| planetarygear | 08-08-2005 12:57 PM |
How would you do STX?
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You have a 2005 WRX and a fairly decent budget. How would you set up your car to win in STX?
| DougM | 08-08-2005 01:23 PM |
any racing experience?
| solo2wrx | 08-08-2005 01:24 PM |
Get front and rear sway bars (preferably adjustable ones) I am running whiteline sway bars front and rear. Next you get camber plates and you can either get STI take off shocks or you get coil-overs. The STI take-offs will be much cheaper and won't give you an extremely stiff ride that coil-overs will mostly likely do. Then you can decide what wheels and tires you want to get. I am running 16 inch wheels with 225/45/16 tires to help my gearing down low with the shorter sidewall. You can also run 17 in wheels with 225/45/17 tires. This will be enough to get you competitive.
| Scooby Freak | 08-08-2005 02:35 PM |
Does the car need to be streetable? Mine started as a daily driver, but I caved & bought an older nissan beater, so I only drive the WRX to autocross events now.
My wishlist (I'm about halfway there):
-larger adjustable front & rear swaybars
-stiff coilovers (8k/10k) w/ adjustable dampening & camber plates
-a good alignment
-any full exhaust w/ high flow catalytic converter
-custom ecutek tune that doesn't change boost
-lightweight seats & battery
-lightweight 17 x 8" wheels & whatever the current 'hot' tire is
-and lots of practice time
My wishlist (I'm about halfway there):
-larger adjustable front & rear swaybars
-stiff coilovers (8k/10k) w/ adjustable dampening & camber plates
-a good alignment
-any full exhaust w/ high flow catalytic converter
-custom ecutek tune that doesn't change boost
-lightweight seats & battery
-lightweight 17 x 8" wheels & whatever the current 'hot' tire is
-and lots of practice time
| Sideshowbob | 08-08-2005 03:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Scooby Freak]Does the car need to be streetable? Mine started as a daily driver, but I caved & bought an older nissan beater, so I only drive the WRX to autocross events now.
My wishlist (I'm about halfway there):
-larger adjustable front & rear swaybars
-stiff coilovers (8k/10k) w/ adjustable dampening & camber plates
-a good alignment
-any full exhaust w/ high flow catalytic converter
-custom ecutek tune that doesn't change boost
-lightweight seats & battery
-lightweight 17 x 8" wheels & whatever the current 'hot' tire is
-and lots of practice time[/QUOTE]
That ^^ Except change wheels to 16x7" with really lo-pro's for gearing purposes.
My wishlist (I'm about halfway there):
-larger adjustable front & rear swaybars
-stiff coilovers (8k/10k) w/ adjustable dampening & camber plates
-a good alignment
-any full exhaust w/ high flow catalytic converter
-custom ecutek tune that doesn't change boost
-lightweight seats & battery
-lightweight 17 x 8" wheels & whatever the current 'hot' tire is
-and lots of practice time[/QUOTE]
That ^^ Except change wheels to 16x7" with really lo-pro's for gearing purposes.
| DGTLLVR | 08-08-2005 04:24 PM |
[QUOTE=BeantownWRX]That ^^ Except change wheels to 16x7" with really lo-pro's for gearing purposes.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the course but yeah. I'd try both 16" and 17" with some decent tires, since you said a reasonable budget. One course may let you get away with staying in 2nd gear on the 16" rims the whole way around, another course may require 1st and 2nd, but may need 2nd gear to hangout longer which would require a taller tire on the 17" rims. It's alot easier to swap tires than final drive gears.
Depends on the course but yeah. I'd try both 16" and 17" with some decent tires, since you said a reasonable budget. One course may let you get away with staying in 2nd gear on the 16" rims the whole way around, another course may require 1st and 2nd, but may need 2nd gear to hangout longer which would require a taller tire on the 17" rims. It's alot easier to swap tires than final drive gears.
| jmott | 08-08-2005 06:29 PM |
find a 328is BMW with no sunroof if one exists...
ohhhh wait
wrong forum
haha
ohhhh wait
wrong forum
haha
| cooleyjb | 08-08-2005 06:36 PM |
[QUOTE=BeantownWRX]That ^^ Except change wheels to 16x7" with really lo-pro's for gearing purposes.[/QUOTE]
what tire has lower profile than 245/35 17????
that is of decent width and can handle the WRX weight. the 205/40 16 Azenis 615 is dinky little tire for a car that is 3200 pounds. All the other 16 inch ST tires aren't much shorter than 245/35 if at all.
just playing devils advocate here.
who's running a national setup with 16" rims. anyone?
what tire has lower profile than 245/35 17????
that is of decent width and can handle the WRX weight. the 205/40 16 Azenis 615 is dinky little tire for a car that is 3200 pounds. All the other 16 inch ST tires aren't much shorter than 245/35 if at all.
just playing devils advocate here.
who's running a national setup with 16" rims. anyone?
| cooleyjb | 08-08-2005 06:36 PM |
Check out Hoppe's old car Biggly's current car.
Here's the spec sheet from Tom's website
[url]http://www.tomhoppe.com/car.asp[/url]
Here's the spec sheet from Tom's website
[url]http://www.tomhoppe.com/car.asp[/url]
| trhoppe | 08-08-2005 06:41 PM |
[quote]How would you do STX[/quote]
91 Civic, STS mods, high flow cat, slip.
[quote]You have a 2005 WRX and a fairly decent budget.[/quote]
doh!
-K&N Typhoon
-Intake hose
-parts bin turbo
-equal length header
-good downpipe with high flow
-straightpipe
-ECUtek
-swaybars/endlinks
-Koni double setup with custom housings/camber plates
-pimpy rear lateral links
-pimpy big brake kit thats lighter then stock with carbotech pads
-seats
-lightweight battery
-light 17x8 with your choice of 245/35/17
-seat time
-Tom
91 Civic, STS mods, high flow cat, slip.
[quote]You have a 2005 WRX and a fairly decent budget.[/quote]
doh!
-K&N Typhoon
-Intake hose
-parts bin turbo
-equal length header
-good downpipe with high flow
-straightpipe
-ECUtek
-swaybars/endlinks
-Koni double setup with custom housings/camber plates
-pimpy rear lateral links
-pimpy big brake kit thats lighter then stock with carbotech pads
-seats
-lightweight battery
-light 17x8 with your choice of 245/35/17
-seat time
-Tom
| TyrannoSullyRex | 08-08-2005 06:44 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]
-parts bin turbo
[/QUOTE]
What does that mean?
-parts bin turbo
[/QUOTE]
What does that mean?
| PhilC | 08-08-2005 06:54 PM |
I think you'll find that most of the nationally competitive cars, at least the ones who go to National events, are pretty similar to Biggly's car. We may have a few mods here and there different, but we've all followed pretty much the same track. And AFAIK we all use 17x8 wheels or one type or another now.
[url]http://www.teamsoloracer.com/drivers/pjcroy.php[/url]
Needs updated, the JICs are on the living room floor and the Koni DAs with modified Cusco front plates using 7k/9k rates are on the car now. We've also made a switch over to the Yoko tires rather than the MXs. The car's a winner for sure but trying to make me a winner is a bigger challenge. And Jen still daily drives this car.
What everyone says is true though, the biggest difference you can possibly make is in you, spend the money on Evolution schools and event entries so you can take advantage of the mods you do perform.
[url]http://www.teamsoloracer.com/drivers/pjcroy.php[/url]
Needs updated, the JICs are on the living room floor and the Koni DAs with modified Cusco front plates using 7k/9k rates are on the car now. We've also made a switch over to the Yoko tires rather than the MXs. The car's a winner for sure but trying to make me a winner is a bigger challenge. And Jen still daily drives this car.
What everyone says is true though, the biggest difference you can possibly make is in you, spend the money on Evolution schools and event entries so you can take advantage of the mods you do perform.
| trhoppe | 08-08-2005 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex]What does that mean?[/QUOTE]
Take 4 or 5 turbos, pick the best looking one :)
-Tom
Take 4 or 5 turbos, pick the best looking one :)
-Tom
| KC | 08-08-2005 07:13 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Take 4 or 5 turbos, pick the best looking one :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I picked the shiniest one I could find. :D
-Tom[/QUOTE]
I picked the shiniest one I could find. :D
| dowroa | 08-08-2005 07:15 PM |
[QUOTE=planetarygear]You have a 2005 WRX and a fairly decent budget. How would you set up your car to win in STX?[/QUOTE]
I would sell my WRX, find Dr Biggly, and buy his STX National Champ car sans transmission :)
- dow
I would sell my WRX, find Dr Biggly, and buy his STX National Champ car sans transmission :)
- dow
| subaruwrx420 | 08-08-2005 07:38 PM |
Well, here is my set up:
Go to as many events as possible,
Espiler GT springs
KYB AGX, set to 4 all the time
Helix RSB and endlinks set to 26mm
Whiteline FSB set to 26mm
Noltec race camber/caster plates oriented in a diamond shape (I know it's wrong), with about -3.3camber / 2.5caster
Stromung 3' DP with divorced wastegate
Gutted UP
Stock third cat
2.5" straight pipe
COBB STX map
K&N filter with silencer delete
B&M short shifter & COBB bushings
Goodridge SS lines
Synthetic brake fluid from PepBoys
Enkei RPF1 17x7.5, currently with Hankook Ventus
I must say that I recently got the AccessPort and it makes a huge difference...I'm sure a custom tune would rock even more, but the car just pulls hard...there is no hesitation...it even surprised me a couple of times...good luck buddy.
Go to as many events as possible,
Espiler GT springs
KYB AGX, set to 4 all the time
Helix RSB and endlinks set to 26mm
Whiteline FSB set to 26mm
Noltec race camber/caster plates oriented in a diamond shape (I know it's wrong), with about -3.3camber / 2.5caster
Stromung 3' DP with divorced wastegate
Gutted UP
Stock third cat
2.5" straight pipe
COBB STX map
K&N filter with silencer delete
B&M short shifter & COBB bushings
Goodridge SS lines
Synthetic brake fluid from PepBoys
Enkei RPF1 17x7.5, currently with Hankook Ventus
I must say that I recently got the AccessPort and it makes a huge difference...I'm sure a custom tune would rock even more, but the car just pulls hard...there is no hesitation...it even surprised me a couple of times...good luck buddy.
| thechickencow | 08-08-2005 08:05 PM |
How much does the full koni DA setup cost?
| angryfist | 08-08-2005 08:44 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]Take 4 or 5 turbos, pick the best looking one :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
i picked the one without the blown oil seal... :rolleyes:
-Tom[/QUOTE]
i picked the one without the blown oil seal... :rolleyes:
| SMF | 08-08-2005 09:08 PM |
i can't believe no smarta$$ has said "driving lessons" yet...
| KC | 08-08-2005 09:11 PM |
[QUOTE=SMF]i can't believe no smarta$$ has said "driving lessons" yet...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PhilC]What everyone says is true though, the biggest difference you can possibly make is in you, spend the money on Evolution schools and event entries so you can take advantage of the mods you do perform.[/QUOTE]
:) ;)
[QUOTE=PhilC]What everyone says is true though, the biggest difference you can possibly make is in you, spend the money on Evolution schools and event entries so you can take advantage of the mods you do perform.[/QUOTE]
:) ;)
| Aaron B | 08-08-2005 10:08 PM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]And AFAIK we all use 17x8 wheels or one type or another now[/QUOTE]
I know 17x8/17x7.5 is pretty much the standard, but how much do you think I'd be giving up by running 16x8 w/ 245/45's?
BTW, rest of the setup
16x7's w/ 225/50 MX's (till next year)
Progress F/R bars
Perrin endlinks
Perrin up pipe
Stromung 3" DP
Cobb STX map
Koni/GC combo w/ 350/350 going on this month
C/C plates up next, double camber bolts for now
As many $2 runs as I can get in after each event, and as much advice as I can get from Roger Christopherson, Jeff Ellerby and Del Long...
I know 17x8/17x7.5 is pretty much the standard, but how much do you think I'd be giving up by running 16x8 w/ 245/45's?
BTW, rest of the setup
16x7's w/ 225/50 MX's (till next year)
Progress F/R bars
Perrin endlinks
Perrin up pipe
Stromung 3" DP
Cobb STX map
Koni/GC combo w/ 350/350 going on this month
C/C plates up next, double camber bolts for now
As many $2 runs as I can get in after each event, and as much advice as I can get from Roger Christopherson, Jeff Ellerby and Del Long...
| cooleyjb | 08-08-2005 10:17 PM |
[QUOTE=Aaron B]I know 17x8/17x7.5 is pretty much the standard, but how much do you think I'd be giving up by running 16x8 w/ 245/45's?
...[/QUOTE]
Well to begin with it's taller than the 235/40 17's in the kooks.
you are more limited in tire sizes when you go to 16x8
you have more sidewall to flex
etc etc etc
joe
...[/QUOTE]
Well to begin with it's taller than the 235/40 17's in the kooks.
you are more limited in tire sizes when you go to 16x8
you have more sidewall to flex
etc etc etc
joe
| PhilC | 08-08-2005 10:37 PM |
[QUOTE=thechickencow]How much does the full koni DA setup cost?[/QUOTE]
Koni tells us they aren't going to build anymore since they lost money on the few they did build. At this point I think you may want to start looking at a set of 2817s with custom built lower brackets. They'd definitely be lighter than the DAs built into mostly stock lower housings that we and a few other people have. The problem being that you might expect to incur a fairly significant development cost in the lower housings, but if you had them I think you could sell a half dozen sets a year. If I didn't have a set of DAs now I'd love for someone else to eat the cost of the first couple of prototypes on 2817 lower housings. ;)
Ours cost us $1500 used with the springs which was an incredible bargain. I understand Mike paid a little over double that to have them built originally and it took over 3 months to get them. I don't know for sure what 2817s run but I've heard the $600 a damper number thrown out.
You also might be able to get Koni or one of the other authorized places to turn single inserts into DAs but I have no idea on the cost of that or how it might even work out.
Koni tells us they aren't going to build anymore since they lost money on the few they did build. At this point I think you may want to start looking at a set of 2817s with custom built lower brackets. They'd definitely be lighter than the DAs built into mostly stock lower housings that we and a few other people have. The problem being that you might expect to incur a fairly significant development cost in the lower housings, but if you had them I think you could sell a half dozen sets a year. If I didn't have a set of DAs now I'd love for someone else to eat the cost of the first couple of prototypes on 2817 lower housings. ;)
Ours cost us $1500 used with the springs which was an incredible bargain. I understand Mike paid a little over double that to have them built originally and it took over 3 months to get them. I don't know for sure what 2817s run but I've heard the $600 a damper number thrown out.
You also might be able to get Koni or one of the other authorized places to turn single inserts into DAs but I have no idea on the cost of that or how it might even work out.
| PhilC | 08-08-2005 10:39 PM |
[QUOTE=angryfist]i picked the one without the blown oil seal... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
But a little oil in the intercooler is good for performance isn't it? :eek:
<--still on the turbo that came with the car.
But a little oil in the intercooler is good for performance isn't it? :eek:
<--still on the turbo that came with the car.
| PhilC | 08-08-2005 10:52 PM |
[QUOTE=Aaron B]I know 17x8/17x7.5 is pretty much the standard, but how much do you think I'd be giving up by running 16x8 w/ 245/45's?
[/QUOTE]
Assuming the tire's actual dimensions are accurate a 245/45-16 is 24.7" diameter and a 245/35-17 is 23.8". So you're giving up almost an inch of diameter with the 16" wheel. Even a nominal 245/40-17 is the exact same 24.7" diameter as a 245/45-16. If anyone made a competitive tire in 245/40-16 that might be a good choice but I don't think anyone does (never looked though).
Having mounted up several of the competitive tires on 17x8s and compared them to most of the others that are available on the same size rims I can tell you for a fact that nominal dimensions don't really mean diddly. Now I've never tried 16s on an STX car, most people think we're crazy for running stock size brakes that would actually fit under 16s, so can't even make a guess on what the actual dimensions on the 16" tires wider than 225 nominal actually are.
[/QUOTE]
Assuming the tire's actual dimensions are accurate a 245/45-16 is 24.7" diameter and a 245/35-17 is 23.8". So you're giving up almost an inch of diameter with the 16" wheel. Even a nominal 245/40-17 is the exact same 24.7" diameter as a 245/45-16. If anyone made a competitive tire in 245/40-16 that might be a good choice but I don't think anyone does (never looked though).
Having mounted up several of the competitive tires on 17x8s and compared them to most of the others that are available on the same size rims I can tell you for a fact that nominal dimensions don't really mean diddly. Now I've never tried 16s on an STX car, most people think we're crazy for running stock size brakes that would actually fit under 16s, so can't even make a guess on what the actual dimensions on the 16" tires wider than 225 nominal actually are.
| angryfist | 08-08-2005 11:32 PM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]But a little oil in the intercooler is good for performance isn't it? :eek:
<--still on the turbo that came with the car.[/QUOTE]
i tried runnign the blown turbo as a smoke screen last year but it didnt work too well... :lol:
<--still on the turbo that came with the car.[/QUOTE]
i tried runnign the blown turbo as a smoke screen last year but it didnt work too well... :lol:
| plokivos | 08-09-2005 05:44 AM |
get some hoosiers and pink springs, rear strut bar, ECu tuning.
that's all you need.
and get some driving experience, that's the most important thing. Tires, driving skillz.
that's all you need.
and get some driving experience, that's the most important thing. Tires, driving skillz.
| Aaron B | 08-09-2005 07:35 AM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]Assuming the tire's actual dimensions are accurate a 245/45-16 is 24.7" diameter and a 245/35-17 is 23.8". So you're giving up almost an inch of diameter with the 16" wheel. Even a nominal 245/40-17 is the exact same 24.7" diameter as a 245/45-16. If anyone made a competitive tire in 245/40-16 that might be a good choice but I don't think anyone does (never looked though).
Having mounted up several of the competitive tires on 17x8s and compared them to most of the others that are available on the same size rims I can tell you for a fact that nominal dimensions don't really mean diddly. Now I've never tried 16s on an STX car, most people think we're crazy for running stock size brakes that would actually fit under 16s, so can't even make a guess on what the actual dimensions on the 16" tires wider than 225 nominal actually are.[/QUOTE]
Ok, next 16" question; would you guys place greater emphasis on gearing or tread width?
While a 245/45R16 is still taller than the standard 235/40R17, it's also shorter than a 205/55-16 or 225/50-16. Also, a [b]225[/b]/45R16 comes out to a diameter similar to a 235/40R17 or 245/35R17 at ~23.9"
With both sizes available from Hankook, which size would be more advantageous? Go with tread width on the 245/45, or go with gearing on the 225/45? Or, am I out of my mind for saving money by sticking with a 16" setup?
Having mounted up several of the competitive tires on 17x8s and compared them to most of the others that are available on the same size rims I can tell you for a fact that nominal dimensions don't really mean diddly. Now I've never tried 16s on an STX car, most people think we're crazy for running stock size brakes that would actually fit under 16s, so can't even make a guess on what the actual dimensions on the 16" tires wider than 225 nominal actually are.[/QUOTE]
Ok, next 16" question; would you guys place greater emphasis on gearing or tread width?
While a 245/45R16 is still taller than the standard 235/40R17, it's also shorter than a 205/55-16 or 225/50-16. Also, a [b]225[/b]/45R16 comes out to a diameter similar to a 235/40R17 or 245/35R17 at ~23.9"
With both sizes available from Hankook, which size would be more advantageous? Go with tread width on the 245/45, or go with gearing on the 225/45? Or, am I out of my mind for saving money by sticking with a 16" setup?
| trhoppe | 08-09-2005 07:58 AM |
[quote]Or, am I out of my mind for saving money by sticking with a 16" setup?[/quote] Yes.
8611-RACE shocks are right at $1000 for the set of 4. Race valve on a 1.75" diameter shock. Double adjustable. Very nice. You just need housings to mount them up to a WRX. Steve Suly******** can take care of that, zzyzx on the boards.
-Tom
8611-RACE shocks are right at $1000 for the set of 4. Race valve on a 1.75" diameter shock. Double adjustable. Very nice. You just need housings to mount them up to a WRX. Steve Suly******** can take care of that, zzyzx on the boards.
-Tom
| TheWRX | 08-09-2005 08:19 AM |
[QUOTE=plokivos]get some hoosiers[/QUOTE]
Hoosier makes only one tire (Pro Street Radials) that [i]might[/i] be ST legal. According to the product description, they are "not suitable for racing purposes." They seem to be targeted at show cars, not quite what we're looking for...
Hoosier makes only one tire (Pro Street Radials) that [i]might[/i] be ST legal. According to the product description, they are "not suitable for racing purposes." They seem to be targeted at show cars, not quite what we're looking for...
| solo-x | 08-09-2005 08:34 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]91 Civic, STS mods, high flow cat, slip. [/QUOTE]
89's lighter.... i could get my 93 within 50lbs but with an extra 15whp.
89's lighter.... i could get my 93 within 50lbs but with an extra 15whp.
| cooleyjb | 08-09-2005 09:10 AM |
[QUOTE=Aaron B]Ok, next 16" question; would you guys place greater emphasis on gearing or tread width?
While a 245/45R16 is still taller than the standard 235/40R17, it's also shorter than a 205/55-16 or 225/50-16. Also, a [b]225[/b]/45R16 comes out to a diameter similar to a 235/40R17 or 245/35R17 at ~23.9"
With both sizes available from Hankook, which size would be more advantageous? Go with tread width on the 245/45, or go with gearing on the 225/45? Or, am I out of my mind for saving money by sticking with a 16" setup?[/QUOTE]
you might be saving money but you aren't gaining anything and you are losing some variablility.
There are fewer options in 16" it seems every year.
While a 245/45R16 is still taller than the standard 235/40R17, it's also shorter than a 205/55-16 or 225/50-16. Also, a [b]225[/b]/45R16 comes out to a diameter similar to a 235/40R17 or 245/35R17 at ~23.9"
With both sizes available from Hankook, which size would be more advantageous? Go with tread width on the 245/45, or go with gearing on the 225/45? Or, am I out of my mind for saving money by sticking with a 16" setup?[/QUOTE]
you might be saving money but you aren't gaining anything and you are losing some variablility.
There are fewer options in 16" it seems every year.
| KC | 08-09-2005 09:14 AM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]91 Civic, STS mods, high flow cat, slip.
[/QUOTE]
2nded
[/QUOTE]
2nded
| Aaron B | 08-09-2005 10:04 AM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb]you might be saving money but you aren't gaining anything and you are losing some variablility.
There are fewer options in 16" it seems every year.[/QUOTE]
Ok then, next question; 17x8 options. When comparing between 16x8 and 17x8 Slipstreams, for example, we're talking about a nearly 4# per wheel increase in weight (16.8 -> 20.2 as listed on Oakos) What are some decent 17" options that don't cost a small fortune? Or, will that 4# difference really result in that much of a difference?
There are fewer options in 16" it seems every year.[/QUOTE]
Ok then, next question; 17x8 options. When comparing between 16x8 and 17x8 Slipstreams, for example, we're talking about a nearly 4# per wheel increase in weight (16.8 -> 20.2 as listed on Oakos) What are some decent 17" options that don't cost a small fortune? Or, will that 4# difference really result in that much of a difference?
| Scooby Freak | 08-09-2005 10:08 AM |
[QUOTE=Aaron B]What are some decent 17" options that don't cost a small fortune?[/QUOTE]Enkei RPF1
| jmott | 08-09-2005 10:22 AM |
STX - street tires
so, no on the hoosiers
pink springs? no way
rear strut bar? probably pointless.
[QUOTE=plokivos]get some hoosiers and pink springs, rear strut bar, ECu tuning.
that's all you need.
and get some driving experience, that's the most important thing. Tires, driving skillz.[/QUOTE]
so, no on the hoosiers
pink springs? no way
rear strut bar? probably pointless.
[QUOTE=plokivos]get some hoosiers and pink springs, rear strut bar, ECu tuning.
that's all you need.
and get some driving experience, that's the most important thing. Tires, driving skillz.[/QUOTE]
| Aaron B | 08-09-2005 10:28 AM |
Does anyone have experience with 5zigen wheels? I see EdgeRacing has 17x8 Fn01r-c for $188 ea (flat black only, colors are more). Weight is just over that of a 16" Slipstream at 17#.
| PhilC | 08-09-2005 10:52 AM |
Josh runs 5Zigens, or at least he did last year. We have a set of 17x7 FN01R-Cs (not made in that size anymore from what I can tell) and have been extremely happy with the quality and weight for the price. The FNs are (or at least were) available in 48 and 35mm offsets, if I recall what Josh told us all at Nationals last year the 35mm offset ones were significantly lighter for some reason.
| trhoppe | 08-09-2005 11:27 AM |
I agree with the 5Zigens. Used a set of 17x9 before I sold them. Great wheel.
-Tom
-Tom
| AtomicRacer | 08-09-2005 11:42 AM |
[QUOTE=jmott]find a 328is BMW with no sunroof if one exists...
ohhhh wait
wrong forum
haha[/QUOTE]
DOH! Teucci hater =P
-Paul
ohhhh wait
wrong forum
haha[/QUOTE]
DOH! Teucci hater =P
-Paul
| Aaron B | 08-09-2005 12:05 PM |
Great guys, thanks for the responses and advice :)
| Fred | 08-09-2005 02:38 PM |
I'd daily drive and rallycross the 05 WRX and buy the Civic that trhoppe described. (it will be a lot cheaper, the "race kaaa" will be faster, and you'll have 2 cars - instead of just one that rides like crap & hates dirt roads)
:)
:)
| DrBiggly | 08-09-2005 03:30 PM |
[QUOTE=Fred]I'd daily drive and rallycross the 05 WRX and buy the Civic that trhoppe described. (it will be a lot cheaper, the "race kaaa" will be faster, and you'll have 2 cars - instead of just one that rides like crap & hates dirt roads)
:)[/QUOTE]
Agreed. The reign of the STX WRX is quickly coming to an end.
For what the mods cost for the WRX, you could buy the entire Civic + mods. Kinda sad isn't it? :(
-Biggly
:)[/QUOTE]
Agreed. The reign of the STX WRX is quickly coming to an end.
For what the mods cost for the WRX, you could buy the entire Civic + mods. Kinda sad isn't it? :(
-Biggly
| Fred | 08-09-2005 04:54 PM |
No, it's not sad. :p The WRX is much more fun as a rallycross car. The Civic is much more fun as an autocross car. If you get both, you can have fun & and kick ass everywhere. :)
| solo-x | 08-09-2005 05:09 PM |
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like this!
like this!
| WJM | 08-09-2005 06:30 PM |
Yeah, like that....
Civics are becomming more developed, and there are a few BMW's comming up to speed quickly.
Mirrior the Biggly/Hoppe setup and tweak it to your driving style.
otherwise teh BIGGEST thing is SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME!!!! That and getting GOOD advice from seasoned autox'ers....I am lucky to have Rankins, Krolewicz, Hoppe, Wagner, Zimmer and a few other very very good national level autox'ers in and around my autox area...so Ive had a very good first 2 years of autocrossing.
I've yet to take an EVO school...ive been faster than the few who have taken it...many people rave about how good it is...but...meh, I just dont see it doing any good for me at this point. But, I do recommend it for others, as it gets you into PROPER habbits for autox'ing (look ahead!) and the instructors are National level drivers/winners/champions.
Civics are becomming more developed, and there are a few BMW's comming up to speed quickly.
Mirrior the Biggly/Hoppe setup and tweak it to your driving style.
otherwise teh BIGGEST thing is SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME!!!! That and getting GOOD advice from seasoned autox'ers....I am lucky to have Rankins, Krolewicz, Hoppe, Wagner, Zimmer and a few other very very good national level autox'ers in and around my autox area...so Ive had a very good first 2 years of autocrossing.
I've yet to take an EVO school...ive been faster than the few who have taken it...many people rave about how good it is...but...meh, I just dont see it doing any good for me at this point. But, I do recommend it for others, as it gets you into PROPER habbits for autox'ing (look ahead!) and the instructors are National level drivers/winners/champions.
| KC | 08-09-2005 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=WJM]Yeah, like that....
Civics are becomming more developed, and there are a few BMW's comming up to speed quickly.
Mirrior the Biggly/Hoppe setup and tweak it to your driving style.
otherwise teh BIGGEST thing is SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME!!!! That and getting GOOD advice from seasoned autox'ers....I am lucky to have Rankins, Krolewicz, Hoppe, Wagner, Zimmer and a few other very very good national level autox'ers in and around my autox area...so Ive had a very good first 2 years of autocrossing.
I've yet to take an EVO school...ive been faster than the few who have taken it...many people rave about how good it is...but...meh, I just dont see it doing any good for me at this point. But, I do recommend it for others, as it gets you into PROPER habbits for autox'ing (look ahead!) and the instructors are National level drivers/winners/champions.[/QUOTE]
So you're better than a few that have and that's the reason not to take it? :lol: Suit yourself. :)
There's many different levels in the Evo school. You just might be surprised what you learn.
--kC
Civics are becomming more developed, and there are a few BMW's comming up to speed quickly.
Mirrior the Biggly/Hoppe setup and tweak it to your driving style.
otherwise teh BIGGEST thing is SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME!!!! That and getting GOOD advice from seasoned autox'ers....I am lucky to have Rankins, Krolewicz, Hoppe, Wagner, Zimmer and a few other very very good national level autox'ers in and around my autox area...so Ive had a very good first 2 years of autocrossing.
I've yet to take an EVO school...ive been faster than the few who have taken it...many people rave about how good it is...but...meh, I just dont see it doing any good for me at this point. But, I do recommend it for others, as it gets you into PROPER habbits for autox'ing (look ahead!) and the instructors are National level drivers/winners/champions.[/QUOTE]
So you're better than a few that have and that's the reason not to take it? :lol: Suit yourself. :)
There's many different levels in the Evo school. You just might be surprised what you learn.
--kC
| PKer | 08-09-2005 07:33 PM |
I didn't think I needed an EVO school either, then I did phase I and II and went from a solid mid packer to a soild podium finisher in one weekend.
| pleiades | 08-09-2005 07:33 PM |
[QUOTE=DrBiggly]Agreed. The reign of the STX WRX is quickly coming to an end......
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Agreed... :devil: :devil:
-Biggly[/QUOTE]
Agreed... :devil: :devil:
| PKer | 08-09-2005 07:36 PM |
WRX can still win on fast courses.
Actually, I'm kind of surprised STX isn't already spec 89 civic Si with LSD.
Actually, I'm kind of surprised STX isn't already spec 89 civic Si with LSD.
| WJM | 08-09-2005 08:49 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]So you're better than a few that have and that's the reason not to take it? :lol: Suit yourself. :)
There's many different levels in the Evo school. You just might be surprised what you learn.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Thats not what I am saying...I know I can definatly learn alot more, just from 3 runs in my car with Rankins riding along, I picked up 1.5 seconds...I know its out there....I am just saying, I am NOT ready to take the EVO school yet. I want to learn all that I can learn before I pay $200~$250. I want to show up at an EVO school knowing that I have maxed myself out, that I know that I DO need that extra little bit from the EVO school to get that extra bit unlocked, and come away with the key to what I wanted to know and that extra bit of speed.
I know that I am already better than a lot of people who have been thru the school...that doesnt mean I am saying its not worth it/my time or that I am Mark Daddio or something...I'm just saying I am not ready to take it, IMHO, and I am still learning on my own.
There's many different levels in the Evo school. You just might be surprised what you learn.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Thats not what I am saying...I know I can definatly learn alot more, just from 3 runs in my car with Rankins riding along, I picked up 1.5 seconds...I know its out there....I am just saying, I am NOT ready to take the EVO school yet. I want to learn all that I can learn before I pay $200~$250. I want to show up at an EVO school knowing that I have maxed myself out, that I know that I DO need that extra little bit from the EVO school to get that extra bit unlocked, and come away with the key to what I wanted to know and that extra bit of speed.
I know that I am already better than a lot of people who have been thru the school...that doesnt mean I am saying its not worth it/my time or that I am Mark Daddio or something...I'm just saying I am not ready to take it, IMHO, and I am still learning on my own.
| KC | 08-09-2005 09:13 PM |
What I'm saying is that you'll never be maxed out, even after you take the EVO school. They teach you concepts and practical uses... what you take out of the schools is what you want to learn.
I understand what you're saying... and I've heard that exact thing before. And 90% of the people in your situation say after the school "Damn, I wish I took that earlier. I could be so much faster now."
You want to go faster? Take the evo school. It's as simple as that. But take it when you're ready to learn. Learning from some fast drivers is great. Not discounting that at all. That's how I even got into auto-x myself.
Here's one more aspect of evo schools... it takes a few months to a year to actually put what they teach to good use, if they continue to work on the skills taught. So you may be faster than those people now... but give it a few months or a year, and they'll be beyond you. :)
The learning on your own doesn't stop even after the EVO schools. ;)
I understand what you're saying... and I've heard that exact thing before. And 90% of the people in your situation say after the school "Damn, I wish I took that earlier. I could be so much faster now."
You want to go faster? Take the evo school. It's as simple as that. But take it when you're ready to learn. Learning from some fast drivers is great. Not discounting that at all. That's how I even got into auto-x myself.
Here's one more aspect of evo schools... it takes a few months to a year to actually put what they teach to good use, if they continue to work on the skills taught. So you may be faster than those people now... but give it a few months or a year, and they'll be beyond you. :)
The learning on your own doesn't stop even after the EVO schools. ;)
| WJM | 08-09-2005 09:22 PM |
did I say that I will be maxed out? *looks back...* Oh I did...but I know there is a limit to what I can teach myself about autox...and I know that eventually I will take the EVO school...but learning never stops, I realize that. ;)
Ive heard everything possible about the EVO school, so I know what you mean. :)
However, I am just fine right now w/out it. Right now I am w/out a car...i am NOT fine with that. :mad: All of my energy, time and $ is going into that for the end of the season as a series of TnTs for next seasons campaign. :banana:
Ive heard everything possible about the EVO school, so I know what you mean. :)
However, I am just fine right now w/out it. Right now I am w/out a car...i am NOT fine with that. :mad: All of my energy, time and $ is going into that for the end of the season as a series of TnTs for next seasons campaign. :banana:
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