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LED Dome and Map Lights part 1

Skyline 12-04-2004 06:38 PM

LED Dome and Map Lights
Recently I drained my car battery (down to 8.8v!) when I left the driver's side map light on for three days straight. :rolleyes: Those little 1.25" festoon bulbs in the dome and map lights use 8 watts each and really don't produce too much light anyway

Enter... 1 watt Luxeon Star LEDs! I purchased three of [URL=http://www.taskled.com/dome.html][u]TaskLED's Dome Modules[/u][/URL] and popped them into place. It takes just a minute and now I have pure white light! No more sickly yellow light for me! Despite using only an eighth of the power, they seem to be brighter than the originals, too!

The nice thing about these modules is that they are mounted on drivers that provide constant current regulation. Even with all the typical voltage fluctuations in a car, they don't flicker a bit. Plus, the current regulation will ensure long life for the LEDs. You can read about the drivers [URL=http://www.taskled.com/ccxw.html][u]here[/u][/URL].

I'm just a happy customer, and I highly recommend [URL=http://www.taskled.com/][u]TaskLED[/u][/URL] and the great customer service.

Pictures! :D

[img]http://www.mklew.com/public/taskled01.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.mklew.com/public/taskled02.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.mklew.com/public/taskled03.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.mklew.com/public/taskled04.jpg[/img]
Jejunum 12-04-2004 06:40 PM

sweet. ive been thinking about buying some leds to replace the sickly yellow interior light.
1SIKWRX4U2NV 12-04-2004 06:44 PM

cool stage lights...when's the concert start? :lol: j/k. Looks good.
Foxy 12-04-2004 11:21 PM

Hey, that is pretty neat. How do you install them (or is it the same as for the Land Crusier described on their page?)
Skyline 12-04-2004 11:29 PM

Yes, they're just held in by metal tabs on each side. Push the tabs apart and the festoon bulb falls right out. For the map lights, there's also a metal guard to reduce glare. You can pull the guard straight down and it slides right out.
dbrier 12-05-2004 09:39 AM

I love it when CPF meets NASIOC ;)
wrx05 12-05-2004 09:52 AM

Nice mod..where did you get the lights? Do you have an exact part number?

Also, what is the "module" next to the lights?
dbrier 12-05-2004 09:54 AM

the link is in the original post
wrx05 12-05-2004 02:14 PM

cool..I didnt see the link in the original post. The shades of blue are pretty close.
SDscooby 12-05-2004 08:22 PM

Nice I'm getting some of those...
Skyline 12-05-2004 08:30 PM

[QUOTE=wrx05]cool..I didnt see the link in the original post. The shades of blue are pretty close.[/QUOTE]

Good point. I edited my post to underline the links. :alien:
volkl23 12-06-2004 02:00 AM

skyline, so which kit did you get under the order section? I'm a bit confused on exactly what I need to get.

nevermind.... I'm guessing you got the dome light kit and the map light kit?

How long did it take for you to do the installs?
Bishop 12-06-2004 04:47 AM

so wait. you spent $75ish on this? am i correct? please correct me if i'm wrong. 3 dome light modules right?
imprezive one 12-06-2004 09:21 AM

good god those are expensive!
Skyline 12-06-2004 10:06 PM

You need to order the Dome Light Modules (follow the link), NOT the Map ones. They are $25 each + shipping.

A plain 1 watt Luxeon Star costs about $13 with no additional electronics; go blame [URL=http://www.lumileds.com/]Lumileds[/URL] for their pricing. A typical LED driver board (constant current regulation) costs $15 or so. :) The TaskLED Dome modules include both. These are not the cheap unregulated 3mm/5mm LEDs ($1.50 each) that you would typically find at automotive stores (which people have found too dim to be used for interior lighting).

If these modules are too rich for you, by all means, don't buy them. ;)
volkl23 12-06-2004 10:13 PM

[QUOTE=Skyline]You need to order the Dome Light Modules (follow the link), NOT the Map ones. They are $25 each + shipping.

A plain 1 watt Luxeon Star costs about $13 with no additional electronics; go blame [URL=http://www.lumileds.com/]Lumileds[/URL] for their pricing. :) The TaskLED Dome modules include a constant current regulation circuit to drive the LED. These are not the cheap unregulated 3mm/5mm LEDs ($1.50 each) that you would typically find at automotive stores (which people have found too dim to be used for interior lighting).

If these modules are too rich for you, by all means, don't buy them. ;)[/QUOTE]
So how much is the total cost for this mod?
Skyline 12-06-2004 10:20 PM

[QUOTE=volkl23]So how much is the total cost for this mod?[/QUOTE]

$25 x 3 + $3 shipping = $78. I knew my college degree was good for something!
Tobey 12-06-2004 10:26 PM

very cool mod. added to the list! :)
Skyline 12-06-2004 10:44 PM

[QUOTE=volkl23]How long did it take for you to do the installs?[/QUOTE]

Just noticed this question. The answer is in my original post already, but basically, it takes a few seconds. This may be the easiest mod you'll ever do!

Map light:
1) Use screwdriver to pry open the plastic light lens (be careful not to scratch it of course).
2) Remove the black L-shaped metal shield to make the install easier; pull it straight down to remove.
3) Push two metal tabs apart, original lamp falls out.
4) Push two metal tabs apart, place module between tabs. Try the ON switch to see if it lights. If it doesn't, you have the positive/negative wrong, so just turn the module around.
5) Slide the metal guard back into place in the slot.
6) Push lens back into place.

Dome light:
Steps 1, 3, 4, and 6 from above.
dbrier 12-07-2004 03:09 PM

I put four of these on my Christmas list. :D
LYHTSPD 12-07-2004 03:12 PM

[QUOTE=dbrier]I put four of these on my Christmas list. :D[/QUOTE]
Why 4 Dale? Oh, and you are an uber light nerd! ;)
Snitt 12-07-2004 03:55 PM

I ordered 3 of them 5 minutes after I read about this on Sunday. The guy that runs the site answered my email on a Sunday, which was really cool, and he said he'd ship them out Monday. I'm going to grab one of my dad's tripods when I'm at home and take some "before" shots with my crappy superbrightleds.com festoon bulbs and some "after" shots with these ones.

The superbrightleds.com bulbs have four white LEDs in them and give off a LOT less light than the pics above. When the girliefriend gives me a "*** is this?" look when she turns on the dome light to try to root through her purse, you know it's time to look into getting a brighter bulb. ;)
pj's_Rex 12-07-2004 04:13 PM

I purchased the Festoons from Superbrightleds.com before, every led light I bought burned out within a month of the changover. I may try these, Im curious as to how much better they are with regard to reliability. They looked real nice and all, but as was said, they werent bright enough and they burned out.
volkl23 12-07-2004 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=Skyline]Just noticed this question. The answer is in my original post already, but basically, it takes a few seconds. This may be the easiest mod you'll ever do!

Map light:
1) Use screwdriver to pry open the plastic light lens (be careful not to scratch it of course).
2) Remove the black L-shaped metal shield to make the install easier; pull it straight down to remove.
3) Push two metal tabs apart, original lamp falls out.
4) Push two metal tabs apart, place module between tabs. Try the ON switch to see if it lights. If it doesn't, you have the positive/negative wrong, so just turn the module around.
5) Slide the metal guard back into place in the slot.
6) Push lens back into place.

Dome light:
Steps 1, 3, 4, and 6 from above.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Skyline. I'll add this to my wishlist of things to do for my car!
Another quicky question... how much brighter are these lights? Are they comparable to HID vs Halogen night and day difference?
Skyline 12-07-2004 10:06 PM

This mod will not give you a night and day difference compared to your original lighting. It's approximately the same amount of light (I suspect slightly more, but I've no way of measuring). LEDs are not yet as efficient as HID in lumens/watt. In this particular case, the reasons you can have a 1 watt LED produce approximately the light of an 8 watt incandescent is:

a) This 1 watt LED is more efficient than the 8 watt festoon incandescent (much less heat generated).
b) This LED radiates light in one general direction only (wide pattern of course). The festoon incandescent radiates all around, including directly into the housing. This is wasted light.

In the end, the reason for doing this mod is the improved color and lower power consumption. As I mentioned in my first post, I drained my battery when I left my map light on for 3 days. With the LED, it would take a few weeks to drain my battery now. I can also work on my car with the engine off and the interior lights on without fear. :)

A side benefit should be improved lifespan of the lights. A Luxeon Star driven properly with adequate cooling should last up to 100,000 hours. The current regulation board in the TaskLED modules can operate from 4V to 30V and provide a 350mA current limit to the LED. As you know, a car's electrical system fluctuates in voltage as the load changes (engine speed, air conditioning, headlights, audio system, etc). Despite this, the regulation circuit converts the power it sees into steady power for the LED.

Here are all the technical specifics of the TaskLED driver:
[quote]Constant current regulator. 350mA current limit. Current limit set by a single resistor (max 500mA).
Can drive either a single 1W Luxeon or two series connected 1W Luxeons (from minimum of 8V input).
Operates from 4V to 30V. Draws about 120mA from 12.8V to drive a single 1W Luxeon, draws about 200mA from 12.8V to drive two series connected 1W Luxeons.
Maximum output voltage 16V.
Protected against reverse polarity connection and output short circuit.
Regulator requires about 1V over the total LED Vf to maintain regulation, current drops when out of regulation.
Board is 1" x 0.8" (CC1WA version was 1" x 0.85")
Supercedes CC1W (8V output max)[/quote]

The inexpensive festoon LEDs at superbrightleds.com are merely several low power LEDs connected in series (perhaps with a resistor as well) to meet the 12V input. However, when the power surges to 14V, the individual LEDs are overdriven and overheat. This is a quick death for LEDs. Also, you would need 10 or more of the small LEDs to equal the light output of a 1 watt Luxeon Star.

Ok, it's been a long day at work for me. I hope all this makes sense!
newyorkreload 12-07-2004 10:30 PM

looks like a sweet upgrade
volkl23 12-08-2004 02:20 AM

Thanks Skyline for your your post! I think I will definetely do this mod now. Looks fun to do :alien:
Skyline 12-12-2004 07:15 PM

So has anyone else gotten their modules installed yet? Pics? Opinions?

:D
dbrier 01-06-2005 09:49 PM

[QUOTE=LYHTSPD]Why 4 Dale? Oh, and you are an uber light nerd! ;)[/QUOTE]
Rear wagon light.

Anyone else get these yet? I got a DVD recorder for Christmas instead of lights.
samwY 01-17-2005 02:00 AM

very tempting...$78 for interior lighting

damn you
Skyline 01-17-2005 10:35 AM

Add another $3 ($81) if you want Priority Mail shipping... if you're as impatient as me. It's been over a month now, and I'm still loving the LEDs. :D
LESLIEx317537 07-26-2005 11:30 AM

Anyone do this yet, and what about the trunk light?

Also adding a light under the hood when it opens would be nice too. I guess you would need a spring loaded switch wired to constant on.
Phy6 08-02-2005 11:47 AM

I'm not sure about regular WRX's, but when I shut the door in my 04 STi, the light stays on for a couple seconds and then fades out. So are these just going to shut off when the voltage gets too low?

BTW there must be a cheaper way of doing this...I'm looking into it, and I'll post my findings. :)
Skyline 08-03-2005 11:46 PM

Yes, the light does shut off when the electricity goes away. :p

If you can find a cheaper manufacturer of dome lights with 1W or 5W Luxeon Star LEDs pumped by a constant current regulation circuit, I'd love to find out about them. ;)
NeoGeo 08-04-2005 09:38 AM

Thanks to SKyline for a good find!

Any update on the LEDs? Are they still working? ;)

Just went to the TaskLED site and seems like he hiked up the price...3 Domes would come to 90 bucks... :(
bfarm 08-04-2005 01:16 PM

Sweet looking mod - I'd also like an update on how they are working out since this thread was started some time ago.

Anyone tried using these in the trunklight?

(The spring loaded hood light sounds pretty sweet - let me know how that goes if you give it a shot).

-BFarm
Skyline 08-05-2005 09:34 PM

They're still working just fine -- same as when I put them in. They are bright, and they have that antiseptic pure white look to them -- not yellow and nasty like the originals. Plus, I haven't accidentally drained my battery since! :p

As far as I know, there's currently no regulated Luxeon solution for the trunk light. :( I had hoped it would use the same type of festoon bulb, but it's more like a regular bulb base. :( I really want one too.
bfarm 08-05-2005 10:27 PM

Thanks for the update Skyline.

Maybe the trunk light issue is something worth emailing TaskLED about. There seems to be some interest in a solution...
alter.ego 08-14-2005 01:10 AM

let me be the first to congradulate you on not draining he battery (just seemed like nno one else caught this as the orignal point.)
Hagwag02 06-10-2006 09:23 PM

bump.
Skyline 06-10-2006 09:43 PM

Wow this one really got dredged up.

Left one of my map lights on overnight again. Gotta stop doing that. Good news is that it did nothing to my battery. LEDs rock!
Hagwag02 06-10-2006 10:07 PM

[QUOTE=Skyline]Wow this one really got dredged up.

Left one of my map lights on overnight again. Gotta stop doing that. Good news is that it did nothing to my battery. LEDs rock![/QUOTE]


I got the modules installed today. Prices are up a smidge, $90 + $3, but the shade of light is so much more pleasant. I can't thank you enough.

When re-installing the metal anti-glare clips in the map light the modules are rotated about 25 degrees toward each other. The light output appears fine. Have you bothered with remedying?
darknightohio 06-10-2006 10:13 PM

$90!! :eek: :lol:
Skyline 06-10-2006 10:36 PM

[QUOTE=Hagwag02]I got the modules installed today. Prices are up a smidge, $90 + $3, but the shade of light is so much more pleasant. I can't thank you enough.

When re-installing the metal anti-glare clips in the map light the modules are rotated about 25 degrees toward each other. The light output appears fine. Have you bothered with remedying?[/QUOTE]

Hmm, I don't think I had any issues with the positioning as a result of the anti-glare tabs.

Yikes, just checked my old post to see the original cost. I'm surprised they went up $5 each. That's sort of ridiculous -- the Luxeons LEDs have gone down in price, not up. Oh well, I suppose everyone has to eat...
Magnum626 06-11-2006 02:41 AM

Umm how bout a set of raybrigs? Much cheaper and white light as well. I just don't leave my map light on after doing it the first time.. Kinda like the steering wheel one... :)
Skyline 06-11-2006 09:44 AM

Didn't know about raybrigs -- 5w? Still love the look of LEDs. :)
LESLIEx317537 06-11-2006 03:48 PM

The luxeons draw so little it's great.
I got Luxeon in my Flashlight, and my bike light...

I only got one for the dome, but I'd like to get two more for the maps, but at 60 buks for two more, I think I'll wait till I get some more spare cash.
Magnum626 06-11-2006 11:08 PM

The raybrigs are like 14 bux for a pair..... :)

I guess the LEDs are worth it if you're always leaving your lights on....lol
Hagwag02 10-21-2006 09:43 PM

I would like to add some more cabin lights, one on either side of the shifter console to light up the foot wells, and the third in the back of the armrest to light up the rear seat area. They're 1 watt luxeons, so I'm not worried about current draw through the stock wires.

Would someone check my thinking?

There are three wires leading from the dome light. One is the power, and the other two are the ground wires, one for manual (constant) on, and the other for auto.

What I would like to do is splice into the constant-on ground and connect the three LED lights in series by running the spliced lead to the first LED, then run that LED ground to the next LED power lead, run its ground to the next LED power lead, then run that ground back to the dome light's constant on ground lead.

There shouldn't be any issues with cross circuiting. And all lights will come on when I flip the dome light switch to "ON", right?

And, if I used the "AUTO" ground leads [I]instead[/I], they should work just as well, right?

But, in order to be able to select between ON and AUTO, I CAN run a lead from BOTH the Auto and On ground leads to the first LED, but then I would have to run two leads from the final LED to a on/off/on switch with one wire running to the ON ground and the other to the AUTO so I can isolate the two stock ground leads. Right? Then I could leave the LEDs off, or select them to operate in either the separate modes.

Thanks.
LESLIEx317537 10-21-2006 10:56 PM

I think you should just wire it to the dome light... + and - and your set.

Just probe the dome light contacts for + and - and then run two wires to it.
Hook up the leds to the wire, run them in parrallel. And they should work fine.

I plan on putting blue lil LEDs in my map light and some other areas to lightly illuminate the dark areas like my friends Acura RL has. They will draw alot less than the Luxeons.

I would worry more about heat with Luxeons...
Skyline 10-22-2006 01:59 PM

The Luxeons draw 1w each, which is significantly less than the incandescent 8w. Smaller LEDs simply won't light up the cabin well enough. Heat has not been a problem for me, and it's been nearly 2 years now.
steve 10-22-2006 03:47 PM

^
Low heat generation is one of the many benefits to using LED's.
I just spotted this thread, and it's a great one Skyline. I'm all for LED's and customizing. Time to check my paypal balance.
:D
Skyline 10-22-2006 05:06 PM

Well, LEDs can produce a lot of heat as well. A 5w Luxeon flashlight will get really hot, really fast.

However, in this case, the 1w Luxeon is heat sinked and doesn't get that hot.
JHEARD09 10-24-2006 07:22 PM

check out leddomelight.com these are sweet and HSPN.com just did a install video that you can check out on thier website. You can also see this on iwsti.com. I just ordered mine today!
JDMviola 10-24-2006 07:28 PM

[quote=JHEARD09;15734279]check out leddomelight.com these are sweet and HSPN.com just did a install video that you can check out on thier website. You can also see this on iwsti.com. I just ordered mine today![/quote]

i cant figure out where to order the ones for the trunk and license plate. can anyone help me out?
Skyline 10-24-2006 10:43 PM

[QUOTE=JHEARD09;15734279]check out leddomelight.com these are sweet and HSPN.com just did a install video that you can check out on thier website. You can also see this on iwsti.com. I just ordered mine today![/QUOTE]

There's nice false advertisement on their site. :rolleyes:

Still, let us know how they are.

[quote]These lights [i]are like H.I.D. lighting[/i] for your interior - they're a great way to match your exterior lighting and they'll definitely turn heads on the show circuit.

If you can install a dome light, you can install [i]one of these plug-and-play HID's![/i] They install exactly the same way a stock bulb does, and they start as low as $35! The bulbs are available for a huge variety of popular cars like the Lancer Evolution, WRX and 350Z, to name but a few. [/quote]

I have noticed they don't mention anything about the actual driver circuit board for the LEDs. I bet these are direct drive off the car's power, and that's not good. The current available in a car's electrical system fluctuates wildly, and it'll probably burn out any LEDs in a much shorter time span that you'd expect. The TaskLEDs have a constant current regulation circuit that smooths out the power before reaching the LEDs.

Maybe you don't care, but I would if I was spending $35/bulb.
hadi10 09-29-2007 02:06 PM

do any of you guys know what the part number for the map light. ? my impreza dosent come with a map light.
Dforce 09-29-2007 02:50 PM

call your dealer.
Eyedoc Orlando 09-29-2007 03:34 PM

holy crap, old thread alert!
vatorn10 05-19-2008 01:36 PM

its old..............but its a nice upgrade

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