| mlambert | 05-26-2003 05:31 AM |
evo8 in STX rumblings
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According to some (not so good) sources over at evolution.net, the next issue of fasttrack there will news saying that the evo will be allowed in STX. They are also happy to boast that the usdm STi won't because of its displacement. I call wishful thinking....
| MNbiker | 05-26-2003 07:24 AM |
Re: evo8 in STX rumblings
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mlambert [/i]
[B]According to some (not so good) sources over at evolution.net, the next issue of fasttrack there will news saying that the evo will be allowed in STX. They are also happy to boast that the usdm STi won't because of its displacement. I call wishful thinking.... [/B][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it sounds like this is for real. Here's a thread with more info, from a somewhat more reliable source:
[url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streettouring/message/14601[/url]
FWIW - I think this is a very ill-conceived move. I love my WRX, but a moderately prepped EVO 8 will smoke it and every other car in STX. :(
-Steve
[B]According to some (not so good) sources over at evolution.net, the next issue of fasttrack there will news saying that the evo will be allowed in STX. They are also happy to boast that the usdm STi won't because of its displacement. I call wishful thinking.... [/B][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it sounds like this is for real. Here's a thread with more info, from a somewhat more reliable source:
[url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streettouring/message/14601[/url]
FWIW - I think this is a very ill-conceived move. I love my WRX, but a moderately prepped EVO 8 will smoke it and every other car in STX. :(
-Steve
| FlySpy | 05-26-2003 09:43 AM |
I find it hard to believe the SEB would change their minds so fast. It was in April's Fastrac that they put the Evo on the STX exclusion list. Maybe just wishful thinking for those Mitsu boys.
| KC | 05-26-2003 10:24 AM |
I was standing next to Tom and a few others when we were discussing this.
Future fastrack it is.
--kC
Future fastrack it is.
--kC
| ChrisW | 05-26-2003 11:24 AM |
very bad idea unless they can figure out a way to equalize the performance between the common AWD cars available to street touring.
I have also heard that the audi 1.8t A4 is going to be bumped to STX. Now they have a hard enough time competing in STS, how is that going to be fair compition against an EVO much less a WRX?
On the other hand, having the EVO and STI in STX would open interesting (and required) upgrades to the drivetrain to stay competitive. (update backdate rules)
I have also heard that the audi 1.8t A4 is going to be bumped to STX. Now they have a hard enough time competing in STS, how is that going to be fair compition against an EVO much less a WRX?
On the other hand, having the EVO and STI in STX would open interesting (and required) upgrades to the drivetrain to stay competitive. (update backdate rules)
| MNbiker | 05-26-2003 11:42 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]On the other hand, having the EVO and STI in STX would open interesting (and required) upgrades to the drivetrain to stay competitive. (update backdate rules) [/B][/QUOTE]
Me really, really wants a 2.5 STi engine in my wagon!:devil:
[B]On the other hand, having the EVO and STI in STX would open interesting (and required) upgrades to the drivetrain to stay competitive. (update backdate rules) [/B][/QUOTE]
Me really, really wants a 2.5 STi engine in my wagon!:devil:
| KC | 05-26-2003 11:46 AM |
One thing to keep in mind, like all rules, this is not official until it does appear in the Fastrack.
I'm not happy about it either. I'm a little surprised by it.
--kC
I'm not happy about it either. I'm a little surprised by it.
--kC
| spidey02wrx | 05-26-2003 08:15 PM |
well at a new york region event yesterday, there was a white evo VIII in STX with Tein coilovers (flex I think). the driver was a novice so it didn't do all that well but I'm sure it would have done very well with an experienced driver.
mark
mark
| zzyzx | 05-27-2003 12:31 AM |
Yes, this is the same group of genuinely inspired malcontents that plan to bump the 2.5 RS to STX in 2004, right? Hmm, a 165 HP AWD car vs. a 270 HP AWD car. I guess the Secret Car Club of America still reigns sumpreme. :rolleyes:
- Steve
P.S. Thanks for the enlightenment, KC. ;)
- Steve
P.S. Thanks for the enlightenment, KC. ;)
| mlambert | 05-27-2003 01:42 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zzyzx [/i]
[B]Yes, this is the same group of genuinely inspired malcontents that plan to bump the 2.5 RS to STX in 2004, right? Hmm, a 165 HP AWD car vs. a 270 HP AWD car. I guess the Secret Car Club of America still reigns sumpreme. :rolleyes: Sorry Mr. Johnson, you have a lot longer road ahead than you thought...
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Life in da hood, as they say.
Not that I agree, but take it as youre delt it.
[B]Yes, this is the same group of genuinely inspired malcontents that plan to bump the 2.5 RS to STX in 2004, right? Hmm, a 165 HP AWD car vs. a 270 HP AWD car. I guess the Secret Car Club of America still reigns sumpreme. :rolleyes: Sorry Mr. Johnson, you have a lot longer road ahead than you thought...
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Life in da hood, as they say.
Not that I agree, but take it as youre delt it.
| Kostamojen | 05-27-2003 03:52 AM |
Im starting to think the whole street touring class needs to be thrown out the door and re-worked... I mean, thousands of dollars worth of engine tuning is allowed, but i cant use a damn $100 anti lift kit??? I thought this class was supposed to represent the common, everyday modified cars :mad:
| zoomfactor | 05-27-2003 10:31 AM |
I'm getting a little disillusioned myself about STX. It seems like a moving target since I'm in the "build" stage. I sympathize with the rulemakers trying to keep things "even", but I would like to know the rationale behind some of the rules. We'll have to keep our eyes on the Fasttrack. 2.0L vs. 2.5L seems to play into Mitsu's hands.
Like MLAMBERT said
[QUOTE]Not that I agree, but take it as youre delt it[/QUOTE]
Like MLAMBERT said
[QUOTE]Not that I agree, but take it as youre delt it[/QUOTE]
| 10th Warrior | 05-27-2003 11:33 AM |
[QUOTE]but i cant use a damn $100 anti lift kit??? [/QUOTE]
trust me, if they allow suspension geometry to be moddified, its going to cost ALOT more then $100 to be anywhere near competitive.
trust me, if they allow suspension geometry to be moddified, its going to cost ALOT more then $100 to be anywhere near competitive.
| nevr2qk | 05-27-2003 11:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zzyzx [/i]
[B]Yes, this is the same group of genuinely inspired malcontents that plan to bump the 2.5 RS to STX in 2004, right? Hmm, a 165 HP AWD car vs. a 270 HP AWD car. I guess the Secret Car Club of America still reigns sumpreme.[/B][/QUOTE]
i know someone campaigning an rs in stx [b]this[/b] season and making a damn good show of it. top three in the first two mid-div's. the rs has more low end torque and does well in tight courses. perhaps you should give the seb a little more credit.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zoomfactor [/i]
[B]I'm getting a little disillusioned myself about STX. It seems like a moving target since I'm in the "build" stage. I sympathize with the rulemakers trying to keep things "even", but I would like to know the rationale behind some of the rules. We'll have to keep our eyes on the Fasttrack. 2.0L vs. 2.5L seems to play into Mitsu's hands.[/b][/quote]
this is true of *any* new class. how could it be otherwise? you're developing rules for an increasing number of cars that have not been classed.
i am very surprised to hear this about the evo, though. magazine comparisons seem to indicate it handles slightly better than the sti!
brock
[B]Yes, this is the same group of genuinely inspired malcontents that plan to bump the 2.5 RS to STX in 2004, right? Hmm, a 165 HP AWD car vs. a 270 HP AWD car. I guess the Secret Car Club of America still reigns sumpreme.[/B][/QUOTE]
i know someone campaigning an rs in stx [b]this[/b] season and making a damn good show of it. top three in the first two mid-div's. the rs has more low end torque and does well in tight courses. perhaps you should give the seb a little more credit.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zoomfactor [/i]
[B]I'm getting a little disillusioned myself about STX. It seems like a moving target since I'm in the "build" stage. I sympathize with the rulemakers trying to keep things "even", but I would like to know the rationale behind some of the rules. We'll have to keep our eyes on the Fasttrack. 2.0L vs. 2.5L seems to play into Mitsu's hands.[/b][/quote]
this is true of *any* new class. how could it be otherwise? you're developing rules for an increasing number of cars that have not been classed.
i am very surprised to hear this about the evo, though. magazine comparisons seem to indicate it handles slightly better than the sti!
brock
| trhoppe | 05-27-2003 11:57 AM |
This definetly makes for some fun reading.
I'm not scared myself ;)
-Tom
I'm not scared myself ;)
-Tom
| zoomfactor | 05-27-2003 03:09 PM |
[QUOTE]I'm not scared myself [/QUOTE]
Tom, that's because you're BAAAAADDD! Just need to keep feeding you & Kiko transmissions:D
Tom, that's because you're BAAAAADDD! Just need to keep feeding you & Kiko transmissions:D
| trhoppe | 05-27-2003 09:42 PM |
Well, this was all a joke :)
Evo 8 is not really going to be in STX........
Everyone can relax......
:alien:
Evo 8 is not really going to be in STX........
Everyone can relax......
:alien:
| KC | 05-27-2003 09:50 PM |
It's amazing what the powah of teh intarweb can do, ain't it? :D
Yes, I was there in the conception of the joke along with a few other key people.
Yes, it's a joke, was a joke, etc.... the Evo is not going into STX.
--kC
Yes, I was there in the conception of the joke along with a few other key people.
Yes, it's a joke, was a joke, etc.... the Evo is not going into STX.
--kC
| fengshui-fu | 05-27-2003 10:23 PM |
Way to kill your credability for posts to come.
chris
chris
| KC | 05-27-2003 10:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by fengshui-fu [/i]
[B]Way to kill your credability for posts to come.
chris [/B][/QUOTE]Ummm.... huh?
How does coming clean on a joke ruin credibility?
[B]Way to kill your credability for posts to come.
chris [/B][/QUOTE]Ummm.... huh?
How does coming clean on a joke ruin credibility?
| fengshui-fu | 05-27-2003 10:57 PM |
Well, since a few of the high and mighty Solo II'ers insist that they know 100% of the rules, people might get a false sense of what you are saying is the truth 100% of the time. If someone in the interim got schooled by an EVO in STX and didn't know he could protest it out of his class, he might be pissed as an example. If you actually care about credibility on a car forum then you should be more careful, thats all.
chris
chris
| Kostamojen | 05-28-2003 12:12 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 10th Warrior [/i]
[B]
trust me, if they allow suspension geometry to be moddified, its going to cost ALOT more then $100 to be anywhere near competitive. [/B][/QUOTE]
Most suspension geometry changes are not $100 bolt on mods readily bought from parts vendors... You have to allow suspension geometry changes to allow the anti-lift kit for our cars.
[B]
trust me, if they allow suspension geometry to be moddified, its going to cost ALOT more then $100 to be anywhere near competitive. [/B][/QUOTE]
Most suspension geometry changes are not $100 bolt on mods readily bought from parts vendors... You have to allow suspension geometry changes to allow the anti-lift kit for our cars.
| CamaroFS34 | 05-28-2003 01:13 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by fengshui-fu [/i]
[B]If someone in the interim got schooled by an EVO in STX and didn't know he could protest it out of his class, he might be pissed as an example. If you actually care about credibility on a car forum then you should be more careful, thats all.
[/B][/QUOTE]And if someone in the interim got schooled by an Evo in STX and didn't pay attention to the fact that KC [i]reminded[/i] people that "nothing's official until Fastrack is out," then whose fault is that?
Karen
[B]If someone in the interim got schooled by an EVO in STX and didn't know he could protest it out of his class, he might be pissed as an example. If you actually care about credibility on a car forum then you should be more careful, thats all.
[/B][/QUOTE]And if someone in the interim got schooled by an Evo in STX and didn't pay attention to the fact that KC [i]reminded[/i] people that "nothing's official until Fastrack is out," then whose fault is that?
Karen
| MNbiker | 05-28-2003 07:47 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Well, this was all a joke :)
Evo 8 is not really going to be in STX........
Everyone can relax......
:alien: [/B][/QUOTE]
[email�protected]! I wonder if they'll give my deposit back at the Mitsu dealer?:lol: :lol: :lol:
[B]Well, this was all a joke :)
Evo 8 is not really going to be in STX........
Everyone can relax......
:alien: [/B][/QUOTE]
[email�protected]! I wonder if they'll give my deposit back at the Mitsu dealer?:lol: :lol: :lol:
| trhoppe | 05-28-2003 09:04 AM |
Thats the beauty of the intraweb.
I guess my "credibility" is ruined :lol: :lol: :lol: muahahaha..... :evil grin:
I guess my "credibility" is ruined :lol: :lol: :lol: muahahaha..... :evil grin:
| KC | 05-28-2003 09:28 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by fengshui-fu [/i]
[B]Well, since a few of the high and mighty Solo II'ers insist that they know 100% of the rules, people might get a false sense of what you are saying is the truth 100% of the time. If someone in the interim got schooled by an EVO in STX and didn't know he could protest it out of his class, he might be pissed as an example. If you actually care about credibility on a car forum then you should be more careful, thats all.
chris [/B][/QUOTE]Is there a deeper issue that you have than just you worrying about my/our credibility here? With all the bickering recently with people trying to read into rules and make rules up or defend an otherwise illegal modification, I'm going to just sit back and watch it all unfold. Then when it comes time for a national event, THEN I'll make it known there and then (at the event) that what you did was illegal via a protest. Does that sound better? Or is it better to DISCUSS things before hand before spouting off about 'high and mighty solo-II'ers'. Sorry, I don't consider any of us high and mighty. We're just people, ya know? Same imperfections as you. (Now bow down and pay homage to the gods of auto-x and as your penenance, you must sacrifice a cone!) See? Sounds absurd. ;)
Sorry if we don't live up to your standards of behaviour... Is there a rule where we have to be perfect, straight and narrow? (BORING!) It was just a little fun this weekend. It actually brought up some VERY good conversation on the STS list. It got people THINKING about the future of the classes... unintended result, but healthy for the class none-the-less. :D
Like Karen said, it was posted, worded carefully, that 'its not legal until it appears in a future fastrack'. A fastrack doesn't get published but once a month, it's not a matter of a weekend. ;) So even yesterday or Monday, it was still not legal to run the car.
On a side note.... I understand an EVO actually ran in the NJ region in STX on saturday. I find it funny that happened, it was all a coincidence because the 'false news' wasn't posted until Sat night.
[B]Well, since a few of the high and mighty Solo II'ers insist that they know 100% of the rules, people might get a false sense of what you are saying is the truth 100% of the time. If someone in the interim got schooled by an EVO in STX and didn't know he could protest it out of his class, he might be pissed as an example. If you actually care about credibility on a car forum then you should be more careful, thats all.
chris [/B][/QUOTE]Is there a deeper issue that you have than just you worrying about my/our credibility here? With all the bickering recently with people trying to read into rules and make rules up or defend an otherwise illegal modification, I'm going to just sit back and watch it all unfold. Then when it comes time for a national event, THEN I'll make it known there and then (at the event) that what you did was illegal via a protest. Does that sound better? Or is it better to DISCUSS things before hand before spouting off about 'high and mighty solo-II'ers'. Sorry, I don't consider any of us high and mighty. We're just people, ya know? Same imperfections as you. (Now bow down and pay homage to the gods of auto-x and as your penenance, you must sacrifice a cone!) See? Sounds absurd. ;)
Sorry if we don't live up to your standards of behaviour... Is there a rule where we have to be perfect, straight and narrow? (BORING!) It was just a little fun this weekend. It actually brought up some VERY good conversation on the STS list. It got people THINKING about the future of the classes... unintended result, but healthy for the class none-the-less. :D
Like Karen said, it was posted, worded carefully, that 'its not legal until it appears in a future fastrack'. A fastrack doesn't get published but once a month, it's not a matter of a weekend. ;) So even yesterday or Monday, it was still not legal to run the car.
On a side note.... I understand an EVO actually ran in the NJ region in STX on saturday. I find it funny that happened, it was all a coincidence because the 'false news' wasn't posted until Sat night.
| trhoppe | 05-28-2003 09:46 AM |
Actually that jerkoff that posted that news, didnt do it until he got home on Sunday :lol: :lol:
| fengshui-fu | 05-28-2003 12:05 PM |
I have nothing against a little discussion on the matter, but sometimes it just needs to be made clear what is a hard fast rule as specified by the rulebooks and Fasttrack, and what is actually just a discussion point between us individuals who actually have a stake in the matter, whether it be STX class racers, or SM, or whatever. As new cars hit the field, the classifications need to be updated more regularly, and little side notes need to be added as to what cars are exceptions to certain classes. I mean the EVO 8 is 2.0L and turbo charged, which fits the same definition as our bug-eyed WRXes. But you guys are completely right as far as the Nationals go. Let the decisions be made there, so that they find their way into a Fasttrack quicker than at some local event where it might take too long to reach the rule writers.
As far as the joke goes, I'm sure alot of EVO folks who have read the post are prertty steamed about making up their "STX" letters ;)
chris
As far as the joke goes, I'm sure alot of EVO folks who have read the post are prertty steamed about making up their "STX" letters ;)
chris
| Scooby South | 05-28-2003 09:40 PM |
Well thats good....considering I am already down 100hp to most WRX's anyways...give me a tighter course...and I might stand a chance....a more 'open' National style course, No way, no how....I don't care WHO's driving my car...I t just aint' gonna happen...( A win at a national event or even a divisional)...."Here Mr Hoppe...here's my entry fee...my tire bill...gas money and hotel money....Because its pretty much a waste anyways...":mad:
Tom..not mad at you...just the stinkin rules sometimes...;)
God I can't wait to get my motor..and go to SM already...It should be interesting then...:D
Bill
Tom..not mad at you...just the stinkin rules sometimes...;)
God I can't wait to get my motor..and go to SM already...It should be interesting then...:D
Bill
| trhoppe | 05-28-2003 09:43 PM |
Bill, it was a joke eh! :lol:
I will agree with you though, the 2.5RS on an open course stands no chance against a STX prepped WRX. No matter who drives the damn thing.....
-Tom
I will agree with you though, the 2.5RS on an open course stands no chance against a STX prepped WRX. No matter who drives the damn thing.....
-Tom
| Scooby South | 05-29-2003 12:05 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Bill, it was a joke eh! :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
I know...hehehehe...just gettin a rise outta ya...;)....
[B]Bill, it was a joke eh! :lol:
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
I know...hehehehe...just gettin a rise outta ya...;)....
| TheWRX | 05-29-2003 10:19 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Scooby South [/i]
[B]It just aint' gonna happen...( A win at a national event or even a divisional)....[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, a 2.5 RS won a national event in STX last month...
[B]It just aint' gonna happen...( A win at a national event or even a divisional)....[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, a 2.5 RS won a national event in STX last month...
| trhoppe | 05-29-2003 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE]Well, a 2.5 RS won a national event in STX last month...[/QUOTE] It didnt have any STX competition though......
-Tom
-Tom
| CamaroFS34 | 05-29-2003 11:56 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] It didnt have any STX competition though......[/B][/QUOTE]Oooooo, I think Reto's gonna take offense to that! :o
Karen
ps. tom, check your yahoo email! :)
[B] It didnt have any STX competition though......[/B][/QUOTE]Oooooo, I think Reto's gonna take offense to that! :o
Karen
ps. tom, check your yahoo email! :)
| 10th Warrior | 05-29-2003 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] It didnt have any STX competition though......
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
daZamm!!! Reto got own3d :p
[B] It didnt have any STX competition though......
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
daZamm!!! Reto got own3d :p
| trhoppe | 05-29-2003 02:30 PM |
Who's Reto?
-Tom
-Tom
| TheWRX | 05-29-2003 02:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Who's Reto?[/B][/QUOTE]
That would be me. Don't worry Karen, I'm not that easily offended! But I thought that you might bite his head off? :lol:
[B]Who's Reto?[/B][/QUOTE]
That would be me. Don't worry Karen, I'm not that easily offended! But I thought that you might bite his head off? :lol:
| trhoppe | 05-29-2003 03:02 PM |
I was talking about this one.
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/fontana/results.html[/url]
Didnt see Reto anywhere :)
-Tom
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/fontana/results.html[/url]
Didnt see Reto anywhere :)
-Tom
| TheWRX | 05-29-2003 03:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I was talking about this one.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ah, ok, let's make it two RS victories then! I was thinking of Pat L.'s win at the Topeka Pro.
[B]I was talking about this one.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ah, ok, let's make it two RS victories then! I was thinking of Pat L.'s win at the Topeka Pro.
| Draken | 05-29-2003 07:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I was talking about this one.
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/fontana/results.html[/url]
Didnt see Reto anywhere :)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
funny part was...I wasn't even going to run STX in Fontana. I was signed up to run Will Kalman's Escort in STS while I was down there on vacation. But then a friend with a 2.5RS decided to join in on the fun :)
You're right...I didn't have any STX competition. The Yellow WRX Wagon should have been in SM!
Too bad my sand bagging on Sunday didn't work out in the challenge. Damn timing error..
Chris H.
[B]I was talking about this one.
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/fontana/results.html[/url]
Didnt see Reto anywhere :)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
funny part was...I wasn't even going to run STX in Fontana. I was signed up to run Will Kalman's Escort in STS while I was down there on vacation. But then a friend with a 2.5RS decided to join in on the fun :)
You're right...I didn't have any STX competition. The Yellow WRX Wagon should have been in SM!
Too bad my sand bagging on Sunday didn't work out in the challenge. Damn timing error..
Chris H.
| Scooby South | 05-29-2003 08:07 PM |
OK...enough.....
I was referencing the national championship at Topeka.... because thats where I Guaged the RS overall
[URL=http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nationals/2002/results/stx.html]2002 Topeka Results...[/URL]
....I love my RS....it just doesn't have the grunt that a TOTALLY prepped WRX in the STX catogory....I have beaten WRX's in STX locally...but not at a national event...and no it not the car or the driver...it all depends on course setup....period...if its a open course...then no way...if its a tight twisty course...I would have a better chance...thats all I was saying...
However..I do have a suggestion for all of you...come to a Subaru Shootout in your area....and see how a RS does...
[URL=http://www.subaruchallenge.com]SUBARU Challenge[/URL]
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I was referencing the national championship at Topeka.... because thats where I Guaged the RS overall
[URL=http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nationals/2002/results/stx.html]2002 Topeka Results...[/URL]
....I love my RS....it just doesn't have the grunt that a TOTALLY prepped WRX in the STX catogory....I have beaten WRX's in STX locally...but not at a national event...and no it not the car or the driver...it all depends on course setup....period...if its a open course...then no way...if its a tight twisty course...I would have a better chance...thats all I was saying...
However..I do have a suggestion for all of you...come to a Subaru Shootout in your area....and see how a RS does...
[URL=http://www.subaruchallenge.com]SUBARU Challenge[/URL]
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| KC | 05-29-2003 08:34 PM |
What, you're basing your thoughts on last years results where Ralph beat me by .007?
I was driving on my broken DMS 40s with a spring rate and valving that, IMHO, is no better than stock. Plus, stock exhaust, no ecu mods... trust me, you ain't seen nuthin yet. :D
A 2.5RS doesn't have much of a chance this year. Why do I say that? I'm not even going to compare it to a WRX.
They've had YEARS to beat an ITR. An ITR is in DS. A 2.5 is finally classed right in GS. They should have never been together in the 1st place. The RS is down on both HP and weight vs an ITR. The ITR will STILL beat on an RS up and down both coasts.
Now, you have them in the same class again? (Prove me wrong Pat) :D
--kC
I was driving on my broken DMS 40s with a spring rate and valving that, IMHO, is no better than stock. Plus, stock exhaust, no ecu mods... trust me, you ain't seen nuthin yet. :D
A 2.5RS doesn't have much of a chance this year. Why do I say that? I'm not even going to compare it to a WRX.
They've had YEARS to beat an ITR. An ITR is in DS. A 2.5 is finally classed right in GS. They should have never been together in the 1st place. The RS is down on both HP and weight vs an ITR. The ITR will STILL beat on an RS up and down both coasts.
Now, you have them in the same class again? (Prove me wrong Pat) :D
--kC
| Scooby South | 05-29-2003 08:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]What, you're basing your thoughts on last years results where Ralph beat me by .007?
I was driving on my broken DMS 40s with a spring rate and valving that, IMHO, is no better than stock. Plus, stock exhaust, no ecu mods... trust me, you ain't seen nuthin yet. :D
A 2.5RS doesn't have much of a chance this year. Why do I say that? I'm not even going to compare it to a WRX.
They've had YEARS to beat an ITR. An ITR is in DS. A 2.5 is finally classed right in GS. They should have never been together in the 1st place. The RS is down on both HP and weight vs an ITR. The ITR will STILL beat on an RS up and down both coasts.
Now, you have them in the same class again? (Prove me wrong Pat) :D
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Well not exactly...but you get the idea....
if a RS and WRX have the same suspension (you pick brand here) the RS has a intake and a header back...and the WRX has a uppipe, exhaust (Turboback), a ECU inhancement of some sort and even the stock turbo...its going to stomp a RS...theres no way a 140 hp awhp is going to beat 230 awhp ....sorry...I still don't believe it ....especially since the WRX can fit a 245 tire on and the RS ...if your lucky...might get a 225 on... unless you run a 15 in rim on the RS...(which now gives up Brakes, which is the ONLY reason I am in STX anyway...) if you use that size...
weight is not much an issue either....Tom's WRX weighed in at 3000 even pretty much....my RS was 2850...
with both of them on sorted suspensions.....good tires....and decent drivers in both...The WRX will win EVERYTIME...
a well sorted RS has to take ALOT more RISKs than a WRX with a similar setup... Yes???? unless its a tighter course.....Quick and Nimble can only get a RS so far...
Bill
[B]What, you're basing your thoughts on last years results where Ralph beat me by .007?
I was driving on my broken DMS 40s with a spring rate and valving that, IMHO, is no better than stock. Plus, stock exhaust, no ecu mods... trust me, you ain't seen nuthin yet. :D
A 2.5RS doesn't have much of a chance this year. Why do I say that? I'm not even going to compare it to a WRX.
They've had YEARS to beat an ITR. An ITR is in DS. A 2.5 is finally classed right in GS. They should have never been together in the 1st place. The RS is down on both HP and weight vs an ITR. The ITR will STILL beat on an RS up and down both coasts.
Now, you have them in the same class again? (Prove me wrong Pat) :D
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Well not exactly...but you get the idea....
if a RS and WRX have the same suspension (you pick brand here) the RS has a intake and a header back...and the WRX has a uppipe, exhaust (Turboback), a ECU inhancement of some sort and even the stock turbo...its going to stomp a RS...theres no way a 140 hp awhp is going to beat 230 awhp ....sorry...I still don't believe it ....especially since the WRX can fit a 245 tire on and the RS ...if your lucky...might get a 225 on... unless you run a 15 in rim on the RS...(which now gives up Brakes, which is the ONLY reason I am in STX anyway...) if you use that size...
weight is not much an issue either....Tom's WRX weighed in at 3000 even pretty much....my RS was 2850...
with both of them on sorted suspensions.....good tires....and decent drivers in both...The WRX will win EVERYTIME...
a well sorted RS has to take ALOT more RISKs than a WRX with a similar setup... Yes???? unless its a tighter course.....Quick and Nimble can only get a RS so far...
Bill
| Davenow | 05-30-2003 08:48 AM |
again, so glad I chose to modify boost and play in SM:rolleyes:
| Draken | 05-30-2003 11:21 AM |
our '99 2.5RS weighed 2792 lbs in Fontana, on the Model 7 rims and 215 Toyos.
oh yeah...245s fit on the front of a 2.5RS, unless it is slammed. Of course...nobody makes a great 245/45-16 ST tire unfortunately.
I agree about the WRX and Type R. A 2.5 won't stand a chance. given the course in Atwater, I should have driven the Type R I was offered, but didn't want to leave my co-driver out in the cold.
Chris H.
oh yeah...245s fit on the front of a 2.5RS, unless it is slammed. Of course...nobody makes a great 245/45-16 ST tire unfortunately.
I agree about the WRX and Type R. A 2.5 won't stand a chance. given the course in Atwater, I should have driven the Type R I was offered, but didn't want to leave my co-driver out in the cold.
Chris H.
| Achilles38WRX | 05-30-2003 03:14 PM |
man i'm out of it, didnt see this topic until today.
but thanks anyway guys, after the junk i ate for lunch i needed something to get my heart rate going, the first page of this post did just that!:eek: :)
the only evo thats shown up for local events to date (chicago region) hasnt run very well.
but thanks anyway guys, after the junk i ate for lunch i needed something to get my heart rate going, the first page of this post did just that!:eek: :)
the only evo thats shown up for local events to date (chicago region) hasnt run very well.
| mlambert | 05-30-2003 07:37 PM |
I'm glad this turned out to be a joke
| Tats | 05-31-2003 02:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]
Me really, really wants a 2.5 STi engine in my wagon!:devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
And welcome to Streed Mod.
Tats.
[B]
Me really, really wants a 2.5 STi engine in my wagon!:devil: [/B][/QUOTE]
And welcome to Streed Mod.
Tats.
| MNbiker | 05-31-2003 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tats [/i]
[B]
And welcome to Streed Mod.
Tats. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I'm thinking ESP - it would be mighty fun picking on camaros & moostangs with a wagon.:devil:
(This assumes the WRX & STi end up on the same line in the SP listing - not a sure thing, by any means.)
[B]
And welcome to Streed Mod.
Tats. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I'm thinking ESP - it would be mighty fun picking on camaros & moostangs with a wagon.:devil:
(This assumes the WRX & STi end up on the same line in the SP listing - not a sure thing, by any means.)
| mofugga | 05-31-2003 03:43 PM |
so moving the 2.5RS to STX isn't a joke?
| MNbiker | 05-31-2003 05:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mofugga [/i]
[B]so moving the 2.5RS to STX isn't a joke? [/B][/QUOTE]
That proposal is still under discussion, and wouldn't happen until the 2004 season, if at all.
[B]so moving the 2.5RS to STX isn't a joke? [/B][/QUOTE]
That proposal is still under discussion, and wouldn't happen until the 2004 season, if at all.
| SUV-ETR | 06-05-2003 02:36 PM |
I heard that they're gonna make a special allowance for the STi in STX. After all, it is a 2.0L in every other country...
Neal
:devil:
Neal
:devil:
| WRX 2002 | 06-06-2003 04:11 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Achilles38WRX [/i]
[B]man i'm out of it, didnt see this topic until today.
but thanks anyway guys, after the junk i ate for lunch i needed something to get my heart rate going, the first page of this post did just that!:eek: :)
the only evo thats shown up for local events to date (chicago region) hasnt run very well. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mark, what you are saying the STi will be in STX next year, its only natural, STI in STX..!
[B]man i'm out of it, didnt see this topic until today.
but thanks anyway guys, after the junk i ate for lunch i needed something to get my heart rate going, the first page of this post did just that!:eek: :)
the only evo thats shown up for local events to date (chicago region) hasnt run very well. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mark, what you are saying the STi will be in STX next year, its only natural, STI in STX..!
| MNbiker | 06-07-2003 12:33 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRX 2002 [/i]
[B]
Mark, what you are saying the STi will be in STX next year, its only natural, STI in STX..! [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I heard they were going to RENAME the entire class to STi :lol:
[B]
Mark, what you are saying the STi will be in STX next year, its only natural, STI in STX..! [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I heard they were going to RENAME the entire class to STi :lol:
| WRX 2002 | 06-07-2003 11:27 PM |
The "x" in STX was just waiting for the STi to be released..the name change will happen shortly.
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