| DammitBevis | 07-15-2002 12:46 PM |
McRae calls for Schumacher duel
[url]http://rally.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/020715123446.shtml[/url]
Now THAT's entertainment!
I hope hope hope this happens, and is TELEVISED. C'mon Speedvision!
Now THAT's entertainment!
I hope hope hope this happens, and is TELEVISED. C'mon Speedvision!
| TheWRX | 07-15-2002 01:18 PM |
Why not throw one of those NASCAR guys in there, to create more appeal for US viewers? My guess is that the result would largely depend on how you weight the two (or three) different contests, but it sure sounds like a lot of fun.
| cd3575 | 07-15-2002 01:39 PM |
They should do something like the british Rally crossed you see on motorsports mundial. That way you get a little tarmac and dirt rather that both extremes. Plus that could be done in a staduim setting easier for spectators to attend and raise more charity money.
| Opie | 07-15-2002 02:36 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheWRX [/i]
[B]Why not throw one of those NASCAR guys in there, to create more appeal for US viewers? My guess is that the result would largely depend on how you weight the two (or three) different contests, but it sure sounds like a lot of fun. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree :), Jeff Gordon keeps saying he wants to try out Formula 1...and Robby Gordon has already tested for a WRC team...that would be quite entertaining!
[B]Why not throw one of those NASCAR guys in there, to create more appeal for US viewers? My guess is that the result would largely depend on how you weight the two (or three) different contests, but it sure sounds like a lot of fun. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree :), Jeff Gordon keeps saying he wants to try out Formula 1...and Robby Gordon has already tested for a WRC team...that would be quite entertaining!
| Subie Gal | 07-15-2002 03:30 PM |
i say they do 2 events and raise twice the money...
Schumi wont do it.. :D he'd lose!! :lol:
rally drivers can pretty much drive anything...
with some success - and i'm basing this on past rally drivers crossing over into other forms of racing... ahhhh ummm....
but not too sure it works both ways...
be interesting to find out!!! :D
worth a giggle anyway eh?
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
Schumi wont do it.. :D he'd lose!! :lol:
rally drivers can pretty much drive anything...
with some success - and i'm basing this on past rally drivers crossing over into other forms of racing... ahhhh ummm....
but not too sure it works both ways...
be interesting to find out!!! :D
worth a giggle anyway eh?
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| Coati | 07-15-2002 03:39 PM |
How 'bout live pay-per-view with all proceeds to charity?
| RollingRex | 07-15-2002 03:42 PM |
[QUOTE]worth a giggle anyway eh?[/QUOTE]
True!!!:D
True!!!:D
| MulletSlayer | 07-15-2002 04:13 PM |
That would be great to see, but Schumacher will never do it. He can only come out looking bad. F-1 drivers THINK they are at the top of the motor sport ladder.
Besides he really has nothing to prove. Colin would have a better chance challenging Ralph.
Besides he really has nothing to prove. Colin would have a better chance challenging Ralph.
| Coati | 07-15-2002 04:19 PM |
Okay, how about Michael and Ralf vs Colin and Alister in both cars ... or a demolition derby?
| MulletSlayer | 07-15-2002 04:43 PM |
You could put all four of them in a NASCAR race. But Schumacher would say its to dangerous.
Maybe a drag race Ferrari vs Ford or something like that. You can easily blame your loss on the car.
Maybe a drag race Ferrari vs Ford or something like that. You can easily blame your loss on the car.
| johnfelstead | 07-15-2002 04:59 PM |
The last F1 driver to do well in rallying is Jim Clarke, but back then F1 cars used to move around a LOT. The two disiplines are very diferent now, if you go sideways in an F1 car your going slow, damn shame. :D
I think any top driver can cross over though, but as rally drivers have to cope with tarmac, loose, snow etc they are more naturally at home in a crossover competition.
I remember an article many years ago in the UK where Senna drove 5 top british rally cars in the forests of wales, at the forest now run by the higgins brothers actually, he was blindingly fast after about 30 minutes tuition! Then again, he was the master of low grip races. I would love to see a head to head that was fairly setup, be great fun! :D
I think any top driver can cross over though, but as rally drivers have to cope with tarmac, loose, snow etc they are more naturally at home in a crossover competition.
I remember an article many years ago in the UK where Senna drove 5 top british rally cars in the forests of wales, at the forest now run by the higgins brothers actually, he was blindingly fast after about 30 minutes tuition! Then again, he was the master of low grip races. I would love to see a head to head that was fairly setup, be great fun! :D
| Zapper | 07-15-2002 05:38 PM |
Schumi is a master at low grip too!!!
If you look at any wet race Schumacher is in his usually ends up winning by like 45 seconds... and this was true in both the Benettons and the Ferrari's. The man has incredible car control... I would love to see this match up... it would be great!!!!
| hillman | 07-15-2002 06:14 PM |
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rally drivers can pretty much drive anything...
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Somewhere around here I have a picture of MS driving a racing kart, apparently at a charity event at the family kart track... covered in snow and ice.
I think he won.
rally drivers can pretty much drive anything...
[/quote]
Somewhere around here I have a picture of MS driving a racing kart, apparently at a charity event at the family kart track... covered in snow and ice.
I think he won.
| Fred Zaplitny | 07-15-2002 06:36 PM |
If McRae and Schumacher duel, I hope they use pistols. And Shuey's is unloaded! :lol:
[IMG]http://www.freebmw.net/share/Smilies/ak-47-shooting.gif[/IMG]
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| Rattler | 07-15-2002 10:33 PM |
Ralf would probably end up taking the bullet under Mom's/team orders.:lol: :lol:
| Tangmere | 07-15-2002 11:09 PM |
Race of Champions
There's already a venue of sorts for this that takes the best (I think) Rallyist, Motorcyclist and Road Racer of each country and puts them head to head in rally cars of different sorts. Its called the Race of Champions and is put on by Michele Mouton in the Grand Canari Islands. Last year the US team consisted of Robbie Gordon and Shaun Palmer and someone else whose name I forget. The Americans surprised more than a few of the "regulars".
Mark
Mark
| Rattler | 07-16-2002 12:11 AM |
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I cuaght part of a Speed Channel show about ROC. Robby Gordon dusted everyone's times until he turned over a car and burned it. I would have loved to see him get behind the wheel of one of Per Eklund's Saabs. Gilles Panizzi said "They are too fast and are $h1t!"
I sure wish Robby would get out of NASCAR and go with Ford's WRC program like they offered.
I sure wish Robby would get out of NASCAR and go with Ford's WRC program like they offered.
| tifosi77 | 07-16-2002 12:27 AM |
While many of the Nascar guys could do decent in the rally car (Dirt track experience) I frankly feel that no one outside of the US would care if they were included because NASCAR doesnt really get any respect outside of this country. IF any Nasca driver would stand a chance it would be Robby gordon since he is so diverse but frankly Jeff Gordon would fall on his face I'm sorry but aside from JPM who was the last CART regular that did well in F1....... That would be mario or emmerson or perhaps Bobby Rahal or eddie cheever those people are pretty past it. Colin has lapped some decent times in the Jag a few years ago at a test I believe it was at Silverstone so I would be interested to watch. Jean Alesi ran a few ice rallies a year or two ago and did okay so it could be interesting.
| Rattler | 07-16-2002 12:40 AM |
Robby was offered a seat by Ford last year. I think he didn't want all that travel. It is an obscene amount of time that the WRC guys travel out of the year too. I don't know what the details were on the offer as to how many races and what car. Rally XS had it in an article a few months ago. As a matter of fact, it was in the article about Michelin's ROC.
| Rattler | 07-16-2002 12:56 AM |
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I found the article and scanned it in. There just so happened to be a million dollar photo right above the article so I included it for some reason.:D
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2002 06:09 AM |
No disrespect to the guy, but come on! You stick ANY race track trained driver against the top flight in WRC and they would be seriously slow by comparison. How long did it take Colin, Richard, Tommi etc to become the best, how long is it taking Petter, Marco etc to make it. Sure the guy is probably going to do quite well in the sub pro level, but up against drivers in the WRC that do this every day for all their adult life he would be destroyed.
Ford would not give a drive to a novice rally driver in place of an established or young, very tallented rally oriented guy, they arent that stupid! They may give him a few runs in a lower spec car for publicity, thats not unheard of. There are only 2 or 3 places per team in the top flight of the WRC, thats a pretty exclusive group of drivers, you only get those drives if your very very good!
As to NASCAR and it's image outside the USA. The majority of people in Europe dont give it a second thought. It's incredibly dull to watch compared to what we have on offer. Oval racing in general has very little interest, CART was quite popular amongst real race fans but thats gone to the dogs of late, the TV coverage we get of that has shrunk masively over the last 2 years.
Dont forget, something like the ROC is nothing like doing a special stage, the ROC is very race track in its nature as you get to do the lap many times, you get one shot at a rally stage, to do that at the real pace of the top WRC guys takes masive skill and experience, thats why the best drivers in the WRC are in their 30's, you need years under your belt to compete at that level.
Ford would not give a drive to a novice rally driver in place of an established or young, very tallented rally oriented guy, they arent that stupid! They may give him a few runs in a lower spec car for publicity, thats not unheard of. There are only 2 or 3 places per team in the top flight of the WRC, thats a pretty exclusive group of drivers, you only get those drives if your very very good!
As to NASCAR and it's image outside the USA. The majority of people in Europe dont give it a second thought. It's incredibly dull to watch compared to what we have on offer. Oval racing in general has very little interest, CART was quite popular amongst real race fans but thats gone to the dogs of late, the TV coverage we get of that has shrunk masively over the last 2 years.
Dont forget, something like the ROC is nothing like doing a special stage, the ROC is very race track in its nature as you get to do the lap many times, you get one shot at a rally stage, to do that at the real pace of the top WRC guys takes masive skill and experience, thats why the best drivers in the WRC are in their 30's, you need years under your belt to compete at that level.
| Rattler | 07-16-2002 01:16 PM |
Robby raced for Toyota a few years ago in the Baja trucks. He was racing with Ivan Stewart, a legend in the sport. At his first practice in a Toyota, he beat Ivan's best time on the practice track. He then demolished that time in his old Ford Protruck(I believe it was the one in the above pic). Robby's problem is with people, not the machines. He couldn't get along with Ivan so he was sent on his way by Toyota.
Like the guys from Autoweek with F1. I would just like to see how an American would fare at WRC.
[url]http://www.robbygordon.com/OFFROAD/glamis/glamis_air.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.robbygordon.com/OFFROAD/roc/roc.htm[/url]
Like the guys from Autoweek with F1. I would just like to see how an American would fare at WRC.
[url]http://www.robbygordon.com/OFFROAD/glamis/glamis_air.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.robbygordon.com/OFFROAD/roc/roc.htm[/url]
| HoRo1 | 07-16-2002 05:22 PM |
NASCAR vs F1 vs WRC - don't make me laugh. Sorry NASCAR, but if you don't race in the rain then you're not a racer, it's as simple as that. Most of their drivers are too old and too fat - they need to use the "jaws of life" just to get them out of their cars at the end of race, that is unless they grease them up with a big tub of lard and squeeze real hard! :eek: :lol: :eek: :lol:
Note to NASCAR; get rid of that yellow flag stuff making your "races" more "exciting". Don't give me any of that IROC crap either. Leave the wreckage/bodies as chicanes, then we'll see how good the tractor drivers really are. :devil:
Note to NASCAR; get rid of that yellow flag stuff making your "races" more "exciting". Don't give me any of that IROC crap either. Leave the wreckage/bodies as chicanes, then we'll see how good the tractor drivers really are. :devil:
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2002 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rattler [/i]
[B]
I would just like to see how an American would fare at WRC.
[/B][/QUOTE]
So would I. I genuinely want to see an American/Canadian get to the level of these top WRC guys, you aint there yet but i see no reason why not in the future if Rallying continues to grow in the USA.
It's very very hard stuff this. It isnt so long ago that saying a Brit would be king of the WRC would have been laughed at! It took huge investment in McRae and Burns to turn that around. Now look at the guys in Britain, even the ones who cant get works WRC drives are brilliant because they have the competition, equipment and backing.
It's going to happen in the USA, i really hope so, but it wont be guys like Robbie IMHO.
[B]
I would just like to see how an American would fare at WRC.
[/B][/QUOTE]
So would I. I genuinely want to see an American/Canadian get to the level of these top WRC guys, you aint there yet but i see no reason why not in the future if Rallying continues to grow in the USA.
It's very very hard stuff this. It isnt so long ago that saying a Brit would be king of the WRC would have been laughed at! It took huge investment in McRae and Burns to turn that around. Now look at the guys in Britain, even the ones who cant get works WRC drives are brilliant because they have the competition, equipment and backing.
It's going to happen in the USA, i really hope so, but it wont be guys like Robbie IMHO.
| ChrisW | 07-16-2002 06:53 PM |
John,
FWIW, robby gordon competes in the baja 1000 almost every year schedule permitting. I think he would do well in WRC.
When the robby is not nascrap racing, he was cart racing, and when both of those activities permit, he races his truck (the flying one in the pic posted earlier)
FWIW, robby gordon competes in the baja 1000 almost every year schedule permitting. I think he would do well in WRC.
When the robby is not nascrap racing, he was cart racing, and when both of those activities permit, he races his truck (the flying one in the pic posted earlier)
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2002 08:40 PM |
I know he does Chris. That doesnt change my opinion. I am not saying he is a bad driver, far from it, just trying to get across the void there is between a great driver and a driver capable of winning in the WRC.
| Porsche914boxer4 | 07-16-2002 09:04 PM |
For an answer, look at who often wins the IROC.....
Rally drivers.
Rally drivers.
| Rattler | 07-16-2002 10:21 PM |
Just to clarify people are talking about 2 different races:
IROC=International Race Of Champions is a series with NASCAR, CART, IRL, etc. drivers competing in equal-prepped cars.
ROC=(Michilen's)Race Of Champions is put on by Michilen once a year at the end of the motorsports season in the Canary Islands. Michelle Mouton of Audi fame is one of the organizers.
IROC=International Race Of Champions is a series with NASCAR, CART, IRL, etc. drivers competing in equal-prepped cars.
ROC=(Michilen's)Race Of Champions is put on by Michilen once a year at the end of the motorsports season in the Canary Islands. Michelle Mouton of Audi fame is one of the organizers.
| AndyRoo | 07-17-2002 09:46 AM |
Here is that pic of Schumi on ice.
[URL=http://www.dailyf1.com/data/wallpapers/2002/preseason/dailyf1-preseason-MSkarting-800.jpg]http://www.dailyf1.com/data/wallpapers/2002/preseason/dailyf1-preseason-MSkarting-800.jpg[/URL]
[URL=http://www.dailyf1.com/data/wallpapers/2002/preseason/dailyf1-preseason-MSkarting-800.jpg]http://www.dailyf1.com/data/wallpapers/2002/preseason/dailyf1-preseason-MSkarting-800.jpg[/URL]
| AndyRoo | 07-17-2002 09:49 AM |
After looking at the picture, i noticed the other drivers look like F1 dudes too. And notice who's out in front.
| gtguy | 07-17-2002 12:59 PM |
It seems to me that Schumacher would win the F1 portion, and McRae would win the rally portion. I'm betting that the gaps would be about the same, since Colin would spin the F2002 trying to drift it through corners, and it would take Schumacher a while to figure out how to drift a rally car.
Are rally drivers exceptional? Absolutely. But a great driver (witnessed by johnfelstead's Senna/rally story) is a great driver. Given time, they'll be fast in anything, and haters notwithstanding, Schumacher is a great driver, with preternatural car control. Ditto for McRae.
Kevin
Are rally drivers exceptional? Absolutely. But a great driver (witnessed by johnfelstead's Senna/rally story) is a great driver. Given time, they'll be fast in anything, and haters notwithstanding, Schumacher is a great driver, with preternatural car control. Ditto for McRae.
Kevin
| Mike M | 07-17-2002 03:50 PM |
I agree wholeheartedly with Kevin. Even though specialization is the preferred method for drivers in this day and age, look back at the guys that have historically been called "racing heroes". Guys like Moss, Clark, Foyt, Gurney, and especially Mario Andretti. These were drivers that competed in a wide variety of disciplines, and did so competitively. I just think it's a shame that modern motorsports (and the contracts that are an integral part of the business) discourage drivers from doing this type of thing. Personally, I'd love to see Robby Gordon give the WRC a go, just as much as I'd love to see Tony Stewart try his hand at an open wheel race that requires turning in both directions! Hell, when Gerhard Berger retired from F1 a few years ago, he was talking about looking for a drive in NASCAR. :eek: Now THAT would have got me to watch! ;)
| Rattler | 07-17-2002 03:58 PM |
This is from Tony Stewart's website.
In 1983 at the age of 12, Stewart had won his first championship – the International Karting Federation Grand National championship. Another karting championship was won in 1987, when Stewart collected the World Karting Association National championship.
I wonder how much of his ability to turn right he has lost over the years. He also won the IRL championship in 1997.
In 1983 at the age of 12, Stewart had won his first championship – the International Karting Federation Grand National championship. Another karting championship was won in 1987, when Stewart collected the World Karting Association National championship.
I wonder how much of his ability to turn right he has lost over the years. He also won the IRL championship in 1997.
| Fred Zaplitny | 07-17-2002 10:55 PM |
I would like to see Stewart take a crack at CART. Not gonna happen though, to much $$$$$ in NASCAR.
Did you hear that if Team Green goes IRL next year (VERY highly likely), Paul Tracy may go race in NASCAR for Kyle Petty! He's not stupid, he knows where the money is. Too bad though, I'd like to see him back in CART next year.
Did you hear that if Team Green goes IRL next year (VERY highly likely), Paul Tracy may go race in NASCAR for Kyle Petty! He's not stupid, he knows where the money is. Too bad though, I'd like to see him back in CART next year.
| Rattler | 07-17-2002 11:37 PM |
Kinda like me if I was a World Heavyweight champ boxer and saying "I'm going to the WWF next year!!"
| Fred Zaplitny | 07-17-2002 11:49 PM |
I still think they should use guns!
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2002 01:35 AM |
This May Have Already Been Done Before...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]It seems to me that Schumacher would win the F1 portion, and McRae would win the rally portion. I'm betting that the gaps would be about the same...[/B][/QUOTE]I gotta agree w/Kevin on this.
Also, I think this has been done, and it was as Kevin predicted... About a decade ago, didn't a rally driver test a F1 car?
[B]It seems to me that Schumacher would win the F1 portion, and McRae would win the rally portion. I'm betting that the gaps would be about the same...[/B][/QUOTE]I gotta agree w/Kevin on this.
Also, I think this has been done, and it was as Kevin predicted... About a decade ago, didn't a rally driver test a F1 car?
| tifosi77 | 07-18-2002 02:12 AM |
John I have to agree with you, I said in my post that I think that Robby Gordon would have the best chance but I do not think that he could compete in the WRC and be competitive. Bottom line America has second rate talent when it comes to racing, what was the last mahor championship won by an american? Probably Marios world title but seriously Alex Zanardi was blowing the doors off of people in CART and he he got his ass handed to him when he returned to F1. Michael Andretti got absolutely destroyed at Mclaren. Probably the most succesful American over seas is Richard Antonucci (has been living a broad for quite some time), Philip Giebler (German F3 I believe), Paul Edwards (won formula palmer audi and had a decent season of F3 and has now dissapeared). Plain and simple the US is not up to scratch, go to karting race in europe and you will see what I mean, until we foster karting (the way they do in Europe, some of those kart teams look more organized than some of the SCCA Prorally teams) and follow it up with a structured lower formulas (NASCAR is the exception here since they have a very clear ladder system that is succesful) we will never produce top racers.
| OnTheGas | 07-18-2002 04:35 AM |
Of Fast Americans Abroad...
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tifosi77 [/i]
[B]Bottom line America has second rate talent when it comes to racing, what was the last mahor championship won by an american? Probably Marios world title but seriously Alex Zanardi was blowing the doors off of people in CART and he he got his ass handed to him when he returned to F1...[/B][/QUOTE]Jacques Villeneuve made the same trip as Michael Andretti, and became world champion in his 2nd season of F1. Juan Pablo Montoya looks like he is also capable of winning a world championship F1.
The problem is not the quality of talent from the states... The young world class motorsports talent from the states who go to Europe to hone their skills struggle due to the lack of sponsorship money. Even the drivers who could be F1 or WRC champions struggle over in Europe. The problem is that our own U.S. companies do not sponsor our drivers in Europe. There are many stories of top quality, young, U.S. talent, who go to Europe, but only to struggle w/no money, and give it up.
Whereas, if you look at the canadians, and brazilians who come to race in the states, or go to europe to race, they carry sponsorship money from their home countries, and those sponsorship dollars tend to stay with them through their careers.
In comparison, U.S. drivers have a hard enough time getting U.S. companies to stay on board for more than a couple of a seasons when they are racing here in the states! But when a U.S. driver goes to Europe, they become a fish out of water, cause they usually don't have enough sponsorship money in their pocket when they fly across the pond. So they start looking for it in Europe, where they know few people, and are foreigners competing against locals for local sponsorship money...
Is it not ironic that the new U.S. F1 driver search program which addresses these very problems by picking a hand full promising drivers and sponsoring them for a few seasons in Europe is [b][u]NOT funded by a U.S. company![/u][/b] The U.S. F1 drivers search is led by an [i]Austrian[/i] company, [b]Red Bull![/b]
My point is that the world class talent from the states does not have an opportunity to cultivate themselves in Europe so that they may be able to compete at the top levels of world motorsports. There is world class talent from the states who die on the vine...
[B]Bottom line America has second rate talent when it comes to racing, what was the last mahor championship won by an american? Probably Marios world title but seriously Alex Zanardi was blowing the doors off of people in CART and he he got his ass handed to him when he returned to F1...[/B][/QUOTE]Jacques Villeneuve made the same trip as Michael Andretti, and became world champion in his 2nd season of F1. Juan Pablo Montoya looks like he is also capable of winning a world championship F1.
The problem is not the quality of talent from the states... The young world class motorsports talent from the states who go to Europe to hone their skills struggle due to the lack of sponsorship money. Even the drivers who could be F1 or WRC champions struggle over in Europe. The problem is that our own U.S. companies do not sponsor our drivers in Europe. There are many stories of top quality, young, U.S. talent, who go to Europe, but only to struggle w/no money, and give it up.
Whereas, if you look at the canadians, and brazilians who come to race in the states, or go to europe to race, they carry sponsorship money from their home countries, and those sponsorship dollars tend to stay with them through their careers.
In comparison, U.S. drivers have a hard enough time getting U.S. companies to stay on board for more than a couple of a seasons when they are racing here in the states! But when a U.S. driver goes to Europe, they become a fish out of water, cause they usually don't have enough sponsorship money in their pocket when they fly across the pond. So they start looking for it in Europe, where they know few people, and are foreigners competing against locals for local sponsorship money...
Is it not ironic that the new U.S. F1 driver search program which addresses these very problems by picking a hand full promising drivers and sponsoring them for a few seasons in Europe is [b][u]NOT funded by a U.S. company![/u][/b] The U.S. F1 drivers search is led by an [i]Austrian[/i] company, [b]Red Bull![/b]
My point is that the world class talent from the states does not have an opportunity to cultivate themselves in Europe so that they may be able to compete at the top levels of world motorsports. There is world class talent from the states who die on the vine...
| Leonardo | 07-18-2002 12:05 PM |
Schumy is a wuzz!
This is what he had to said:
"For him, its probably easier to do that sort of thing between Ford and Jaguar because it's the same company. Truthfully, I have been interested in running a rally car in the past but I have to say that my level of interest in that is a bit down right now. But, maybe one day I'll do it, if it's in a safe place."
So:monkey:to him !
Go Montoya!
Leo
"For him, its probably easier to do that sort of thing between Ford and Jaguar because it's the same company. Truthfully, I have been interested in running a rally car in the past but I have to say that my level of interest in that is a bit down right now. But, maybe one day I'll do it, if it's in a safe place."
So:monkey:to him !
Go Montoya!
Leo
| gtguy | 07-18-2002 12:23 PM |
Re: Schumy is a wuzz!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Leonardo [/i]
[B]This is what he had to said:
"For him, its probably easier to do that sort of thing between Ford and Jaguar because it's the same company. Truthfully, I have been interested in running a rally car in the past but I have to say that my level of interest in that is a bit down right now. But, maybe one day I'll do it, if it's in a safe place."
So:monkey:to him !
Go Montoya!
Leo [/B][/QUOTE]
Sounds like Colin wants to run a Focus WRC car, and a Jaguar F1 car. Hell, I wouldn't want to drive a Jag F1 car either! :lol: If I were Schumacher, I wouldn't do it either. What's the point? It's a distraction from the chase for the World Championship (which Colin is now back in....just think if he hadn't hosed it off in the rally that escapes me now, where he crashed out of the lead). I could see it happening in the off season, so Colin might want to renew that challenge in a few months.
Plus, Schumacher's declining the challenge gives all the Schumi haters more fuel for their fires. :lol: :lol:
Kevin
[B]This is what he had to said:
"For him, its probably easier to do that sort of thing between Ford and Jaguar because it's the same company. Truthfully, I have been interested in running a rally car in the past but I have to say that my level of interest in that is a bit down right now. But, maybe one day I'll do it, if it's in a safe place."
So:monkey:to him !
Go Montoya!
Leo [/B][/QUOTE]
Sounds like Colin wants to run a Focus WRC car, and a Jaguar F1 car. Hell, I wouldn't want to drive a Jag F1 car either! :lol: If I were Schumacher, I wouldn't do it either. What's the point? It's a distraction from the chase for the World Championship (which Colin is now back in....just think if he hadn't hosed it off in the rally that escapes me now, where he crashed out of the lead). I could see it happening in the off season, so Colin might want to renew that challenge in a few months.
Plus, Schumacher's declining the challenge gives all the Schumi haters more fuel for their fires. :lol: :lol:
Kevin
| Red-Impreza | 07-18-2002 03:52 PM |
The initial idea is flawed. Of course, McRae would win the rally contest and Schumacher would win the F1 contest. Any other outcome would be a travesty for the loosing driver. And, you can't compare the loosing gaps across different forms of racing, it'd be meaningless and nobody'd ever except. it. It might still be a good charity stunt, but it would mean nothing.
[QUOTE]Why not throw one of those NASCAR guys in there, to create more appeal for US viewers? My guess is that the result would largely depend on how you weight the two (or three) different contests, but it sure sounds like a lot of fun.[/QUOTE] Actually, this is an excellent idea. It would allow you to break the tie fairly. You could still expect each driver to win his native event. However, the winner of the contest would be the driver who placed better in the two non-native forms. That is a true test. The only advantage then, would be that (like Jon said) a rally driver has more flexiblity built-in to his sport. (Although, with two of three events on pavement, we might be suprised.) The only thing we can all agree on is that the NASCAR driver would most likely be hosed.
:devil:
[QUOTE]Why not throw one of those NASCAR guys in there, to create more appeal for US viewers? My guess is that the result would largely depend on how you weight the two (or three) different contests, but it sure sounds like a lot of fun.[/QUOTE] Actually, this is an excellent idea. It would allow you to break the tie fairly. You could still expect each driver to win his native event. However, the winner of the contest would be the driver who placed better in the two non-native forms. That is a true test. The only advantage then, would be that (like Jon said) a rally driver has more flexiblity built-in to his sport. (Although, with two of three events on pavement, we might be suprised.) The only thing we can all agree on is that the NASCAR driver would most likely be hosed.
:devil:
| Fred Zaplitny | 07-18-2002 04:59 PM |
You See!!!!! Schumi IS a wuss!!!
Montoya would hand him his ass every race if they had equal cars.
Montoya would hand him his ass every race if they had equal cars.
| Rattler | 07-18-2002 05:01 PM |
This is a poll on wrc.com
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
McRae in a F1 car
Valentino Rossi on anything!
VOTE
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
21%
McRae in a F1 car
52%
Valentino Rossi on anything!
26%
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/Fun/Polls/PollView.htm[/url]
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
McRae in a F1 car
Valentino Rossi on anything!
VOTE
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
21%
McRae in a F1 car
52%
Valentino Rossi on anything!
26%
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/Fun/Polls/PollView.htm[/url]
| gtguy | 07-18-2002 05:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rattler [/i]
[B]This is a poll on wrc.com
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
McRae in a F1 car
Valentino Rossi on anything!
VOTE
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
21%
McRae in a F1 car
52%
Valentino Rossi on anything!
26%
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/Fun/Polls/PollView.htm[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, but the poll is on wrc.com...what else are they going to say? :lol:
And Fred, perhaps if Williams would ever get off their butts and design a better car, you would have an answer to that question, though I doubt it would be the one that you hope for. :D
Kevin
[B]This is a poll on wrc.com
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
McRae in a F1 car
Valentino Rossi on anything!
VOTE
POLL 20/07/2002
Who would be faster?
Schumacher in a WRCar
21%
McRae in a F1 car
52%
Valentino Rossi on anything!
26%
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/Fun/Polls/PollView.htm[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes, but the poll is on wrc.com...what else are they going to say? :lol:
And Fred, perhaps if Williams would ever get off their butts and design a better car, you would have an answer to that question, though I doubt it would be the one that you hope for. :D
Kevin
| Rattler | 07-18-2002 05:11 PM |
Maybe they can break out a PS2 and decide!:lol:
| Fred Zaplitny | 07-18-2002 05:32 PM |
I say give them equal IRL cars and let them take on Sarah Fisher! :lol:
| Tangmere | 07-18-2002 07:29 PM |
Rally drivers in F1 cars.
I seem to remember Burnsie doing a Carerra Cup race a couple of years back. He wasn't too competitive and finished with the car on its roof. And regarding the the rally driver who tested an F1, I think it was Henri Toivonen. He drove an Alfa F1 car (I think) and would've qualified mid pack in the previous year's F1 grid.
Mark
Mark
| OnTheGas | 07-25-2002 10:51 PM |
Heinz-Harald Frentzen to Try Rallying?
[url]http://www.speedvision.com/auto/?lvl=3a&cat=21&id=2514[/url]
[quote][i]From the SPEED Channel staff at Nevers, France on July 22[/i]
[b] While five-time Formula 1 World Champion Michael Schumacher was lukewarm about taking up Colin McRae's recent half-serious challenge to swap cars, countryman Heinz-Harald Frentzen pronounced himself eager to try out a rally racer.
Frentzen, sidelined in the French Grand Prix at Magny-Cours by his Arrows team's financial problems said: "The idea was first mentioned to me by RTL - the German media channel - who thought it might be nice for their coverage. There was talk about doing something before Hockenheim [next weekend], but I'd quite like to have a proper go.
"When I thought about it, the logical thing is to do something with Ford, because there would be no clash of interest. I've spoken to Martin Whitaker at Ford and they have some proper facilities in Wales, so I'm hopeful that we can do something, although I'm not sure when."
Frentzen explained that a neighbor in Monaco contests the European rally championship and that they regularly discuss differences in driving technique.
"Grip levels are obviously different on pavement and gravel," he said, "so there are a lot of interesting implications for steering and braking techniques. I think it would be interesting to be able to go so sideways without losing time!"[/b][/quote]
[url]http://www.speedvision.com/auto/?lvl=3a&cat=21&id=2514[/url]
[IMG]http://www.speedvision.com/_assets/img/photo/RN_2514_0.jpg[/IMG]
[quote][i]From the SPEED Channel staff at Nevers, France on July 22[/i]
[b] While five-time Formula 1 World Champion Michael Schumacher was lukewarm about taking up Colin McRae's recent half-serious challenge to swap cars, countryman Heinz-Harald Frentzen pronounced himself eager to try out a rally racer.
Frentzen, sidelined in the French Grand Prix at Magny-Cours by his Arrows team's financial problems said: "The idea was first mentioned to me by RTL - the German media channel - who thought it might be nice for their coverage. There was talk about doing something before Hockenheim [next weekend], but I'd quite like to have a proper go.
"When I thought about it, the logical thing is to do something with Ford, because there would be no clash of interest. I've spoken to Martin Whitaker at Ford and they have some proper facilities in Wales, so I'm hopeful that we can do something, although I'm not sure when."
Frentzen explained that a neighbor in Monaco contests the European rally championship and that they regularly discuss differences in driving technique.
"Grip levels are obviously different on pavement and gravel," he said, "so there are a lot of interesting implications for steering and braking techniques. I think it would be interesting to be able to go so sideways without losing time!"[/b][/quote]
[url]http://www.speedvision.com/auto/?lvl=3a&cat=21&id=2514[/url]
[IMG]http://www.speedvision.com/_assets/img/photo/RN_2514_0.jpg[/IMG]
| HIHO | 07-25-2002 11:48 PM |
Yeah, but who has the better sponser?
Say what you want but they are all good drivers. Yes even NASCAR. I am not a fan of NASCAR but I can watch the Dayton and Bristol races. Those are the two that prove it to me.
Say what you want but they are all good drivers. Yes even NASCAR. I am not a fan of NASCAR but I can watch the Dayton and Bristol races. Those are the two that prove it to me.
| Rattler | 07-26-2002 11:13 AM |
My buddy said he dominated over a KX250 with his ProTruck a few years ago jumping at Glamis too.:D
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