| RaceComp Engineering | 11-26-2005 10:21 AM |
Or even worse. Another scenario.
2 principals. One needs the other. Both have worked together prior. Take a 3 million dollar program. Both are putting in 1.5 ..and while each could do the 3 without the other, they wont. Except the issue becomes, one doesnt have the enthusiasm as the other and then when you think its together,.....BLAM. IT falls apart. Ego's and or lack of true dedication. So it isnt always the "money".
I dont think anyone is saying its the money, but I am thinking of a situation I know of thats dear to me.
mw
2 principals. One needs the other. Both have worked together prior. Take a 3 million dollar program. Both are putting in 1.5 ..and while each could do the 3 without the other, they wont. Except the issue becomes, one doesnt have the enthusiasm as the other and then when you think its together,.....BLAM. IT falls apart. Ego's and or lack of true dedication. So it isnt always the "money".
I dont think anyone is saying its the money, but I am thinking of a situation I know of thats dear to me.
mw
| trhoppe | 11-26-2005 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE=Paisan]Yup it's probably politics.... Whatcha gonna do? I'd just like to see more folks club racing the subies. The Sub-$10k subies like imprezas/legacies/etc for "regular" folks. It would be nice to see subaru put up some contingency money to support a wider presence of subarus in road racing rather than Big $$$$$ for a few select folks with expensive subies.
It would be outstanding for say $300-500 for folks who win or place in club races. That would encourage folks to get out there and race subies on a wide scale.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Dude, no manufacturer supports regional level Club Racing and IT classes. Its not what they are for. Subaru currently gives pretty damn good money to National Level club racing in the T classes. These classes run their current cars. Go run a WRX, I bet its not more expensive then Steve's USTCC RS ;)
-Tom
It would be outstanding for say $300-500 for folks who win or place in club races. That would encourage folks to get out there and race subies on a wide scale.
-mike[/QUOTE]
Dude, no manufacturer supports regional level Club Racing and IT classes. Its not what they are for. Subaru currently gives pretty damn good money to National Level club racing in the T classes. These classes run their current cars. Go run a WRX, I bet its not more expensive then Steve's USTCC RS ;)
-Tom
| trhoppe | 11-26-2005 11:01 AM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan]Well, that's not entirely true. We raced the same Subaru in the same series the prior 3 years. :)
I think there may be a chance of Subaru stepping up in 2006 with the ICY Racing team. That ball was set in motion in late 2004 when we were working with Subaru for 2005.
SOA is just very risk averse when it comes to roadracing.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gah! After rereading, I totally misspoke that Gary. I meant "right now" and should have said it, dunno why I used past tense. You have been very successful in USTCC and you aldo did receive Subaru factory support. Did you receive support from the getgo though, or did you have to win first before you got it?
-Tom
I think there may be a chance of Subaru stepping up in 2006 with the ICY Racing team. That ball was set in motion in late 2004 when we were working with Subaru for 2005.
SOA is just very risk averse when it comes to roadracing.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gah! After rereading, I totally misspoke that Gary. I meant "right now" and should have said it, dunno why I used past tense. You have been very successful in USTCC and you aldo did receive Subaru factory support. Did you receive support from the getgo though, or did you have to win first before you got it?
-Tom
| S4orce2001 | 11-26-2005 11:18 AM |
good luck.
| PA04STI | 11-26-2005 01:19 PM |
[QUOTE]You just walk thru the Corvette team pit and or stand in their trailor, or even the cadillac team. You can smell the money. You can "feel" the success, and you can see why it take this type of person to make it happen.[/QUOTE]
It is hard to be competitive with a limited budget. I remember when I went to MidOhio to watch. The Cadillac & Z06's pits crew & setup was almost as impressive as their cars & it showed. Cadillac had this huge tool trailor that I swear had over 500gs of goodies it was crazy.
Then you go see the Volvo team which I think Volvo did sponsor some. Even though they did there pit stuff was a night & day difference to the Corvette & Cadillac teams. Even the Mazda & Acura teams where very impressive with the backing. Those Volvos where sweet and impressive & they mechanic talked to use for a while about their setup, but the team was definitely underfunded.
Either way it will be great next year seeing a Subaru. Last year I didn't get to even see or talk to Mike could find the WRX & unfortunately he wrecked at the start of the race.
Even the Poirsche GT3 Cup cars had some crazy Pit setups and these are rich guys that buy the cars & pay teams to maintain them. Those teams even had crazy setups.
Matt
It is hard to be competitive with a limited budget. I remember when I went to MidOhio to watch. The Cadillac & Z06's pits crew & setup was almost as impressive as their cars & it showed. Cadillac had this huge tool trailor that I swear had over 500gs of goodies it was crazy.
Then you go see the Volvo team which I think Volvo did sponsor some. Even though they did there pit stuff was a night & day difference to the Corvette & Cadillac teams. Even the Mazda & Acura teams where very impressive with the backing. Those Volvos where sweet and impressive & they mechanic talked to use for a while about their setup, but the team was definitely underfunded.
Either way it will be great next year seeing a Subaru. Last year I didn't get to even see or talk to Mike could find the WRX & unfortunately he wrecked at the start of the race.
Even the Poirsche GT3 Cup cars had some crazy Pit setups and these are rich guys that buy the cars & pay teams to maintain them. Those teams even had crazy setups.
Matt
| GarySheehan | 11-26-2005 01:23 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Gah! After rereading, I totally misspoke that Gary. I meant "right now" and should have said it, dunno why I used past tense. You have been very successful in USTCC and you aldo did receive Subaru factory support. Did you receive support from the getgo though, or did you have to win first before you got it?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Hey Tom,
We got support from the start. SOA provided the car and some funding. No where near what it took to prep the car and run the season, but enough to get us started. Over the next two years we negotiated increasing levels support.
That level of racing is relatively inexpensive. SOA is a bit shy when it comes to the big $ commitment that is required to be successful in the top sedan racing in the U.S.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Hey Tom,
We got support from the start. SOA provided the car and some funding. No where near what it took to prep the car and run the season, but enough to get us started. Over the next two years we negotiated increasing levels support.
That level of racing is relatively inexpensive. SOA is a bit shy when it comes to the big $ commitment that is required to be successful in the top sedan racing in the U.S.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| z3coupe | 11-27-2005 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE]That level of racing is relatively inexpensive. SOA is a bit shy when it comes to the big $ commitment that is required to be successful in the top sedan racing in the U.S.[/QUOTE]But they did run the USA Rally Team for awhile with full factory support (Prodrive I think it was???), didn't they? And yet, how many really watch SCCA Raly events? Compared to SWC, GrandAm Cup, and any other road racing events, even "physical" attendace at a road race is huge compared to a rally event. So imagine what could be done is Prodrive were to support the teams for SoA!
Perhaps it was just that - the bang for the buck supporting rally kind of made SoA a bit shy to try anything else here?
Perhaps it was just that - the bang for the buck supporting rally kind of made SoA a bit shy to try anything else here?
| chazthespaz | 11-30-2005 12:57 AM |
Myles, I agree with everything you have said. One of the main things is dedication and passion. If you don�t have those then really, what is the point?
I have heard this time and time again though. The thing is, no matter how much of that you have, it still takes money. I even see you refer to that several times. Money makes things progress faster, it is just takes longer and it is matter of time with the others. Money gets you into the race, passion and dedications gets you to the top.
Now just to let everyone know, I am not here to down play or criticize what anyone has said because it is all useful knowledge. I am also not saying that I know everything or even more than anyone else.
As for connections to engineers, let me state again that mine does work for the factory works team, he knows these cars better than anyone I know, and Chaste Auto can fabricate just about anything that you want for any car, not just subies. I live in Indy, the racing capital. I can get anything made here. Everything is in place except money.
Now, hear is a little of what I know about passion and dedication. I started out racing because someone gave me the chance. I did well so I continued on and progressed faster than most people expected. I was having fun. Just a short time later I turned pro and each series became more expensive and private/personal sponsors couldn�t help anymore. I started trying harder, making more contacts, gaining more support, and started a couple of businesses to help. I was into the open wheel and rally scene by this point, and became friends with many well known people on both ends. I am not a name dropper, but when I was being mentored one of my favorite drivers, he told me I was the next colin mcrae and said to never to give up. Shortly after that, he died while racing. Another driver that I became friend with lived next to me. We would train, practice, and even party together. He was another person that was passionate about racing. We agreed that there is nothing else that we would rather do than race. We sort of made a pact, that we would rather die racing or die trying than to die not knowing. He later signed a deal with a big name team for the big times. Before his rookie season, he was testing. He went into a turn wrong and hit the wall and died on impact. I know that deadly accidents are part of motor sports, but racing was more to me than just fun by this point. From the time I turned pro, there was a man, Ned, which I came across in the racing world that has been around longer than anyone, knew more people than anyone and knew more about racing than anyone. He wasn�t famous or rich, he just new everything. He set up meetings with big name team owners and racing legends. One of them came up to me afterwards, put his arm around me and said that he wishes that he was where I am now when he was my age. Ned taught me more than I thought was capable. Almost a year ago, while I was traveling on business, Ned was out making more contacts for me. He slipped on the ice and broke his back. He died about 2 weeks later. His son was with him the whole time. His son spoke to me once I got back and was telling me that most about what he was talking about on his bed me. Ned told him that he needs make sure that I make it and that he helps me along the way. He told me that his dad has helped racers before, but had never helped anyone as much as me. Ned dropped just about everything to help me. He died trying to propel me to the top. Now his son is by my side. According to his son, Ned said that he has never seen the level of dedication that I have.
Now everyone knows where I come from. Everyone knows where I am. Now everyone knows where I have to go. I have dedicated my life to racing because people said it couldn�t de done, they think that I am living in a dream world, because I have inspired people, because people have stuck by me side, because someone dedicated their life to help me, and many other reasons beyond that that I am not going into. You can take this info anyway you want. I just figure that before anyone gives me anymore personal advice, know a little bit of where I am coming from. Again, I am not here to be condescending, give advise, or look for sympathy. I am here to race. This is just info, a little insight on my life, a side of racing that most people and or racers don�t know about.
The reasons why I chose to go with Subaru is because several opportunities were there for me if I went that way, so I went with suby. The problems we had was not only did people not come through with their end, but the pro series is extremely political and they have an idea of what they want to see in racing and what they don�t. With that said, the team is going to take a step back and maybe race some club level stuff, and I am going to continue on racing for some other teams in the pro series. I wanted to help with the progress of getting subies into road racing, and I think that we have from the inside of the pro series structure. I don�t think that we got enough credit and things definitely didn�t go our way. For the people that have been there, I just want to say thanks again for your support. I think that I have rambled on enough.
I have heard this time and time again though. The thing is, no matter how much of that you have, it still takes money. I even see you refer to that several times. Money makes things progress faster, it is just takes longer and it is matter of time with the others. Money gets you into the race, passion and dedications gets you to the top.
Now just to let everyone know, I am not here to down play or criticize what anyone has said because it is all useful knowledge. I am also not saying that I know everything or even more than anyone else.
As for connections to engineers, let me state again that mine does work for the factory works team, he knows these cars better than anyone I know, and Chaste Auto can fabricate just about anything that you want for any car, not just subies. I live in Indy, the racing capital. I can get anything made here. Everything is in place except money.
Now, hear is a little of what I know about passion and dedication. I started out racing because someone gave me the chance. I did well so I continued on and progressed faster than most people expected. I was having fun. Just a short time later I turned pro and each series became more expensive and private/personal sponsors couldn�t help anymore. I started trying harder, making more contacts, gaining more support, and started a couple of businesses to help. I was into the open wheel and rally scene by this point, and became friends with many well known people on both ends. I am not a name dropper, but when I was being mentored one of my favorite drivers, he told me I was the next colin mcrae and said to never to give up. Shortly after that, he died while racing. Another driver that I became friend with lived next to me. We would train, practice, and even party together. He was another person that was passionate about racing. We agreed that there is nothing else that we would rather do than race. We sort of made a pact, that we would rather die racing or die trying than to die not knowing. He later signed a deal with a big name team for the big times. Before his rookie season, he was testing. He went into a turn wrong and hit the wall and died on impact. I know that deadly accidents are part of motor sports, but racing was more to me than just fun by this point. From the time I turned pro, there was a man, Ned, which I came across in the racing world that has been around longer than anyone, knew more people than anyone and knew more about racing than anyone. He wasn�t famous or rich, he just new everything. He set up meetings with big name team owners and racing legends. One of them came up to me afterwards, put his arm around me and said that he wishes that he was where I am now when he was my age. Ned taught me more than I thought was capable. Almost a year ago, while I was traveling on business, Ned was out making more contacts for me. He slipped on the ice and broke his back. He died about 2 weeks later. His son was with him the whole time. His son spoke to me once I got back and was telling me that most about what he was talking about on his bed me. Ned told him that he needs make sure that I make it and that he helps me along the way. He told me that his dad has helped racers before, but had never helped anyone as much as me. Ned dropped just about everything to help me. He died trying to propel me to the top. Now his son is by my side. According to his son, Ned said that he has never seen the level of dedication that I have.
Now everyone knows where I come from. Everyone knows where I am. Now everyone knows where I have to go. I have dedicated my life to racing because people said it couldn�t de done, they think that I am living in a dream world, because I have inspired people, because people have stuck by me side, because someone dedicated their life to help me, and many other reasons beyond that that I am not going into. You can take this info anyway you want. I just figure that before anyone gives me anymore personal advice, know a little bit of where I am coming from. Again, I am not here to be condescending, give advise, or look for sympathy. I am here to race. This is just info, a little insight on my life, a side of racing that most people and or racers don�t know about.
The reasons why I chose to go with Subaru is because several opportunities were there for me if I went that way, so I went with suby. The problems we had was not only did people not come through with their end, but the pro series is extremely political and they have an idea of what they want to see in racing and what they don�t. With that said, the team is going to take a step back and maybe race some club level stuff, and I am going to continue on racing for some other teams in the pro series. I wanted to help with the progress of getting subies into road racing, and I think that we have from the inside of the pro series structure. I don�t think that we got enough credit and things definitely didn�t go our way. For the people that have been there, I just want to say thanks again for your support. I think that I have rambled on enough.
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