| tacomaprime | 10-27-2005 12:37 PM |
Hella Supertones install help.
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Ok, so I have seen a bunch of threads on here and i-club about the wiring for the hella supertones. But I need a definitive answer.
I am going to completely replace the stock horns and only use the hella's. So do I need to use the relay supplied with the Hella's? Or can I just take the wire that goes to the stock horns, and put it on the hellas, then ground the hellas?
My thinkin is if I can just use the stock wiring, I would place an inline fuse on the power wires, and then just ground the hellas.
Someone please help me. I dont want to Fluck up my wrx while doing this. Thanks.
I am going to completely replace the stock horns and only use the hella's. So do I need to use the relay supplied with the Hella's? Or can I just take the wire that goes to the stock horns, and put it on the hellas, then ground the hellas?
My thinkin is if I can just use the stock wiring, I would place an inline fuse on the power wires, and then just ground the hellas.
Someone please help me. I dont want to Fluck up my wrx while doing this. Thanks.
| rush05WRX | 10-27-2005 12:45 PM |
I ran the stock horns wire to the relay. Then ran a power wire to the battery with a inline fuse. Both the horns and relay where grounded to the body. Just get a flat male plug, and use that to plug into the factory horn wire. You don't have to cut any wires. This gives you the best results.
| justboosted02 | 10-27-2005 01:00 PM |
pm scoobyless, we just did this to his sti and im sure he would be happy to help
| thsiao | 10-27-2005 01:20 PM |
I just installed my Supertones recently...
You can have your OEM horns AND the Supertones connected at the same time by using the relay. Many people have installed it without the relay with apparently no problems, although other people claim the horns are louder with the relay.
You can have your OEM horns AND the Supertones connected at the same time by using the relay. Many people have installed it without the relay with apparently no problems, although other people claim the horns are louder with the relay.
| Lachlan | 10-27-2005 01:40 PM |
I just plugged the relay into the wires where the stock horn used to be.
| pityr | 10-27-2005 01:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Lachlan]I just plugged the relay into the wires where the stock horn used to be.[/QUOTE]
Same here...
Same here...
| lowblow | 10-27-2005 02:07 PM |
[QUOTE=pityr]Same here...[/QUOTE]
+1...then just ground it.
[IMG]http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-44-1129756475.jpg[/IMG]
+1...then just ground it.
[IMG]http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-44-1129756475.jpg[/IMG]
| rush05WRX | 10-27-2005 02:48 PM |
[IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/rush05WRX/5743185-R1-009-3.jpg[/IMG]
| tacomaprime | 10-27-2005 04:46 PM |
so would the instructions found here be good?
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=303095&highlight=supertones[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=303095&highlight=supertones[/url]
| tacomaprime | 10-27-2005 04:49 PM |
when you guys say you ran the stock horns wire to the relay, can you elaborate on that? Can you tell me which wires go where on the relay?
Sorry about the questions, but I am seriously electrically retarded. I dont want to fark something up.
Sorry about the questions, but I am seriously electrically retarded. I dont want to fark something up.
| wagman01 | 10-27-2005 04:59 PM |
There should have been a diagram included with your supertone kit.
EDIT: The link you provided has a nice MSPAINT drawn diagram. It shows you exactly where it goes.
EDIT: The link you provided has a nice MSPAINT drawn diagram. It shows you exactly where it goes.
| murrdogg24 | 10-27-2005 05:00 PM |
I tried to run the stock horn wires through the relay but it didn't work for me so I gave up and just ran the wires straight to the Hella's w/o the relay. Works good enough for me!
| tacomaprime | 10-27-2005 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=wagman01]There should have been a diagram included with your supertone kit.[/QUOTE]
There is, but there are two diagrams for just using the hella horns. One for if the horns are "positively switched", and one for horns that are "negatively switched"
Which one of those should I follow?
There is, but there are two diagrams for just using the hella horns. One for if the horns are "positively switched", and one for horns that are "negatively switched"
Which one of those should I follow?
| TurboRoo | 10-27-2005 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE=wagman01]There should have been a diagram included with your supertone kit.[/QUOTE]Yes they should have one in the box. If you still have questions look at the OT thread about them. It will answer your questions. It's a simple install.
| tacomaprime | 10-27-2005 05:06 PM |
[QUOTE=wagman01]There should have been a diagram included with your supertone kit.
EDIT: The link you provided has a nice MSPAINT drawn diagram. It shows you exactly where it goes.[/QUOTE]
On that mspaint drawing, the in line fuse and wire going from number 30 on the relay, does that go to the positive part of the battery?
EDIT: The link you provided has a nice MSPAINT drawn diagram. It shows you exactly where it goes.[/QUOTE]
On that mspaint drawing, the in line fuse and wire going from number 30 on the relay, does that go to the positive part of the battery?
| TurboRoo | 10-27-2005 05:07 PM |
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]There is, but there are two diagrams for just using the hella horns. One for if the horns are "positively switched", and one for horns that are "negatively switched"
Which one of those should I follow?[/QUOTE]When I did mine I followed the positively switched one. I haven't had any problems so far. :devil:
Which one of those should I follow?[/QUOTE]When I did mine I followed the positively switched one. I haven't had any problems so far. :devil:
| wagman01 | 10-27-2005 05:10 PM |
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]On that mspaint drawing, the in line fuse and wire going from number 30 on the relay, does that go to the positive part of the battery?[/QUOTE]
Yes. Pin 30 is +12vdc from battery.
EDIT: A quick google search, and i found this diagram. Just ignore the air horn compressor part, and this is the circuit you need. Where it says "stock horn" , thats where your supertones will go.
86 can be a chassis ground, since all it does is ground the relay. 85 will be the +12vdc that currently goes into your stock horn. I think this is black with a blue stripe? 87 will go from your relay to one of the terminals on the supertones, and the other terminal will go to ground. You can either do a chassis ground, or run a wire to the negative terminal of the battery if you're a perfectionist.
[img]http://www3.telus.net/desktopsolutions/images/horn_relay_wiring_diagram.gif[/img]
Yes. Pin 30 is +12vdc from battery.
EDIT: A quick google search, and i found this diagram. Just ignore the air horn compressor part, and this is the circuit you need. Where it says "stock horn" , thats where your supertones will go.
86 can be a chassis ground, since all it does is ground the relay. 85 will be the +12vdc that currently goes into your stock horn. I think this is black with a blue stripe? 87 will go from your relay to one of the terminals on the supertones, and the other terminal will go to ground. You can either do a chassis ground, or run a wire to the negative terminal of the battery if you're a perfectionist.
[img]http://www3.telus.net/desktopsolutions/images/horn_relay_wiring_diagram.gif[/img]
| ofay | 10-27-2005 06:19 PM |
I hooked mine up last night. Used the stock wiring and then grounded them.
| Gfunk720 | 10-27-2005 10:42 PM |
[QUOTE=ofay]I hooked mine up last night. Used the stock wiring and then grounded them.[/QUOTE]
Ditto, mine are hooked up the same way with no issues...
Some claim the relay makes them louder, but I couldnt imagine much louder than this
Ditto, mine are hooked up the same way with no issues...
Some claim the relay makes them louder, but I couldnt imagine much louder than this
| antny | 10-27-2005 11:34 PM |
[QUOTE=murrdogg24]I just ran the wires straight to the Hella's w/o the relay. Works good enough for me![/QUOTE]
I did the same i never heard the horns with the relay si I couldnt tell you if they are louder or not with the relay
I did the same i never heard the horns with the relay si I couldnt tell you if they are louder or not with the relay
| ofay | 10-28-2005 12:48 AM |
[QUOTE=Gfunk720]Ditto, mine are hooked up the same way with no issues...
Some claim the relay makes them louder, but I couldnt imagine much louder than this[/QUOTE]
yeah since you can hear them inside my car with the windows up and the radio on while crusing over my nur spec. i feel sorry for other ppl when i honk, then i feel :devil:
Some claim the relay makes them louder, but I couldnt imagine much louder than this[/QUOTE]
yeah since you can hear them inside my car with the windows up and the radio on while crusing over my nur spec. i feel sorry for other ppl when i honk, then i feel :devil:
| tacomaprime | 10-28-2005 05:12 PM |
Ok, last question, I promise.
On pin 86 of the relay, can I just plug in the wire from 1 horn, or do I have to make a Y so that the wires from both horns connect to that pin?
Thanks.
On pin 86 of the relay, can I just plug in the wire from 1 horn, or do I have to make a Y so that the wires from both horns connect to that pin?
Thanks.
| mcowger | 10-28-2005 05:19 PM |
Make a Y.
| skimobile | 10-29-2005 08:30 AM |
...the negatively switched diagram
| skimobile | 10-29-2005 08:32 AM |
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]There is, but there are two diagrams for just using the hella horns. One for if the horns are "positively switched", and one for horns that are "negatively switched"
Which one of those should I follow?[/QUOTE]
sorry. use the negatively switched diagram. The Hella instructions suck by the way:furious:
Which one of those should I follow?[/QUOTE]
sorry. use the negatively switched diagram. The Hella instructions suck by the way:furious:
| tacomaprime | 10-30-2005 02:04 AM |
Well, I hooked these up today and all I can say is HOLY CRAP. When I first hooked them up, I hadnt mounted them yet. My friend was holding them, and I tapped the horn button, it scared the crap out of him, and it vvibrated so much, that he dropped one. LOL. Anyway. I used this diagram, and it worked out perfectly.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/sjyankee006/hellas/hellawiring.jpg[/img]
I haven't taken any pics yet, cause I was going to take pics when my STI scoop is finally painted and installed. But yeah, I love them. I havent had to use them on anyone yet though. That will be when the real fun begins.
[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/sjyankee006/hellas/hellawiring.jpg[/img]
I haven't taken any pics yet, cause I was going to take pics when my STI scoop is finally painted and installed. But yeah, I love them. I havent had to use them on anyone yet though. That will be when the real fun begins.
| rally_on | 10-30-2005 02:29 AM |
these things look sweet. has anyone heard of a sound clip of the OEM and hella super tone i think thats be a good idea for someone who hasnt installed theres yet...
| tacomaprime | 11-03-2005 08:23 AM |
ok, heres some pic of my hellas, my tint, and my sti scoop
[img]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTExNzM1OTZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTExNzM2MDZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTExNzM2MjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTExNzM1OTZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTExNzM2MDZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTExNzM2MjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg[/img]
| ptirmal | 11-03-2005 02:47 PM |
:D Fedex said they just delivered mine :D
cant wait to install them tomorrow after work (work tonight) and then go looking for people to cut me off :devil:
cant wait to install them tomorrow after work (work tonight) and then go looking for people to cut me off :devil:
| bluestone | 11-09-2005 03:51 PM |
[QUOTE=mcowger]Make a Y.[/QUOTE]
why do you need to make a Y, don't both wires get the same signal?
can someone tell me what the + and - terminals on the supertone unit itself are?
anyone know what that little box mounted on the same center pillar as the stock horn labeled 'buzzer' or something is?
why do you need to make a Y, don't both wires get the same signal?
can someone tell me what the + and - terminals on the supertone unit itself are?
anyone know what that little box mounted on the same center pillar as the stock horn labeled 'buzzer' or something is?
| iwanbo | 11-09-2005 04:37 PM |
Subscribing because I will be doing this soon.
| tacomaprime | 11-09-2005 05:13 PM |
[QUOTE=bluestone]why do you need to make a Y, don't both wires get the same signal??[/QUOTE] Because you have to connect each horn to the same point on the relay, much easier to make the Y, trust me.
[QUOTE=bluestone]can someone tell me what the + and - terminals on the supertone unit itself are??[/QUOTE] The place that sold me mine told me the terminals are neither. Just make sure you use the same terminals for positive and negative on both horns.
[QUOTE=bluestone]anyone know what that little box mounted on the same center pillar as the stock horn labeled 'buzzer' or something is?[/QUOTE]
Isn't that the thing that makes the noise on the factory keyless entry when you lock and unlock the doors?
[QUOTE=bluestone]can someone tell me what the + and - terminals on the supertone unit itself are??[/QUOTE] The place that sold me mine told me the terminals are neither. Just make sure you use the same terminals for positive and negative on both horns.
[QUOTE=bluestone]anyone know what that little box mounted on the same center pillar as the stock horn labeled 'buzzer' or something is?[/QUOTE]
Isn't that the thing that makes the noise on the factory keyless entry when you lock and unlock the doors?
| C43 | 11-09-2005 05:59 PM |
Looks sweet.
| bluestone | 11-09-2005 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]Because you have to connect each horn to the same point on the relay, much easier to make the Y, trust me.[/QUOTE]
for pin 86, that's the source right? i mean... the source horn(s) both go on at the same time, so isn't it redundant to connect both of them to the relay?
does anyone know where the stock horn wiring 'starts' inside the engine bay... it might be easier to tap that if there is a single section before it splits to go to the two stock horns
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]
The place that sold me mine told me the terminals are neither. Just make sure you use the same terminals for positive and negative on both horns[/QUOTE]
ah ok cool :) hopefully i'll finish this install tomorrow.
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]
Isn't that the thing that makes the noise on the factory keyless entry when you lock and unlock the doors?[/QUOTE]
hm maybe? i'll go outside and check now :D
for pin 86, that's the source right? i mean... the source horn(s) both go on at the same time, so isn't it redundant to connect both of them to the relay?
does anyone know where the stock horn wiring 'starts' inside the engine bay... it might be easier to tap that if there is a single section before it splits to go to the two stock horns
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]
The place that sold me mine told me the terminals are neither. Just make sure you use the same terminals for positive and negative on both horns[/QUOTE]
ah ok cool :) hopefully i'll finish this install tomorrow.
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]
Isn't that the thing that makes the noise on the factory keyless entry when you lock and unlock the doors?[/QUOTE]
hm maybe? i'll go outside and check now :D
| tacomaprime | 11-09-2005 08:32 PM |
Just put a male spade connector on the end of the wire, much easier, and cleaner then tapping into a wire your not sure of where it goes.
| REX8 | 11-09-2005 08:36 PM |
Doing mine tomorrow. So how loud are these things really?
| tacomaprime | 11-09-2005 08:37 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]Doing mine tomorrow. So how loud are these things really?[/QUOTE]
Seriously, they are pretty damn loud. The nice thing is though, that they are directional, so if your in a probably 60 degree swath in front of your car, they will make your ears ring. Inside the car or behind it, they wont make you deaf though.
Seriously, they are pretty damn loud. The nice thing is though, that they are directional, so if your in a probably 60 degree swath in front of your car, they will make your ears ring. Inside the car or behind it, they wont make you deaf though.
| bluestone | 11-09-2005 09:14 PM |
[QUOTE=ADIDAS]Just put a male spade connector on the end of the wire, much easier, and cleaner then tapping into a wire your not sure of where it goes.[/QUOTE]
ok, yea that's what i did, i ran one wire with a male connector to one of the stock horn harnesses. just curious why it was advised to Y both of them... guess i'll check tomorrow if this works... weeee
ok, yea that's what i did, i ran one wire with a male connector to one of the stock horn harnesses. just curious why it was advised to Y both of them... guess i'll check tomorrow if this works... weeee
| tacomaprime | 11-09-2005 09:33 PM |
[QUOTE=bluestone]ok, yea that's what i did, i ran one wire with a male connector to one of the stock horn harnesses. just curious why it was advised to Y both of them... guess i'll check tomorrow if this works... weeee[/QUOTE]
I did it just to be safe. I wanted them to be as loud as possible. Probably could have gotten away with just 1, but everyone I read said to do 2
I did it just to be safe. I wanted them to be as loud as possible. Probably could have gotten away with just 1, but everyone I read said to do 2
| EDM | 11-09-2005 09:34 PM |
Which supertones are most of you using. There is p/n 85115 is 118 db and p/n 85315 is 113 db. And another thing how do these sound. I am looking for something that sounds like a european style horn.
| rally_on | 11-09-2005 09:37 PM |
118 db is nicer sounding i've been told. 113 db is an annoying sound. this is just what i've been told by people on nasioc.
| REX8 | 11-10-2005 12:14 PM |
[QUOTE=bluestone]why do you need to make a Y, don't both wires get the same signal?
can someone tell me what the + and - terminals on the supertone unit itself are?
anyone know what that little box mounted on the same center pillar as the stock horn labeled 'buzzer' or something is?[/QUOTE]
There should be no reason to make a Y on the stock signal input. Its just a signal. One original horn wire to the relay, you can leave the other one alone. Its only signal, why do you guys feel you need to bring the two old inputs together???
can someone tell me what the + and - terminals on the supertone unit itself are?
anyone know what that little box mounted on the same center pillar as the stock horn labeled 'buzzer' or something is?[/QUOTE]
There should be no reason to make a Y on the stock signal input. Its just a signal. One original horn wire to the relay, you can leave the other one alone. Its only signal, why do you guys feel you need to bring the two old inputs together???
| tacomaprime | 11-10-2005 12:39 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8]There should be no reason to make a Y on the stock signal input. Its just a signal. One original horn wire to the relay, you can leave the other one alone. Its only signal, why do you guys feel you need to bring the two old inputs together???[/QUOTE]
I didnt feel I needed to, I just did in case one gets cut or something. I work on servers for a living, so for me fault tolerance is a way of life.
I didnt feel I needed to, I just did in case one gets cut or something. I work on servers for a living, so for me fault tolerance is a way of life.
| Siper2 | 11-10-2005 12:57 PM |
I'm not using the relay... and mine are still really loud.
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| slowwdsm | 07-19-2008 03:22 PM |
I'm a little confused pin 86 goes to the + or - on the stock horn harness? I'm installing some right now. I'm pretty sure it's + , but just want to make sure.
| JavaBot | 07-28-2008 06:56 PM |
Got me some suuuuuperrrrrtooones from safedrives.com!!! Can't wait to install after reading all of this!!
| pauli18c | 07-28-2008 07:05 PM |
YOU DONT NEED THE RELAY
newer cars are 12v systems to begin with. the relay is for older cars . the relay is useless on our cars. a relay is a switch, not an amplifier....
1 - plug the stock wires onto one side
2 - ground the other side to your mounting location.
3 - turn key on, HIT THE HORN BUTTON
youre making the simplest wiring possible into an all day event, these take 20 mins to install
newer cars are 12v systems to begin with. the relay is for older cars . the relay is useless on our cars. a relay is a switch, not an amplifier....
1 - plug the stock wires onto one side
2 - ground the other side to your mounting location.
3 - turn key on, HIT THE HORN BUTTON
youre making the simplest wiring possible into an all day event, these take 20 mins to install
| VMRSport | 07-28-2008 07:30 PM |
I've seen a lot of Subarus with these. How come it's such a popular mod? Sorry for the question, I am not a big Subaru person, and little things like this always slides right past me.
| pauli18c | 07-28-2008 07:33 PM |
[quote=VMRSport;23140337]I've seen a lot of Subarus with these. How come it's such a popular mod? Sorry for the question, I am not a big Subaru person, and little things like this always slides right past me.[/quote]
looks mostly. some people like the added security of having a loud horn for emergency
looks mostly. some people like the added security of having a loud horn for emergency
| slowwdsm | 07-30-2008 04:43 AM |
Oh well I used the relay and a fuse works like a charm loud horns indeed
| 105wrx | 07-30-2008 01:24 PM |
Installed mine yesterday and didnt use the relay and they work like a charm...might considering painting them a different color....
| SubiFTW | 05-14-2009 12:03 AM |
Bump.
Just grabbed some Hella's.
Has anyone mounted Hella's on an 06 grill? How did you do it?
Just grabbed some Hella's.
Has anyone mounted Hella's on an 06 grill? How did you do it?
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