| Scooby South | 12-26-2006 07:08 PM |
Jan 07 Fastrack is up..
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[URL="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/07-1-fastrack.pdf"]January 07 fastrack[/URL]
Bill
Bill
| KC | 12-26-2006 09:35 PM |
Hmm, no solo notes.
| crystalhelix | 12-26-2006 10:44 PM |
yeah, I saw no solo notes as well..
| KC | 12-27-2006 07:39 AM |
Slackers... what the hell do we pay the solo board for? :lol:
| Scooby South | 12-27-2006 07:45 AM |
When I posted this..I hadn't even got a chance to look thru it...Lots of RallyX stuff tho...
Bill
Bill
| crystalhelix | 12-27-2006 08:19 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;16450750]Slackers... what the hell do we pay the solo board for? :lol:[/QUOTE]
Sammiches at nationals?
Sammiches at nationals?
| Chiketkd | 12-27-2006 11:06 AM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix;16448552]yeah, I saw no solo notes as well..[/QUOTE]
There was one Solo note in the BOD section:
MOTION: To accept the Solo Events Board recommendation regarding B Prepared. (Fairer/Gordy) PASSED
There was one Solo note in the BOD section:
MOTION: To accept the Solo Events Board recommendation regarding B Prepared. (Fairer/Gordy) PASSED
| CamaroFS34 | 12-27-2006 11:43 AM |
Actually, there is another solo note, though you have to look for it.
It speaks of the BOD appointing two new SEB members (did you even know these positions were open?) : Steve Wynveen (CENDIV) and Donnie Barnes (SEDIV).
Karen
It speaks of the BOD appointing two new SEB members (did you even know these positions were open?) : Steve Wynveen (CENDIV) and Donnie Barnes (SEDIV).
Karen
| jcroy66 | 12-27-2006 11:59 AM |
Yeah, I saw Steve's and Donnie's appointments. And nope, I didn't know they were open either. The CenDiv one certainly makes 100% sense though, as Marcus is in the newly formed Great Lakes Division. And so there wasn't a sitting CenDiv SEB member.
| sciolist | 12-27-2006 10:46 PM |
What? No de-badging allowance for SP?
| crystalhelix | 12-27-2006 11:53 PM |
i got no badges?
| sciolist | 12-28-2006 12:08 AM |
Good for you. I got no sammiches.
| KC | 12-28-2006 08:56 AM |
[QUOTE=sciolist;16459080]What? No de-badging allowance for SP?[/QUOTE]
Prolly in the next one.... on 12/4 I got the e-mail from Doug Gill that it was logged as 06-353... so it's in their hands... just probably not in time before the last meeting before the recent FT.
--kC
Prolly in the next one.... on 12/4 I got the e-mail from Doug Gill that it was logged as 06-353... so it's in their hands... just probably not in time before the last meeting before the recent FT.
--kC
| AUTOwrXER | 12-28-2006 11:46 AM |
We've discussed it on the SPAC forum, but we didn't have our call this month. I'm sure it will be part of a larger discussion on our call in January.
| crystalhelix | 12-28-2006 01:07 PM |
it must be seriously annoying to have to discuss debadging as a committee, lol...that and some of the other rules too...
woot for 2007!
woot for 2007!
| Storm | 12-28-2006 01:17 PM |
What is the definition of "badge"? :furious:
:lol:Jay Storm:lol:
:lol:Jay Storm:lol:
| sciolist | 12-28-2006 01:31 PM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix;16465026]it must be seriously annoying to have to discuss debadging as a committee, lol...that and some of the other rules too...
woot for 2007![/QUOTE]
Doug took it pretty seriously when I asked him, so apparently there are those who do. Seems kind of odd to me.
woot for 2007![/QUOTE]
Doug took it pretty seriously when I asked him, so apparently there are those who do. Seems kind of odd to me.
| crystalhelix | 12-28-2006 01:42 PM |
on smaller cars like miata's the badges do make up a larger percent of the stock weight, like at least 0.00000260% compared to a 3000 lb subaru with 1 ounce of badges it's like 0.00000208%
that's a huge advantage...sorry just wanted to inject some humor..
that's a huge advantage...sorry just wanted to inject some humor..
| Scooby South | 12-28-2006 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix;16465026]it must be seriously annoying to have to discuss debadging as a committee, lol...that and some of the other rules too...
woot for 2007![/QUOTE]
ohNoes....I changed my dash bulbs out tooo....:eek:
Bill
woot for 2007![/QUOTE]
ohNoes....I changed my dash bulbs out tooo....:eek:
Bill
| sciolist | 12-28-2006 04:37 PM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix;16465547]on smaller cars like miata's the badges do make up a larger percent of the stock weight, like at least 0.00000260% compared to a 3000 lb subaru with 1 ounce of badges it's like 0.00000208%
that's a huge advantage...sorry just wanted to inject some humor..[/QUOTE]
I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying that apparently some people actually take this seriously.
Doug told me the fact that badges were no longer pinned on would lend credence to my letter. So I guess the the 1.5 ounce badges were REALLY a big deal. :confused:
that's a huge advantage...sorry just wanted to inject some humor..[/QUOTE]
I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying that apparently some people actually take this seriously.
Doug told me the fact that badges were no longer pinned on would lend credence to my letter. So I guess the the 1.5 ounce badges were REALLY a big deal. :confused:
| AUTOwrXER | 12-28-2006 04:55 PM |
I think the letter was about "trim".
And no, not the kind to get excited over.
And no, not the kind to get excited over.
| crystalhelix | 12-28-2006 04:58 PM |
joel - can I write a letter to allow carbon fiber space frame replacements in BSP? I think it would get shot down..but what the hell, I could mortgage my house and send the STi to ProDrive for a complete work-over...
just kidding..
just kidding..
| 2superblus | 12-28-2006 05:35 PM |
Ah yes another month with no new Solo news, go figure.
| AUTOwrXER | 12-28-2006 08:11 PM |
[QUOTE=2superblus;16468290]Ah yes another month with no new Solo news, go figure.[/QUOTE]
It's January. Were you expecting a new rulebook?
It's January. Were you expecting a new rulebook?
| Aaron B | 12-29-2006 09:42 AM |
I'd rather take no news over BAD news.
| crystalhelix | 12-29-2006 10:53 AM |
x2...
| CamaroFS34 | 12-29-2006 12:14 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;16469811]It's January. Were you expecting a new rulebook?[/QUOTE]
I hope he wasn't expecting that. Everyone knows the new rulebook will come out in February. ;)
Karen
I hope he wasn't expecting that. Everyone knows the new rulebook will come out in February. ;)
Karen
| Warp3 | 12-29-2006 02:20 PM |
...then the new Time Trials rules sometime during the actual season itself. :lol:
| 2superblus | 12-29-2006 02:53 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER;16469811]It's January. Were you expecting a new rulebook?[/QUOTE]
Yes fine it's almost January. How come every other SCCA body has stuff in fastrack and we don't? I am just saying they did have things that could have been puy in there since nationals.
Yes fine it's almost January. How come every other SCCA body has stuff in fastrack and we don't? I am just saying they did have things that could have been puy in there since nationals.
| AUTOwrXER | 01-02-2007 09:14 PM |
[QUOTE=2superblus;16478011]Yes fine it's almost January. How come every other SCCA body has stuff in fastrack and we don't? I am just saying they did have things that could have been puy in there since nationals.[/QUOTE]
I think what you are looking for will be in the upcoming rulebook. All recommendations for 2007 were made by the Advisory Committees to the SEB previously. The SEB in turn made their recommendations to the BOD, whose final decisions will be in the rulebook.
I think what you are looking for will be in the upcoming rulebook. All recommendations for 2007 were made by the Advisory Committees to the SEB previously. The SEB in turn made their recommendations to the BOD, whose final decisions will be in the rulebook.
| KC | 01-02-2007 09:39 PM |
I hope this was stuff that was put out for member comment previously. ;)
--kC
--kC
| Scooby South | 01-03-2007 08:15 PM |
Digging around the SCCA website...I found a 2007 proposed rules changes for solo...
[URL="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Solorecommendedrulechanges.pdf"]2007 rules changes[/URL]
[URL="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Solorecommendedrulechanges.pdf"]2007 rules changes[/URL]
| AUTOwrXER | 01-03-2007 08:28 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;16516170]I hope this was stuff that was put out for member comment previously. ;)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Obviously. I skipped the first two steps (i.e. write a letter, published for member comment) and fast-forwarded to the part that was relevant. ;)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Obviously. I skipped the first two steps (i.e. write a letter, published for member comment) and fast-forwarded to the part that was relevant. ;)
| AUTOwrXER | 01-03-2007 09:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16528761]Digging around the SCCA website...I found a 2007 proposed rules changes for solo...
[URL="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Solorecommendedrulechanges.pdf"]2007 rules changes[/URL][/QUOTE]
Interesting. Thanks for posting that. It's not 100% accurate though. The SP BMW E36/E30 (and Lexus IS) move was withdrawn but it shows as a change in that linked document. The other SP stuff looks correct, but I can't speak for the other categories.
[URL="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/Solorecommendedrulechanges.pdf"]2007 rules changes[/URL][/QUOTE]
Interesting. Thanks for posting that. It's not 100% accurate though. The SP BMW E36/E30 (and Lexus IS) move was withdrawn but it shows as a change in that linked document. The other SP stuff looks correct, but I can't speak for the other categories.
| speed_racer_sti | 01-04-2007 03:32 PM |
If it helps, the 2007 Solo rule books are out. I ordered one yesterday.
| sciolist | 01-04-2007 09:08 PM |
[QUOTE=speed_racer_sti;16538936]If it helps, the 2007 Solo rule books are out. I ordered one yesterday.[/QUOTE]
And where might they be offered?
And where might they be offered?
| KC | 01-04-2007 09:50 PM |
Yeah, I can't find anything at the SCCA Site that says the rule books are out.
| speed_racer_sti | 01-05-2007 07:32 AM |
It's not listed on the site for some reason. They are probably slow to update it. I called the 1-888-267-2187 number and they said the rule books came in last week. Part number should be SCCA5665-07.
| wrx2.0 555 | 01-05-2007 07:42 AM |
[QUOTE=speed_racer_sti;16538936]If it helps, the 2007 Solo rule books are out. I ordered one yesterday.[/QUOTE]
And here I thought nobody actually bought these.......:lol:
Funny.......my 1st trip to Nationals this past year had one big oversite...a current rulebook....
I was shocked at just how hard it was to find someone who actually had a rule book I could use for registration. One competitor told me he hadnt purchased a rulebook in 7 years. :huh:
And then....as we're standing in line to register, another competitor ask to borrow the one I borrowed....
I probably shouldnt be announcing this :cool:
However...I do plan on buying an '07 rulebook...Just thought the whole scenario was kinda odd/funny... For some dumb reason, I just figured it to be the norm that everyone or just about would have a rulebook:rolleyes:
And here I thought nobody actually bought these.......:lol:
Funny.......my 1st trip to Nationals this past year had one big oversite...a current rulebook....
I was shocked at just how hard it was to find someone who actually had a rule book I could use for registration. One competitor told me he hadnt purchased a rulebook in 7 years. :huh:
And then....as we're standing in line to register, another competitor ask to borrow the one I borrowed....
I probably shouldnt be announcing this :cool:
However...I do plan on buying an '07 rulebook...Just thought the whole scenario was kinda odd/funny... For some dumb reason, I just figured it to be the norm that everyone or just about would have a rulebook:rolleyes:
| KC | 01-05-2007 07:48 AM |
IIRC, some of the $$ from the rule books go to help solo. Not buying one is only spiting the hand that feeds.
IMHO, when you order a rule book, you should have to supply your member number. Then it gets logged that you have one.
For a national event when you sign up on-line, it cross references your member number with having bought a rule book. No rule book? No registration.
If you buy one locally at your local event or whatnot, the person selling them takes down name and member number and goes to a 'merch login' page on the SCCA site and enters the info.
IMHO, the system they have in place should do just fine to be able to handle this.
--kC
IMHO, when you order a rule book, you should have to supply your member number. Then it gets logged that you have one.
For a national event when you sign up on-line, it cross references your member number with having bought a rule book. No rule book? No registration.
If you buy one locally at your local event or whatnot, the person selling them takes down name and member number and goes to a 'merch login' page on the SCCA site and enters the info.
IMHO, the system they have in place should do just fine to be able to handle this.
--kC
| crystalhelix | 01-05-2007 08:57 AM |
I think my rulebook (i buy one every year) was used to register several people as well.
I buy one every year because we tie owning a rule-book into having an annual tech inspection sticker. One sticker on the car, one in the rulebook with your signature so it can't be reused and if the one on the car goes away you have proof. Waiting in tech lines for local events suck when you typically know as much or more than the local tech chief. The local groups are pretty nice about everything once they get to know you though.
I buy one every year because we tie owning a rule-book into having an annual tech inspection sticker. One sticker on the car, one in the rulebook with your signature so it can't be reused and if the one on the car goes away you have proof. Waiting in tech lines for local events suck when you typically know as much or more than the local tech chief. The local groups are pretty nice about everything once they get to know you though.
| jcroy66 | 01-05-2007 08:57 AM |
Well, KC, speaking as the registrar for our local events, I don't relish the idea of more work just so we could help folks out by having rulebooks available for sale locally... :p
| PhilC | 01-05-2007 09:07 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;16547171]For a national event when you sign up on-line, it cross references your member number with having bought a rule book. No rule book? No registration.
IMHO, the system they have in place should do just fine to be able to handle this.
--kC[/QUOTE]
KC made a funny. :lol: You've seen the systems from the user perspective just like the rest of us, do you honestly think that the capability to do something like that is there when simple things like changing cars or numbers without having to call Topeka aren't? I'm not saying it couldn't be done, I could write the code to do it and I'm a server guy not a coder, just that given the current state of the SCCA web site and the complete lack of response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback from members I feel you'll never see anything actually done about it.
IMHO, the system they have in place should do just fine to be able to handle this.
--kC[/QUOTE]
KC made a funny. :lol: You've seen the systems from the user perspective just like the rest of us, do you honestly think that the capability to do something like that is there when simple things like changing cars or numbers without having to call Topeka aren't? I'm not saying it couldn't be done, I could write the code to do it and I'm a server guy not a coder, just that given the current state of the SCCA web site and the complete lack of response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback from members I feel you'll never see anything actually done about it.
| KC | 01-05-2007 09:37 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66;16547575]Well, KC, speaking as the registrar for our local events, I don't relish the idea of more work just so we could help folks out by having rulebooks available for sale locally... :p[/QUOTE]
Just the person SELLING the rule books, not anything to do with registration. It's a one time deal. You're going to buy one book.
You don't need a rule book for a local event, just a national event... and it's the people at the national level that are 'borrowing' these books.
--kC
Just the person SELLING the rule books, not anything to do with registration. It's a one time deal. You're going to buy one book.
You don't need a rule book for a local event, just a national event... and it's the people at the national level that are 'borrowing' these books.
--kC
| KC | 01-05-2007 09:41 AM |
[QUOTE=PhilC;16547651]KC made a funny. :lol: You've seen the systems from the user perspective just like the rest of us, do you honestly think that the capability to do something like that is there when simple things like changing cars or numbers without having to call Topeka aren't? I'm not saying it couldn't be done, I could write the code to do it and I'm a server guy not a coder, just that given the current state of the SCCA web site and the complete lack of response to the overwhelmingly negative feedback from members I feel you'll never see anything actually done about it.[/QUOTE]
You have to already use your member number to log in to register for an event. So we already know there's some checking to see if the member number is valid already.
Have another column next to your member number in the database that has a 0 or a 1. It gets checked before you're able to register.
IMHO, not hard at all.
Those that send in paper applications have to have your member number on it. When entering the data manually, when they reference the member table to verify if they really are a valid member, see if there's a 0 or a 1.
Again, IMHO, this would probably be one of the easiest things to implement.
If membernumber = valid and 2007rulebook = 1 then proceed to registration
If membernumber = valid and 2007rulebook = 0 then post message 'you need a rule book to register'.
--kC
You have to already use your member number to log in to register for an event. So we already know there's some checking to see if the member number is valid already.
Have another column next to your member number in the database that has a 0 or a 1. It gets checked before you're able to register.
IMHO, not hard at all.
Those that send in paper applications have to have your member number on it. When entering the data manually, when they reference the member table to verify if they really are a valid member, see if there's a 0 or a 1.
Again, IMHO, this would probably be one of the easiest things to implement.
If membernumber = valid and 2007rulebook = 1 then proceed to registration
If membernumber = valid and 2007rulebook = 0 then post message 'you need a rule book to register'.
--kC
| jcroy66 | 01-05-2007 10:06 AM |
[quote=KC;16547959]You have to already use your member number to log in to register for an event. So we already know there's some checking to see if the member number is valid already.
Those that send in paper applications have to have your member number on it. When entering the data manually, when they reference the member table to verify if they really are a valid member, see if there's a 0 or a 1.[/quote]
I'm not so sure that said checking is occurring. I was the chief of registration for last year's Peru Tour. I saw an awful lot of expired memberships. At least one had been expired since before the season began. (You couldn't tell that from looking at his smudged membership card, but he was a friend and made the mistake of bragging about how he didn't have a valid membership to Phil and I at dinner the night before we drove to Peru. Phil was like "Do you realize who's doing registration this weekend???" :devil: :lol:) So I don't think SCCA is checking that it's an active membership today, just that you have an account (which just requires a membership number, even if the membership is expired).
Those that send in paper applications have to have your member number on it. When entering the data manually, when they reference the member table to verify if they really are a valid member, see if there's a 0 or a 1.[/quote]
I'm not so sure that said checking is occurring. I was the chief of registration for last year's Peru Tour. I saw an awful lot of expired memberships. At least one had been expired since before the season began. (You couldn't tell that from looking at his smudged membership card, but he was a friend and made the mistake of bragging about how he didn't have a valid membership to Phil and I at dinner the night before we drove to Peru. Phil was like "Do you realize who's doing registration this weekend???" :devil: :lol:) So I don't think SCCA is checking that it's an active membership today, just that you have an account (which just requires a membership number, even if the membership is expired).
| jcroy66 | 01-05-2007 01:02 PM |
[quote=KC;16547906]Just the person SELLING the rule books, not anything to do with registration. It's a one time deal. You're going to buy one book.[/quote]
Well, we sell rulebooks at registration at our local events. So it seems like that responsibility would fall on me then. :)
Well, we sell rulebooks at registration at our local events. So it seems like that responsibility would fall on me then. :)
| KC | 01-05-2007 01:57 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66;16550642]Well, we sell rulebooks at registration at our local events. So it seems like that responsibility would fall on me then. :)[/QUOTE]
Realistically, how many rule books do you sell at each event? Would it be that much more of an impact if you gather this info? Looking at the goal here... making sure that people buy rule books to support national events and the solo program. They have their membership cards out already for verification, right?
--kC
Realistically, how many rule books do you sell at each event? Would it be that much more of an impact if you gather this info? Looking at the goal here... making sure that people buy rule books to support national events and the solo program. They have their membership cards out already for verification, right?
--kC
| Impala SS AutoXer | 01-05-2007 02:18 PM |
FWIW, in SFR we also sell rulebooks locally. We use it as a fundraising opportunity as well, relieves some of the pain for making our reg crew work more ;)
We also require a current rulebook in order to get an Annual Tech.
Granted we are a big region, but the number we sell in a year is in the hundreds...
We also require a current rulebook in order to get an Annual Tech.
Granted we are a big region, but the number we sell in a year is in the hundreds...
| Scooby South | 01-06-2007 07:14 AM |
Speaking of Rulebooks....Our region does like Jen says...
OBTW I found the [B]2007 [/B]versions on SCCA's website..
[URL="http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=0268B2-8EB2450&x=050|070&~="]CLICKY[/URL]
Bill
OBTW I found the [B]2007 [/B]versions on SCCA's website..
[URL="http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=0268B2-8EB2450&x=050|070&~="]CLICKY[/URL]
Bill
| crystalhelix | 01-06-2007 01:26 PM |
bill - your just very, very sneaky...
| Scooby South | 01-06-2007 02:20 PM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix;16562283]bill - your just very, very sneaky...[/QUOTE]
:devil: I have NO IDEA what that means.....:devil:
:lol:
;)
Bill
:devil: I have NO IDEA what that means.....:devil:
:lol:
;)
Bill
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