| RainMaker | 02-20-2006 05:34 PM |
Perrin Wing Stabilizers in the wild!
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Hey folks,
I picked up a couple of Perrin's new Wing Stabilizers to try them out.
So far Ive been triple digits and no more blurry wing!
Anyways, I first tried one stabilizer and then two. I'm a fan of two, but I took pictures of both configurations.
One Stabilizer:
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11314.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11326.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11323.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11329.jpg[/img]
Two Stabilizers:
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11332.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11335.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11308.jpg[/img]
Happy car with painted intercooler and new RCE camber plates :)
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11305.jpg[/img]
Overall, the stabilizers give the wing a much more serious look without adding to the rice quotient. The go on with no irreversible changes, using screw holes already in the wing and double-sided tape. The install is not quite as trivial as it looks, and I would recommend looking in your rear-view mirror as the measure of straigtness before letting the tape stick.
The stabilizers also come in a matte silver color that is almost identical to the color of my car. I thought the black matched the "second wing" nicely. The grey almost was invisible on my car.
Chris
I picked up a couple of Perrin's new Wing Stabilizers to try them out.
So far Ive been triple digits and no more blurry wing!
Anyways, I first tried one stabilizer and then two. I'm a fan of two, but I took pictures of both configurations.
One Stabilizer:
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11314.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11326.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11323.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11329.jpg[/img]
Two Stabilizers:
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11332.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11335.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11308.jpg[/img]
Happy car with painted intercooler and new RCE camber plates :)
[img]http://www.nolke.com/pics/11305.jpg[/img]
Overall, the stabilizers give the wing a much more serious look without adding to the rice quotient. The go on with no irreversible changes, using screw holes already in the wing and double-sided tape. The install is not quite as trivial as it looks, and I would recommend looking in your rear-view mirror as the measure of straigtness before letting the tape stick.
The stabilizers also come in a matte silver color that is almost identical to the color of my car. I thought the black matched the "second wing" nicely. The grey almost was invisible on my car.
Chris
| YourMother'sLover | 02-20-2006 05:40 PM |
Different, but I think I like them (plural, with two stabilizers...one looks stupid IMO). I think if I saw them on in person I would feel a bit better about them, but not bad overall. I gice you an E for originality. :banana:
| nate49509 | 02-20-2006 06:02 PM |
Two does look much better than one. You should get them painted to match.
| StealthWRX | 02-20-2006 06:10 PM |
thats kinda cool
| wrxtreme2 | 02-20-2006 06:32 PM |
not feeling the stabilizers
| SplatZ400 | 02-20-2006 06:40 PM |
im going to +1 the double stabilizers. they look good, very good!
| RainMaker | 02-20-2006 07:00 PM |
[QUOTE=nate49509]Two does look much better than one. You should get them painted to match.[/QUOTE]
The silver ones Perrin sells looked so close to factory body-color that they actually seemed.... "lost". Sorta hard to explain, but the black ones go well with the face of the second wing (its flat black) and look more serious than the silver/grey ones did.
The silver ones Perrin sells looked so close to factory body-color that they actually seemed.... "lost". Sorta hard to explain, but the black ones go well with the face of the second wing (its flat black) and look more serious than the silver/grey ones did.
| LivyathanZero | 02-20-2006 07:26 PM |
another vote for double stabilizers. the blurry wing at high speed is annoying
| iamchris | 02-20-2006 07:28 PM |
One looks absolutely stupid, but 2 makes it very nice, IMO :) Nice pick
| NewSTI | 02-20-2006 07:32 PM |
wow didnt know they have something like that ..does it help with some wind or road noise ?
| Imprezive_04 | 02-20-2006 07:43 PM |
Could those maybe lead to cracks in the wing because now it can't vibrate at high speeds?
| dodiox | 02-20-2006 08:10 PM |
OMG that is sooooo cool now i want an sti wing! now paint them the same color!
how much are those?!
how much are those?!
| Davenow | 02-20-2006 08:14 PM |
You guys know that there is no performance reason to use these right?
The top element is not a downforce producing foil. Its merely there to smooth and direct airflow over the lower deck, which creates the downforce.
If you are going to run these, get 2, it just looks so much better :)
The top element is not a downforce producing foil. Its merely there to smooth and direct airflow over the lower deck, which creates the downforce.
If you are going to run these, get 2, it just looks so much better :)
| turbo tecnica | 02-20-2006 08:14 PM |
Those are really cool, I didn't even know those exist. I hate the blurry wing effect on my STi wing :( Maybe I'll pick some of those up if they aren't too much.
| jmanrex | 02-20-2006 08:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Imprezive_04]Could those maybe lead to cracks in the wing because now it can't vibrate at high speeds?[/QUOTE]
good question--i am curious about this as well
does jeff have any response to this?
good question--i am curious about this as well
does jeff have any response to this?
| subie freak | 02-20-2006 09:25 PM |
looks cool. does it really help though?
| Amazake | 02-20-2006 09:33 PM |
$300 dollars for a pair!
| STi-JDM | 02-20-2006 10:15 PM |
^^^ :eek: :eek: is that true?
| Amazake | 02-20-2006 10:46 PM |
[QUOTE=STi-JDM]^^^ :eek: :eek: is that true?[/QUOTE]
'fraid so.
MSRP 159.99 each.
[url]http://www.optionsauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=A-PSP-BDY-100BK[/url]
'fraid so.
MSRP 159.99 each.
[url]http://www.optionsauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=A-PSP-BDY-100BK[/url]
| 2phless | 02-20-2006 11:24 PM |
Until you've seen that monstrosity vibrating in your rear view, you probably won't appreciate how nice an idea like those stabilizers can be. I lifted mine out of view with the chargespeed risers (which also abreviated the vibrations up in cleaner air.)
I liked the "STi thing" with the big scoop and wing when I first got the car and I now regret that it's almost impossible to trade out for a wingless trunk, let alone a JBP one.
I liked the "STi thing" with the big scoop and wing when I first got the car and I now regret that it's almost impossible to trade out for a wingless trunk, let alone a JBP one.
| Brahmzy | 02-20-2006 11:29 PM |
I don't mind the blurry wing - doesn't affect the performance.
| SharpShifter | 02-21-2006 01:00 AM |
i wonder how 4 would look hhhhhhhhmmm WRC maybe hhhhhmmmmmmmm
| RainMaker | 02-21-2006 11:06 AM |
Yeah, I think 4 would look like there was a gap. 5 looks very WRC.
As far as performance value... I don't think that Perrin or I have claimed that the car's performance will change the moment you put this on.
I just think it looks really good :D
As far as performance value... I don't think that Perrin or I have claimed that the car's performance will change the moment you put this on.
I just think it looks really good :D
| pdxsilverwrx | 02-21-2006 11:28 AM |
Chris you know that's going to add mad powah!
The car looks good with two imo.
The car looks good with two imo.
| offset | 02-21-2006 11:52 AM |
[Snide NASIOC flaming comment]
If you are that bothered by a blurry wing in the rear view mirror you aren't going fast enough as to keep your eyes in front of you. j/k :lol:
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If you are that bothered by a blurry wing in the rear view mirror you aren't going fast enough as to keep your eyes in front of you. j/k :lol:
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| PERRINJeff | 02-21-2006 12:15 PM |
That is the correct price, which over time will drop if these are as popular as we hope they will be. Currently they are machined from aluminum, and quite a large chunk, which makes them more expensive.
Is there a performance difference? For normal daily driving is there a performance difference with any wing? Not really. But at the track, the STI will as well as the new window splitter do work. The question is how much downforce is lost at higher speeds with the flimsy wing? Or the wing bouncing up and down causing irratic downforce? This is not something easily pruven due to the track time involved with its. But there are a few special people out there that should provide some good feed back.
Also if there is anyone out there that does a lot of track time and is willing to do some before and afters, call us.
So yes they are for looks, and i agree, 2 is very nice. But a small performance benifit could be an arguable point. As more and more people buy them, more and more track guys will be putting them to the test and hopefully some good feedback.
Is there a performance difference? For normal daily driving is there a performance difference with any wing? Not really. But at the track, the STI will as well as the new window splitter do work. The question is how much downforce is lost at higher speeds with the flimsy wing? Or the wing bouncing up and down causing irratic downforce? This is not something easily pruven due to the track time involved with its. But there are a few special people out there that should provide some good feed back.
Also if there is anyone out there that does a lot of track time and is willing to do some before and afters, call us.
So yes they are for looks, and i agree, 2 is very nice. But a small performance benifit could be an arguable point. As more and more people buy them, more and more track guys will be putting them to the test and hopefully some good feedback.
| Amazake | 02-21-2006 03:41 PM |
[QUOTE=PERRINJeff] As more and more people buy them[/QUOTE]
I don't think you will get more and more, if the price is that overinflated. It [I]is[/I] just a piece of AL. Absolute waste of $
I don't think you will get more and more, if the price is that overinflated. It [I]is[/I] just a piece of AL. Absolute waste of $
| PERRINJeff | 02-21-2006 06:41 PM |
Its not just a piece of aluminum. It is a CNC piece that has an I-beam shape to it to allow for a large foot at the top and bottom. The price is not over inflated at all considering how these are made and what from.
Saying it is a waste of money is an opinion, but i don't think that is everyones. Is spending $300 for window tint job a waste then? Is $300 for an AMP for a stereo? An extra $1000 for brand name wheels vs. knock off?? No because to the right person those are great values. Same goes for this. With a street value of less than $300 for 2 of them, i think there will an elite crowd of people that will buy them. But as they get more popular the price will fall, and will appeal to more and more people.
Like the RAZOR phone. When they were new and $500 they weren't for everyone, but as they got more and more popular, they have dropped to $99. Same goes for this. Expect the price to drop over time.
Saying it is a waste of money is an opinion, but i don't think that is everyones. Is spending $300 for window tint job a waste then? Is $300 for an AMP for a stereo? An extra $1000 for brand name wheels vs. knock off?? No because to the right person those are great values. Same goes for this. With a street value of less than $300 for 2 of them, i think there will an elite crowd of people that will buy them. But as they get more popular the price will fall, and will appeal to more and more people.
Like the RAZOR phone. When they were new and $500 they weren't for everyone, but as they got more and more popular, they have dropped to $99. Same goes for this. Expect the price to drop over time.
| AWDrifter21 | 02-21-2006 09:50 PM |
As I believe this "might" be functional, I think it is more to just stop the annoyance for people of the minor vibration the STi wing gives off during high speeds.
I also believe if this vibration affected stability/handling, SOA/SOJ would have noticed this.
For the price of this piece of aluminum, it is quite expensive, even if prototype/brand new.
I could go to my local Autofreak and purchase a $40 piece of real Carbonfiber and make 2 pieces just like that.
But to whomever has money for this or likes it... great... this is just my $.02.
I also believe if this vibration affected stability/handling, SOA/SOJ would have noticed this.
For the price of this piece of aluminum, it is quite expensive, even if prototype/brand new.
I could go to my local Autofreak and purchase a $40 piece of real Carbonfiber and make 2 pieces just like that.
But to whomever has money for this or likes it... great... this is just my $.02.
| KAX | 02-21-2006 09:59 PM |
i think its a fine price for just starting out as they have to pay for their development work, just like with anything that is just released. It could prove to be benficial to the geometry of the wing, but no one will really know because no one even really knows if the STi wing is functional at all. But it is a splitter type thing as well (kinda like the WRC wing) so it might help. If i had money right now, id get em.
| CryderSpeed | 02-21-2006 11:09 PM |
BTW, nice pics on Hawthorne. ;)
| Imprezive_04 | 02-22-2006 09:46 AM |
I still say the wing is going to end up cracking because now it can't flex
| BUCKman_02 | 02-22-2006 10:15 AM |
[QUOTE=LivyathanZero]another vote for double stabilizers. the blurry wing at high speed is annoying[/QUOTE]
+1 but not for the blurry wing thing. I drive a wagon ;) . Yeah tho the double stabilizers looks pretty good and different which is always nice. Right on for being brave and trying it out :disco:
+1 but not for the blurry wing thing. I drive a wagon ;) . Yeah tho the double stabilizers looks pretty good and different which is always nice. Right on for being brave and trying it out :disco:
| Subaruski | 02-22-2006 10:18 AM |
ewwwhhh
| RainMaker | 02-22-2006 10:39 AM |
[QUOTE=CryderSpeed]BTW, nice pics on Hawthorne. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks! I live right off of Hawthorne, so taking the picture was a 2 minute excercise in illegal parking ;)
Thanks! I live right off of Hawthorne, so taking the picture was a 2 minute excercise in illegal parking ;)
| $4kornrz$ | 02-22-2006 10:48 AM |
I wish someone would come up with a CF insert that would mimic the internal dimensions of the wing with 2 or 4 diffusers. It would be light weight, functional and handsome!
| PERRINJeff | 02-22-2006 01:06 PM |
Imprezive_04,
Why would it crack? Vibrations can cause cranking, if anything there would less chance of cracking.
$4kornrz$,
One of the things that will change in the future is we will go to an injection molded part which will drop the cost, and weight quite a bit. The CNC version is pretty light, and very stiff. The only real change in the future will be cost.
RainMaker,
thanks again for some great pics!
Why would it crack? Vibrations can cause cranking, if anything there would less chance of cracking.
$4kornrz$,
One of the things that will change in the future is we will go to an injection molded part which will drop the cost, and weight quite a bit. The CNC version is pretty light, and very stiff. The only real change in the future will be cost.
RainMaker,
thanks again for some great pics!
| boundy3 | 02-22-2006 09:22 PM |
Those look really good!
| 2LTL2L8 | 02-24-2006 08:10 PM |
I wanna see pics of the black stabalizers on a Black STI!!!!
| oldmansan | 02-24-2006 08:26 PM |
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| Imprezive_04 | 02-24-2006 09:12 PM |
with the stabilizers the wing is still vibrating, just at much higher frequencies and smaller amplitude
| Chp_Stix | 02-24-2006 09:21 PM |
just get 4 more and you have the WRC wing almost. Looks good and functional
| ryanpietro | 02-24-2006 09:21 PM |
i think 2 in carbon fiber would be the only way id run them
| speedyHAM | 02-24-2006 09:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Imprezive_04]with the stabilizers the wing is still vibrating, just at much higher frequencies and smaller amplitude[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily, with 1 maybe, with 2 or more you (more than likely) are raising the natural frequncy of the wing above that which is induced by wind flowing over the top of the car and down over the spoiler. If you even shift the natural frequency of the wing off of the harmonic which is generated by wind forces by a little bit it will actually lower the vibrations in the wing substantially.
Realistically- it's plastic, a small degree of flexing even at massive repetitions (think 10^9) will not cause any damage. To work harden most plastics you need moderate amplitude before anything happens. This product is not going to cause the wing to crack.
Not necessarily, with 1 maybe, with 2 or more you (more than likely) are raising the natural frequncy of the wing above that which is induced by wind flowing over the top of the car and down over the spoiler. If you even shift the natural frequency of the wing off of the harmonic which is generated by wind forces by a little bit it will actually lower the vibrations in the wing substantially.
Realistically- it's plastic, a small degree of flexing even at massive repetitions (think 10^9) will not cause any damage. To work harden most plastics you need moderate amplitude before anything happens. This product is not going to cause the wing to crack.
| Imprezive_04 | 02-25-2006 09:09 AM |
we'll talk about this again in a year......
| SilverBugEye03 | 02-25-2006 11:45 AM |
OMG...THEY ARE SO NOT CENTERED....just kidding...looks good! ;)
| orangedot3083 | 09-17-2006 10:36 AM |
So I just read the two pages, good pic's.
Has any one done this and painted them the same color as the car? I would like to see some pic's of how that looks.
Has any one done this and painted them the same color as the car? I would like to see some pic's of how that looks.
| Amazake | 09-17-2006 12:27 PM |
Down to $143 per stabilier! Sweet, you guys dropped the price $1 dollar per month. They will be fair priced in 3-4 more years.
| RainMaker | 09-18-2006 07:34 PM |
So if someone makes me a good offer for these two, I took them off when I took the whole STI wing off...
I'd like ot get $200 plus shipping and plus 3% for paypal if its used...
chris
I'd like ot get $200 plus shipping and plus 3% for paypal if its used...
chris
| skate enjoi | 09-18-2006 08:10 PM |
looks great IMO
| bessie | 09-18-2006 08:57 PM |
Double if I HAD to choose. IMO it makes the wing look bigger than it already is.
| BOOST3DWRX | 09-18-2006 09:07 PM |
They really dont float my boat idk what it is I think it just looks like you cut something and shoved it into the wing not like its moled into the wing like the WRC cars...but thats just my opinion your car looks sweet though
| skate enjoi | 09-18-2006 09:40 PM |
i actually like the inserts in the wing better than the wrc wings
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