| AUTOwrXER | 12-20-2005 03:54 PM |
February Fastrack is out
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[url]http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/06-2-fastrack.pdf[/url]
Not much new news, but the JCW Mini Cooper S in STX could be interesting...
Not much new news, but the JCW Mini Cooper S in STX could be interesting...
| 10th Warrior | 12-20-2005 04:29 PM |
lots of news in the club racing section ;)
| AUTOwrXER | 12-20-2005 04:37 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]lots of news in the club racing section ;)[/QUOTE]
General section?
General section?
| solo2wrx | 12-20-2005 04:44 PM |
I have to agree the JCW Mini will be some good competition in STX.
| 10th Warrior | 12-20-2005 05:19 PM |
yeah, like limiting the runoffs to 24 classes and a bunch of car specs for SS and T (the latter under club racing proper).
| kwak | 12-20-2005 08:17 PM |
Some club racing tidbits:
There were 23 national classes this year. Two more are added for next year, T3 and Spec Miata, but only 24 classes get to be in the Runoffs next year based on participation levels. The smallest class at the Runoffs this year was S2000 with only 15 cars.
In T1/T2, GM had been submitting compression specs higher than stock and has to go back to stock just like everyone else.
In SSC the Mini drops weight and gets a restrictor eventhough a Mini and a Civic ran nose to tail for the whole race at the Runoffs.
There were 23 national classes this year. Two more are added for next year, T3 and Spec Miata, but only 24 classes get to be in the Runoffs next year based on participation levels. The smallest class at the Runoffs this year was S2000 with only 15 cars.
In T1/T2, GM had been submitting compression specs higher than stock and has to go back to stock just like everyone else.
In SSC the Mini drops weight and gets a restrictor eventhough a Mini and a Civic ran nose to tail for the whole race at the Runoffs.
| trhoppe | 12-22-2005 01:15 AM |
Feb Fastrack and STX
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Anyone else see the Mini Cooper Works is now allowed in STX? 40hp and 20tq over a regular. IMHO thats going to be the top dog for non ProSolo STX :(
-Tom
-Tom
| Draken | 12-22-2005 01:47 AM |
How many other B-Stock cars are in STX?
Hoppe is a *****.
Oh yeah, might be a good application for that funky sized Toyo we discussed yesterday.
Chris H.
Hoppe is a *****.
Oh yeah, might be a good application for that funky sized Toyo we discussed yesterday.
Chris H.
| WReXer | 12-22-2005 06:42 AM |
Looks like the subframe is officially allowed in Street Mod.
| Scoobie Doogie | 12-22-2005 07:17 AM |
Why the JCW package in STX? I thought that the JCW package went straight to BSP? I must have missed something.
| KC | 12-22-2005 07:53 AM |
[QUOTE=Scoobie Doogie]Why the JCW package in STX? I thought that the JCW package went straight to BSP? I must have missed something.[/QUOTE]
It's in BS... but I agree... it shouldn't be in STX... it should be STU.
Something something 1 year something reclass.
I wish these guys would think stuff through. STS=HS & GS with the slower DS, STX=FS & the other side of DS. STU = AS & BS.
--kC
It's in BS... but I agree... it shouldn't be in STX... it should be STU.
Something something 1 year something reclass.
I wish these guys would think stuff through. STS=HS & GS with the slower DS, STX=FS & the other side of DS. STU = AS & BS.
--kC
| omahasubaru | 12-22-2005 08:13 AM |
I was more intrigued by the DS cars going to GS.
If someone does prep one of these mini's will surely be interesting.
If someone does prep one of these mini's will surely be interesting.
| CamaroFS34 | 12-22-2005 08:18 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]STX=FS & the other side of DS.[/QUOTE]
No, STX = low displacement FS. The more dominant FS motors (LT1, LS1, LS2) are STU fodder.
Karen
No, STX = low displacement FS. The more dominant FS motors (LT1, LS1, LS2) are STU fodder.
Karen
| KC | 12-22-2005 08:34 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]No, STX = low displacement FS. The more dominant FS motors (LT1, LS1, LS2) are STU fodder.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I caught that when I was doing the sccaforums post. :)
Karen[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I caught that when I was doing the sccaforums post. :)
| PhilC | 12-22-2005 08:43 AM |
Since the aftermarket dealer installed JCW kit is also legal I'd guess Richard's Mini will have one the next time it appears so we'll likely see a well prepped JCW pretty soon. Don't know if Courtney will be driving that car this coming year or not but it would be interesting to see what he could do with a few more HP.
| solo2wrx | 12-22-2005 09:28 AM |
I believe that an 05 JCW Mini S with LSD will definitely be top dog in STX. As long as some decent drivers step up to build or drive one.
| Patrick L | 12-22-2005 10:34 AM |
[quote]
(JCW) option package is
legal for STX. In addition, the dealerinstalled
JCW packaged Mini S which
was previously allowed only in supplemental
class STU is now classed in
STX.[/quote]
WTH, they would not allow dealer installed 17" wheels for the WRX for DS pre-06 model.
(JCW) option package is
legal for STX. In addition, the dealerinstalled
JCW packaged Mini S which
was previously allowed only in supplemental
class STU is now classed in
STX.[/quote]
WTH, they would not allow dealer installed 17" wheels for the WRX for DS pre-06 model.
| Patrick L | 12-22-2005 10:37 AM |
[QUOTE=Draken]How many other B-Stock cars are in STX?
Hoppe is a *****.
Oh yeah, might be a good application for that funky sized Toyo we discussed yesterday.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
Isn't the G35 Coupe allow in STX or does it go striaght to STU.
Hoppe is a *****.
Oh yeah, might be a good application for that funky sized Toyo we discussed yesterday.
Chris H.[/QUOTE]
Isn't the G35 Coupe allow in STX or does it go striaght to STU.
| 10th Warrior | 12-22-2005 10:39 AM |
[quote]WTH, they would not allow dealer installed 17" wheels for the WRX for DS.[/quote]
what does that have to do with STX? I think they classed the older dealer option so there was more than one year of the car available to people, as it will no doubt, be a quick car for the class. It doesn't make alot of sense to have the factory version in STX and the dealer version in STU, either.
what does that have to do with STX? I think they classed the older dealer option so there was more than one year of the car available to people, as it will no doubt, be a quick car for the class. It doesn't make alot of sense to have the factory version in STX and the dealer version in STU, either.
| Patrick L | 12-22-2005 10:42 AM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]what does that have to do with STX? I think they classed the older dealer option so there was more than one year of the car available to people, as it will no doubt, be a quick car for the class. It doesn't make alot of sense to have the factory version in STX and the dealer version in STU, either.[/QUOTE]
I was talking that fact that it's in a Stock class. And it's a dealer installed item.
I was talking that fact that it's in a Stock class. And it's a dealer installed item.
| KC | 12-22-2005 10:44 AM |
[QUOTE=Top_Dog]I was talking that fact that it's in a Stock class. And it's a dealer installed item.[/QUOTE]
I think I know where you're going with this...
'06 JCW is a line item from the factory. You can say for certain the JCW is dealer installed and not factory?
I think I know where you're going with this...
'06 JCW is a line item from the factory. You can say for certain the JCW is dealer installed and not factory?
| ChrisDP | 12-22-2005 10:49 AM |
Can you order the JCW performance bits separately, or do you have to get them with the headlights etc. also? Richard and I talked about this a while ago, but I've forgotten just how many permutations of "legal" and "illegal" we came up with in terms of applying the JCW parts to his older car as a package conversion, what parts could be left out/"substituted" under comfort/convenience, if he'd have to order an '06 JCW car from the dealer, or get a regular '06 Cooper S and then get the JCW performance bits installed at the dealer for it to be legal etc.
As for seeing Court in the Mini... ehh, the season starts soon enough. He might be in something bright yellow instead. You'd think that's a good hint, but it's really not :) Sorry!
As for seeing Court in the Mini... ehh, the season starts soon enough. He might be in something bright yellow instead. You'd think that's a good hint, but it's really not :) Sorry!
| PhilC | 12-22-2005 10:49 AM |
[QUOTE=solo2wrx]I believe that an 05 JCW Mini S with LSD will definitely be top dog in STX. As long as some decent drivers step up to build or drive one.[/QUOTE]
Courtney was of the opinion that even if he had an '05 he'd throw away the factory diff for a Quaife as the factory diff just wouldn't cut it.
Courtney was of the opinion that even if he had an '05 he'd throw away the factory diff for a Quaife as the factory diff just wouldn't cut it.
| neuspeed | 12-22-2005 10:51 AM |
JCW kit comes with a LSD aka you can't order a JCW kit out it so one is definitely stuck in the rules there
| Patrick L | 12-22-2005 10:53 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]I think I know where you're going with this...
'06 JCW is a line item from the factory. You can say for certain the JCW is dealer installed and not factory?[/QUOTE]
Well that is what they are saying in the Fastrack.
[quote](JCW) option package is
legal for STX. In addition, the dealerinstalled
JCW packaged Mini S which
was previously allowed only in supplemental
class STU is now classed in
STX. [/quote]
Is this package for the 06 Mini a Factory installed item or installed after the fact.
'06 JCW is a line item from the factory. You can say for certain the JCW is dealer installed and not factory?[/QUOTE]
Well that is what they are saying in the Fastrack.
[quote](JCW) option package is
legal for STX. In addition, the dealerinstalled
JCW packaged Mini S which
was previously allowed only in supplemental
class STU is now classed in
STX. [/quote]
Is this package for the 06 Mini a Factory installed item or installed after the fact.
| ratt_finkel | 12-22-2005 10:59 AM |
Bah, the mini still can't fit 245's.
| jcroy66 | 12-22-2005 11:18 AM |
I say: "Bring em on!" :)
I'm quite happy to have a good mix of cars be competitive in the class. And I don't really see the JCW being a complete and total overdog. It's possible it might become the #1 car to have, but as long as the other existing cars are still in the ballpark, that's good enough for me. :)
I'm quite happy to have a good mix of cars be competitive in the class. And I don't really see the JCW being a complete and total overdog. It's possible it might become the #1 car to have, but as long as the other existing cars are still in the ballpark, that's good enough for me. :)
| Sideshowbob | 12-22-2005 11:32 AM |
I agree with Bring Em' on.
| angryfist | 12-22-2005 11:44 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]I say: "Bring em on!" :)[/QUOTE]
i agree... its going to be good competition but i still think our cars are going to get even faster... i still have some tricks up my sleeve.... :devil:
i agree... its going to be good competition but i still think our cars are going to get even faster... i still have some tricks up my sleeve.... :devil:
| mccanixx | 12-22-2005 12:16 PM |
[QUOTE=angryfist]i agree... its going to be good competition but i still think our cars are going to get even faster... i still have some tricks up my sleeve.... :devil:[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate Jason :) ? I've got some black-ops, double secret projects of my own going on down here. I also say bring da mini's on I think it could be good for the class. And I know I have no intentions of going slower next year. :devil:
Care to elaborate Jason :) ? I've got some black-ops, double secret projects of my own going on down here. I also say bring da mini's on I think it could be good for the class. And I know I have no intentions of going slower next year. :devil:
| 10th Warrior | 12-22-2005 01:29 PM |
the 06 is factory installed, which is why it, and only it, is classed in BS. The previous ones are not, and were buried in STU just to give them a place. Therefore, the 06 is perfectly legal from STX unless they specfically excluded it, which makes no sense. I guess they decided it was silly to have the previous dealer-installed version in a seperate ST class. Plus it opens the option of getting a non-new car and still being competitive in case the 06 JCW becomes dominate. It all makes sense to me.
| KC | 12-22-2005 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]the 06 is factory installed, which is why it, and only it, is classed in BS. The previous ones are not, and were buried in STU just to give them a place. Therefore, the 06 is perfectly legal from STX unless they specfically excluded it, which makes no sense. I guess they decided it was silly to have the previous dealer-installed version in a seperate ST class. Plus it opens the option of getting a non-new car and still being competitive in case the 06 JCW becomes dominate. It all makes sense to me.[/QUOTE]
You mean Update/Backdate the older cars to the current state of JCW? ;) :devil:
Yeah.. I went there.
You mean Update/Backdate the older cars to the current state of JCW? ;) :devil:
Yeah.. I went there.
| ratt_finkel | 12-22-2005 01:39 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]You mean Update/Backdate the older cars to the current state of JCW? ;) :devil:
Yeah.. I went there.[/QUOTE]
Bingo, except there are only going to make this ONE exception :rolleyes:
I hate to wave the flag and it has nothing to do with my dog in this fight. But hello, Mini favortism much?
Yeah.. I went there.[/QUOTE]
Bingo, except there are only going to make this ONE exception :rolleyes:
I hate to wave the flag and it has nothing to do with my dog in this fight. But hello, Mini favortism much?
| 10th Warrior | 12-22-2005 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]You mean Update/Backdate the older cars to the current state of JCW? ;) :devil:
Yeah.. I went there.[/QUOTE]
that's not what the rule says at all. no ud/bd, just an options package [i]for the correct model year[/i]. Same as you can do in Stock. The only thing different about this is this option was dealer installed, and has now become factory installed. Since the factory installed one [i]should[/i] be in STX (i don't see how you could argue that a car that meets the objective entry requirements and fits the 'spirit' of the class should be excluded), they decided to move the other ones, which had already been allowed in ST into the same class. makes sense to me. The only complaint that I think is justified is that the dealer option was allowed in STU in the first place, yet I don't remember anyone, not even kc, taking up arms about that one :p
oh yeah, one more thing, exceptions have been made since the beginning of ST, such as the 1.8T vw in STS, etc.
and one more thing, as an ex-GS'er, i hate minis as much as the next guy, and i really disagree with the S's classification, but i hardly see this as an extension of that. the 06 JCW clearly, clearly fits in STX. the movement of the older ones to be in line with the 06 is just housekeeping, IMO. no scandal to keep us inthralled through the offseason, unfortunately ;)
Yeah.. I went there.[/QUOTE]
that's not what the rule says at all. no ud/bd, just an options package [i]for the correct model year[/i]. Same as you can do in Stock. The only thing different about this is this option was dealer installed, and has now become factory installed. Since the factory installed one [i]should[/i] be in STX (i don't see how you could argue that a car that meets the objective entry requirements and fits the 'spirit' of the class should be excluded), they decided to move the other ones, which had already been allowed in ST into the same class. makes sense to me. The only complaint that I think is justified is that the dealer option was allowed in STU in the first place, yet I don't remember anyone, not even kc, taking up arms about that one :p
oh yeah, one more thing, exceptions have been made since the beginning of ST, such as the 1.8T vw in STS, etc.
and one more thing, as an ex-GS'er, i hate minis as much as the next guy, and i really disagree with the S's classification, but i hardly see this as an extension of that. the 06 JCW clearly, clearly fits in STX. the movement of the older ones to be in line with the 06 is just housekeeping, IMO. no scandal to keep us inthralled through the offseason, unfortunately ;)
| ratt_finkel | 12-22-2005 03:49 PM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]
and one more thing, as an ex-GS'er, i hate minis as much as the next guy, and i really disagree with the S's classification, but i hardly see this as an extension of that. the 06 JCW clearly, clearly fits in STX. the movement of the older ones to be in line with the 06 is just housekeeping, IMO. no scandal to keep us inthralled through the offseason, unfortunately ;)[/QUOTE]
I don't have Mini's. In fact, when they came out I wanted really badly. But was unimpresed with the numbers they produced on paper.
My personal agenda has nothing do with discussing their class placement.
My point is, now, you can go snag an 02 MCS, slap on the JCW kit, a quaffie or other diff and run it in STX. That seems a little odd to me. I mean, we don't allow the STS guys to swap in a 91 Si motor into an 88 shell.
And I can guarantee that an 02 MCS weighs less than an 06.
and one more thing, as an ex-GS'er, i hate minis as much as the next guy, and i really disagree with the S's classification, but i hardly see this as an extension of that. the 06 JCW clearly, clearly fits in STX. the movement of the older ones to be in line with the 06 is just housekeeping, IMO. no scandal to keep us inthralled through the offseason, unfortunately ;)[/QUOTE]
I don't have Mini's. In fact, when they came out I wanted really badly. But was unimpresed with the numbers they produced on paper.
My personal agenda has nothing do with discussing their class placement.
My point is, now, you can go snag an 02 MCS, slap on the JCW kit, a quaffie or other diff and run it in STX. That seems a little odd to me. I mean, we don't allow the STS guys to swap in a 91 Si motor into an 88 shell.
And I can guarantee that an 02 MCS weighs less than an 06.
| 10th Warrior | 12-22-2005 04:13 PM |
[quote]And I can guarantee that an 02 MCS weighs less than an 06.[/quote]
its also got less power and worse gearing :rolleyes:
[quote]My point is, now, you can go snag an 02 MCS, slap on the JCW kit, a quaffie or other diff and run it in STX. That seems a little odd to me[/quote]
seems cheaper to me than doing the same thing but with a brand-spanking-new 06, whose classing is cut and dry. Like I said, the arguement [i]should[/i] have been made when the dealer-installed JCW was classed in STU, and, yet, no one cared.
[quote]I mean, we don't allow the STS guys to swap in a 91 Si motor into an 88 shell.[/quote]
i don't understand the confusion of ud/bd in all of this? this is adding a option package, available to a particular model year, to that same model year. its just like all those 99 Sport miatae running around that didn't start life as a sport.
oh, and if you want to talk about make conspiracy theories, how about all those port-installed WRX options being legal for DS :lol:
for the record, i love the 05 mini s, and believe it would make a great DS car ;)
its also got less power and worse gearing :rolleyes:
[quote]My point is, now, you can go snag an 02 MCS, slap on the JCW kit, a quaffie or other diff and run it in STX. That seems a little odd to me[/quote]
seems cheaper to me than doing the same thing but with a brand-spanking-new 06, whose classing is cut and dry. Like I said, the arguement [i]should[/i] have been made when the dealer-installed JCW was classed in STU, and, yet, no one cared.
[quote]I mean, we don't allow the STS guys to swap in a 91 Si motor into an 88 shell.[/quote]
i don't understand the confusion of ud/bd in all of this? this is adding a option package, available to a particular model year, to that same model year. its just like all those 99 Sport miatae running around that didn't start life as a sport.
oh, and if you want to talk about make conspiracy theories, how about all those port-installed WRX options being legal for DS :lol:
for the record, i love the 05 mini s, and believe it would make a great DS car ;)
| maxQ | 12-22-2005 04:46 PM |
[QUOTE=ChrisDP]
As for seeing Court in the Mini... ehh, the season starts soon enough. He might be in something bright yellow instead. You'd think that's a good hint, but it's really not :) Sorry![/QUOTE]
Better than puke green. :D
Andy
As for seeing Court in the Mini... ehh, the season starts soon enough. He might be in something bright yellow instead. You'd think that's a good hint, but it's really not :) Sorry![/QUOTE]
Better than puke green. :D
Andy
| DrBiggly | 12-22-2005 07:14 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]I say: "Bring em on!" :)
I'm quite happy to have a good mix of cars be competitive in the class. And I don't really see the JCW being a complete and total overdog. It's possible it might become the #1 car to have, but as long as the other existing cars are still in the ballpark, that's good enough for me. :)[/QUOTE]
Put someone like Mark Chiles in a JCW Mini prepped for STX. He ran down every stock class raw time but BS and SS in the middle of the year at an event in his Mini. GS Mini if I recall properly.
-Biggly
I'm quite happy to have a good mix of cars be competitive in the class. And I don't really see the JCW being a complete and total overdog. It's possible it might become the #1 car to have, but as long as the other existing cars are still in the ballpark, that's good enough for me. :)[/QUOTE]
Put someone like Mark Chiles in a JCW Mini prepped for STX. He ran down every stock class raw time but BS and SS in the middle of the year at an event in his Mini. GS Mini if I recall properly.
-Biggly
| Mhyrr | 12-22-2005 07:29 PM |
I'm still far more worried about WRXs than I am by Minis. I'm almost positive Courtney won't be driving Rich West's anymore either, so who has one that's competitive? It will take at least a year, and unless someone is willing to go against lemming syndrome, I don't see it as a problem.
| Tirewarmer | 12-22-2005 07:42 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]It's in BS... but I agree... it shouldn't be in STX... it should be STU.
Something something 1 year something reclass.
I wish these guys would think stuff through. STS=HS & GS with the slower DS, STX=FS & the other side of DS. STU = AS & BS.
--kC[/QUOTE]
So I guess you don't want to drive my 05' MCS when I install the JCW package and run in STX?
Yes I am seriously thinking about it now that all JCW's are in STX. Dealers are selling the kit for cheap now that the JCW package comes factory installed. And I can always just take it off and go back to GS if the JCW gets reclassed.
Joe
Something something 1 year something reclass.
I wish these guys would think stuff through. STS=HS & GS with the slower DS, STX=FS & the other side of DS. STU = AS & BS.
--kC[/QUOTE]
So I guess you don't want to drive my 05' MCS when I install the JCW package and run in STX?
Yes I am seriously thinking about it now that all JCW's are in STX. Dealers are selling the kit for cheap now that the JCW package comes factory installed. And I can always just take it off and go back to GS if the JCW gets reclassed.
Joe
| KC | 12-22-2005 09:15 PM |
Ooohhh.. twist my arm.
How much are dealers installing it for? Here's the thing.. you only need the trick intake and head stuff from what I've read up on it. The rest of it, exhaust, shocks are all replacable. Can you order only specific parts/ECU and call it a day?
I've already been offered a ride in Fl in another class which I'm considering depending on finances. Where would I run it?
I think the LSD, few extra ponies and easier breathing are just what the car needs.
--kC
How much are dealers installing it for? Here's the thing.. you only need the trick intake and head stuff from what I've read up on it. The rest of it, exhaust, shocks are all replacable. Can you order only specific parts/ECU and call it a day?
I've already been offered a ride in Fl in another class which I'm considering depending on finances. Where would I run it?
I think the LSD, few extra ponies and easier breathing are just what the car needs.
--kC
| CamaroFS34 | 12-23-2005 07:23 AM |
[QUOTE=10th Warrior]i don't understand the confusion of ud/bd in all of this? this is adding a option package, available to a particular model year, to that same model year. its just like all those 99 Sport miatae running around that didn't start life as a sport.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's so much an "update/backdate" confusion, as it is allowing a car that shouldn't be legal for stock class (due to the dealer-added nature of the option). Yeah, it's "adding an option package," but it's [i]not[/i] like the example you quoted, because Mazda dealers didn't add the Sport package to the Miata, the manufacturer did.
I have no bone to pick in the argument, just pointing out that your example is a little flawed, 'cause I like to pick on Jeff. ;)
Karen
I don't think it's so much an "update/backdate" confusion, as it is allowing a car that shouldn't be legal for stock class (due to the dealer-added nature of the option). Yeah, it's "adding an option package," but it's [i]not[/i] like the example you quoted, because Mazda dealers didn't add the Sport package to the Miata, the manufacturer did.
I have no bone to pick in the argument, just pointing out that your example is a little flawed, 'cause I like to pick on Jeff. ;)
Karen
| CamaroFS34 | 12-23-2005 07:24 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]I've already been offered a ride in Fl in another class which I'm considering depending on finances... [/QUOTE]
I think you need to take Joe up on the offer and stay away from the above "offer".....
Karen
[i]no ulterior motives here... ;) [/i]
I think you need to take Joe up on the offer and stay away from the above "offer".....
Karen
[i]no ulterior motives here... ;) [/i]
| KC | 12-23-2005 07:34 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]I think you need to take Joe up on the offer and stay away from the above "offer".....
Karen
[i]no ulterior motives here... ;) [/i][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
Karen
[i]no ulterior motives here... ;) [/i][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
| jcroy66 | 12-23-2005 08:53 AM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Put someone like Mark Chiles in a JCW Mini prepped for STX. He ran down every stock class raw time but BS and SS in the middle of the year at an event in his Mini. GS Mini if I recall properly. [/QUOTE]That's absolutely fine with me! I want the best drivers, driving the best prepared cars, in the class. It's the best way for me to gauge my own performance, the best way for me to improve as a driver, and the best way for the class (and the competitors) to earn everyone's respect. And hey, it gives me something to shoot for, right? ;) And as it stands now, looks like I'll be returning to open class competition in 2006...
And if Chiles blows away the entire class, then the STAC and the SEB might have to reconsider the JCW's classing. But personally, I think the JCW seems like a good fit for STX.
And if Chiles blows away the entire class, then the STAC and the SEB might have to reconsider the JCW's classing. But personally, I think the JCW seems like a good fit for STX.
| omahasubaru | 12-23-2005 09:10 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]But personally, I think the JCW seems like a good fit for STX.[/QUOTE]
The more I think about it, I have to agree with you. Technically it should be a DS car, not BS and DS cars are already running in STX... so why not?
Honestly I don't think it is going to just show up and start dominating. Then again, I've never driven one to compare.
Time will tell.
The more I think about it, I have to agree with you. Technically it should be a DS car, not BS and DS cars are already running in STX... so why not?
Honestly I don't think it is going to just show up and start dominating. Then again, I've never driven one to compare.
Time will tell.
| neuspeed | 12-23-2005 10:17 AM |
What about the GP mini (no rear seat) ect..
| AUTOwrXER | 12-25-2005 08:55 AM |
Good question. I saw that listed in a car mag for summer release. They were calling it the JCW GP package. Lighter and with more power.
| jcroy66 | 12-25-2005 10:36 AM |
If it doesn't have a rear seat, I would assume that means it's not eligible for STX/STU. However, I would guess it would be eligible for BS in 2007 (assuming it's a 2007 model year and that the SAC/SEB doesn't reclass the JCW).
| neuspeed | 12-25-2005 10:46 AM |
I think the rear seat can either be deleted or installed from the factory.. I guess this will make things insteresting..
| flyboymike | 12-25-2005 03:55 PM |
[QUOTE=WReXer]Looks like the subframe is officially allowed in Street Mod.[/QUOTE]
Okay, not to interrupt this Mini argument (crap, I was thinking J.C. Whitney every time I read JCW- brain no workie today!), but does the subframe allowance in SM mean you could have an ALK in that class?
Okay, not to interrupt this Mini argument (crap, I was thinking J.C. Whitney every time I read JCW- brain no workie today!), but does the subframe allowance in SM mean you could have an ALK in that class?
| Mhyrr | 12-25-2005 07:00 PM |
Negative, see comment from Erik.. [url]http://sccaforums.com/forums/1/169309/ShowThread.aspx#169309[/url]
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