| WagonMonster | 07-08-2005 12:15 PM |
Don't Cry For Me Petter Solberg! - Argentina in 1 week! [Official Thread]
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Same old story.....
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[b]Solberg starts Citroen fightback[/b]
Subaru's Petter Solberg and team boss David Lapworth are confident they can take the title-fight back to Citroen and reigning champion Sebastien Loeb on next weekend's Rally Argentina. The 2003 title winner and his Japanese team have been left behind after a string of five wins in a row for Loeb over the past two months.
[url=http://www.wrc.com/page/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~683152,00.html]more...[/url]
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I personally think someone should pee in Loeb's Gas Tank :p
[quote]
[b]Solberg starts Citroen fightback[/b]
Subaru's Petter Solberg and team boss David Lapworth are confident they can take the title-fight back to Citroen and reigning champion Sebastien Loeb on next weekend's Rally Argentina. The 2003 title winner and his Japanese team have been left behind after a string of five wins in a row for Loeb over the past two months.
[url=http://www.wrc.com/page/BreakingNewsDetail/0,,10111~683152,00.html]more...[/url]
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I personally think someone should pee in Loeb's Gas Tank :p
| bemani | 07-08-2005 12:39 PM |
This sounds like the same stuff MS spews out after every GP this year ...
| Rallycarperson | 07-08-2005 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Same old story.....
I personally think someone should pee in Loeb's Gas Tank :p[/QUOTE]
How bout sugar?? :D
Go Solberg...[size=1]sigh.[/size]
-Mark
MAPmotors.com
I personally think someone should pee in Loeb's Gas Tank :p[/QUOTE]
How bout sugar?? :D
Go Solberg...[size=1]sigh.[/size]
-Mark
MAPmotors.com
| AndyRoo | 07-08-2005 01:28 PM |
:lol: at thread title. another winner!
poor petter :(
- andrew
poor petter :(
- andrew
| leaknoil | 07-08-2005 09:44 PM |
I'm just too bored to care anymore. Luckily the Tour de France is on these days. Man the end of those stages is fun to watch and I don't even like bike racing.
| Boxologist | 07-09-2005 06:46 AM |
teh race for second begins...
| Predwolf | 07-09-2005 08:40 AM |
I'm not giving up on Solberg yet.
GO SOLBERG!!
Forget about the media, just drive.
GO SOLBERG!!
Forget about the media, just drive.
| kic | 07-09-2005 12:03 PM |
Considering I took a long sabbatical from WRC, I've been enjoying the season. However, it's now starting to get old. Loeb is just blowing everyone away, and that's only entertaining for so long.
Would like to see someone, anyone else win. Hell, even Duval. That would shake things up. Maybe.
Would like to see someone, anyone else win. Hell, even Duval. That would shake things up. Maybe.
| Patrick L | 07-09-2005 01:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]How bout sugar?? :D
Go Solberg...[size=1]sigh.[/size]
-Mark
MAPmotors.com[/QUOTE]
Put in some illegal fuel. DQ him. :devil:
Go Solberg...[size=1]sigh.[/size]
-Mark
MAPmotors.com[/QUOTE]
Put in some illegal fuel. DQ him. :devil:
| chaddeus | 07-09-2005 02:48 PM |
How about sand? Engine failure!! That will lead to 2 fail rally
- Charles
- Charles
| Craig W | 07-09-2005 04:25 PM |
Winning by sabotage wouldn't really be satisfying, would it?
Sure, Loeb may not be our guy, but we're witnessing history here. He is on his way to being the best rally driver of all time. And we're seeing it happen. I think that's pretty exciting.
Twenty years from now when they show the 2005 WRC on "Legends of Motorsport" on Speed Hologram, hosted by Dave Hobbs' head in a jar, we'll be able to lean over and tell our grandkids how we remember watching Loeb's winning streak when it happened. And the grandkids will just shrug their shoulders and say, "whatever," and go back to playing their Playstation22 Mindheld game.
But I think each of the drivers/ co-drivers have their own merits and I kinda root for all of them, not just the ones in blue&yellow. Besides, who knows who will be driving for which teams in a year or two, or three.
Sure, Loeb may not be our guy, but we're witnessing history here. He is on his way to being the best rally driver of all time. And we're seeing it happen. I think that's pretty exciting.
Twenty years from now when they show the 2005 WRC on "Legends of Motorsport" on Speed Hologram, hosted by Dave Hobbs' head in a jar, we'll be able to lean over and tell our grandkids how we remember watching Loeb's winning streak when it happened. And the grandkids will just shrug their shoulders and say, "whatever," and go back to playing their Playstation22 Mindheld game.
But I think each of the drivers/ co-drivers have their own merits and I kinda root for all of them, not just the ones in blue&yellow. Besides, who knows who will be driving for which teams in a year or two, or three.
| US2JDM | 07-09-2005 04:51 PM |
[quote=WagonMaster]The 2003 title winner and his [b][u]Japanese team[/u][/b] have been left behind after a string of five wins in a row for Loeb over the past two months.[/quote]
I doubt you'll find many Japanese people on that team.
I doubt you'll find many Japanese people on that team.
| Rallycarperson | 07-09-2005 10:39 PM |
[QUOTE=chaddeus]How about sand? Engine failure!! That will lead to 2 fail rally
- Charles[/QUOTE]
Myth is, that sugar creates a chemical reaction and seals the pistons. :confused:
Well, I don't even know if 2 rallies is enough. :p
-Mark
MAPmotors.com
- Charles[/QUOTE]
Myth is, that sugar creates a chemical reaction and seals the pistons. :confused:
Well, I don't even know if 2 rallies is enough. :p
-Mark
MAPmotors.com
| FaastLegacy | 07-10-2005 01:56 PM |
[QUOTE=Craig W]Winning by sabotage wouldn't really be satisfying, would it?
Sure, Loeb may not be our guy, but we're witnessing history here. He is on his way to being the best rally driver of all time. And we're seeing it happen. I think that's pretty exciting.
Twenty years from now when they show the 2005 WRC on "Legends of Motorsport" on Speed Hologram, hosted by Dave Hobbs' head in a jar, we'll be able to lean over and tell our grandkids how we remember watching Loeb's winning streak when it happened. And the grandkids will just shrug their shoulders and say, "whatever," and go back to playing their Playstation22 Mindheld game.
But I think each of the drivers/ co-drivers have their own merits and I kinda root for all of them, not just the ones in blue&yellow. Besides, who knows who will be driving for which teams in a year or two, or three.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile the rallies are boring as heck. When there's realistically only three people capable of winning a rally(barring mechanical failures), and two of them have dropped out or wrecked after the first day, the rest of the rally is boring. I'd like to go back to the days of a few years ago when we had 5 or 6 different winners a year.
The Pugs are terrible this year. Duval is too young and still makes rookie mistakes. Atkinson is still a rookie so count him out. Skoda is a non-contender. Mitsubishi COULD be capable of A win, same with Ford. So again, the only three competitors capable of competing in any given rally on a consistent basis are Solberg, Loeb and a revolving wildcard, be it Gardemeister or Gronholm or someone else.
Sure, Loeb may not be our guy, but we're witnessing history here. He is on his way to being the best rally driver of all time. And we're seeing it happen. I think that's pretty exciting.
Twenty years from now when they show the 2005 WRC on "Legends of Motorsport" on Speed Hologram, hosted by Dave Hobbs' head in a jar, we'll be able to lean over and tell our grandkids how we remember watching Loeb's winning streak when it happened. And the grandkids will just shrug their shoulders and say, "whatever," and go back to playing their Playstation22 Mindheld game.
But I think each of the drivers/ co-drivers have their own merits and I kinda root for all of them, not just the ones in blue&yellow. Besides, who knows who will be driving for which teams in a year or two, or three.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile the rallies are boring as heck. When there's realistically only three people capable of winning a rally(barring mechanical failures), and two of them have dropped out or wrecked after the first day, the rest of the rally is boring. I'd like to go back to the days of a few years ago when we had 5 or 6 different winners a year.
The Pugs are terrible this year. Duval is too young and still makes rookie mistakes. Atkinson is still a rookie so count him out. Skoda is a non-contender. Mitsubishi COULD be capable of A win, same with Ford. So again, the only three competitors capable of competing in any given rally on a consistent basis are Solberg, Loeb and a revolving wildcard, be it Gardemeister or Gronholm or someone else.
| akuhner | 07-11-2005 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]Atkinson is still a rookie so count him out. [/QUOTE]
Atkinson is a waste of money, time and effort. There was plenty of driver churn this year, they could have picked up someone with experience who could actually earn points. I'm sure Atkinson can be fast, but he doesn't have the experience to put it all together for a pace setting, reliable ride... :(
Atkinson is a waste of money, time and effort. There was plenty of driver churn this year, they could have picked up someone with experience who could actually earn points. I'm sure Atkinson can be fast, but he doesn't have the experience to put it all together for a pace setting, reliable ride... :(
| WagonMonster | 07-11-2005 12:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Craig W]Winning by sabotage wouldn't really be satisfying, would it?
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Might wanna calibrate your sarcasm detector there chief.
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Might wanna calibrate your sarcasm detector there chief.
| Protege Menace | 07-11-2005 12:50 PM |
I hope they find out loebs been cheating with some illigal part or something.
| WagonMonster | 07-11-2005 02:13 PM |
We have located the illegal part:
[img]http://www.rally.gr/data/wrc-driver-photo/2.jpg[/img]
I'm pretty sure Robots aren't allowed to drive in the WRC.
[img]http://www.rally.gr/data/wrc-driver-photo/2.jpg[/img]
I'm pretty sure Robots aren't allowed to drive in the WRC.
| boxered | 07-11-2005 04:08 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]Atkinson is a waste of money, time and effort. There was plenty of driver churn this year, they could have picked up someone with experience who could actually earn points. I'm sure Atkinson can be fast, but he doesn't have the experience to put it all together for a pace setting, reliable ride... :([/QUOTE]
Yeah..but they can't get someone who's [i]too[/i] good.. remember *cough* Petterego *cough*.
As far as Loeb is concerned, I firmly believe he's dominating because of the tyre-company-not-to-be-named. Ever since he's been using them he's just walked on everyone else. I'm guessing they're a perfect match to the Citro's suspension/Loeb driving style.
Yeah..but they can't get someone who's [i]too[/i] good.. remember *cough* Petterego *cough*.
As far as Loeb is concerned, I firmly believe he's dominating because of the tyre-company-not-to-be-named. Ever since he's been using them he's just walked on everyone else. I'm guessing they're a perfect match to the Citro's suspension/Loeb driving style.
| WagonMonster | 07-11-2005 04:11 PM |
[QUOTE=boxered]Yeah..but they can't get someone who's [i]too[/i] good.. remember *cough* Petterego *cough*.
As far as Loeb is concerned, I firmly believe he's dominating because of the tyre-company-not-to-be-named. Ever since he's been using them he's just walked on everyone else. I'm guessing they're a perfect match to the Citro's suspension/Loeb driving style.[/QUOTE]
Petter's Ego?
He's not Colin McRae, you know.
Remember he WELCOMED Makinen to Subaru.
And, unless you're British, it's spelled "Tire"
As far as Loeb is concerned, I firmly believe he's dominating because of the tyre-company-not-to-be-named. Ever since he's been using them he's just walked on everyone else. I'm guessing they're a perfect match to the Citro's suspension/Loeb driving style.[/QUOTE]
Petter's Ego?
He's not Colin McRae, you know.
Remember he WELCOMED Makinen to Subaru.
And, unless you're British, it's spelled "Tire"
| FaastLegacy | 07-11-2005 04:51 PM |
[QUOTE=Car #187]Atkinson is a waste of money, time and effort. There was plenty of driver churn this year, they could have picked up someone with experience who could actually earn points. I'm sure Atkinson can be fast, but he doesn't have the experience to put it all together for a pace setting, reliable ride... :([/QUOTE]
Subaru is fond of young, undiscovered drivers, no doubt. That's how Petter got his start and SWRT hit a gold mine with him. Atkinson is too much of a rookie IMO, how many rallies has he actually finished? Prodrive would have been better served keeping Hirvonen IMO.
[quote]As far as Loeb is concerned, I firmly believe he's dominating because of the tyre-company-not-to-be-named. Ever since he's been using them he's just walked on everyone else. I'm guessing they're a perfect match to the Citro's suspension/Loeb driving style.[/quote]
Ehh, Petter could be neck and neck with him right now if he hadn't made so many non-tire related mistakes. Loeb is winning the championship because he's consistent, if he's not winning then he's in the top three. Unfortunately Petter on the other hand, is either winning or he's generally at the bottom of the leaderboard. I also think that Loeb's success is not necessarily that he's so good, just that everyone else is doing so poorly. And that's not to take anything away from Loeb, but this hasn't been one of the more competitive times for the WRC.
Subaru is fond of young, undiscovered drivers, no doubt. That's how Petter got his start and SWRT hit a gold mine with him. Atkinson is too much of a rookie IMO, how many rallies has he actually finished? Prodrive would have been better served keeping Hirvonen IMO.
[quote]As far as Loeb is concerned, I firmly believe he's dominating because of the tyre-company-not-to-be-named. Ever since he's been using them he's just walked on everyone else. I'm guessing they're a perfect match to the Citro's suspension/Loeb driving style.[/quote]
Ehh, Petter could be neck and neck with him right now if he hadn't made so many non-tire related mistakes. Loeb is winning the championship because he's consistent, if he's not winning then he's in the top three. Unfortunately Petter on the other hand, is either winning or he's generally at the bottom of the leaderboard. I also think that Loeb's success is not necessarily that he's so good, just that everyone else is doing so poorly. And that's not to take anything away from Loeb, but this hasn't been one of the more competitive times for the WRC.
| boxered | 07-12-2005 12:56 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy]
Ehh, Petter could be neck and neck with him right now if he hadn't made so many non-tire related mistakes. Loeb is winning the championship because he's consistent, if he's not winning then he's in the top three. Unfortunately Petter on the other hand, is either winning or he's generally at the bottom of the leaderboard. I also think that Loeb's success is not necessarily that he's so good, just that everyone else is doing so poorly. And that's not to take anything away from Loeb, but this hasn't been one of the more competitive times for the WRC.[/QUOTE]
Granted Subaru has had their share of driver/ mechanical problems but nobody (even Granholm) can come close to Loeb once he builds a slight time cushion. He's been doing this ever since he got the new compound M's. Remember, at least 1/3 of the package is tyres
[Quote=wagonmonster] And, unless you're British, it's spelled "Tire"[/quote]
[Frank Constanza] Are you saying you want a piece of me...[/Frank Constanza]
;)
Ehh, Petter could be neck and neck with him right now if he hadn't made so many non-tire related mistakes. Loeb is winning the championship because he's consistent, if he's not winning then he's in the top three. Unfortunately Petter on the other hand, is either winning or he's generally at the bottom of the leaderboard. I also think that Loeb's success is not necessarily that he's so good, just that everyone else is doing so poorly. And that's not to take anything away from Loeb, but this hasn't been one of the more competitive times for the WRC.[/QUOTE]
Granted Subaru has had their share of driver/ mechanical problems but nobody (even Granholm) can come close to Loeb once he builds a slight time cushion. He's been doing this ever since he got the new compound M's. Remember, at least 1/3 of the package is tyres
[Quote=wagonmonster] And, unless you're British, it's spelled "Tire"[/quote]
[Frank Constanza] Are you saying you want a piece of me...[/Frank Constanza]
;)
| Ice racer | 07-12-2005 11:56 PM |
I'm really hoping Petter can come back to top form in Argentina.
I also enjoy seeing underdogs and wildcards too. I wouldn't mind seeing Gartermiester win one.
What I'd [i]really[/i] like to see is Loeb drive for Skoda next year and clean house with a Fabia. :D
I also enjoy seeing underdogs and wildcards too. I wouldn't mind seeing Gartermiester win one.
What I'd [i]really[/i] like to see is Loeb drive for Skoda next year and clean house with a Fabia. :D
| ammelk | 07-13-2005 06:15 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]We have located the illegal part:
[img]http://www.rally.gr/data/wrc-driver-photo/2.jpg[/img]
I'm pretty sure Robots aren't allowed to drive in the WRC.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Man thats the best one yet..
I'm a suby guy at heart and I've liked solberg from his ford days..
but man I just have to root for Seb...
with a record breaking year coming on..
and with an american in france having a record breaking year coming on..
we'll see to greats unfold this year that will take forever if ever at all to beat...
man I love JULY...and its no becuase my birthday is in July either... :D
[img]http://www.rally.gr/data/wrc-driver-photo/2.jpg[/img]
I'm pretty sure Robots aren't allowed to drive in the WRC.[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Man thats the best one yet..
I'm a suby guy at heart and I've liked solberg from his ford days..
but man I just have to root for Seb...
with a record breaking year coming on..
and with an american in france having a record breaking year coming on..
we'll see to greats unfold this year that will take forever if ever at all to beat...
man I love JULY...and its no becuase my birthday is in July either... :D
| bemani | 07-14-2005 01:51 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Petter's Ego?
He's not Colin McRae, you know.
Remember he WELCOMED Makinen to Subaru.
[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, that's because Tommi helped him win his championship.
Maybe Petter's not offering his experience to the teammates like Tommi did for him. That's why Subaru's new driver search is sucking.
He's not Colin McRae, you know.
Remember he WELCOMED Makinen to Subaru.
[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, that's because Tommi helped him win his championship.
Maybe Petter's not offering his experience to the teammates like Tommi did for him. That's why Subaru's new driver search is sucking.
| leaknoil | 07-15-2005 07:08 PM |
Amazing surprise standings after leg 1:
1 Loeb-Elena Citroen Xsara WRC 1h54m40.6s
2 Solberg-Mills Subaru Impreza WRC +31.3s
3 Gronholm-Rautianen Peugeot 307 WRC +44.6s
4 Gardemeister-Honkanen Ford Focus WRC +2m00.1s
5 Rovanpera-Pietilainen Mitsubishi Lancer WRC +2m08.2s
6 Martin-Park Peugeot 307 WRC +2m31.8s
7 Duval-Smeets Citroen Xsara WRC +3m34.9s
8 Stohl-Minor Citroen Xsara WRC +3m40.4s
9 Atkinson-Macneall Subaru Impreza WRC +4m10.8s
10 Kresta-Mozny Ford Focus WRC +5m13.2s
*yawn*
1 Loeb-Elena Citroen Xsara WRC 1h54m40.6s
2 Solberg-Mills Subaru Impreza WRC +31.3s
3 Gronholm-Rautianen Peugeot 307 WRC +44.6s
4 Gardemeister-Honkanen Ford Focus WRC +2m00.1s
5 Rovanpera-Pietilainen Mitsubishi Lancer WRC +2m08.2s
6 Martin-Park Peugeot 307 WRC +2m31.8s
7 Duval-Smeets Citroen Xsara WRC +3m34.9s
8 Stohl-Minor Citroen Xsara WRC +3m40.4s
9 Atkinson-Macneall Subaru Impreza WRC +4m10.8s
10 Kresta-Mozny Ford Focus WRC +5m13.2s
*yawn*
| WagonMonster | 07-18-2005 01:10 AM |
Loeb won again
I give up
I give up
| thesmokingman | 07-18-2005 01:15 AM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Well yeah, that's because Tommi helped him win his championship.
Maybe Petter's not offering his experience to the teammates like Tommi did for him. That's why Subaru's new driver search is sucking.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but I tend to think Petter's busy trying to compete against the unflappable frogg.
Maybe Petter's not offering his experience to the teammates like Tommi did for him. That's why Subaru's new driver search is sucking.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but I tend to think Petter's busy trying to compete against the unflappable frogg.
| bemani | 07-18-2005 02:41 AM |
[QUOTE=Craig W]Winning by sabotage wouldn't really be satisfying, would it?
[/QUOTE]
To whoever that sent that cow out:
You need to try harder next time. You're a crappy saboteur.
kthxbye
[/QUOTE]
To whoever that sent that cow out:
You need to try harder next time. You're a crappy saboteur.
kthxbye
| WRXedUSA | 07-18-2005 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]Loeb won again
I give up[/QUOTE]
I've come to accept it. We are witnessing a great, might as well enjoy it.
The man's a great, who else can slay a bull on the stage and still win the test? Only Loeb.
In other news, Subaru won the PCWRC round over Mitsubishi with Nasser al-Attiyah winning in a Spec-C. Mark Higgins can't catch a break as he got busted for a 'improperly installed spare'. What ever the hell that means.
I give up[/QUOTE]
I've come to accept it. We are witnessing a great, might as well enjoy it.
The man's a great, who else can slay a bull on the stage and still win the test? Only Loeb.
In other news, Subaru won the PCWRC round over Mitsubishi with Nasser al-Attiyah winning in a Spec-C. Mark Higgins can't catch a break as he got busted for a 'improperly installed spare'. What ever the hell that means.
| IamRascal | 07-18-2005 10:30 AM |
with a time difference of over 30 seconds in the first leg you could arguably say that WRC isn't competitive. 30 seconds is a long damn time! You'll also notice that after the first 3 guys the closest time is over 2minutes, so arguably you can still notice the better drivers in the group.
However I'm glad to see that someone besides subaru is winning for once. Don't get my wrong, I'm planning to use a scooby when I start rallying, no thanks to certain co-drives in Atlanta in a certain red subabu last year. (thanks jiggy! :disco: ) but it makes subaru rethink their strategy, setup etc.... which in the long run benefits the consumers of the car for what pieces they pull into production.
However I'm glad to see that someone besides subaru is winning for once. Don't get my wrong, I'm planning to use a scooby when I start rallying, no thanks to certain co-drives in Atlanta in a certain red subabu last year. (thanks jiggy! :disco: ) but it makes subaru rethink their strategy, setup etc.... which in the long run benefits the consumers of the car for what pieces they pull into production.
| WagonMonster | 07-18-2005 11:36 AM |
[QUOTE=IamRascal]with a time difference of over 30 seconds in the first leg you could arguably say that WRC isn't competitive. 30 seconds is a long damn time! You'll also notice that after the first 3 guys the closest time is over 2minutes, so arguably you can still notice the better drivers in the group.
However I'm glad to see that someone besides subaru is winning for once. Don't get my wrong, I'm planning to use a scooby when I start rallying, no thanks to certain co-drives in Atlanta in a certain red subabu last year. (thanks jiggy! :disco: ) but it makes subaru rethink their strategy, setup etc.... which in the long run benefits the consumers of the car for what pieces they pull into production.[/QUOTE]
Someone besides Subaru?
When was the last time Subaru won the Manufacturer's Championship? 1999?
However I'm glad to see that someone besides subaru is winning for once. Don't get my wrong, I'm planning to use a scooby when I start rallying, no thanks to certain co-drives in Atlanta in a certain red subabu last year. (thanks jiggy! :disco: ) but it makes subaru rethink their strategy, setup etc.... which in the long run benefits the consumers of the car for what pieces they pull into production.[/QUOTE]
Someone besides Subaru?
When was the last time Subaru won the Manufacturer's Championship? 1999?
| WRXedUSA | 07-18-2005 12:39 PM |
We need a manufacturers title. Bad.
| bemani | 07-18-2005 01:15 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]We need a manufacturers title. Bad.[/QUOTE]
At least Subaru doesn't resort to using hired gun when they're not winning, like Citroen.
At least Subaru doesn't resort to using hired gun when they're not winning, like Citroen.
| Mopho | 07-18-2005 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]We need a manufacturers title. Bad.[/QUOTE]
according to David Lapworth, Subaru is not after the manufacturers title
according to David Lapworth, Subaru is not after the manufacturers title
| Predwolf | 07-18-2005 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]I've come to accept it. We are witnessing a great, might as well enjoy it.
The man's a great, who else can slay a bull on the stage and still win the test? Only Loeb.
In other news, Subaru won the PCWRC round over Mitsubishi with Nasser al-Attiyah winning in a Spec-C. Mark Higgins can't catch a break as he got busted for a 'improperly installed spare'. What ever the hell that means.[/QUOTE]
It just doesn't feel right to accept it. I have respect for him, but there's just something that makes me not like it. If it was Gronholm, Panizzi or Rovanperra I wouldn't mind, but I just feel like I can't trust him...
Good for him though, he's doing awesome.
The man's a great, who else can slay a bull on the stage and still win the test? Only Loeb.
In other news, Subaru won the PCWRC round over Mitsubishi with Nasser al-Attiyah winning in a Spec-C. Mark Higgins can't catch a break as he got busted for a 'improperly installed spare'. What ever the hell that means.[/QUOTE]
It just doesn't feel right to accept it. I have respect for him, but there's just something that makes me not like it. If it was Gronholm, Panizzi or Rovanperra I wouldn't mind, but I just feel like I can't trust him...
Good for him though, he's doing awesome.
| WRXedUSA | 07-18-2005 02:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]according to David Lapworth, Subaru is not after the manufacturers title[/QUOTE]
Hmm. So they are in the driver development program huh?
Hmm. So they are in the driver development program huh?
| Mopho | 07-18-2005 02:59 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Hmm. So they are in the driver development program huh?[/QUOTE]
According to Lapworth, he told me this over cocktails in Mexico and I saw or read (don't remember) this in an interview as well
Subaru traditionally has developed a second driver, you know that. Though there has been a few exceptions.
Solberg's popularity probably does more for marketing the brand than the manufacturers championship, so it is probably smart to work on developing a second driver to be there when Solberg's career starts to wind down.
I think Atkinson is a pretty good choice because he is personable and English is his first language (probably more important than you think). He will become a better driver with time-practice makes perfect. There was a time when Solberg was crashing and doing poorly all the time as well
According to Lapworth, he told me this over cocktails in Mexico and I saw or read (don't remember) this in an interview as well
Subaru traditionally has developed a second driver, you know that. Though there has been a few exceptions.
Solberg's popularity probably does more for marketing the brand than the manufacturers championship, so it is probably smart to work on developing a second driver to be there when Solberg's career starts to wind down.
I think Atkinson is a pretty good choice because he is personable and English is his first language (probably more important than you think). He will become a better driver with time-practice makes perfect. There was a time when Solberg was crashing and doing poorly all the time as well
| Call_me_Tom | 07-18-2005 03:20 PM |
I've got $20 that says Solberg won't be around next year driving a Subaru.
| WagonMonster | 07-18-2005 04:03 PM |
[QUOTE=krazyK1371]I've got $20 that says Solberg won't be around next year driving a Subaru.[/QUOTE]
I believe Solberg is already under contract with Subaru for next year.
I believe Solberg is already under contract with Subaru for next year.
| proletariandan | 07-19-2005 07:11 AM |
Solberg is still doing incredible. If he hadn't been told to slow down for those water holes and hadn't lost his brakes he would have been right there with Loeb and probably beaten Grunholm. Loeb may be marginally better but I find it absolutely incredible that his car hasn't broken anything in 5 months or so. I was losing confidence in Petter for awhile but he really impressed me in Argentina.
| WRXedUSA | 07-19-2005 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE=Mopho]According to Lapworth, he told me this over cocktails in Mexico and I saw or read (don't remember) this in an interview as well
Subaru traditionally has developed a second driver, you know that. Though there has been a few exceptions.
Solberg's popularity probably does more for marketing the brand than the manufacturers championship, so it is probably smart to work on developing a second driver to be there when Solberg's career starts to wind down.
I think Atkinson is a pretty good choice because he is personable and English is his first language (probably more important than you think). He will become a better driver with time-practice makes perfect. There was a time when Solberg was crashing and doing poorly all the time as well[/QUOTE]
Ok, I agree with that. I goes in line with Subaru's interest in drumming up support and following for national rallying and WRC in the US for example as stated from a interview with the STi president at about the time of '02 WRX release in the US.
Subaru traditionally has developed a second driver, you know that. Though there has been a few exceptions.
Solberg's popularity probably does more for marketing the brand than the manufacturers championship, so it is probably smart to work on developing a second driver to be there when Solberg's career starts to wind down.
I think Atkinson is a pretty good choice because he is personable and English is his first language (probably more important than you think). He will become a better driver with time-practice makes perfect. There was a time when Solberg was crashing and doing poorly all the time as well[/QUOTE]
Ok, I agree with that. I goes in line with Subaru's interest in drumming up support and following for national rallying and WRC in the US for example as stated from a interview with the STi president at about the time of '02 WRX release in the US.
| bemani | 07-19-2005 10:46 AM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]I believe Solberg is already under contract with Subaru for next year.[/QUOTE]
There goes $20
There goes $20
| Calamity Jesus | 07-19-2005 10:55 AM |
Loeb is a great driver backed by a great team. He finishes the stages and appears calm when he gives his message to the reporter. None of the other drivers can make it look as easy.. not even Solberg. Any slander directed toward Loeb or the Citroen team is rooted in fanboism. That swerve to avoid the cow earned him a gold star in my book... meanwhile Petter is flying through ditches and dinging up the suspension. Petter's an awesome driver.. just not as good as Loeb.
| SlideWRX | 07-19-2005 11:15 AM |
So there's no real way for Solberg to win the championship - Him winning depends on Loeb crashing/DNF'ing a lot, which won't happen more than once.
At this point, I'm hoping for Gardemeister to take second place, and Solberg third. I wouldn't mind seeing Ford take a lot of Manufacturers points as well.
Tom
At this point, I'm hoping for Gardemeister to take second place, and Solberg third. I wouldn't mind seeing Ford take a lot of Manufacturers points as well.
Tom
| SlideWRX | 07-19-2005 11:24 AM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy] Any slander directed toward Loeb or the Citroen team is rooted in fanboism. [/QUOTE]
At Loeb, yes. He is performing so well, it's hard to argue. The thing that annoys me most aout him is that he's beating Solberg consistently. :p
At Citroen/Peugot, partially - they came in, blew thier money to get the championship, and are pulling out. That's great for thier marketing/ego and such, but it leaves Rally with a gaping hole in manufacturers/driver rides.
Tom
At Loeb, yes. He is performing so well, it's hard to argue. The thing that annoys me most aout him is that he's beating Solberg consistently. :p
At Citroen/Peugot, partially - they came in, blew thier money to get the championship, and are pulling out. That's great for thier marketing/ego and such, but it leaves Rally with a gaping hole in manufacturers/driver rides.
Tom
| MyScoobie28 | 07-19-2005 01:21 PM |
final results?
| Ice racer | 07-19-2005 02:31 PM |
[QUOTE=MyScoobie28]final results?[/QUOTE]
You can see 1st to 8th place results [URL=http://www.rallyplanet.com/?pid=29356]HERE[/URL].
You can see 1st to 8th place results [URL=http://www.rallyplanet.com/?pid=29356]HERE[/URL].
| akuhner | 07-19-2005 04:00 PM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]Any slander directed toward Loeb or the Citroen team is rooted in fanboism.[/QUOTE]
Please define "fanboism!"
Please define "fanboism!"
| leaknoil | 07-19-2005 05:06 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho] it is probably smart to work on developing a second driver to be there when Solberg's career starts to wind down.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure when this actually happens to rally drivers. They seem to be able to keep going till they get bored and want to do something else like Carlos did.
The top guys now have proven records and can probably keep going as long as they like. With fewer rides for the next few years, it is the up and coming guys like Atkinson and Duval that may never get a chance to develop. There just isn't going to be space for them unless teams start fielding more cars.
I'm not sure when this actually happens to rally drivers. They seem to be able to keep going till they get bored and want to do something else like Carlos did.
The top guys now have proven records and can probably keep going as long as they like. With fewer rides for the next few years, it is the up and coming guys like Atkinson and Duval that may never get a chance to develop. There just isn't going to be space for them unless teams start fielding more cars.
| Call_me_Tom | 07-19-2005 08:42 PM |
[QUOTE=WagonMonster]I believe Solberg is already under contract with Subaru for next year.[/QUOTE]
Ah...I heard from the people who write his contract ;)
Ah...I heard from the people who write his contract ;)
| Call_me_Tom | 07-19-2005 08:43 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]There goes $20[/QUOTE]
I'll take that $20 thank you.
I'll take that $20 thank you.
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