| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 04:30 PM |
How to set up local autocross?
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What is the best way to set up a local autocross? We have a SCCA club but the meets hare held a hour and 30 minutes away. It seems ignorant to drive that far to use a parking lot. I guess what I'm asking is how can approach a company to use THEIR parking lot? I'm sure there is a plethora of liability paper work that must be filed. Where do you start? Any help will be great.
Thanks
Matt
Thanks
Matt
| sachilles | 11-06-2006 04:50 PM |
First, you need insurance.
No one will allow you in there lot without it.
Without being affiliated with a club, you will have a tough time getting insurance.
Your best best is to contact your region, and ask for an event in you area. You do the leg work to find the lot, and they will likely hold an event there.
I belong to a club seperate from the scca. I doubt we'd be able to secure insurance for the events we do, if we didn't have a past history of safely operating events.
Post 9/11 insurance is a bit crazy.
Getting a lot, is much harder that many people think.
No one will allow you in there lot without it.
Without being affiliated with a club, you will have a tough time getting insurance.
Your best best is to contact your region, and ask for an event in you area. You do the leg work to find the lot, and they will likely hold an event there.
I belong to a club seperate from the scca. I doubt we'd be able to secure insurance for the events we do, if we didn't have a past history of safely operating events.
Post 9/11 insurance is a bit crazy.
Getting a lot, is much harder that many people think.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 04:56 PM |
I know the local group. I guess I will contact them and see if I find a closer location to host the event, if they would be willing to do the insurance side of it.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
| Protege Menace | 11-06-2006 05:14 PM |
you're too lazy to drive an hour and a half hour, but you want to go through a LOT of work to set up your own :huh:
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-06-2006 05:25 PM |
It's because Austin has rules regarding green space versus concrete space. Every parking lot has to have something like 30% green space (have no idea what the law is though) within it's confines. This makes it difficult to find a place that has enough contiguous room to hold an autocross. This is why Spokes (the Austin autocross group) had to move autocrosses way the hell outta town.
| KC | 11-06-2006 05:29 PM |
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx;15888495]What is the best way to set up a local autocross? We have a SCCA club but the meets hare held an hour and 30 minutes away. It seems ignorant to drive that far to use a parking lot. I guess what I'm asking is how can approach a company to use there parking lot? I'm sure there is a plethora of liability paper work that must be filed. Where do you start? Any help will be great.
Thanks
Matt[/QUOTE]
If you're going to write a proposal, start by learning the difference between their, they're and there, and when to use "A" and "AN" preceding abbreviations. Rudimentary grammar FTW!
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC
Thanks
Matt[/QUOTE]
If you're going to write a proposal, start by learning the difference between their, they're and there, and when to use "A" and "AN" preceding abbreviations. Rudimentary grammar FTW!
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC
| flyboymike | 11-06-2006 05:59 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;15889371]If you're going to write a proposal, start by learning the difference between their, they're and there, and when to use "A" and "AN" preceding abbreviations. Rudimentary grammar FTW!
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC[/QUOTE]
I've been doing 2 hour 40 minute runs regularly down here in America's vas deferens... even gone six hours and spent the night a few times.
G-d, I need an intervention. :lol:
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC[/QUOTE]
I've been doing 2 hour 40 minute runs regularly down here in America's vas deferens... even gone six hours and spent the night a few times.
G-d, I need an intervention. :lol:
| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 09:08 PM |
[quote=Protege Menace;15889150]you're too lazy to drive a half hour, but you want to go through a LOT of work to set up your own :huh:[/quote]
Read!!! It says an hour and a half!
Read!!! It says an hour and a half!
| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 09:10 PM |
[quote=TyrannoSullyRex;15889310]It's because Austin has rules regarding green space versus concrete space. Every parking lot has to have something like 30% green space (have no idea what the law is though) within it's confines. This makes it difficult to find a place that has enough contiguous room to hold an autocross. This is why Spokes (the Austin autocross group) had to move autocrosses way the hell outta town.[/quote]
Oh I see. Thanks.
Oh I see. Thanks.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 09:17 PM |
[quote=KC;15889371]If you're going to write a proposal, start by learning the difference between their, they're and there, and when to use "A" and "AN" preceding abbreviations. Rudimentary grammar FTW!
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC[/quote]
Thanks for the gammer lesson. Posting on NASIOC is not like writing a proposal. Your reply was really helpful to the question I asked! Oh and I think The "K" in KC should be a capital letter! Come on, rudimentary grammar FTW!
Matt
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC[/quote]
Thanks for the gammer lesson. Posting on NASIOC is not like writing a proposal. Your reply was really helpful to the question I asked! Oh and I think The "K" in KC should be a capital letter! Come on, rudimentary grammar FTW!
Matt
| PhilC | 11-06-2006 09:49 PM |
Take some friendly advice from those who actually have written proposals for lot use or been a big part in that process, and KC is almost certainly amongst those who have: Professionalism and grammar always count. I've seen proposals that brought $5 Million in insurance and a significant lot rental fee to the table and seen them fail despite having used proper grammar and a full out legal writ of liability for the owner. If you can't present yourself professionally when asking for advice on how to make a proposal then you have no business f'ing it up for those who can present themselves professionally.
Lots that can be used for autocross are few and far between because every municipality in the country has laws on the books about "green space" in parking lots and has for the past 15+ years which means most lots that are likely to be big enough and in good enough shape are not going to be suitable for autocross because of the tree islands. Of those few that qualify and are available on Sundays better than 95% will turn you down flat without bothering to even hear your presentation. If you don't bring the weight of an established SCCA region or long term insured local club to the table not only do you not stand a chance of getting that lot but you'll probably prevent a chance by those who do have the backing in the future.
<-- often drives 2+ hours each way for local events and doesn't consider that unusual.
Lots that can be used for autocross are few and far between because every municipality in the country has laws on the books about "green space" in parking lots and has for the past 15+ years which means most lots that are likely to be big enough and in good enough shape are not going to be suitable for autocross because of the tree islands. Of those few that qualify and are available on Sundays better than 95% will turn you down flat without bothering to even hear your presentation. If you don't bring the weight of an established SCCA region or long term insured local club to the table not only do you not stand a chance of getting that lot but you'll probably prevent a chance by those who do have the backing in the future.
<-- often drives 2+ hours each way for local events and doesn't consider that unusual.
| Protege Menace | 11-06-2006 10:19 PM |
[quote=dyslexicwrx;15892296]Read!!! It says an hour and a half![/quote]
Speedreading ownted me.
Speedreading ownted me.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 10:19 PM |
[quote=PhilC;15892816]Take some friendly advice from those who actually have written proposals [COLOR=red]for lot use[/COLOR] or been a big part in that process, and KC is almost certainly amongst those who have: [COLOR=red]Professionalism and grammar always count[/COLOR]. I've been part of proposals that brought $5 [COLOR=red]M[/COLOR]illion in insurance and a significant lot rental fee to the table and seen them fail despite having used proper grammar and a full out legal [COLOR=red]writ[/COLOR] of liability for the owner. If you can't present yourself professionally when asking for advice on how to make a proposal then you have no business f'ing it up for those who can present themselves professionally.
[COLOR=red]Lots that can be used for autocross are few and far between because every municipality in the country has laws on the books about "green space" in parking lots and has for the past 15+ years which means most lots that are likely to be big enough and in good enough shape are not going to be suitable for autocross because of the tree islands.[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]Run on[/COLOR] Of those few that qualify and are available on Sundays better than 95% will turn you down flat without bothering to even hear your presentation. If you don't bring the weight of an established SCCA region or long term insured local club to the table[COLOR=red],[/COLOR]not only do you not stand a chance of getting that lot but you'll probably prevent a chance by those who do have the backing in the future.[/quote]
Dude I made a typo and he goes off on a grammar lesson. You have typo's in your entire post and you are preaching to me? kC provided nothing to this thread. How was my post not professional? You can't question my ability to be a professional. I am posting a question on a forum. This is hardly a proposal. I have written city ordinances, transportation plan's & I did the City Master Plan. I know how to be professional. I deal with million dollar developers everyday! This has nothing to do with my question.
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[COLOR=red]Lots that can be used for autocross are few and far between because every municipality in the country has laws on the books about "green space" in parking lots and has for the past 15+ years which means most lots that are likely to be big enough and in good enough shape are not going to be suitable for autocross because of the tree islands.[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]Run on[/COLOR] Of those few that qualify and are available on Sundays better than 95% will turn you down flat without bothering to even hear your presentation. If you don't bring the weight of an established SCCA region or long term insured local club to the table[COLOR=red],[/COLOR]not only do you not stand a chance of getting that lot but you'll probably prevent a chance by those who do have the backing in the future.[/quote]
Dude I made a typo and he goes off on a grammar lesson. You have typo's in your entire post and you are preaching to me? kC provided nothing to this thread. How was my post not professional? You can't question my ability to be a professional. I am posting a question on a forum. This is hardly a proposal. I have written city ordinances, transportation plan's & I did the City Master Plan. I know how to be professional. I deal with million dollar developers everyday! This has nothing to do with my question.
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| dyslexicwrx | 11-06-2006 10:21 PM |
[quote=Protege Menace;15893209]Speedreading ownted me.[/quote]
You better not post that! This is some sort of english test! I was thinking it was the Motorsports section, I guess not!!!:lol:
You better not post that! This is some sort of english test! I was thinking it was the Motorsports section, I guess not!!!:lol:
| Loudgolf57 | 11-06-2006 10:48 PM |
Let me start off by saying, I have run an autocross club for the last 2 years. We are registered with the state as a not for profit org. We have yearly insurance with K and K Insurance. ( [url]www.kandkinsurance.com[/url] ) Which you need to get event insurance. It costs about $900 a year, and about $350 per event. Sites we have used for autocross include, a minor league baseball team lot, a community college, and a horse racing parking lot. I have never created a proposal, I just make phone calls. Lot rental has been between $600, and $900 per venue.
| afpdl | 11-06-2006 11:16 PM |
BTW, Im pretty sure the club you are talking about is SPOKES or SASCA who are not affiliated with the SCCA.
| cooleyjb | 11-06-2006 11:29 PM |
Lets remember this is the Motorsports forum and not OT.
Their is a lot of pointless bitching going on here in an topic where teh OP has asked a simple question.
Oh noes there be grammar issues but everyone should get the point.
Their is a lot of pointless bitching going on here in an topic where teh OP has asked a simple question.
Oh noes there be grammar issues but everyone should get the point.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 12:06 AM |
[quote=afpdl;15893924]BTW, Im pretty sure the club you are talking about is SPOKES or SASCA who are not affiliated with the SCCA.[/quote]
Right I would like to see if we can find a closer place to hold the SPOKES events. I am not trying to start my own club.
It use to be held in San Marcos a long time ago. I think the University put an end to that.
Right I would like to see if we can find a closer place to hold the SPOKES events. I am not trying to start my own club.
It use to be held in San Marcos a long time ago. I think the University put an end to that.
| afpdl | 11-07-2006 12:09 AM |
More recently they used tech ridge, which sucked. If you can find a place in Austin that is willing I guarantee they will get behind you and do everything they can to secure the site. There just are not many options in Austin, the only lots that are not full of trees are tiny.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 12:09 AM |
[quote=Loudgolf57;15893576]Let me start off by saying, I have run an autocross club for the last 2 years. We are registered with the state as a not for profit org. We have yearly insurance with K and K Insurance. ( [URL="http://www.kandkinsurance.com/"]www.kandkinsurance.com[/URL] ) Which you need to get event insurance. It costs about $900 a year, and about $350 per event. Sites we have used for autocross include, a minor league baseball team lot, a community college, and a horse racing parking lot. I have never created a proposal, I just make phone calls. Lot rental has been between $600, and $900 per venue.[/quote]
That is very cool you started a club and run it as a nonprofit.Thanks for the info.
That is very cool you started a club and run it as a nonprofit.Thanks for the info.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 12:11 AM |
[quote=afpdl;15894488]More recently they used tech ridge, which sucked. If you can find a place in Austin that is willing I guarantee they will get behind you and do everything they can to secure the site. There just are not many options in Austin, the only lots that are not full of trees are tiny.[/quote]
I was thinking Dell Diamond or somewhere in Round Rock or Buda. You know?
I was thinking Dell Diamond or somewhere in Round Rock or Buda. You know?
| afpdl | 11-07-2006 12:15 AM |
I haven't been to austin since spokes lost tech ridge, I could not tell you where to start.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 12:24 AM |
That's cool. Thanks for posting to the question and not grammar.
| leecea | 11-07-2006 07:50 AM |
Check with the club before you approach any lot owner - you never know if they are already working on it.
Like others have said, I can't imagine any club turning down a good lot. I know they are like gold around here.
Like others have said, I can't imagine any club turning down a good lot. I know they are like gold around here.
| Calamity Jesus | 11-07-2006 08:26 AM |
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx;15892296]Read!!! It says an hour and a half![/QUOTE]
Despite what PM meant to say, that's still considered normal for at least 50% of the autocrossers that I know (myself included). Show me any competitive sport that involves a lot of people and doesn't require travel time.*
*not that I'm saying autocross is competative.. nooo.:D [color=#e0e0e5]For Insurance Co. Use Only.[/color]
Despite what PM meant to say, that's still considered normal for at least 50% of the autocrossers that I know (myself included). Show me any competitive sport that involves a lot of people and doesn't require travel time.*
*not that I'm saying autocross is competative.. nooo.:D [color=#e0e0e5]For Insurance Co. Use Only.[/color]
| KC | 11-07-2006 08:38 AM |
[QUOTE=Loudgolf57;15893576]Sites we have used for autocross include, a minor league baseball team lot, a community college, and a horse racing parking lot. I have never created a proposal, I just make phone calls. Lot rental has been between $600, and $900 per venue.[/QUOTE]OOohhh to be out in the mid-west!
Our 'lot' is close to $2000 (Ft Devens). Can't even get into Gillette Stadium without ponying up close to $8-$10K (I believe we're working on that).
I agree, talk to your local region. There's no reason to re-invent the wheel. You'd be surprised how accomodating they can be, and most have people on some sort of 'new site committee'.
Have you even been to an auto-x to know enough to propose having one? I checked TXIC... can't find you in any threads having gone to an event. Usually, those threads are pretty well subscribed to. I would suggest attending a few events and check out what goes on the planning and operation side of things, and see if it's for you to tackle, if you haven't.
About me correcting your grammar, it applies. Much of what you type here usually carries forth into the real world. I can understand why one would get defensive about it, but I did it to prove a point, and I think I succeeded. That point was to bring attention to your grammar if you're going to be writing a proposal.
It was not a personal attack against you. Just that people look for these things in proposals and if you can't put forth the effort here, why would you put forth the effort 'out there'? Chill out and relax.
--kC
Our 'lot' is close to $2000 (Ft Devens). Can't even get into Gillette Stadium without ponying up close to $8-$10K (I believe we're working on that).
I agree, talk to your local region. There's no reason to re-invent the wheel. You'd be surprised how accomodating they can be, and most have people on some sort of 'new site committee'.
Have you even been to an auto-x to know enough to propose having one? I checked TXIC... can't find you in any threads having gone to an event. Usually, those threads are pretty well subscribed to. I would suggest attending a few events and check out what goes on the planning and operation side of things, and see if it's for you to tackle, if you haven't.
About me correcting your grammar, it applies. Much of what you type here usually carries forth into the real world. I can understand why one would get defensive about it, but I did it to prove a point, and I think I succeeded. That point was to bring attention to your grammar if you're going to be writing a proposal.
It was not a personal attack against you. Just that people look for these things in proposals and if you can't put forth the effort here, why would you put forth the effort 'out there'? Chill out and relax.
--kC
| KC | 11-07-2006 08:41 AM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy;15896811]Despite what PM meant to say, that's still considered normal for at least 50% of the autocrossers that I know (myself included). Show me any competitive sport that involves a lot of people and doesn't require travel time.*
*not that I'm saying autocross is competative.. nooo.:D [color=#e0e0e5]For Insurance Co. Use Only.[/color][/QUOTE]
My closest event is 1.5 hrs. My farthest 'local' event is 2.5 hrs. Only have two sites, so that's that.
Other events take place at a minimum 2.5 hrs away.
We're working on a site right now that could be only 30 min away for me... but at LEAST 1.5 hrs for 90% of the other competitors. I just happen to live in a corner of the region that doesn't have many locations that could host en event.
--kC
*not that I'm saying autocross is competative.. nooo.:D [color=#e0e0e5]For Insurance Co. Use Only.[/color][/QUOTE]
My closest event is 1.5 hrs. My farthest 'local' event is 2.5 hrs. Only have two sites, so that's that.
Other events take place at a minimum 2.5 hrs away.
We're working on a site right now that could be only 30 min away for me... but at LEAST 1.5 hrs for 90% of the other competitors. I just happen to live in a corner of the region that doesn't have many locations that could host en event.
--kC
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 10:38 AM |
I have attended events and I use to go a lot more often. I was going to work with the local group. I was not going out on my own to start my own autocross club.
I was pissed about the grammar thing because what I wrote was not nearly as bad as most post on here. I made a typo as do 95% of the post on the site. I'm not some punk kid on here to talk crap. I asked a simple question with one typo and you jumped my case about it. It was uncalled for. People that post like you do discourage people from posting.
I was pissed about the grammar thing because what I wrote was not nearly as bad as most post on here. I made a typo as do 95% of the post on the site. I'm not some punk kid on here to talk crap. I asked a simple question with one typo and you jumped my case about it. It was uncalled for. People that post like you do discourage people from posting.
| cooleyjb | 11-07-2006 10:39 AM |
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx;15898186]I have attended events and I use to go a lot more often. I was going to work with the local group. I was not going out on my own to start my own autocross club.
I was pissed about the grammar thing because what I wrote was not nearly as bad as most post on here. I made a typo as do 95% of the post on the site. I'm not some punk kid on here to talk crap. I asked a simple question with one typo and you jumped my case about it. It was uncalled for. People that post like you do discourage people from posting.[/QUOTE]
What's even more fitting is that people are jumping on you about typos adn grammar and your SN is dyslexic...
I was pissed about the grammar thing because what I wrote was not nearly as bad as most post on here. I made a typo as do 95% of the post on the site. I'm not some punk kid on here to talk crap. I asked a simple question with one typo and you jumped my case about it. It was uncalled for. People that post like you do discourage people from posting.[/QUOTE]
What's even more fitting is that people are jumping on you about typos adn grammar and your SN is dyslexic...
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 10:47 AM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15898212]What's even more fitting is that people are jumping on you about typos adn grammar and your SN is dyslexic...[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know!!! Dude they are telling me to chill out?:lol: Grammar is the key to life noob!! I have been on this site for 16 years and I know grammar.
Oh well, I'm the most chill person but I'm going to sit back and let people bully people around over a stupid typo.
Yeah I know!!! Dude they are telling me to chill out?:lol: Grammar is the key to life noob!! I have been on this site for 16 years and I know grammar.
Oh well, I'm the most chill person but I'm going to sit back and let people bully people around over a stupid typo.
| jcroy66 | 11-07-2006 11:03 AM |
We're touchy because so many of us have been intimately involved with the process of obtaining and retaining sites for autocross. We know how easily lot owners are scared off and how one "bad egg" can spoil any shot of ANY club EVER using that lot in the future.
So then the OP comes in and basically says "my region sucks because they don't have autocrosses on my front doorstep, so I'm gonna start my own". Then on top of it, he replies "your advice sucks, grammar and good presentation doesn't matter, this is just informal".
I personally think the OP's hostility was uncalled for. KC, Phil, and the others who posted know how hard it is. They gave sound advice. If the OP didn't want our advice, he shouldn't have asked for it.
So then the OP comes in and basically says "my region sucks because they don't have autocrosses on my front doorstep, so I'm gonna start my own". Then on top of it, he replies "your advice sucks, grammar and good presentation doesn't matter, this is just informal".
I personally think the OP's hostility was uncalled for. KC, Phil, and the others who posted know how hard it is. They gave sound advice. If the OP didn't want our advice, he shouldn't have asked for it.
| KC | 11-07-2006 11:08 AM |
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx;15898186]I have attended events and I use to go a lot more often. I was going to work with the local group. I was not going out on my own to start my own autocross club. [/QUOTE] Bullcrap. Not buying it. [QUOTE=dyslexicwrx]I guess what I'm asking is how can approach a company to use there parking lot? I'm sure there is a plethora of liability paper work that must be filed. Where do you start? Any help will be great.[/QUOTE]If you knew the answer (contact your local region), then why create this thread? If you were going to work with the local group... wouldn't you, you know, had contacted them about it before making this thread, or something along those lines?
[QUOTE]I was pissed about the grammar thing because what I wrote was not nearly as bad as most post on here.[/QUOTE]Most of the posts "on here" are not people asking how to approach a company to use their lots for events as the front-man either. Some people also have no clue what the difference is between they're, their, there. I was just trying to help in that regard. Since you took offense to it, I'll have to lump you in with that group.
[QUOTE]I made a typo as do 95% of the post on the site.[/QUOTE]Something something bridge something jump something you too?[QUOTE] I'm not some punk kid on here to talk crap.[/QUOTE] Never said you were some punk kid, but you're doing a fantastic job with it talking crap none-the-less. [QUOTE]I asked a simple question with one typo and you jumped my case about it. It was uncalled for. [/QUOTE] Really? Just one? I didn't jump anyones case. [B]It was constructive critisism[/B]. If you took it as jumping on your case, then you need to unwad your manties because when you approach someone asking to "use they're lot" in a proposal and get declined, don't come crying to the board.
[QUOTE]People that post like you do discourage people from posting.[/QUOTE]Overly defensive people on simple constructive critisism blame their problems on others instead of theirselves.
--kC
[QUOTE]I was pissed about the grammar thing because what I wrote was not nearly as bad as most post on here.[/QUOTE]Most of the posts "on here" are not people asking how to approach a company to use their lots for events as the front-man either. Some people also have no clue what the difference is between they're, their, there. I was just trying to help in that regard. Since you took offense to it, I'll have to lump you in with that group.
[QUOTE]I made a typo as do 95% of the post on the site.[/QUOTE]Something something bridge something jump something you too?[QUOTE] I'm not some punk kid on here to talk crap.[/QUOTE] Never said you were some punk kid, but you're doing a fantastic job with it talking crap none-the-less. [QUOTE]I asked a simple question with one typo and you jumped my case about it. It was uncalled for. [/QUOTE] Really? Just one? I didn't jump anyones case. [B]It was constructive critisism[/B]. If you took it as jumping on your case, then you need to unwad your manties because when you approach someone asking to "use they're lot" in a proposal and get declined, don't come crying to the board.
[QUOTE]People that post like you do discourage people from posting.[/QUOTE]Overly defensive people on simple constructive critisism blame their problems on others instead of theirselves.
--kC
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 11:20 AM |
kC you are a joke. I could careless what you think. I did not post kC will you help me. If you have no information to offer, don't reply. I already spoke to the person I needed to. I also had my question answered no thanks to you.
| KC | 11-07-2006 11:27 AM |
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx;15898790]kC you are a joke. I could careless what you think. I did not post kC will you help me. If you have no information to offer, don't reply. I already spoke to the person I needed to. I also had my question answered no thanks to you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx]I'm sure there is a plethora of liability paper work that must be filed. Any help will be great.[/QUOTE]
WHeee!!! :banana:
Feel better now that you got that out? When you ask for "ANY HELP" (Your words, not mine) on a forum, be prepared to hear the stuff you didn't expect to hear... Sorry you don't think of it as help. Maybe, you should be a little more clear on exactly you want to read, or not read, as far as advice next time.
--kC
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx]I'm sure there is a plethora of liability paper work that must be filed. Any help will be great.[/QUOTE]
WHeee!!! :banana:
Feel better now that you got that out? When you ask for "ANY HELP" (Your words, not mine) on a forum, be prepared to hear the stuff you didn't expect to hear... Sorry you don't think of it as help. Maybe, you should be a little more clear on exactly you want to read, or not read, as far as advice next time.
--kC
| Davenow | 11-07-2006 12:08 PM |
This is irrelevant anyway. You are not going to run an autocross anywhere in Austin because zoning restrictions do not allow for open paved surfaces ove a certain sq footage, this means all the big lots will have planters and trees and such. Anywhere that WOULD be workable, has already been approached by all the local clubs and turned down. Or the price is too high.
If you pulled your head out of your ass for 2 min you would have done the research yourself and already known that.
dislexic you are a fking retard. KC has forgotten more about autocross than you will ever know. And with your assinine attitude no real organization is going to get behind you and expect nothing but headaches as the only people that are going to show up are the ricer douchefags that live at the meanstreets events cheering for the fat mexican chicks with mustaches and that ruined the parmer/1431 meet.
If you pulled your head out of your ass for 2 min you would have done the research yourself and already known that.
dislexic you are a fking retard. KC has forgotten more about autocross than you will ever know. And with your assinine attitude no real organization is going to get behind you and expect nothing but headaches as the only people that are going to show up are the ricer douchefags that live at the meanstreets events cheering for the fat mexican chicks with mustaches and that ruined the parmer/1431 meet.
| Draken | 11-07-2006 12:21 PM |
Post #5
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex;15889310]It's because Austin has rules regarding green space versus concrete space. Every parking lot has to have something like 30% green space (have no idea what the law is though) within it's confines. This makes it difficult to find a place that has enough contiguous room to hold an autocross. This is why Spokes (the Austin autocross group) had to move autocrosses way the hell outta town.[/QUOTE]
and then post #35
[QUOTE=Davenow;15899527]This is irrelevant anyway. You are not going to run an autocross anywhere in Austin because zoning restrictions do not allow for open paved surfaces ove a certain sq footage, this means all the big lots will have planters and trees and such. Anywhere that WOULD be workable, has already been approached by all the local clubs and turned down. Or the price is too high.
[/QUOTE]
WTLW n00b ;)
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex;15889310]It's because Austin has rules regarding green space versus concrete space. Every parking lot has to have something like 30% green space (have no idea what the law is though) within it's confines. This makes it difficult to find a place that has enough contiguous room to hold an autocross. This is why Spokes (the Austin autocross group) had to move autocrosses way the hell outta town.[/QUOTE]
and then post #35
[QUOTE=Davenow;15899527]This is irrelevant anyway. You are not going to run an autocross anywhere in Austin because zoning restrictions do not allow for open paved surfaces ove a certain sq footage, this means all the big lots will have planters and trees and such. Anywhere that WOULD be workable, has already been approached by all the local clubs and turned down. Or the price is too high.
[/QUOTE]
WTLW n00b ;)
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-07-2006 12:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Davenow;15899527]This is irrelevant anyway. You are not going to run an autocross anywhere in Austin because zoning restrictions do not allow for open paved surfaces ove a certain sq footage, this means all the big lots will have planters and trees and such. Anywhere that WOULD be workable, has already been approached by all the local clubs and turned down. Or the price is too high.
If you pulled your head out of your ass for 2 min you would have done the research yourself and already known that.
dislexic you are a fking retard. KC has forgotten more about autocross than you will ever know. And with your assinine attitude no real organization is going to get behind you and expect nothing but headaches as the only people that are going to show up are the ricer douchefags that live at the meanstreets events cheering for the fat mexican chicks with mustaches and that ruined the parmer/1431 meet.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, even though Dave is a moron.
Believe me when I say this, SPOKES has gone to every parking lot within 100 miles of Austin looking to hold an event. My suggestion is to get involved with the organization of the club if you are serious about your plans.
If you pulled your head out of your ass for 2 min you would have done the research yourself and already known that.
dislexic you are a fking retard. KC has forgotten more about autocross than you will ever know. And with your assinine attitude no real organization is going to get behind you and expect nothing but headaches as the only people that are going to show up are the ricer douchefags that live at the meanstreets events cheering for the fat mexican chicks with mustaches and that ruined the parmer/1431 meet.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, even though Dave is a moron.
Believe me when I say this, SPOKES has gone to every parking lot within 100 miles of Austin looking to hold an event. My suggestion is to get involved with the organization of the club if you are serious about your plans.
| crystalhelix | 11-07-2006 12:23 PM |
IBdyslexicwrxFiguresoutKCknowsathingor2
I love arguing on the internetz
I love arguing on the internetz
| Davenow | 11-07-2006 12:24 PM |
[quote=TyrannoSullyRex;15899718]Agreed, even though Dave is a moron.
.[/quote]
Suck it trebeck.:lol:
.[/quote]
Suck it trebeck.:lol:
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 12:25 PM |
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex;15899718]Agreed, even though Dave is a moron.
Believe me when I say this, SPOKES has gone to every parking lot within 100 miles of Austin looking to hold an event. My suggestion is to get involved with the organization of the club if you are serious about your plans.[/QUOTE]
I already talk to John and let him know what I was referring to. I posted already that I solved this.
I did not have an attitude until that dude went off on my grammar.
Believe me when I say this, SPOKES has gone to every parking lot within 100 miles of Austin looking to hold an event. My suggestion is to get involved with the organization of the club if you are serious about your plans.[/QUOTE]
I already talk to John and let him know what I was referring to. I posted already that I solved this.
I did not have an attitude until that dude went off on my grammar.
| Davenow | 11-07-2006 12:27 PM |
[quote=Draken;15899704]
WTLW n00b ;)[/quote]
Something!!!!:mad: :lol:
WTLW n00b ;)[/quote]
Something!!!!:mad: :lol:
| Tirewarmer | 11-07-2006 12:32 PM |
[quote=dyslexicwrx;15898790]kC you are a joke. I could careless what you think. I did not post kC will you help me. If you have no information to offer, don't reply. I already spoke to the person I needed to. I also had my question answered no thanks to you.[/quote]
kC doesn't care about dyslexic people.
kC doesn't care about dyslexic people.
| Davenow | 11-07-2006 12:33 PM |
[quote=dyslexicwrx;15899775]
I did not have an attitude until that dude went off on my grammar.[/quote]
And you decided that instead of ignoring that, you should become a dick about it?
Yeah that will get you far in the motorsports forum:lol:
I did not have an attitude until that dude went off on my grammar.[/quote]
And you decided that instead of ignoring that, you should become a dick about it?
Yeah that will get you far in the motorsports forum:lol:
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 12:40 PM |
[QUOTE=Davenow;15899904]And you decided that instead of ignoring that, you should become a dick about it?
Yeah that will get you far in the motorsports forum:lol:[/QUOTE]
Yeah I should have become a dick earlier on in the conversation. I can see that gets you far on here.:lol:
Yeah that will get you far in the motorsports forum:lol:[/QUOTE]
Yeah I should have become a dick earlier on in the conversation. I can see that gets you far on here.:lol:
| AustinTX | 11-07-2006 12:52 PM |
We're trying nearly everything we can to get a regular site in Austin, but it's just not a motorsports friendly town. It's not even a sports friendly town unless it involves UT or fricking Lance Armstrong. We drive the same distance for drag racing as we do for autocross, so I think we're doing okay :)
John
Spokes BoD
John
Spokes BoD
| KC | 11-07-2006 01:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Tirewarmer;15899890]kC doesn't care about dyslexic people.[/QUOTE]
Shush you.
--kC
"There are two types of people that I don't like in this world... those that are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and the Dutch."
Shush you.
--kC
"There are two types of people that I don't like in this world... those that are intolerant of other peoples cultures, and the Dutch."
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-07-2006 03:06 PM |
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| Patrick L | 11-07-2006 03:15 PM |
Answer: Become the Solo Chair for your Region. That's the best way to learn how to setup a autocross.
<--was solo chair now RE.
<--was solo chair now RE.
| cooleyjb | 11-07-2006 03:20 PM |
Good Job everyone.
dyslexicwrx came on here and asked a question about setting up an autocross. KC then corrected his grammar? Then it went downhill.
KC could have given advice instead of just being a grammar Nazi. KC you sound like you've been there and done that with site acquistion why didn't you just enlighten him instead of being an english teacher.
Everyone blames the OP for causing the slide downhill. There were multiple people who helped facilitate this. It's pretty obvious who was counter productive to this thread. And then people come to the defense of one of the instigators and blame the other. Are you kidding me.
The OP works in City Planning. Do you think that he might have some unique avenues to work at getting some sites in the area? Do you think he might know something about proposals. This is an message board to bounce ideas off of people. Why do people who know how rare it is in motorsports to find someone who wants to do the grunt work at finding a new site feel the need to bash him down. That is pitiful and counter productive to the furthering of the sport.
dyslexicwrx came on here and asked a question about setting up an autocross. KC then corrected his grammar? Then it went downhill.
KC could have given advice instead of just being a grammar Nazi. KC you sound like you've been there and done that with site acquistion why didn't you just enlighten him instead of being an english teacher.
Everyone blames the OP for causing the slide downhill. There were multiple people who helped facilitate this. It's pretty obvious who was counter productive to this thread. And then people come to the defense of one of the instigators and blame the other. Are you kidding me.
The OP works in City Planning. Do you think that he might have some unique avenues to work at getting some sites in the area? Do you think he might know something about proposals. This is an message board to bounce ideas off of people. Why do people who know how rare it is in motorsports to find someone who wants to do the grunt work at finding a new site feel the need to bash him down. That is pitiful and counter productive to the furthering of the sport.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 03:30 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15902677]Good Job everyone.
dyslexicwrx came on here and asked a question about setting up an autocross. KC then corrected his grammar? Then it went downhill.
KC could have given advice instead of just being a grammar Nazi. KC you sound like you've been there and done that with site acquistion why didn't you just enlighten him instead of being an english teacher.
Everyone blames the OP for causing the slide downhill. There were multiple people who helped facilitate this. It's pretty obvious who was counter productive to this thread. And then people come to the defense of one of the instigators and blame the other. Are you kidding me.
The OP works in City Planning. Do you think that he might have some unique avenues to work at getting some sites in the area? Do you think he might know something about proposals. This is an message board to bounce ideas off of people. Why do people who know how rare it is in motorsports to find someone who wants to do the grunt work at finding a new site feel the need to bash him down. That is pitiful and counter productive to the furthering of the sport.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! You are right on with what I was doing. I have a meeting with the school district later this week. They need help from the City to get water and wastewater to THEIR new school site and I was going to talk to them about the current high school parking lot as a site for autocross. I know they already let motorcycle training courses use the parking lot, so they may have no problem letting us use it.
dyslexicwrx came on here and asked a question about setting up an autocross. KC then corrected his grammar? Then it went downhill.
KC could have given advice instead of just being a grammar Nazi. KC you sound like you've been there and done that with site acquistion why didn't you just enlighten him instead of being an english teacher.
Everyone blames the OP for causing the slide downhill. There were multiple people who helped facilitate this. It's pretty obvious who was counter productive to this thread. And then people come to the defense of one of the instigators and blame the other. Are you kidding me.
The OP works in City Planning. Do you think that he might have some unique avenues to work at getting some sites in the area? Do you think he might know something about proposals. This is an message board to bounce ideas off of people. Why do people who know how rare it is in motorsports to find someone who wants to do the grunt work at finding a new site feel the need to bash him down. That is pitiful and counter productive to the furthering of the sport.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! You are right on with what I was doing. I have a meeting with the school district later this week. They need help from the City to get water and wastewater to THEIR new school site and I was going to talk to them about the current high school parking lot as a site for autocross. I know they already let motorcycle training courses use the parking lot, so they may have no problem letting us use it.
| Draken | 11-07-2006 03:34 PM |
Did someone mention p00p?
Chris H.
- autoxr and wastewater eng.
Chris H.
- autoxr and wastewater eng.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 03:36 PM |
Oh, I also know that we currently do not have an impervious cover requirement in the City that I work for. So islands in the parking lots are not a problem.
I know that because I wrote the ordinance!
I was not coming on here to start trouble or to piss people off.
I know that because I wrote the ordinance!
I was not coming on here to start trouble or to piss people off.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 03:38 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken;15902912]Did someone mention p00p?
Chris H.
- autoxr and wastewater eng.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I did. That is what this thread has ended up being.
Chris H.
- autoxr and wastewater eng.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I did. That is what this thread has ended up being.
| KC | 11-07-2006 03:47 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15902677]Good Job everyone.
dyslexicwrx came on here and asked a question about setting up an autocross. KC then corrected his grammar? Then it went downhill.
KC could have given advice instead of just being a grammar Nazi. KC you sound like you've been there and done that with site acquistion why didn't you just enlighten him instead of being an english teacher.
Everyone blames the OP for causing the slide downhill. There were multiple people who helped facilitate this. It's pretty obvious who was counter productive to this thread. And then people come to the defense of one of the instigators and blame the other. Are you kidding me.
The OP works in City Planning. Do you think that he might have some unique avenues to work at getting some sites in the area? Do you think he might know something about proposals. This is an message board to bounce ideas off of people. Why do people who know how rare it is in motorsports to find someone who wants to do the grunt work at finding a new site feel the need to bash him down. That is pitiful and counter productive to the furthering of the sport.[/QUOTE]JFC. Without taking the time to ask the OP what he does for a living, or finding out anything about him, I offered, again, some constructive criticism. I care not about who he was or what he did. If he was Mario Andretti, but posted under the user name 'imaracr', he would have gotten the same, what I consider helpful, criticism. Why? We don't know know him from a hole in the ground going by a screen name. Be happy I didn't say "Do a search n00b, it's been discussed."
My point: "If you're going to write a proposal, make sure you know the difference between they're, there, their and when to use A or AN before an acronymn."
I think it's great that he's on the city planning. Fantastic. Go get 'em tiger! His ego was bruised and now he's all butt hurt because of someone 2000 miles away making a suggestion that (before we knew what he does, his capabilities, or connections) if you're going to approach someone, at the very least, make a damn good impression by using proper grammar.
How freaking hard is that to understand? A small suggestion, nothing more, nothing less. Instead... he wished to come back at me. People know, I don't back down from a good e-thugging.
Typical city/state/gov't employee... it's never his fault, and seeks to transfer blame onto other people for their own shortcomings. Now be a good boy and go plan some cities. Oh, are you on break now? (If you can't see the humor in this, then you REALLY need a reality check.)
When I'm down in Austin next time.... I'll still curse the wickedly long red lights, but will look you up and have beers. My bark is *much* worse than my bite... but I would still be the same person in real life... not just behind the keyboard.
--kC
dyslexicwrx came on here and asked a question about setting up an autocross. KC then corrected his grammar? Then it went downhill.
KC could have given advice instead of just being a grammar Nazi. KC you sound like you've been there and done that with site acquistion why didn't you just enlighten him instead of being an english teacher.
Everyone blames the OP for causing the slide downhill. There were multiple people who helped facilitate this. It's pretty obvious who was counter productive to this thread. And then people come to the defense of one of the instigators and blame the other. Are you kidding me.
The OP works in City Planning. Do you think that he might have some unique avenues to work at getting some sites in the area? Do you think he might know something about proposals. This is an message board to bounce ideas off of people. Why do people who know how rare it is in motorsports to find someone who wants to do the grunt work at finding a new site feel the need to bash him down. That is pitiful and counter productive to the furthering of the sport.[/QUOTE]JFC. Without taking the time to ask the OP what he does for a living, or finding out anything about him, I offered, again, some constructive criticism. I care not about who he was or what he did. If he was Mario Andretti, but posted under the user name 'imaracr', he would have gotten the same, what I consider helpful, criticism. Why? We don't know know him from a hole in the ground going by a screen name. Be happy I didn't say "Do a search n00b, it's been discussed."
My point: "If you're going to write a proposal, make sure you know the difference between they're, there, their and when to use A or AN before an acronymn."
I think it's great that he's on the city planning. Fantastic. Go get 'em tiger! His ego was bruised and now he's all butt hurt because of someone 2000 miles away making a suggestion that (before we knew what he does, his capabilities, or connections) if you're going to approach someone, at the very least, make a damn good impression by using proper grammar.
How freaking hard is that to understand? A small suggestion, nothing more, nothing less. Instead... he wished to come back at me. People know, I don't back down from a good e-thugging.
Typical city/state/gov't employee... it's never his fault, and seeks to transfer blame onto other people for their own shortcomings. Now be a good boy and go plan some cities. Oh, are you on break now? (If you can't see the humor in this, then you REALLY need a reality check.)
When I'm down in Austin next time.... I'll still curse the wickedly long red lights, but will look you up and have beers. My bark is *much* worse than my bite... but I would still be the same person in real life... not just behind the keyboard.
--kC
| cooleyjb | 11-07-2006 03:57 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;15889371]If you're going to write a proposal, start by learning the difference between their, they're and there, and when to use "A" and "AN" preceding abbreviations. Rudimentary grammar FTW!
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC[/QUOTE]
KC
Please just admit that this did nothing to further the topic at hand. Why are you still grasping at the fact that he had poor grammar and overlooking that you helped instigate the useless part of this thread. You had the knowledge to dispense but you chose to go the route of OT and complain about grammar on a web forum. You might consider grammar being helpful but the way you presented it wasn't. Had it been at the end of a quick sentence like-- "Have you talked with a local event chairman, they would be a good place to start." It would have been MUCH more productive.
An hour and a half, each way, is not a big deal for many.
--kC[/QUOTE]
KC
Please just admit that this did nothing to further the topic at hand. Why are you still grasping at the fact that he had poor grammar and overlooking that you helped instigate the useless part of this thread. You had the knowledge to dispense but you chose to go the route of OT and complain about grammar on a web forum. You might consider grammar being helpful but the way you presented it wasn't. Had it been at the end of a quick sentence like-- "Have you talked with a local event chairman, they would be a good place to start." It would have been MUCH more productive.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 04:01 PM |
I think the entire thing is funny. You going off on me does not phase me one bit. I kind of feel bad for you that you have so much anger.
Oh, you put "know" in THERE two times. Typo!!! I know how to use there, their and they're in a sentence. I will even go back and edit the main post for you. Will that solve the grammar war?
I made a mistake that was all.
Oh, you put "know" in THERE two times. Typo!!! I know how to use there, their and they're in a sentence. I will even go back and edit the main post for you. Will that solve the grammar war?
I made a mistake that was all.
| KC | 11-07-2006 04:43 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15903304]KC
Please just admit that this did nothing to further the topic at hand. Why are you still grasping at the fact that he had poor grammar and overlooking that you helped instigate the useless part of this thread. [/QUOTE]
Admit to what?
"How do I get a site."
"Poor grammar in a proposal will prevent you from getting one. Here's what you did wrong."
Instigating? I went easy on him. :)
[QUOTE=coolyjb]Have you talked with a local event chairman, they would be a good place to start." It would have been MUCH more productive.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=dyslexicwrx]I have attended events and I use to go a lot more often. I was going to work with the local group. I was not going out on my own to start my own autocross club. [/QUOTE]If I had suggested what you ask he would have gone off anyways. Since, he was going to work with the local group already.... why didn't he put that in there that he's already tried some contact, or his plans instead of leaving us guessing that he as not one clue about anything (yet later, he tries passing it off that he did). It's a no win situation in my part... but I'm not the one that keeps bringing it up... you want me to admit that I tried to help? Sure. That I did. In a different way. I'm not one to sugarcoat or hold hands. Sorry.
And yes.. this topic has come up in the past, and using a simple little search would have yielded not only answers, but help in what to do. Notice, I tried to help in my way instead of saying 'do a search'.
--kC
Please just admit that this did nothing to further the topic at hand. Why are you still grasping at the fact that he had poor grammar and overlooking that you helped instigate the useless part of this thread. [/QUOTE]
Admit to what?
"How do I get a site."
"Poor grammar in a proposal will prevent you from getting one. Here's what you did wrong."
Instigating? I went easy on him. :)
[QUOTE=coolyjb]Have you talked with a local event chairman, they would be a good place to start." It would have been MUCH more productive.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=dyslexicwrx]I have attended events and I use to go a lot more often. I was going to work with the local group. I was not going out on my own to start my own autocross club. [/QUOTE]If I had suggested what you ask he would have gone off anyways. Since, he was going to work with the local group already.... why didn't he put that in there that he's already tried some contact, or his plans instead of leaving us guessing that he as not one clue about anything (yet later, he tries passing it off that he did). It's a no win situation in my part... but I'm not the one that keeps bringing it up... you want me to admit that I tried to help? Sure. That I did. In a different way. I'm not one to sugarcoat or hold hands. Sorry.
And yes.. this topic has come up in the past, and using a simple little search would have yielded not only answers, but help in what to do. Notice, I tried to help in my way instead of saying 'do a search'.
--kC
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 04:59 PM |
I would not have gone off if you offered to help. I did do a search and I did not find anything. I admit I should have provided more information in the OP but that was not a reason to reply as you did. I would rather you say do a search. I have been on the site for a long time. I don't post much because I find most answers by searching.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-07-2006 05:58 PM |
[QUOTE=dyslexicwrx;15902932]Oh, I also know that we currently do not have an impervious cover requirement in the City that I work for. So islands in the parking lots are not a problem.
I know that because [b]I wrote the ordinance![/b]
I was not coming on here to start trouble or to piss people off.[/QUOTE]
So, you're the reason there are no autocrosses in Austin and surrounding areas.
I know that because [b]I wrote the ordinance![/b]
I was not coming on here to start trouble or to piss people off.[/QUOTE]
So, you're the reason there are no autocrosses in Austin and surrounding areas.
| dyslexicwrx | 11-07-2006 06:47 PM |
^^^ Me? How? We have no requirements.
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