| ArtGecko | 10-08-2007 11:17 PM |
[edit] nevermind - wrong thread...
| richde | 10-09-2007 01:31 AM |
[quote=bemani;19629084]:lol:
You really need to stop listening to Martin Brundle...[/quote]
It's not by choice, but it's fun listening to him backpedal. He's a typical Brit announcer, always good for a laugh hearing him praise Button only to see him getting passed on the track moments later.
ITV was just the first and most seeded torrent available.
You really need to stop listening to Martin Brundle...[/quote]
It's not by choice, but it's fun listening to him backpedal. He's a typical Brit announcer, always good for a laugh hearing him praise Button only to see him getting passed on the track moments later.
ITV was just the first and most seeded torrent available.
| ptclaus98 | 10-09-2007 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19629888]Hes still horrible compared to the Speed guys.[/QUOTE]
Very true. But he seems to be the only one not on Hamilton's dick.
Very true. But he seems to be the only one not on Hamilton's dick.
| StuBeck | 10-09-2007 01:12 PM |
I've only seen one race with him, so I can't really comment on it, but you know that if Scott Speed was leading the WDC right now the Speed guys would be doing the same thing the brits are.
| StuBeck | 10-09-2007 03:18 PM |
[quote=Autosport]Prodrive-McLaren negotiations collapse
By Jonathan Noble and Biranit Goren Tuesday, October 9th 2007, 16:51 GMT
Prodrive's negotiations with McLaren-Mercedes for a partnership in next year's Formula One World Championship have collapsed, autosport.com has learned.
Prodrive have been pursuing a deal with the Woking-based outfit for a supply of customer cars, and just a few weeks ago Prodrive boss David Richards said the only hurdle left to overcome in the negotiations is the new Concorde Agreement.
However, sources have told autosport.com that McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh notified his staff yesterday that the team are no longer pressing ahead with their plans for a partnership with Prodrive.
Neither McLaren nor Prodrive would comment on the matter.
It is not clear yet why the negotiations fell through. Nevertheless, it comes just days after the FIA announced Prodrive will face a Court of Appeal hearing later this month over their entry, following legal questions from rivals Williams.
McLaren boss Ron Dennis said at last weekend's Chinese Grand Prix that the team had not signed a deal with Prodrive, and could not do so without complete clarity over their entry.
"We have not entered into any contract with any team at this moment of time," he said. "If a team wishes to enter the 2008 World Championship and that team does not have complete clarity as to whether it is or is not permitted to enter then it is a matter for that team and certainly not for McLaren."
As recently as the Belgian Grand Prix, Richards revealed that a deal for car and engines had been agreed - although he never named McLaren specifically.
"We are there, but there are lots of issues surrounding the validity of the Concorde Agreement," Richards told autosport.com about the progress with his team.
"It is those sorts of things that leave question marks at the moment, and they need to be resolved. Every other aspect of it is cleared up."
Despite Whitmarsh's statement, Prodrive sources insist that they have not yet completely given up on reviving the McLaren deal.
Should that not be possible, however, then Prodrive may still have opportunities elsewhere - with Renault having been favourites for a supply deal at one point.
In an interview with the Times newspaper in August, Richards said that McLaren were one of three teams that Prodrive were speaking to at the time.[/quote]
Hopefully they sign up with someone else for next year. Minardi in 01 and Super Aguri last year showed what someone can do when they have very little time, but its obviously not a good situation.
By Jonathan Noble and Biranit Goren Tuesday, October 9th 2007, 16:51 GMT
Prodrive's negotiations with McLaren-Mercedes for a partnership in next year's Formula One World Championship have collapsed, autosport.com has learned.
Prodrive have been pursuing a deal with the Woking-based outfit for a supply of customer cars, and just a few weeks ago Prodrive boss David Richards said the only hurdle left to overcome in the negotiations is the new Concorde Agreement.
However, sources have told autosport.com that McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh notified his staff yesterday that the team are no longer pressing ahead with their plans for a partnership with Prodrive.
Neither McLaren nor Prodrive would comment on the matter.
It is not clear yet why the negotiations fell through. Nevertheless, it comes just days after the FIA announced Prodrive will face a Court of Appeal hearing later this month over their entry, following legal questions from rivals Williams.
McLaren boss Ron Dennis said at last weekend's Chinese Grand Prix that the team had not signed a deal with Prodrive, and could not do so without complete clarity over their entry.
"We have not entered into any contract with any team at this moment of time," he said. "If a team wishes to enter the 2008 World Championship and that team does not have complete clarity as to whether it is or is not permitted to enter then it is a matter for that team and certainly not for McLaren."
As recently as the Belgian Grand Prix, Richards revealed that a deal for car and engines had been agreed - although he never named McLaren specifically.
"We are there, but there are lots of issues surrounding the validity of the Concorde Agreement," Richards told autosport.com about the progress with his team.
"It is those sorts of things that leave question marks at the moment, and they need to be resolved. Every other aspect of it is cleared up."
Despite Whitmarsh's statement, Prodrive sources insist that they have not yet completely given up on reviving the McLaren deal.
Should that not be possible, however, then Prodrive may still have opportunities elsewhere - with Renault having been favourites for a supply deal at one point.
In an interview with the Times newspaper in August, Richards said that McLaren were one of three teams that Prodrive were speaking to at the time.[/quote]
Hopefully they sign up with someone else for next year. Minardi in 01 and Super Aguri last year showed what someone can do when they have very little time, but its obviously not a good situation.
| rupertberr | 10-09-2007 06:03 PM |
A racer friend of mine sent me this on board video today from the Japanese GP a couple of weeks ago week. I think I would have remembered seeing this! Wow:
[url]http://vimeo.com/325662[/url]
[url]http://vimeo.com/325662[/url]
| artkevin | 10-09-2007 06:29 PM |
Thats awesome! Since when have the onboards been widescreen?
I think the gravel traps should be more abrasive. Seems kind of odd that you can gain an advantage by leaving the road. There should be a natural consequence to going off track, not race ending but not helpful either.
I think the gravel traps should be more abrasive. Seems kind of odd that you can gain an advantage by leaving the road. There should be a natural consequence to going off track, not race ending but not helpful either.
| rupertberr | 10-09-2007 06:40 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19642208]Thats awesome! Since when have the onboards been widescreen?
I think the gravel traps should be more abrasive. Seems kind of odd that you can gain an advantage by leaving the road. There should be a natural consequence to going off track, not race ending but not helpful either.[/QUOTE]
My friend is in Europe. He didn't post it but he saw it. It says Premiere Live in the top left corner. Maybe this is extra coverage you can get in Europe?
So if I counted right 9 passes and 4 off course excursions between the two of them in about a minute twenty. Brilliant!
I don't know, I liked seeing them survive after each corner.:D
I think the gravel traps should be more abrasive. Seems kind of odd that you can gain an advantage by leaving the road. There should be a natural consequence to going off track, not race ending but not helpful either.[/QUOTE]
My friend is in Europe. He didn't post it but he saw it. It says Premiere Live in the top left corner. Maybe this is extra coverage you can get in Europe?
So if I counted right 9 passes and 4 off course excursions between the two of them in about a minute twenty. Brilliant!
I don't know, I liked seeing them survive after each corner.:D
| StuBeck | 10-09-2007 10:45 PM |
All of the races are shown in widescreen here. I'm going to a pub for Brazil to watch the race so I'll hopefully be able to see if they're in HD or not.
| KAX | 10-10-2007 12:13 AM |
it was HD when it was on Fox, so im assuming itll be HD there. They have the cameras for it, just all depends on the channel itself.
| artkevin | 10-10-2007 12:19 AM |
[QUOTE=rupertberr;19642328]
I don't know, I liked seeing them survive after each corner.:D[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I loved it too. I just don't think you should gain by cutting corners. If the traps were less smoothly paved (not enough to damage the cars but enough to slow them down) I think it would keep people from just flooring it and hoping for the best.
Awesome action though.
I don't know, I liked seeing them survive after each corner.:D[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong, I loved it too. I just don't think you should gain by cutting corners. If the traps were less smoothly paved (not enough to damage the cars but enough to slow them down) I think it would keep people from just flooring it and hoping for the best.
Awesome action though.
| StuBeck | 10-10-2007 05:11 AM |
[QUOTE=KAX;19645739]it was HD when it was on Fox, so im assuming itll be HD there. They have the cameras for it, just all depends on the channel itself.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't true HD, it was widescreen 480P which was upconverted to 720P I believe. HD is 720P or 1080i/p. It did look a lot better than the normal Speed broadcast though.
That wasn't true HD, it was widescreen 480P which was upconverted to 720P I believe. HD is 720P or 1080i/p. It did look a lot better than the normal Speed broadcast though.
| chkltcow | 10-10-2007 06:54 AM |
Rumor has it Speed HD is coming in February... just before the Daytona 500. We'll have to see which cable providers pick it up, though :( The only provider I know of that will carry it is DirecTV at this point.
| StuBeck | 10-10-2007 08:57 AM |
Even if they didn't show it in HD, but just showed the 16:9 version in normal SD it would be better because you'd get the entire image.
| KAX | 10-10-2007 09:19 AM |
yeh, as of right now on DirecTV will get speed HD. itll probably be awhile before a cable company gets it
| Snowphun | 10-11-2007 03:35 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19647185]Rumor has it Speed HD is coming in February... just before the Daytona 500. We'll have to see which cable providers pick it up, though :( The only provider I know of that will carry it is DirecTV at this point.[/QUOTE]
We also don't know if Speed will pay for the HD F1 broadcast, which Bernie will certainly want more money for. Proper HD F1 broadcasts have been available for a few years, there were some still photo's comparing the resolution differences and it's massive.
We also don't know if Speed will pay for the HD F1 broadcast, which Bernie will certainly want more money for. Proper HD F1 broadcasts have been available for a few years, there were some still photo's comparing the resolution differences and it's massive.
| TimStevens | 10-11-2007 03:36 PM |
Alonso back to Renault next year ... somehow ...
[url]http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071011094058.shtml[/url]
[quote]Fernando Alonso has signed a letter of intent to rejoin Renault starting next January (2008), according to emerging reports.
Germany's Bild newspaper said the document is the precursor to a definitive three-year contract (2008-2010), but only if the reigning world champion can successfully negotiate an end to his current McLaren deal.
Alonso is currently under contract to McLaren also for 2008, with an option to continue in 2009.
The news of Alonso's likely return to Renault follows reports that Toyota was offering the Spaniard a record retainer to switch to the Japanese car giant for 2008.
The German magazine Sport Bild said the Cologne based team was prepared to fork out (US) $150 million for a three year deal; a comparable amount of money to that earned by Michael Schumacher at Ferrari towards the end of his illustrious career.[/quote]
[url]http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/071011094058.shtml[/url]
[quote]Fernando Alonso has signed a letter of intent to rejoin Renault starting next January (2008), according to emerging reports.
Germany's Bild newspaper said the document is the precursor to a definitive three-year contract (2008-2010), but only if the reigning world champion can successfully negotiate an end to his current McLaren deal.
Alonso is currently under contract to McLaren also for 2008, with an option to continue in 2009.
The news of Alonso's likely return to Renault follows reports that Toyota was offering the Spaniard a record retainer to switch to the Japanese car giant for 2008.
The German magazine Sport Bild said the Cologne based team was prepared to fork out (US) $150 million for a three year deal; a comparable amount of money to that earned by Michael Schumacher at Ferrari towards the end of his illustrious career.[/quote]
| cdvma | 10-11-2007 05:04 PM |
Toyota trying to throw good money after bad still? No shock there.
| KAX | 10-11-2007 06:05 PM |
wow. this should be an extremely silly season, this year
| vlady | 10-11-2007 07:30 PM |
Interesting about Alonso wanting to return to Renault. I really hope Renault can sort out their issues. Their car has been piss poor in terms of performance and handling all year. I wonder who they'll boot? Fisci or Kovalainen?
| TimStevens | 10-11-2007 07:32 PM |
That seems like it'd be a fairly easy decision, but I'm guessing they'll boot whoever Alonso doesn't want to sit next to in the garage :)
| RollingRex | 10-11-2007 07:32 PM |
Most likely Fisci, I would not be surprised if he ends up in Toyota next year.
| Draken | 10-11-2007 08:01 PM |
It doesn't get mentioned much, but I'm curious as to Alonso's ability as a tester. Perhaps he really is a great tester, great at working with engineers, dialing in the setup etc. Funny how Renault is at the top of the field until he leaves, then McClaren gets an immediate spike with him there. I wonder if Renault's 2007 performance has been hampered by poor testing/setup from its drivers.
And btw, I'm not an Alonso fanboi. Far from it. But I would bet money that Renault is much more competitive in '08 should they sign him, simply because he can bring some real testing talent to the team.
Chris H.
And btw, I'm not an Alonso fanboi. Far from it. But I would bet money that Renault is much more competitive in '08 should they sign him, simply because he can bring some real testing talent to the team.
Chris H.
| TimStevens | 10-11-2007 08:03 PM |
I think he'd help to motivate the team ... or could. On the other hand the mechanics and designers there might still feel a bit shafted by him deciding to jump ship and run to McLaren ... I guess we'll find out.
| StuBeck | 10-11-2007 09:54 PM |
Renault has said earlier part of their slowness this year was developing the car too late in the year for the Michelins, and they got hurt having to switch over.
I think the team knows exactly why he switched over, Renault hadn't confirmed anything about being in after this year and he didn't want to be stuck without a good drive.
And I also don't see how anyone would think you would be a fanboy Drakken just because you said something good about a driver :lol:
I think the team knows exactly why he switched over, Renault hadn't confirmed anything about being in after this year and he didn't want to be stuck without a good drive.
And I also don't see how anyone would think you would be a fanboy Drakken just because you said something good about a driver :lol:
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-12-2007 01:35 AM |
FIA official to ensure McLaren equality
An FIA official will oversee McLaren's treatment of both their drivers during the Brazilian Grand Prix, to ensure there is complete equality between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
With McLaren already having issued a statement to make it clear that both Alonso and Hamilton will have equal chances of winning the title, the FIA is to ensure such a state of affairs by using a separate scrutineer for the Woking-based team at the Interlagos event.
The news was revealed by the head of the Spanish motorsport federation Carlos Gracia, who will also be attending the event on a personal invitation from McLaren boss Ron Dennis.
"Yes, it's true that the FIA will have a steward making sure that nothing wrong happens to Fernando, especially in qualifying, which is where there have been more complaints or strange situations in the last few Grands Prix," said Garcia in an interview with Spanish newspaper AS.
"On October 3 I had a meeting with Max Mosley where I showed my concern over the situation that Fernando is going through, which is no secret, and he reassured me."
Alonso was furious after qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix when he could not understand why he had lost time to teammate Hamilton. This prompted his outspoken criticisms of the team to the Spanish media, and led to speculation that his tyre pressures had been set at an incorrect level.
Garcia has said he has no doubts that McLaren will treat Alonso and Hamilton equally, as he played down claims that he was also only going to check on fair play.
"There are two Spanish drivers at McLaren and it makes sense for the federation to be there," he said. "Honestly I think the treatment in this final race of the season will be the same, and that there will be equality for both drivers.
"It couldn't be any other way because it's what common sense calls for, as there is a Ferrari driver behind and the British team have to fight against the red cars, not against their drivers. Fernando must be calm."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has always insisted that Alonso and Hamilton have had equal chances this season, despite suggestions from Alonso that that has not always been the case.
In a statement issued by McLaren on Wednesday, Dennis said: "This has been a tremendous season to which the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team and our drivers have, I believe, contributed a great deal.
"This contribution has been enhanced by allowing Fernando and Lewis to race each other with complete equality. This will, of course, continue in Brazil where the entire team will be doing its absolute best to win the drivers' world championship."
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63202[/url]
[B]I wonder what the news stories would be if it were Massa and Riakonen battling?[/B]
An FIA official will oversee McLaren's treatment of both their drivers during the Brazilian Grand Prix, to ensure there is complete equality between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
With McLaren already having issued a statement to make it clear that both Alonso and Hamilton will have equal chances of winning the title, the FIA is to ensure such a state of affairs by using a separate scrutineer for the Woking-based team at the Interlagos event.
The news was revealed by the head of the Spanish motorsport federation Carlos Gracia, who will also be attending the event on a personal invitation from McLaren boss Ron Dennis.
"Yes, it's true that the FIA will have a steward making sure that nothing wrong happens to Fernando, especially in qualifying, which is where there have been more complaints or strange situations in the last few Grands Prix," said Garcia in an interview with Spanish newspaper AS.
"On October 3 I had a meeting with Max Mosley where I showed my concern over the situation that Fernando is going through, which is no secret, and he reassured me."
Alonso was furious after qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix when he could not understand why he had lost time to teammate Hamilton. This prompted his outspoken criticisms of the team to the Spanish media, and led to speculation that his tyre pressures had been set at an incorrect level.
Garcia has said he has no doubts that McLaren will treat Alonso and Hamilton equally, as he played down claims that he was also only going to check on fair play.
"There are two Spanish drivers at McLaren and it makes sense for the federation to be there," he said. "Honestly I think the treatment in this final race of the season will be the same, and that there will be equality for both drivers.
"It couldn't be any other way because it's what common sense calls for, as there is a Ferrari driver behind and the British team have to fight against the red cars, not against their drivers. Fernando must be calm."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has always insisted that Alonso and Hamilton have had equal chances this season, despite suggestions from Alonso that that has not always been the case.
In a statement issued by McLaren on Wednesday, Dennis said: "This has been a tremendous season to which the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team and our drivers have, I believe, contributed a great deal.
"This contribution has been enhanced by allowing Fernando and Lewis to race each other with complete equality. This will, of course, continue in Brazil where the entire team will be doing its absolute best to win the drivers' world championship."
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63202[/url]
[B]I wonder what the news stories would be if it were Massa and Riakonen battling?[/B]
| StuBeck | 10-12-2007 05:55 AM |
That is the most retarded thing I have ever read.
| chkltcow | 10-12-2007 07:01 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19673779]That is the most retarded thing I have ever read.[/QUOTE]
I still think Max (repeatedly) calling Jackie Stewart a "certified half-wit" is perhaps more retarded.
I still think Max (repeatedly) calling Jackie Stewart a "certified half-wit" is perhaps more retarded.
| Gil | 10-12-2007 07:45 AM |
was ferrari ever scutinized or reprimanded a few years ago (austria 2002??) when barrichello just about stood on the brakes after the last turn to let schumacher pass and take the win?
| StuBeck | 10-12-2007 08:19 AM |
They were fined 1 mil for the podium shenanigans, and the team orders rule was introduced, but they weren't reprimanded for it.
| Gil | 10-12-2007 09:00 AM |
hey bitch, you're supposed to be in class!
| JoD | 10-12-2007 12:45 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19672875]FIA official to ensure McLaren equality
An FIA official will oversee McLaren's treatment of both their drivers during the Brazilian Grand Prix, to ensure there is complete equality between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
With McLaren already having issued a statement to make it clear that both Alonso and Hamilton will have equal chances of winning the title, the FIA is to ensure such a state of affairs by using a separate scrutineer for the Woking-based team at the Interlagos event.
The news was revealed by the head of the Spanish motorsport federation Carlos Gracia, who will also be attending the event on a personal invitation from McLaren boss Ron Dennis.
"Yes, it's true that the FIA will have a steward making sure that nothing wrong happens to Fernando, especially in qualifying, which is where there have been more complaints or strange situations in the last few Grands Prix," said Garcia in an interview with Spanish newspaper AS.
"On October 3 I had a meeting with Max Mosley where I showed my concern over the situation that Fernando is going through, which is no secret, and he reassured me."
Alonso was furious after qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix when he could not understand why he had lost time to teammate Hamilton. This prompted his outspoken criticisms of the team to the Spanish media, and led to speculation that his tyre pressures had been set at an incorrect level.
Garcia has said he has no doubts that McLaren will treat Alonso and Hamilton equally, as he played down claims that he was also only going to check on fair play.
"There are two Spanish drivers at McLaren and it makes sense for the federation to be there," he said. "Honestly I think the treatment in this final race of the season will be the same, and that there will be equality for both drivers.
"It couldn't be any other way because it's what common sense calls for, as there is a Ferrari driver behind and the British team have to fight against the red cars, not against their drivers. Fernando must be calm."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has always insisted that Alonso and Hamilton have had equal chances this season, despite suggestions from Alonso that that has not always been the case.
In a statement issued by McLaren on Wednesday, Dennis said: "This has been a tremendous season to which the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team and our drivers have, I believe, contributed a great deal.
"This contribution has been enhanced by allowing Fernando and Lewis to race each other with complete equality. This will, of course, continue in Brazil where the entire team will be doing its absolute best to win the drivers' world championship."
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63202[/url]
[B]I wonder what the news stories would be if it were Massa and Riakonen battling?[/B][/QUOTE]
Okay, everyone knows I can't stand Alonso. But if he is the one who brought this to Garcia, who brought it to the FIA, he is even more of a whiney b***h than I thought he was.
Man - as much as I love Kimi - I don't think anyone deserves to win this championship more than Lewis. I'd be happy with either him or Kimi taking the WDC this year. If it is Alonso - I'm going to be pissed.
An FIA official will oversee McLaren's treatment of both their drivers during the Brazilian Grand Prix, to ensure there is complete equality between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
With McLaren already having issued a statement to make it clear that both Alonso and Hamilton will have equal chances of winning the title, the FIA is to ensure such a state of affairs by using a separate scrutineer for the Woking-based team at the Interlagos event.
The news was revealed by the head of the Spanish motorsport federation Carlos Gracia, who will also be attending the event on a personal invitation from McLaren boss Ron Dennis.
"Yes, it's true that the FIA will have a steward making sure that nothing wrong happens to Fernando, especially in qualifying, which is where there have been more complaints or strange situations in the last few Grands Prix," said Garcia in an interview with Spanish newspaper AS.
"On October 3 I had a meeting with Max Mosley where I showed my concern over the situation that Fernando is going through, which is no secret, and he reassured me."
Alonso was furious after qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix when he could not understand why he had lost time to teammate Hamilton. This prompted his outspoken criticisms of the team to the Spanish media, and led to speculation that his tyre pressures had been set at an incorrect level.
Garcia has said he has no doubts that McLaren will treat Alonso and Hamilton equally, as he played down claims that he was also only going to check on fair play.
"There are two Spanish drivers at McLaren and it makes sense for the federation to be there," he said. "Honestly I think the treatment in this final race of the season will be the same, and that there will be equality for both drivers.
"It couldn't be any other way because it's what common sense calls for, as there is a Ferrari driver behind and the British team have to fight against the red cars, not against their drivers. Fernando must be calm."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has always insisted that Alonso and Hamilton have had equal chances this season, despite suggestions from Alonso that that has not always been the case.
In a statement issued by McLaren on Wednesday, Dennis said: "This has been a tremendous season to which the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team and our drivers have, I believe, contributed a great deal.
"This contribution has been enhanced by allowing Fernando and Lewis to race each other with complete equality. This will, of course, continue in Brazil where the entire team will be doing its absolute best to win the drivers' world championship."
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63202[/url]
[B]I wonder what the news stories would be if it were Massa and Riakonen battling?[/B][/QUOTE]
Okay, everyone knows I can't stand Alonso. But if he is the one who brought this to Garcia, who brought it to the FIA, he is even more of a whiney b***h than I thought he was.
Man - as much as I love Kimi - I don't think anyone deserves to win this championship more than Lewis. I'd be happy with either him or Kimi taking the WDC this year. If it is Alonso - I'm going to be pissed.
| chkltcow | 10-12-2007 12:52 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD;19676980]Okay, everyone knows I can't stand Alonso. But if he is the one who brought this to Garcia, who brought it to the FIA, he is even more of a whiney b***h than I thought he was.
Man - as much as I love Kimi - I don't think anyone deserves to win this championship more than Lewis. I'd be happy with either him or Kimi taking the WDC this year. If it is Alonso - I'm going to be pissed.[/QUOTE]
In my mind, Lewis is the lesser of the three evils. Alonso is a dickbag, and as much as I'm growing to like Kimi... Ferrari has already had the WCC handed to them this year... so I'd hate to see them win the WDC too.
In actuality, there's only one person this year TRULY deserving of the WDC... [b]Markus Winkelhock[/b]!!
Man - as much as I love Kimi - I don't think anyone deserves to win this championship more than Lewis. I'd be happy with either him or Kimi taking the WDC this year. If it is Alonso - I'm going to be pissed.[/QUOTE]
In my mind, Lewis is the lesser of the three evils. Alonso is a dickbag, and as much as I'm growing to like Kimi... Ferrari has already had the WCC handed to them this year... so I'd hate to see them win the WDC too.
In actuality, there's only one person this year TRULY deserving of the WDC... [b]Markus Winkelhock[/b]!!
| JoD | 10-12-2007 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19677077]In my mind, Lewis is the lesser of the three evils. Alonso is a dickbag, and as much as I'm growing to like Kimi... Ferrari has already had the WCC handed to them this year... so I'd hate to see them win the WDC too.
In actuality, there's only one person this year TRULY deserving of the WDC... [b]Markus Winkelhock[/b]!![/QUOTE]
A long time ago I expressed my love for Mr. Winkelhock based solely on his name....
I should have made a shirt. :lol:
In actuality, there's only one person this year TRULY deserving of the WDC... [b]Markus Winkelhock[/b]!![/QUOTE]
A long time ago I expressed my love for Mr. Winkelhock based solely on his name....
I should have made a shirt. :lol:
| chkltcow | 10-12-2007 01:10 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD;19677092]A long time ago I expressed my love for Mr. Winkelhock based solely on his name....
I should have made a shirt. :lol:[/QUOTE]
He went from last place to first in his opening race, and due to the red flag... he's the only driver to ever start a race in last place and in first place in the same race!
If that's not WDC credentials then by god, I don't know what is! ;)
I should have made a shirt. :lol:[/QUOTE]
He went from last place to first in his opening race, and due to the red flag... he's the only driver to ever start a race in last place and in first place in the same race!
If that's not WDC credentials then by god, I don't know what is! ;)
| dssmk | 10-12-2007 08:16 PM |
It sucks that Ferrari will get the WCC this way. I'm a Ferrari fan and I don't consider it a win at all. I [b]do[/b] hope that Kimi takes his long overdue first WDC. (even though it's a looong shot...:( )
| StuBeck | 10-13-2007 07:50 AM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19673876]I still think Max (repeatedly) calling Jackie Stewart a "certified half-wit" is perhaps more retarded.[/QUOTE]
Its dumb, but just saying "I don't agree with him" in a very strong tone. Putting a guy in someones pit for something they are not forced to do at all is beyond dumb. McLaren should bitch next time a low rung team like Spyker only has one of their new cars ready for a driver, or even when a top team like Ferrari only has one (Brazil 01, Schumi had F2002, Rubens had F-2001) because that is obviously hurting the championship more.
Its dumb, but just saying "I don't agree with him" in a very strong tone. Putting a guy in someones pit for something they are not forced to do at all is beyond dumb. McLaren should bitch next time a low rung team like Spyker only has one of their new cars ready for a driver, or even when a top team like Ferrari only has one (Brazil 01, Schumi had F2002, Rubens had F-2001) because that is obviously hurting the championship more.
| artkevin | 10-13-2007 09:26 AM |
I don't think McLaren has any obligation at all to run Alonso. Can't they just put in PDLR and call it a day? To [I]require [/I]them to provide an equal cart just seems silly.
It seems likely that McLaren wants to win the WDC either way, why would they gift it Ferrari if Lewis has a problem?
Just silly...
It seems likely that McLaren wants to win the WDC either way, why would they gift it Ferrari if Lewis has a problem?
Just silly...
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-13-2007 05:53 PM |
With the way Alonso has treated his team I imagine it's going to be hard giving him equal treatment. Where was the FIa when Ferrari had Rubens pull back to give M.S. the win in Indy? That didn't cost them any points. Now they are brandishing points penalties like a new pair of socks.
Shame on the FIA for holding Mclaren to a higher standard.
Shame on the FIA for holding Mclaren to a higher standard.
| KAX | 10-13-2007 06:16 PM |
um, ruben didnt pull back to give michael the win at indy. michael almost stuffed them both by just taking it.
either way, its gone way past reasonable. All this intervention is getting ridiculous.
either way, its gone way past reasonable. All this intervention is getting ridiculous.
| Impreza88 | 10-13-2007 07:09 PM |
Im going for Kimi all the way...Im a Mclaren fan through and through and esp. for Alonso, but I would gladly see them take each other out and let Kimi finally get his championship.
| artkevin | 10-13-2007 07:29 PM |
I am hoping for a straight fight with the best driver on Sunday taking the whole thing. No take outs, no wrecks, no failures...Just b***s to the wall driving.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-13-2007 07:35 PM |
Anyone hoping for carnage need look at their own sportsmanship imo.
I agree with artkevin.
Unfortunately, a lot rests with Lewis, will he faulter or not, etc.
If only it were a three point gap.
I agree with artkevin.
Unfortunately, a lot rests with Lewis, will he faulter or not, etc.
If only it were a three point gap.
| Impreza88 | 10-13-2007 08:01 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19689091]Unfortunately, a lot rests with Lewis, will he faulter or not, etc.
If only it were a three point gap.[/QUOTE]
and I hope he faulters bad.
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19689091]Anyone hoping for carnage need look at their own sportsmanship imo.[/QUOTE]
and im not asking for "carnage" im asking for a prost/senna type encounter, something just enough to end both their races.
If only it were a three point gap.[/QUOTE]
and I hope he faulters bad.
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19689091]Anyone hoping for carnage need look at their own sportsmanship imo.[/QUOTE]
and im not asking for "carnage" im asking for a prost/senna type encounter, something just enough to end both their races.
| StuBeck | 10-13-2007 09:04 PM |
Isn't that basically carnage? Anyways, Lewis wasn't screwed by the FIA like Senna was the previous year, so there is no reason anyone should do anything. Its also not the second to last race of the season either.
| Impreza88 | 10-13-2007 09:38 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19689736]Isn't that basically carnage? Anyways, Lewis wasn't screwed by the FIA like Senna was the previous year, so there is no reason anyone should do anything. Its also not the second to last race of the season either.[/QUOTE]
Yes but Alonso was screwed by the FIA, if the stewards had not interfered he would be 8 pts ahead.
The stewards have no place interfering and judging a teams pit strategies, and they let Hamiltion off free when he was driving like a fool behind the safetry car at Fuji. If he wasnt at fault the stewards would not have lifted Vettel's penalty like they did.
Yes but Alonso was screwed by the FIA, if the stewards had not interfered he would be 8 pts ahead.
The stewards have no place interfering and judging a teams pit strategies, and they let Hamiltion off free when he was driving like a fool behind the safetry car at Fuji. If he wasnt at fault the stewards would not have lifted Vettel's penalty like they did.
| KAX | 10-13-2007 09:52 PM |
i just hope something happens to let kimi win the championship. i dont care if lewis crashes, beaches the car again, stalls in the pit, or has a failure of some sort. If that happens, Kimi should take it. As long as Massa doesnt spoil everything thinking he needs to win his home GP.
[QUOTE]Massa sets sight on Brazil victory
By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 12th 2007, 11:20 GMT
Felipe Massa says he is heading to his home Grand Prix in Brazil next weekend with his sights firmly set on victory - even though teammate Kimi Raikkonen is still battling for the world championship.
The Ferrari driver thinks it would be wrong for him to approach the weekend thinking only of supporting Raikkonen's title situation - and he believes the Finn's hopes will be best served if the pair dominate from the front.
Writing on his official blog, Massa said that he was determined to end the season on a high, despite having dropped out of the title chase.
"If you look at all the elements of my season, the pace I showed, the results I obtained, the wins, then the overall outcome was a positive one, even without the title," said Massa.
"Now, I say to myself let's try and finish the championship in a fantastic way.
"The fact I will not be fighting for the title does not really change anything for me about my home race. It is a very important race for me on a personal level and we need to do the best we can to win, as I do in every race.
"But this is my home race and the final one of the year which adds something to it. Once the season has come to an end, it will be time to focus already on next year and to concentrate on starting and finishing the 2008 championship at the right level.
"At Interlagos, I will be trying to win the race. For sure, Kimi still has a chance of winning the championship, even if it is a small one and it will be difficult.
"My personal target is victory, but if we see any possibility of helping the team to win the driver's title, then of course I will be doing what I can.
"But this is not the way to approach the race weekend. The best way to approach it is to do what I have done at every race which is to think in terms of winning the race. If the miracle happens and maybe both McLarens are nowhere, then me and Kimi could finish first and second respectively and still give Ferrari the result it wants.
"There are so many possible permutations of what could happen that it is not worth thinking about all of them now. Of course the team will have done the maths for every possible situation."
Massa believes that qualifying will be crucial to the outcome of the title battle, with so many of this year's races having been won by the man who was first into the first corner.
"As for the racing, obviously the last two Grands Prix in Japan and China were not so great for me," he said. "After the first of those two races, I accepted the fact that I could no longer be in contention for the drivers' title, having to leave the fight to the three guys I have been battling with all year long.
"One aspect that has become ever clearer with every passing race is that qualifying and especially the ability to get a position on the front row of the grid is the most important key to the win this year with everything being so closely matched.
"In the end, neither of those two races produced a nice result, but in the difficult conditions in which they were run, it is always going to be tough with an element of luck playing its part."[/QUOTE]
if he costs kimi the title, im going to pitch a fit.
[QUOTE]Massa sets sight on Brazil victory
By Jonathan Noble Friday, October 12th 2007, 11:20 GMT
Felipe Massa says he is heading to his home Grand Prix in Brazil next weekend with his sights firmly set on victory - even though teammate Kimi Raikkonen is still battling for the world championship.
The Ferrari driver thinks it would be wrong for him to approach the weekend thinking only of supporting Raikkonen's title situation - and he believes the Finn's hopes will be best served if the pair dominate from the front.
Writing on his official blog, Massa said that he was determined to end the season on a high, despite having dropped out of the title chase.
"If you look at all the elements of my season, the pace I showed, the results I obtained, the wins, then the overall outcome was a positive one, even without the title," said Massa.
"Now, I say to myself let's try and finish the championship in a fantastic way.
"The fact I will not be fighting for the title does not really change anything for me about my home race. It is a very important race for me on a personal level and we need to do the best we can to win, as I do in every race.
"But this is my home race and the final one of the year which adds something to it. Once the season has come to an end, it will be time to focus already on next year and to concentrate on starting and finishing the 2008 championship at the right level.
"At Interlagos, I will be trying to win the race. For sure, Kimi still has a chance of winning the championship, even if it is a small one and it will be difficult.
"My personal target is victory, but if we see any possibility of helping the team to win the driver's title, then of course I will be doing what I can.
"But this is not the way to approach the race weekend. The best way to approach it is to do what I have done at every race which is to think in terms of winning the race. If the miracle happens and maybe both McLarens are nowhere, then me and Kimi could finish first and second respectively and still give Ferrari the result it wants.
"There are so many possible permutations of what could happen that it is not worth thinking about all of them now. Of course the team will have done the maths for every possible situation."
Massa believes that qualifying will be crucial to the outcome of the title battle, with so many of this year's races having been won by the man who was first into the first corner.
"As for the racing, obviously the last two Grands Prix in Japan and China were not so great for me," he said. "After the first of those two races, I accepted the fact that I could no longer be in contention for the drivers' title, having to leave the fight to the three guys I have been battling with all year long.
"One aspect that has become ever clearer with every passing race is that qualifying and especially the ability to get a position on the front row of the grid is the most important key to the win this year with everything being so closely matched.
"In the end, neither of those two races produced a nice result, but in the difficult conditions in which they were run, it is always going to be tough with an element of luck playing its part."[/QUOTE]
if he costs kimi the title, im going to pitch a fit.
| Impreza88 | 10-13-2007 09:56 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;19690025]i just hope something happens to let kimi win the championship. i dont care if lewis crashes, beaches the car again, stalls in the pit, or has a failure of some sort. If that happens, Kimi should take it. As long as Massa doesnt spoil everything thinking he needs to win his home GP.
if he costs kimi the title, im going to pitch a fit.[/QUOTE]
he wont, i hope...i read an article the other day saying he was going to do his best to support kimi and stay between him and whoever..or thats what ferrari told him to do
if he costs kimi the title, im going to pitch a fit.[/QUOTE]
he wont, i hope...i read an article the other day saying he was going to do his best to support kimi and stay between him and whoever..or thats what ferrari told him to do
| ArtGecko | 10-13-2007 10:02 PM |
With Ralph leaving Toyota, and whining about not naving a good car, and with Toyota rumored to be talking to Alonso, why don't they just swap. Put Ralph in the Macca and shut him up for good (or prove him right), and let Alonso work his way up from the rear. Then they'll both be happy! :D
| artkevin | 10-13-2007 10:37 PM |
With Hamilton being in the points lead there is no room for any foul play. If Alonso tries to take him out and beaches himself he still loses. Same with Kimi. The only spoiler could be Massa and I don't think he has it in him to do anything underhanded.
Just go racing.
Just go racing.
| REDI-wgn | 10-13-2007 10:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Impreza88;19689926]Yes but Alonso was screwed by the FIA, if the stewards had not interfered he would be 8 pts ahead.
The stewards have no place interfering and judging a teams pit strategies, and they let Hamiltion off free when he was driving like a fool behind the safetry car at Fuji. If he wasnt at fault the stewards would not have lifted Vettel's penalty like they did.[/QUOTE]
1) Alonso's antics were clearly to screw up his team-mate as seen by lolli-pop being raised, and body language after the incident.
2) Vettel admitted to basically 'gazing off' before colliding with Webber and Hamilton was not the only person driving like that behind the safety car.
I was pissed when Vettel did that cause he was having such a great race !
The stewards have no place interfering and judging a teams pit strategies, and they let Hamiltion off free when he was driving like a fool behind the safetry car at Fuji. If he wasnt at fault the stewards would not have lifted Vettel's penalty like they did.[/QUOTE]
1) Alonso's antics were clearly to screw up his team-mate as seen by lolli-pop being raised, and body language after the incident.
2) Vettel admitted to basically 'gazing off' before colliding with Webber and Hamilton was not the only person driving like that behind the safety car.
I was pissed when Vettel did that cause he was having such a great race !
| ptclaus98 | 10-13-2007 11:14 PM |
I hope both Maccas explode within seconds of each other on the last lap.
| Gundoo | 10-13-2007 11:25 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19690681]I hope both Maccas explode within seconds of each other on the last lap.[/QUOTE]
i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.
i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.
| dssmk | 10-14-2007 12:45 AM |
[QUOTE=Gundoo;19690745]i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.[/QUOTE]
I kind of agree - I want Kimi to win it fair and square, but it [b]would[/b] be ironic to see some McLaren reliabilitiy issues like the ones that arguably cost him the WDC in 2005.
I kind of agree - I want Kimi to win it fair and square, but it [b]would[/b] be ironic to see some McLaren reliabilitiy issues like the ones that arguably cost him the WDC in 2005.
| Counterfit | 10-14-2007 02:34 AM |
[QUOTE=Gundoo;19690745]i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.[/QUOTE]
For Kimi to win WITHOUT having the McLarens take each other out, the following would have to happen: with Kimi winning: Lewis finishes no better than 6th, and Alonso no better than 3rd. If Lewis finishes in 6th, he would tie Kimi in points, but Kimi would have 6 wins to Lewis' 4. If Kimi finishes 2nd, Lewis could finish no better than 8th, and Alonso no better than 4th. If Alonso finishes 4th, and Kimi 2nd, they would also tie in points, with Kimi taking the title on wins (5 to 4).
Given that both scenarios are fairly improbable, Kimi's best shot is a DNF for both McL's.
For Kimi to win WITHOUT having the McLarens take each other out, the following would have to happen: with Kimi winning: Lewis finishes no better than 6th, and Alonso no better than 3rd. If Lewis finishes in 6th, he would tie Kimi in points, but Kimi would have 6 wins to Lewis' 4. If Kimi finishes 2nd, Lewis could finish no better than 8th, and Alonso no better than 4th. If Alonso finishes 4th, and Kimi 2nd, they would also tie in points, with Kimi taking the title on wins (5 to 4).
Given that both scenarios are fairly improbable, Kimi's best shot is a DNF for both McL's.
| ptclaus98 | 10-14-2007 11:09 AM |
[QUOTE=Gundoo;19690745]i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.[/QUOTE]
Karma's a bitch.
Karma's a bitch.
| EJ25RUN | 10-14-2007 03:23 PM |
feels likew 1986 with prost, piquet, and mansell.
Go Hamilton!
Go Hamilton!
| wvallwheeldrive | 10-14-2007 07:15 PM |
[quote=Gundoo;19690745]i dont want kimi to be gifted the wdc.[/quote]
He has the most wins this year so i don't think it would be gifting him anything.
He has the most wins this year so i don't think it would be gifting him anything.
| artkevin | 10-14-2007 07:19 PM |
He has the most wins right now. Alonso or Hamilton could tie him in Brazil. As we have seen in the past, it tends to be more about consistency in the modern points system them all out wins.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-14-2007 09:19 PM |
I think we can all agree that the FIA has twisted this championship, when they may have had the motivation to do just the oposite.I imagine one day they will be better, but these things seem to always be viewable throug rose colored glasses (depending on your POV)
One thing I think is for sure, this season and hopefully race will be long remembered, much more than any of M.S.'s championships.
It has really been dramatic.
One thing I think is for sure, this season and hopefully race will be long remembered, much more than any of M.S.'s championships.
It has really been dramatic.
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