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Ebay STI 4 Point Harness part 1

boostinscooby 08-23-2005 04:46 PM

Ebay STI 4 Point Harness
Has anybody installed these yet? I bought 2 of them and I was wondering if there were any complications on install.

[IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/boostinscooby/SBT_STI4_BL_A2K.jpg[/IMG]
flabele 08-23-2005 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=boostinscooby]Has anybody installed these yet? I bought 2 of them and I was wondering if there were any complications on install.

[IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/boostinscooby/SBT_STI4_BL_A2K.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


I was wondering about these too. id like to know...
B16A2NR 08-23-2005 04:51 PM

Your going to need a harness bar or a roll cage with a brace going across. You definatly don't want to bolt the shoulder straps to the ground behind you because if you get in a accident the harnesses compress your spine and may kill you.
boostinscooby 08-23-2005 04:52 PM

what if you used the oem cross bar under the back seat?
twizzstyle 08-23-2005 04:55 PM

That cross bar won't work, but you can bolt to the rear seatbelt locations (the ones for the rear seat that is, between the rear seat back and bottom cushions.)

harness bar is still the best way to go though.
boostinscooby 08-23-2005 04:58 PM

I might chance death until i can find a harness bar! Anybody know where to get one cheap. And if you do have theese harness in post your pics
flabele 08-23-2005 04:59 PM

[QUOTE=B16A2NR]Your going to need a harness bar or a roll cage with a brace going across. You definatly don't want to bolt the shoulder straps to the ground behind you because if you get in a accident the harnesses compress your spine and may kill you.[/QUOTE]


:eek: :eek:
Versus 08-23-2005 05:01 PM

I would not use any safety device like that one where I have no idea of the process or testing procedures of the manufacturer.
boostinscooby 08-23-2005 05:08 PM

Well when i find out who makes the belts, ie sabelt or what have you ill decide whether or not i want to put them in. Its ebay so they probably bought the belts and sewed the sti patches on. We'll see!
dxrat 08-23-2005 06:21 PM

Why go cheap on one of the only things that will save your life in a crash?? It doesn't seem like a good idea.
Kean 08-23-2005 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=Versus]I would not use any safety device like that one where I have no idea of the process or testing procedures of the manufacturer.[/QUOTE] .....ditto. ....and folks should think twice about tinkering with such devices unless they know what they're doing.
U 08-23-2005 06:58 PM

Here... OG is selling Sparcos for cheap. Get something that is at least from a known manufacturer.

[URL=http://www.ogracing.com/eshop/itemdetail.asp?ses=8s7xt3stezm2ml40&itemid=896&showbrake=1]sparco belt[/URL]
AZ-GT 08-23-2005 07:11 PM

^^^^^^
So does that one require a harness bar?
Mr. Sadface 08-23-2005 07:22 PM

Since STI doesn't even make a 4pt., these were probably forged by little sweatshop kids overseas. I'm sure they're very safe. +1 on a Sparco set up. I've tied into my rear seat belt bolting locations before, but a bar is by far the safest route.
Xhermes 08-23-2005 08:16 PM

[QUOTE=AZ-GT]^^^^^^
So does that one require a harness bar?[/QUOTE]

Every 4 point harness needs a harness bar or roll cage..
It doesnt depend on the manufacturer it depends on the way its mounted.
If you mount the belt directly to the ground behind the seat, in an accident the belt will pull you down and wants to pull you trough the seat, wich ofcourse isnt something you want to happen since your spine doesn't like that I guess.. So thats where the harness bar comes in. The harness bar prevents getting pulled down in case of an accident. The maximum angle you can make is about 45 degrees I thought.. So that would make the rear seatbelt locations accesable .....
Versus 08-23-2005 08:28 PM

even if safety wasn't a concern, that belt is still ghetto because STi doesn't make a real version.

Its akin to running some knock off wheel that doesn't look like anything that volk has ever made, but the wheel has a big volk racing sticker/center cap on it.

that would be the most uncool thing.
Davenow 08-23-2005 08:59 PM

NOTHING is as uncool as driving on the street in a 4 pt harness
TampaSTI 08-23-2005 09:03 PM

Save your money you only need this [B]CG Lock[/B]

[url]http://www.kingofimports.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=259#details[/url]

[url]http://www.kingofimports.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=259[/url]


[IMG]http://x2.putfile.com/8/23119331378.jpg[/IMG]
flabele 08-24-2005 04:19 PM

[QUOTE=Davenow]NOTHING is as uncool as driving on the street in a 4 pt harness[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA :lol: SWEET BELT
2phless 08-24-2005 09:20 PM

I run a belt that looks similar looking at the hardware, but it's red and says subaru instead of STi. So mine isn't worth quite as much horsepower gain.

I only wear them at the auto-x, with a harness bar, and never on the street (except the first day to get them set snuggly and to see if they worked.) They do work to hold you in the seat. They do that just fine actually. But even at the auto-x I wear my stock belt under it. It's pretty well made, but I still am not going to stake my safety for it.
awdbeast 08-25-2005 01:07 PM

Those Sti logos look fake to me. The whole thing looks fake to me, actually.

What are you guys thinking buying cheap "safety" equipment?
Do it right or leave it O.E.M. original because they already did it right.
Do you value image or green pieces of paper more than your lives?
Where are your priorities? Get your heads examined!
E-Wrex 08-26-2005 03:47 AM

+1 on not buying cheap safety equipment.

There are few things that I'll buy off ebay that arent name brand: Strut bars and misc. little crap that doesn't really effect how the car is working, or that your life relies on.
Calamity Jesus 08-26-2005 09:05 AM

[img]http://www.mhawk.3d.pl/tubka.jpg[/img]
This is you when you get in a collision wearing a 4 point harness with no submarining strap. Essentially, there's nothing keeping the lap belt against your pelvis (the strongest bone in your body), so when your body starts to move hard against the belts, the shoulder straps tighten up, pull up on the lap belt and the 3 belts together squeeze you out as a bloody mess into the floorboards.

Don't be a n0ob. Buy a real harness or don't bother.
TreyS 08-26-2005 02:02 PM

This is the correct way to mount a belt w/o a harness bar or a rollbar.

[img]http://store1.yimg.com/I/soloracerdotcom_1691_61108[/img]

[img]http://store1.yimg.com/I/soloracerdotcom_1691_104231[/img]
Calamity Jesus 08-26-2005 02:55 PM

Those diagrams are for the Schroth Rallye 3 & Rallye 4 harnesses which [b]do[/b] have an anti-submarining device. I use a Rallye 3 myself for autocross. It's just stupid on the street though.. can't adjust the radio or back up.
boostinscooby 08-29-2005 02:29 PM

well i got them today, they have a quik release for the lap belt for normal going to work driving and they were pretty simple to install. And by the way i was right, theyre made by sabelt with sti patches sewed on. not bad for only 25 bucks
Mr. Sadface 08-29-2005 07:21 PM

Not to knock your belts, but... There are many knock-offs coming from Asia, that also have the "sabelt" name molded into the plastic. Kind of like the Bride seats that have the "Bride" name AND "Bride" tags. I guess I'm always a bit leary. It's not the look I'd worry about, as I'm sure they look good....it's the safety. Have fun with them and stay safe!
Davenow 08-30-2005 12:51 AM

[QUOTE=Beaverboy]Those diagrams are for the Schroth Rallye 3 & Rallye 4 harnesses which [b]do[/b] have an anti-submarining device. I use a Rallye 3 myself for autocross. It's just stupid on the street though.. can't adjust the radio or back up.[/QUOTE]

I have had 2 sets of Rallye 4's
They DO NOT have anti submarining. Anti submarining is a belt that between your legs. The Schroths you speak of do not have this.
Davenow 08-30-2005 12:52 AM

[QUOTE=boostinscooby]well i got them today, they have a quik release for the lap belt for normal going to work driving and they were pretty simple to install. And by the way i was right, theyre made by sabelt with sti patches sewed on. not bad for only 25 bucks[/QUOTE]

They are not made by sabelt. Thats a knockoff with a fake tag. Very common.
gellar 08-30-2005 01:35 AM

[QUOTE=boostinscooby]well i got them today, they have a quik release for the lap belt for normal going to work driving and they were pretty simple to install. And by the way i was right, theyre made by sabelt with sti patches sewed on. not bad for only 25 bucks[/QUOTE]

So let me get this straight: You're going to use a $25 EBay knock off for your [b]primary safety device[/b], AND install it incorrectly?

Darwin is in true form here.

Sergi
MomoWRX 08-30-2005 01:41 AM

[QUOTE=Kean].....ditto. ....and folks should think twice about tinkering with such devices unless they know what they're doing.[/QUOTE]

x3 i would buy exhaust off ebay, ICs...but not something that my life depends on.
MomoWRX 08-30-2005 01:42 AM

[QUOTE=dxrat]Why go cheap on one of the only things that will save your life in a crash?? It doesn't seem like a good idea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kean].....ditto. ....and folks should think twice about tinkering with such devices unless they know what they're doing.[/QUOTE]

x3 i would buy exhaust off ebay, ICs...but not something that my life depends on.
Davenow 08-30-2005 01:55 AM

this is truly the ricer mentality at its finest. Taking a huge risk with ones life for a piece of crap harness to impress people. Meanwhile the only people it will impress are morons. Anyone that actually knows anything will just shake their heads in disbelief

Seriously, if you just want the look, thats great, but for the love of god dont use that thing
boostinscooby 08-30-2005 01:45 PM

For all you freakin haters, i really dont give a s*** what yall think, and for your info i did install them corectly and Im going to use them for the nurburgring and drag racing. Also im going to use my stock seatbelt along with them,

If you all didnt already know, sorry but you might not be smart enough to know, harness's are used to hold you into your seat for more accurate driving. Thats why im still going to use my stock seatbelt along with them for safety.

Its not all about how much money you spend its about the quality of the item and these belts are pretty good quality. So go change out your pad and quit hatin!
DJ_STI 08-30-2005 01:50 PM

+1 for the cg-lock, I have one, i don't even autocross (yet), but for just driving around the street it definatly holds you in better.
Calamity Jesus 08-30-2005 04:30 PM

[QUOTE=Davenow]I have had 2 sets of Rallye 4's
They DO NOT have anti submarining. Anti submarining is a belt that between your legs. The Schroths you speak of do not have this.[/QUOTE]
There is a device on the inboard shoulder strap of each harness. It is an anti-subarining [b]device[/b]. It allows your upper body extra slack so that the lap belt will cinch up against your hips before the shoulder belts have a chance you squeeze you out like toothpaste.

[quote]Schroth (pronounced "shrote") Sport Seatbelt Harnesses are easy to use, providing increased safety and stability for street performance driving and �club� track events. All Schroth Sport harness belts feature their patented ASM� (anti-submarine) and energy conversion technology in the shoulder tail strap portion. In 30 mph crash tests, this has proven to slow forward thrust and whiplash, helping reduce important Head Injury Criteria (HIC) forces up to 50% when compared to non ASM� harness belts. Schroth Sport Harness belts are the only shoulder harnesses produced anywhere that have been certified to meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards performance requirements (FMVSS 209). This means they are the only street-legal sport shoulder harnesses available. In addition, all Schroth shoulder harness belts are tested and approved by Germany's TUV and meet current European ECE 16 standards.[/quote]
Davenow 08-30-2005 05:06 PM

[QUOTE=boostinscooby]For all you freakin haters, i really dont give a s*** what yall think, and for your info i did install them corectly and Im going to use them for the nurburgring and drag racing. Also im going to use my stock seatbelt along with them,

If you all didnt already know, sorry but you might not be smart enough to know, harness's are used to hold you into your seat for more accurate driving. Thats why im still going to use my stock seatbelt along with them for safety.

Its not all about how much money you spend its about the quality of the item and these belts are pretty good quality. So go change out your pad and quit hatin![/QUOTE]

Call us haters all you want. Its your spine that is going to snap like a twig if you wreck wearing that piece of crap. Please though, when you are a cripple, let me know so I can come call you Timmah:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your statement about its not about cost but quality is correct. IF you had a quality item, which you dont.
Mr. Sadface 08-30-2005 05:29 PM

Hmm... We�re not trying to �hate� on you man. I think we�re just trying to warn you of the repercussions of a shady safety device (and improper installation). Don�t chance it. That�s kind of like racing a motorcycle, while wearing a Styrofoam bicycle helmet.

If you�re worried about staying planted in your seat, why not try a one-piece bucket, with large bolsters? You won�t slide anywhere! Just don�t buy them on Ebay for $100...
Davenow 08-30-2005 07:52 PM

exactly man. I am not calling you dumb for running it because I think the harness is dumb.
I am calling you dumb for running it because you are dumb for running it. Why are you dumb for running it? Because it is a HUGE safety liability, regardless of how its mounted, its NOT a safe belt. I am calling you dumb because you are doing something that will potentially REALLY hurt you, and I dont want to see that.
boostinscooby 08-31-2005 01:31 PM

1. I mounted them corectly
2. If they break during a crash i will still be wearing my oem one under it.
3. You are all wrong!
4. Go rag on someone else idea!
badgerwrx 08-31-2005 01:52 PM

Oh my... maybe people were a little harsh in critizing the belt and the possible use of it... but you have to realize that if YOU are asking if the belt is okay on this forum then YOU DO NOT have the experience to install it properly or understand if it truly is a safe product. Lets ignore the fact that you should NEVER cut corners because of price when it comes to your safety.

People on here are truly trying to help you from potentially hurting yourself or someone else... did I read correctly that you bought two? Risking your life is one thing... PLEASE DO NOT let someone else use them until you get them inspected by a professional.
Mr. Sadface 08-31-2005 02:41 PM

Even if you use them in conjuction with your stock seatbelt, you're still running the risk of injuring yourself severely, as they are going to compress first in a crash. Good luck man...
Calamity Jesus 08-31-2005 02:50 PM

Trust me (and you'll figure this out on your own), you'll want to wear the OEM belt over the harness.. not under it.

You should be fine like that.. the pretensioners in the stock seatbelts should grab you before the eBay belts have a chance to do a number on you. Good for low speed staying in seatness.
godfather2112 08-31-2005 02:55 PM

just bolt them to the back seat belt bolts
badgerwrx 08-31-2005 03:07 PM

Ugh... ignore the directly above post. Come on people... :(
boostinscooby 08-31-2005 03:08 PM

yeh thats what i did, SOME PEOPLE JUST CANT COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AFTER I WROTE THAT I INSTALLED THEM CORRECT ABOUT 5 TIMES. GET A LIFE!
badgerwrx 08-31-2005 03:16 PM

Oh I see... apparently I missed somewhere that you were an expert :eek: I guess that is why YOU were asking US for an opinion on the belts :confused:

Listen bud, you need to relax for one, and remember we are just trying to make sure you don't get hurt. Just get it checked by a professional... just because the belts are in, doesn't mean they are right.
boostinscooby 08-31-2005 03:22 PM

Well im going to go drive my car off a cliff and ill get back to ya and let you know if they work! l8r
boostinscooby 08-31-2005 03:30 PM

by the way this was my original question! or can you not read 3rd grade english, you must be the expert!
boostinscooby 08-31-2005 03:31 PM

Has anybody installed these yet? I bought 2 of them and I was wondering if there were any complications on install.
badgerwrx 08-31-2005 03:35 PM

Fragmented sentences are supposed to make me understand you are an expert? :huh: Also, take a deep breath and relax, remember we are trying to help you.

I've said it once and I'll say it again... we are just looking out for your safety. Get them checked by a professional.
Calamity Jesus 08-31-2005 05:18 PM

Please people.. stop saying that you need to be an expert to install a harness... that's absolutely rediculous. It completely depends on what he's using the harness for. I'd be more worried about someone mis-installing their brakes than a harness. Do you think it makes you look any better when you're driving him insane by jumping to conclusions? He's barely gotten a word in edgewise thanks to the hounds jumping down his throat.
badgerwrx 08-31-2005 05:49 PM

If you notice I haven't jumped down his throat until he commented that I can't read, lol... all I've been saying all along is to get it checked out. He said he was going on the Nurburgring... that to me is serious, and makes me believe he is not doing it for show. He kept on missing my point and it concerns me when safety is involved. I'll stand by all my posts and apologize if I offended anyone.

I guess it's sad when people have the best intentions to help someone who posted a question on here... the original poster takes it personally because maybe the replies were not what they were looking for...

I'm done with it. Best of luck to you all and drive safe :p
Bad Noodle 06-02-2008 10:31 AM

So is it possible to get one of these to use for autox?

NOT to save your life, but to keep you from having to constantly brace yourself

I don't want to drive with one of these in the car, just wanna be able to throw it on for an autox event
SiFuSpEc 06-02-2008 11:03 AM

for autocross and [b]only[/b] autocross then i don't see why not..

i have a simpson 5-pt but i only use it for autocross as well.. stop's me moving around :lol:

i would not recommend for HPDE or track days though.
Bad Noodle 06-02-2008 11:05 AM

[quote=SiFuSpEc;22493300]for autocross and [B]only[/B] autocross then i don't see why not..

i have a simpson 5-pt but i only use it for autocross as well.. stop's me moving around :lol:

i would not recommend for HPDE or track days though.[/quote]


yeah I heard they check the specs on everything for those events.

I wanna to be able to throw it on the car as I get to the event... never drive with it on the street type of setup
twizzstyle 06-02-2008 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=Bad Noodle;22493327]yeah I heard they check the specs on everything for those events.

I wanna to be able to throw it on the car as I get to the event... never drive with it on the street type of setup[/QUOTE]

You can also make a simple strap with a clip that you wrap around your seat and your torso to hold you in place. Ghetto, I know, but lots of people do it in autox.
Bad Noodle 06-02-2008 02:48 PM

[quote=twizzstyle;22493830]You can also make a simple strap with a clip that you wrap around your seat and your torso to hold you in place. Ghetto, I know, but lots of people do it in autox.[/quote]

Not a bad idea... pics?
I Love Boobies 06-02-2008 03:40 PM

lol sounds like u use a large belt?

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