| Raxy | 11-23-2003 05:08 AM |
New Lancer WRC
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[url]http://www.motorspor.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=haberler.habergoster&haber_id=760[/url]
Looks like it's using the regular Lancer shell, as opposed to the Evo shell. :confused:
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_01b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_02b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_03b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_04b.jpg[/IMG]
Pictures from here: [url]http://www.fullboost.com.au/temp_01.html[/url]
Looks like it's using the regular Lancer shell, as opposed to the Evo shell. :confused:
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_01b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_02b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_03b.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.fullboost.com.au/images/temp/wrc04/wrc04_04b.jpg[/IMG]
Pictures from here: [url]http://www.fullboost.com.au/temp_01.html[/url]
| mykrrrr | 11-23-2003 07:45 AM |
EVO = Lancer. Same shell.
I wanna call BS on the rear wing. Looks like they PS'd the206 wing on it and the rear wheelwells don't look right. :confused:
-mykr.
I wanna call BS on the rear wing. Looks like they PS'd the206 wing on it and the rear wheelwells don't look right. :confused:
-mykr.
| SilverBoosted | 11-23-2003 09:37 AM |
I agree Its a bad P.S. job........
| Dr. WOT | 11-23-2003 01:48 PM |
Could be a chop, the front wheel wells don't exactly look the same in all pictures either. Also, I can't find pics anywhere else besides that link. However, it could just be a crappy jpg distoring the image.
Assuming it is a real picture, that wing in strange to say the least. Subaru is trying to push their wing as far back as possible, while this is the other extreme. Obviously they would have tested it in the wind tunnel so is they had a reason for putting it there.
I REALLY hope that the Mitsubishi is a strong contender next year... WRC needs teams right now.
Assuming it is a real picture, that wing in strange to say the least. Subaru is trying to push their wing as far back as possible, while this is the other extreme. Obviously they would have tested it in the wind tunnel so is they had a reason for putting it there.
I REALLY hope that the Mitsubishi is a strong contender next year... WRC needs teams right now.
| sha_zapple | 11-23-2003 02:14 PM |
Thats a damn ugly wing.
Im glad to see Mitsubishi coming back though. Will they be back in the beginning or the middle of the 2004 season?
Im glad to see Mitsubishi coming back though. Will they be back in the beginning or the middle of the 2004 season?
| Raxy | 11-23-2003 02:16 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mykrrrr [/i]
[B]EVO = Lancer. Same shell.[/B][/QUOTE]
Besides the small variances in size, I'm referring to the details such as the headlights and tailights. Also the front fender flares look like they've been slapped onto a regular Lancer front end. Actually the more I look at it, the more I see an Evo rear portion, with the integrated fender flares and a regular Lancer front end with added fender flares.
[IMG]http://www.lancerevoclub.org/news/full/lancerwrc04_.jpg[/IMG]
[B]EVO = Lancer. Same shell.[/B][/QUOTE]
Besides the small variances in size, I'm referring to the details such as the headlights and tailights. Also the front fender flares look like they've been slapped onto a regular Lancer front end. Actually the more I look at it, the more I see an Evo rear portion, with the integrated fender flares and a regular Lancer front end with added fender flares.
[IMG]http://www.lancerevoclub.org/news/full/lancerwrc04_.jpg[/IMG]
| johnfelstead | 11-23-2003 02:44 PM |
That is a 100% computer generated mock up by someone who knows very little about WRC car design. There is no way that thing is the new Lancer WRC, way too many details completely wrong.
| MattDell | 11-23-2003 02:59 PM |
Looks like ass! :eek:
-Matt
-Matt
| Raxy | 11-23-2003 03:32 PM |
Gilles Panizzi happy with new Mitsubishi:
[QUOTE]Gilles Panizzi says that the all-new Mitsubishi Lancer WRC is better than the Peugeot 206 was in its early stages of development.
Panizzi, who has signed a three-year contract with Mitsubishi, tried the new Lancer WRC for the first time earlier this week in Wales. He completed two days of running on gravel in the Sweet Lamb complex, a former stage of the Rally Great Britain.
He said: "I cannot compare the Peugeot as it is now with the Mitsubishi, but if I think back to how the Peugeot was when it was totally new, this is better. We've done two days of running without a single mechanical problem, which is fantastic. OK, some small things have broken but nothing serious. When the Peugeot was new, we were breaking things all the time."
The new car has very little in common with Mitsubishi's last World Rally Car, the Lancer Evo WRC Step 2 - which had its last outing as a works entry on the 2002 Rally Great Britain. Since then, Mitsubishi have had a sabbatical year designing a new car under the leadership of newly-appointed technical chief Mario Fornaris.
Fornaris, who worked with Panizzi at Peugeot, said: "We started with a blank sheet of paper. The bodyshell is the thing that has most in common with the old car, but even that is quite different now. Mechanically, the car is all new. It's a proper World Rally Car, that has nothing to do with the old Group A car."
The new car features improved aerodynamics, cooling and weight distribution. A new drivetrain has replaced the idiosyncratic transmission system that Mitsubishi has relied on in previous years. The interior looks like a touring car, with the driver seated low down and well back in the bodyshell.
"Straight away I had a good feeling when I drove it," said Panizzi. "It felt very balanced and extremely easy to drive. I didn't have to fight the car at all: it's been born very well. It's difficult to say what the real performance is, because this car is still very new and we were using the wrong shock absorbers. Our first tests are all about getting a feel for the car and looking for any problems, not going quickly. But I feel very optimistic. On some other cars, using the wrong shock absorbers would make the car undriveable. With this car, you just get in and drive."
Panizzi will share the development work with the team's trusted test driver, Lasse Lampi. The Frenchman effectively becomes Mitsubishi's lead driver, as his young team mates Kristian Sohlberg, Gigi Galli and Daniel Sola have very little WRC car experience. Panizzi will drive on every round next year, while the other three drivers will share the second car. Galli will be Panizzi's team mate on the first round, in Monte Carlo.
Panizzi's co-driving brother Herve commented: "This is going to be the busiest period in our professional life. I can see that Gilles is incredibly motivated. A full season in a factory car is everything he's ever wanted and Mitsubishi were equally keen to have him. We've got to be realistic, but Gilles and I are incredibly impressed by everybody's determination to succeed."
Mitsubishi will carry out more testing in Britain before moving to the French alps for a Monte Carlo test in mid-December.
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_GB-panizzihappywithmitsubishi.htm[/url]
[QUOTE]Gilles Panizzi says that the all-new Mitsubishi Lancer WRC is better than the Peugeot 206 was in its early stages of development.
Panizzi, who has signed a three-year contract with Mitsubishi, tried the new Lancer WRC for the first time earlier this week in Wales. He completed two days of running on gravel in the Sweet Lamb complex, a former stage of the Rally Great Britain.
He said: "I cannot compare the Peugeot as it is now with the Mitsubishi, but if I think back to how the Peugeot was when it was totally new, this is better. We've done two days of running without a single mechanical problem, which is fantastic. OK, some small things have broken but nothing serious. When the Peugeot was new, we were breaking things all the time."
The new car has very little in common with Mitsubishi's last World Rally Car, the Lancer Evo WRC Step 2 - which had its last outing as a works entry on the 2002 Rally Great Britain. Since then, Mitsubishi have had a sabbatical year designing a new car under the leadership of newly-appointed technical chief Mario Fornaris.
Fornaris, who worked with Panizzi at Peugeot, said: "We started with a blank sheet of paper. The bodyshell is the thing that has most in common with the old car, but even that is quite different now. Mechanically, the car is all new. It's a proper World Rally Car, that has nothing to do with the old Group A car."
The new car features improved aerodynamics, cooling and weight distribution. A new drivetrain has replaced the idiosyncratic transmission system that Mitsubishi has relied on in previous years. The interior looks like a touring car, with the driver seated low down and well back in the bodyshell.
"Straight away I had a good feeling when I drove it," said Panizzi. "It felt very balanced and extremely easy to drive. I didn't have to fight the car at all: it's been born very well. It's difficult to say what the real performance is, because this car is still very new and we were using the wrong shock absorbers. Our first tests are all about getting a feel for the car and looking for any problems, not going quickly. But I feel very optimistic. On some other cars, using the wrong shock absorbers would make the car undriveable. With this car, you just get in and drive."
Panizzi will share the development work with the team's trusted test driver, Lasse Lampi. The Frenchman effectively becomes Mitsubishi's lead driver, as his young team mates Kristian Sohlberg, Gigi Galli and Daniel Sola have very little WRC car experience. Panizzi will drive on every round next year, while the other three drivers will share the second car. Galli will be Panizzi's team mate on the first round, in Monte Carlo.
Panizzi's co-driving brother Herve commented: "This is going to be the busiest period in our professional life. I can see that Gilles is incredibly motivated. A full season in a factory car is everything he's ever wanted and Mitsubishi were equally keen to have him. We've got to be realistic, but Gilles and I are incredibly impressed by everybody's determination to succeed."
Mitsubishi will carry out more testing in Britain before moving to the French alps for a Monte Carlo test in mid-December.
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_GB-panizzihappywithmitsubishi.htm[/url]
| WRXedUSA | 11-23-2003 04:10 PM |
Looks pretty close to the pic of the car being tested above.
Those fender flares are hideous. I wonder when that wing makes it to the street car.
Those fender flares are hideous. I wonder when that wing makes it to the street car.
| Lightning Jack | 11-23-2003 04:13 PM |
that wing hahaha worse than our new one:o
| Sauceboy01 | 11-23-2003 04:39 PM |
so let's see some other pics guys
-danny
-danny
| NC2.5RS | 11-23-2003 04:45 PM |
That looks way too photoshopped.
| BlackBeastie | 11-24-2003 03:27 AM |
While reading that article all I can hear is Panizzi saying "eh, eh, fahntahsteek".
| mykrrrr | 11-24-2003 10:00 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Raxy [/i]
[B]Besides the small variances in size, I'm referring to the details such as the headlights and tailights. Also the front fender flares look like they've been slapped onto a regular Lancer front end. Actually the more I look at it, the more I see an Evo rear portion, with the integrated fender flares and a regular Lancer front end with added fender flares.[/B][/QUOTE]
What I'm saying is that the Lancer and the Lancer EVO are the same shell. The new LAN EVO 9 will come w/the larger headlamps like the '04 Lancer Ralliart/Sportwagon. The EVO 7/8 shell will be replaced by the 9 by next year in other parts of the world.
It's basically the same thing but with different styling cues.
The fender flares can be added by WRC rules to accomidate the wider track that WRC cars are allowed to run. They do look slapped on as opposed to the Impreza WRC's sculpted fenders.
-mykr.
[B]Besides the small variances in size, I'm referring to the details such as the headlights and tailights. Also the front fender flares look like they've been slapped onto a regular Lancer front end. Actually the more I look at it, the more I see an Evo rear portion, with the integrated fender flares and a regular Lancer front end with added fender flares.[/B][/QUOTE]
What I'm saying is that the Lancer and the Lancer EVO are the same shell. The new LAN EVO 9 will come w/the larger headlamps like the '04 Lancer Ralliart/Sportwagon. The EVO 7/8 shell will be replaced by the 9 by next year in other parts of the world.
It's basically the same thing but with different styling cues.
The fender flares can be added by WRC rules to accomidate the wider track that WRC cars are allowed to run. They do look slapped on as opposed to the Impreza WRC's sculpted fenders.
-mykr.
| cvalle-sd | 11-24-2003 10:15 AM |
I like the wing - maybe because it's different. I know it can't extend outside the front/rear or top-down silhouette of the car, but I'd think that location would keep it too far outside the airflow to be effective. it's just kind of tucked away in that turbulent area right behind the rear glass.
Keep in mind that Ralliart (as the name implies) knows what the hell they're doing. They were serious competitors in the 90s, and it's only been the last 3 years that they've lost their way. If a speed freak like Panizzi says it's a good car, ugly or not, I'm inclined to believe him.
Keep in mind that Ralliart (as the name implies) knows what the hell they're doing. They were serious competitors in the 90s, and it's only been the last 3 years that they've lost their way. If a speed freak like Panizzi says it's a good car, ugly or not, I'm inclined to believe him.
| Craig W | 11-24-2003 01:29 PM |
The position of the rear wing on the trunk in the profile shot doesn't make sense. It would make it difficult to open the trunk to get to the spare, tools, etc. Plus, by pushing the wing as far back as possible, you get the most possible downward force on the rear wheels. That's why Subaru's wing extends as far back past the trunk as allowed by the WRC regulations.
| scobaru | 11-25-2003 01:49 AM |
kinda sorta looks like a ralliart edition withsome extra stuff
| Kostamojen | 11-25-2003 02:11 AM |
I like it (sans the spoiler) looks more hardcore, more EVO III ish.
| LotusDriftx | 11-25-2003 09:11 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Craig W[/i]
[B] The position of the rear wing on the trunk in the profile shot doesn't make sense. It would make it difficult to open the trunk to get to the spare, tools, etc. Plus, by pushing the wing as far back as possible, you get the most possible downward force on the rear wheels. That's why Subaru's wing extends as far back past the trunk as allowed by the WRC regulations. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ya but maybe it has something to do with the way the air is pooling off the back of the car. It seems possible that due to the aerodynamics of the backend, they would generate more downforce closer to back window, even though in theory I completely agree with what you said...just taking a stab in the dark.
[B] The position of the rear wing on the trunk in the profile shot doesn't make sense. It would make it difficult to open the trunk to get to the spare, tools, etc. Plus, by pushing the wing as far back as possible, you get the most possible downward force on the rear wheels. That's why Subaru's wing extends as far back past the trunk as allowed by the WRC regulations. [/B][/QUOTE]
Ya but maybe it has something to do with the way the air is pooling off the back of the car. It seems possible that due to the aerodynamics of the backend, they would generate more downforce closer to back window, even though in theory I completely agree with what you said...just taking a stab in the dark.
| Raxy | 11-26-2003 12:37 AM |
Looks like that wing is for real... :huh:
[QUOTE]Let the lusting begin. Here's Mitsubishi's new Lancer World Rally Championship car -- the WRC04 ... and the new blueprint for the street Lancer customising brigade worldwide. And, yes, the new two-tier rear wing is that far forward.
The car itself will compete in all 16 rounds of the 2004 WRC. The inevitable customised road-going clones -- or partial look-alikes -- and Evo wannabe versions will follow ... although with scaled-down street versions of that high-rise, tabletop wing that's now parked just behind the rear windscreen.
The real-thing Lancer Evo VIII (based on this year's WRC car) arrives here next March, and the Evo IX -- which obviously will take its styling cues from the WRC04 -- should be unveiled early next year.
Mitsubishi hopes to bring its Evo cars here -- starting with the Evo VIII -- under low-volume rules, meaning it can sell only 100 cars a year. And there's even talk of homologating the Evo for full-time sale in Australia. Should that happen, the Evo IX could be the flagship for Mitsubishi's Australian Lancer line-up by 2005.
However, the real Evos should carry pricetags around $60,000 or more. The Lancer customisers obviously will hope to build their cars for a lot less.
But neither the modified street cars nor the real Evos will have the rally-spec version of the turbocharged 2-litre 4G63 double overhead camshaft four-cylinder engine that powers both the WRC04 and the 2003 WRC cars. That engine develops 290kW of power at 5500rpm and 540Nm of torque at just 3500rpm. And the new rally weapon weighs just 1230kg.
The 4GS63-type turbo 2-litre in the US-spec Evo VIII launched early this year was tweaked to suit Californian LEV1-LEV emission regulations and to suit US fuel octane levels. Maximum power is said to be a still-considerable 202kW at 6500rpm.
The outrageous aerodynamic aids on the new WRC car were designed after Mitsubishi's motorsport division spent almost three weeks in the Lola racing team's wind tunnel. The results include a redesigned bonnet, nose and, of course, that incredible rear wing. And the designers are said to have reached an ultra-effective combination of downforce and essential underbonnet cooling.
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.drive.com.au/news/article.asp?article=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/general/2003/11/26/FFXNG4P7GND.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Let the lusting begin. Here's Mitsubishi's new Lancer World Rally Championship car -- the WRC04 ... and the new blueprint for the street Lancer customising brigade worldwide. And, yes, the new two-tier rear wing is that far forward.
The car itself will compete in all 16 rounds of the 2004 WRC. The inevitable customised road-going clones -- or partial look-alikes -- and Evo wannabe versions will follow ... although with scaled-down street versions of that high-rise, tabletop wing that's now parked just behind the rear windscreen.
The real-thing Lancer Evo VIII (based on this year's WRC car) arrives here next March, and the Evo IX -- which obviously will take its styling cues from the WRC04 -- should be unveiled early next year.
Mitsubishi hopes to bring its Evo cars here -- starting with the Evo VIII -- under low-volume rules, meaning it can sell only 100 cars a year. And there's even talk of homologating the Evo for full-time sale in Australia. Should that happen, the Evo IX could be the flagship for Mitsubishi's Australian Lancer line-up by 2005.
However, the real Evos should carry pricetags around $60,000 or more. The Lancer customisers obviously will hope to build their cars for a lot less.
But neither the modified street cars nor the real Evos will have the rally-spec version of the turbocharged 2-litre 4G63 double overhead camshaft four-cylinder engine that powers both the WRC04 and the 2003 WRC cars. That engine develops 290kW of power at 5500rpm and 540Nm of torque at just 3500rpm. And the new rally weapon weighs just 1230kg.
The 4GS63-type turbo 2-litre in the US-spec Evo VIII launched early this year was tweaked to suit Californian LEV1-LEV emission regulations and to suit US fuel octane levels. Maximum power is said to be a still-considerable 202kW at 6500rpm.
The outrageous aerodynamic aids on the new WRC car were designed after Mitsubishi's motorsport division spent almost three weeks in the Lola racing team's wind tunnel. The results include a redesigned bonnet, nose and, of course, that incredible rear wing. And the designers are said to have reached an ultra-effective combination of downforce and essential underbonnet cooling.
[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.drive.com.au/news/article.asp?article=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/news/general/2003/11/26/FFXNG4P7GND.html[/url]
| johnfelstead | 11-26-2003 07:03 AM |
I'll believe it when i see it.
| rsquire_downunder | 11-26-2003 08:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]I'll believe it when i see it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Then you won't want to be checking out [url]www.ralliart.com.au[/url]
As strange as that rear wing seems and as photoshopped as the pics look...
They are what Ralliart in OZ is showing as the next WRC car..
Strange but true ;) :D :D
Extract from the Ralliart Site..
[quote]
Trebur, November 2003 - Mitsubishi Motors motor sports subsidiary, MMSP, unveils the car that will spearhead its 2004 FIA World Rally Championship campaign, the Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04. A completely fresh design, the new car forms an integral part of a meticulously conceived long-term plan to build on MMSP's distinguished record in the World Rally Championship. It will compete on all 16 rounds of the series.
World Rally Car rules demand that the competition car is derived from a family of showroom cars, made in quantities of at least 25,000 per year. The Lancer WRC04 is therefore based on the standard Lancer, but as its dramatic appearance indicates, it has little in common with previous Mitsubishi World Rally Cars. Once again, it draws on Mitsubishi Motors' worldwide resources, combining Japanese and European capabilities, but it reflects a fresh design strategy and has been created by a new, youthful engineering team. The project has been overseen by MMSP Limited Managing Director, Mario Fornaris at MMSP's base in Rugby, in Great Britain.
MMSP will treat the 2004 season as a learning process, in which it creates a car and a driving team ready for success in the years ahead. For that reason, it has gone back to first principles to create a Lancer World Rally Car that is a sound basis for a rally winner in all conditions. 2004 will be an exercise first and foremost in laying the foundations for future success.
''The car is quite different from our previous World Rally Car. We have made something like 6,000 new parts. We have taken advantage of the freedom permitted by the World Rally Car regulations, but my philosophy is to do very simple things and to have a good understanding of the car before we introduce more advanced systems.'' Fornaris explained.
The Lancer WRC04's appearance reflects the increasing importance of aerodynamics in World Championship rallying. MMSP spent almost three weeks testing in the Lola racing team's wind tunnel, re-designing the bonnet, along with the front and rear wings, as well as the rear aerofoil. The first priority was to gain more downforce, but close attention was also paid to airflow through the engine bay to maximise cooling. It is a perfect illustration of the strenuous yet conflicting demands that the World Rally Championship imposes. Downforce is a vital element of a competitive car on high-speed rallies, but good cooling is a key requirement on a turbocharged rally car, as the ambient temperature on rallies can exceed 30 degrees Celsius and it is often highest on the rallies held at the lowest average speeds. Airflow beneath the car was also considered.
In designing the chassis, the emphasis has been not just on good handling, but on strength, simplicity and ease of maintenance. The car uses MacPherson strut suspension all round. It is a robust system and to make servicing straightforward, components are often interchangeable not only front and rear, but left to right as well. Most suspension components will be made of steel, to ensure reliability. The Lancer WRC04 will use specially modified Ohlins dampers, like its recent predecessors, building on a fruitful past relationship. The steering rack and crossmembers are also new designs, partly because the engine has been relocated, tilted 20 degrees rearwards to improve weight distribution.
The 16-valve, twin-cam, two-litre engine belongs to the 4G6 family used so successfully in previous Lancers. It employs the well proven cast iron block and an aluminium alloy cylinder head, but it has also benefited from significant alteration. First and foremost, it is based on the version of the engine fitted to the new and highly popular Lancer Evo VIII showroom car, but with a new turbocharger, fitted with the regulation 34-millimetre intake restrictor, new intake and exhaust manifolds, and new internals. Although the bore and stroke remain unchanged, the crankshaft, connecting rods and pistons have been lightened and the electronic management systems are new. MMSP has turned to Magneti Marelli to supply its electronics for the first time, using an advanced engine management package that doesn't rely on fuses or circuit breakers. There are two control units, one for the engine and one for the chassis. As the system is fully integrated, each is capable of controlling all electronic functions throughout the car. The system saves weight and enhances reliability.
The transmission also reflects MMSP's new strategy and has nothing in common with the four-wheel-drive systems used on previous Lancers. The 2004 car will use a transversely mounted five-speed gearbox supplied by Ricardo. The gearchange will be manual and all three differentials will be passive, an epicyclic centre differential splitting torque front to rear. The front and rear differentials will also operate on mechanical principles.
''With the current regulations in the World Rally Championship, because the engines have quite small restrictors, the power curve and the torque are so good that it makes it possible to use a five-speed. Why have six gears when you can have five? We will analyse different possibilities as we develop the car and will introduce new features as necessary.'' Fornaris explained.
The decision to use passive differentials is unusual, but reflects MMSP's determination to ensure that the chassis is fundamentally sound and effective before introducing refinements. A semi-automatic gearchange is likely to be developed during 2004, once MMSP is satisfied that the Lancer WRC04 is living up to its potential, in terms of both performance and durability. Active differentials are also under consideration, but are not an immediate priority.
Brembo will supply brakes and once again, MMSP is placing the accent on simplicity. The braking system will not incorporate water cooling initially.
The Lancer WRC04 began testing in mid-October and will undergo a comprehensive development programme in readiness for its first appearance on the 2004 Monte Carlo Rally, when French star Gilles Panizzi leads an all-new driving team. In its first three months, the new Mitsubishi will face tarmac and ice in Monte Carlo, snow in Sweden, and dusty loose-surface stages in Mexico.
''We are not expecting too much from the car at first. At the moment, it is too early to say anything about performance. It is very new and we have had very little time to design and test it. We can expect a few problems in the test period, as you would with any prototype car, because the test schedule is very tight. The idea was to do something quite simple to start with. We know we have plenty of things to learn. I hope it will be a little bit faster than the old car at first. We will try to develop the car step by step and I hope in the second half of the season that the car will become more competitive. We can make progress faster this way, but we are not expecting instant results. We are competing in a tough environment.'' Fornaris stated.
New Lancer WRC04
[/quote]
[B]I'll believe it when i see it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Then you won't want to be checking out [url]www.ralliart.com.au[/url]
As strange as that rear wing seems and as photoshopped as the pics look...
They are what Ralliart in OZ is showing as the next WRC car..
Strange but true ;) :D :D
Extract from the Ralliart Site..
[quote]
Trebur, November 2003 - Mitsubishi Motors motor sports subsidiary, MMSP, unveils the car that will spearhead its 2004 FIA World Rally Championship campaign, the Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04. A completely fresh design, the new car forms an integral part of a meticulously conceived long-term plan to build on MMSP's distinguished record in the World Rally Championship. It will compete on all 16 rounds of the series.
World Rally Car rules demand that the competition car is derived from a family of showroom cars, made in quantities of at least 25,000 per year. The Lancer WRC04 is therefore based on the standard Lancer, but as its dramatic appearance indicates, it has little in common with previous Mitsubishi World Rally Cars. Once again, it draws on Mitsubishi Motors' worldwide resources, combining Japanese and European capabilities, but it reflects a fresh design strategy and has been created by a new, youthful engineering team. The project has been overseen by MMSP Limited Managing Director, Mario Fornaris at MMSP's base in Rugby, in Great Britain.
MMSP will treat the 2004 season as a learning process, in which it creates a car and a driving team ready for success in the years ahead. For that reason, it has gone back to first principles to create a Lancer World Rally Car that is a sound basis for a rally winner in all conditions. 2004 will be an exercise first and foremost in laying the foundations for future success.
''The car is quite different from our previous World Rally Car. We have made something like 6,000 new parts. We have taken advantage of the freedom permitted by the World Rally Car regulations, but my philosophy is to do very simple things and to have a good understanding of the car before we introduce more advanced systems.'' Fornaris explained.
The Lancer WRC04's appearance reflects the increasing importance of aerodynamics in World Championship rallying. MMSP spent almost three weeks testing in the Lola racing team's wind tunnel, re-designing the bonnet, along with the front and rear wings, as well as the rear aerofoil. The first priority was to gain more downforce, but close attention was also paid to airflow through the engine bay to maximise cooling. It is a perfect illustration of the strenuous yet conflicting demands that the World Rally Championship imposes. Downforce is a vital element of a competitive car on high-speed rallies, but good cooling is a key requirement on a turbocharged rally car, as the ambient temperature on rallies can exceed 30 degrees Celsius and it is often highest on the rallies held at the lowest average speeds. Airflow beneath the car was also considered.
In designing the chassis, the emphasis has been not just on good handling, but on strength, simplicity and ease of maintenance. The car uses MacPherson strut suspension all round. It is a robust system and to make servicing straightforward, components are often interchangeable not only front and rear, but left to right as well. Most suspension components will be made of steel, to ensure reliability. The Lancer WRC04 will use specially modified Ohlins dampers, like its recent predecessors, building on a fruitful past relationship. The steering rack and crossmembers are also new designs, partly because the engine has been relocated, tilted 20 degrees rearwards to improve weight distribution.
The 16-valve, twin-cam, two-litre engine belongs to the 4G6 family used so successfully in previous Lancers. It employs the well proven cast iron block and an aluminium alloy cylinder head, but it has also benefited from significant alteration. First and foremost, it is based on the version of the engine fitted to the new and highly popular Lancer Evo VIII showroom car, but with a new turbocharger, fitted with the regulation 34-millimetre intake restrictor, new intake and exhaust manifolds, and new internals. Although the bore and stroke remain unchanged, the crankshaft, connecting rods and pistons have been lightened and the electronic management systems are new. MMSP has turned to Magneti Marelli to supply its electronics for the first time, using an advanced engine management package that doesn't rely on fuses or circuit breakers. There are two control units, one for the engine and one for the chassis. As the system is fully integrated, each is capable of controlling all electronic functions throughout the car. The system saves weight and enhances reliability.
The transmission also reflects MMSP's new strategy and has nothing in common with the four-wheel-drive systems used on previous Lancers. The 2004 car will use a transversely mounted five-speed gearbox supplied by Ricardo. The gearchange will be manual and all three differentials will be passive, an epicyclic centre differential splitting torque front to rear. The front and rear differentials will also operate on mechanical principles.
''With the current regulations in the World Rally Championship, because the engines have quite small restrictors, the power curve and the torque are so good that it makes it possible to use a five-speed. Why have six gears when you can have five? We will analyse different possibilities as we develop the car and will introduce new features as necessary.'' Fornaris explained.
The decision to use passive differentials is unusual, but reflects MMSP's determination to ensure that the chassis is fundamentally sound and effective before introducing refinements. A semi-automatic gearchange is likely to be developed during 2004, once MMSP is satisfied that the Lancer WRC04 is living up to its potential, in terms of both performance and durability. Active differentials are also under consideration, but are not an immediate priority.
Brembo will supply brakes and once again, MMSP is placing the accent on simplicity. The braking system will not incorporate water cooling initially.
The Lancer WRC04 began testing in mid-October and will undergo a comprehensive development programme in readiness for its first appearance on the 2004 Monte Carlo Rally, when French star Gilles Panizzi leads an all-new driving team. In its first three months, the new Mitsubishi will face tarmac and ice in Monte Carlo, snow in Sweden, and dusty loose-surface stages in Mexico.
''We are not expecting too much from the car at first. At the moment, it is too early to say anything about performance. It is very new and we have had very little time to design and test it. We can expect a few problems in the test period, as you would with any prototype car, because the test schedule is very tight. The idea was to do something quite simple to start with. We know we have plenty of things to learn. I hope it will be a little bit faster than the old car at first. We will try to develop the car step by step and I hope in the second half of the season that the car will become more competitive. We can make progress faster this way, but we are not expecting instant results. We are competing in a tough environment.'' Fornaris stated.
New Lancer WRC04
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| Raxy | 11-26-2003 08:46 PM |
Great info rsquire_downunder. :)
Here's another link posted over at evolutionm.net:
[URL=http://www.umsl.edu/~s1022723/media/Rallysport News On-line - Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04 World Rally Car.pdf]PDF File[/URL]
Here's another link posted over at evolutionm.net:
[URL=http://www.umsl.edu/~s1022723/media/Rallysport News On-line - Mitsubishi Lancer WRC04 World Rally Car.pdf]PDF File[/URL]
| sybir | 11-26-2003 08:59 PM |
Weird. I know it's just a teaser photo, but that's also a helluva lot of wheel gap and ride height considering that it's on tarmac wheels.
Hmmmmmmm.
I'm still curious about the wing :)
Hmmmmmmm.
I'm still curious about the wing :)
| johnfelstead | 11-26-2003 09:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rsquire_downunder [/i]
[B]Then you won't want to be checking out [url]www.ralliart.com.au[/url][/B][/QUOTE]
Richard, where does saying i'll believe it when i see it mean i dont want to see it? :confused:;)
The car isnt launched until the Essen Motorshow, which starts on the 28th. So untill then the final shape is still speculation. ;)
If it does indeed look like that, then my god its ugly. :D I predict a rearmost mounted wing as a first step homologation. :lol:
[B]Then you won't want to be checking out [url]www.ralliart.com.au[/url][/B][/QUOTE]
Richard, where does saying i'll believe it when i see it mean i dont want to see it? :confused:;)
The car isnt launched until the Essen Motorshow, which starts on the 28th. So untill then the final shape is still speculation. ;)
If it does indeed look like that, then my god its ugly. :D I predict a rearmost mounted wing as a first step homologation. :lol:
| BlackAndBlue | 11-26-2003 10:54 PM |
:huh: i think im gonna be sick....:o
| Raxy | 11-27-2003 01:31 AM |
I updated my original post with MUCH better quality pictures. :)
| SpeedRacerWRX02 | 11-27-2003 03:15 AM |
why is solberg's name on the car :huh:
| MattDell | 11-27-2003 03:40 AM |
That's Kristian Sohlberg, with an H. ;)
[url]http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/031010/230/easnf.html[/url]
-Matt
[url]http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/031010/230/easnf.html[/url]
-Matt
| rsquire_downunder | 11-27-2003 08:35 AM |
John
I agree.. uglier than an ugly thing being ugly :lol: :lol:
[quote]MMSP spent almost three weeks testing in the Lola racing team's wind tunnel, re-designing the bonnet, along with the front and rear wings, as well as the rear aerofoil.[/quote]
maybe they should have spent four weeks there and got the rear wing right :lol: :lol:
Must admit it's a very strange looking position for the rear *cough* aerofoil :rolleyes:
Richard
I agree.. uglier than an ugly thing being ugly :lol: :lol:
[quote]MMSP spent almost three weeks testing in the Lola racing team's wind tunnel, re-designing the bonnet, along with the front and rear wings, as well as the rear aerofoil.[/quote]
maybe they should have spent four weeks there and got the rear wing right :lol: :lol:
Must admit it's a very strange looking position for the rear *cough* aerofoil :rolleyes:
Richard
| shrieden | 11-27-2003 03:30 PM |
Unfortunalty the ugly thing is official, here is a link to the motorsport gallery on the official mitsu website :( ugly thing!
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04wrc/photo.html[/url]
And here is a link to the 'explanation of the new car"
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04wrc/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04wrc/photo.html[/url]
And here is a link to the 'explanation of the new car"
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04wrc/index.html[/url]
| hyp36rmax | 11-27-2003 08:07 PM |
intersting news, based upon the base lancer, with the internals of an EVO, this will be interesting, good show for mitsubishi, next season will be a killer, lets see what happens when subaru's rivals return.....
| Seeing StaRS | 11-27-2003 11:45 PM |
Um yeah thats the real deal fugly car. The same photo is running on wrc.com
story
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_GB_LancerWRC04launched.htm[/url]
story
[url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2003/016/2003_R_GB_LancerWRC04launched.htm[/url]
| aspera | 11-27-2003 11:47 PM |
I find it interesting how Mitsu tucked the lower wing right up against the rear glass. It looks like it seals the bottom part of the rear window off from the airflow completely. That smells of using the rules to redesign the shape of the rear window (as far as the air passing over it is concerned). The car might be able to rotate better without a wing hanging off the back of the trunk. Who knows exactly why they did what they did.
The front wheel wells look like they are being used to bleed off air trapped by the fenders. They may also evacuate hot air from the engine bay. Hrmmm??? I need to look at that water splash pic again.
The front wheel wells look like they are being used to bleed off air trapped by the fenders. They may also evacuate hot air from the engine bay. Hrmmm??? I need to look at that water splash pic again.
| aspera | 11-27-2003 11:52 PM |
It looks like they shrunk the big vent behind the radiator (on the bonnet). That would improve visibility AND clean up the smoothest path for air to reach the rear of the car (where the airfoils lurk). The side airflow is already dirty (and muddy). Why not vent there?
Is it me or does the car look like an offroad version of a DTM car?
Is it me or does the car look like an offroad version of a DTM car?
| aspera | 11-27-2003 11:57 PM |
The upper grille is also blanked off. I'd like to see a Subaru WRC car with a body-colored capped off upper grille.:cool:
| bjorn240 | 11-28-2003 09:16 AM |
Did y'all notice that Kristian Sohlberg's navigator is ex-Tapio Laukkanen, ex-Tommi Makinen, ex-Subaru Kaj Lindstrom?
I think having Kaj holding the reins will help ensure a successful full WRC debut by Kristian. He's been in a WRC car a few times...
- Christian
I think having Kaj holding the reins will help ensure a successful full WRC debut by Kristian. He's been in a WRC car a few times...
- Christian
| WRX-78 | 01-22-2004 02:45 PM |
Gotta love the fake inner headlights. :D
| bemani | 01-22-2004 03:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by shrieden [/i]
[B]
And here is a link to the 'explanation of the new car"
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04wrc/index.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
doesn't sound very competitive ...
[B]
And here is a link to the 'explanation of the new car"
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/motorsports/e/04wrc/index.html[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
doesn't sound very competitive ...
| WRXMaster | 01-22-2004 07:43 PM |
fake headlights are fixed on the new car:banana:
| WRX-78 | 01-23-2004 08:08 AM |
I just checked out the Monte shakedown pics. Good thing they fixed the lights. :)
| SCRAPPYDO | 01-23-2004 08:29 AM |
Things to keep in mind folks... function first then looks. It does not HAVE to be pretty. I think the rear wing is well placed. And here is why. Lets say you cut the back of the trunk off right behind the rear wing. WHALA, you have the makings of French cars. The wing is essentially in the same place as the hot hatches have theirs. It takes advantage of the air coming off the top of the car while its still in its laminar state, rather than trying to create effective downforce with with the turbulent eddies that will spiral downward off the roof toward the back of the car. Also, there is some merit to mounting the wing closer to the center of the car for weight distribution, as well as channeling all the downforce produced directly to the rear wheels shock towers.
Subarus take is to mount the rear wing on the trunk. This takes advantage of a moment arm thus creating more leverage which should increase the amount of downforce assuming it is not lost in the deflection of the trunk, hinges, or sheetmetal.
its intersting...
AS for the large wheel gaps, I read somewhere that the water cooled brake calipers are no longer legal in WRC, so they have to rely on air cooling to get the job done, thus the hideously large wheel gap.
Does anybody have a picture of the 2004 Subaru WRC?
SCRAPPYDO
stephen
Subarus take is to mount the rear wing on the trunk. This takes advantage of a moment arm thus creating more leverage which should increase the amount of downforce assuming it is not lost in the deflection of the trunk, hinges, or sheetmetal.
its intersting...
AS for the large wheel gaps, I read somewhere that the water cooled brake calipers are no longer legal in WRC, so they have to rely on air cooling to get the job done, thus the hideously large wheel gap.
Does anybody have a picture of the 2004 Subaru WRC?
SCRAPPYDO
stephen
| cdvma | 01-23-2004 08:47 AM |
I've seen a video of the Mitsu car being tested, its a little different than the pictures but not by much.
| totoherbs | 01-23-2004 08:48 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SCRAPPYDO[/i]
[B] Things to keep in mind folks... function first then looks. It does not HAVE to be pretty. I think the rear wing is well placed. And here is why. Lets say you cut the back of the trunk off right behind the rear wing. WHALA, you have the makings of French cars. The wing is essentially in the same place as the hot hatches have theirs. It takes advantage of the air coming off the top of the car while its still in its laminar state, rather than trying to create effective downforce with with the turbulent eddies that will spiral downward off the roof toward the back of the car. Also, there is some merit to mounting the wing closer to the center of the car for weight distribution, as well as channeling all the downforce produced directly to the rear wheels shock towers.
Subarus take is to mount the rear wing on the trunk. This takes advantage of a moment arm thus creating more leverage which should increase the amount of downforce assuming it is not lost in the deflection of the trunk, hinges, or sheetmetal.
its intersting...
AS for the large wheel gaps, I read somewhere that the water cooled brake calipers are no longer legal in WRC, so they have to rely on air cooling to get the job done, thus the hideously large wheel gap.
Does anybody have a picture of the 2004 Subaru WRC?
SCRAPPYDO
stephen [/B][/QUOTE]
I looked for something about the brakes but couldnt find anything. I have also been up all night lissening to the rally so....
:huh:
[B] Things to keep in mind folks... function first then looks. It does not HAVE to be pretty. I think the rear wing is well placed. And here is why. Lets say you cut the back of the trunk off right behind the rear wing. WHALA, you have the makings of French cars. The wing is essentially in the same place as the hot hatches have theirs. It takes advantage of the air coming off the top of the car while its still in its laminar state, rather than trying to create effective downforce with with the turbulent eddies that will spiral downward off the roof toward the back of the car. Also, there is some merit to mounting the wing closer to the center of the car for weight distribution, as well as channeling all the downforce produced directly to the rear wheels shock towers.
Subarus take is to mount the rear wing on the trunk. This takes advantage of a moment arm thus creating more leverage which should increase the amount of downforce assuming it is not lost in the deflection of the trunk, hinges, or sheetmetal.
its intersting...
AS for the large wheel gaps, I read somewhere that the water cooled brake calipers are no longer legal in WRC, so they have to rely on air cooling to get the job done, thus the hideously large wheel gap.
Does anybody have a picture of the 2004 Subaru WRC?
SCRAPPYDO
stephen [/B][/QUOTE]
I looked for something about the brakes but couldnt find anything. I have also been up all night lissening to the rally so....
:huh:
| speedyHAM | 01-23-2004 11:33 PM |
[QUOTE]The wing is essentially in the same place as the hot hatches have theirs. It takes advantage of the air coming off the top of the car while its still in its laminar state, rather than trying to create effective downforce with with the turbulent eddies that will spiral downward off the roof toward the back of the car.[/QUOTE]
Air coming across the top of the car is not and will never be laminar flow. It is a thinner turbulent boundary layer but definately not laminar. On any production based car you are lucky to get laminar flow past the middle of the hood, and most don't even do that.
As far as the weight distribution and adjusting the center of pressure (effective point where the downforce acts) your assumption is as good a reason as I can think of for putting the wing so far forward. Definately not one of the "prettier cars" in the WRC.
Air coming across the top of the car is not and will never be laminar flow. It is a thinner turbulent boundary layer but definately not laminar. On any production based car you are lucky to get laminar flow past the middle of the hood, and most don't even do that.
As far as the weight distribution and adjusting the center of pressure (effective point where the downforce acts) your assumption is as good a reason as I can think of for putting the wing so far forward. Definately not one of the "prettier cars" in the WRC.
| johnfelstead | 01-24-2004 07:03 PM |
They are using the hideous roof scoop as a feed for the rear wing, to aid airflow rather than primarily as a cabin cooling device. Clever, if ugly, interpretation of the rules.
| subyfanatic | 01-24-2004 09:13 PM |
They should've cut the trunk off and made it a hatchback ;)
| SCRAPPYDO | 01-26-2004 09:13 AM |
Granted that the flow will be tubulent over the surface of the car where the velocity of all moving liquids drops to zero, but that layer is very thin, (would not be tough to figure out). I was more thinking about the vorticies off the back of the roof. I wonder if it can take advantage of those or it is in the flowstream before they develop. Interesting to say the least.
SCRAPPYDO
stephen
SCRAPPYDO
stephen
| JLMarx | 01-26-2004 10:12 AM |
Just because there is a boundary layer, does not mean that it is turbulent, necessarily. However, I agree that is most likely is in this case.
I think another benefit to putting the wing so close to the rear glass is to take advantage of the downward sloping flow to increase the apparent angle of attack.
I think another benefit to putting the wing so close to the rear glass is to take advantage of the downward sloping flow to increase the apparent angle of attack.
| wgb113 | 01-26-2004 12:12 PM |
I'm not sure which is worse, the new Mitsu with it's fugly fender flares and wing or the new Peugot with some of the worse lines I've ever seen.
Bill
Bill
| totoherbs | 01-26-2004 12:24 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wgb113[/i]
[B] I'm not sure which is worse, the new Mitsu with it's fugly fender flares and wing or the new Peugot with some of the worse lines I've ever seen.
Bill [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with the lack of good design in the 2 cars but the peugot was mighty quick this weekend.
[B] I'm not sure which is worse, the new Mitsu with it's fugly fender flares and wing or the new Peugot with some of the worse lines I've ever seen.
Bill [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree with the lack of good design in the 2 cars but the peugot was mighty quick this weekend.
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