| nKoan | 01-15-2007 04:50 PM |
Did the FIA loosen up design restrictions on the front wing and/or the area in front of the side pods?
On both the McLaren and the Ferrari, they look quite different from previous incarnations and each other.
On both the McLaren and the Ferrari, they look quite different from previous incarnations and each other.
| KAX | 01-15-2007 05:11 PM |
i dont think so. the main regulation was the height of the end plates. they look pretty similar in that regard. Just looks to me like they go farther back along the car. Not sure if they had a regulation on that.
| artkevin | 01-15-2007 05:16 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16673435]its the same helmet. In all the other shots, the visor blocks the prancing horse.
Man, Im liking everything I've seen so far (even mclarens suits, though they should be a little more silver and less white). Both the McLaren and Ferrari are damn sexy.[/QUOTE]
This is the pic I am talking about:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/suffolkben/kimiferrari3oy-1.jpg[/IMG]
It is a photochop of the F248 with Felipe Massa. You can tell by the number 6 becuase it is in last year's style. Also, that is Kimi's McLaren 06 style helmet (Arai, rather then Schubreth) with the Tri Star Mercedes logo replaced with the prancing horse. Also, those are Felipes Puma gloves and Kimi never drove the F248 in that guise.
Man, Im liking everything I've seen so far (even mclarens suits, though they should be a little more silver and less white). Both the McLaren and Ferrari are damn sexy.[/QUOTE]
This is the pic I am talking about:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/suffolkben/kimiferrari3oy-1.jpg[/IMG]
It is a photochop of the F248 with Felipe Massa. You can tell by the number 6 becuase it is in last year's style. Also, that is Kimi's McLaren 06 style helmet (Arai, rather then Schubreth) with the Tri Star Mercedes logo replaced with the prancing horse. Also, those are Felipes Puma gloves and Kimi never drove the F248 in that guise.
| nKoan | 01-15-2007 05:26 PM |
Yeah, I agree. The helmets are definitely different. The more recent Kimi helmets also has the new Marlboro bar code design (thinner bars, not all the same width) on the front and the side in the white halo. Also, the incar pic still has something written on the side (Iceman IIRC), but its not present (or not as big and in a different font) on the newer helmet.
| artkevin | 01-15-2007 05:50 PM |
I found a pic of Alonso's new helmet. COMPLETELY different. He looks like a storm trooper now. I will post a pic when I get home unless someone else gets to it. Looking your way Ferg and Stu.
| KAX | 01-15-2007 06:24 PM |
[QUOTE=nKoan;16674402]Also, the incar pic still has something written on the side (Iceman IIRC), but its not present (or not as big and in a different font) on the newer helmet.[/QUOTE]
ah yes, I see that now. good eyes nKoan and art. I stand corrected :p
So we've got BMW tomorrow, then on starting the 24th we have Renault, Honda and Red Bull on consecutive days. Cant wait for the red bull.
ah yes, I see that now. good eyes nKoan and art. I stand corrected :p
So we've got BMW tomorrow, then on starting the 24th we have Renault, Honda and Red Bull on consecutive days. Cant wait for the red bull.
| artkevin | 01-15-2007 06:47 PM |
I was thinking the same thing Kax. I am actually really looking forward to the BMW too because last year's was just a reworked Sauber. This will be their own car so it will be cool to see what they change and what they keep.
Here is Alonso's soul-less helmet.
[IMG]http://www.formulalonso.com.es/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/casco-alonso.jpg[/IMG]
Here is Alonso's soul-less helmet.
[IMG]http://www.formulalonso.com.es/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/casco-alonso.jpg[/IMG]
| Patrick Olsen | 01-15-2007 07:32 PM |
Interesting how short the front main plane appears to be on the McLaren, but then the end plates have wing extensions on the outside.
There are so many swoops and dips and curves that I can't help but wonder how in the world they put it all together. :eek: The bazillions of hours of wind tunnel testing it must take is amazing.
Pat
There are so many swoops and dips and curves that I can't help but wonder how in the world they put it all together. :eek: The bazillions of hours of wind tunnel testing it must take is amazing.
Pat
| StuBeck | 01-15-2007 09:15 PM |
[IMG]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7761/alonsonw2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mm.motor21.com//Espa�ol/Deportes/Motor/F�rmula_1/casco_alonso1_des.jpg[/IMG]
"better" "picture" of alonso's helmet.
[IMG]http://mm.motor21.com//Espa�ol/Deportes/Motor/F�rmula_1/casco_alonso1_des.jpg[/IMG]
"better" "picture" of alonso's helmet.
| artkevin | 01-15-2007 10:50 PM |
Where the hell do you find that stuff Stu?
Looks like he is wearing the German falg rather then the flag of Oviado (sp?).
[IMG]http://www.rally.gr/data/f1-driver-helmet/73.gif[/IMG]
Looks like he is wearing the German falg rather then the flag of Oviado (sp?).
[IMG]http://www.rally.gr/data/f1-driver-helmet/73.gif[/IMG]
| meebs | 01-15-2007 11:31 PM |
[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;16660622]How the hell can the mass damper be banned as a moveable aero device (even though it was completely hidden inside the nose/gearbox), and that sculpted wishbone [i]not[/i]?!
The wishbone hangs into the airstream and definitely moves.[/QUOTE]
IIRC it's ok as long as it's just managing airflow. As long as they aren't actually [b]producing[/b] downforce, they're ok.
The wishbone hangs into the airstream and definitely moves.[/QUOTE]
IIRC it's ok as long as it's just managing airflow. As long as they aren't actually [b]producing[/b] downforce, they're ok.
| artkevin | 01-15-2007 11:58 PM |
I agree with you meebs but I think the mass dampner falls in the same category. It kept the wings from bouncing relative to the ground line, I don't see how that is producing downforce.
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 12:25 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;16678226]Where the hell do you find that stuff Stu?
Looks like he is wearing the German falg rather then the flag of Oviado (sp?).
[IMG]http://www.rally.gr/data/f1-driver-helmet/73.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Its apparently from autosport. I just did a search on google for "alonso new helmet" and it came up. I'm still waiting for a more official "hey, the actual helmet" deal though to be sure.
Looks like he is wearing the German falg rather then the flag of Oviado (sp?).
[IMG]http://www.rally.gr/data/f1-driver-helmet/73.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Its apparently from autosport. I just did a search on google for "alonso new helmet" and it came up. I'm still waiting for a more official "hey, the actual helmet" deal though to be sure.
| bitterWRX | 01-16-2007 03:12 AM |
Williams-Toyota FW29 "spyshots"
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Definitely not as much detail as the Renault spyshots...
But still cool. :cool:
I think its crazy that you can see how thick the radiator core is, through the chimney.
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5903/williams2007vx3xf8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://racefreaks.nl/images/550/azbrekhaxuvnkdnkhrn.jpg[/IMG]
It looks like the front wing takes a lot of cues from McLaren.
But still cool. :cool:
I think its crazy that you can see how thick the radiator core is, through the chimney.
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5903/williams2007vx3xf8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://racefreaks.nl/images/550/azbrekhaxuvnkdnkhrn.jpg[/IMG]
It looks like the front wing takes a lot of cues from McLaren.
| thejaredhuang | 01-16-2007 03:33 AM |
Williams is looking good this year. Now if they start using the flexible cooling/hydraulic lines then they should be good to go.
I forgot if it was cooling or hydraulic but those rigid lines kept breaking.
Hot dang Kimi's helmet looks nice.
At least Schumacher is still in the game.
And has the front of the car always been wider than the rear? I know Ferrari made the rear track smaller this year.
I forgot if it was cooling or hydraulic but those rigid lines kept breaking.
Hot dang Kimi's helmet looks nice.
At least Schumacher is still in the game.
And has the front of the car always been wider than the rear? I know Ferrari made the rear track smaller this year.
| soldmyboxster | 01-16-2007 03:43 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;16680622][IMG]http://racefreaks.nl/images/550/azbrekhaxuvnkdnkhrn.jpg[/IMG]
It looks like the front wing takes a lot of cues from McLaren.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on the front wing.
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5903/williams2007vx3xf8.jpg[/IMG]
Check out them bargeboards (especially from the front view) and the length of the heat exchanger outlets! Makes me wodner if maybe they traded a little bit of aero efficiency over the top of the sidepods for a reduced sidepod frontal area. With such a large heat exchanger exit, one would think the pressure drop would be huge from the front to the rear of the core, enhancing heat dissipation and maybe allowing for a smaller core. Weren't most teams last year (if not all) using a small chimney to vent the waste heat toward the rear tires?
[QUOTE=artkevin;16679064]I agree with you meebs but I think the mass dampner falls in the same category. It kept the wings from bouncing relative to the ground line, I don't see how that is producing downforce.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding, by maintaining a constant chassis attitude over bumps, the effects were twofold. First, the dampers didn't have to work as hard to maintain the tires' contact with the road, which improved mechanical grip performance. Second, the pitch sensitivity of the front wing was reduced, which regulated airflow under the wing to a greater degree, improving its performance. Both worked to help the car "soak up" bumps. I can see how it affected the car's aero performance, but I don't consider it an aerodynamic device, more a mechanical one.
I think of it in these terms. Since raising the front wing reduced downforce available at the front, if they were to raise it even more (like when a car goes over bumps), even more frontal downforce would be lost. Perhaps this is because the air travelling under the wing relies on a smooth column being generated by the gap between the ground and the base of the wing.
On airplanes, the most sensitive area of the wing to tubulence is the top. Since the nose of an F1 car is essentially a flipped airplane wing, disruptions in the [i]bottom[/i] of the wing are most apparent.
[QUOTE=thejaredhuang;16680696]Williams is looking good this year. Now if they start using the flexible cooling/hydraulic lines then they should be good to go.
I forgot if it was cooling or hydraulic but those rigid lines kept breaking.[/quote]
From my F1 2007 Season In Review DVD, Williams had lots of hydraulic failures this year.
This thread is freaking awesome.....aero development is getting tons of attention this year, lots of cool changes!
It looks like the front wing takes a lot of cues from McLaren.[/QUOTE]
Agreed on the front wing.
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5903/williams2007vx3xf8.jpg[/IMG]
Check out them bargeboards (especially from the front view) and the length of the heat exchanger outlets! Makes me wodner if maybe they traded a little bit of aero efficiency over the top of the sidepods for a reduced sidepod frontal area. With such a large heat exchanger exit, one would think the pressure drop would be huge from the front to the rear of the core, enhancing heat dissipation and maybe allowing for a smaller core. Weren't most teams last year (if not all) using a small chimney to vent the waste heat toward the rear tires?
[QUOTE=artkevin;16679064]I agree with you meebs but I think the mass dampner falls in the same category. It kept the wings from bouncing relative to the ground line, I don't see how that is producing downforce.[/QUOTE]
From my understanding, by maintaining a constant chassis attitude over bumps, the effects were twofold. First, the dampers didn't have to work as hard to maintain the tires' contact with the road, which improved mechanical grip performance. Second, the pitch sensitivity of the front wing was reduced, which regulated airflow under the wing to a greater degree, improving its performance. Both worked to help the car "soak up" bumps. I can see how it affected the car's aero performance, but I don't consider it an aerodynamic device, more a mechanical one.
I think of it in these terms. Since raising the front wing reduced downforce available at the front, if they were to raise it even more (like when a car goes over bumps), even more frontal downforce would be lost. Perhaps this is because the air travelling under the wing relies on a smooth column being generated by the gap between the ground and the base of the wing.
On airplanes, the most sensitive area of the wing to tubulence is the top. Since the nose of an F1 car is essentially a flipped airplane wing, disruptions in the [i]bottom[/i] of the wing are most apparent.
[QUOTE=thejaredhuang;16680696]Williams is looking good this year. Now if they start using the flexible cooling/hydraulic lines then they should be good to go.
I forgot if it was cooling or hydraulic but those rigid lines kept breaking.[/quote]
From my F1 2007 Season In Review DVD, Williams had lots of hydraulic failures this year.
This thread is freaking awesome.....aero development is getting tons of attention this year, lots of cool changes!
| Wr4wrX | 01-16-2007 03:45 AM |
The first shots of the BMW Sauber F1.07
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006924-2[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006925-2[/IMG]
Less bonkers than a lot of the new cars. I rather like it. Gotta wait for more pics to come out.
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006924-2[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006925-2[/IMG]
Less bonkers than a lot of the new cars. I rather like it. Gotta wait for more pics to come out.
| Wr4wrX | 01-16-2007 03:53 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;16680622]Definitely not as much detail as the Renault spyshots...
But still cool. :cool:
I think its crazy that you can see how thick the radiator core is, through the chimney.
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5903/williams2007vx3xf8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://racefreaks.nl/images/550/azbrekhaxuvnkdnkhrn.jpg[/IMG]
It looks like the front wing takes a lot of cues from McLaren.[/QUOTE]
Did I miss some news? I thought AT&T was the title sponsor for Williams. Why is Lenovo on the sidepods and rear wing and not AT&T?
Also, did anybody else notice that Williams has changed their logo again? Look on the nose.
But still cool. :cool:
I think its crazy that you can see how thick the radiator core is, through the chimney.
[IMG]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5903/williams2007vx3xf8.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://racefreaks.nl/images/550/azbrekhaxuvnkdnkhrn.jpg[/IMG]
It looks like the front wing takes a lot of cues from McLaren.[/QUOTE]
Did I miss some news? I thought AT&T was the title sponsor for Williams. Why is Lenovo on the sidepods and rear wing and not AT&T?
Also, did anybody else notice that Williams has changed their logo again? Look on the nose.
| bitterWRX | 01-16-2007 03:56 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX;16680764]Did I miss some news? I thought AT&T was the title sponsor for Williams. Why is Lenovo on the sidepods and rear wing and not AT&T?
Also, did anybody else notice that Williams has changed their logo again? Look on the nose.[/QUOTE]
If I am not mistaken, AT&T is still the title sponsor. I know that Lenovo is a new sponsorship from China but I cannot tell you for sure why they have so much of the car. I'm guessing that Lenovo and AT&T may have switched their sponsorship level and they have yet to announce it? Not sure.
Also, did anybody else notice that Williams has changed their logo again? Look on the nose.[/QUOTE]
If I am not mistaken, AT&T is still the title sponsor. I know that Lenovo is a new sponsorship from China but I cannot tell you for sure why they have so much of the car. I'm guessing that Lenovo and AT&T may have switched their sponsorship level and they have yet to announce it? Not sure.
| soldmyboxster | 01-16-2007 03:57 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX;16680742]Less bonkers than a lot of the new cars. I rather like it. Gotta wait for more pics to come out.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't Sauber have that crazy supercomputer to perform the aero calculations for them? I had expected them to be near the front of the pack as far as changes go. Need more pics, but so far, I'm disappointed.
Hijack: Anyone ever notice how the cars nearly put one wheel into the air on the first off-camber corner at the Nurburgring? It seems to me a small amount of torsional flex between the front axle line and the rear axle line would allow that one wheel to "reach down" to the ground and improve grip in that corner. Would it hurt grip in the rest of the "regular" corners?
Iono.
Doesn't Sauber have that crazy supercomputer to perform the aero calculations for them? I had expected them to be near the front of the pack as far as changes go. Need more pics, but so far, I'm disappointed.
Hijack: Anyone ever notice how the cars nearly put one wheel into the air on the first off-camber corner at the Nurburgring? It seems to me a small amount of torsional flex between the front axle line and the rear axle line would allow that one wheel to "reach down" to the ground and improve grip in that corner. Would it hurt grip in the rest of the "regular" corners?
Iono.
| Slick Nick | 01-16-2007 05:10 AM |
[QUOTE=Wr4wrX;16680742]The first shots of the BMW Sauber F1.07
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006924-2[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006925-2[/IMG]
Less bonkers than a lot of the new cars. I rather like it. Gotta wait for more pics to come out.[/QUOTE]
Is it just me or do the side pod openings look really massive on this car compared to the others shown so far?
Also the Williams and to a lesser degree the BMW front wings look very smooth and simple whereas the McLaren and Ferrari front wings seem much busier visually.
-Nick
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006924-2[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2007bmw1/image/QP006925-2[/IMG]
Less bonkers than a lot of the new cars. I rather like it. Gotta wait for more pics to come out.[/QUOTE]
Is it just me or do the side pod openings look really massive on this car compared to the others shown so far?
Also the Williams and to a lesser degree the BMW front wings look very smooth and simple whereas the McLaren and Ferrari front wings seem much busier visually.
-Nick
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 07:22 AM |
[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;16680774]Doesn't Sauber have that crazy supercomputer to perform the aero calculations for them? I had expected them to be near the front of the pack as far as changes go. Need more pics, but so far, I'm disappointed.
Hijack: Anyone ever notice how the cars nearly put one wheel into the air on the first off-camber corner at the Nurburgring? It seems to me a small amount of torsional flex between the front axle line and the rear axle line would allow that one wheel to "reach down" to the ground and improve grip in that corner. Would it hurt grip in the rest of the "regular" corners?
Iono.[/QUOTE]
BMW Sauber has always had one of the best wind tunnels, but they simply lack the resources to use it as well as the other teams. It is wierd how little they have changed though.
You're right at the end, they could make the suspension work better for that one corner, but it would hurt the performance a lot in the other corners. They don't really need grip either because it is such a low speed corner.
Hijack: Anyone ever notice how the cars nearly put one wheel into the air on the first off-camber corner at the Nurburgring? It seems to me a small amount of torsional flex between the front axle line and the rear axle line would allow that one wheel to "reach down" to the ground and improve grip in that corner. Would it hurt grip in the rest of the "regular" corners?
Iono.[/QUOTE]
BMW Sauber has always had one of the best wind tunnels, but they simply lack the resources to use it as well as the other teams. It is wierd how little they have changed though.
You're right at the end, they could make the suspension work better for that one corner, but it would hurt the performance a lot in the other corners. They don't really need grip either because it is such a low speed corner.
| artkevin | 01-16-2007 09:15 AM |
Looks like Renault is going with the rear wheel shroud too. Not a fan of it, at least the looks of it.
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67064.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67064.jpg[/IMG]
| f1vlad | 01-16-2007 10:00 AM |
This would have been nice:
[IMG]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6193/2003882528920713389rsyg0.jpg[/IMG]
src: [url]http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/35710692/?qo=25&q=by%3Aemrehusmen&qh=boost%3Apopular+-in%3Ascraps[/url]
[IMG]http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6193/2003882528920713389rsyg0.jpg[/IMG]
src: [url]http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/35710692/?qo=25&q=by%3Aemrehusmen&qh=boost%3Apopular+-in%3Ascraps[/url]
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 11:20 AM |
More shots ofthe F1.07
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73156132/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73156135/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73156139/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73156132/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73156135/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73156139/large.jpg[/IMG]
| bitterWRX | 01-16-2007 12:27 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;16681853]Looks like Renault is going with the rear wheel shroud too. Not a fan of it, at least the looks of it.
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67064.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I think those wheel cover/shrouds will be a trend this season.
[IMG]http://images.f1racing.net/large/67064.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I think those wheel cover/shrouds will be a trend this season.
| KAX | 01-16-2007 01:01 PM |
what purpose do those serve? just keep stuff out of the brakes, im assuming.
is BMW still officially BMW Sauber? Weren't they only keeping Sauber in the name last year because it was a Sauber car?
is BMW still officially BMW Sauber? Weren't they only keeping Sauber in the name last year because it was a Sauber car?
| TimStevens | 01-16-2007 01:04 PM |
I don't know of the details, but it somehow better controls the airflow in and around the wheel to provide greater lateral stability.
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 01:11 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16684958]is BMW still officially BMW Sauber? Weren't they only keeping Sauber in the name last year because it was a Sauber car?[/QUOTE]
They're keeping the Sauber name. As far as I know they have no plans to drop it, which is nice.
They're keeping the Sauber name. As far as I know they have no plans to drop it, which is nice.
| artkevin | 01-16-2007 01:33 PM |
[QUOTE=TimStevens;16684998]I don't know of the details, but it somehow better controls the airflow in and around the wheel to provide greater lateral stability.[/QUOTE]
The corporate line is that they help in brake cooling so they are not an aero device. The argument is that they do control airflow and it is not a homogenius material for the wheel.
I've heard the same thing Ferg, that the Sauber name will stay and I like it too.
The corporate line is that they help in brake cooling so they are not an aero device. The argument is that they do control airflow and it is not a homogenius material for the wheel.
I've heard the same thing Ferg, that the Sauber name will stay and I like it too.
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 01:34 PM |
Something about this bothers me....
[QUOTE][B]Raikkonen must await his first F2007 run
[/B]
By Michele Lostia and Biranit Goren Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 11:43 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen will have to wait for some time longer before he gets his hands on the Ferrari F2007.
The Finn will have his first test for Ferrari next week at Mugello. However, the newly recruited star is scheduled to drive the 2006 car, the 248 F1, throughout his three days' session.
At the same time, Brazilian teammate Felipe Massa will drive the sole F2007 chassis for the entire period.
Ferrari explained that the decision was purely because of Massa's experience with prior Ferrari cars, and his ability to convey the necessary information for comparison.
"There's nothing strange about it," explained Aldo Costa, head of the chassis department. "We've decided to have this sort of programme because at the moment we most of all need continuity and reference points."
Ferrari are scheduled to join the other teams for a major test at the end of January, and Raikkonen could have a run in the F2007 at that point.
More conceivably, however, he may have to wait a while longer until the Maranello team produce a second chassis.[/QUOTE]
If Renault can have two R27s running for both their drivers why can't Ferrari?
[QUOTE][B]Raikkonen must await his first F2007 run
[/B]
By Michele Lostia and Biranit Goren Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 11:43 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen will have to wait for some time longer before he gets his hands on the Ferrari F2007.
The Finn will have his first test for Ferrari next week at Mugello. However, the newly recruited star is scheduled to drive the 2006 car, the 248 F1, throughout his three days' session.
At the same time, Brazilian teammate Felipe Massa will drive the sole F2007 chassis for the entire period.
Ferrari explained that the decision was purely because of Massa's experience with prior Ferrari cars, and his ability to convey the necessary information for comparison.
"There's nothing strange about it," explained Aldo Costa, head of the chassis department. "We've decided to have this sort of programme because at the moment we most of all need continuity and reference points."
Ferrari are scheduled to join the other teams for a major test at the end of January, and Raikkonen could have a run in the F2007 at that point.
More conceivably, however, he may have to wait a while longer until the Maranello team produce a second chassis.[/QUOTE]
If Renault can have two R27s running for both their drivers why can't Ferrari?
| KAX | 01-16-2007 01:42 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16685493]Something about this bothers me....
If Renault can have two R27s running for both their drivers why can't Ferrari?[/QUOTE]
well i'm sure renault is also planning to have a debut with the actual car present. Its just taking Ferrari a little longer. Hopefully for Kimi's sake, this wont be a repeat of the long awaited F2005 which ended up a failure. I wonder why they went back to the F200X name format anyway. After the supersticiously left for the 248 naming scheme, why would they go back to the F200X format after having a good year prior?
Next announced launch dates:
[quote]24 Jan. Renault
25 Jan. Honda
26 Jan. Red Bull
02 Feb. Williams
05 Feb. Spyker F1[/quote]
If Renault can have two R27s running for both their drivers why can't Ferrari?[/QUOTE]
well i'm sure renault is also planning to have a debut with the actual car present. Its just taking Ferrari a little longer. Hopefully for Kimi's sake, this wont be a repeat of the long awaited F2005 which ended up a failure. I wonder why they went back to the F200X name format anyway. After the supersticiously left for the 248 naming scheme, why would they go back to the F200X format after having a good year prior?
Next announced launch dates:
[quote]24 Jan. Renault
25 Jan. Honda
26 Jan. Red Bull
02 Feb. Williams
05 Feb. Spyker F1[/quote]
| artkevin | 01-16-2007 01:51 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16677030][IMG]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7761/alonsonw2.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mm.motor21.com//Espa�ol/Deportes/Motor/F�rmula_1/casco_alonso1_des.jpg[/IMG]
"better" "picture" of alonso's helmet.[/QUOTE]
Looks like a good guess.
[IMG]http://www.safety-car.net/galeria/albums/userpics/10393/normal_casco.jpg[/IMG]
Has Kimi even been in a Ferrari at all? Ron Dennis said that is was important to get Fernando in a McLaren ASAP becuase they didn't know if his driving style would fit the car. I am surprised they are not pressing for the same thing at Ferrari.
[IMG]http://mm.motor21.com//Espa�ol/Deportes/Motor/F�rmula_1/casco_alonso1_des.jpg[/IMG]
"better" "picture" of alonso's helmet.[/QUOTE]
Looks like a good guess.
[IMG]http://www.safety-car.net/galeria/albums/userpics/10393/normal_casco.jpg[/IMG]
Has Kimi even been in a Ferrari at all? Ron Dennis said that is was important to get Fernando in a McLaren ASAP becuase they didn't know if his driving style would fit the car. I am surprised they are not pressing for the same thing at Ferrari.
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16685493]Something about this bothers me....
If Renault can have two R27s running for both their drivers why can't Ferrari?[/QUOTE]
Ferrari typically roles out later than others. They get the car reliable before hand, then role it out.
[QUOTE=KAX;16685623]well i'm sure renault is also planning to have a debut with the actual car present. Its just taking Ferrari a little longer. Hopefully for Kimi's sake, this wont be a repeat of the long awaited F2005 which ended up a failure. I wonder why they went back to the F200X name format anyway. After the supersticiously left for the 248 naming scheme, why would they go back to the F200X format after having a good year prior?
Next announced launch dates:[/QUOTE]
It does seem weird about the naming convention. I don't think they will have the same problem as the F2005 though, that was mainly because they switched designers that year, and didn't get out their with Bridgestone testing early enough.
If Renault can have two R27s running for both their drivers why can't Ferrari?[/QUOTE]
Ferrari typically roles out later than others. They get the car reliable before hand, then role it out.
[QUOTE=KAX;16685623]well i'm sure renault is also planning to have a debut with the actual car present. Its just taking Ferrari a little longer. Hopefully for Kimi's sake, this wont be a repeat of the long awaited F2005 which ended up a failure. I wonder why they went back to the F200X name format anyway. After the supersticiously left for the 248 naming scheme, why would they go back to the F200X format after having a good year prior?
Next announced launch dates:[/QUOTE]
It does seem weird about the naming convention. I don't think they will have the same problem as the F2005 though, that was mainly because they switched designers that year, and didn't get out their with Bridgestone testing early enough.
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 02:22 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;16686117]I don't think they will have the same problem as the F2005 though, that was mainly because they switched designers that year, and didn't get out their with Bridgestone testing early enough.[/QUOTE]
Sounds eerily familiar...
My bitch isn't that Ferrari are late with their car, it's on track already (like many other teams) just that they only have one chassis available. Renault, a much smaller operation, has two chassis running already. It just seems odd to me.
Sounds eerily familiar...
My bitch isn't that Ferrari are late with their car, it's on track already (like many other teams) just that they only have one chassis available. Renault, a much smaller operation, has two chassis running already. It just seems odd to me.
| artkevin | 01-16-2007 02:27 PM |
The name thing is strange. I always wondered what they were going to call the F248 (Formula 1-2.4 liter-V-8) in 2007. I am happy they went back to a naming system that actually tells you when the car was made.
I also don't mind a late roll out, but at least let the guy who has never driven the car a chance to feel it out. Not that Kimi is known for his feed back but he can have an idea of what is happening.
Come to think of it. The pic that Stu posted with Massa in the foreground, in the car, and Schumi and Kimi further back is an amazing pic. The more I think of it the more it speaks about the state of the Scuderia.
I also don't mind a late roll out, but at least let the guy who has never driven the car a chance to feel it out. Not that Kimi is known for his feed back but he can have an idea of what is happening.
Come to think of it. The pic that Stu posted with Massa in the foreground, in the car, and Schumi and Kimi further back is an amazing pic. The more I think of it the more it speaks about the state of the Scuderia.
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 02:31 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16673284]I don't think I've ever seen Schumacher look as old as he does in this picture.
Makes me sad in a way.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73119154/large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Good point Kevin, it does say a lot about what's going on in Maranello.
Michael and Kimi seem to be looking (rather seriously) at the same thing...wonder what that is...
Makes me sad in a way.
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73119154/large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Good point Kevin, it does say a lot about what's going on in Maranello.
Michael and Kimi seem to be looking (rather seriously) at the same thing...wonder what that is...
| artkevin | 01-16-2007 02:40 PM |
Sorry, I gave credit to Stu not you Ferg.
Well, at least Schumi is still getting free swag.
Well, at least Schumi is still getting free swag.
| cdvma | 01-16-2007 02:49 PM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;16680622]Definitely not as much detail as the Renault spyshots...
But still cool. :cool:
I think its crazy that you can see how thick the radiator core is, through the chimney.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that its thick, its just rotated so the entire face isn't facing forward. Allows them to tuck the chassis in.
But still cool. :cool:
I think its crazy that you can see how thick the radiator core is, through the chimney.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that its thick, its just rotated so the entire face isn't facing forward. Allows them to tuck the chassis in.
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 02:49 PM |
No worries Kevin, with all the pics flying around in this thread I can't keep them straight either :lol:
Do we consider a custom FXX to be swag? Nice!
Do we consider a custom FXX to be swag? Nice!
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 02:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16686277]Sounds eerily familiar...
My bitch isn't that Ferrari are late with their car, it's on track already (like many other teams) just that they only have one chassis available. Renault, a much smaller operation, has two chassis running already. It just seems odd to me.[/QUOTE]
They've done this in the past too, Matchett always talks about how "every F1 team in this day and age gives the same equipment to each driver. He's forgetting about times like SA only having one chassis, or ferrari in 02 only giving the 2002 to MS in Brazil because they only had one available.
My bitch isn't that Ferrari are late with their car, it's on track already (like many other teams) just that they only have one chassis available. Renault, a much smaller operation, has two chassis running already. It just seems odd to me.[/QUOTE]
They've done this in the past too, Matchett always talks about how "every F1 team in this day and age gives the same equipment to each driver. He's forgetting about times like SA only having one chassis, or ferrari in 02 only giving the 2002 to MS in Brazil because they only had one available.
| KAX | 01-16-2007 02:57 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;16686385]I also don't mind a late roll out, but at least let the guy who has never driven the car a chance to feel it out. Not that Kimi is known for his feed back but he can have an idea of what is happening.[/QUOTE]
I think its better that they give Massa the chassis before Kimi. This is all testing for the cars at the moment, so they want someone who can notice a difference in performance between the new car and old car.
Though, I would personally have them switch off. Massa run morning and Kimi afternoon or something like that. that way they make sure Kimi's style is suited by the car as well, rather then perfecting the car just to find out Kimi can't drive it.
I think its better that they give Massa the chassis before Kimi. This is all testing for the cars at the moment, so they want someone who can notice a difference in performance between the new car and old car.
Though, I would personally have them switch off. Massa run morning and Kimi afternoon or something like that. that way they make sure Kimi's style is suited by the car as well, rather then perfecting the car just to find out Kimi can't drive it.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 01-16-2007 02:59 PM |
Man have I missed alot the last few weeks. :(
I'll catch up.
Ferrari's barge boards are scaring me.
I'll catch up.
Ferrari's barge boards are scaring me.
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;16686877]I think its better that they give Massa the chassis before Kimi. This is all testing for the cars at the moment, so they want someone who can notice a difference in performance between the new car and old car.
Though, I would personally have them switch off. Massa run morning and Kimi afternoon or something like that. that way they make sure Kimi's style is suited by the car as well, rather then perfecting the car just to find out Kimi can't drive it.[/QUOTE]
That last point is the problem Mclaren had with Montoya. JPM is a much more reactive driver, and wants to deal with oversteer, not understeer. Kimi on the other hand is a "better" driver and can deal with it, so they designed the car around Kimi's driving style and not around JPM's, which is one of the reasons Montoya was usually slower.
In a somewhat unrelated note, what ever happened with STR announcing their drivers around the new years?
Though, I would personally have them switch off. Massa run morning and Kimi afternoon or something like that. that way they make sure Kimi's style is suited by the car as well, rather then perfecting the car just to find out Kimi can't drive it.[/QUOTE]
That last point is the problem Mclaren had with Montoya. JPM is a much more reactive driver, and wants to deal with oversteer, not understeer. Kimi on the other hand is a "better" driver and can deal with it, so they designed the car around Kimi's driving style and not around JPM's, which is one of the reasons Montoya was usually slower.
In a somewhat unrelated note, what ever happened with STR announcing their drivers around the new years?
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;16685775]Looks like a good guess.
[IMG]http://www.safety-car.net/galeria/albums/userpics/10393/normal_casco.jpg[/IMG]
Has Kimi even been in a Ferrari at all? Ron Dennis said that is was important to get Fernando in a McLaren ASAP becuase they didn't know if his driving style would fit the car. I am surprised they are not pressing for the same thing at Ferrari.[/QUOTE]
I like his actual helmet a lot more, at least it will be easy to tell from Hamilton's helmet.
[IMG]http://www.safety-car.net/galeria/albums/userpics/10393/normal_casco.jpg[/IMG]
Has Kimi even been in a Ferrari at all? Ron Dennis said that is was important to get Fernando in a McLaren ASAP becuase they didn't know if his driving style would fit the car. I am surprised they are not pressing for the same thing at Ferrari.[/QUOTE]
I like his actual helmet a lot more, at least it will be easy to tell from Hamilton's helmet.
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 03:42 PM |
Still looking for a write up on the Macca and Ferrari.
[QUOTE][B]Technical analysis of the BMW F1.07[/B]
By Craig Scarborough Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 14:16 GMT
In keeping with the theme of most of this year's cars, the new BMW Sauber F.107 is a logical progression of the 2006 machine.
The important changes have been made to the front of the chassis and the gearbox.
Despite the team running a zero keel last year, this was achieved with a lowered chassis which provided the aero benefit for less impact on suspension geometry.
This year the team have raised the front of the chassis forward of the cockpit and dropped the suspension to meet the wheels. This is the approach adopted almost universally amongst the teams for this year.
Forward of the chassis, a new nosecone arrangement is both shorter and noticeably flatter than on the F1.06.
The car's aerodynamics are designed to be sympathetic with the car sliding, which technical director Willy Rampf says will be a feature of the new Bridgestone tyres. As a result, the aero team have been chasing balance and stability over maximum downforce figures.
BMW have developed the engine and gearbox in Munich, with the gears now selected with a BMW-designed seamless shift system; this is reported to be worth two or three tenths of a second per lap, according to Rampf.
Incorporated into the engine installation are new radiators and exhausts, designed to work best with the aerodynamics.
With BMW's stated aim being to reduce the gap to fastest cars by half again this year, the car's design appears to be capable of meeting this demand. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Technical analysis of the Renault R27[/B]
By Craig Scarborough Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 14:09 GMT
As the new Renault R27 completes its shakedown at Jerez, the first details of the car can already be seen.
The car is clearly derived from the championship-winning R25-R26 designs.
The first thing that is apparent is that the front suspension remains a V Keel, which could leave Renault alone without Zero Keel this year - depending on Red Bull's direction).
This probably isn't a massive aerodynamic disadvantage and could even leave Renault with some options to alter their suspension geometry as the team learn the new Bridgestone tyres.
The curved element over the front wing appears larger than last year, while the bargeboards and monocoque shape appear to be carried over from 2006.
It is the sidepods that appear most changed, with their fronts now triangular in profile.
Most eye-catching are the pod wings which have the rear view mirrors neatly integrated into them.
But, how clear the view from the mirrors will be is debatable, as the fins are prone to vibration at speed.
Further along, the sidepods remain tightly waisted, leading the team to protrude the exhausts through the bodywork rather than having them cut flush as on the R26.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Technical analysis of the BMW F1.07[/B]
By Craig Scarborough Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 14:16 GMT
In keeping with the theme of most of this year's cars, the new BMW Sauber F.107 is a logical progression of the 2006 machine.
The important changes have been made to the front of the chassis and the gearbox.
Despite the team running a zero keel last year, this was achieved with a lowered chassis which provided the aero benefit for less impact on suspension geometry.
This year the team have raised the front of the chassis forward of the cockpit and dropped the suspension to meet the wheels. This is the approach adopted almost universally amongst the teams for this year.
Forward of the chassis, a new nosecone arrangement is both shorter and noticeably flatter than on the F1.06.
The car's aerodynamics are designed to be sympathetic with the car sliding, which technical director Willy Rampf says will be a feature of the new Bridgestone tyres. As a result, the aero team have been chasing balance and stability over maximum downforce figures.
BMW have developed the engine and gearbox in Munich, with the gears now selected with a BMW-designed seamless shift system; this is reported to be worth two or three tenths of a second per lap, according to Rampf.
Incorporated into the engine installation are new radiators and exhausts, designed to work best with the aerodynamics.
With BMW's stated aim being to reduce the gap to fastest cars by half again this year, the car's design appears to be capable of meeting this demand. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Technical analysis of the Renault R27[/B]
By Craig Scarborough Tuesday, January 16th 2007, 14:09 GMT
As the new Renault R27 completes its shakedown at Jerez, the first details of the car can already be seen.
The car is clearly derived from the championship-winning R25-R26 designs.
The first thing that is apparent is that the front suspension remains a V Keel, which could leave Renault alone without Zero Keel this year - depending on Red Bull's direction).
This probably isn't a massive aerodynamic disadvantage and could even leave Renault with some options to alter their suspension geometry as the team learn the new Bridgestone tyres.
The curved element over the front wing appears larger than last year, while the bargeboards and monocoque shape appear to be carried over from 2006.
It is the sidepods that appear most changed, with their fronts now triangular in profile.
Most eye-catching are the pod wings which have the rear view mirrors neatly integrated into them.
But, how clear the view from the mirrors will be is debatable, as the fins are prone to vibration at speed.
Further along, the sidepods remain tightly waisted, leading the team to protrude the exhausts through the bodywork rather than having them cut flush as on the R26.[/QUOTE]
| Ferg | 01-16-2007 03:43 PM |
Found the Ferrari info...
[QUOTE][B]Technical analysis of the Ferrari F2007
[/B]
By Craig Scarborough Monday, January 15th 2007, 10:44 GMT
While the new Ferrari F2007 appears to maintain the 248 F1's design philosophies in many areas, the Italians have made major upgrades to the front and rear of the car.
And these changes place the car in line with the rest of the grid, in terms of design features.
At the front, Ferrari have ditched the single keel for a zero keel set-up. This raises the lower wishbones upwards for aerodynamic effect.
The change could be considered risky, as the team will need to maximise use of the new Bridgestone tyres with a very different suspension geometry.
In the past, several teams converting to zero keel have had to rework the geometry mid-season to better the suit tyres.
At the rear, the gearbox will feature a seamless shift. This was in development last year, when Ferrari assessed two systems, eventually choosing the simpler and lighter solution due to reliability.
Aerodynamically, the car follows in shape from last year's car - although the wings and some details will no doubt change before the first race.
The main areas that seem to have been developed are around the front of the sidepods. These now have even deeper undercuts and more complex vanes at floor level, in front of the sidepods.
Subtly altered are the pod wings on the upper shoulders of the sidepods and the cooling chimneys, which were kept on the car.
However, the chimneys appear to be so thin, it is highly doubtful if they provide any cooling at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Technical analysis of the Ferrari F2007
[/B]
By Craig Scarborough Monday, January 15th 2007, 10:44 GMT
While the new Ferrari F2007 appears to maintain the 248 F1's design philosophies in many areas, the Italians have made major upgrades to the front and rear of the car.
And these changes place the car in line with the rest of the grid, in terms of design features.
At the front, Ferrari have ditched the single keel for a zero keel set-up. This raises the lower wishbones upwards for aerodynamic effect.
The change could be considered risky, as the team will need to maximise use of the new Bridgestone tyres with a very different suspension geometry.
In the past, several teams converting to zero keel have had to rework the geometry mid-season to better the suit tyres.
At the rear, the gearbox will feature a seamless shift. This was in development last year, when Ferrari assessed two systems, eventually choosing the simpler and lighter solution due to reliability.
Aerodynamically, the car follows in shape from last year's car - although the wings and some details will no doubt change before the first race.
The main areas that seem to have been developed are around the front of the sidepods. These now have even deeper undercuts and more complex vanes at floor level, in front of the sidepods.
Subtly altered are the pod wings on the upper shoulders of the sidepods and the cooling chimneys, which were kept on the car.
However, the chimneys appear to be so thin, it is highly doubtful if they provide any cooling at all.[/QUOTE]
| StuBeck | 01-16-2007 04:54 PM |
Cool, good to see Ferrari finally switch over to the zero keel.
| artkevin | 01-16-2007 07:17 PM |
So whats up with the shroud over the rain lights?
[IMG]http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6418/r27cwe7.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73110148/large.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6418/r27cwe7.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73110148/large.jpg[/IMG]
| Scooby-Doode | 01-16-2007 08:38 PM |
The Williams car looks okay.. I think they are short on funding. I am very glad to see to the car is not naked at least. Sponsors like RBS, Lenovo, Petrobas and Oris surely will help Sir Williams. Crossing my fingers and hope they get good results this year.
| Scooby-Doode | 01-16-2007 08:43 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;16686906]Man have I missed alot the last few weeks. :(
I'll catch up.
[B]Ferrari's barge boards are scaring me[/B].[/QUOTE]
lol no kidding...
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73107925/large.jpg[/IMG]
I'll catch up.
[B]Ferrari's barge boards are scaring me[/B].[/QUOTE]
lol no kidding...
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
[IMG]http://www.pbase.com/image/73107925/large.jpg[/IMG]
| Ferg | 01-17-2007 09:19 AM |
Today McLaren (with Alonso) and BMW-Sauber are testing at Valencia while Renault (with two R27s :D), Williams, and Super Aguri are pounding around Jerez.
Reports when they hit the wires.
Reports when they hit the wires.
| artkevin | 01-17-2007 11:52 AM |
Hahaha!
Spyker thinks they are a real team. They held a ski event a la Ferrari.
[url]http://www.f1racing.net/en/gallery.php?catID=2213[/url]
My money is on Super Aguri to be higher placed at the end of the season. Spyker hasn't put a car on track since Brazil 06 as far as I know.
Spyker thinks they are a real team. They held a ski event a la Ferrari.
[url]http://www.f1racing.net/en/gallery.php?catID=2213[/url]
My money is on Super Aguri to be higher placed at the end of the season. Spyker hasn't put a car on track since Brazil 06 as far as I know.
| StuBeck | 01-17-2007 12:52 PM |
BAR would run a ski even ttoo, although I think it was more JV and CP than the team.
Midland is going to be last, SA was actually able to get somewhere with their 5 year old car, where Spyker wasn't with their new car.
Midland is going to be last, SA was actually able to get somewhere with their 5 year old car, where Spyker wasn't with their new car.
| TimStevens | 01-17-2007 12:54 PM |
It's generally well regarded in the games industry at least that those with the best press events usually have the least to show off :)
| Ferg | 01-17-2007 01:00 PM |
Testing reports.
[QUOTE][B]Alonso completes maiden MP4-22 test[/B]
Wednesday, January 17th 2007, 17:20 GMT
Fernando Alonso completed a promising first day of testing at the wheel of McLaren's new Formula One car at the Valencia circuit.
In what was only his second test with his new team, Alonso made his debut at the wheel of the MP4-22, completing 57 laps of the Spanish track.
The day was not without trouble, however, as Alonso was forced to return to the pits when smoke began to come out from the back of his McLaren around 3pm.
After around an hour, the world champion returned to the track and managed the fastest lap of the day with a time of 1:12.053.
A total of 7,800 fans attended the test to witness the local hero turn his first laps in McLaren's new car.
The BMW Sauber team completed their second day of work with the new F1.07 unveiled yesterday. German Nick Heidfeld completed 123 laps with the new car, while teammate Robert Kubica worked with an hybrid version.
There were two red flags during the day, the first caused by Alonso's engine problem and the second when Heidfeld stopped on track.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:12.053 57
2. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:12.169 52
3. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:12.571 123
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Fisichella quickest at Jerez
[/B]
Wednesday, January 17th 2007, 16:34 GMT
Giancarlo Fisichella finished on top of the times on his first day of serious testing with the new Renault R27 at the Jerez circuit.
Fisichella made his debut at the wheel of the car yesterday, but he only completed a shakedown and was hit by engine problems that cut his running short.
The session was more productive today, and the Italian covered a total of 114 trouble-free laps at the wheel of the R27. Fisichella was joined by teammate Heikki Kovalainen, who shook down the second R27 chassis, covering 43 laps.
"This is a brand new car, so to complete a full race distance on the first proper day of running, without any problems, is a very good achievement," said Fisichella. "It means that we are already in a strong position with reliability, although there is still a lot of work to do ahead of the first race.
"The track conditions were still not good today, but the situation is improving a little. It didn't matter so much today because we were focusing on reliability work, but tomorrow we will start to make some set-up changes. Overall, I still have a nice feeling with the car, and I can feel it has good potential that."
The Super Aguri team joined the Jerez test with Anthony Davidson at the wheel of the the Japanese squad's interim car, the Briton covering just one lap less than Fisichella and finishing less than a tenth behind.
Kazuki Nakajima continued carrying out testing duties for the Williams team, completing a massive 139 laps of the Spanish circuit at the wheel of the Toyota-powered car.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:20.193 114
2. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.266 113
3. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:20.393 139
4. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.617 43
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Alonso completes maiden MP4-22 test[/B]
Wednesday, January 17th 2007, 17:20 GMT
Fernando Alonso completed a promising first day of testing at the wheel of McLaren's new Formula One car at the Valencia circuit.
In what was only his second test with his new team, Alonso made his debut at the wheel of the MP4-22, completing 57 laps of the Spanish track.
The day was not without trouble, however, as Alonso was forced to return to the pits when smoke began to come out from the back of his McLaren around 3pm.
After around an hour, the world champion returned to the track and managed the fastest lap of the day with a time of 1:12.053.
A total of 7,800 fans attended the test to witness the local hero turn his first laps in McLaren's new car.
The BMW Sauber team completed their second day of work with the new F1.07 unveiled yesterday. German Nick Heidfeld completed 123 laps with the new car, while teammate Robert Kubica worked with an hybrid version.
There were two red flags during the day, the first caused by Alonso's engine problem and the second when Heidfeld stopped on track.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Alonso McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:12.053 57
2. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:12.169 52
3. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:12.571 123
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][B]Fisichella quickest at Jerez
[/B]
Wednesday, January 17th 2007, 16:34 GMT
Giancarlo Fisichella finished on top of the times on his first day of serious testing with the new Renault R27 at the Jerez circuit.
Fisichella made his debut at the wheel of the car yesterday, but he only completed a shakedown and was hit by engine problems that cut his running short.
The session was more productive today, and the Italian covered a total of 114 trouble-free laps at the wheel of the R27. Fisichella was joined by teammate Heikki Kovalainen, who shook down the second R27 chassis, covering 43 laps.
"This is a brand new car, so to complete a full race distance on the first proper day of running, without any problems, is a very good achievement," said Fisichella. "It means that we are already in a strong position with reliability, although there is still a lot of work to do ahead of the first race.
"The track conditions were still not good today, but the situation is improving a little. It didn't matter so much today because we were focusing on reliability work, but tomorrow we will start to make some set-up changes. Overall, I still have a nice feeling with the car, and I can feel it has good potential that."
The Super Aguri team joined the Jerez test with Anthony Davidson at the wheel of the the Japanese squad's interim car, the Briton covering just one lap less than Fisichella and finishing less than a tenth behind.
Kazuki Nakajima continued carrying out testing duties for the Williams team, completing a massive 139 laps of the Spanish circuit at the wheel of the Toyota-powered car.
Today's times:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Fisichella Renault (B) 1:20.193 114
2. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:20.266 113
3. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:20.393 139
4. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:20.617 43
All Timing Unofficial[/QUOTE]
| grippgoat | 01-17-2007 04:44 PM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;16699943]The day was not without trouble, however, as Alonso was forced to return to the pits when smoke began to come out from the back of his McLaren around 3pm.[/QUOTE]
And so it begins....
-Mike
And so it begins....
-Mike
| artkevin | 01-17-2007 05:16 PM |
I know its just testing but take a look at Super Aguri's times. Davidson was just under a tenth off of Fissy's time. Old SA and new teething Renault though.
| KAX | 01-17-2007 07:14 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;16704348]I know its just testing but take a look at Super Aguri's times. Davidson was just under a tenth off of Fissy's time. Old SA and new teething Renault though.[/QUOTE]
Yeh, but those are the same times they were running all throughout last seasons testing at Jerez. A normal front runner time at Jerez is in the 1:18-1:19 range.
Yeh, but those are the same times they were running all throughout last seasons testing at Jerez. A normal front runner time at Jerez is in the 1:18-1:19 range.
| StuBeck | 01-17-2007 08:23 PM |
Is that this years times? The new tyres are really supposed to be a lot slower.
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