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changing gauge cluster to red part 1

deft 02-08-2004 06:09 PM

Guage cluster(Tach, Speedo) ---> Red
I've been looking all over(ie search), and wherever it is that people have pics all the links seem to be broken.

Anyway, has anyone successfully changed the lighting from green to red behind the guage cluster? The reason I'm asking this is because of that green film that people complain about. Do red LEDS solve the problem? I'd think that if they were bright enough, they could shine through the green.And also, I haven't popped it open yet, but does the 04 have that same green film?
deft 02-08-2004 09:33 PM

Anyone? :(
jodathmorr 02-09-2004 12:05 AM

Well i know that the gauges don't have some lightup layer behind them, its all inside the dial. I don't know what you would do to change the color, its not like you can put a bulb condom on a light...
jin psu 02-09-2004 02:12 PM

I wanted to do this and just assumed the green light was originating from green bulb condoms so I ordered some red ones. I took apart my dash to find that damn green film. :mad: I didn't try to put the red bulb condoms on because I figured it would look pretty ghey if I mixed the colors... So I'm also interested in finding this out.

Justin.
NeoteriX 02-09-2004 02:15 PM

You can circumvent the whole condoms LEDs thing by getting an Electroluminecent overlay. The pic I had of it is down, but it looks nice.

[URL]http://www.speedhut.com/ [/URL]
deft 02-10-2004 01:56 PM

Does anyone know if the 04 has the green film in the back as well?
jin psu 02-10-2004 03:47 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jin psu[/i]
[B] I took apart my dash to find that damn green film. [/B][/QUOTE]
RoyBoy016 02-10-2004 03:52 PM

Well I dont know about the green film, but I did swap the bulb covers from green to red on my friends 03 WRX and I was not pleased with the outcome. His cluster ended up looking like a real light shade of amber, not red at all. It kinda felt bad cause I changed everything else in the car to light up red, but the cluster messed it all upv:furious: .
WV_guy 02-10-2004 04:15 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RoyBoy016 [/i]
[B]Well I dont know about the green film, but I did swap the bulb covers from green to red on my friends 03 WRX and I was not pleased with the outcome. His cluster ended up looking like a real light shade of amber, not red at all. It kinda felt bad cause I changed everything else in the car to light up red, but the cluster messed it all upv:furious: . [/B][/QUOTE]

Yellow makes sense. The red condom blocks out green and the green film blocks out red. There is just a little slice in between that is getting through...yellow orange, probably pretty dim.

Interesting project. I never took the gauge cluster out. Where is this film exactly? can you replace it with red?
jin psu 02-10-2004 06:14 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RoyBoy016[/i]
[B] Well I dont know about the green film, but I did swap the bulb covers from green to red on my friends 03 WRX and I was not pleased with the outcome. His cluster ended up looking like a real light shade of amber, not red at all. It kinda felt bad cause I changed everything else in the car to light up red, but the cluster messed it all upv:furious: . [/B][/QUOTE]

Just use 2 red bulb condoms instead of 1 for a real red.

Justin.
deft 02-10-2004 06:32 PM

I've read that the even red LEDs won't show up very well, so how could two red bulb condoms do it?

If that's true(not trying to flame, if this is true then :D ) but then would a red bulb condom over a red LED be red enough?
jin psu 02-10-2004 06:36 PM

I got it from another post so you can search if you want. 1 red condom = orange, 2 = red.... and the guy said he was happy with the results.

Justin.
deft 02-10-2004 07:21 PM

I've searched, I haven't found anyone that has said that.
jin psu 02-10-2004 07:58 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by silvertoy[/i]
[B] I ordered 10 ( would recommend getting 20) of the .2" covers (5 mm) and 10 of the .12" covers (3mm) At first I took off the radio trim and then removed the faceplate for the HVAC controls and removed the bulbs and removed the green bulb covers and put on 1 red .2" bulb cover. This made the HVAC controls appear pinkish, solution... 1 more bulb cover and with 2 covers on each of the 2 bulbs in the HVAC I obtained a deeper red hue which matches the red LED's on my JVC head unit perfectly.

The good: Nice deep red color for the gauges and HVAC, much more pleasing than the green in my opinion. Only cost me $5 in parts. [/B][/QUOTE]
Stevegud1 02-10-2004 08:39 PM

From where did you order these covers, psu?

I got the new San Remo Red sedan...gotta have the red dash! :devil:
jin psu 02-10-2004 09:13 PM

[url]http://www.partsexpress.com/[/url]

Justin.
RoyBoy016 02-11-2004 09:46 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jin psu[/i]
[B] I got it from another post so you can search if you want. 1 red condom = orange, 2 = red.... and the guy said he was happy with the results.

Justin. [/B][/QUOTE]

But wouldn't 2 condoms dim the brightness a lot?
silvscorp 02-11-2004 11:57 AM

Answer is NO. You will able to see a very light red light on the cluster but it's really dim. Kinda look like when you turn the dash lighting to the lowest setting. To overcome the problem you can either get lots of bright red LEDs and solder them on or you can just scratch the green filter off like what I did.

I took some time to scratch the filter off and used two layers of red bulb covers i got from partsexpress. It worked great!!!

Warning, when you take the cluster apart to scratch off the green filter, DO NOT pull the speedo and tech meter needles off. You'll gonna have a hell of time to put them back on and caliberate them.
Depeche 02-11-2004 12:23 PM

how did you get rid of the film? what did you do?
silvscorp 02-11-2004 03:52 PM

I took apart the cluster assembly completely. After you took everything apart you will see the speedo, tach, oil gauges laying on top of a thick plastic layer. Between them it's the black peice that has all the marks on them. That's the piece you would want to replace if you get those reversed indigo gauge sheet from ebay.

Anyways, the speedo and tach gauge sheet is one piece and the oil and water temp is one piece. What I did is to flip them from the side and used a flat head screw driver to carefully scratch out all the green filterpart behind those marks. Basically you scrach off where ever you want the light to pass through. A good way to maker sure if you have done a clean job is to use a flash light constantly shine from the behind. The gauge sheet is pretty thick and don't have to worry about penetrate them. Unless you are using an extremely sharp tool with too much force.

The hardest part is the speedo and tach. The are one big piece and those needles do get in the way. You can't flip the sheet over as much as the oil/water temp piece. You'll just have to take your time and do it slowly. Make sure don't bend the needles.

Hope those tips can be helpful. If you got any more questions i'll try my best to help u out.

So far I think this is the best way to change the cluster light. Don[t' have to worry about soldering or light intensity change. If you get bored of the color just simply replace the bulb condom. It only takes 5 mins to do so.
WV_guy 02-11-2004 08:11 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Stevegud1 [/i]
[B] I got the new San Remo Red sedan...gotta have the red dash! :devil: [/B][/QUOTE]


I feel the same way about blue :) I know it has been done, but I didn't see any pics. I would love a pic of the final dash (blue or red). Did you take a pic pics silv? Anyone else?
silvscorp 02-11-2004 09:13 PM

actually I do have a pic..just found out.. it's not the best one but it's the only one i've got.
[IMG]http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~wang24/IMG_2335.JPG[/IMG]
Stevegud1 02-11-2004 09:53 PM

I might have to do this one...it'll keep my mind off of the exterior. I-70 in Pittsburgh has the finish a wreck already. 30+ chips and a broken windshield, and the car is only 3 weeks old.
scobaru 02-11-2004 10:04 PM

Anyone know if a 94 L will have the the green film. [url]http://www.speedhut.com/accessory_detail.asp?AUTO_NUMBER=396[/url] would this work for the subies?
static_rst 02-11-2004 10:41 PM

i assume that this technique would work for blue as well?
silvscorp 02-11-2004 11:01 PM

yep , any color. The purpose is to remove the green filter so any color of your choice can penetrate through in a much pure form.
deft 02-11-2004 11:48 PM

I've read that you could possibly take off the numbers when scratching off the film, how did you keep from doing that silvs?

Also in that picture, the colour is more pinkish than the red I was hoping for. Is this just the picture?

Thanks
silvscorp 02-12-2004 01:06 AM

it's the camera. The bulb cover give you pure red color. After removing the green filter it's basically a clear plastic piece. Depends on the type and the quantities of bulb cover you will get different result. If you use one layer of red cover you'll get extremely bright red. In my case I used two layers of the bulb cover.

You don't have to worry about scratch the numbers off be cause you are scratching the back side of the sheet, you should be touching any of the front part. In case I might have confused someone, when I talked about fliping the sheep up you are actually use the tool to stick under the gauge sheet and scratch the green filter part from the back side.
deft 02-12-2004 01:43 AM

Oh, so the film is behind the gauges, and have nothing to do with the numbers?

[QUOTE]The hardest part is the speedo and tach. The are one big piece and those needles do get in the way. You can't flip the sheet over as much as the oil/water temp piece. You'll just have to take your time and do it slowly. Make sure don't bend the needles.[/QUOTE]

But in there you say that the needles get in the way? I thought you meant the film was on the backside, so I don't see how the needles would get in the way, since they are on the front. :confused:

Anyway thanks a lot for your help silv.

And btw, great stuff to hear(thanks for the insight), I didn't want to have to go out and buy an STi gauge cluster just for the red.
silvscorp 02-12-2004 01:58 AM

it's kinda hard to explain, but i'll give it try anwyays. look at this way. the needle is on top, the gauge sheet is in the middle, and the plastic plate is at the buttom. Basically you flip the gauge sheet and stick ur flat-head screwdriver in between the plastic plate and the gauge sheet.(back side of the gauges sheet, where you see all the numbering on the opposite side) When I said the needle will get in the way is because, the sheet is held up to the plastic plate at the needle mounting joint. If you pull the needle out then you can just take the whole sheet out and flip it over and scrach stuff off. That's the most easy way, but as I said you'll mess up the caliberation. So when you flip the sheet over with the needle intact, you can only flip so much, not really a lot of space to work on, if you force it and flip too much there is a chance you might bend the needle.

It might sound confusing but when you take the cluster apart you'll see what I mean.

it took me 2hrs total to scratch everything clean (including break) but it's totally worth doing. You'll love it.
deft 02-12-2004 02:19 AM

Great thanks man.

It's not like I'm supposed to be [I]studying[/I] over my reading break... :devil: I have plenty of time!
NeoteriX 02-12-2004 03:36 AM

silvscorp, so that sweet pic you posted is the result of two condoms? How is the visibility during the day and during dusk? Thanks man, excellent work.
silvscorp 02-12-2004 12:09 PM

during the day? why would you turn ur headlights on during the day? lol anyways during the day you won't be able to see much at all, but you can still see some red, very light red. At dusk you can certainly see a much deeper tone. Again it's just like any color, even factory, they will be effected by the environmental lighting. I am sure STI cluster does the same.
Depeche 02-12-2004 12:43 PM

silverscorp, what did you do to the clock?
silvscorp 02-12-2004 02:54 PM

I left the clock green for now. Unlike other lightings, the clock's LED display itself is green. I took the clock apart and can't really figure out a easy way to convert it. You can try weld two small RED LED, one on each side and hopefully the light can cover up the green one. Another easy way is to find a yeallow, orange or red color filter and cut it to match the clock size and insert in front of the display. I 've tried RED filter and it kinda show red but a darkish red. I havne't ried yellow or orange, perhapse you get better result from those?
Sisqocqk 02-12-2004 04:12 PM

a bit safer route but it dosen't work for red well.

[url]http://www.I-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44681[/url]

if you have any question that haven't been covered post them in that^^^ thread.


eric:)

EDIT: forgot to change i-club to I-club:rolleyes:
silvscorp 02-12-2004 04:47 PM

i wish I have the key ring on my car !!!.. actually i've never bother to check. I know 02 doesn't have a lighted key ring but does it have that plastic ring around? If so may be I can just put a bulb in myself.
NeoteriX 02-12-2004 04:51 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoteriX[/i]
[B] silvscorp, so that sweet pic you posted is the result of two condoms? [/B][/QUOTE]
silvscorp 02-12-2004 05:14 PM

oh YEAH..
Stevegud1 02-12-2004 09:37 PM

could the position of the needles be marked along with the mount, so that we are certain to be placing it back on in the same position??? Is it a spoked fitting, or is there something that prevents proper lineup if marked?
silvscorp 02-12-2004 10:42 PM

there is no such line up as far as I know, when the needle is in the way just turn it around. There is a little thing holding the needle so that it won't fall below 0, when it's necessary you can pull up the tip of the needle and move it over that thing. You can move the needle around as you like, once you pulg the power back in it will function fine(make sure it's above that "hold").
myracle 02-13-2004 12:59 AM

SO... if you solder the color led's you want instead of using the bulb condoms.. you wont have to scratch off the green film? Will the color of the LED supersede the greenish tint? Which would be easier? I plan on doing it this or next weekend... but I want to know if I need to order LED's ( sizes ) or condoms ( sizes ). From all the research I have been doing on this, my conclusion is that soldering the leds (Incadescent) is the best option for the gauge cluster, and bulb condoms is the simplest for the HVAC. Would that be true? Color should be irrelevant at this point but I am looking for blue.. just for reference.

By the way..my interest is for a 2002 REX.. ( I dont know if the 04 gauge set up is different--and I assume the 03 is the same )

thanks for the help..
silvscorp 02-13-2004 01:31 AM

well when I did this mod I've done a lot of research and at then the best result I've seen are the ones with weld-on LEDs. I believe if you weld the right kind LEDs at right place it will give you a nice result, so yes it will supersed the greenish color. However you'll have to worry about what to do with the stock bulbs and get the dash lighting switch to work.(so you can dim the LED's lighting as you do to the stock ones)

In my opinions welding LED is much more risky unless you are an expert in this field. Besides buying the right kind of LEDs can be costly. Scratcing off the green filter will only take you some time and later on you can simply change the color by replacing the bulb covers. Compare to the good quality LEDs, bulb covers from partsexpress are much much much more cheaper. In case you want to sell your car and wish to return everything to stock then you can simply put back the green bulb covers. (in case you don't know, the stock cluster are lighted by clear bubls with green bulb covers)
myracle 02-13-2004 08:59 AM

Well.. the only reason I question it is because I was unsure the LED (incadescent) light would shine as that light and not put a greenish tint to it. If scraping off the green film is easiest.. then I will prolly do that, but the money wasn't an issue.

It is nice to be able to change color with the simplicity of changing bulb covers instead of having to solder, but I just wanted to make sure that the blue is a sharp blue that I am looking for. Also, because of the placement, it is hard to work around the tachs.. and when I was doing the reverse-glo in my old car.. I broke the tach.. and that is a worry to me.

Also... doesn't soldering the LED's change the odometer light, but the bulb condoms don't?

Well, if I go with the condoms... what size and how many would I need to do the gauges, and the HVAC? ( Radio isnt a problem as I will be installing aftermarket with blue already )
NeoteriX 02-13-2004 12:38 PM

There is another problem with LEDs though -- hot spots. Typically LEDs over quite focused light whereas the incandescent is more evenly spread.
deft 02-13-2004 01:33 PM

I know at autolumination, you can buy LEDs, with sort of frosted ends, so that they spread light more, rather than just focussing it.
silvscorp 02-13-2004 01:35 PM

Well with the fuctory bulb you might expereice a little but unevenness. At night if I dim my dash lighting by a little I can tell some spots are brighter than others. I guess that's due to the design. If you flip the cluster over and you can see some bulbs are limited to illuminate a certain area by some plastic blocks.
myracle 02-13-2004 01:35 PM

OK.. but how "hot' will those LED's get during driving at night for sporadic periods of time? Also... will the green film still be needed to take of.. or will the LED's or incadescent light shine thru and not be affected by the green tint? I see some saying that the LED wont be affected.. but I don't see anyone confirming..
myracle 02-13-2004 02:00 PM

OK.. what are the size led's or bulbs that I would need to get and how many? Also.. for the HVAC.... what size and how many condoms?
Depeche 02-13-2004 02:11 PM

hvac is two bulbs get the .2 covers

radio is like 10 i think you need the .12 covers

[url]www.partsexpress.com[/url] - search for "lamp Covers"

so a pack or two of each is good in case some of them tear.

they are cheap anyhow so get extra.
silvscorp 02-13-2004 02:14 PM

yep, i got two bags for each. I believe there are 10 covers per bag. Get the extras as they are not expensive and you might rip one or two covers.

A tip for doing this mod, before you take off the cluster, turn the headlight on, it will light up all the bulbs behind the cluster, 1 minute or so will do the trick. This way you can take the stock green cover off a lot easier since the bulbs are all warmed up.
myracle 02-13-2004 09:02 PM

Thanks for all the tips -cant wait to use them-..but..I am not doing the radio.. and I want to change the cluster.. *solder the leds... I just want to confirm that the led doesnt get affected by the green film. Also.. How many bulbs are in the cluster?

And just for reference, what size and how many bulb condoms are there in the gauge cluster? :confused:


*Also.... for all those that did the blue bulb condoms and scraped off the green film... did the blue come out nice? I know it isnt as good as the LED's ( thats why i am pushing toward that ) but just want to know in case I need to remove the green film regardless.
rabbitnutz 02-13-2004 09:24 PM

HEY EVERYONE, MOST OF THIS THREAD'S QUESTIONS CAN BE FOUND IN THE ELECTRONICS SECTIONIN THE TECH FORUM UNDER THE THREAD OF "EVERYONE WITH A GC8 READ THIS"... IT WILL ANSWER MOST OF YOU'R QUESTIONS AS TO HOW TO PROPERLY CHANGE THE COLOR
myracle 02-14-2004 12:17 AM

It would still be cool to get answers on led's or bulb and condom quantity and sizes, as bankheist ( kevin ) is a pro on the older imprezas..hasn't done 02+ rex's yet..
ATX25RS 03-26-2004 04:39 AM

okay so i asked this in another thread, but leaving just the bulbs, no covers...what color would it be...like a yellowish white?
Jacdaripper 05-29-2004 01:55 AM

very good
not to time consuming, but what size is the 3 larger bulbs? i went to [url]www.autolumination.com[/url] and found the smaller ones. no.#74=5@.99 cents ea.
MizuChi 06-07-2004 06:47 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ATX25RS [/i]
[B]okay so i asked this in another thread, but leaving just the bulbs, no covers...what color would it be...like a yellowish white? [/B][/QUOTE]

mine was kinda like orangy white on my hvac.. i wanna turn mine white.. would blue condoms do the trick? i read that if u use one cover the color would be faint.. in my case.. faint blue which will hopefully look whitish.. anyone have any clue if this would work? i dunno where to get the covers here.. so i might just order a set from partsexpress..
VSGTS14 06-07-2004 08:13 AM

i scraped the green film off and painted the bulbs with red transparent paint..

came out great, i took the needles off though
NeoteriX 06-07-2004 11:17 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by VSGTS14[/i]
[B] came out great, i took the needles off though [/B][/QUOTE]

Not a good idea man...
MizuChi 06-07-2004 01:12 PM

so lets say i wanna make mine white or blueish white.. think i can do it without scraping the green layer? anyone have a pic of what the gauge cluster looks like on the inside? i wanna know what i`ll be working with before i begin..
i think i can change the colours myself.. but i need detailed info as to what the cluster looks like on the back and inside (bulb place and bulb cover size and amount)

also what to look out for? and things that i need to know (the NO NO stuff)

thanks

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