| Wr4wrX | 07-04-2007 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani;18607962]Quite impressive ...
Did they actually moved that from France or do they have a spare?[/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly sure, but I think Silverstone is the first time McLaren are using their new motorhome.
Did they actually moved that from France or do they have a spare?[/QUOTE]
I'm not exactly sure, but I think Silverstone is the first time McLaren are using their new motorhome.
| OnTheGas | 07-04-2007 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18597373]...And please do not be so condescending, ...if you don't agree with me, that is fine, but don't make a statement trying to be helpful while also inferring I'm an idiot...[/QUOTE]Stu, you're correct, I was condescending, and that is inappropriate. I'm sorry about that.
Ken
Ken
| artkevin | 07-04-2007 05:44 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;18610147]Stu, you're correct, I was condescending, and that is inappropriate. I'm sorry about that.
Ken[/QUOTE]
Hugs all around
[IMG]http://4tenderheart.com/HUGS_008.gif[/IMG]
Ken[/QUOTE]
Hugs all around
[IMG]http://4tenderheart.com/HUGS_008.gif[/IMG]
| soldmyboxster | 07-05-2007 06:06 AM |
I barely searched, so this is probably a repost, but.....
Here's a CG reconstruction of Kubica's crash in Canada.
[url]http://dl.groovygecko.net/anon.groovy/clients/igentics/kubicaaccidentv5_vhb.mov[/url]
Notice the highlighted safety equipment.
Here's a CG reconstruction of Kubica's crash in Canada.
[url]http://dl.groovygecko.net/anon.groovy/clients/igentics/kubicaaccidentv5_vhb.mov[/url]
Notice the highlighted safety equipment.
| rupertberr | 07-05-2007 10:19 AM |
[QUOTE=soldmyboxster;18614652]I barely searched, so this is probably a repost, but.....
Here's a CG reconstruction of Kubica's crash in Canada.
[url]http://dl.groovygecko.net/anon.groovy/clients/igentics/kubicaaccidentv5_vhb.mov[/url]
Notice the highlighted safety equipment.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Pretty cool. Hadn't seen that before.
Here's a CG reconstruction of Kubica's crash in Canada.
[url]http://dl.groovygecko.net/anon.groovy/clients/igentics/kubicaaccidentv5_vhb.mov[/url]
Notice the highlighted safety equipment.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Pretty cool. Hadn't seen that before.
| BillT | 07-05-2007 10:56 AM |
If I was Stepney and McLaren, I would be much more worried about criminal charges than anything the FIA can do.
| StuBeck | 07-05-2007 11:36 AM |
The team can't be charged if they didn't set it up. Two Toyota mechanics stole documents but the team wasn't punished at all.
| rupertberr | 07-07-2007 10:25 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18616628]The team can't be charged if they didn't set it up. Two Toyota mechanics stole documents but the team wasn't punished at all.[/QUOTE]
This would suck:
[QUOTE]FIA not ruling out driver punishment
By Jonathan Noble Saturday, July 7th 2007, 12:07 GMT
The FIA has not ruled out taking action against Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso if McLaren are found to have been in breach of regulations over the Nigel Stepney spy saga.
McLaren's chief designer Mike Coughlan is currently being investigated after documents belonging to Ferrari were found in his possession. He has been suspended by the team.
And although Honda Racing's revelation yesterday that team boss Nick Fry met with Stepney and Coughlan to talk about possible jobs appears to vindicate McLaren's claims that they are an innocent party, the FIA has made it clear that it will take whatever action it feels is necessary if it finds them to have done something wrong.
An FIA spokesman told autosport.com that the investigation into McLaren was ongoing, and said that punishments could include action being taken against both the team and drivers.
"We cannot rule out action being taken in both (the drivers' and constructors') championships," said the spokesman. "We don't know when exactly the investigation will be finished, but it will certainly be within the next few weeks."
The FIA's stance on potential punishments comes despite Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone saying earlier in the week that Hamilton and Alonso would not face sanctions even if McLaren were found to have done something wrong.
Ecclestone told The Times: "If it (the information) was used, did it affect in any way the performance of the car and, if so, where? In that case they (the FIA) could take away constructors' points from the team.
"But there is no way it would affect the driver. It is nothing to do with the driver. He's got the car, he gets into the car, and he has no idea."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has said several times over the British Grand Prix weekend that he is confident the FIA will clear his team of any wrongdoing.
"I am absolutely confident that with the passing of time, and it is a little difficult to put any timing on it, you will see and the world will understand that McLaren's position is one that is reflective of our statements," he said.
"We have never to my knowledge, and certainly over the past few months over this period, ever used other people's intellectual property. It is not on our car. I am sure the FIA will confirm that either now or in the future, and that is the key message.
"We are both ourselves, the FIA and Ferrari, going through a very careful process. And I have a complete confidence in the outcome."[/QUOTE]
This would suck:
[QUOTE]FIA not ruling out driver punishment
By Jonathan Noble Saturday, July 7th 2007, 12:07 GMT
The FIA has not ruled out taking action against Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso if McLaren are found to have been in breach of regulations over the Nigel Stepney spy saga.
McLaren's chief designer Mike Coughlan is currently being investigated after documents belonging to Ferrari were found in his possession. He has been suspended by the team.
And although Honda Racing's revelation yesterday that team boss Nick Fry met with Stepney and Coughlan to talk about possible jobs appears to vindicate McLaren's claims that they are an innocent party, the FIA has made it clear that it will take whatever action it feels is necessary if it finds them to have done something wrong.
An FIA spokesman told autosport.com that the investigation into McLaren was ongoing, and said that punishments could include action being taken against both the team and drivers.
"We cannot rule out action being taken in both (the drivers' and constructors') championships," said the spokesman. "We don't know when exactly the investigation will be finished, but it will certainly be within the next few weeks."
The FIA's stance on potential punishments comes despite Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone saying earlier in the week that Hamilton and Alonso would not face sanctions even if McLaren were found to have done something wrong.
Ecclestone told The Times: "If it (the information) was used, did it affect in any way the performance of the car and, if so, where? In that case they (the FIA) could take away constructors' points from the team.
"But there is no way it would affect the driver. It is nothing to do with the driver. He's got the car, he gets into the car, and he has no idea."
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has said several times over the British Grand Prix weekend that he is confident the FIA will clear his team of any wrongdoing.
"I am absolutely confident that with the passing of time, and it is a little difficult to put any timing on it, you will see and the world will understand that McLaren's position is one that is reflective of our statements," he said.
"We have never to my knowledge, and certainly over the past few months over this period, ever used other people's intellectual property. It is not on our car. I am sure the FIA will confirm that either now or in the future, and that is the key message.
"We are both ourselves, the FIA and Ferrari, going through a very careful process. And I have a complete confidence in the outcome."[/QUOTE]
| OnTheGas | 07-07-2007 12:04 PM |
No worries!
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I would be surprised if McLaren gained anything from Stepney's docs. FIA will likely say there is no evidence that McLaren benefited.
Bernie is funny! Not sure why he said that FIA would not punish the driver's championship battle if their team was cheating... That makes no sense. :huh:
Bernie is funny! Not sure why he said that FIA would not punish the driver's championship battle if their team was cheating... That makes no sense. :huh:
| StuBeck | 07-07-2007 06:59 PM |
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, while its not the drivers fault, they did gain advantage.
From Honda talking though, it sounds more like Stephney and Coughlin were talking together and went to Honda with some of their designs trying to get a job, so nothing went to the McLaren's car.
From Honda talking though, it sounds more like Stephney and Coughlin were talking together and went to Honda with some of their designs trying to get a job, so nothing went to the McLaren's car.
| StuBeck | 07-07-2007 09:17 PM |
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60613[/url]
Very long read, but good interview with Stephney about what happened. Seems like some scary stuff has been happening in his personal life too.
Very long read, but good interview with Stephney about what happened. Seems like some scary stuff has been happening in his personal life too.
| Counterfit | 07-08-2007 02:37 AM |
Who wants to buy a [URL="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/7/6416.html"]$40,000 book[/URL]? It also weighs 37kg, covers .5m^2, and contains the autograph of every living world champion. (how many is that?)
| rupertberr | 07-09-2007 01:11 PM |
Looks like Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlan were thinking of going to Honda, so the documents were not ment for Mclaren.
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60680[/url]
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60680[/url]
| StuBeck | 07-09-2007 01:43 PM |
Yeah, Coughlan was already at McLaren, so it doesn't make sense for him to do that. They were setting up a team to move to Honda. It looks like a big smear campaign by Ferrari.
| OnTheGas | 07-09-2007 02:24 PM |
Curiouser, and curiouser...
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So one mystery that should be solved soon is how Ferrari docs ended up at Coughlan's home. Stepney denies that he is the origin of those docs.
Also, I don't understand who found the docs in Coughlan's home. Someone (Ferrari if I recall correctly) said that British police, or law enforcement, were not involved. So this is a civil (vs. a criminal) matter?
Also, I don't understand who found the docs in Coughlan's home. Someone (Ferrari if I recall correctly) said that British police, or law enforcement, were not involved. So this is a civil (vs. a criminal) matter?
| KAX | 07-09-2007 02:25 PM |
it was a tip from a non-ferrari team member, iirc. perhaps someone at honda who saw it happening but didnt agree with it.
| rupertberr | 07-09-2007 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18655118]Yeah, Coughlan was already at McLaren, so it doesn't make sense for him to do that. [/QUOTE]
Fixed what I meant to say.:p
Fixed what I meant to say.:p
| OnTheGas | 07-09-2007 02:44 PM |
[QUOTE=OnTheGas;18655770]...I don't understand who found the docs in Coughlan's home. Someone (Ferrari if I recall correctly) said that British police, or law enforcement, were not involved. So this is a civil (vs. a criminal) matter?[/QUOTE]OK, I didn't say that correctly.
There was a tip that Ferrari docs are in Coughlan's home, as KAX points out. But then was this confirmed by a 3rd party? Did someone go in to Coughlan's home and find these docs? If yes, who?
There was a tip that Ferrari docs are in Coughlan's home, as KAX points out. But then was this confirmed by a 3rd party? Did someone go in to Coughlan's home and find these docs? If yes, who?
| artkevin | 07-09-2007 04:52 PM |
Varsha said that someone a copy center close to Coughlan's home noticed a bunch of docs being copied with the Ferrari logo on it and called Ferrari. I haven't seen that written as of yet though.
| StuBeck | 07-09-2007 07:39 PM |
Yeah, thats how they found out. I think I read it somewhere, but don't know where.
| StuBeck | 07-10-2007 07:44 AM |
[quote=Autosport]Spyker confirm Albers split
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, July 10th 2007, 09:19 GMT
Christijan AlbersChristijan Albers has been dropped by the Spyker team with immediate effect, as autosport.com predicted last weekend.
The Dutchman has had a disappointing campaign, having been outpaced by teammate Adrian Sutil, and matters with the team reached a head when one of his sponsors failed to fulfil sponsorship payment deadlines.
Team principal Colin Kolles said: "This has been a very difficult decision. Christijan has started to find some form in the car, but the team's ambitious development programme has been seriously compromised by non-payment by one of his sponsors and we are faced with no other option."
Director of Spyker's Formula One project, Michiel Mol added: "The decision to replace Christijan is one of the hardest I have had to take since becoming involved in the team.
"By terminating the contract with Christijan and the subsequent entering into a new contract it enables Spyker F1 Ltd. to safeguard its strong financial footing needed to fulfil its technical and commercial goals.
"We do not expect this will have any adverse effect on Spyker F1's financial result this year.
"We would also like to stress this decision has nothing to do with Christijan's recent performances - we still have faith in his contribution as a driver - but the long-term future of the team is of paramount importance.
"We would like to thank Christijan for his input and wish him every success in the future."
Spyker have yet to confirm who will replace Albers from the European Grand Prix.[/quote]
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60687[/url]
Not that anyone didn't see this coming.
By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, July 10th 2007, 09:19 GMT
Christijan AlbersChristijan Albers has been dropped by the Spyker team with immediate effect, as autosport.com predicted last weekend.
The Dutchman has had a disappointing campaign, having been outpaced by teammate Adrian Sutil, and matters with the team reached a head when one of his sponsors failed to fulfil sponsorship payment deadlines.
Team principal Colin Kolles said: "This has been a very difficult decision. Christijan has started to find some form in the car, but the team's ambitious development programme has been seriously compromised by non-payment by one of his sponsors and we are faced with no other option."
Director of Spyker's Formula One project, Michiel Mol added: "The decision to replace Christijan is one of the hardest I have had to take since becoming involved in the team.
"By terminating the contract with Christijan and the subsequent entering into a new contract it enables Spyker F1 Ltd. to safeguard its strong financial footing needed to fulfil its technical and commercial goals.
"We do not expect this will have any adverse effect on Spyker F1's financial result this year.
"We would also like to stress this decision has nothing to do with Christijan's recent performances - we still have faith in his contribution as a driver - but the long-term future of the team is of paramount importance.
"We would like to thank Christijan for his input and wish him every success in the future."
Spyker have yet to confirm who will replace Albers from the European Grand Prix.[/quote]
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60687[/url]
Not that anyone didn't see this coming.
| NYEJ25 | 07-10-2007 08:12 AM |
Spyker should borrow Piquet Jr. from Renault.
| StuBeck | 07-10-2007 08:19 AM |
I don't think Nelson would want to go there. Even if he destroys Albers, he's still going to be far down the grid.
| NYEJ25 | 07-10-2007 08:35 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18664616]I don't think Nelson would want to go there. Even if he destroys Albers, he's still going to be far down the grid.[/QUOTE]
I know he is dieing to get a race ride and Kovi seems to have saved his job for the time being. I figured if they loaned Piquet to Spyker for the balance of the year, it would give the kid some race experience. I know it won't happen, but I'm dieing to see him get on the track and see what he can do. Between Piquet Jr., Hamilton, Kovi, and Rosberg, the future of the sport is very bright. I'm looking forward to future championship battles.
I know he is dieing to get a race ride and Kovi seems to have saved his job for the time being. I figured if they loaned Piquet to Spyker for the balance of the year, it would give the kid some race experience. I know it won't happen, but I'm dieing to see him get on the track and see what he can do. Between Piquet Jr., Hamilton, Kovi, and Rosberg, the future of the sport is very bright. I'm looking forward to future championship battles.
| ptclaus98 | 07-10-2007 09:35 AM |
[QUOTE=NYEJ25;18664704]I know he is dieing to get a race ride and Kovi seems to have saved his job for the time being. I figured if they loaned Piquet to Spyker for the balance of the year, it would give the kid some race experience. I know it won't happen, but I'm dieing to see him get on the track and see what he can do. Between Piquet Jr., Hamilton, Kovi, and Rosberg, the future of the sport is very bright. I'm looking forward to future championship battles.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget Kubica, the kid only survived one of the worst crashes in about 5 years, then came back to duke it out with Hamilton in a far better car.
Don't forget Kubica, the kid only survived one of the worst crashes in about 5 years, then came back to duke it out with Hamilton in a far better car.
| StuBeck | 07-10-2007 10:00 AM |
[QUOTE=NYEJ25;18664704]I know he is dieing to get a race ride and Kovi seems to have saved his job for the time being. I figured if they loaned Piquet to Spyker for the balance of the year, it would give the kid some race experience. I know it won't happen, but I'm dieing to see him get on the track and see what he can do. Between Piquet Jr., Hamilton, Kovi, and Rosberg, the future of the sport is very bright. I'm looking forward to future championship battles.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I think the problem is that after seeing Davidson's stock plummet this year, no one is going to go into a sub par team. I would like to see him racing too, but I don't know if there is a seat out there for him.
Yeah. I think the problem is that after seeing Davidson's stock plummet this year, no one is going to go into a sub par team. I would like to see him racing too, but I don't know if there is a seat out there for him.
| NYEJ25 | 07-10-2007 10:10 AM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;18665119]Don't forget Kubica, the kid only survived one of the worst crashes in about 5 years, then came back to duke it out with Hamilton in a far better car.[/QUOTE]
Very true, I forgot about him. He has a ton of talent also. The "changing of guards" that is occurring in the sport right now is very exciting.
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18665372]Yeah. I think the problem is that after seeing Davidson's stock plummet this year, no one is going to go into a sub par team. I would like to see him racing too, but I don't know if there is a seat out there for him.[/QUOTE]
That is true also. I think Davidson was over-hyped by the British media to begin with. No doubt the kid has talent, but I do not think that he is on the level of the other drivers I have named.
Very true, I forgot about him. He has a ton of talent also. The "changing of guards" that is occurring in the sport right now is very exciting.
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18665372]Yeah. I think the problem is that after seeing Davidson's stock plummet this year, no one is going to go into a sub par team. I would like to see him racing too, but I don't know if there is a seat out there for him.[/QUOTE]
That is true also. I think Davidson was over-hyped by the British media to begin with. No doubt the kid has talent, but I do not think that he is on the level of the other drivers I have named.
| BillT | 07-10-2007 10:43 AM |
Davidson was a bit of one-lap wonder in a relatively good car (the old Honda) and also had that backup quarterback likeability to him...now that he has to actually deliver, he can't out-drive Sato.
| bitterWRX | 07-10-2007 10:52 AM |
[QUOTE=BillT;18665838]Davidson was a bit of one-lap wonder in a relatively good car (the old Honda) and also had that backup quarterback likeability to him...now that he has to actually deliver, he can't out-drive Sato.[/QUOTE]
Well Sato isn't a horrible driver.
Well Sato isn't a horrible driver.
| BillT | 07-10-2007 11:40 AM |
[QUOTE=bitterWRX;18665942]Well Sato isn't a horrible driver.[/QUOTE]
No, but he is his teammate and one guy that he wants to always finish ahead of.
No, but he is his teammate and one guy that he wants to always finish ahead of.
| KAX | 07-12-2007 02:34 AM |
if your still interested in how they found the ferrari documents in Coughlan's home, someone at the copy shop saw his wife copying documents, then the police searched his home and found something like 800 pages of stuff. Looks like he was just fined 50,000 pounds, all according to f1racing.net
| BillT | 07-12-2007 08:10 AM |
Coughlan is also going to sing like a bird for Ferrari and the prosecuters...it'll be interesting to see who he implicates.
| occytron wrc | 07-12-2007 11:17 AM |
Looks like no more Indy according to espn.com
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=6&id=2933630"]http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=6&id=2933630[/URL]
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=6&id=2933630"]http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=6&id=2933630[/URL]
| TimStevens | 07-12-2007 11:30 AM |
Bad news :(
| KAX | 07-12-2007 11:47 AM |
possibly good news, we'll see if they chose to go elsewhere for the USGP. hopefully they dont get rid of it completely, but I honestly wont care much if they do.
| TimStevens | 07-12-2007 12:13 PM |
If they do I doubt they'd be back next year, but we'll see.
| occytron wrc | 07-12-2007 12:17 PM |
Most likely there will be no US GP next year as it does not seem any talks are far enough along to get it done in time. Maybe '09.
Fingers crossed for 2 GP's once they return to the US (if they do). USGP East and USGP West :)
Fingers crossed for 2 GP's once they return to the US (if they do). USGP East and USGP West :)
| StuBeck | 07-12-2007 12:27 PM |
The problem is that Indy is the only track which can realistically hold a GP. All of the tracks on the calendar lose money by hosting the race, it is the extra prestige (and money brought into the city) which makes it worthwhile to have a race. I really don't know of any track in the US which can really hold a GP though, either with money, or more importantly with safety. Most of the really awesome tracks we have simply can't hold up to the strict FIA safety rules.
| occytron wrc | 07-12-2007 12:32 PM |
And the interest in this country is just not as high as other parts of the world to justify the construction of a new track that would meet the FIA standards.
What about the USGP at Daytona, or Talladega :lol:
What about the USGP at Daytona, or Talladega :lol:
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-12-2007 12:38 PM |
Miller is close,he's said it's an ambition as well.
I was planning on going. :(
I was planning on going. :(
| JoD | 07-12-2007 12:42 PM |
I just sent an email of disgust to the IMS saying how disappointed I was with all parties involved.
JERKS!
JERKS!
| ptclaus98 | 07-12-2007 12:55 PM |
[QUOTE=JoD;18693083]I just sent an email of disgust to the IMS saying how disappointed I was with all parties involved.
JERKS![/QUOTE]
Well, its no secret that both Bernie and Tony are ***holes.
JERKS![/QUOTE]
Well, its no secret that both Bernie and Tony are ***holes.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-12-2007 12:57 PM |
Greed is a wonderful emotion?
| StuBeck | 07-12-2007 01:11 PM |
Its not greed if the other 16 tracks (including some from developing countries) are willing to pay it.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-12-2007 01:24 PM |
Then I guess we can blame it on our booming economy.
<Was planning on going in the next year or two :(
Now I'm not sure I want to be an F1 fan.
<Was planning on going in the next year or two :(
Now I'm not sure I want to be an F1 fan.
| StuBeck | 07-12-2007 01:28 PM |
Why not be a fan? Its two big ego's getting together, and Tony got slapped down. I'm assuming the race will happen somewhere else, and everything I've heard about Canada is its great. I hope its at a time next year when I can come though, since I'll be in Europe till June 13th or 14th.
| occytron wrc | 07-12-2007 01:31 PM |
I was planning on going soon as well. Maybe this will help convince the wife that a trip to Europe is the only way to go...
Another intersting article about the spy saga. Maybe McLaren had the info before April as they originally claimed.
[URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737"]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737[/URL]
Another intersting article about the spy saga. Maybe McLaren had the info before April as they originally claimed.
[URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737"]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737[/URL]
| BillT | 07-12-2007 04:37 PM |
Things are looking to bright for McLaren in the latest twist of the saga...
[url]http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2491960,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_2491960,00.html[/url]
| StuBeck | 07-12-2007 07:07 PM |
Just as a general notice, but I stopped using planet-f1 and f1racing after last year. F1 racing puts out things they think are true as fact (claimed Doornbos was going to be at Red Bull much earlier in the year then he actually was, they were wrong on other things too.) Autosport is much better imo.
Planet f1 is just too tabloidy for my tastes.
Planet f1 is just too tabloidy for my tastes.
| BillT | 07-12-2007 08:06 PM |
Ok...here's the same story from Formula1.com
[url]http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/7/6457.html[/url]
Planet F1 is a bit tabloid-y but in the case of this story, they seem to be in line with more official sources.
[url]http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/7/6457.html[/url]
Planet F1 is a bit tabloid-y but in the case of this story, they seem to be in line with more official sources.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-13-2007 12:09 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;18693778]Why not be a fan? [/QUOTE]
I like to feel wanted.
I like to feel wanted.
| OnTheGas | 07-13-2007 01:36 AM |
Oh the drama!
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So I'm away for a few days, and now McLaren is vulnerable... very vulnerable.
McLaren, "[URL="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/7/6457.html"]have been called (by FIA) to answer a charge that between March and July 2007... McLaren... had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to... Ferrari...[/URL]"
Autosport's Jonathon Noble notes that two things are highly significant in FIA's statement. [B]First[/B], McLaren has been charged w/having the Ferrari docs since March. He provides a little historical perspective... "[URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737"]It was at the... Australian Grand Prix in March that McLaren famously asked for a rule clarification about the moveable floor on the Ferrari - and... forced a rule change from the FIA... The moveable floor controversy was widely believed to have hindered Ferrari in their fight against McLaren.[/URL]"
[B]Second[/B], and perhaps more significant... If "[URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737"]the FIA do find McLaren guilty... (t)he FIA International Sporting Code lists a scale of penalties... that... go from a reprimand, fines and time penalties, to [B]exclusion, suspension and disqualification[/B].
And perhaps it is significant that the latter three most serious penalties can only be handed down only if the party in question has been: "summoned to give them the opportunity of presenting their defence[/URL]."
So the next race is July 22nd. Then the following Thursday, July 26, all the marbles will be on the table for McLaren when the present themselves to FIA in Paris. I hope they will be able to participate a few days later at Hungarian GP.
Mosley is not afraid to lay out the big penalties... Recently this thread suffered as some of us shared our varied opinions (and crack pot theories... oops! j/k :D ) about Indy '05 when Mosley did not back down an inch when the Michelin runners pleaded w/him to somehow accomodate them so they may run. Result: a 6 car race. Prior to that, we had Honda unable to pass inspection at San Marino due to failing to empty their fuel tanks during post-race inspections. Mosley tossed Honda out of F1 for two whole races (Spain & Monaco), and then he indicated that they were lucky to get away w/that penalty. Mosley carries a big stick. Granted, the political air in F1 was much more poisionous then, but the point still has validity.
If one starts to imagine the worst thing that could happen... it gets pretty horrible. If this controversy featured a team from the bottom end of the grid, such as Spyker, or Toyota, it would be bad enough. But we're in the middle of a fabulous four way dog fight for the championship featuring an extraordinary rookie, a two time world champion, a driver who some believe should have been champion at least once already, and a driver who is emerging from the shadows as a former number two to Michael and is now really shining. This could kill that battle... quickly. Bah!
McLaren, "[URL="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/7/6457.html"]have been called (by FIA) to answer a charge that between March and July 2007... McLaren... had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to... Ferrari...[/URL]"
Autosport's Jonathon Noble notes that two things are highly significant in FIA's statement. [B]First[/B], McLaren has been charged w/having the Ferrari docs since March. He provides a little historical perspective... "[URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737"]It was at the... Australian Grand Prix in March that McLaren famously asked for a rule clarification about the moveable floor on the Ferrari - and... forced a rule change from the FIA... The moveable floor controversy was widely believed to have hindered Ferrari in their fight against McLaren.[/URL]"
[B]Second[/B], and perhaps more significant... If "[URL="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/60737"]the FIA do find McLaren guilty... (t)he FIA International Sporting Code lists a scale of penalties... that... go from a reprimand, fines and time penalties, to [B]exclusion, suspension and disqualification[/B].
And perhaps it is significant that the latter three most serious penalties can only be handed down only if the party in question has been: "summoned to give them the opportunity of presenting their defence[/URL]."
So the next race is July 22nd. Then the following Thursday, July 26, all the marbles will be on the table for McLaren when the present themselves to FIA in Paris. I hope they will be able to participate a few days later at Hungarian GP.
Mosley is not afraid to lay out the big penalties... Recently this thread suffered as some of us shared our varied opinions (and crack pot theories... oops! j/k :D ) about Indy '05 when Mosley did not back down an inch when the Michelin runners pleaded w/him to somehow accomodate them so they may run. Result: a 6 car race. Prior to that, we had Honda unable to pass inspection at San Marino due to failing to empty their fuel tanks during post-race inspections. Mosley tossed Honda out of F1 for two whole races (Spain & Monaco), and then he indicated that they were lucky to get away w/that penalty. Mosley carries a big stick. Granted, the political air in F1 was much more poisionous then, but the point still has validity.
If one starts to imagine the worst thing that could happen... it gets pretty horrible. If this controversy featured a team from the bottom end of the grid, such as Spyker, or Toyota, it would be bad enough. But we're in the middle of a fabulous four way dog fight for the championship featuring an extraordinary rookie, a two time world champion, a driver who some believe should have been champion at least once already, and a driver who is emerging from the shadows as a former number two to Michael and is now really shining. This could kill that battle... quickly. Bah!
| OnTheGas | 07-13-2007 02:04 AM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;18700900]I like to feel wanted.[/QUOTE]
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[B][CENTER]There's no crying in F1![/CENTER][/B]
[CENTER][IMG]http://www.chrisbusch.com/images/hanks.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER]
[B][CENTER]There's no crying in F1![/CENTER][/B]
| TimStevens | 07-13-2007 03:31 AM |
Ugh...could you imagine if Hamilton's dream season gets screwed up by some sort of team suspension?
| artkevin | 07-13-2007 02:40 PM |
If McLaren directly gained from the knowledge that they gained through this crap then they should be punished. If they can prove that direct link and knowledge.
As Tim said, it would be a complete shame if such a wonderful season gets trashed because of this.
As Tim said, it would be a complete shame if such a wonderful season gets trashed because of this.
| BillT | 07-13-2007 02:58 PM |
I don't think they even necessarily had to gain anything from the information for them to have punishment. I think the pivotal issue is whether Coughlan was acting totally alone with regards to the Ferrari info or did others in the McLaren organization know about it and do nothing to report it.
While I do believe Ron Dennis in that the McLaren car doesn't have any Ferrari designed parts on it, it isn't way too much of a stretch to think that McLaren didn't gain any kind of advantage by having documentation of the inn's and out's of Ferrari's 2007 racing package.
While I do believe Ron Dennis in that the McLaren car doesn't have any Ferrari designed parts on it, it isn't way too much of a stretch to think that McLaren didn't gain any kind of advantage by having documentation of the inn's and out's of Ferrari's 2007 racing package.
| artkevin | 07-13-2007 03:45 PM |
Right, I was referring to Coughlan acting alone OR acting under orders. I stated it incorrectly.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-13-2007 04:06 PM |
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[B][CENTER]There's no crying in F1![/CENTER][/B][/QUOTE]
Tell that to Mr. Massa.
Am I crying?
I don't think so.
Sporst cars are more entertaining. Even Nascar can be.
[B][CENTER]There's no crying in F1![/CENTER][/B][/QUOTE]
Tell that to Mr. Massa.
Am I crying?
I don't think so.
Sporst cars are more entertaining. Even Nascar can be.
| StuBeck | 07-13-2007 05:35 PM |
I think it was a joke, just like your comment seemed to be.
I think this could blow in Ferrari's face if nothing comes from it, and even if it does. From what Windsor said it happens all the time. Next time any of the other teams learn something about Ferrari, you might see them pulling action against them where they normally wouldn't.
I think this could blow in Ferrari's face if nothing comes from it, and even if it does. From what Windsor said it happens all the time. Next time any of the other teams learn something about Ferrari, you might see them pulling action against them where they normally wouldn't.
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 07-13-2007 06:02 PM |
It's going to be hard to not be a fan, I'm a racing freak.
It just makes me dis-like teh non-racing aspect of F1 even more.
So far from grassroots, when people really care about racing. Sure business is business. but that can only go so far for fans. (hocky lockout?)
It just makes me dis-like teh non-racing aspect of F1 even more.
So far from grassroots, when people really care about racing. Sure business is business. but that can only go so far for fans. (hocky lockout?)
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