| KAX | 09-24-2007 01:29 PM |
theres no way Alonso would go to ferrari.
| StuBeck | 09-24-2007 04:24 PM |
It won't happen, he'll go back to Renault and be the top dog, but won't go to a team with arguably a FASTER driver.
| soldmyboxster | 09-24-2007 05:14 PM |
Exactly....if Alonso thinks racing a rookie is hard, imagine racing a seasoned winner....and his greatest competition....with the exact same equipment. For Fern to go to Ferrari, Kimi must leave, and maybe Massa as well.
I think Fern could handle Massa, since Ferrari has a legacy of nominating a #1 driver.
I think Fern could handle Massa, since Ferrari has a legacy of nominating a #1 driver.
| mac35 | 09-25-2007 12:31 AM |
[url]http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-alonso-to-ferrari-for-40-mil/[/url]
The rumor gains some credibility...
The rumor gains some credibility...
| thejaredhuang | 09-25-2007 04:03 AM |
[QUOTE=mac35;19482958][url]http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/24/breaking-alonso-to-ferrari-for-40-mil/[/url]
The rumor gains some credibility...[/QUOTE]
Autoblog just regurgitates F1 news, they don't have any first hand sources.
I find it really hard to believe that Alonso will go to Ferrari. Not only will he have to fight to be #1, but IIRC he was going to sign with Ferrari in 04 but backed out at the last moment to sign with Renault.
As for MSC, if his engine didn't go in Suzuka he probably would have 8 titles.
The rumor gains some credibility...[/QUOTE]
Autoblog just regurgitates F1 news, they don't have any first hand sources.
I find it really hard to believe that Alonso will go to Ferrari. Not only will he have to fight to be #1, but IIRC he was going to sign with Ferrari in 04 but backed out at the last moment to sign with Renault.
As for MSC, if his engine didn't go in Suzuka he probably would have 8 titles.
| chkltcow | 09-25-2007 05:00 PM |
Mosley opened his mouth and spewed nonsense again today.
[url]http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25092007/23/mosley-jackie-stewart-halfwit.html[/url]
[quote]FIA boss Max Mosley has called former triple world champion Jackie Stewart a "certified halfwit" during a tirade in response to the Scot's criticisms of the �50m fine handed down to McLaren in the wake of the F1 Spying Scandal, The Mail on Sunday is reporting.
Stewart was one of the most prominent protesting voices over the way the WMSC handled the spying allegations and, following their decision to fine McLaren, declared the sanction "unjustifiable".
Mosley responded at a 'media lunch' on Monday: "There's one particular ex-driver who because he never stops talking, never has the chance to listen - so he doesn't know what's going on.
"He said the FIA's decision would not have worked in a civil court. He has no qualification to say that.
"Then he starts saying this is personal between me and Ron Dennis, at great length, because everything he does is at extreme length.
"It's annoying that some of the sponsors listen to him because he's won a few championships. But nobody else in Formula One does - not the teams, not the drivers. He's a figure of fun among drivers.
Presumably referring to the tartan trousers and matching hat Stewart wears to GPs, the President of the FIA added, "He goes round dressed up as a 1930s music hall man. He's a certified halfwit."
Mosley, who has never made any secret of his desire to see Hamilton and Alonso thrown out of the driver's championship, again claimed that the decision to exclude the team from the Constructors Championship wasn't personal and that he doesn't "hate" Ron Dennis. [/quote]
Certified halfwit.... nice
[url]http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25092007/23/mosley-jackie-stewart-halfwit.html[/url]
[quote]FIA boss Max Mosley has called former triple world champion Jackie Stewart a "certified halfwit" during a tirade in response to the Scot's criticisms of the �50m fine handed down to McLaren in the wake of the F1 Spying Scandal, The Mail on Sunday is reporting.
Stewart was one of the most prominent protesting voices over the way the WMSC handled the spying allegations and, following their decision to fine McLaren, declared the sanction "unjustifiable".
Mosley responded at a 'media lunch' on Monday: "There's one particular ex-driver who because he never stops talking, never has the chance to listen - so he doesn't know what's going on.
"He said the FIA's decision would not have worked in a civil court. He has no qualification to say that.
"Then he starts saying this is personal between me and Ron Dennis, at great length, because everything he does is at extreme length.
"It's annoying that some of the sponsors listen to him because he's won a few championships. But nobody else in Formula One does - not the teams, not the drivers. He's a figure of fun among drivers.
Presumably referring to the tartan trousers and matching hat Stewart wears to GPs, the President of the FIA added, "He goes round dressed up as a 1930s music hall man. He's a certified halfwit."
Mosley, who has never made any secret of his desire to see Hamilton and Alonso thrown out of the driver's championship, again claimed that the decision to exclude the team from the Constructors Championship wasn't personal and that he doesn't "hate" Ron Dennis. [/quote]
Certified halfwit.... nice
| speedyHAM | 09-25-2007 06:12 PM |
Wow- just wow.
Wouldn't it be nice if teams didn't cheat- ever, and just put everything into racing cleanly?
Wouldn't it be nice if teams didn't cheat- ever, and just put everything into racing cleanly?
| artkevin | 09-25-2007 07:11 PM |
No one listens to Stewart? Really? Not RBS, not Nico Rosberg, not Lewis Hamilton, not Williams. Man, I bet they would all be surprised to hear that.
Mosely gets under my skin sometimes.
Mosely gets under my skin sometimes.
| Counterfit | 09-26-2007 03:45 AM |
[QUOTE=speedyHAM;19491329]Wow- just wow.
Wouldn't it be nice if teams didn't cheat- ever, and just put everything into racing cleanly?[/QUOTE]
I tried to find a picture or video of the London Silly Nannies, but I couldn't. :(
Wouldn't it be nice if teams didn't cheat- ever, and just put everything into racing cleanly?[/QUOTE]
I tried to find a picture or video of the London Silly Nannies, but I couldn't. :(
| StuBeck | 09-26-2007 03:52 AM |
[QUOTE=Ferg;19464941]He was in a Minardi PS01, the only thing that car did well was block other cars. :lol:
I can't remember (Stu?) but I think the PS01 was another case of a resurrected Arrows chassis...[/QUOTE]
The PS01 was a completely new chassis, Arrows still existed at that time and Minardi built the car in six weeks.
I can't remember (Stu?) but I think the PS01 was another case of a resurrected Arrows chassis...[/QUOTE]
The PS01 was a completely new chassis, Arrows still existed at that time and Minardi built the car in six weeks.
| StuBeck | 09-26-2007 03:55 AM |
[QUOTE=thejaredhuang;19484031]
As for MSC, if his engine didn't go in Suzuka he probably would have 8 titles.[/QUOTE]
And if he hadn't parked the car in qualifying he would have probably won 8 titles, or if Alonso's engine hadn't blown in Monza he wouldn't have won.
There are so many variables into winning a championship that trying to put it all down to one event is over simplifying things.
As for MSC, if his engine didn't go in Suzuka he probably would have 8 titles.[/QUOTE]
And if he hadn't parked the car in qualifying he would have probably won 8 titles, or if Alonso's engine hadn't blown in Monza he wouldn't have won.
There are so many variables into winning a championship that trying to put it all down to one event is over simplifying things.
| meebs | 09-26-2007 11:26 PM |
[QUOTE=speedyHAM;19491329]Wow- just wow.
Wouldn't it be nice if teams didn't cheat- ever, and just put everything into racing cleanly?[/QUOTE]
Please no... the extreme competition on all levels is one of the many reasons why I (we?) watch...
Wouldn't it be nice if teams didn't cheat- ever, and just put everything into racing cleanly?[/QUOTE]
Please no... the extreme competition on all levels is one of the many reasons why I (we?) watch...
| Ferg | 09-27-2007 10:32 AM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19496335]The PS01 was a completely new chassis, Arrows still existed at that time and Minardi built the car in six weeks.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Stu! :D
Thanks Stu! :D
| Dogbert2 | 09-27-2007 10:52 AM |
The rumours get more wild.
[QUOTE]Rumours linking Felipe Massa to Toyota for 2008 took a fresh twist on Thursday in Japan.
While the Brazilian driver denied visiting the motorhome of the Japanese team in Belgium, and any knowledge of his manager's visit, it is suggested that Nicolas Todt's mission may have been wider than simply lining up a new drive for his Brazilian charge.
Citing Italian sources, the Cologne publication Express claims that Massa's manager may have been operating on behalf of his father; Ferrari principal Jean Todt.
It is speculated that Todt has fallen out with Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo, including over the latter's desire to pair Fernando Alonso alongside Kimi Raikkonen next season.
Todt Snr, Jnr and Massa, therefore, might be eyeing Toyota for refuge.
Massa, though, bluntly rubbished suggestions that he is switching to Toyota when speaking to reporters at Fuji.
"I am really happy in Ferrari and I would like to finish my career in Ferrari," he said.
Massa, however, confirmed reports that he may now play a supporting role at Ferrari so that Raikkonen has the best possible chance to win the drivers' title.
"I don't have any problem to help the team if I have no chance," he said. "But at the moment, I still have a chance of taking the title."
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Rumours linking Felipe Massa to Toyota for 2008 took a fresh twist on Thursday in Japan.
While the Brazilian driver denied visiting the motorhome of the Japanese team in Belgium, and any knowledge of his manager's visit, it is suggested that Nicolas Todt's mission may have been wider than simply lining up a new drive for his Brazilian charge.
Citing Italian sources, the Cologne publication Express claims that Massa's manager may have been operating on behalf of his father; Ferrari principal Jean Todt.
It is speculated that Todt has fallen out with Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo, including over the latter's desire to pair Fernando Alonso alongside Kimi Raikkonen next season.
Todt Snr, Jnr and Massa, therefore, might be eyeing Toyota for refuge.
Massa, though, bluntly rubbished suggestions that he is switching to Toyota when speaking to reporters at Fuji.
"I am really happy in Ferrari and I would like to finish my career in Ferrari," he said.
Massa, however, confirmed reports that he may now play a supporting role at Ferrari so that Raikkonen has the best possible chance to win the drivers' title.
"I don't have any problem to help the team if I have no chance," he said. "But at the moment, I still have a chance of taking the title."
[/QUOTE]
| Counterfit | 09-28-2007 12:30 AM |
Hmm, I just thought of this scenario. It's extremely unlikely, but I suppose theoretically possible. here it is:
On the occasion of two drivers setting the same lap time in qualifying, the position in question goes to whoever set the time first. Now, if the near-impossible happens, and they set the lap at the same time, who gets the position?
On the occasion of two drivers setting the same lap time in qualifying, the position in question goes to whoever set the time first. Now, if the near-impossible happens, and they set the lap at the same time, who gets the position?
| TimStevens | 09-28-2007 06:55 AM |
Everybody leaves the circuit and goes to buy a lottery ticket.
| chkltcow | 09-28-2007 07:56 AM |
[QUOTE=Counterfit;19520152]Hmm, I just thought of this scenario. It's extremely unlikely, but I suppose theoretically possible. here it is:
On the occasion of two drivers setting the same lap time in qualifying, the position in question goes to whoever set the time first. Now, if the near-impossible happens, and they set the lap at the same time, who gets the position?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't setting the lap at the same time require crossing the finish line side by side not just once, but twice.... once to start the clock and once to stop it?
On the occasion of two drivers setting the same lap time in qualifying, the position in question goes to whoever set the time first. Now, if the near-impossible happens, and they set the lap at the same time, who gets the position?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't setting the lap at the same time require crossing the finish line side by side not just once, but twice.... once to start the clock and once to stop it?
| KAX | 09-28-2007 12:45 PM |
correct. what i would guess would happen would be they take the next fastest time that they set in Q3 and go from there.
| chkltcow | 09-28-2007 01:01 PM |
[QUOTE=KAX;19524461]correct. what i would guess would happen would be they take the next fastest time that they set in Q3 and go from there.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to say it would be impossible to do it at the same time because it would require the cars to be able to drive close together in a pack, and as we've seen... F1 cars can't do that :)
It's like asking what would happen if a snake and a mongoose mated :) It's physically impossible to begin with, but just getting them near each other is almost as bad :lol:
I'm trying to say it would be impossible to do it at the same time because it would require the cars to be able to drive close together in a pack, and as we've seen... F1 cars can't do that :)
It's like asking what would happen if a snake and a mongoose mated :) It's physically impossible to begin with, but just getting them near each other is almost as bad :lol:
| artkevin | 10-01-2007 02:21 PM |
I'm okay with this....
[B]Ralf Schumacher to leave Toyota[/B]
01 October 2007
Ralf Schumacher will leave Toyota at the end of the 2007, the younger brother of seven-time champion Michael Schumacher announced today ending months of speculation about his future with the Cologne-based team.
Click here
Having been a Toyota driver for the past three years, I've decided to look for a new challenge," said Ralf who has struggled for most of this season.
"I joined Toyota with high expectations," he added. "It was an exciting challenge to be involved in developing a new car and team, but I am waiting for years for a competitive car."
There is no word on whether he will be able to find another seat for next season, and Ralf is not intending to make any kind of additional statement about his future until after the end of this season.
[B]Ralf Schumacher to leave Toyota[/B]
01 October 2007
Ralf Schumacher will leave Toyota at the end of the 2007, the younger brother of seven-time champion Michael Schumacher announced today ending months of speculation about his future with the Cologne-based team.
Click here
Having been a Toyota driver for the past three years, I've decided to look for a new challenge," said Ralf who has struggled for most of this season.
"I joined Toyota with high expectations," he added. "It was an exciting challenge to be involved in developing a new car and team, but I am waiting for years for a competitive car."
There is no word on whether he will be able to find another seat for next season, and Ralf is not intending to make any kind of additional statement about his future until after the end of this season.
| richde | 10-01-2007 02:28 PM |
In the ITV coverage of Fuji, they asked Todt about his lineup in 2008.
He basically said Ferrari have the same two contracted drivers for 2008 and are happy with them.
Silly season, gotta love it.
He basically said Ferrari have the same two contracted drivers for 2008 and are happy with them.
Silly season, gotta love it.
| rupertberr | 10-01-2007 02:29 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19551527]I'm okay with this....
[B]Ralf Schumacher to leave Toyota[/B]
[/QUOTE]
Damn. That's all we need, another NASCAR driver. So with Toyota out it must be a Chevy or a Ford?:D
[B]Ralf Schumacher to leave Toyota[/B]
[/QUOTE]
Damn. That's all we need, another NASCAR driver. So with Toyota out it must be a Chevy or a Ford?:D
| KAX | 10-01-2007 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19524630]I'm trying to say it would be impossible to do it at the same time because it would require the cars to be able to drive close together in a pack, and as we've seen... F1 cars can't do that :)
It's like asking what would happen if a snake and a mongoose mated :) It's physically impossible to begin with, but just getting them near each other is almost as bad :lol:[/QUOTE]
not necessarily. different cars are good in different sectors. Hypothetically, the ferrari would pull away a bit in sector 1 and then the mclaren would catch up in sector 3 finishing side-by-side. It would be damn near impossible and completely unlikely, but possible. 2 drivers finished with the exact same time in a rally once, after 3 days of driving, thats pretty unlikely, but it happened.
It's like asking what would happen if a snake and a mongoose mated :) It's physically impossible to begin with, but just getting them near each other is almost as bad :lol:[/QUOTE]
not necessarily. different cars are good in different sectors. Hypothetically, the ferrari would pull away a bit in sector 1 and then the mclaren would catch up in sector 3 finishing side-by-side. It would be damn near impossible and completely unlikely, but possible. 2 drivers finished with the exact same time in a rally once, after 3 days of driving, thats pretty unlikely, but it happened.
| ptclaus98 | 10-01-2007 04:07 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19551527]I'm okay with this....
[B]Ralf Schumacher to leave Toyota[/B]
01 October 2007
Ralf Schumacher will leave Toyota at the end of the 2007, the younger brother of seven-time champion Michael Schumacher announced today ending months of speculation about his future with the Cologne-based team.
Click here
Having been a Toyota driver for the past three years, I've decided to look for a new challenge," said Ralf who has struggled for most of this season.
"I joined Toyota with high expectations," he added. "It was an exciting challenge to be involved in developing a new car and team, [B]but I am waiting for years for a competitive car."[/B]
There is no word on whether he will be able to find another seat for next season, and Ralf is not intending to make any kind of additional statement about his future until after the end of this season.[/QUOTE]
Don't act like you didn't get your shot, Ralfie.
[B]Ralf Schumacher to leave Toyota[/B]
01 October 2007
Ralf Schumacher will leave Toyota at the end of the 2007, the younger brother of seven-time champion Michael Schumacher announced today ending months of speculation about his future with the Cologne-based team.
Click here
Having been a Toyota driver for the past three years, I've decided to look for a new challenge," said Ralf who has struggled for most of this season.
"I joined Toyota with high expectations," he added. "It was an exciting challenge to be involved in developing a new car and team, [B]but I am waiting for years for a competitive car."[/B]
There is no word on whether he will be able to find another seat for next season, and Ralf is not intending to make any kind of additional statement about his future until after the end of this season.[/QUOTE]
Don't act like you didn't get your shot, Ralfie.
| TimStevens | 10-01-2007 05:14 PM |
I seem to remember him in a reasonably competitive blue and white car there ... perhaps he doesn't?
| artkevin | 10-01-2007 05:37 PM |
I seem to remember the said blue and white cars gunning for the WDC & WCC while he and a little Columbian were there...
| StuBeck | 10-01-2007 06:38 PM |
And while that was happening, he wasn't doing **** in either category.
| wvallwheeldrive | 10-01-2007 08:23 PM |
is is to late for a Scott Speed to Toyota rumor :)
| meebs | 10-01-2007 09:20 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive;19555564]is is to late for a Scott Speed to Toyota rumor :)[/QUOTE]
While we're at it, there seems to be an opening seat in a car with a silberpfeil-grau color scheme.
hmmmmmmm.... :alien:
While we're at it, there seems to be an opening seat in a car with a silberpfeil-grau color scheme.
hmmmmmmm.... :alien:
| WorstNameEver | 10-01-2007 10:12 PM |
Do they usually show the race live on speed or am i better off watching the ITV coverage for sunday's race?
| meebs | 10-02-2007 12:11 AM |
[QUOTE=WorstNameEver;19556733]Do they usually show the race live on speed or am i better off watching the ITV coverage for sunday's race?[/QUOTE]
Personal preference I suppose, but I like Hobbo and co. for announcing. That and speed shows live coverage of second practice, qualy, and the race.
Personal preference I suppose, but I like Hobbo and co. for announcing. That and speed shows live coverage of second practice, qualy, and the race.
| artkevin | 10-02-2007 08:49 AM |
HAHAHHAHAHAHA!
I have no idea what he is talking about. I think Luca is effing crazy.
[B]
Ferrari: Hamilton title would be tainted[/B]
Tuesday, October 2nd 2007, 08:22 GMT
Lewis Hamilton will have to thank Ferrari if he wins the Formula One title in China this weekend, according to the Italian team's president Luca di Montezemolo.
"I still think that in the spying affair it was a big mistake not to disqualify the McLaren drivers as well," the Gazzetta dello Sport web site quoted him as saying after Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix.
"It means that if Hamilton wins the championship, he will also win it thanks to Ferrari because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car."
McLaren were fined $100 million and stripped of all their constructors' points by the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) last month for having Ferrari technical information in their possession.
However, the drivers escaped sanctions because the FIA said they had been granted an amnesty in exchange for providing evidence.
Hamilton, 22, can become the first rookie to win the championship as well as the youngest world champion if he wins this Sunday's penultimate race of the season in Shanghai.
The Briton leads teammate and double world champion Fernando Alonso by 12 points after the Spaniard crashed in Fuji.
Ferrari have won the constructors' championship.
I have no idea what he is talking about. I think Luca is effing crazy.
[B]
Ferrari: Hamilton title would be tainted[/B]
Tuesday, October 2nd 2007, 08:22 GMT
Lewis Hamilton will have to thank Ferrari if he wins the Formula One title in China this weekend, according to the Italian team's president Luca di Montezemolo.
"I still think that in the spying affair it was a big mistake not to disqualify the McLaren drivers as well," the Gazzetta dello Sport web site quoted him as saying after Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix.
"It means that if Hamilton wins the championship, he will also win it thanks to Ferrari because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car."
McLaren were fined $100 million and stripped of all their constructors' points by the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) last month for having Ferrari technical information in their possession.
However, the drivers escaped sanctions because the FIA said they had been granted an amnesty in exchange for providing evidence.
Hamilton, 22, can become the first rookie to win the championship as well as the youngest world champion if he wins this Sunday's penultimate race of the season in Shanghai.
The Briton leads teammate and double world champion Fernando Alonso by 12 points after the Spaniard crashed in Fuji.
Ferrari have won the constructors' championship.
| Don Arm | 10-02-2007 09:19 AM |
Typical whiney ass Ferrari. Like they haven't received multiple gifts from the FIA and Bernie over the years. If Ferrari is not winning people aren't going to watch F1 :rolleyes:
| StuBeck | 10-02-2007 10:33 AM |
They are retarded. This is exactly why I hate Ferrari.
| chkltcow | 10-02-2007 10:34 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin;19559871]HAHAHHAHAHAHA!
I have no idea what he is talking about. I think Luca is effing crazy.
[b]"It means that if Hamilton wins the championship, he will also win it thanks to Ferrari because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car."[/b]
McLaren were fined $100 million and stripped of all their constructors' points by the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) last month for having Ferrari technical information in their possession.
[/QUOTE]
Okay, so we can all agree that they had technical information in their possession. That's a closed case at this point. I would LOVE to see them prove that Hamilton or Alonso "have a lot of Ferrari in their cars" :rolleyes:
I've never been a big fan of Ferrari, but I think I grow to dislike them more and more every time someone from their team speaks.
I have no idea what he is talking about. I think Luca is effing crazy.
[b]"It means that if Hamilton wins the championship, he will also win it thanks to Ferrari because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car."[/b]
McLaren were fined $100 million and stripped of all their constructors' points by the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) last month for having Ferrari technical information in their possession.
[/QUOTE]
Okay, so we can all agree that they had technical information in their possession. That's a closed case at this point. I would LOVE to see them prove that Hamilton or Alonso "have a lot of Ferrari in their cars" :rolleyes:
I've never been a big fan of Ferrari, but I think I grow to dislike them more and more every time someone from their team speaks.
| richde | 10-02-2007 11:19 AM |
During ITV's coverage, they asked Hamilton about Alonso's loyalty to the team, which he said Alonso had none, apparently because he testified against them at the FIA hearings.
Does anybody actually agree with this?
Does anybody actually agree with this?
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-02-2007 09:37 PM |
Not really.
Fernando was being honest and I think he deserves credit for that.
It's a fine grey line and he walked above it. What was Fernendo suposed to do, nothing? And risk losing a license to race. Granted that may not be liekly but still, that would have been the news of the season.
I'm begining to like Alonso more. Especially after what he said about next year, and Hamiltons opinion of wanting him off the team.
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62919[/url]
Fernando was being honest and I think he deserves credit for that.
It's a fine grey line and he walked above it. What was Fernendo suposed to do, nothing? And risk losing a license to race. Granted that may not be liekly but still, that would have been the news of the season.
I'm begining to like Alonso more. Especially after what he said about next year, and Hamiltons opinion of wanting him off the team.
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62919[/url]
| chkltcow | 10-02-2007 09:51 PM |
At the beginning of the season, I had respect for Alonso. I thought he was a great driver. As the season has gone along, it seems more and more like he's a pissy little crybaby that's pitching a hissy fit because they're not giving him special treatment. The fact that he and Dennis haven't spoken to each other in months doesn't raise my opinion of him either.
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62783[/url]
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62783[/url]
| artkevin | 10-02-2007 10:25 PM |
Doesn't that story you attached disprove your opinion? Alonso was saying that they do speak to each other.
| chkltcow | 10-02-2007 10:30 PM |
Hrmmm.... reading would be good on my part, eh? ;)
This was the article I was going off of originally.
[url]http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40753&PO=40753[/url]
But I have found some more articles tonight where Dennis blames a "transcription problem" on that quote. Either way, Alonso has acted like a crybaby all year over not being the #1 driver at McLaren.
This was the article I was going off of originally.
[url]http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=40753&PO=40753[/url]
But I have found some more articles tonight where Dennis blames a "transcription problem" on that quote. Either way, Alonso has acted like a crybaby all year over not being the #1 driver at McLaren.
| finnRex | 10-02-2007 10:36 PM |
[QUOTE=StuBeck;19560744]They are retarded. This is exactly why I hate Ferrari.[/QUOTE]
:( Same here. It's stuff like this that makes me believe that Kimi joined the "dark side" when he joined team red.
Mika
:( Same here. It's stuff like this that makes me believe that Kimi joined the "dark side" when he joined team red.
Mika
| finnRex | 10-02-2007 10:41 PM |
As a driver, I respect Alonso to a certain degree. He's scumbagged his teammate once so far, which to me is a reflection of his character. It's not always if/how you win, but how you do it(with or without class). I do not care for Alonso from a character standpoint. I put him in the Schumi category, truth be told.
Mika
Mika
| parker/slc/gc8fan | 10-02-2007 11:12 PM |
He's no Fangio, thats for sure.
Just like M.S. is no Fangio Sure he's got records, but he's no legend.
Just like M.S. is no Fangio Sure he's got records, but he's no legend.
| StuBeck | 10-03-2007 07:45 AM |
Schumi is a legend, there is no way that he couldn't be because he changed the sport in so many ways.
| ptclaus98 | 10-03-2007 12:10 PM |
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19570271]He's [B]no Fangio[/B], thats for sure.
Just like M.S. is no Fangio Sure he's got records, but he's no legend.[/QUOTE]
Why not? You act as if Fangio is this untouchable god of motor racing. 15 laps in an F430, and I bet Schumacher would be all over Fangio, or even beating him.
Just like M.S. is no Fangio Sure he's got records, but he's no legend.[/QUOTE]
Why not? You act as if Fangio is this untouchable god of motor racing. 15 laps in an F430, and I bet Schumacher would be all over Fangio, or even beating him.
| wvallwheeldrive | 10-03-2007 12:35 PM |
[quote=ptclaus98;19574966]Why not? You act as if Fangio is this untouchable god of motor racing. 15 laps in an F430, and I bet Schumacher would be all over Fangio, or even beating him.[/quote]
No one is doubting Schmies abilities and we all know the records he holds.
But Fangio earned 29 poles and won 24 races and 36 total podiums in just 51 starts including 5 championships, in 8 seasons he ran in Formula 1.
Come there are 5 statues of the man around the world.
Besides I want to see both of them in there prime in a Maserati 250f not a modern car.
No one is doubting Schmies abilities and we all know the records he holds.
But Fangio earned 29 poles and won 24 races and 36 total podiums in just 51 starts including 5 championships, in 8 seasons he ran in Formula 1.
Come there are 5 statues of the man around the world.
Besides I want to see both of them in there prime in a Maserati 250f not a modern car.
| rupertberr | 10-03-2007 12:47 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19574966]Why not? You act as if Fangio is this untouchable god of motor racing. 15 laps in an F430, and I bet Schumacher would be all over Fangio, or even beating him.[/QUOTE]
Schumacher would have never made it alive into the first corner driving a Maserati 250. He would have dived across the track to hold his position, tangled wheels with another car, rolled it and been thrown out of the car and killed since there were no seatbelts, firesuits or effective helmets back then. The 50's were unforgiving.
Schumacher would have never made it alive into the first corner driving a Maserati 250. He would have dived across the track to hold his position, tangled wheels with another car, rolled it and been thrown out of the car and killed since there were no seatbelts, firesuits or effective helmets back then. The 50's were unforgiving.
| Hotrodguru | 10-03-2007 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19569311]At the beginning of the season, I had respect for Alonso. I thought he was a great driver. As the season has gone along, it seems more and more like he's a pissy little crybaby that's pitching a hissy fit because they're not giving him special treatment. The fact that he and Dennis haven't spoken to each other in months doesn't raise my opinion of him either.
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62783[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, something has to be said about a World Champion Driver coming to a team and helping develop and make a car competitive which wasn't the year before with 2 VERY talented drivers.
Look at what happened to Renault due to Alonso leaving. Driver development is huge. I'm sure Hamilton assisted in the development as well but I don't think as much feedback as Alonso.
[QUOTE=finnRex;19569931]As a driver, I respect Alonso to a certain degree. He's scumbagged his teammate once so far, which to me is a reflection of his character. It's not always if/how you win, but how you do it(with or without class). I do not care for Alonso from a character standpoint. I put him in the Schumi category, truth be told.
Mika[/QUOTE]
Well if not mistaken Hamilton took the first jab when he stayed out on track or longer than he was supposed to before the whole, "I'm going to stall in the pits" episode.
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19570271]He's no Fangio, thats for sure.
Just like M.S. is no Fangio Sure he's got records, but he's no legend.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19574966]Why not? You act as if Fangio is this untouchable god of motor racing. 15 laps in an F430, and I bet Schumacher would be all over Fangio, or even beating him.[/QUOTE]
Schumacher is no slouch but he didn't do what Jackie Stewart or Fangio did. For that matter not even what Senna did during his stint. Fangio, won championships with more manufacturers and in less time.
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive;19575238]No one is doubting Schmies abilities and we all know the records he holds.
But Fangio earned 29 poles and won 24 races and 36 total podiums in just 51 starts including 5 championships, in 8 seasons he ran in Formula 1.
Come there are 5 statues of the man around the world.
Besides I want to see both of them in there prime in a Maserati 250f not a modern car.[/QUOTE]
true dat
There are a lot of drivers with way mad skillz, some of my picks:
Ayrton Senna
J.M.Fangio
Jackie Stewart
Graham Hill
Stirling Moss
Mario Andretti
Gilles Villeneuve
[url]http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62783[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, something has to be said about a World Champion Driver coming to a team and helping develop and make a car competitive which wasn't the year before with 2 VERY talented drivers.
Look at what happened to Renault due to Alonso leaving. Driver development is huge. I'm sure Hamilton assisted in the development as well but I don't think as much feedback as Alonso.
[QUOTE=finnRex;19569931]As a driver, I respect Alonso to a certain degree. He's scumbagged his teammate once so far, which to me is a reflection of his character. It's not always if/how you win, but how you do it(with or without class). I do not care for Alonso from a character standpoint. I put him in the Schumi category, truth be told.
Mika[/QUOTE]
Well if not mistaken Hamilton took the first jab when he stayed out on track or longer than he was supposed to before the whole, "I'm going to stall in the pits" episode.
[QUOTE=parker/slc/gc8fan;19570271]He's no Fangio, thats for sure.
Just like M.S. is no Fangio Sure he's got records, but he's no legend.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19574966]Why not? You act as if Fangio is this untouchable god of motor racing. 15 laps in an F430, and I bet Schumacher would be all over Fangio, or even beating him.[/QUOTE]
Schumacher is no slouch but he didn't do what Jackie Stewart or Fangio did. For that matter not even what Senna did during his stint. Fangio, won championships with more manufacturers and in less time.
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive;19575238]No one is doubting Schmies abilities and we all know the records he holds.
But Fangio earned 29 poles and won 24 races and 36 total podiums in just 51 starts including 5 championships, in 8 seasons he ran in Formula 1.
Come there are 5 statues of the man around the world.
Besides I want to see both of them in there prime in a Maserati 250f not a modern car.[/QUOTE]
true dat
There are a lot of drivers with way mad skillz, some of my picks:
Ayrton Senna
J.M.Fangio
Jackie Stewart
Graham Hill
Stirling Moss
Mario Andretti
Gilles Villeneuve
| ptclaus98 | 10-03-2007 05:06 PM |
[QUOTE=finnRex;19569931]As a driver, I respect Alonso to a certain degree. [B]He's scumbagged his teammate once so far[/B], which to me is a reflection of his character. It's not always if/how you win, but how you do it(with or without class). I do not care for Alonso from a character standpoint. I put him in the Schumi category, truth be told.
Mika[/QUOTE]
When?
Mika[/QUOTE]
When?
| chkltcow | 10-03-2007 05:58 PM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19578778]When?[/QUOTE]
Hungary?
Spa lap 1?
Hungary?
Spa lap 1?
| grippgoat | 10-03-2007 07:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Hotrodguru;19577794]Look at what happened to Renault due to Alonso leaving.[/QUOTE]
Not like the switch to Bridgestone had anything to do with it.
-Mike
Not like the switch to Bridgestone had anything to do with it.
-Mike
| wvallwheeldrive | 10-03-2007 08:16 PM |
[quote=grippgoat;19580475]Not like the switch to Bridgestone had anything to do with it.
-Mike[/quote]
Yeah because Macca didn't make that same switch :rolleyes:
-Mike[/quote]
Yeah because Macca didn't make that same switch :rolleyes:
| grippgoat | 10-03-2007 08:33 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive;19580921]Yeah because Macca didn't make that same switch :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
1) I'm pretty sure Michelin's two tire specs they brought to each race were the Renault spec and the Everyone Else spec.
2) Macca had Ferrari's data to get up to speed on the Bridgestones faster. :)
-Mike
1) I'm pretty sure Michelin's two tire specs they brought to each race were the Renault spec and the Everyone Else spec.
2) Macca had Ferrari's data to get up to speed on the Bridgestones faster. :)
-Mike
| ptclaus98 | 10-03-2007 09:00 PM |
[QUOTE=chkltcow;19579409]Hungary? [COLOR="red"]Hamilton brought that on himself.[/COLOR]
Spa lap 1? [COLOR="red"]That wasn't dirty. Lewis could have lined him up through Eau Rouge and caught him at Les Combes[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Spa lap 1? [COLOR="red"]That wasn't dirty. Lewis could have lined him up through Eau Rouge and caught him at Les Combes[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
| wvallwheeldrive | 10-03-2007 09:31 PM |
[quote=grippgoat;19581075]1) I'm pretty sure Michelin's two tire specs they brought to each race were the Renault spec and the Everyone Else spec.[/quote]
Ok BMW was on Michelin's last year and are also ahead of Renault this year
[quote]2) Macca had Ferrari's data to get up to speed on the Bridgestones faster. :)
-Mike[/quote]
No they have chassie parts details not tyres:D
Ok BMW was on Michelin's last year and are also ahead of Renault this year
[quote]2) Macca had Ferrari's data to get up to speed on the Bridgestones faster. :)
-Mike[/quote]
No they have chassie parts details not tyres:D
| artkevin | 10-03-2007 09:39 PM |
I suggest that you all read the interviews with Pat Symonds in F1 Racing. He says that the switch to B'stones was a huge wild card and Renault got it wrong and he thinks McLaren guessed/figured right.
| bitterWRX | 10-03-2007 09:47 PM |
[QUOTE=WorstNameEver;19556733]Do they usually show the race live on speed or am i better off watching the ITV coverage for sunday's race?[/QUOTE]
Yes they do but it usually broadcast early in the morning (PST). I usually just wait until it comes out on bittorrent and I download it.
Yes they do but it usually broadcast early in the morning (PST). I usually just wait until it comes out on bittorrent and I download it.
| StuBeck | 10-04-2007 03:15 AM |
[QUOTE=ptclaus98;19581379]:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I don't agree. You can't be nose to tail through Eau Rouge and he would have lost time, he did the best he could in the split second he had the chance.
[QUOTE=grippgoat;19581075]1) I'm pretty sure Michelin's two tire specs they brought to each race were the Renault spec and the Everyone Else spec.
2) Macca had Ferrari's data to get up to speed on the Bridgestones faster. :)
-Mike[/QUOTE]
They didn't have a Renault and everyone else spec. Renault had just been so used to Michelin tires and spent so much time battling till the end last year that they didn't have any time to design the car around the Bridgestone tires this year.
I don't agree. You can't be nose to tail through Eau Rouge and he would have lost time, he did the best he could in the split second he had the chance.
[QUOTE=grippgoat;19581075]1) I'm pretty sure Michelin's two tire specs they brought to each race were the Renault spec and the Everyone Else spec.
2) Macca had Ferrari's data to get up to speed on the Bridgestones faster. :)
-Mike[/QUOTE]
They didn't have a Renault and everyone else spec. Renault had just been so used to Michelin tires and spent so much time battling till the end last year that they didn't have any time to design the car around the Bridgestone tires this year.
| StuBeck | 10-04-2007 06:17 AM |
[quote=Autosport]World championship leader Lewis Hamilton is currently under investigation by the race stewards at the Chinese Grand Prix over his behaviour behind the safety car in Fuji last weekend, autosport.com can reveal.
It is understood that the FIA has been supplied with new information about Hamilton's driving behind the second safety car phase - where it is suggested that he contributed to the collision between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel.
It is not clear what this new evidence may be, but it could relate to video footage suggesting that Hamilton was braking and accelerating excessively.
An FIA spokesman confirmed that the stewards were looking into the matter.
"New evidence has been brought to the stewards attention and they are currently investigating the matter," he said.
It is understood Hamilton has been asked to meet with the stewards tomorrow.
The Webber/Vettel accident was not caught on camera by Formula One's official coverage, but a Youtube video of the accident filmed from the grandstands has highlighted how Hamilton slowed down dramatically on the right of the track, forcing Webber to slow down and catch Vettel unaware.
Formula One's regulations dictate that the race leader must keep a standard distance behind the safety car until the lap before it is due to come into the pits.
Article 40.10 of the F1 Sporting Regulations states: "The safety car shall be used at least until the leader is behind it and all remaining cars are lined up behind him. Once behind the safety car, the race leader must keep within 5 car lengths of it."
With Vettel having already been handed a 10-place grid penalty in China for his part in the accident, it is thought that if the stewards believe Hamilton has done wrong then he could be punished in a similar fashion.
Red Bull Racing's Mark Webber said on Thursday that he believed Hamilton's behaviour had contributed to the accident.
"It definitely contributed to Sebastian hitting me up the back because he (Hamilton) wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing, clearly," Webber told a news conference.
"He spoke in the drivers' meeting about how good a job he was going to do and he did the opposite. Still, we know for next time."
[/quote]
This sets a bad precedent if they do something about it. Teams could start looking at earlier and earlier races trying to get things changed based on new evidence.
It is understood that the FIA has been supplied with new information about Hamilton's driving behind the second safety car phase - where it is suggested that he contributed to the collision between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel.
It is not clear what this new evidence may be, but it could relate to video footage suggesting that Hamilton was braking and accelerating excessively.
An FIA spokesman confirmed that the stewards were looking into the matter.
"New evidence has been brought to the stewards attention and they are currently investigating the matter," he said.
It is understood Hamilton has been asked to meet with the stewards tomorrow.
The Webber/Vettel accident was not caught on camera by Formula One's official coverage, but a Youtube video of the accident filmed from the grandstands has highlighted how Hamilton slowed down dramatically on the right of the track, forcing Webber to slow down and catch Vettel unaware.
Formula One's regulations dictate that the race leader must keep a standard distance behind the safety car until the lap before it is due to come into the pits.
Article 40.10 of the F1 Sporting Regulations states: "The safety car shall be used at least until the leader is behind it and all remaining cars are lined up behind him. Once behind the safety car, the race leader must keep within 5 car lengths of it."
With Vettel having already been handed a 10-place grid penalty in China for his part in the accident, it is thought that if the stewards believe Hamilton has done wrong then he could be punished in a similar fashion.
Red Bull Racing's Mark Webber said on Thursday that he believed Hamilton's behaviour had contributed to the accident.
"It definitely contributed to Sebastian hitting me up the back because he (Hamilton) wasn't doing what he was supposed to be doing, clearly," Webber told a news conference.
"He spoke in the drivers' meeting about how good a job he was going to do and he did the opposite. Still, we know for next time."
[/quote]
This sets a bad precedent if they do something about it. Teams could start looking at earlier and earlier races trying to get things changed based on new evidence.
| Schumacher | 10-04-2007 06:25 AM |
He (Hamilton) does go OTT if he's controlling the pack behind the SC. If he does get a 10-place drop, it'll spice things up nicely. :D
BTW, where are all the Ferrari haters that always say the FIA favours Ferrari? :p
BTW, where are all the Ferrari haters that always say the FIA favours Ferrari? :p
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