| Snakebot | 04-12-2005 12:37 AM |
Comparison: Hankook R-S2 - Falken Azeins RT-215
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I had the chance last weekend to compare the new Hankook R-S2 and the old Falken Azeins (RT-215).
Both tires are 225/45-17. When compared side by side, the Falkens are noticably wider than the Hankooks, I would say 1/4 - 1/2 in. wider. Although the Azeins were well worn, it's shoulders are still more square than the R-S2.
Here's some pictures, both tires are unmounted.
[IMG]http://www.snake-pit.org/images/hankook1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.snake-pit.org/images/hankook2.jpg[/IMG]
I also did a comparison with the tire mounted on identical 17x7.5 wheels. Even filled to ~36psi. the Hankook was still narrower than the Azeins with no air.
The sidewall on the R-S2 is nowhere as stiff as the Azeins. A quick fingernail test showed that the tread compound is pretty soft.
Both tires felt like they weighed about the same, however I was comparing full tread R-S2s against the Azeins that had less than 1/8" of tread left. I'm pretty confident that a new R-S2 will be lighter than a new Azeins.
My initial driving impression is the R-S2 feels like it has slightly less grip than the Azeins, keep in mind that the release compound hadn't been scrubbed off of the R-S2 yet. Steering response wasn't as sharp as the Azeins. Braking felt like it was on par with the Azeins.
Hopefully I'll have the chance to test the tires on an auto-x course.
Both tires are 225/45-17. When compared side by side, the Falkens are noticably wider than the Hankooks, I would say 1/4 - 1/2 in. wider. Although the Azeins were well worn, it's shoulders are still more square than the R-S2.
Here's some pictures, both tires are unmounted.
[IMG]http://www.snake-pit.org/images/hankook1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.snake-pit.org/images/hankook2.jpg[/IMG]
I also did a comparison with the tire mounted on identical 17x7.5 wheels. Even filled to ~36psi. the Hankook was still narrower than the Azeins with no air.
The sidewall on the R-S2 is nowhere as stiff as the Azeins. A quick fingernail test showed that the tread compound is pretty soft.
Both tires felt like they weighed about the same, however I was comparing full tread R-S2s against the Azeins that had less than 1/8" of tread left. I'm pretty confident that a new R-S2 will be lighter than a new Azeins.
My initial driving impression is the R-S2 feels like it has slightly less grip than the Azeins, keep in mind that the release compound hadn't been scrubbed off of the R-S2 yet. Steering response wasn't as sharp as the Azeins. Braking felt like it was on par with the Azeins.
Hopefully I'll have the chance to test the tires on an auto-x course.
| Skibum4444 | 04-12-2005 01:30 AM |
Bump for the Azenis still being the best Street tire.
| trhoppe | 04-12-2005 10:12 AM |
[QUOTE=Skibum4444]Bump for the Azenis still being the best Street tire.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
Want to try that again?
-Tom
:lol: :lol:
Want to try that again?
-Tom
| AWDrifter21 | 04-12-2005 10:14 AM |
Falken Azenis are pretty great tires...
Friends have them and now they have tried the Z212 R-S2 and they are just as good in their opinion.
I hope your further testing of the R-S2 will satisfy you!
I will try a set of the Azenis soon, both 615 and 215 and see how they are!
Friends have them and now they have tried the Z212 R-S2 and they are just as good in their opinion.
I hope your further testing of the R-S2 will satisfy you!
I will try a set of the Azenis soon, both 615 and 215 and see how they are!
| Scooby Freak | 04-12-2005 10:32 AM |
Here is a picture of 235/40-17 Hankook Z212's. These weren't shaved and they didn't look very good after two days of autocrossing. The outside rib was worn unevenly. I hope to run them back to back with RT-215's within a week or two.
[IMG]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wODcxOTU5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wODcxOTU5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg[/IMG]
| Corey | 04-12-2005 10:52 AM |
^^^ Yea, but look at all that positive camber... what is the setup of that car? Looks like more static camber is in order, or more caster, or stiffer bushings. And what pressures? Bottom line is that the outside front shouldn't look like that.
Corey #89 STS
Corey #89 STS
| AWDrifter21 | 04-12-2005 11:16 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]:lol: :lol:
Want to try that again?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
[i]For your information guys, the R-S2s did good for a few guys in the atlantic solo National Tour.
The Class STS (Street Touring S) and STX (Street Touring Xtreme).
a 1989 honda civic won with the Ventus Z212 in STS
and a 2002 Subaru WRX won witht eh Ventus Z212 in STX as well.
congrats to them. Tom Hoppe is the winner from Georgia
I cant wait to try my tires in a longer autocross event~![/i]
I wrote the above in another thread in tire and wheel,
how was the overall event?
Any pics of your tires after the event?
congratulations also!:D
Want to try that again?
-Tom[/QUOTE]
[i]For your information guys, the R-S2s did good for a few guys in the atlantic solo National Tour.
The Class STS (Street Touring S) and STX (Street Touring Xtreme).
a 1989 honda civic won with the Ventus Z212 in STS
and a 2002 Subaru WRX won witht eh Ventus Z212 in STX as well.
congrats to them. Tom Hoppe is the winner from Georgia
I cant wait to try my tires in a longer autocross event~![/i]
I wrote the above in another thread in tire and wheel,
how was the overall event?
Any pics of your tires after the event?
congratulations also!:D
| Duffman1 | 04-12-2005 11:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Snakebot]
My initial driving impression is the R-S2 feels like it has slightly less grip than the Azeins, keep in mind that the release compound hadn't been scrubbed off of the R-S2 yet. Steering response wasn't as sharp as the Azeins. Braking felt like it was on par with the Azeins.
Hopefully I'll have the chance to test the tires on an auto-x course.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that steering response is not as sharp with the azenis 215s, there is no way that the 215s offer more grip than the R-S2. Perhaps your opinion will change once the mold release is scrubbed off.
As far as tire wear goes, I've had 2 auto-x events on the RS-2 now and my tires are showing no signs of abnormal wear and are holding up rather well. I'm running 3+ degrees of camber with added caster and auto-x on grippy concrete.
My initial driving impression is the R-S2 feels like it has slightly less grip than the Azeins, keep in mind that the release compound hadn't been scrubbed off of the R-S2 yet. Steering response wasn't as sharp as the Azeins. Braking felt like it was on par with the Azeins.
Hopefully I'll have the chance to test the tires on an auto-x course.[/QUOTE]
While I agree that steering response is not as sharp with the azenis 215s, there is no way that the 215s offer more grip than the R-S2. Perhaps your opinion will change once the mold release is scrubbed off.
As far as tire wear goes, I've had 2 auto-x events on the RS-2 now and my tires are showing no signs of abnormal wear and are holding up rather well. I'm running 3+ degrees of camber with added caster and auto-x on grippy concrete.
| trhoppe | 04-12-2005 11:45 AM |
The tires were shaved to 2/32s and they are fast. We had to do car adjustments to have it catch up to the tire.
Good even wear shaved, but they wear kind of bad full tread because of the squirm. Much like the Kumho MX.
The tire has more lateral and quite a bit more longitudonal grip then the 215 or the MX, haven't tried it back to back to the 615, but others have ;)
-Tom
Good even wear shaved, but they wear kind of bad full tread because of the squirm. Much like the Kumho MX.
The tire has more lateral and quite a bit more longitudonal grip then the 215 or the MX, haven't tried it back to back to the 615, but others have ;)
-Tom
| Dussander | 04-12-2005 12:05 PM |
So, I'm going to guess 235/40. I'm just looking for a good street tire.
| CirrusWRX | 04-12-2005 12:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Skibum4444]Bump for the Azenis still being the best Street tire.[/QUOTE]
With the 615's being almost $44 more expensive per tire than the Hankook's, Falken, IMO, blew it big time from a weekend racer point of view.
The whole attraction to the "Azenis" was their price, but with the 615's, that went out the window! And with 215's being more and more difficult to find, the RS-2's appear to offer a lot of bang for the buck.
<-- can't wait to get a set of RS-2's as I'm sure I can figure out how to spend the $170+ I'll be saving...
With the 615's being almost $44 more expensive per tire than the Hankook's, Falken, IMO, blew it big time from a weekend racer point of view.
The whole attraction to the "Azenis" was their price, but with the 615's, that went out the window! And with 215's being more and more difficult to find, the RS-2's appear to offer a lot of bang for the buck.
<-- can't wait to get a set of RS-2's as I'm sure I can figure out how to spend the $170+ I'll be saving...
| KC | 04-12-2005 12:16 PM |
The Hankooks need to be shaved to get performance out of them. The same hasn't been said for the Azenis yet.
So until someone says you have to shave a 615 to get the performance out of them, you'll go through Hankooks much faster than the 615... so now how much are the Hankooks ACTUALLY costing? I got a whole year out of one set of Azenis that started at full tread. Having to shave the Hankooks... you're looking at 1/4-1/2 year tops.
Add in the cost of shaving the Hankooks... how's the 615s looking right now? :)
--kC
So until someone says you have to shave a 615 to get the performance out of them, you'll go through Hankooks much faster than the 615... so now how much are the Hankooks ACTUALLY costing? I got a whole year out of one set of Azenis that started at full tread. Having to shave the Hankooks... you're looking at 1/4-1/2 year tops.
Add in the cost of shaving the Hankooks... how's the 615s looking right now? :)
--kC
| trhoppe | 04-12-2005 12:19 PM |
[quote]Add in the cost of shaving the Hankooks... how's the 615s looking right now?[/quote] Still not paying any contingency ;)
I think either tire is very good. I won't say anything negative about the 615s at all and everyone that has tried them has said its a tossup between the 615 and the shaved RS2 in terms of speed. Much like the old 215 and the shaved MX.
-Tom
I think either tire is very good. I won't say anything negative about the 615s at all and everyone that has tried them has said its a tossup between the 615 and the shaved RS2 in terms of speed. Much like the old 215 and the shaved MX.
-Tom
| jcroy66 | 04-12-2005 01:15 PM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]The whole attraction to the "Azenis" was their price[/QUOTE]
I'm sure their ability to win National Championships wasn't a factor at all. :rolleyes: For Nationals, a lot of people spend big $$. You think those folks were only running the Azenis because of their price??
I'm sure their ability to win National Championships wasn't a factor at all. :rolleyes: For Nationals, a lot of people spend big $$. You think those folks were only running the Azenis because of their price??
| afpdl | 04-12-2005 02:18 PM |
Any thoughts on what would be faster on an stu sti? 245/45/17 or the 235? Would the extra grip make up for the loss of acceleration/slower transitional response of the taller tire.
| DrBiggly | 04-12-2005 02:31 PM |
When put side by side, the 235/40/R17 Hankook appeared to be nearly identical in size to the 225/45/R17 Azenis as far as tread width. By the tape measure, they're within a 1/4" of each other.
| trhoppe | 04-12-2005 02:32 PM |
I think the gearing of the 245/45 would be an advantage on the Sti.
-Tom
-Tom
| CirrusWRX | 04-12-2005 03:09 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]I'm sure their ability to win National Championships wasn't a factor at all. :rolleyes: For Nationals, a lot of people spend big $$. You think those folks were only running the Azenis because of their price??[/QUOTE]
They [U]were[/U] undoubtedly the best DRY traction tires for the price. I would not dispute that for an instant. But their price has gone up over 30%!! I can't honestly believe that anybody is going to see a 30% performance improvement.
You just can't compare the 215 and 615 without taking price into consideration, IMO.
If "you're" (not you directly) a national auto-x kinda person, great - congrats to you because price shouldn't matter to you one bit if you want to win. I think auto-x is cheap fun between track days so to me, price is very important as I'm a racer on a shoestring budget. I want the most bang for my buck.
KC brings up a very valid point of longevity and "out of the box" grip, but I think it's still too early to be determined based on the number of reviews out there on the RS-2's. We still don't really have much hard evidence to go on- no real world data acquisition that I'm aware of comparing RS-2's to anything else.
And remember - there are other forms of performance driving other than auto-x ;)
They [U]were[/U] undoubtedly the best DRY traction tires for the price. I would not dispute that for an instant. But their price has gone up over 30%!! I can't honestly believe that anybody is going to see a 30% performance improvement.
You just can't compare the 215 and 615 without taking price into consideration, IMO.
If "you're" (not you directly) a national auto-x kinda person, great - congrats to you because price shouldn't matter to you one bit if you want to win. I think auto-x is cheap fun between track days so to me, price is very important as I'm a racer on a shoestring budget. I want the most bang for my buck.
KC brings up a very valid point of longevity and "out of the box" grip, but I think it's still too early to be determined based on the number of reviews out there on the RS-2's. We still don't really have much hard evidence to go on- no real world data acquisition that I'm aware of comparing RS-2's to anything else.
And remember - there are other forms of performance driving other than auto-x ;)
| ratt_finkel | 04-12-2005 03:20 PM |
[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]
And remember - there are other forms of performance driving other than auto-x ;)[/QUOTE]
There is?!?! Blasphemy!
And remember - there are other forms of performance driving other than auto-x ;)[/QUOTE]
There is?!?! Blasphemy!
| dwx | 04-12-2005 03:44 PM |
The 215/615 is still the best full tread depth tire. For those who do occasional autocrosses and track days and drive on the tires day in and day out, they are probably going to be better. I put a set of Hankooks on my car this time around because I like the sizing and just wanted to try them out. They are almost exactly like the MX at full tread depth, which is not competitive with an Azeni at full tread depth. Shaved is a whole nother story, but it's not something 90% of the people on this board are going to do.
| Snakebot | 04-12-2005 03:47 PM |
[QUOTE=afpdl]Any thoughts on what would be faster on an stu sti? 245/45/17 or the 235? Would the extra grip make up for the loss of acceleration/slower transitional response of the taller tire.[/QUOTE]
IMO the ideal size for a STi is 245/40-17. Too bad the only competetive tire that's currently available in that size is the MX.
IMO the ideal size for a STi is 245/40-17. Too bad the only competetive tire that's currently available in that size is the MX.
| Snakebot | 04-12-2005 03:50 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]The Hankooks need to be shaved to get performance out of them. The same hasn't been said for the Azenis yet.[/QUOTE]
This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the full tread R-S2s. The tire looks like it would be pretty good if you shaved them down to the wear bars. I guess this is close to the 2/32nds that Tom mentioned.
This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the full tread R-S2s. The tire looks like it would be pretty good if you shaved them down to the wear bars. I guess this is close to the 2/32nds that Tom mentioned.
| trhoppe | 04-12-2005 04:10 PM |
I *wanted* mine to 4/32s :) The tire guy went a little whacko with the cutters though and we have 2/32s :)
-Tom
-Tom
| CirrusWRX | 04-12-2005 04:31 PM |
[QUOTE=dwx]The 215/615 is still the best full tread depth tire. [/QUOTE]
how about in the rain?
how about in the rain?
| tegnwrx | 04-12-2005 06:52 PM |
Scooby freak....what pressures were you running? alignment specs?
nice to see some more reviews....whether or not it's as good as the 215/615 in dry conditions is still to be determined. But I'm willing to bet that the r-s2 is probably better in wet/standing puddles....and maybe a better daily driving tire for those worried about driving in pouring rain, and yet still very good at the auto-x.
nice to see some more reviews....whether or not it's as good as the 215/615 in dry conditions is still to be determined. But I'm willing to bet that the r-s2 is probably better in wet/standing puddles....and maybe a better daily driving tire for those worried about driving in pouring rain, and yet still very good at the auto-x.
| Skibum4444 | 04-13-2005 03:36 AM |
yeah the 615's are pricey. I'm just partial to the old 215's, those fit my budget real well.
| Scooby Freak | 04-13-2005 07:07 AM |
The Red car in the picture is on new Tein Flex Coilovers. I asked the car owner, but he didn't know his alignment settings. I'm also sure that it's not enough camber. His tire pressures also seemed low, he said low thirties. So Tom, What tire pressures did you run?
-jeff
-jeff
| DrBiggly | 04-13-2005 10:34 AM |
The nice thing about the new Hankooks is that they are about the same price as the old RT-215s. :)
| Duffman1 | 04-13-2005 10:43 AM |
[QUOTE=Scooby Freak]The Red car in the picture is on new Tein Flex Coilovers. I asked the car owner, but he didn't know his alignment settings. I'm also sure that it's not enough camber. His tire pressures also seemed low, he said low thirties.
-jeff[/QUOTE]
That is very low, should be in the low 40's
-jeff[/QUOTE]
That is very low, should be in the low 40's
| Sideshowbob | 04-13-2005 10:56 AM |
Is anyone Daily Driving on these? I am curious how loud they are and how they are in the rain. I would be buying them strictly as a DD tire, I have dedicated AutoX wheels.
EDIT: also, anyone have a link to these for sale at a good price online?
EDIT: also, anyone have a link to these for sale at a good price online?
| TheWRX | 04-13-2005 11:47 AM |
[QUOTE=BeantownWRX]Is anyone Daily Driving on these? I am curious how loud they are and how they are in the rain.[/QUOTE]
I will. Just getting them mounted today. I only saw feedback from one guy about their rain performance, he thought that they were excellent. I got mine from Discount Tire Direct ([url]www.tires.com[/url]).
Since they will be daily driven, mine are obviously full tread. I'll probably still run the WRX in a few auto-x events, so I'll see how they do. I'm sure they will be better than the two year old Azenis they're replacing. :lol:
I will. Just getting them mounted today. I only saw feedback from one guy about their rain performance, he thought that they were excellent. I got mine from Discount Tire Direct ([url]www.tires.com[/url]).
Since they will be daily driven, mine are obviously full tread. I'll probably still run the WRX in a few auto-x events, so I'll see how they do. I'm sure they will be better than the two year old Azenis they're replacing. :lol:
| Sideshowbob | 04-13-2005 12:01 PM |
[QUOTE=TheWRX]I will. Just getting them mounted today. I only saw feedback from one guy about their rain performance, he thought that they were excellent. I got mine from Discount Tire Direct ([url]www.tires.com[/url]).
Since they will be daily driven, mine are obviously full tread. I'll probably still run the WRX in a few auto-x events, so I'll see how they do. I'm sure they will be better than the two year old Azenis they're replacing. :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol: thats is exactly what I would be replacing- beat ass Azeni's. Let me know, I am curious to hear how they are on the road.
Since they will be daily driven, mine are obviously full tread. I'll probably still run the WRX in a few auto-x events, so I'll see how they do. I'm sure they will be better than the two year old Azenis they're replacing. :lol:[/QUOTE]
:lol: thats is exactly what I would be replacing- beat ass Azeni's. Let me know, I am curious to hear how they are on the road.
| DrBiggly | 04-13-2005 12:06 PM |
I drove my set on the road for a bit to the autox; maybe about 30-40 road miles. They felt quite nice. I'd use them as a daily driver or performance tire; I think they would do either one pretty well. :)
-Biggly
-Biggly
| AWDrifter21 | 04-13-2005 04:15 PM |
[QUOTE=BeantownWRX]Is anyone Daily Driving on these? I am curious how loud they are and how they are in the rain. I would be buying them strictly as a DD tire, I have dedicated AutoX wheels.
EDIT: also, anyone have a link to these for sale at a good price online?[/QUOTE]
Ive been using these for about a year already and put about 5000miles or so on them.
Wear is excellent, I drive sprited occasionally and take turns quick and safe.
My tires and rims never saw snow, just rain and I have to say, they handle EXCELLENT in the rain, never felt hydroplaning even at speeds of 60-70mph on highway through moderate puddles. Im not comparing with other tires, but from my personal observation. My tire pressures are 37psi front and 35psi in rear, cold psi readings. I did an autocross near a friends location where parking lot was just paved and after just a few minutes of heating them up, grip just got better and better~!
EDIT: also, anyone have a link to these for sale at a good price online?[/QUOTE]
Ive been using these for about a year already and put about 5000miles or so on them.
Wear is excellent, I drive sprited occasionally and take turns quick and safe.
My tires and rims never saw snow, just rain and I have to say, they handle EXCELLENT in the rain, never felt hydroplaning even at speeds of 60-70mph on highway through moderate puddles. Im not comparing with other tires, but from my personal observation. My tire pressures are 37psi front and 35psi in rear, cold psi readings. I did an autocross near a friends location where parking lot was just paved and after just a few minutes of heating them up, grip just got better and better~!
| Sideshowbob | 04-13-2005 04:24 PM |
thanks for the (somewhat biased) input!
| DrBiggly | 04-13-2005 04:30 PM |
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]Ive been using these for about a year already and put about 5000miles or so on them.
Wear is excellent, I drive sprited occasionally and take turns quick and safe.
My tires and rims never saw snow, just rain and I have to say, they handle EXCELLENT in the rain, never felt hydroplaning even at speeds of 60-70mph on highway through moderate puddles. Im not comparing with other tires, but from my personal observation. My tire pressures are 37psi front and 35psi in rear, cold psi readings. I did an autocross near a friends location where parking lot was just paved and after just a few minutes of heating them up, grip just got better and better~![/QUOTE]
How did you get hold of the Hankooks a year ago? :confused:
Wear is excellent, I drive sprited occasionally and take turns quick and safe.
My tires and rims never saw snow, just rain and I have to say, they handle EXCELLENT in the rain, never felt hydroplaning even at speeds of 60-70mph on highway through moderate puddles. Im not comparing with other tires, but from my personal observation. My tire pressures are 37psi front and 35psi in rear, cold psi readings. I did an autocross near a friends location where parking lot was just paved and after just a few minutes of heating them up, grip just got better and better~![/QUOTE]
How did you get hold of the Hankooks a year ago? :confused:
| TheWRX | 04-13-2005 04:32 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]How did you get hold of the Hankooks a year ago? :confused:[/QUOTE]
He works for them.
He works for them.
| AWDrifter21 | 04-13-2005 05:23 PM |
BeantownWRX
i guess its somewhat biased, but I know there are different and better tires out there.
If I didnt like teh Z212 R-S2s i wouldnt post anything about them.
if they sucked in the rain, i would say that......Im posting here as a nasioc.com member not a Hankook tire employee ^^
I do hope you guys dont mind my opinions.
DrBiggly, yes I do work for Hankook Tire and I was given a set to test out before their official release(quite longer than their official release).
i guess its somewhat biased, but I know there are different and better tires out there.
If I didnt like teh Z212 R-S2s i wouldnt post anything about them.
if they sucked in the rain, i would say that......Im posting here as a nasioc.com member not a Hankook tire employee ^^
I do hope you guys dont mind my opinions.
DrBiggly, yes I do work for Hankook Tire and I was given a set to test out before their official release(quite longer than their official release).
| makofoto | 04-13-2005 08:09 PM |
A bit off subject ... a couple of weekends ago we tested a fairly new set of 245/45/17 Azenis 215 on 8 X 17 wheels against shaved 245/40/17 (5/32nds) Kuhmo MX on 8.5" X 17 Slipstreams with a STI on a fast AX course. The Azenis were their usual good self ... rewarding fairly precise driving. The MX's felt sloppy. We started with air pressures around 44/40 ... and ended up around 39/39 using a pyrometer. The MX's required the car to be tossed into corners ... you had to quickly turn in and then immediately apply some lock. My buddy who use to be kidded about using a rally style of driving at auto crosses didn't even like it. We drove the first half of the day with the Azenis ... and the second warmer half on the MX's. We eventually just beat the Azenis times ... but probably more because we now knew the course better. Interestingly, we really couldn't feel any advantage to the car being a half inch lower nor having more revs coming out of the corners due to the MX being aroung 1" shorter. We're hoping that the MX will do better for us when it's really hot ...
The '04 STI was set up for STU ... but just jdm pinks, no coil overs ... and Whiteline swaybars ... middle position in the rear. Tein camber plates ... about -3.5 front camber, good 1/8th toe out in front. Zero toe in back ... -1.3 in the rear.
The '04 STI was set up for STU ... but just jdm pinks, no coil overs ... and Whiteline swaybars ... middle position in the rear. Tein camber plates ... about -3.5 front camber, good 1/8th toe out in front. Zero toe in back ... -1.3 in the rear.
| rt4me | 04-13-2005 10:15 PM |
Daily drivers
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I put a set on this past Saturday and I plan to use them as daily driver/autocross tires. I think they're pretty loud, louder than Azenis at freeway speeds. I've commented on another thread too that these tires make the car wander or twitch when going in a straight line (tramlining), at least on my car. But don't think I'm down of them. I still like them overall. :)
| makofoto | 04-13-2005 10:45 PM |
Most tires (like S03's) that have a solid center rib will tramline ...
| Snakebot | 04-13-2005 11:43 PM |
[QUOTE=rt4me]I put a set on this past Saturday and I plan to use them as daily driver/autocross tires. I think they're pretty loud, louder than Azenis at freeway speeds. I've commented on another thread too that these tires make the car wander or twitch when going in a straight line (tramlining), at least on my car. But don't think I'm down of them. I still like them overall. :)[/QUOTE]
Either that or your front toe's wayyyy outta wack. We should have checked it when we put the bars on. :D
If we meet over here for the auto show, we can check your toe real quick before we head out.
Either that or your front toe's wayyyy outta wack. We should have checked it when we put the bars on. :D
If we meet over here for the auto show, we can check your toe real quick before we head out.
| Sideshowbob | 04-14-2005 10:27 AM |
Yeah, do you know what your alignment specs are?
| makofoto | 04-14-2005 12:12 PM |
tramlining is a function of tire tread design and road surface (anti-aqua planning riles cut into freeways is the worst) ... but it could be made worse with toe out ...
| CirrusWRX | 04-14-2005 12:29 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Most tires (like S03's) that have a solid center rib will tramline ...[/QUOTE]
Had S03's for 2 years- if you think tramlining is bad, try out the S03's before making any judgement :lol:
Pulling up to a well worn intersection, you better have a death grip on the steering wheel, or else you're gonna go places you aren't expecting
Had S03's for 2 years- if you think tramlining is bad, try out the S03's before making any judgement :lol:
Pulling up to a well worn intersection, you better have a death grip on the steering wheel, or else you're gonna go places you aren't expecting
| tegnwrx | 04-14-2005 12:54 PM |
i don't think the r-s2 tramlines that bad at all....but maybe it could be my increased caster too
| makofoto | 04-14-2005 02:44 PM |
I had to get rid of the S-03's ... even though they grip like crazy ... because of their tramlining on our local fwys. They got me into AX'ing because the level of grip was so high, I couldn't readily explore the limits of my car on the street. Of course now I'm using Hoosiers!
| Thorshamm | 04-15-2005 01:20 AM |
hasnt anyone else tried the Dulop super sport Race's? I have the 245/40/ZR17 on ('05 STi, w/ perrin PSRS (which I still am uncertain about its merit, but I digress)...I really liked the price (120 each tirerack), and they seem sticky. I used them at willow and they were very controlled and always very predictable even at the edge. Im just curious of what others though of em?
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| makofoto | 04-15-2005 01:53 AM |
Sidewalls too soft for serious autocross applications where R compounds are allowed.
| afpdl | 04-15-2005 03:02 AM |
They are also illegal to use in the dot r classes of solo 2. Dont come in enough sizes, and its not hard to chunk them to hell at an autox.
| makofoto | 04-15-2005 12:23 PM |
good point about the size limitation ...
| rt4me | 04-15-2005 02:10 PM |
[QUOTE=Snakebot]Either that or your front toe's wayyyy outta wack. We should have checked it when we put the bars on. :D
If we meet over here for the auto show, we can check your toe real quick before we head out.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't hurt to check it. Although I got the alignment adjusted at Huffines a couple of weeks ago. One of the front tires was wearing like it was toed in. I didn't get the before and after specs though. It was free so I wasn't going to be picky. That'll come later.
If we meet over here for the auto show, we can check your toe real quick before we head out.[/QUOTE]
Couldn't hurt to check it. Although I got the alignment adjusted at Huffines a couple of weeks ago. One of the front tires was wearing like it was toed in. I didn't get the before and after specs though. It was free so I wasn't going to be picky. That'll come later.
| Mushashi | 04-15-2005 02:32 PM |
Great feedback!
| AWDrifter21 | 04-15-2005 03:38 PM |
Ill post pics of my tire wear
Have about close to 6000mi actually and
I will post pics when I get out of work
with my camber, cast, toe and settings.
My wear is great..... and I think I can get another year or so out of them if I dont autocross too much
Have about close to 6000mi actually and
I will post pics when I get out of work
with my camber, cast, toe and settings.
My wear is great..... and I think I can get another year or so out of them if I dont autocross too much
| AlpineFD | 04-16-2005 06:10 AM |
[QUOTE=AWDrifter21]Ill post pics of my tire wear
Have about close to 6000mi actually and
I will post pics when I get out of work
with my camber, cast, toe and settings.
My wear is great..... and I think I can get another year or so out of them if I dont autocross too much[/QUOTE]
Any plans to add more sizings? 255 or 265 17" would go great with the RWD crowds using 9" rims.
Have about close to 6000mi actually and
I will post pics when I get out of work
with my camber, cast, toe and settings.
My wear is great..... and I think I can get another year or so out of them if I dont autocross too much[/QUOTE]
Any plans to add more sizings? 255 or 265 17" would go great with the RWD crowds using 9" rims.
| AWDrifter21 | 04-16-2005 09:03 AM |
sorry guys.... went out til the weee hours in the morning and now just woke up and getting ready for Wall, NJ formula drift.
i took the pics though and will post when i get back.
I do not know any official information, but we shoudl be preparing for more sizes for wider wheels.... i dont know about 265 as it might not be a popular size as cost, mold, production, material, buildling machins is immensely expensive..
but any official information I have, i will pass.
I can also obtain weights on the tires size if needed, let me know and have a great weekend guys and girls if you are out there ^^
i took the pics though and will post when i get back.
I do not know any official information, but we shoudl be preparing for more sizes for wider wheels.... i dont know about 265 as it might not be a popular size as cost, mold, production, material, buildling machins is immensely expensive..
but any official information I have, i will pass.
I can also obtain weights on the tires size if needed, let me know and have a great weekend guys and girls if you are out there ^^
| ToddStratton | 04-17-2005 09:23 AM |
[QUOTE=Thorshamm]hasnt anyone else tried the Dulop super sport Race's? I have the 245/40/ZR17 on ('05 STi, w/ perrin PSRS (which I still am uncertain about its merit, but I digress)...I really liked the price (120 each tirerack), and they seem sticky. I used them at willow and they were very controlled and always very predictable even at the edge. Im just curious of what others though of em?
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I have a set (225/45 on rota torques) on my STi right now. They are a good, cheap track day tire if you watch the heat and have decent camber up front. As others have mentioned, I'd agree they probably wouldn't be a good autocross tire with the soft sidewall. They ride well-enough on the street too.
For the price and size, I doubt there is a grippier tire.
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I have a set (225/45 on rota torques) on my STi right now. They are a good, cheap track day tire if you watch the heat and have decent camber up front. As others have mentioned, I'd agree they probably wouldn't be a good autocross tire with the soft sidewall. They ride well-enough on the street too.
For the price and size, I doubt there is a grippier tire.
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| afpdl | 04-17-2005 06:13 PM |
Well I just autoxed some r-s2s for the first time today. They feel a bit grippier than the 215s but dont transition nearly as well(they were still pretty much full tread though) And they didnt seem to have any problems with heat, I was getting the same grip readings from my first run to my 7th.
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