Thứ Bảy, 29 tháng 10, 2016

Shaved, wire tucked, and custom engine bays? part 7

strong_auto_concepts 05-02-2009 01:08 AM

You really have a serious complex don't you D Money.

It's a one off. I don't have time to go into production. The wiper cowling got left because they were a pain in the ass. Every hole left on the towers and fire wall was left for a reason. Also, I've got <300 into the entire engine bay so far, and I can say that I completed the work myself. Can you say the same D? I wouldn't call yours a shaved engine bay in any way. You've still got a hole for your clutch and brake booster...
semaj 05-02-2009 01:13 AM

Ahem.
CPC 05-02-2009 01:19 AM

[quote=strong_auto_concepts;26575332]
Do I win a prize?[/quote]

You should. That looks fantastic. Don't worry about that other guy. He gets upset when everyone else shows him up.

Chris.
IStoSTI 05-02-2009 03:29 AM

can u go into a little more detail about the process and how youve done this?
TurmultTee 05-02-2009 01:28 PM

[quote=strong_auto_concepts;26575432]it's all infused carbon. No overlays. Exactly how is it less safe than running the steel parts they're replacing???[/quote]
If you dont know its just better not to tell you
DJSuperSoul 05-02-2009 02:33 PM

might be a good idea to take a look at some race cars, once they eliminate structural factory items, they are replaced with better things: tube steel, etc. to box in the horns of the chassis to the strut towers, firewall, etc. I would venture to say that the elimination of the factory steel will yield a car that is less safe, and handles worse than stock. it does look killer though.
strong_auto_concepts 05-02-2009 02:44 PM

[quote=TurmultTee;26578236]If you dont know its just better not to tell you[/quote]

I've got an engineering degree... I think I can handle the truth... The parts aren't structural, and even if they were, the carbon replacements are stiffer than the steel they replaced.

I understand the concept that perhaps the splintering of carbon in an accident could pose a risk to occupants, but there's no chance that those parts could enter the cabin.

Please somebody inform me of a reason I've compromised the safety of the vehicle based on replacing those steel parts with carbon. I'm looking for something based on logic and engineering decisions here...

I would hope that people would make comments based on real information. I realize the car is a departure from the norm.

For IStoSTi

I took fiberglass molds of factory parts. The carbon was layed up using a vacuum bag and standard epoxy resin. The inner fenders were bonded using standard silcon body panel sealer and then fastened with Grade 12.9 button heads.

I welded in plates for all of the holes that were patched in the engine bay and then a skim coat of bondo was used to smooth out rough areas. I didn't post the progress pics, but if you look at my build thread, you will see some "before paint" shots. I think I used pretty standard engine bay shaving techniques. I seam welded most of the engine bay and wheel wells. they're not the prettiest welds around but they're structurally sound.
Young Griffs 05-02-2009 07:38 PM

[quote=strong_auto_concepts;26575492]You really have a serious complex don't you D Money.

It's a one off. I don't have time to go into production. The wiper cowling got left because they were a pain in the ass. Every hole left on the towers and fire wall was left for a reason. Also, I've got <300 into the entire engine bay so far, and I can say that I completed the work myself. Can you say the same D? I wouldn't call yours a shaved engine bay in any way. You've still got a hole for your clutch and brake booster...[/quote]

Can I ask you why there is such negativity in your post? I used words like neat, wild, etc etc all describing your bay. I simply said that doesn't resembled a shaved engine bay. If you didn't understand what I meant, please look at the description in the first post as well as the pictures. Shaved bays would have completely smoothed shock towers, no holes at all, and get rid of those holes you are still using.

As far as the brake booster comment, well I didn't exactly want manual brakes on a street car with over 650whp. I can't imagine i'd be able to get use to that, not to mention, those reverse mount pedal assmeblies stick out way to far and my knees would be bent. Also, what does me doing the body work/paint have to do with anything? Obviously a hot rod builder with over 30 years of bodywork expierence would do a hell of a better job than I would. Do you not agree? That's also why my engine bay is completely shaved while yours is not. BTW, I do love your firewall, you even shaved the heater/ac stuff which is pretty cool IMO.

Anyway, good luck with your car man. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Dimitri
xxscaxx 05-02-2009 07:52 PM

edit.
Young Griffs 05-02-2009 07:54 PM

Nah, just a friends username. Disregard that original post, just my friend doing some **** talking. I editted it with my own words. ;)
Big_M_Slim 05-02-2009 08:09 PM

[quote=Young Griffs;26581023]Nah, just a friends username. Disregard that original post, just my friend doing some **** talking. I editted it with my own words. ;)[/quote]

i like to have people talk for me too. makes me feel BIG.
b00st3d 05-02-2009 08:15 PM

im glad sum1 actually said something to D! no offense d money, but some of your comments in various threads make you seem like a douche! im sure you dont intend on the posts to be that way, it just appears that you think you are better than everyone else! again, im sure you dont mean it that way, it just appears that way to us!

the title of the thread is "shaved, wire tucked, and custom engine bays?" strong_auto_concepts's engine bay is partially shaved, im sure some of the wiring will be tucked and it is deffinitely custom.

quit being such a prima donna! im sure im gonna get flamed in here by the "d money nutriders", but i honestly dont care!
Photoroller 05-02-2009 08:28 PM

[quote=b00st3d;26581215]im glad sum1 actually said something to D! no offense d money, but some of your comments in various threads make you seem like a douche! im sure you dont intend on the posts to be that way, it just appears that you think you are better than everyone else! again, im sure you dont mean it that way, it just appears that way to us!

the title of the thread is "shaved, wire tucked, and custom engine bays?" strong_auto_concepts's engine bay is partially shaved, im sure some of the wiring will be tucked and it is deffinitely custom.

quit being such a prima donna! im sure im gonna get flamed in here by the "d money nutriders", but i honestly dont care![/quote]

Amen. The concrete-haired douche, is well, a douche.
shep21 05-02-2009 08:35 PM

haha, ohh jeez.. although this is VERY entertaining, you girls need to calm down haha.

...the guy cleans up his engine bay and makes his own effin parts out of carbon fiber and he still gets bashed!! :huh: ...only on NASIOC. :lol:

that being said, I think D's bay looks pretty damn nice, and is what I consider to be a truly shaved bay. strong_auto_concepts, went in another direction with his bay, and I think it is equally impressive. and props for doing all the work yourself!! (although there is absolutely nothing wrong with paying a pro.)
Fubar86 05-02-2009 09:17 PM

Less drama more pictures!







Haters suck
strong_auto_concepts 05-02-2009 09:26 PM

I admit I got a little heated when the negative comments get thrown my way. It just blows me away how many keyboard cowboys there are out there. In no way did I want to take away from the quality of work done by the people building D Money's car.

I wondered for days if I should just paint over the carbon... It's not perfect by any means, but in the end it was just too pretty. I saved about 3.5 pounds in the switch from steel to carbon. If the CAD model isn't lying, the overall front end will be just a touch over 100 pounds lighter in the end. The wiring harness will be a combination of mil-spec and deutch HD connectors and will enter the bay from just under steering column.

I apologize for momentarily buying into the internet BS. It got the best of me. For those that want to follow the build, it's under "Project S9" in the Gallery.
IStoSTI 05-02-2009 10:23 PM

i think all this bs should stop cuz u both are going to have sick, different bays.
xxscaxx 05-02-2009 11:19 PM

[quote=IStoSTI;26582175]i think all this bs should stop cuz u both are going to have sick, different bays.[/quote]

i agree:banana:
D Money 05-03-2009 09:55 AM

[quote=Big_M_Slim;26581174]i like to have people talk for me too. makes me feel BIG.[/quote]

That was me typing on my friends user name. I only came on just to check pm's and saw that. BTW, I am "BIG" ;)

[quote=b00st3d;26581215]im glad sum1 actually said something to D! no offense d money, but some of your comments in various threads make you seem like a douche! im sure you dont intend on the posts to be that way, it just appears that you think you are better than everyone else! again, im sure you dont mean it that way, it just appears that way to us!

the title of the thread is "shaved, wire tucked, and custom engine bays?" strong_auto_concepts's engine bay is partially shaved, im sure some of the wiring will be tucked and it is deffinitely custom.

quit being such a prima donna! im sure im gonna get flamed in here by the "d money nutriders", but i honestly dont care![/quote]

I hear ya. :devil:

No offense taken. You can say what you want, I won't hold anything against you.

[quote=Photoroller;26581295]Amen. The concrete-haired douche, is well, a douche.[/quote]

haha oh sounds like you've met me before. BTW, my name is Dimitri in case you forgot. I know you're not good with names. See you around soon!

[quote=strong_auto_concepts;26581708]I admit I got a little heated when the negative comments get thrown my way. It just blows me away how many keyboard cowboys there are out there. In no way did I want to take away from the quality of work done by the people building D Money's car.

I wondered for days if I should just paint over the carbon... It's not perfect by any means, but in the end it was just too pretty. I saved about 3.5 pounds in the switch from steel to carbon. If the CAD model isn't lying, the overall front end will be just a touch over 100 pounds lighter in the end. The wiring harness will be a combination of mil-spec and deutch HD connectors and will enter the bay from just under steering column.

I apologize for momentarily buying into the internet BS. It got the best of me. For those that want to follow the build, it's under "Project S9" in the Gallery.[/quote]

What negative comments got thrown your way? Can I ask? I said the bay looked good, but IMO, it was not a completely shaved bay like the ones posted in this thread, thats all. Never said it wasn't nice or creative....

It was you and these other two awesome characters on Nasioc making personal attacks at me. I mean it's the internet, I get it, and let it slide. In person, I am a little different because then people can't really use their keyboards to react, rather their hands. ;)
D Money 05-03-2009 10:15 AM

anyway, now that's said i'd like to see more people with shaved engine bays! and less of people thinking I am bashing or bashing me...

I started this thread back in 07 for a reason, to get people to understand and start doing them to subarus. It looks like alot of people are attempting this now, which is a good thing! Glad we can take something from the honda and vw's and bring it to the subarus.
g-pimpin 05-03-2009 12:09 PM

[quote=strong_auto_concepts;26581708]I apologize for momentarily buying into the internet BS. It got the best of me. For those that want to follow the build, it's under "Project S9" in the Gallery.[/quote]
Definitely need to check this out. You've done some great work it seems.
xxscaxx 05-03-2009 02:05 PM

dont listen to the haters D. seems like some people are a little butt hurt for no reason.

when is yours going to be done? i'm dying to see it dude :lol:
Calitri-Boost 05-04-2009 06:09 AM

lets see more love
skate enjoi 05-04-2009 01:57 PM

too much talk, not enough pictures
WRX8XB 05-04-2009 04:32 PM

[quote=strong_auto_concepts;26575492]You really have a serious complex don't you D Money.

It's a one off. I don't have time to go into production. The wiper cowling got left because they were a pain in the ass. Every hole left on the towers and fire wall was left for a reason. Also, I've got <300 into the entire engine bay so far, and I can say that I completed the work myself. Can you say the same D? I wouldn't call yours a shaved engine bay in any way. You've still got a hole for your clutch and brake booster...[/quote]

all that work and stock shape wheel wells.... :sadbanana:
living4surf 05-04-2009 04:46 PM

[quote=WRX8XB;26600065]all that work and stock shape wheel wells.... :sadbanana:[/quote]

what shape did you want them to be?
the real suby dude 05-04-2009 04:55 PM

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Do I win a prize?[/quote]



TOUGHH!!!!!:banana:
WRX8XB 05-04-2009 05:05 PM

[quote=living4surf;26600261]what shape did you want them to be?[/quote]

since he had them off, it'd be logical to make them deeper allowing a wider wheel and a lower ride height (assuming he fixes the geometry issues, which I'd assume he would considering his background. :D).

then again sounds like he's got the capabilities to do this for a 2nd time, so maybe round 2 he'll do something similar to what TopSpeed and a few others are doing to allow for wider wheels/tires. :)
Angry Toaster 05-04-2009 05:37 PM

Bingo. Kind of a waste of time and money to make an exact duplicate of the steel wells.
strong_auto_concepts 05-04-2009 05:39 PM

I thought about it, and in fact had tubbed wells all mocked up and decided to scap them. I was concerned that I would compromise the integrity of the shock towers by cutting. I already had the molds done for the stock wells so that's what went on. If was going to do it again I'd certainly be doing a tub, and probably relocated shock mounts/tubular subframe as well. Right now I'm concentrating on getting it running so I can shake down some components.
WRX8XB 05-04-2009 06:06 PM

understandable, any pics of the mocked up tubs? :)
D Money 05-05-2009 01:53 AM

Wait, those shock factory tubs were replaced? I thought they were just vynil or c/f overlay, not replacements. WOW, that is in depth detail.

I also considered tubs, but sometimes they look really tacky if not done right and also as stated, really could affect the structural integrity of the car. I was afraid if I crashed it, the car would just fold up. haha
skate enjoi 05-05-2009 01:43 PM

[quote=D Money;26606872]Wait, those shock factory tubs were replaced? I thought they were just vynil or c/f overlay, not replacements. WOW, that is in depth detail.

I also considered tubs, but sometimes they look really tacky if not done right and also as stated, really could affect the structural integrity of the car. I was afraid if I crashed it, the car would just fold up. haha[/quote]

you would actually have to drive it on the road to worry about crashing it... JOKING ;)
9vapors 05-14-2009 12:17 PM

Forgot about this car... The guy was 90% there and ran out of money...
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IllNastyImpreza 05-14-2009 12:20 PM

^ wow... thats a crazzy manifold

Too bad its purple :rolleyes:
9vapors 05-14-2009 12:23 PM

From Leoimpreza...
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D Money 05-14-2009 01:42 PM

John,

That purple car, was ****ing insane! Wish it finished with the twin turbos. However he just didn't have anything in the bay, he didn't shave any holes or bumps out.

And that yellow car, is now orange with the soccer ball thing. The silver car you posted was the same one in the begining of this thread that I posted, and that car was yellow before the new silver. haha

All those bays are ****ing sick though!
9vapors 05-14-2009 03:47 PM

Yeah, I just thought I would bump this with something... That purple one doesn't have the brake booster though, and the sides look pretty tough... Mine still hasn't been painted, waiting on a few things and having my motor built. Someday it will be done, any new pics or info on yours?
D Money 05-14-2009 07:01 PM

im done posting pics/info about it. People will see it when it's complete.....
9vapors 05-14-2009 10:42 PM

Uh, ok... People biting your ideas and copying you? I know the feeling...
D Money 05-15-2009 09:22 AM

No, not saying that. Just don't want to ruin the surprises as if I already didn't do that.
xxscaxx 05-15-2009 08:26 PM

cant wait to see your **** d
WRX8XB 05-16-2009 10:21 AM

[quote=xxscaxx;26743888]cant wait to see your **** d[/quote]

what do you want to see? :lol: gross.
D Money 05-17-2009 03:14 PM

You wanna see my bird? :lol:
xxscaxx 05-17-2009 07:24 PM

ha-ha. s!!t, is that better? his car being finished you fudgepackers :lol:
hyperspeedy 05-18-2009 04:25 PM

wow that is clean
tino 10-04-2009 08:18 AM

Well heres my feabile attempt thus far..

All engine loom has been pushed through the cabin then through the passenger front fender. Braille battery is also located there as well as the fuse box. The loom going to the ABS and lights has also been moved so there not visible.

For the holes Ive glued in an aluminium pieces to fill the holes then filled over them. The smaller holes ive just filled over. Theres a bit of filler there but it will all get sanded down so theres not much there. I didnt touch the strut towers as people say that this may be prone to cracking. I think the other areas should be fine??

ABS im wanting to relocate also to the fender, but im not sure about it yet.

I will be sanding it sometime this week then painting it..

[URL=http://img12.imageshack.us/i/enginebayfiller.jpg/][IMG]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7904/enginebayfiller.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
bigolrig 10-04-2009 10:11 AM

^^ that much filler seems like it will crack the first bump you hit or the first time you drop a wrench on it
D Money 10-04-2009 02:50 PM

I agree. Tino I dont think that method is going to work bro. It seems you filled in all those ridges on the sides of the wheel wells with just bondo, instead of welding in plates.
Pierrot 10-04-2009 03:03 PM

some come out ok but others get out of hand


function>fashion
450 slug 10-04-2009 03:15 PM

smooth
ya i did bodywork for a couple years and you atleast need to weld up all the seams and weld holes shut to have a chance of that not cracking apart, also you can use 3m panel adhesive as body filler which is more flexible and wont crack as easily as body filler
tino 10-04-2009 03:19 PM

I have put it on fairly thick but will sand alot of it down so there shouldn't be that much there. I just wanted a fair bit of material to start with.

Or do you still think it will crack??? Especially near the bottom of the chasis rail? If so I'll sand it completely back then.
leoimpreza 10-04-2009 03:30 PM

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Smoke 10-04-2009 04:42 PM

Idea if no has mentioned yet:

Wrap the engine bay with carbon wrap?

Sorry if someone mentioned it (:rolleyes:)
KillerRabbit 10-04-2009 04:51 PM

Go back a page or two....
tino 10-05-2009 09:41 AM

[quote=450 slug;28356681]ya i did bodywork for a couple years and you atleast need to weld up all the seams and weld holes shut to have a chance of that not cracking apart, also you can use 3m panel adhesive as body filler which is more flexible and wont crack as easily as body filler[/quote]

All of done to fill the holes is to glue in an aluminum peice behind or infront of the panel. Then i have bogged over them. Im starting to get worried now that a few people have said that this process may lead them to crack. I might just sand it completely smooth and not worry about filling those holes to prevent this occuring..
450 slug 10-05-2009 03:09 PM

smmoooth
there is no (may crack) it will for sure, sand it down now before you waste ur time and money on paint
tino 10-05-2009 06:28 PM

[quote=450 slug;28367851]there is no (may crack) it will for sure, sand it down now before you waste ur time and money on paint[/quote]

Yeah I'm going to sand it all pretty much back to mtal. I will keep some small places with filler though but no where to the extreme it is right now.

Would there be much movement in the side panels though? As I would like to keep those holes flushed over still
AWDshenanigans 10-05-2009 08:40 PM

[quote=9vapors;26725355]From Leoimpreza...
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wth is that giant bulge in the first pic??
rockle3 10-05-2009 08:52 PM

i think its a water to air intercooler

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