel, new tyre runs rather than consistent race pace.
Rubens Barrichello was third quickest, leading the efforts for Honda Racing with teammate Jenson Button still unable to run because of the rib injury he picked up in a recent karting accident.
Honda's test driver Christian Klien, who was seventh quickest, caused the first red flag of the day when his RA106 stopped with mechanical problems shortly after 10:00am.
Nico Rosberg continued to get adjusted to Bridgestone's new 2007 rubber to set the fourth fastest time for Williams, while Ralf Schumacher was fifth overall for Toyota.
Felipe Massa was only sixth quickest, but his Ferrari team were surrounded by huge interest at the test as Kimi Raikkonen made a surprise appearance.
The Finn joined in the morning's technical meeting and then spent some time chatting to his future teammate.
Ninth fastest Nick Heidfeld, who was just slower than McLaren's Pedro de la Rosa, stopped on track just after 11:00am with a suspected electrical problem. His teammate Robert Kubica, who was 11th overall, also stopped just after lunch with a mechanical failure.
The only other incidents were at 11:00am, when Scott Speed spun off the track, and at 12:10pm, when Kamui Kobayashi stopped his Toyota on circuit with a transmission failure.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:18.684 78
2. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:19.685 63
3. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:19.784 111
4. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:19.962 105
5. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:20.024 70
6. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:20.046 60
7. Klien Honda (B) 1:20.055 99
8. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.141 64
9. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.167 97
10. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.204 78
11. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.461 88
12. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:20.556 107
13. Webber Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:20.596 89
14. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.701 112
15. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (B) 1:21.134 59
16. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:21.276 78
17. Kobayashi Toyota (B) 1:21.292 53
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Hamilton fastest at Jerez
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, December 7th 2006, 16:21 GMT
Lewis Hamilton ended Ferrari's domination of winter testing when he topped the times for the first time at Jerez in Spain today.
The McLaren rookie, settling into his second full test as an official race driver, outpaced Renault's Giancarlo Fisichella by more than one second - which suggests he was focusing on low-fuel, new tyre runs rather than consistent race pace.
Rubens Barrichello was third quickest, leading the efforts for Honda Racing with teammate Jenson Button still unable to run because of the rib injury he picked up in a recent karting accident.
Honda's test driver Christian Klien, who was seventh quickest, caused the first red flag of the day when his RA106 stopped with mechanical problems shortly after 10:00am.
Nico Rosberg continued to get adjusted to Bridgestone's new 2007 rubber to set the fourth fastest time for Williams, while Ralf Schumacher was fifth overall for Toyota.
Felipe Massa was only sixth quickest, but his Ferrari team were surrounded by huge interest at the test as Kimi Raikkonen made a surprise appearance.
The Finn joined in the morning's technical meeting and then spent some time chatting to his future teammate.
Ninth fastest Nick Heidfeld, who was just slower than McLaren's Pedro de la Rosa, stopped on track just after 11:00am with a suspected electrical problem. His teammate Robert Kubica, who was 11th overall, also stopped just after lunch with a mechanical failure.
The only other incidents were at 11:00am, when Scott Speed spun off the track, and at 12:10pm, when Kamui Kobayashi stopped his Toyota on circuit with a transmission failure.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:18.684 78
2. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:19.685 63
3. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:19.784 111
4. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:19.962 105
5. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:20.024 70
6. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:20.046 60
7. Klien Honda (B) 1:20.055 99
8. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.141 64
9. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.167 97
10. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.204 78
11. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.461 88
12. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:20.556 107
13. Webber Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:20.596 89
14. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.701 112
15. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (B) 1:21.134 59
16. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:21.276 78
17. Kobayashi Toyota (B) 1:21.292 53
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
| MattDell | 12-07-2006 01:30 PM |
Everytime I see the name Kobayashi, I think of this SNL skit: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzTPJHJjAWM[/url]
:lol:
-Matt
:lol:
-Matt
| grippgoat | 12-07-2006 01:56 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell;16242313]Everytime I see the name Kobayashi, I think of this SNL skit: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzTPJHJjAWM[/url]
:lol:
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Haha, nice. When I see Kobayashi, though, I always think of Kaiser Soze's lawyer in The Usual Suspects. But he doesn't eat hot dogs.
-Mike
:lol:
-Matt[/QUOTE]
Haha, nice. When I see Kobayashi, though, I always think of Kaiser Soze's lawyer in The Usual Suspects. But he doesn't eat hot dogs.
-Mike
| NYEJ25 | 12-07-2006 02:04 PM |
I think of hot dogs!
| StuBeck | 12-07-2006 02:35 PM |
Haha, I haven't seen that before.
| KAX | 12-07-2006 03:09 PM |
how well do you guys think Hamilton is going to do this year? What would you guys say his championship position will be at the end of the year?
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 12-07-2006 03:11 PM |
It depends on his car.
I think he'll prove he has alot of speed this year.
Thats not all that matters in F1, it does matter alot, but it wont carry a driver the whole way.
I think he'll prove he has alot of speed this year.
Thats not all that matters in F1, it does matter alot, but it wont carry a driver the whole way.
| StuBeck | 12-07-2006 03:45 PM |
I think he'll do well, but not beat Alonso on a regular basis. Its probably going to take some getting used to with all the electronics and having to trust the car. He'll also probably get into some bad accidents like Speed and Rosberg did because people don't give up on positions like they do in GP2.
I'm going to say he's going to be 6th in points next year.
I'm going to say he's going to be 6th in points next year.
| MattDell | 12-07-2006 05:19 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16243886]how well do you guys think Hamilton is going to do this year? What would you guys say his championship position will be at the end of the year?[/QUOTE]
I would put him in the top 5.
-Matt
I would put him in the top 5.
-Matt
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 12-07-2006 05:23 PM |
I'd guess 6th or 7th.
I doubt he'll finish more races than Alonso.
I doubt he'll finish more races than Alonso.
| MattDell | 12-07-2006 05:44 PM |
No, but he should do better than Kovalainen.
| artkevin | 12-07-2006 07:36 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell;16245994]I would put him in the top 5.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
+1
If McLaren give s him a car that does't blow up he should be in the top 5.
In no particular order:
Kimi
Lewis
Hekki
Massa
Alonso
Fizzy
Oh wait, thats the top 3 teams. I think BMW might sneak in a couple and Honda will too. Still no hope in my mind for Toyota but I've been wrong plenty of times before. See Honda in Hungary 2006.
-Matt[/QUOTE]
+1
If McLaren give s him a car that does't blow up he should be in the top 5.
In no particular order:
Kimi
Lewis
Hekki
Massa
Alonso
Fizzy
Oh wait, thats the top 3 teams. I think BMW might sneak in a couple and Honda will too. Still no hope in my mind for Toyota but I've been wrong plenty of times before. See Honda in Hungary 2006.
| KAX | 12-07-2006 10:21 PM |
not sure if Heikki will make top 5, but in the renault hes definitely got a good shot as long as he can deliver. Not sure Fizzy will make it either, im betting Heikki beats him out.
My top 5 (in order):
Kimi
Massa
Alonso
Lewis
Button <- broke the seal, now the wins will come out.
My top 5 (in order):
Kimi
Massa
Alonso
Lewis
Button <- broke the seal, now the wins will come out.
| westcle | 12-07-2006 10:56 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16239291]On a completely different idea, does anyone know where to get F1 wallpapers which are 1920x1200? I'm using one of the Honda F1 12x10 resolutions I got earlier in the week, but it looks pretty hideious all stretched out and stuff, and no, I'm not "not" stretching it ;)[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/5bc27f/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/5bc27f/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/[/URL]
Found these online but not sure of the source. Looks like a 2006 season recap. There are some awesome shots and they are 3504x2336.:eek:
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/5bc27f/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/5bc27f/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/[/URL]
Found these online but not sure of the source. Looks like a 2006 season recap. There are some awesome shots and they are 3504x2336.:eek:
| Patrick Olsen | 12-08-2006 12:33 AM |
This may have been posted somewhere else already, but I didn't see it here. Hyundai is hoping to be in F1 in 2010.
[url]http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/23/hyundai-to-enter-f1-in-2010/[/url]
Someone educate me. What are the field size limitations? The field has basically been 22 for the 4 or 5 years I've been watching, but I don't know if that's as big as they'll let the field go, or if there have only been 11 teams with the $$$ to compete. So if Hyundai joins F1 in 2010 do they have to buy another team's spots on the grid, or can there be 12 teams? (Or even more than 12, since Prodrive is also looking to enter F1, aren't they?)
Pat
[url]http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/23/hyundai-to-enter-f1-in-2010/[/url]
Someone educate me. What are the field size limitations? The field has basically been 22 for the 4 or 5 years I've been watching, but I don't know if that's as big as they'll let the field go, or if there have only been 11 teams with the $$$ to compete. So if Hyundai joins F1 in 2010 do they have to buy another team's spots on the grid, or can there be 12 teams? (Or even more than 12, since Prodrive is also looking to enter F1, aren't they?)
Pat
| Counterfit | 12-08-2006 12:46 AM |
Prodrive already has the slot for the 12th team for 2008. The grid is limited to 24 cars. I'm not sure if they would go to allowing more teams at the GPs like they did up through 94 (did they keep that for 95 and 96?).
| MattDell | 12-08-2006 12:52 AM |
There were 14 constructors in 1994.
There were 13 constructors in 1995.
There were 11 constructors in 1996.
-Matt
There were 13 constructors in 1995.
There were 11 constructors in 1996.
-Matt
| KAX | 12-08-2006 12:56 AM |
main reason its going to stay the way it is is becuase there arent enough pit stalls at the tracks to house more then 12 teams. I dont remember how much one team gets, but I know with the amount of room a single team takes up now, 12 is the most.
my bet is Hyundai will be looking to buy a team. Most likely whoever is in control of Spykers spot at that time.
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16239291]On a completely different idea, does anyone know where to get F1 wallpapers which are 1920x1200? I'm using one of the Honda F1 12x10 resolutions I got earlier in the week, but it looks pretty hideious all stretched out and stuff, and no, I'm not "not" stretching it ;)[/QUOTE]
not 1920x1200, but 1680x1050 which is the same aspect ratio as yours
[url=http://driventoperform.intel.com/eng/media/downloads/default.aspx?imageId=image06]BMW Sauber[/url]
all the other sites require press login for their high-res photos
[url=http://caridc.net/wallpapers/Subaru/2007-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STI-RB320/1920/RB320-001.jpg]Not F1, but a 1920x1280 Suby :)[/url]
my bet is Hyundai will be looking to buy a team. Most likely whoever is in control of Spykers spot at that time.
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16239291]On a completely different idea, does anyone know where to get F1 wallpapers which are 1920x1200? I'm using one of the Honda F1 12x10 resolutions I got earlier in the week, but it looks pretty hideious all stretched out and stuff, and no, I'm not "not" stretching it ;)[/QUOTE]
not 1920x1200, but 1680x1050 which is the same aspect ratio as yours
[url=http://driventoperform.intel.com/eng/media/downloads/default.aspx?imageId=image06]BMW Sauber[/url]
all the other sites require press login for their high-res photos
[url=http://caridc.net/wallpapers/Subaru/2007-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STI-RB320/1920/RB320-001.jpg]Not F1, but a 1920x1280 Suby :)[/url]
| StuBeck | 12-08-2006 08:45 AM |
I think they can pretty easily add a 13th team. The top 4 teams get an extra bay, so just take away that bay from teams 2-4, and you can have another team.
| Ferg | 12-08-2006 10:32 AM |
Renault launch date, January 24th.
| NYEJ25 | 12-08-2006 11:08 AM |
I'm getting so excited for all of the launches, I can't wait to see what the 07 cars will look like.
Which site has the best coverage of all the launches?
Which site has the best coverage of all the launches?
| Ferg | 12-08-2006 11:11 AM |
Autosport.com
It's the best source for news and information by far.
It's the best source for news and information by far.
| Ferg | 12-08-2006 11:38 AM |
Honda fits the "special" fuel cell....Jerez, Day Three
[QUOTE]Barrichello leads Honda 1-2 at Jerez
By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 8th 2006, 16:29 GMT
Rubens Barrichello led a Honda Racing 1-2 on the final, rain-hit day of testing this week at Jerez in Spain.
The Brazilian just edged out his teammate James Rossiter by one tenth of a second as the pair continued to focus on set-up work and evaluation of the new 2007 Bridgestone rubber.
A major downpour in the morning meant that meaningful laps could not be done until just before lunchtime, although Rossiter still managed to complete 108 laps over the course of the day.
Lewis Hamilton, who had been quickest overall on Thursday, was third fastest - just two-tenths behind Rossiter - but his day was marred when he brought out the red flag in the final hour, when his car stopped on track.
Ralf Schumacher continued to focus on adapting the Toyota TF106B chassis to the Bridgestone tyres, having felt that more work was needed at Jerez than had been required at Barcelona last week.
Behind Pedro de la Rosa, Heikki Kovalainen was sixth fastest for Renault despite suffering an engine failure at 1:00pm. The Finn was less than two hundredths of a second faster than teammate Giancarlo Fisichella.
Nick Heidfeld was eighth overall, as his team continued to work on finding a good set-up for the Bridgestone tyres.
Anthony Davidson was ninth quickest, ahead of Timo Glock in the BMW-Sauber and Kamui Kobayashi in the Toyota.
It was a bad day for Ferrari, who saw both Felipe Massa and Luca Badoer stop on the track. The pair ended the day well down the order.
The other red flag of the day was caused when Kazuki Nakajima in the Williams suffered an engine failure at 3:20pm.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:20.008 65
2. Rossiter Honda (B) 1:20.171 108
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.325 79
4. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:20.339 61
5. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.342 84
6. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.372 70
7. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:20.390 88
8. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.436 110
9. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.542 87
10. Glock BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.785 105
11. Kobayashi Toyota (B) 1:20.978 70
12. Webber Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:20.985 79
13. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:21.143 46
14. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:21.325 63
15. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:21.327 43
16. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (B) 1:21.327 51
17. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:23.600 16
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Barrichello leads Honda 1-2 at Jerez
By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 8th 2006, 16:29 GMT
Rubens Barrichello led a Honda Racing 1-2 on the final, rain-hit day of testing this week at Jerez in Spain.
The Brazilian just edged out his teammate James Rossiter by one tenth of a second as the pair continued to focus on set-up work and evaluation of the new 2007 Bridgestone rubber.
A major downpour in the morning meant that meaningful laps could not be done until just before lunchtime, although Rossiter still managed to complete 108 laps over the course of the day.
Lewis Hamilton, who had been quickest overall on Thursday, was third fastest - just two-tenths behind Rossiter - but his day was marred when he brought out the red flag in the final hour, when his car stopped on track.
Ralf Schumacher continued to focus on adapting the Toyota TF106B chassis to the Bridgestone tyres, having felt that more work was needed at Jerez than had been required at Barcelona last week.
Behind Pedro de la Rosa, Heikki Kovalainen was sixth fastest for Renault despite suffering an engine failure at 1:00pm. The Finn was less than two hundredths of a second faster than teammate Giancarlo Fisichella.
Nick Heidfeld was eighth overall, as his team continued to work on finding a good set-up for the Bridgestone tyres.
Anthony Davidson was ninth quickest, ahead of Timo Glock in the BMW-Sauber and Kamui Kobayashi in the Toyota.
It was a bad day for Ferrari, who saw both Felipe Massa and Luca Badoer stop on the track. The pair ended the day well down the order.
The other red flag of the day was caused when Kazuki Nakajima in the Williams suffered an engine failure at 3:20pm.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:20.008 65
2. Rossiter Honda (B) 1:20.171 108
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.325 79
4. R.Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:20.339 61
5. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:20.342 84
6. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.372 70
7. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:20.390 88
8. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.436 110
9. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.542 87
10. Glock BMW-Sauber (B) 1:20.785 105
11. Kobayashi Toyota (B) 1:20.978 70
12. Webber Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:20.985 79
13. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:21.143 46
14. Coulthard Red Bull-Ferrari (B) 1:21.325 63
15. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:21.327 43
16. Speed Toro Rosso-Cosworth (B) 1:21.327 51
17. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:23.600 16
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
| Subaru_555 | 12-08-2006 12:55 PM |
[URL="http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story/?ID=187615&hubname=auto_racing"]http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story/?ID=187615&hubname=auto_racing[/URL]
Sad news, very sad. Wooohoo F1 Hybrid!
Sad news, very sad. Wooohoo F1 Hybrid!
| Ferg | 12-08-2006 01:02 PM |
Here's the big break down.
[QUOTE]FIA agrees to overhaul of F1 rules
By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 8th 2006, 13:52 GMT
The FIA has rubber stamped long-term plans for Formula One that will lead to the sport becoming more environmentally sound and more relevant to the road car industry.
Following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Monaco today, it was agreed that the plans provisionally agreed between FIA president Max Mosley and the Grand Prix Manufacturers' Association (GPMDA) would be followed through.
It was agreed that any future changes to the regulations would only be allowed to happen if it could be proved they were beneficial for the sport.
"Following the agreement between GPMA and FIA, the technical regulations governing Formula One will undergo significant change over the next five years and beyond," said a statement issued by the FIA.
"The objectives will be to promote research relevant to the motor industry (and society in general), to eliminate developments which do not meet these criteria, to reduce costs while improving cost effectiveness and to keep, and augment, the image and excitement of Formula One as the world's leading motor sport category."
The FIA published a rough agenda of regulations changes for the next five years, although some will still need ratification by the GPMA and car industry experts.
Next season's planned regulations will be unchanged, but in 2008 there will be a push to reduce a car's aerodynamics.
This could include the banning of aerodynamic devices, such as bargeboards and winglets, between the front wheel centreline and the rear wheel centreline. This could go hand in hand with a restriction on the use of wind tunnels and test rigs, depending on whether agreement can be reached among teams.
In 2009, it is hoped that downforce can be reduced by 50 percent and that aerodynamic designs can be honed to help improve overtaking. On the engine front it is hoped that energy recovery devices can be introduced - with their use increasing the following season.
The FIA wants to look at partially standardised aerodynamics for 2010, which will probably be the last season for the current format of 2.4-litre engines.
For 2011, the FIA hopes that a new four-race engine will include high-efficiency turbocharging, fuel flow limits, direct injection and the use of bio fuels. The FIA is also considering completely freeing up driver aids.
By 2012, the FIA hopes that the technology advances made by the manufacturers will not only benefit the road car industry but also the sport's smaller teams.
"Everything will be on the principle that new technologies, or rather the relevant devices, shall be freely available for sale to any team which wants them at an easily affordable price," said the FIA statement.
The World Motor Sport Council's decision on the Formula One World Championship:
Following the agreement between GPMA and FIA, the technical regulations governing Formula One will undergo significant change over the next five years and beyond. The objectives will be to promote research relevant to the motor industry (and society in general), to eliminate developments which do not meet these criteria, to reduce costs while improving cost effectiveness and to keep, and augment, the image and excitement of Formula One as the world's leading motor sport category.
The following is an agenda for the next five years. A number of these points, particularly from 2010 onwards, will require careful examination with GPMA and detailed input from car industry experts.
2007
- regulations are already published
- (existing 2.4 litre engine remains "frozen");
2008
- regulations as published but possible elimination of aerodynamic appendices (barge boards, winglets, chimneys, etc) forward of rear wheel centreline and behind front wheel centreline (subject to unanimous agreement of competing teams);
- possible sporting regulations to restrict the use of wind tunnels and/or models for use in wind tunnels and/or test rigs (subject to the consent of a majority of competing teams);
- (existing 2.4 litre engine remains frozen)
2009
- energy recovery and re-use from braking
- reduction of 50% of downforce
[B]- aerodynamic and other changes to facilitate overtaking <-CDG wing?[/B]
- existing 2.4 litre engine remains frozen or, possibly, a four-race drive train (engine and transmission)
2010
- a proportion of waste heat recovered and used to propel the car
- a proportion of waste energy from exhaust gases recovered and used to propel the car
- wholly or partially standardised aerodynamics (or, possibly, new rules to encourage road-relevant research into aerodynamics)
- (existing 2.4 litre engine remains frozen, or, if applicable, four-race drive train remains frozen)
2011
- perhaps a new four-race engine including
- high-efficiency turbocharging
- fuel (energy) flow limits
- direct injection
- downsizing so as to ensure very high (15000+) rpm
- bio fuels (possible freedom to use any bio fuel, with a limited maximum energy flow rate rather than a maximum fuel flow rate)
- perhaps a new approach to the chassis with
- further reductions in downforce
[B] - greater emphasis on cornering performance and handling by means of chassis, suspension, and brake management[/B]
- complete freedom to use electronics to make the car more energy-efficient (drive train, etc, management)
[B]- possibly also free up driver-aid electronics[/B]
- materials - limitations on materials to bring them more into line with those used in road cars
- other road-relevant technologies
2012
- new engine as above
- It is proposed that the foregoing should be a basis for discussion. There may be other interesting and important technologies as well as areas of research which are not mentioned.
Everything will be on the principle that new technologies, or rather the relevant devices, shall be freely available for sale to any team which wants them at an easily affordable price.
The FIA Senate has been mandated to finalise its regulation changes to the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship, following a meeting on 19 December 2006. These will be voted on before 31 December 2006, in order for them to be incorporated into that championship.[/QUOTE]
Stability control will be death for Formula One. :(
You take away the skill of getting a grand prix car into the corner and you take away the only challenge left.
[QUOTE]FIA agrees to overhaul of F1 rules
By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 8th 2006, 13:52 GMT
The FIA has rubber stamped long-term plans for Formula One that will lead to the sport becoming more environmentally sound and more relevant to the road car industry.
Following a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Monaco today, it was agreed that the plans provisionally agreed between FIA president Max Mosley and the Grand Prix Manufacturers' Association (GPMDA) would be followed through.
It was agreed that any future changes to the regulations would only be allowed to happen if it could be proved they were beneficial for the sport.
"Following the agreement between GPMA and FIA, the technical regulations governing Formula One will undergo significant change over the next five years and beyond," said a statement issued by the FIA.
"The objectives will be to promote research relevant to the motor industry (and society in general), to eliminate developments which do not meet these criteria, to reduce costs while improving cost effectiveness and to keep, and augment, the image and excitement of Formula One as the world's leading motor sport category."
The FIA published a rough agenda of regulations changes for the next five years, although some will still need ratification by the GPMA and car industry experts.
Next season's planned regulations will be unchanged, but in 2008 there will be a push to reduce a car's aerodynamics.
This could include the banning of aerodynamic devices, such as bargeboards and winglets, between the front wheel centreline and the rear wheel centreline. This could go hand in hand with a restriction on the use of wind tunnels and test rigs, depending on whether agreement can be reached among teams.
In 2009, it is hoped that downforce can be reduced by 50 percent and that aerodynamic designs can be honed to help improve overtaking. On the engine front it is hoped that energy recovery devices can be introduced - with their use increasing the following season.
The FIA wants to look at partially standardised aerodynamics for 2010, which will probably be the last season for the current format of 2.4-litre engines.
For 2011, the FIA hopes that a new four-race engine will include high-efficiency turbocharging, fuel flow limits, direct injection and the use of bio fuels. The FIA is also considering completely freeing up driver aids.
By 2012, the FIA hopes that the technology advances made by the manufacturers will not only benefit the road car industry but also the sport's smaller teams.
"Everything will be on the principle that new technologies, or rather the relevant devices, shall be freely available for sale to any team which wants them at an easily affordable price," said the FIA statement.
The World Motor Sport Council's decision on the Formula One World Championship:
Following the agreement between GPMA and FIA, the technical regulations governing Formula One will undergo significant change over the next five years and beyond. The objectives will be to promote research relevant to the motor industry (and society in general), to eliminate developments which do not meet these criteria, to reduce costs while improving cost effectiveness and to keep, and augment, the image and excitement of Formula One as the world's leading motor sport category.
The following is an agenda for the next five years. A number of these points, particularly from 2010 onwards, will require careful examination with GPMA and detailed input from car industry experts.
2007
- regulations are already published
- (existing 2.4 litre engine remains "frozen");
2008
- regulations as published but possible elimination of aerodynamic appendices (barge boards, winglets, chimneys, etc) forward of rear wheel centreline and behind front wheel centreline (subject to unanimous agreement of competing teams);
- possible sporting regulations to restrict the use of wind tunnels and/or models for use in wind tunnels and/or test rigs (subject to the consent of a majority of competing teams);
- (existing 2.4 litre engine remains frozen)
2009
- energy recovery and re-use from braking
- reduction of 50% of downforce
[B]- aerodynamic and other changes to facilitate overtaking <-CDG wing?[/B]
- existing 2.4 litre engine remains frozen or, possibly, a four-race drive train (engine and transmission)
2010
- a proportion of waste heat recovered and used to propel the car
- a proportion of waste energy from exhaust gases recovered and used to propel the car
- wholly or partially standardised aerodynamics (or, possibly, new rules to encourage road-relevant research into aerodynamics)
- (existing 2.4 litre engine remains frozen, or, if applicable, four-race drive train remains frozen)
2011
- perhaps a new four-race engine including
- high-efficiency turbocharging
- fuel (energy) flow limits
- direct injection
- downsizing so as to ensure very high (15000+) rpm
- bio fuels (possible freedom to use any bio fuel, with a limited maximum energy flow rate rather than a maximum fuel flow rate)
- perhaps a new approach to the chassis with
- further reductions in downforce
[B] - greater emphasis on cornering performance and handling by means of chassis, suspension, and brake management[/B]
- complete freedom to use electronics to make the car more energy-efficient (drive train, etc, management)
[B]- possibly also free up driver-aid electronics[/B]
- materials - limitations on materials to bring them more into line with those used in road cars
- other road-relevant technologies
2012
- new engine as above
- It is proposed that the foregoing should be a basis for discussion. There may be other interesting and important technologies as well as areas of research which are not mentioned.
Everything will be on the principle that new technologies, or rather the relevant devices, shall be freely available for sale to any team which wants them at an easily affordable price.
The FIA Senate has been mandated to finalise its regulation changes to the 2009 FIA Formula One World Championship, following a meeting on 19 December 2006. These will be voted on before 31 December 2006, in order for them to be incorporated into that championship.[/QUOTE]
Stability control will be death for Formula One. :(
You take away the skill of getting a grand prix car into the corner and you take away the only challenge left.
| John__Gotti | 12-08-2006 01:54 PM |
Why doesn't the FIA just ask a bunch of random heroes what they think should happen in F1 and then just draw them out of a hat. This is starting to get ridiculous, all they ever talk about is cutting costs and now contirbuting to road going cars and the environment. I'm I the only one that thinks an F1 car is the furthest thing from a road car you can get. Why not stop messing with the rules everyday you wake up and let the cars RACE, cause that is what they were built to do. Sorry for the rant but all these rules changes do nothing but piss the fan base off (well they piss me off) and actually cost the teams more money not less. Seriously stop #ucking with one of the few racing series left that I like.
| Scooby-Doode | 12-08-2006 01:54 PM |
Can you imagine all the drivers punching the ESP button. lol.. I can see Kimi bashing his head in the cockpit already.
| StuBeck | 12-08-2006 02:17 PM |
The FIA does ask people what they think, they also need to get the F1 teams to agree to these rules, so its not all the FIA "screwing everything up."
I like a lot of the rules, I hope they will take away the driver aids though, its not needed and one of hte things I like so much about Champ Car, A1GP and GP2 is the drivers getting all crossed up.
A lot of the rule changes do save the teams money, if they had been willing to come up with the solution STR ran this year for V10's they would have saved money, but even the 1 race/2 race engines mean the engine builders save millions each race.
Remember the FIA had similar statements a few years ago for this year, and not much changed.
I like a lot of the rules, I hope they will take away the driver aids though, its not needed and one of hte things I like so much about Champ Car, A1GP and GP2 is the drivers getting all crossed up.
A lot of the rule changes do save the teams money, if they had been willing to come up with the solution STR ran this year for V10's they would have saved money, but even the 1 race/2 race engines mean the engine builders save millions each race.
Remember the FIA had similar statements a few years ago for this year, and not much changed.
| Ferg | 12-08-2006 02:22 PM |
More on the Super Aguri Toro Rosso row...
[QUOTE]Aguri, Toro Rosso face arbitration threat
By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 8th 2006, 18:36 GMT
Super Aguri and Scuderia Toro Rosso have been warned that they risk arbitration by rival teams if they insist on running customer cars next season, autosport.com can reveal.
A meeting of the F1 team principals in Monaco this afternoon was dominated by a discussion over Super Aguri and Toro Rosso's plans to effectively run customer cars next season - even though both teams claim they are operating within the regulations.
Super Aguri look set to run a development version of this year's Honda RA106, while Toro Rosso are set to race the basic Red Bull Racing RB3 front-end, with the rear of their car modified to fit the Ferrari engine.
Those moves have angered their rivals, who insist customer cars are banned until 2008, and Spyker F1 boss Colin Kolles wrote a letter to team principals last week urging discussions to take place in today's scheduled meeting.
Although it was not clear beforehand just how much support Kolles would get, sources indicate that a number of teams are unhappy about the two outfits' plans for 2007 and backed Spyker F1's stance.
Sources claim that although few outfits are too worried about the Super Aguri situation, even front-running team bosses have expressed some concern about Toro Rosso - because they could effectively be racing with an Adrian Newey-designed car next season.
Talks about the situation went on for almost three hours, with sources claiming that the discussions were 'robust' in making it clear to both teams that rival outfits would not accept what they planned to do.
Although there was no final solution put on the table to resolve the situation, autosport.com understands that teams agreed to allow the two teams some additional time to review their plans.
"There were some compromise solutions put forward for the teams to think about," said one source. "There are certain circumstances that, if they agree to, they would be allowed to continue with their plans."
Although it is not clear what those circumstances are, it is believed these could relate to Super Aguri and Toro Rosso agreeing to waive any constructors' championship points next year, along with benefits such as television income and travel money from Formula One Management.
Teams like Spyker and Williams could lose several constructors' championship positions, and many millions of FOM payments, if both Super Aguri and Toro Rosso leapfrog them as a result of running customer cars.
It is unknown when Super Aguri and Toro Rosso have to respond to the other teams, but it is understood that their rivals will not accept nothing being done.
And, with Williams have already considered legal action, another source has suggested that this avenue will be followed if an agreeable solution is not found.
"We will either have a compromise or it will go to arbitration," said the source.
Super Aguri and Toro Rosso were unavailable for comment, but Super Aguri's managing director Daniel Audetto told Autosport magazine this week that he believes his team are operating within the regulations.
Teams have to own the intellectual property rights to the chassis they run and make sure that the car does not incorporate any parts that are manufactured by another team.
The intellectual property rights of Super Aguri's car is owned by Honda Japan, which has supported the team, and the car has been manufactured and produced by Honda's R&D facility in Tochigi, Japan.
Some of the project is also being handled by an independent consultancy agency led by former Jordan and Sauber man Paul White.
Audetto said: "It's not a modification (of the RA106), and I repeat what I say. We'll make the best performing car within the existing regulations. That is our aim.
"We know the rules, we studied the rules, and we have a lot of support from Honda. So therefore we have to take the most advantage we are allowed to take."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Aguri, Toro Rosso face arbitration threat
By Jonathan Noble Friday, December 8th 2006, 18:36 GMT
Super Aguri and Scuderia Toro Rosso have been warned that they risk arbitration by rival teams if they insist on running customer cars next season, autosport.com can reveal.
A meeting of the F1 team principals in Monaco this afternoon was dominated by a discussion over Super Aguri and Toro Rosso's plans to effectively run customer cars next season - even though both teams claim they are operating within the regulations.
Super Aguri look set to run a development version of this year's Honda RA106, while Toro Rosso are set to race the basic Red Bull Racing RB3 front-end, with the rear of their car modified to fit the Ferrari engine.
Those moves have angered their rivals, who insist customer cars are banned until 2008, and Spyker F1 boss Colin Kolles wrote a letter to team principals last week urging discussions to take place in today's scheduled meeting.
Although it was not clear beforehand just how much support Kolles would get, sources indicate that a number of teams are unhappy about the two outfits' plans for 2007 and backed Spyker F1's stance.
Sources claim that although few outfits are too worried about the Super Aguri situation, even front-running team bosses have expressed some concern about Toro Rosso - because they could effectively be racing with an Adrian Newey-designed car next season.
Talks about the situation went on for almost three hours, with sources claiming that the discussions were 'robust' in making it clear to both teams that rival outfits would not accept what they planned to do.
Although there was no final solution put on the table to resolve the situation, autosport.com understands that teams agreed to allow the two teams some additional time to review their plans.
"There were some compromise solutions put forward for the teams to think about," said one source. "There are certain circumstances that, if they agree to, they would be allowed to continue with their plans."
Although it is not clear what those circumstances are, it is believed these could relate to Super Aguri and Toro Rosso agreeing to waive any constructors' championship points next year, along with benefits such as television income and travel money from Formula One Management.
Teams like Spyker and Williams could lose several constructors' championship positions, and many millions of FOM payments, if both Super Aguri and Toro Rosso leapfrog them as a result of running customer cars.
It is unknown when Super Aguri and Toro Rosso have to respond to the other teams, but it is understood that their rivals will not accept nothing being done.
And, with Williams have already considered legal action, another source has suggested that this avenue will be followed if an agreeable solution is not found.
"We will either have a compromise or it will go to arbitration," said the source.
Super Aguri and Toro Rosso were unavailable for comment, but Super Aguri's managing director Daniel Audetto told Autosport magazine this week that he believes his team are operating within the regulations.
Teams have to own the intellectual property rights to the chassis they run and make sure that the car does not incorporate any parts that are manufactured by another team.
The intellectual property rights of Super Aguri's car is owned by Honda Japan, which has supported the team, and the car has been manufactured and produced by Honda's R&D facility in Tochigi, Japan.
Some of the project is also being handled by an independent consultancy agency led by former Jordan and Sauber man Paul White.
Audetto said: "It's not a modification (of the RA106), and I repeat what I say. We'll make the best performing car within the existing regulations. That is our aim.
"We know the rules, we studied the rules, and we have a lot of support from Honda. So therefore we have to take the most advantage we are allowed to take."[/QUOTE]
| meebs | 12-08-2006 03:43 PM |
Stability control means I won't watch anymore. That suggestion certainly didn't come from the fans. I like technical wizardry to a point, and this is the appeal and has been the appeal to me for the past 13 seasons that I have been watching.
I don't want them to reflect anything in regards to normal road machines. These aren't normal cars. We've all known that for a long time. I watch F1 because it [b]IS[/b] F1. We already have another series that satisfies my need for watching approximate representations of road cars in a race series, it's called the WRC. :rolleyes:
I'm cool with minor modifications to the rules and the controversy they cause, again, that's part of F1. The changes listed above will eliminate many of the nuances out of the series that I enjoy.
I don't want them to reflect anything in regards to normal road machines. These aren't normal cars. We've all known that for a long time. I watch F1 because it [b]IS[/b] F1. We already have another series that satisfies my need for watching approximate representations of road cars in a race series, it's called the WRC. :rolleyes:
I'm cool with minor modifications to the rules and the controversy they cause, again, that's part of F1. The changes listed above will eliminate many of the nuances out of the series that I enjoy.
| Ferg | 12-08-2006 03:48 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs;16258543]Stability control means I won't watch anymore. [/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more. As soon as they allow this into the sport the difference between good drivers and great drivers will vanish...even more than it already has.
I couldn't agree more. As soon as they allow this into the sport the difference between good drivers and great drivers will vanish...even more than it already has.
| MattDell | 12-08-2006 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE=westcle;16249953][URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/5bc27f/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/5bc27f/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/[/URL]
Found these online but not sure of the source. Looks like a 2006 season recap. There are some awesome shots and they are 3504x2336.:eek:[/QUOTE]
These are awesome. :)
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/07c2af/[/URL]
[URL="http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/"]http://www.filefactory.com/file/567761/[/URL]
Found these online but not sure of the source. Looks like a 2006 season recap. There are some awesome shots and they are 3504x2336.:eek:[/QUOTE]
These are awesome. :)
| StuBeck | 12-08-2006 05:38 PM |
I'll still watch it, but I doubt stabilty control will become part of it, aren't they taking out a lot of the driver aids for 08 anyways?
| KAX | 12-09-2006 12:46 AM |
The next american in F1
[QUOTE]Marco Andretti to test for Honda next week
Friday, December 8th 2006, 23:05 GMT
Rising star Marco Andretti will get a first taste of Formula One next week at Jerez after being invited to test by the Honda Racing F1 Team.
The 19-year-old American has been given the chance by the Brackley-based outfit in recognition of his achievements in the Honda-powered IndyCar Series, where he was honoured with the 2006 Rookie of the Year award.
Andretti, son of twice IndyCar Series championship-winning team owner and former CART champion Michael and grandson of 1978 F1 World Champion and racing legend Mario, will test this year's RA106 car on Friday 15 December, the last day of F1 testing in 2006.
"I am thrilled that Honda has offered me this incredible opportunity," said Andretti. "2006 was a fantastic inaugural year for me in the IRL and I look forward to fighting for the championship next season.
"However, as you would expect of any racing driver, when Honda offered me the chance to drive, I grabbed it with both hands - no hesitation!
"I can only imagine what an awesome experience this is going to be and I'm just going to take my time and enjoy every moment," he added.
Gil de Ferran, Sporting Director at the Honda Racing F1 Team, commented: "We are delighted to have Marco join us in Jerez next week for his first run in a Formula One car. Marco has had an outstanding first season in the IndyCar Series, making a big impact at such a young age.
"As part of the extended Honda Racing family, it will be a great pleasure for us to give him the chance of his first experience of Formula One." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Marco Andretti to test for Honda next week
Friday, December 8th 2006, 23:05 GMT
Rising star Marco Andretti will get a first taste of Formula One next week at Jerez after being invited to test by the Honda Racing F1 Team.
The 19-year-old American has been given the chance by the Brackley-based outfit in recognition of his achievements in the Honda-powered IndyCar Series, where he was honoured with the 2006 Rookie of the Year award.
Andretti, son of twice IndyCar Series championship-winning team owner and former CART champion Michael and grandson of 1978 F1 World Champion and racing legend Mario, will test this year's RA106 car on Friday 15 December, the last day of F1 testing in 2006.
"I am thrilled that Honda has offered me this incredible opportunity," said Andretti. "2006 was a fantastic inaugural year for me in the IRL and I look forward to fighting for the championship next season.
"However, as you would expect of any racing driver, when Honda offered me the chance to drive, I grabbed it with both hands - no hesitation!
"I can only imagine what an awesome experience this is going to be and I'm just going to take my time and enjoy every moment," he added.
Gil de Ferran, Sporting Director at the Honda Racing F1 Team, commented: "We are delighted to have Marco join us in Jerez next week for his first run in a Formula One car. Marco has had an outstanding first season in the IndyCar Series, making a big impact at such a young age.
"As part of the extended Honda Racing family, it will be a great pleasure for us to give him the chance of his first experience of Formula One." [/QUOTE]
| MattDell | 12-09-2006 01:24 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16263820]The next american in F1[/QUOTE]
Wonderful! Think Speed stands a chance if another American gets into F1 and does better than he?
I hope Speed turns up the heat this season and Marco does well, too. Then we'll have two Americans in F1! :devil:
-Matt
Wonderful! Think Speed stands a chance if another American gets into F1 and does better than he?
I hope Speed turns up the heat this season and Marco does well, too. Then we'll have two Americans in F1! :devil:
-Matt
| grandpa rex | 12-09-2006 08:33 AM |
I saw Marco drive in 2005 at Indy in the Indy lights support race to the USGP. He walked away from the field and was smooth as silk.
Another guy who bears possibly more watching is Graham Rahal, Bobby Rahal's kid. He's very quick.
I'll bet Graham ends up in F1 before Marco. Marco's dad is heavily committed to IRL and his own team. Graham seems to be being steered toward F1 by his dad.
Another guy who bears possibly more watching is Graham Rahal, Bobby Rahal's kid. He's very quick.
I'll bet Graham ends up in F1 before Marco. Marco's dad is heavily committed to IRL and his own team. Graham seems to be being steered toward F1 by his dad.
| Ferg | 12-09-2006 09:14 AM |
Graham looks certain to join Champ Car next season, which lately has been a dead end for anyone wanting to go Grand Prix racing in the future. I'd love to see Graham in F1, I saw his first win (I think) in the Star Mazda series at Portland in 2005. Just like Marco he was silky smooth and very very fast.
| StuBeck | 12-09-2006 02:46 PM |
I think Rahal will do a season in champcar then go to GP2. They dropped the idea of GP2 because there wasn't a drive for him anymore, I think he wanted to drive for Piquet motorsposrts and that drive went away.
Marco wants to go to F1 too, it was simply a drive in a "top" series he had this year and next, I can see him going to GP2 soon too since I don't think he likes IRL too much.
Marco wants to go to F1 too, it was simply a drive in a "top" series he had this year and next, I can see him going to GP2 soon too since I don't think he likes IRL too much.
| MattNJ2.8 | 12-10-2006 05:21 PM |
[img]http://wheel2wheel.com/files/teams/images/Car_178.jpg[/img]
[I]Always bet on black.[/I]
Can we get this thread stickied?
[I]Always bet on black.[/I]
Can we get this thread stickied?
| XenoWolf | 12-10-2006 05:32 PM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;16275688][img]http://wheel2wheel.com/files/teams/images/Car_178.jpg[/img]
[I]Always bet on black.[/I][/QUOTE]
I thought McLaren was planning on going orange for 07?
[I]Always bet on black.[/I][/QUOTE]
I thought McLaren was planning on going orange for 07?
| StuBeck | 12-10-2006 08:01 PM |
I think they're going red, for vodafone.
| Slick Nick | 12-10-2006 09:58 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16276829]I think they're going red, for vodafone.[/QUOTE]
Great.... Now every time a McLaren blows up on course (which if last season was any indication, will too often) we'll be left wondering if it was a Ferrari instead.
Having the Spykers being a redish orange is confusing enough.
Why doesn't anyone pick green, yellow, or black?
-Nick
Great.... Now every time a McLaren blows up on course (which if last season was any indication, will too often) we'll be left wondering if it was a Ferrari instead.
Having the Spykers being a redish orange is confusing enough.
Why doesn't anyone pick green, yellow, or black?
-Nick
| MattDell | 12-10-2006 10:01 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf;16275772]I thought McLaren was planning on going orange for 07?[/QUOTE]
For the off-season they normally do.
For the off-season they normally do.
| Ferg | 12-10-2006 11:02 PM |
Do we know if Vodafone is staying with a red scheme?
I don't mind a return to a red and white McLaren. If back in the day I could tell the difference between a red and white Ferrari with Marlboro sponsorship and a red and white McLaren with Marboro sponsorship I think I can manage.
Besides, when in doubt it'll be the Macca spewing flames and engine bits.
I don't mind a return to a red and white McLaren. If back in the day I could tell the difference between a red and white Ferrari with Marlboro sponsorship and a red and white McLaren with Marboro sponsorship I think I can manage.
Besides, when in doubt it'll be the Macca spewing flames and engine bits.
| Ferg | 12-11-2006 12:44 PM |
Bourdais to get Toro Rosso test.
[QUOTE]Bourdais to test for Toro Rosso
By Jonathan Noble Monday, December 11th 2006, 14:21 GMT
Three times Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais will test for Scuderia Toro Rosso at Jerez in Spain this week.
The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race seat at the Italian outfit next year.
Although the team have said several times that they expect both Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season, there has not yet been any confirmation about their futures.
Significantly, Toro Rosso did not lodge either of their drivers' names with their FIA entry to next year's Formula One world championship.
Bourdais is currently contracted to Newman-Haas for next season, but sources have revealed that he has an option in his deal that would allow him to switch to F1 if he was offered a race seat.
A Toro Rosso spokeswoman has denied, however, that the test in a precursor to a race driver for Bourdais in 2007.
"For now there are no discussions about driving next year," the spokeswoman told autosport.com. "It is just a test."
The test comes as a major surprise, especially as the Frenchman said just last month that he thought his F1 hopes were finished after top teams continued to ignore his success in the Unites States.
"I think it's over," Bourdais told sports daily L'Equipe. "It's frustrating but there are loads of talented drivers who never went to F1...one can always say it's unfair but that's F1, and it's never been fair."
He told L'Equipe that several teams had been interested in taking him on as a test driver but with no guarantees of an eventual race seat.
"I was supposed to give up everything I had spent four years building up - for a perhaps," said Bourdais.
In July he said: "I don't think people in the paddock recognize my achievements. I won in F3000, I've won two titles since coming [to the United States], and this year is looking pretty good. I'm not sure what more I have to do. I can't even get a test.
"Do people expect me to go back to Europe and prove myself again in GP2? That would be a massive step back - if only in terms of earnings."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Bourdais to test for Toro Rosso
By Jonathan Noble Monday, December 11th 2006, 14:21 GMT
Three times Champ Car champion Sebastien Bourdais will test for Scuderia Toro Rosso at Jerez in Spain this week.
The Frenchman will get a three-day try out at the Spanish circuit from Wednesday, amid speculation that he could be in contention for a race seat at the Italian outfit next year.
Although the team have said several times that they expect both Vitantonio Liuzzi and Scott Speed to remain on board for another season, there has not yet been any confirmation about their futures.
Significantly, Toro Rosso did not lodge either of their drivers' names with their FIA entry to next year's Formula One world championship.
Bourdais is currently contracted to Newman-Haas for next season, but sources have revealed that he has an option in his deal that would allow him to switch to F1 if he was offered a race seat.
A Toro Rosso spokeswoman has denied, however, that the test in a precursor to a race driver for Bourdais in 2007.
"For now there are no discussions about driving next year," the spokeswoman told autosport.com. "It is just a test."
The test comes as a major surprise, especially as the Frenchman said just last month that he thought his F1 hopes were finished after top teams continued to ignore his success in the Unites States.
"I think it's over," Bourdais told sports daily L'Equipe. "It's frustrating but there are loads of talented drivers who never went to F1...one can always say it's unfair but that's F1, and it's never been fair."
He told L'Equipe that several teams had been interested in taking him on as a test driver but with no guarantees of an eventual race seat.
"I was supposed to give up everything I had spent four years building up - for a perhaps," said Bourdais.
In July he said: "I don't think people in the paddock recognize my achievements. I won in F3000, I've won two titles since coming [to the United States], and this year is looking pretty good. I'm not sure what more I have to do. I can't even get a test.
"Do people expect me to go back to Europe and prove myself again in GP2? That would be a massive step back - if only in terms of earnings."[/QUOTE]
| artkevin | 12-11-2006 01:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16278598]Do we know if Vodafone is staying with a red scheme?
I don't mind a return to a red and white McLaren. If back in the day I could tell the difference between a red and white Ferrari with Marlboro sponsorship and a red and white McLaren with Marboro sponsorship I think I can manage.
Besides, when in doubt it'll be the Macca spewing flames and engine bits.[/QUOTE]
Here is a spy shot that F1 racing.net posted awhile back. It will probably be similar to this but who knows?
[IMG]http://marca.es/primeras/06/11/g1103.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=134670[/url]
I don't mind a return to a red and white McLaren. If back in the day I could tell the difference between a red and white Ferrari with Marlboro sponsorship and a red and white McLaren with Marboro sponsorship I think I can manage.
Besides, when in doubt it'll be the Macca spewing flames and engine bits.[/QUOTE]
Here is a spy shot that F1 racing.net posted awhile back. It will probably be similar to this but who knows?
[IMG]http://marca.es/primeras/06/11/g1103.jpg[/IMG]
[url]http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=134670[/url]
| bitterWRX | 12-11-2006 02:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16283960]Bourdais to get Toro Rosso test.[/QUOTE]
I do feel bad for Bourdais.
But do you think with his skills now, he can be competitive in F1?
I do feel bad for Bourdais.
But do you think with his skills now, he can be competitive in F1?
| Ferg | 12-11-2006 03:04 PM |
I honestly don't know. He's a fine race car drvier, no doubts there, but he's won all his Champ Car titles while there's been a serious lack of real talent in the field. Yeah there's a few guys, but the series has almost no real depth of competition anymore...plus Bourdais has been driving the best car on the grid.
Sadly I don't think he's going to get a chance to show what he's capable of, outside of testing anyways.
Sadly I don't think he's going to get a chance to show what he's capable of, outside of testing anyways.
| StuBeck | 12-11-2006 03:18 PM |
A test is better than nothing though, he seems happy in Champcar, and this might get him a drive next year in F1. I don't think he's going to want to be a test driver though.
| ptclaus98 | 12-11-2006 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16286345]A test is better than nothing though, he seems happy in Champcar, and this might get him a drive next year in F1. I don't think he's going to want to be a test driver though.[/QUOTE]
You're dead-on. Sea-bass is gonna stay in CCWS until someone offers him a race seat in F1
You're dead-on. Sea-bass is gonna stay in CCWS until someone offers him a race seat in F1
| KAX | 12-11-2006 06:23 PM |
which isnt going to happen without a year of testing under his belt. IMO, if hes offered a test, he needs to take it and see what comes from it. I dont think the team owner of whoever he drives for now is going to cast him out if he wants to come back, so theres no way to lose.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 12-11-2006 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16286345]he seems happy in Champcar[/QUOTE]
You think so eh?
It seems to be a please the sponsors taking the pictures smile to me.
I think he feels he needs a challenge.
You think so eh?
It seems to be a please the sponsors taking the pictures smile to me.
I think he feels he needs a challenge.
| ptclaus98 | 12-11-2006 06:45 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16288938]which isnt going to happen without a year of testing under his belt. IMO, if hes offered a test, he needs to take it and see what comes from it. I dont think the team owner of whoever he drives for now is going to cast him out if he wants to come back, so theres no way to lose.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I'm not a big fan of his as a person.
Which is why I'm not a big fan of his as a person.
| artkevin | 12-11-2006 06:48 PM |
I can see the Sea Bass thing going any way.
He's a great driver in the best car like Ferg said but he is made very very few mistakes over the past couple of years. He has also showed that he can go balls out or play it safe with the best of them. I think he is a world class driver and at least deserves a shot at F1. He has had several and has been snubbed several times too. He was supposed to race for the Orange Arrows squad right before they went belly up.
I wonder is McDonald's is attached to Bourdais or Newmann Hass? That can be a huge differnce maker in the money game.
I like both of the STR drivers and would like to see them both stay but Sebastian is one of my fav drivers so I won't be too upset if he gets a race drive.
He's a great driver in the best car like Ferg said but he is made very very few mistakes over the past couple of years. He has also showed that he can go balls out or play it safe with the best of them. I think he is a world class driver and at least deserves a shot at F1. He has had several and has been snubbed several times too. He was supposed to race for the Orange Arrows squad right before they went belly up.
I wonder is McDonald's is attached to Bourdais or Newmann Hass? That can be a huge differnce maker in the money game.
I like both of the STR drivers and would like to see them both stay but Sebastian is one of my fav drivers so I won't be too upset if he gets a race drive.
| StuBeck | 12-11-2006 08:21 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16288938]which isnt going to happen without a year of testing under his belt. IMO, if hes offered a test, he needs to take it and see what comes from it. I dont think the team owner of whoever he drives for now is going to cast him out if he wants to come back, so theres no way to lose.[/QUOTE]
He's run tests in F1 before with Renault, the problem is he doesn't want to be a Davidson or Wurz who have to test drive for 5 years and then finally get a drive, he'd rather drive in a lower series then test for years and possibly only get one year in a car he has no chance in.
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;16289021]You think so eh?
It seems to be a please the sponsors taking the pictures smile to me.
I think he feels he needs a challenge.[/QUOTE]
He still has a challenge with Champ Car, although I could see him doing a Rossi and moving into a lower team at some point so he doesnt' have the best equipment. A lot of the old F1 drivers (also known as F1 rejects ;)) like Champ Car more because the cars are rather similar, but the driver skill is much more important. Unless something bad happens in a race, a Spyker was never going to a win a race this year, but a Team Australia car had a chance because they're the same chassis.
He's run tests in F1 before with Renault, the problem is he doesn't want to be a Davidson or Wurz who have to test drive for 5 years and then finally get a drive, he'd rather drive in a lower series then test for years and possibly only get one year in a car he has no chance in.
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;16289021]You think so eh?
It seems to be a please the sponsors taking the pictures smile to me.
I think he feels he needs a challenge.[/QUOTE]
He still has a challenge with Champ Car, although I could see him doing a Rossi and moving into a lower team at some point so he doesnt' have the best equipment. A lot of the old F1 drivers (also known as F1 rejects ;)) like Champ Car more because the cars are rather similar, but the driver skill is much more important. Unless something bad happens in a race, a Spyker was never going to a win a race this year, but a Team Australia car had a chance because they're the same chassis.
| KAX | 12-12-2006 12:03 AM |
from what it seems though he wouldnt take any for of test. If you could do something like Wurz did when he signed with williams, then Id say take it. Agree to test for a year with the contractual agreement of getting a race drive within 1 or 2 years.
id think that would be his only chance.
id think that would be his only chance.
| StuBeck | 12-12-2006 01:05 AM |
Those are tough to get. He might have a chance at STR though, they're having money problems, and its neither driver is signed on yet for next year. Berger has admitted that either driver could be gone next year if they have someone with the same performance who brings in a lot of money.
| bitterWRX | 12-12-2006 01:12 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16293131] Berger has admitted that either driver could be gone next year if they have someone with the same performance who brings in a lot of money.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if STR would share sponsorship with McD (if they follow Seb). As much as I want to see him race, I still interested to see a second season Speed running on the grid.
I wonder if STR would share sponsorship with McD (if they follow Seb). As much as I want to see him race, I still interested to see a second season Speed running on the grid.
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