| bitterWRX | 02-28-2007 02:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17204554]The coolest billboard I've ever seen.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/74984528/large.jpg[/IMG]
I think I could just about fit that in my front yard. :D[/QUOTE]
Does anyone here know where to find a bigger version of this? I would like this as my wallpaper. :D
I checked the Bahrain Circuit site but had no luck.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/74984528/large.jpg[/IMG]
I think I could just about fit that in my front yard. :D[/QUOTE]
Does anyone here know where to find a bigger version of this? I would like this as my wallpaper. :D
I checked the Bahrain Circuit site but had no luck.
| ptclaus98 | 02-28-2007 02:55 PM |
So I take it nobody cares much about Jean Alesi.
| Ferg | 02-28-2007 02:57 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;17211386]Does anyone here know where to find a bigger version of this? I would like this as my wallpaper. :D [/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.pbase.com/blackieonassis/image/74984528/original]>Disco<[/URL]
:)
[URL=http://www.pbase.com/blackieonassis/image/74984528/original]>Disco<[/URL]
:)
| bitterWRX | 02-28-2007 02:59 PM |
Thanks!
| sirfrankwilliams | 02-28-2007 03:20 PM |
[quote=ptclaus98;17211394]So I take it nobody cares much about Jean Alesi.[/quote]
He's alright I guess. I mean he has a French accent, sometimes it was fun to listen to.
[australia91]"Schumacher and I, we were on the straight. We came together. Its very dangerous out there- too dangerous"[/australia91]
He's alright I guess. I mean he has a French accent, sometimes it was fun to listen to.
[australia91]"Schumacher and I, we were on the straight. We came together. Its very dangerous out there- too dangerous"[/australia91]
| Slick33 | 02-28-2007 03:21 PM |
[QUOTE=meebs;17207075]Looks like I'm the only one who likes the new Honda livery! :o Similar to McLaren I guess, seemed like most people didn't like the mirrormobile.[/QUOTE]
I like the McLaren mirrormobile, but I think it looked a lot better last season without all that red Vodafone livery.
The Honda, however, looks like ass. Sorry. :)
(now if they had left it all black, it might've been the best looking car on the field, right up there with the Spyker)
I like the McLaren mirrormobile, but I think it looked a lot better last season without all that red Vodafone livery.
The Honda, however, looks like ass. Sorry. :)
(now if they had left it all black, it might've been the best looking car on the field, right up there with the Spyker)
| StuBeck | 02-28-2007 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17208665][IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/75002630/original.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I would be amazed if they are sandbaging that much, but I hope I am wrong.
I just realized I have not put any F1 hq's on my england trip. Maybe I'll be able to add them in in the next few days.
Just bought my Indy tickets, same area as last year.
I would be amazed if they are sandbaging that much, but I hope I am wrong.
I just realized I have not put any F1 hq's on my england trip. Maybe I'll be able to add them in in the next few days.
Just bought my Indy tickets, same area as last year.
| Ferg | 02-28-2007 04:19 PM |
Some video from today in Bahrain...
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNf2rc-axs]teh YouTube[/URL]
There's a couple of videos from this week if you dig around a bit. I'd link them but I have to run and take a midterm dammit!
:D
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNf2rc-axs]teh YouTube[/URL]
There's a couple of videos from this week if you dig around a bit. I'd link them but I have to run and take a midterm dammit!
:D
| MattDell | 02-28-2007 05:10 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17212601]Some video from today in Bahrain...
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNf2rc-axs]teh YouTube[/URL]
There's a couple of videos from this week if you dig around a bit. I'd link them but I have to run and take a midterm dammit!
:D[/QUOTE]
Alonso is such a pimp walking around. God I want to work for an F1 team!
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNf2rc-axs]teh YouTube[/URL]
There's a couple of videos from this week if you dig around a bit. I'd link them but I have to run and take a midterm dammit!
:D[/QUOTE]
Alonso is such a pimp walking around. God I want to work for an F1 team!
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 02-28-2007 06:37 PM |
I'm getting antsy to fight the urge to sleep/ watch F1.
| nick735 | 02-28-2007 07:13 PM |
hmmm once again massa is faster than kimi.... Is kimi just sandbagging trying not to show the TRUE speed of the ferrari, or is massa just faster...? I guess we'll find out in a little over 2 weeks.:D
| TimStevens | 02-28-2007 07:32 PM |
Massa has GOT to kick ass this season and he's got to know this. He's going to be 10/10ths all year, which probably means more than a few crashes :)
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 02-28-2007 10:58 PM |
Very possibly yes.
I think there is truth to Ferrari's being very diffirent to drive as-well.
I think there is truth to Ferrari's being very diffirent to drive as-well.
| Yack Attack | 02-28-2007 11:00 PM |
I don't know... Massa showed well at the end of last season. He's got familiarity with the team. It may be that Kimi needs a bit more time to get comfortable with his new surroundings, but I was definitely impressed with Massa because of the way he closed out the '06 season. It will be an interesting year for F1.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 03-01-2007 12:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX;17059714][IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007str2/image/GEPA_full_1460_GEPA-13020-2[/IMG]
Is it just me or is it rather odd that the gold line on the racing suit lapel goes directly to Liuzzi's crotch?[/QUOTE]
It's only slightly worse than this from last year.
[IMG]http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/5/30125-formula1.jpg[/IMG]
Is it just me or is it rather odd that the gold line on the racing suit lapel goes directly to Liuzzi's crotch?[/QUOTE]
It's only slightly worse than this from last year.
[IMG]http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/5/30125-formula1.jpg[/IMG]
| erich_sc | 03-01-2007 04:10 AM |
I just bought tickets again this year for montreal... This will be my third time and I'm excited already!
| Ferg | 03-01-2007 10:09 AM |
Last day in Bahrain...
[QUOTE][B][U]Massa fastest again on final day
[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 1st 2007, 14:21 GMT
Felipe Massa maintained Ferrari's domination on the final day of major pre-season testing at Bahrain on Thursday to comfortably head the timesheets.
The Brazilian was evaluating an updated aerodynamic package on his F2007 and, although his best time was done on new tyres, it is understood it was not with a low qualifying-simulation level of fuel on board.
With the Ferrari's long run pace looking good as well, Massa was clearly full of confidence about how strong his team had ended testing.
"You don't just need a consistent car, you need a quick car," he said. "And here, we are quick and consistent."
Massa's closest challenger was Renault's Heikki Kovalainen, who ended the week with something to smile about following his spectacular crash on Tuesday. He did bring out a red flag, however, when he stopped on the track just after lunch.
The Brazilian was four tenths adrift of Massa, though, with teammate Giancarlo Fisichella a further one tenth of a second behind him.
With Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen, who used the new F2007 aero package in the afternoon, fourth fastest, McLaren's Fernando Alonso was fifth quickest overall.
Honda Racing's Rubens Barrichello was sixth quickest, ahead of McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa.
Scott Speed delivered a fairly impressive performance for Scuderia Toro Rosso to set the eighth quickest time, just ahead of the sister Red Bull Racing of David Coulthard.
The final day of testing brought more frustration for BMW-Sauber, who are still beset by reliability issues despite having a quick car. Nick Heidfeld, who ended the day 10th overall, stopped on track at 4pm, with teammate Robert Kubica coming to a halt 15 minutes before the end of the day.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Car Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:29.989 45
2. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:30.384 61
3. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:30.498 64
4. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:30.534 77
5. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:30.564 113
6. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:31.067 118
7. De la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:31.354 90
8. Speed Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:31.500 124
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:31.589 66
10. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:31.720 83
11. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:31.742 92
12. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:31.751 98
13. Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:31.791 81
14. Button Honda (B) 1:31.837 97
15. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:32.264 119
16. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:33.357 53
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B][U]Massa fastest again on final day
[/U][/B]
By Jonathan Noble Thursday, March 1st 2007, 14:21 GMT
Felipe Massa maintained Ferrari's domination on the final day of major pre-season testing at Bahrain on Thursday to comfortably head the timesheets.
The Brazilian was evaluating an updated aerodynamic package on his F2007 and, although his best time was done on new tyres, it is understood it was not with a low qualifying-simulation level of fuel on board.
With the Ferrari's long run pace looking good as well, Massa was clearly full of confidence about how strong his team had ended testing.
"You don't just need a consistent car, you need a quick car," he said. "And here, we are quick and consistent."
Massa's closest challenger was Renault's Heikki Kovalainen, who ended the week with something to smile about following his spectacular crash on Tuesday. He did bring out a red flag, however, when he stopped on the track just after lunch.
The Brazilian was four tenths adrift of Massa, though, with teammate Giancarlo Fisichella a further one tenth of a second behind him.
With Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen, who used the new F2007 aero package in the afternoon, fourth fastest, McLaren's Fernando Alonso was fifth quickest overall.
Honda Racing's Rubens Barrichello was sixth quickest, ahead of McLaren test driver Pedro de la Rosa.
Scott Speed delivered a fairly impressive performance for Scuderia Toro Rosso to set the eighth quickest time, just ahead of the sister Red Bull Racing of David Coulthard.
The final day of testing brought more frustration for BMW-Sauber, who are still beset by reliability issues despite having a quick car. Nick Heidfeld, who ended the day 10th overall, stopped on track at 4pm, with teammate Robert Kubica coming to a halt 15 minutes before the end of the day.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Car Time Laps
1. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:29.989 45
2. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:30.384 61
3. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:30.498 64
4. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:30.534 77
5. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:30.564 113
6. Barrichello Honda (B) 1:31.067 118
7. De la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:31.354 90
8. Speed Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:31.500 124
9. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:31.589 66
10. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) 1:31.720 83
11. Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:31.742 92
12. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) 1:31.751 98
13. Schumacher Toyota (B) 1:31.791 81
14. Button Honda (B) 1:31.837 97
15. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:32.264 119
16. Sato Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:33.357 53
[/QUOTE]
| TimStevens | 03-01-2007 10:17 AM |
I wouldn't be surprised if that's pretty close to how the points tally winds up at the end of the season :)
| StuBeck | 03-01-2007 10:33 AM |
RBR and STR seem a bit better.
| nick735 | 03-01-2007 10:53 AM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens;17221134]I wouldn't be surprised if that's pretty close to how the points tally winds up at the end of the season :)[/QUOTE]
I dunno i think its going to be a three way battle between kimi, felipe, and fernando. Hopefully with kimi coming out on top :D. I think kovalainen and hamilton will show up on the podium as well...
I dunno i think its going to be a three way battle between kimi, felipe, and fernando. Hopefully with kimi coming out on top :D. I think kovalainen and hamilton will show up on the podium as well...
| grippgoat | 03-01-2007 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17221021]Massa's closest challenger was Renault's Heikki Kovalainen, who ended the week with something to smile about following his spectacular crash on Tuesday. He did bring out a red flag, however, when he stopped on the track just after lunch.
The Brazilian was four tenths adrift of Massa, though, with teammate Giancarlo Fisichella a further one tenth of a second behind him.[/QUOTE]
Since when is Kovalainen Brazilian? o.O
-Mike
The Brazilian was four tenths adrift of Massa, though, with teammate Giancarlo Fisichella a further one tenth of a second behind him.[/QUOTE]
Since when is Kovalainen Brazilian? o.O
-Mike
| Ferg | 03-01-2007 01:05 PM |
^^
Oops!
Last day at Barcelona.
[QUOTE][B][U]Wurz leads last day in Barcelona[/U][/B]
Thursday, March 1st 2007, 18:00 GMT
Alex Wurz was comfortably fastest on the final day of Williams and Spyker's Barcelona test.
The two teams had remained in Europe while the other nine Formula One squads ran at Bahrain this week.
As had been the case on the previous two days of testing, the two Williams finished first and second ahead of the Spykers.
Wurz was eight tenths of a second ahead of the team's test driver Kazuki Nakajima, who had taken the place of Tuesday and Wednesday pacesetter Nico Rosberg. Both drivers were focusing on final set-up preparations for Melbourne.
Test team manager Dickie Stanford took the opportunity to thank the squad for their efforts over the winter.
"Thanks are due to the factory and the race and test team for all of the hard work that has been done over the last few months and has progressed the cars to this stage," he said.
Adrian Sutil was the faster of the Spyker duo, outpacing Christijan Albers by 0.6 seconds.
Today's testing times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:21.748 59
2. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.509 79
3. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:22.755 68
4. Albers Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:23.186 81
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
There's going to be [i]some[/i] testing next week but I can't get a rundown of who's doing what where...regardless it's now time for the LONG wait for Melbourne. Where's my booze? Booze makes time fly by.
:D
Oops!
Last day at Barcelona.
[QUOTE][B][U]Wurz leads last day in Barcelona[/U][/B]
Thursday, March 1st 2007, 18:00 GMT
Alex Wurz was comfortably fastest on the final day of Williams and Spyker's Barcelona test.
The two teams had remained in Europe while the other nine Formula One squads ran at Bahrain this week.
As had been the case on the previous two days of testing, the two Williams finished first and second ahead of the Spykers.
Wurz was eight tenths of a second ahead of the team's test driver Kazuki Nakajima, who had taken the place of Tuesday and Wednesday pacesetter Nico Rosberg. Both drivers were focusing on final set-up preparations for Melbourne.
Test team manager Dickie Stanford took the opportunity to thank the squad for their efforts over the winter.
"Thanks are due to the factory and the race and test team for all of the hard work that has been done over the last few months and has progressed the cars to this stage," he said.
Adrian Sutil was the faster of the Spyker duo, outpacing Christijan Albers by 0.6 seconds.
Today's testing times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Wurz Williams-Toyota (B) 1:21.748 59
2. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.509 79
3. Sutil Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:22.755 68
4. Albers Spyker-Ferrari (B) 1:23.186 81
All timing unofficial[/QUOTE]
There's going to be [i]some[/i] testing next week but I can't get a rundown of who's doing what where...regardless it's now time for the LONG wait for Melbourne. Where's my booze? Booze makes time fly by.
:D
| StuBeck | 03-01-2007 02:30 PM |
Red Bull is testing in France with an updated aero package.
| Ferg | 03-01-2007 02:45 PM |
So that would be the aero package that doesn't fly off?
Would the FIA consider that a movable aero device?
You could have your downforce for quali, then as the race progressed you just "shed" the bits for some extra speed.
Newey IS a genius!
:lol:
Would the FIA consider that a movable aero device?
You could have your downforce for quali, then as the race progressed you just "shed" the bits for some extra speed.
Newey IS a genius!
:lol:
| MattDell | 03-01-2007 03:43 PM |
[QUOTE]Kid Rock to perform at Indianapolis
Thursday, March 1st 2007, 15:23 GMT
Music star Kid Rock will headline the Carb Day concert which will take place just two days before the Indianapolis 500 in May.
The Friday before the race is the last chance for teams to take to the track before the race, and the concert will begin shortly after the track action has finished on the Friday afternoon.
Indianapolis Motor Speedway president Joie Chitwood said: "Kid Rock is a perfect musical match for Carb Day."
"His music is all about power, emotion and a good time, and that's exactly what our fans experience on one of the most popular days during the month of May in Indianapolis."
Fans with tickets for Carb Day will have free access to the concert on May 25, which takes place on the infield of the oval.[/QUOTE]
This totally makes the trip worth it. :lol:
Thursday, March 1st 2007, 15:23 GMT
Music star Kid Rock will headline the Carb Day concert which will take place just two days before the Indianapolis 500 in May.
The Friday before the race is the last chance for teams to take to the track before the race, and the concert will begin shortly after the track action has finished on the Friday afternoon.
Indianapolis Motor Speedway president Joie Chitwood said: "Kid Rock is a perfect musical match for Carb Day."
"His music is all about power, emotion and a good time, and that's exactly what our fans experience on one of the most popular days during the month of May in Indianapolis."
Fans with tickets for Carb Day will have free access to the concert on May 25, which takes place on the infield of the oval.[/QUOTE]
This totally makes the trip worth it. :lol:
| MattDell | 03-01-2007 04:16 PM |
I find myself wondering the same thing as Ian all the time. No real answer, but a good read I thought.
[QUOTE][B]Dear Nigel,
Can you shed any light on the Honda mystery? Here we have a team with tremendous technological resources, all the finance they could want, and last but not least Japanese pride. And yet despite all this they are only "almost there" year after year. Beats me!
Ian Stewart[/B]
Dear Ian,
Ronnie Bucknum (Honda RA271) 1964 German Grand Prix at the NurburgringYes, it is a bit of mystery, isn't it? Honda came into Formula One in August 1964, entering a single car, for American rookie Ronnie Bucknum, at the German Grand Prix. Given that in those days the race was run at the Nordschleife - the 'old' Nurburgring - they weren't making life easy for themselves, were they? Bucknum - complete with a Coke can as an improvised oil catch tank - qualified last, almost a minute from John Surtees's pole time (!), and ultimately crashed out of the race.
It was hardly the most auspicious of debuts, but at the team's next race - Monza - Bucknum qualified ninth in the 20-car field. And the following year, now with Richie Ginther as the number one driver, Honda made significant progress, to the point that in Mexico, the very last race of the 1.5-litre F1, Ginther completely dominated.
In 1966, the first year of the 3-litre F1, there were occasional flashes of competitiveness, but no sign of another victory. For 1967 the company employed one driver only - but that driver was John Surtees. There was good power from the company's V12 engine, but the car was terribly heavy, and even for Surtees it was a struggle to stay in touch with the front runners.
Eventually John, involved with Lola for CanAm and sports car racing, went into business himself, and at Monza turned up with what was christened the 'Hondola'. After a titanic battle with Jack Brabham, Surtees won the Italian Grand Prix by a few feet.
That was the last Honda victory of the era, however. Surtees was often competitive in 1968, finishing second at Rouen, for example, but there were no more victories, and at the end of the year Honda took its leave from F1. The company would be absent for a very long time. Not until 1983, when Honda supplied engines to the little Spirit team, was the name seen in Grand Prix racing again.
Better times lay ahead, however - although Honda preferred to remain merely as an engine supplier. With Williams from 1984 to '87, and then with McLaren from '88 to '92 (as well as brief spells with Lotus and Tyrrell), the company enjoyed tremendous success, Nelson Piquet, Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost all winning World Championships with their engines.
Then, after 1992, they were gone again. In 2000 the Honda name returned, as engine supplier to the wretchedly unsuccessful BAR team, which eventually the company bought out. Since then there has been but one victory - by Jenson Button in Hungary last year.
As you say, Ian, the company has tremendous resources, both technological and financial - so why the lack of success. I think it's fair to say that when Honda first returned (with BAR, and also, for a while, Jordan), there was some evidence that the philosophy of the company had changed. Always known primarily as an 'engineering' company, it seemed in the first years of the 21st century that the emphasis had switched very much towards marketing. On the track, bluntly, Honda simply weren't getting the job done.
More recently, the emphasis appears to have switched back, but still there has been far less success than was anticipated. Why? Some point to weaknesses on the car design side, others to failings in management. If you include the BAR years in the equation, there do seem to have been a great many different hands on the tiller. For a long time Craig Pollock was in charge, but ultimately he was replaced by David Richards, who in turn was succeeded by Nick Fry, which brings us up to date.
As you say, Honda have been 'almost there' for year after year - and, from what Button has been saying recently, it seems a likelihood that the pattern will continue in 2007. Jenson's victory in Hungary last year, although superbly taken, owed something to luck, let's face it. He had qualified only 14th for the race, and while he drove magnificently, he would not have won, had Fernando Alonso not retired.
That said, Button scored more points in the second half of the '07 season than any other driver, so at least reliability was sound, and pace reasonable. Too often last year, though, we saw Honda qualifying well, and then disappointing in the race.
Speak to other teams about Honda's failure quite to deliver, and folk tend to murmur about 'too many chiefs' in the team. Whatever, it has invariably been the case that Honda show poor form in the early races, and then spend much of the season 'catching up', rather as Ferrari used to do in Michael Schumacher's early years with the team.
The shining exception to that rule, of course, was 2004, when Richards was still at the helm. Although the team, then still BAR-Honda, failed to win a race - Button had a tremendous season, scoring 85 points, and finishing third in the championship, beaten only by the Ferrari drivers. In the constructors' championship, BAR-Honda placed second to Ferrari. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Dear Nigel,
Can you shed any light on the Honda mystery? Here we have a team with tremendous technological resources, all the finance they could want, and last but not least Japanese pride. And yet despite all this they are only "almost there" year after year. Beats me!
Ian Stewart[/B]
Dear Ian,
Ronnie Bucknum (Honda RA271) 1964 German Grand Prix at the NurburgringYes, it is a bit of mystery, isn't it? Honda came into Formula One in August 1964, entering a single car, for American rookie Ronnie Bucknum, at the German Grand Prix. Given that in those days the race was run at the Nordschleife - the 'old' Nurburgring - they weren't making life easy for themselves, were they? Bucknum - complete with a Coke can as an improvised oil catch tank - qualified last, almost a minute from John Surtees's pole time (!), and ultimately crashed out of the race.
It was hardly the most auspicious of debuts, but at the team's next race - Monza - Bucknum qualified ninth in the 20-car field. And the following year, now with Richie Ginther as the number one driver, Honda made significant progress, to the point that in Mexico, the very last race of the 1.5-litre F1, Ginther completely dominated.
In 1966, the first year of the 3-litre F1, there were occasional flashes of competitiveness, but no sign of another victory. For 1967 the company employed one driver only - but that driver was John Surtees. There was good power from the company's V12 engine, but the car was terribly heavy, and even for Surtees it was a struggle to stay in touch with the front runners.
Eventually John, involved with Lola for CanAm and sports car racing, went into business himself, and at Monza turned up with what was christened the 'Hondola'. After a titanic battle with Jack Brabham, Surtees won the Italian Grand Prix by a few feet.
That was the last Honda victory of the era, however. Surtees was often competitive in 1968, finishing second at Rouen, for example, but there were no more victories, and at the end of the year Honda took its leave from F1. The company would be absent for a very long time. Not until 1983, when Honda supplied engines to the little Spirit team, was the name seen in Grand Prix racing again.
Better times lay ahead, however - although Honda preferred to remain merely as an engine supplier. With Williams from 1984 to '87, and then with McLaren from '88 to '92 (as well as brief spells with Lotus and Tyrrell), the company enjoyed tremendous success, Nelson Piquet, Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost all winning World Championships with their engines.
Then, after 1992, they were gone again. In 2000 the Honda name returned, as engine supplier to the wretchedly unsuccessful BAR team, which eventually the company bought out. Since then there has been but one victory - by Jenson Button in Hungary last year.
As you say, Ian, the company has tremendous resources, both technological and financial - so why the lack of success. I think it's fair to say that when Honda first returned (with BAR, and also, for a while, Jordan), there was some evidence that the philosophy of the company had changed. Always known primarily as an 'engineering' company, it seemed in the first years of the 21st century that the emphasis had switched very much towards marketing. On the track, bluntly, Honda simply weren't getting the job done.
More recently, the emphasis appears to have switched back, but still there has been far less success than was anticipated. Why? Some point to weaknesses on the car design side, others to failings in management. If you include the BAR years in the equation, there do seem to have been a great many different hands on the tiller. For a long time Craig Pollock was in charge, but ultimately he was replaced by David Richards, who in turn was succeeded by Nick Fry, which brings us up to date.
As you say, Honda have been 'almost there' for year after year - and, from what Button has been saying recently, it seems a likelihood that the pattern will continue in 2007. Jenson's victory in Hungary last year, although superbly taken, owed something to luck, let's face it. He had qualified only 14th for the race, and while he drove magnificently, he would not have won, had Fernando Alonso not retired.
That said, Button scored more points in the second half of the '07 season than any other driver, so at least reliability was sound, and pace reasonable. Too often last year, though, we saw Honda qualifying well, and then disappointing in the race.
Speak to other teams about Honda's failure quite to deliver, and folk tend to murmur about 'too many chiefs' in the team. Whatever, it has invariably been the case that Honda show poor form in the early races, and then spend much of the season 'catching up', rather as Ferrari used to do in Michael Schumacher's early years with the team.
The shining exception to that rule, of course, was 2004, when Richards was still at the helm. Although the team, then still BAR-Honda, failed to win a race - Button had a tremendous season, scoring 85 points, and finishing third in the championship, beaten only by the Ferrari drivers. In the constructors' championship, BAR-Honda placed second to Ferrari. [/QUOTE]
| Slick33 | 03-01-2007 04:27 PM |
[QUOTE=MattDell;17225424]This totally makes the trip worth it. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Kid Rock's not dead yet?? :lol:
Kid Rock's not dead yet?? :lol:
| 4mula1fan | 03-03-2007 02:19 PM |
[quote=TimStevens;17221134]I wouldn't be surprised if that's pretty close to how the points tally winds up at the end of the season :)[/quote]
Fisi is a turd and overrated. I'll be shocked if he's still in F1 next year.
Fisi is a turd and overrated. I'll be shocked if he's still in F1 next year.
| Ferg | 03-03-2007 05:14 PM |
I agree that this is going to be Giancarlo's last season in F1, unless he pulls a title out of his ass, but I wouldn't call him "overrated" any longer. I think most everyone who follows the sport knows exactly where he stacks up these days. Strictly second tier.
:)
14 days! 12 before first practice.
:)
14 days! 12 before first practice.
| KAX | 03-03-2007 06:39 PM |
2 weeks! woot :)
| Ferg | 03-03-2007 06:59 PM |
Right, here's the TV schedule for round one...
[QUOTE]Thursday, March 15th
8:00 pm Formula One Practice Australian Grand Prix (LIVE)
Friday, March 16th
8:30 pm Formula One Qualifying Australia (SDD)
Saturday, March 17th
7:30 pm Formula One Australian Grand Prix (LIVE)
[/QUOTE]
All times Pacific...and quali is delayed an hgour or two for NASCAR truck racing.
[QUOTE]Thursday, March 15th
8:00 pm Formula One Practice Australian Grand Prix (LIVE)
Friday, March 16th
8:30 pm Formula One Qualifying Australia (SDD)
Saturday, March 17th
7:30 pm Formula One Australian Grand Prix (LIVE)
[/QUOTE]
All times Pacific...and quali is delayed an hgour or two for NASCAR truck racing.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 03-03-2007 07:44 PM |
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
| John__Gotti | 03-03-2007 11:00 PM |
Guess I should starting thinking of getting the PVR ready. Time to make some room for the important stuff. :D
| MattDell | 03-04-2007 11:30 AM |
I hope Honda can pull something out of their ass.
[QUOTE]Honda plan major car revamp for Malaysia
By Jonathan Noble Sunday, March 4th 2007, 13:41 GMT
Shuhei Nakamoto and Nick Fry at the RA107 launchHonda Racing are planning a major revamp to their RA107 in time for the Malaysian Grand Prix, autosport.com can reveal, after admitting that the car has fallen short of expectations.
Although Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello showed some improved form during the recent Bahrain test, where the car's definitive Melbourne-spec aero package was run for the first time, the RA107 still lacks the out-and-out pace needed to fight at the front of the field.
The lack of performance has left the team's technical department seeking improvements, and the first step will be taken during the pre-Malaysian GP test that takes place at Sepang following the first race in Australia.
Honda's senior technical director Shuhei Nakamoto has told autosport.com that major improvements to the car's aerodynamic package and also other mechanical changes would be made for the Sepang test.
"There will be a big upgrade at the Sepang test, and also a revision to the suspension," he said.
Nakamoto said he was pessimistic about Honda's chances of a strong showing in the season-opening Australian Grand Prix - where he doubted they would be able to qualify inside the top 10.
"At the moment we are ahead of Red Bull and Toyota, but behind the rest," he said. "I know BMW have been using a non-2007 wing (in testing) so they lose one or two tenths, but we will still be behind. It will be a massive struggle to get into Q3 (qualifying for the top ten)."
Despite the fears about the pace, however, Nakamoto said that he was comfortable with how the car performed over long runs in testing - something that could allow them to take points in Melbourne.
"We tried several different mechanical set-ups in the test," he explained. "Both Jenson and Rubens found one set-up which may be good in the long run."
Earlier this week, team boss Nick Fry admitted that the start of the season would be a struggle for the team but that he was comfortable that they would improve as the year wore on.
"With our team over the last seven or eight years it has been an evolutionary process and we evolved our way up to fourth place in the championship last year," he said.
"But to get into the top three, we don't feel you can do it with evolution. It is more minor revolution and a lot of features of this car, especially the cooling package, the exhaust packaging and Coke bottling at the rear of the car are probably more dramatic than any other.
"So the headroom this cars gives us in order to develop through the season is much greater than we have had before. I am not promising we will win in Melbourne, far from it, I think we will be in a points scoring position.
"But as we go through the season this car has the ability to get stronger and stronger, and it will be a race winner."[/QUOTE]
-Matt
[QUOTE]Honda plan major car revamp for Malaysia
By Jonathan Noble Sunday, March 4th 2007, 13:41 GMT
Shuhei Nakamoto and Nick Fry at the RA107 launchHonda Racing are planning a major revamp to their RA107 in time for the Malaysian Grand Prix, autosport.com can reveal, after admitting that the car has fallen short of expectations.
Although Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello showed some improved form during the recent Bahrain test, where the car's definitive Melbourne-spec aero package was run for the first time, the RA107 still lacks the out-and-out pace needed to fight at the front of the field.
The lack of performance has left the team's technical department seeking improvements, and the first step will be taken during the pre-Malaysian GP test that takes place at Sepang following the first race in Australia.
Honda's senior technical director Shuhei Nakamoto has told autosport.com that major improvements to the car's aerodynamic package and also other mechanical changes would be made for the Sepang test.
"There will be a big upgrade at the Sepang test, and also a revision to the suspension," he said.
Nakamoto said he was pessimistic about Honda's chances of a strong showing in the season-opening Australian Grand Prix - where he doubted they would be able to qualify inside the top 10.
"At the moment we are ahead of Red Bull and Toyota, but behind the rest," he said. "I know BMW have been using a non-2007 wing (in testing) so they lose one or two tenths, but we will still be behind. It will be a massive struggle to get into Q3 (qualifying for the top ten)."
Despite the fears about the pace, however, Nakamoto said that he was comfortable with how the car performed over long runs in testing - something that could allow them to take points in Melbourne.
"We tried several different mechanical set-ups in the test," he explained. "Both Jenson and Rubens found one set-up which may be good in the long run."
Earlier this week, team boss Nick Fry admitted that the start of the season would be a struggle for the team but that he was comfortable that they would improve as the year wore on.
"With our team over the last seven or eight years it has been an evolutionary process and we evolved our way up to fourth place in the championship last year," he said.
"But to get into the top three, we don't feel you can do it with evolution. It is more minor revolution and a lot of features of this car, especially the cooling package, the exhaust packaging and Coke bottling at the rear of the car are probably more dramatic than any other.
"So the headroom this cars gives us in order to develop through the season is much greater than we have had before. I am not promising we will win in Melbourne, far from it, I think we will be in a points scoring position.
"But as we go through the season this car has the ability to get stronger and stronger, and it will be a race winner."[/QUOTE]
-Matt
| ArtGecko | 03-05-2007 08:54 PM |
Well, you know it is getting close when you get that first email of the season from Motorsport.com!
[quote]The 2007 motorsport.com F1 Pick 6 and F1 PP competitions are now open.
Visit [url]http://motorsport.com/compete/[/url] to register (players from prior
seasons are already registered), or to make picks for future races.
F1 Pick 6: [url]http://motorsport.com/compete/p6/[/url]
F1 PP: [url]http://motorsport.com/compete/pp/[/url][/quote]
If you haven't played before, register at the above web site, and be sure to put yourself in the Impreza.net group. Then you'll see how you compare to the rest of us here. Just remember, you have to get your picks in 12 hours before the first practice, and if you miss a deadline, your picks roll over from the previous race. *But* only for one race. Miss the next one and you get a goose egg. I don't know of there is a limit on number of times you can roll your picks over, but I did it three times during the '05 season.
Does anyone do the PP6? I did the first few years, but haven't for the last couple.
Are we having event threads, or does the new all-in-one sticky stuff require us to have everything in one giant season-long thread?
Good luck, and remember, you can pick your teams, and you can pick your nose, but you can't copy your friend's picks. Wait, that's not right... you can pick your teeth, no, you can toucan like one one can! No, aw, go pick your winners!
1) Shuey
2) Chili Dog
3) Jackson Newhouse
4) M Hakkinan
5) H-H F
6) Zsolt
7) Thanks Fer Stoppin
8) Watts da Matta
Steve
[quote]The 2007 motorsport.com F1 Pick 6 and F1 PP competitions are now open.
Visit [url]http://motorsport.com/compete/[/url] to register (players from prior
seasons are already registered), or to make picks for future races.
F1 Pick 6: [url]http://motorsport.com/compete/p6/[/url]
F1 PP: [url]http://motorsport.com/compete/pp/[/url][/quote]
If you haven't played before, register at the above web site, and be sure to put yourself in the Impreza.net group. Then you'll see how you compare to the rest of us here. Just remember, you have to get your picks in 12 hours before the first practice, and if you miss a deadline, your picks roll over from the previous race. *But* only for one race. Miss the next one and you get a goose egg. I don't know of there is a limit on number of times you can roll your picks over, but I did it three times during the '05 season.
Does anyone do the PP6? I did the first few years, but haven't for the last couple.
Are we having event threads, or does the new all-in-one sticky stuff require us to have everything in one giant season-long thread?
Good luck, and remember, you can pick your teams, and you can pick your nose, but you can't copy your friend's picks. Wait, that's not right... you can pick your teeth, no, you can toucan like one one can! No, aw, go pick your winners!
1) Shuey
2) Chili Dog
3) Jackson Newhouse
4) M Hakkinan
5) H-H F
6) Zsolt
7) Thanks Fer Stoppin
8) Watts da Matta
Steve
| KAX | 03-05-2007 09:04 PM |
i think Ill try the F1 PP as well as the evently pick 6. I suck at pick 6 so maybe Ill be decent at PP.
we always get seperate threads for the races. This is the news and rumor thread.
we always get seperate threads for the races. This is the news and rumor thread.
| Ferg | 03-05-2007 09:34 PM |
We're absolutely having individual thread for each Grand Prix.
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.
| ArtGecko | 03-05-2007 10:10 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17268292]We're absolutely having individual thread for each Grand Prix.
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.[/QUOTE]
Cool. I knew we always had the individual threads in the past along with the giant 2006 season thread. I just gathered from the sticky discussion a few weeks back that individual event threads were no longer happening.
I'm not sure I check here every three minutes, but this is my third time since getting home from work this evening :D
Less than 12 days now!
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.[/QUOTE]
Cool. I knew we always had the individual threads in the past along with the giant 2006 season thread. I just gathered from the sticky discussion a few weeks back that individual event threads were no longer happening.
I'm not sure I check here every three minutes, but this is my third time since getting home from work this evening :D
Less than 12 days now!
| RALLYT-WRX | 03-06-2007 07:53 AM |
[SIZE="7"][B][COLOR="Red"]11 DAYS TO GO!!!![/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]
| artkevin | 03-06-2007 11:12 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17268292]We're absolutely having individual thread for each Grand Prix.
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.[/QUOTE]
Guilty :(
Edit:
Can you take the soul out of a souless track?
[B]Indy road course could be reversed [/B]
By Toby Moody and Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 6th 2007, 14:15 GMT
Indianapolis is considering plans to reverse the direction of its road course for the United States Grand Prix on the back of its bid to secure a MotoGP round, autosport.com has learned.
With the track believed to be close to a deal to host a MotoGP race as early as 2008, preliminary discussions have taken place between circuit officials and series organisers about revising the track to make it suitable for motorbikes.
The biggest change to the circuit layout is likely to be at Turn 13 of the road course, which is the first corner of the oval.
The close proximity of the wall on the exit of the current layout is an obvious safety concern for bikes, and there has been widespread talk of the course being altered to cut into the infield at this point rather than use the full turn.
High-level sources close to the negotiations between MotoGP and Indianapolis have also revealed that as well as those track modifications, the plan is for the direction of the road course to be reversed from its current clockwise configuration.
This would minimise the danger of riders heading towards the famous Indianapolis wall and, with the bikes using this configuration, it is understood that it is being seriously considered for the F1 race as well.
It is thought that Indianapolis ultimately favours F1 using the anti-clockwise route because it would then mean its four big events - the Indy 500, the Brickyard 500, the US Grand Prix and MotoGP - would then all run in the same direction.
A source close to the discussions said: "Indianapolis plans to run it anti-clockwise for MotoGP, the same as the Indy 500. They would like F1 to use the same course too, so that all four events would run the same direction."
At the moment the road course runs in a clockwise direction after the circuit felt the design created for the inaugural 2000 event worked better that way.
Kevin Forbes, Indianapolis' director of engineering and construction, told Autosport at the time: "It was not hard to determine the direction. The layout was a whole lot safer in one direction than the other. And the pit entry and exit work better clockwise."
Any concerns about the safety of running the road course anti-clockwise would be alleviated by modifications required for MotoGP - which will require a new pit exit anyway.
Any plans to change the direction of the road course for the US Grand Prix would require full approval from the sport's governing body, although it is not thought that there would be any objections if the changes met F1's high safety standards.
Indianapolis have drawn short of confirming talk about changing the direction of the road course, but spokesman Ron Green told autosport.com that revisions to the track were not being ruled out.
"IMS continues to work toward presenting a major motorcycle event in 2008 or 2009," he said. "This is a process that began as early as 2003.
"We are being as thorough as possible. Modifications to the current road course could possibly be made before any motorcycle event takes place."
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.[/QUOTE]
Guilty :(
Edit:
Can you take the soul out of a souless track?
[B]Indy road course could be reversed [/B]
By Toby Moody and Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 6th 2007, 14:15 GMT
Indianapolis is considering plans to reverse the direction of its road course for the United States Grand Prix on the back of its bid to secure a MotoGP round, autosport.com has learned.
With the track believed to be close to a deal to host a MotoGP race as early as 2008, preliminary discussions have taken place between circuit officials and series organisers about revising the track to make it suitable for motorbikes.
The biggest change to the circuit layout is likely to be at Turn 13 of the road course, which is the first corner of the oval.
The close proximity of the wall on the exit of the current layout is an obvious safety concern for bikes, and there has been widespread talk of the course being altered to cut into the infield at this point rather than use the full turn.
High-level sources close to the negotiations between MotoGP and Indianapolis have also revealed that as well as those track modifications, the plan is for the direction of the road course to be reversed from its current clockwise configuration.
This would minimise the danger of riders heading towards the famous Indianapolis wall and, with the bikes using this configuration, it is understood that it is being seriously considered for the F1 race as well.
It is thought that Indianapolis ultimately favours F1 using the anti-clockwise route because it would then mean its four big events - the Indy 500, the Brickyard 500, the US Grand Prix and MotoGP - would then all run in the same direction.
A source close to the discussions said: "Indianapolis plans to run it anti-clockwise for MotoGP, the same as the Indy 500. They would like F1 to use the same course too, so that all four events would run the same direction."
At the moment the road course runs in a clockwise direction after the circuit felt the design created for the inaugural 2000 event worked better that way.
Kevin Forbes, Indianapolis' director of engineering and construction, told Autosport at the time: "It was not hard to determine the direction. The layout was a whole lot safer in one direction than the other. And the pit entry and exit work better clockwise."
Any concerns about the safety of running the road course anti-clockwise would be alleviated by modifications required for MotoGP - which will require a new pit exit anyway.
Any plans to change the direction of the road course for the US Grand Prix would require full approval from the sport's governing body, although it is not thought that there would be any objections if the changes met F1's high safety standards.
Indianapolis have drawn short of confirming talk about changing the direction of the road course, but spokesman Ron Green told autosport.com that revisions to the track were not being ruled out.
"IMS continues to work toward presenting a major motorcycle event in 2008 or 2009," he said. "This is a process that began as early as 2003.
"We are being as thorough as possible. Modifications to the current road course could possibly be made before any motorcycle event takes place."
| grippgoat | 03-06-2007 11:50 AM |
Check out this article:
[url]http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=30663[/url]
Fisi says McLaren and Ferrari are faster, but at least half a second a lap. I couldn't help thinking, "No kidding, dumbass. That's how much slower you are than Alonso, Raikkonen, and Massa."
-Mike
[url]http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=30663[/url]
Fisi says McLaren and Ferrari are faster, but at least half a second a lap. I couldn't help thinking, "No kidding, dumbass. That's how much slower you are than Alonso, Raikkonen, and Massa."
-Mike
| nKoan | 03-06-2007 12:20 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17268292]We're absolutely having individual thread for each Grand Prix.
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.[/QUOTE]
I cry a little every day where there are no new posts in this thread. Even though 80% of it is crap, I still love this thread :sniff:
This thread is purely for the hardcore who can't go three minutes without thinking about F1. Not that I know any of course.[/QUOTE]
I cry a little every day where there are no new posts in this thread. Even though 80% of it is crap, I still love this thread :sniff:
| bfodle | 03-06-2007 04:20 PM |
80% crap? what are you talking about...........:rolleyes:
I still love it though. :D
I still love it though. :D
| sirfrankwilliams | 03-06-2007 04:33 PM |
[SIZE=1]my addition to the 80% is usually semi-random pict4rs
[IMG]http://i.eurosport.com/2007/01/11/329895-1667618-458-238.jpg[/IMG]
[/SIZE]
please don't cry
[IMG]http://i.eurosport.com/2007/01/11/329895-1667618-458-238.jpg[/IMG]
[/SIZE]
please don't cry
| artkevin | 03-06-2007 04:41 PM |
Spyker changed colors because it didn't film well with the all bright orange. I agree.
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69370.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69376.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69378.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69370.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69376.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69378.jpg[/IMG]
| RollingRex | 03-06-2007 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE=John__Gotti;17248849]Guess I should starting thinking of getting the PVR ready. Time to make some room for the important stuff. :D[/QUOTE]
My DVR is already set, I will be in Sebring all day and F1 race should be starting just about the same time as I will be getting back. I know I will fall asleep during the race. Done that before. :mad:
My DVR is already set, I will be in Sebring all day and F1 race should be starting just about the same time as I will be getting back. I know I will fall asleep during the race. Done that before. :mad:
| artkevin | 03-06-2007 05:31 PM |
I used to fall asleep in college before PVR's. I would always blank out about lap 18 and wake back up on on 55. Tried eating icecream to keep me occupied but I would just wake up double pissed becaue I missed the race and had a bowl of melted icecream spilled all over me.
| KAX | 03-06-2007 06:10 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17278316]I used to fall asleep in college before PVR's. I would always blank out about lap 18 and wake back up on on 55. Tried eating icecream to keep me occupied but I would just wake up double pissed becaue I missed the race and had a bowl of melted icecream spilled all over me.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
i like the spyker colors much more now. all orange was cool, but orange and pewter is even better!
:lol:
i like the spyker colors much more now. all orange was cool, but orange and pewter is even better!
| sirfrankwilliams | 03-06-2007 06:10 PM |
^:lol:
Falling asleep with a bowl of ice cream seems unpossible!
Falling asleep with a bowl of ice cream seems unpossible!
| speedyHAM | 03-06-2007 06:17 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17277633]Spyker changed colors because it didn't film well with the all bright orange. I agree.
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69378.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The first look at the "BRAKES ON" sign had me thinking that it said "NO BRAKES".
:lol:
[IMG]http://images.gpupdate.net/large/69378.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The first look at the "BRAKES ON" sign had me thinking that it said "NO BRAKES".
:lol:
| artkevin | 03-06-2007 06:45 PM |
[QUOTE=sirfrankwilliams;17278809]^:lol:
Falling asleep with a bowl of ice cream seems unpossible![/QUOTE]
Thats what I thought!
[B]Tyre types will be visibly distinguished[/B]
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 6th 2007, 20:47 GMT
Formula One will adopt its own version of Champ Car-type 'red tyre' markings this season to make it easier for fans to understand what compounds drivers are using, autosport.com can reveal.
Following an 11th hour decision by the Formula One Commission and the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, a modification to F1's sporting regulations means that the two different tyre compounds must now be visibly different.
This comes after months of discussions between the teams, the FIA and Bridgestone about the situation - and how best to make the most of the regulations that forces drivers to use both hard and soft compounds in races.
Although there was a push to try and help inform the fans of what type of tyres drivers were using by making the different types of rubber look different, the teams initially resisted any move to publicise what they were doing for fear it could benefit the opposition.
As late as January it appeared that all attempts to make teams go public with their plans had failed, and instead, as Autosport revealed at the time, the FIA considered forcing teams to simply state what type of tyres they would start the race with.
However, further discussions in recent weeks have now resulted in a last-minute rule change that requires the two different compounds at races to be 'visibly' different - so the public will know what tyres each driver is using.
Formula One's revised 2007 Sporting Regulations states: "Each tyre supplier must undertake to provide no more than two specifications of dry-weather tyre at each Event, each of which must be of one homogenous compound and visibly distinguishable from one another when a car is on the track." (emphasis added)
Autosport.com understands that discussions are now taking place within Bridgestone to decide exactly what it will do to the tyres to make them appear different. A decision needs to be made soon, however, with the season starting in Australia next weekend.
A Bridgestone spokeswoman confirmed that a simple marking would be used to distinguish the tyres, as opposed to a completely different colour sidewall or tyre, as done in Champ Car.
"There will be a marking on one of the different specification of tyres," she said.
Although it has not been finalised yet, the most likely route that will be taken is for one of the compounds to be marked with a large solid white circle - big enough to ensure that the white colour is visible when the wheel is in motion.
Although it was originally suggested that F1 could follow Champ Car's example and paint the sidewall of the softer tyres red, Bridgestone baulked at that suggestion because of the costs it would entail.
The company's former technical manager Hisao Suganuma told autosport.com last year that such a move could lead to a lot of wasted tyres - because a soft tyre that needed to be painted red at one race could be a medium tyre at the following race.
"Taking account of the production of such tyres, we need to think," explained Suganuma. "For example, in Champ Car softer tyres have the red mark on the sidewall.
"Maybe we would have some difficulty because the softer tyre on a circuit may be the harder tyre on another circuit, which means we need to have all the different specifications in double colours - one with a standard sidewall and the other with a coloured sidewall.
"That makes it more difficult. If we need to do that we should think about the best way to do it."
Falling asleep with a bowl of ice cream seems unpossible![/QUOTE]
Thats what I thought!
[B]Tyre types will be visibly distinguished[/B]
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 6th 2007, 20:47 GMT
Formula One will adopt its own version of Champ Car-type 'red tyre' markings this season to make it easier for fans to understand what compounds drivers are using, autosport.com can reveal.
Following an 11th hour decision by the Formula One Commission and the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, a modification to F1's sporting regulations means that the two different tyre compounds must now be visibly different.
This comes after months of discussions between the teams, the FIA and Bridgestone about the situation - and how best to make the most of the regulations that forces drivers to use both hard and soft compounds in races.
Although there was a push to try and help inform the fans of what type of tyres drivers were using by making the different types of rubber look different, the teams initially resisted any move to publicise what they were doing for fear it could benefit the opposition.
As late as January it appeared that all attempts to make teams go public with their plans had failed, and instead, as Autosport revealed at the time, the FIA considered forcing teams to simply state what type of tyres they would start the race with.
However, further discussions in recent weeks have now resulted in a last-minute rule change that requires the two different compounds at races to be 'visibly' different - so the public will know what tyres each driver is using.
Formula One's revised 2007 Sporting Regulations states: "Each tyre supplier must undertake to provide no more than two specifications of dry-weather tyre at each Event, each of which must be of one homogenous compound and visibly distinguishable from one another when a car is on the track." (emphasis added)
Autosport.com understands that discussions are now taking place within Bridgestone to decide exactly what it will do to the tyres to make them appear different. A decision needs to be made soon, however, with the season starting in Australia next weekend.
A Bridgestone spokeswoman confirmed that a simple marking would be used to distinguish the tyres, as opposed to a completely different colour sidewall or tyre, as done in Champ Car.
"There will be a marking on one of the different specification of tyres," she said.
Although it has not been finalised yet, the most likely route that will be taken is for one of the compounds to be marked with a large solid white circle - big enough to ensure that the white colour is visible when the wheel is in motion.
Although it was originally suggested that F1 could follow Champ Car's example and paint the sidewall of the softer tyres red, Bridgestone baulked at that suggestion because of the costs it would entail.
The company's former technical manager Hisao Suganuma told autosport.com last year that such a move could lead to a lot of wasted tyres - because a soft tyre that needed to be painted red at one race could be a medium tyre at the following race.
"Taking account of the production of such tyres, we need to think," explained Suganuma. "For example, in Champ Car softer tyres have the red mark on the sidewall.
"Maybe we would have some difficulty because the softer tyre on a circuit may be the harder tyre on another circuit, which means we need to have all the different specifications in double colours - one with a standard sidewall and the other with a coloured sidewall.
"That makes it more difficult. If we need to do that we should think about the best way to do it."
| Wr4wrX | 03-06-2007 10:33 PM |
[QUOTE=nKoan;17274209]I cry a little every day where there are no new posts in this thread. Even though 80% of it is crap, I still love this thread :sniff:[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://people.ucsc.edu/~surfbum/ttis.gif[/IMG]
[IMG]http://people.ucsc.edu/~surfbum/ttis.gif[/IMG]
| Wr4wrX | 03-06-2007 10:35 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;17277633]Spyker changed colors because it didn't film well with the all bright orange. I agree.[/QUOTE]
Wow...the Spyker is soooo hot now.
Wow...the Spyker is soooo hot now.
| MattDell | 03-07-2007 01:33 AM |
Looks like the tires will have to be visibly different this season.
[QUOTE]Tyre types will be visibly distinguished
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 6th 2007, 20:47 GMT
Formula One will adopt its own version of Champ Car-type 'red tyre' markings this season to make it easier for fans to understand what compounds drivers are using, autosport.com can reveal.
Following an 11th hour decision by the Formula One Commission and the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, a modification to F1's sporting regulations means that the two different tyre compounds must now be visibly different.
This comes after months of discussions between the teams, the FIA and Bridgestone about the situation - and how best to make the most of the regulations that forces drivers to use both hard and soft compounds in races.
Although there was a push to try and help inform the fans of what type of tyres drivers were using by making the different types of rubber look different, the teams initially resisted any move to publicise what they were doing for fear it could benefit the opposition.
As late as January it appeared that all attempts to make teams go public with their plans had failed, and instead, as Autosport revealed at the time, the FIA considered forcing teams to simply state what type of tyres they would start the race with.
However, further discussions in recent weeks have now resulted in a last-minute rule change that requires the two different compounds at races to be 'visibly' different - so the public will know what tyres each driver is using.
Formula One's revised 2007 Sporting Regulations states: "Each tyre supplier must undertake to provide no more than two specifications of dry-weather tyre at each Event, each of which must be of one homogenous compound and visibly distinguishable from one another when a car is on the track." (emphasis added)
Autosport.com understands that discussions are now taking place within Bridgestone to decide exactly what it will do to the tyres to make them appear different. A decision needs to be made soon, however, with the season starting in Australia next weekend.
A Bridgestone spokeswoman confirmed that a simple marking would be used to distinguish the tyres, as opposed to a completely different colour sidewall or tyre, as done in Champ Car.
"There will be a marking on one of the different specification of tyres," she said.
Although it has not been finalised yet, the most likely route that will be taken is for one of the compounds to be marked with a large solid white circle - big enough to ensure that the white colour is visible when the wheel is in motion.
Although it was originally suggested that F1 could follow Champ Car's example and paint the sidewall of the softer tyres red, Bridgestone baulked at that suggestion because of the costs it would entail.
The company's former technical manager Hisao Suganuma told autosport.com last year that such a move could lead to a lot of wasted tyres - because a soft tyre that needed to be painted red at one race could be a medium tyre at the following race.
"Taking account of the production of such tyres, we need to think," explained Suganuma. "For example, in Champ Car softer tyres have the red mark on the sidewall.
"Maybe we would have some difficulty because the softer tyre on a circuit may be the harder tyre on another circuit, which means we need to have all the different specifications in double colours - one with a standard sidewall and the other with a coloured sidewall.
"That makes it more difficult. If we need to do that we should think about the best way to do it."[/QUOTE]
-Matt
[QUOTE]Tyre types will be visibly distinguished
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 6th 2007, 20:47 GMT
Formula One will adopt its own version of Champ Car-type 'red tyre' markings this season to make it easier for fans to understand what compounds drivers are using, autosport.com can reveal.
Following an 11th hour decision by the Formula One Commission and the FIA's World Motor Sport Council, a modification to F1's sporting regulations means that the two different tyre compounds must now be visibly different.
This comes after months of discussions between the teams, the FIA and Bridgestone about the situation - and how best to make the most of the regulations that forces drivers to use both hard and soft compounds in races.
Although there was a push to try and help inform the fans of what type of tyres drivers were using by making the different types of rubber look different, the teams initially resisted any move to publicise what they were doing for fear it could benefit the opposition.
As late as January it appeared that all attempts to make teams go public with their plans had failed, and instead, as Autosport revealed at the time, the FIA considered forcing teams to simply state what type of tyres they would start the race with.
However, further discussions in recent weeks have now resulted in a last-minute rule change that requires the two different compounds at races to be 'visibly' different - so the public will know what tyres each driver is using.
Formula One's revised 2007 Sporting Regulations states: "Each tyre supplier must undertake to provide no more than two specifications of dry-weather tyre at each Event, each of which must be of one homogenous compound and visibly distinguishable from one another when a car is on the track." (emphasis added)
Autosport.com understands that discussions are now taking place within Bridgestone to decide exactly what it will do to the tyres to make them appear different. A decision needs to be made soon, however, with the season starting in Australia next weekend.
A Bridgestone spokeswoman confirmed that a simple marking would be used to distinguish the tyres, as opposed to a completely different colour sidewall or tyre, as done in Champ Car.
"There will be a marking on one of the different specification of tyres," she said.
Although it has not been finalised yet, the most likely route that will be taken is for one of the compounds to be marked with a large solid white circle - big enough to ensure that the white colour is visible when the wheel is in motion.
Although it was originally suggested that F1 could follow Champ Car's example and paint the sidewall of the softer tyres red, Bridgestone baulked at that suggestion because of the costs it would entail.
The company's former technical manager Hisao Suganuma told autosport.com last year that such a move could lead to a lot of wasted tyres - because a soft tyre that needed to be painted red at one race could be a medium tyre at the following race.
"Taking account of the production of such tyres, we need to think," explained Suganuma. "For example, in Champ Car softer tyres have the red mark on the sidewall.
"Maybe we would have some difficulty because the softer tyre on a circuit may be the harder tyre on another circuit, which means we need to have all the different specifications in double colours - one with a standard sidewall and the other with a coloured sidewall.
"That makes it more difficult. If we need to do that we should think about the best way to do it."[/QUOTE]
-Matt
| cdvma | 03-08-2007 09:45 AM |
Look up 3 posts?
| Ferg | 03-08-2007 01:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX;17281526][IMG]http://people.ucsc.edu/~surfbum/ttis.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Then take it and yourself elsewhere :rolleyes:
As for the rest, time away from my general post whoring gave me a chance to get the first race thread and BIG preview put together.
[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1217004]2007 Australian GP thread[/URL]
Now I just need a motorsports mod to unlock the sucker :lol:
Then take it and yourself elsewhere :rolleyes:
As for the rest, time away from my general post whoring gave me a chance to get the first race thread and BIG preview put together.
[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1217004]2007 Australian GP thread[/URL]
Now I just need a motorsports mod to unlock the sucker :lol:
| Wr4wrX | 03-08-2007 02:09 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;17287084]Then take it and yourself elsewhere :rolleyes:
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Mmm...I just meant to add to the "this thread is 80% crap" running joke. My apologies if that didn't come across as intended.
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Mmm...I just meant to add to the "this thread is 80% crap" running joke. My apologies if that didn't come across as intended.
| Ferg | 03-08-2007 02:36 PM |
All good then.
IMHO it's that 80% that makes it worthwhile :D
IMHO it's that 80% that makes it worthwhile :D
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 03-08-2007 03:04 PM |
It's all about the whole package I think.
| MattDell | 03-08-2007 04:15 PM |
[QUOTE=cdvma;17285310]Look up 3 posts?[/QUOTE]
Good observation.
Good observation.
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