| Egan | 02-13-2003 05:51 PM |
Problems w/ CWest Ver2 Grill Install
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Finally got my CWest V2 Grill today from Renick. Before painting, I wanted to make sure it fit okay. Well, it doesn't. None of the holes line up. :mad:
Left side:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/CWLeft.jpg[/IMG]
Right side:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/CWRight.jpg[/IMG]
The grill is designed to reuse the push in screws from the stock grill that go into the 2 top left holes and 2 top right holes. If I try real hard, I can get the far left one in, but then I have no hope of getting the other 3 in. Also, the air inlet scoop doesn't fit right.
Has anyone else installed this grill? Is it my Prodrive headlights causing the problem (it shouldn't be since the stock grill fit back in without any problems)? This is the real deal from CWest, complete with japanese instructions.
Left side:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/CWLeft.jpg[/IMG]
Right side:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/CWRight.jpg[/IMG]
The grill is designed to reuse the push in screws from the stock grill that go into the 2 top left holes and 2 top right holes. If I try real hard, I can get the far left one in, but then I have no hope of getting the other 3 in. Also, the air inlet scoop doesn't fit right.
Has anyone else installed this grill? Is it my Prodrive headlights causing the problem (it shouldn't be since the stock grill fit back in without any problems)? This is the real deal from CWest, complete with japanese instructions.
| bemani | 02-13-2003 06:36 PM |
take out that plate on top of your radiator?
| Egan | 02-13-2003 07:02 PM |
The plate is not interferring at all. The problem is that if I force the grill all the way to the left so that I get one hole to line up and insert the push screw, the right side is no where near the hole and there is a 1/4" gap between the grill and the right light.
As you can see from the pics it is almost as if the grill is not wide enough. The left holes aren't far enough over to the left and the right holes aren't far enough over to the right.
I'm going to Vegas tomorrow and when I get back on Monday I am shipping this thing back to iSR/Renick. Unless anyone else has a better idea. In my frustration, I may have missed something.
As you can see from the pics it is almost as if the grill is not wide enough. The left holes aren't far enough over to the left and the right holes aren't far enough over to the right.
I'm going to Vegas tomorrow and when I get back on Monday I am shipping this thing back to iSR/Renick. Unless anyone else has a better idea. In my frustration, I may have missed something.
| Capt Crunch | 02-13-2003 07:28 PM |
If the grill itself fits fine, you could drill new holes.
| Egan | 02-13-2003 07:43 PM |
As you can see from the pics, the holes are only off 1/2 - 3/4 of a diameter, so drilling new holes won't help. They would just end up being too big to hold the push in screws. Besides for $179 it should come ready to install.
I'm going to try sliding the lights in slightly to see if the holes will line up better (the holes are part of the light bracket). But of course then the grill may not fit between the lights. Before this is done I'll probably end up breaking something. :(
I'm going to try sliding the lights in slightly to see if the holes will line up better (the holes are part of the light bracket). But of course then the grill may not fit between the lights. Before this is done I'll probably end up breaking something. :(
| bemani | 02-13-2003 08:26 PM |
I just test fit mine, and its perfect. I have the oem lights.
You definitely should loosen the lights, find a position that can accept the grille, then tighten it again. The 3 piece part has a lot more tolerance to these differences than a 1 piece, so it isn't strange that you weren't seeing it before.
I'm more wondering how to get the 2 bolts to the bottom part :eek: Maybe the Japanese have it easier because they have a smaller bumper beam?
You definitely should loosen the lights, find a position that can accept the grille, then tighten it again. The 3 piece part has a lot more tolerance to these differences than a 1 piece, so it isn't strange that you weren't seeing it before.
I'm more wondering how to get the 2 bolts to the bottom part :eek: Maybe the Japanese have it easier because they have a smaller bumper beam?
| Egan | 02-13-2003 09:48 PM |
Well, no matter what I do with the lights, the grill won't fit. The grill mounting brackets are part of the lights themselves, so there's not much more I can do.
Even when I got the far left hole to line up, I could not get any of the other three to line up. I was able to get the air duct screwed down. Then I discovered another thing: the hood won't latch down with the grill in place. Granted the grill wasn't 100% secure, but it was where it would be if it was screwed down.
Anyone think I might have gotten a bad grill? I would think these grilles all come out of the same mold, so maybe it's the Prodrive lights. I'm sure it's not just the CWest stuff either. Looks like I'm stuck with the stock grill.
Even when I got the far left hole to line up, I could not get any of the other three to line up. I was able to get the air duct screwed down. Then I discovered another thing: the hood won't latch down with the grill in place. Granted the grill wasn't 100% secure, but it was where it would be if it was screwed down.
Anyone think I might have gotten a bad grill? I would think these grilles all come out of the same mold, so maybe it's the Prodrive lights. I'm sure it's not just the CWest stuff either. Looks like I'm stuck with the stock grill.
| bemani | 02-13-2003 10:29 PM |
well last resort you can drill new holes in either the grille or the lights and use real nuts + bolts instead of those cheap plastic tabs :)
That is, if you figure out the latch problem ...
That is, if you figure out the latch problem ...
| kenchan | 02-14-2003 10:39 AM |
that's a defect. return it for a new one.
| bemani | 02-14-2003 11:10 AM |
Its no defect. I met with Egan and tried mine on his car, still wouldn't fit. It is the prodrive lights causing the issue.
| kenchan | 02-14-2003 11:24 AM |
oh i c... then he needs to make a decision then...
| Egan | 02-14-2003 12:43 PM |
Luckily for me Bemani lives about 5 minutes down the road. A quick check indicated his grill wouldn't work either, and we know his works on his WRX. Looks like I'm out of luck.
Thanks again Alan. Hopefully I can join you and Steve on your next drive!
Pam down at Renick (where Bemani and I bought our grilles from) has a WRX with the same lights as me. She's going to try and fit the grill down there. We'll see what she finds out.
Thanks again Alan. Hopefully I can join you and Steve on your next drive!
Pam down at Renick (where Bemani and I bought our grilles from) has a WRX with the same lights as me. She's going to try and fit the grill down there. We'll see what she finds out.
| JakRex | 02-15-2003 12:16 AM |
Just wondering, is the v2 C-West grill a 1pc?
Albert
Albert
| Egan | 02-18-2003 12:08 AM |
Yep, one big piece of FRP.
| Kostamojen | 02-18-2003 01:40 AM |
Well that completely sucks :(
Maybe you can get one without any holes drilled in advance or something along those lines and drill them yourself? Or maybe find out if there is a different one for prodrive lights? Sucks...
Maybe you can get one without any holes drilled in advance or something along those lines and drill them yourself? Or maybe find out if there is a different one for prodrive lights? Sucks...
| Leonardo | 02-18-2003 07:49 AM |
Grill should fit fine with the JDM lights, right?
Leo
Leo
| CirrusWRX | 02-18-2003 01:00 PM |
Sorry if this is a stupid response, but what about zip tying it into place? I see where the holes are, and you could probably just use some zip ties to make up for the 1/2 to 1/4" - no?
(I haven't looked that closely at what you are doing, so forgive me is this is a really dumb suggestion - just trying to help!)
(I haven't looked that closely at what you are doing, so forgive me is this is a really dumb suggestion - just trying to help!)
| MAD REX | 02-18-2003 01:23 PM |
Good idea!
| Egan | 02-18-2003 02:58 PM |
[QUOTE]Grill should fit fine with the JDM lights, right?[/QUOTE]
Leo, all the pics I have seen of this grill show it on a Rex w/ the STi lights, so I would think they would fit.
[QUOTE]Sorry if this is a stupid response, but what about zip tying it into place? I see where the holes are, and you could probably just use some zip ties to make up for the 1/2 to 1/4" - no?[/QUOTE]
The grill is super tight between the two lights, plus as I mentioned earlier, the hood won't latch with the grill in place. It's almost as if I need to push the lights outboard in order for the grill to fit between them, but I need to push it inboard for the holes to line up.
Pam is going to try a grill/Prodrive install down at Renick and see what happens.
Leo, all the pics I have seen of this grill show it on a Rex w/ the STi lights, so I would think they would fit.
[QUOTE]Sorry if this is a stupid response, but what about zip tying it into place? I see where the holes are, and you could probably just use some zip ties to make up for the 1/2 to 1/4" - no?[/QUOTE]
The grill is super tight between the two lights, plus as I mentioned earlier, the hood won't latch with the grill in place. It's almost as if I need to push the lights outboard in order for the grill to fit between them, but I need to push it inboard for the holes to line up.
Pam is going to try a grill/Prodrive install down at Renick and see what happens.
| ryball | 02-19-2003 01:10 PM |
I don't know if this helps at all, but mine fits better with the snorkel under the grill peice.
My main concern is that the grill does not sit flush with the hood. It sticks out like an inch in front of the hood. In all the pictures I've seen it sits flush with the hood, although all the pictures I've seen have been with the c-west hood. Do you guys think that it is designed for the c-west hood specifically?
[IMG]http://images.fotki.com/v11/photos/4/43063/144564/003003-vi.jpg[/IMG]
My main concern is that the grill does not sit flush with the hood. It sticks out like an inch in front of the hood. In all the pictures I've seen it sits flush with the hood, although all the pictures I've seen have been with the c-west hood. Do you guys think that it is designed for the c-west hood specifically?
[IMG]http://images.fotki.com/v11/photos/4/43063/144564/003003-vi.jpg[/IMG]
| bemani | 02-19-2003 05:10 PM |
ryball, where did you get it painted? good price?
funny how everyone with the grille that replies seems to be around here :)
funny how everyone with the grille that replies seems to be around here :)
| bemani | 02-19-2003 07:33 PM |
ah, I found my pic of the cwest car I took when I was in Japan. And it isn't using the cwest hood.
[IMG]http://member.newsguy.com/~b534202/Japan/CWESTWRX.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://member.newsguy.com/~b534202/Japan/CWESTWRX.jpg[/IMG]
| shields102 | 02-20-2003 11:33 AM |
cwest badge
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So I take it that you can use the grill without the c-west badge? That would be a good thing. Did you have to do anything special for that to work?
| Egan | 02-20-2003 11:35 AM |
It doesn't come with a badge. Just a blank, flat area where the badge is in that picture.
| bemani | 02-20-2003 11:50 AM |
sure it does, its in the bag with the screws and nuts. you should ask renick subaru if you don't have it.
| Egan | 02-20-2003 12:29 PM |
Nope, mine only had a big CWest sticker which is too big for the badge area. I put mine on my toolbox with the other 25 stickers I have from WRX vendors. :)
Of course since I'll probably have to send my grill back, I don't really need the badge anyway. :(
Of course since I'll probably have to send my grill back, I don't really need the badge anyway. :(
| ryball | 02-20-2003 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]ryball, where did you get it painted? good price?
funny how everyone with the grille that replies seems to be around here :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Hopefully I'm slipping it in with a batch of WRB parts from one of the vendors down on the Bay Area. Pretty decent price if it works out ~$40
Hey, have you test fitted and closed the hood??? Mine doesn't sit flush with the hood like the one in the picture....
[B]ryball, where did you get it painted? good price?
funny how everyone with the grille that replies seems to be around here :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Hopefully I'm slipping it in with a batch of WRB parts from one of the vendors down on the Bay Area. Pretty decent price if it works out ~$40
Hey, have you test fitted and closed the hood??? Mine doesn't sit flush with the hood like the one in the picture....
| bemani | 02-20-2003 01:17 PM |
Mind if I stick my grille to be painted with yours? When are you painting it?
It sticks out maybe about 1/2 cm, not the 1 in like you say. But if you look at the design of the grille, the area around the screen does come out a little. You can adjust the 2 rubber stopper in the engine bay to make the hood seal better.
The stock one doesn't match the hood line too I just notice ... it is recessed a bit inside.
I still can't figure out how to screw the bottom to the bumper. Probably have to zip tie it.
It sticks out maybe about 1/2 cm, not the 1 in like you say. But if you look at the design of the grille, the area around the screen does come out a little. You can adjust the 2 rubber stopper in the engine bay to make the hood seal better.
The stock one doesn't match the hood line too I just notice ... it is recessed a bit inside.
I still can't figure out how to screw the bottom to the bumper. Probably have to zip tie it.
| ryball | 02-20-2003 03:24 PM |
If I can work it out, it will be going to Masters I think. They are down in Hayward. I don't know, though, I am going to have to re-test fit it this weekend to see how bad it is. I must be doing something wrong because when I close my hood it is WAY noticable that it sticks out too far. I am talking with the vendor to see if I got a defect or there are multiple models...
| ryball | 02-20-2003 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]funny how everyone with the grille that replies seems to be around here :) [/B][/QUOTE]
I think it's Steve's fault! I saw it in dorifto's (I think) magazine and knew I would get it. Now three of us have it! hahahhaha!!! We'll just have to have a little cwest ver2 club. :lol:
[B]funny how everyone with the grille that replies seems to be around here :) [/B][/QUOTE]
I think it's Steve's fault! I saw it in dorifto's (I think) magazine and knew I would get it. Now three of us have it! hahahhaha!!! We'll just have to have a little cwest ver2 club. :lol:
| Egan | 02-20-2003 03:27 PM |
Ryball,
Did you get yours at iSR/Renick like Alan and I did?
I blame Steve too. He turned me on to this thing!
Did you get yours at iSR/Renick like Alan and I did?
I blame Steve too. He turned me on to this thing!
| ryball | 02-20-2003 03:31 PM |
got mine from vivid... what does your's say on top right, the little etched part description? Mine says:
C-West Inc. 2
Subaru Impreza TA-GD
Front Grill
GD02-F/G
>FRP<
Made in Japan
C-West Inc. 2
Subaru Impreza TA-GD
Front Grill
GD02-F/G
>FRP<
Made in Japan
| HongKongBeef | 02-20-2003 03:50 PM |
hey, so u guys are getting a group paint sorta thing? I got a few wrblue parts i gotta paint too! can i add in? I got some CWest sidemarkers (v1. so i guess i cant be part of your v2 club :lol: ) i need painted. I got a quote from Bertelucci's who might do my car (valet accident) and the quote for just the sidemarkers made me faint!
| bemani | 02-20-2003 04:34 PM |
At least I saw the real thing before I bought it! :lol:
Do you notice that the cwest photo doesn't have the little notch for sticking the badge ...
[IMG]http://www.newsguy.com/~b534202/fg.jpg[/IMG]
Do you notice that the cwest photo doesn't have the little notch for sticking the badge ...
[IMG]http://www.newsguy.com/~b534202/fg.jpg[/IMG]
| ryball | 02-20-2003 05:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]At least I saw the real thing before I bought it! :lol:
Do you notice that the cwest photo doesn't have the little notch for sticking the badge ...
[IMG]http://www.newsguy.com/~b534202/fg.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
No, that was just the only picture I could find. That was a pic that someone photoshopped out the little logo thing.
[B]At least I saw the real thing before I bought it! :lol:
Do you notice that the cwest photo doesn't have the little notch for sticking the badge ...
[IMG]http://www.newsguy.com/~b534202/fg.jpg[/IMG] [/B][/QUOTE]
No, that was just the only picture I could find. That was a pic that someone photoshopped out the little logo thing.
| ryball | 02-20-2003 05:10 PM |
Can you guys post pictures of your whole grill so I can compare it to mine?
| Egan | 02-20-2003 05:13 PM |
I won't be back to Sac until Friday afternoon, so no pics until then. I'm going to try one more time to reorient the lights and see if the grill will fit. I'm not very optimistic.
So when's the Sacramento area CWest Ver2 Grill Problem meet? :lol:
So when's the Sacramento area CWest Ver2 Grill Problem meet? :lol:
| bemani | 02-20-2003 05:49 PM |
I don't have a camera :p
I'm thinking of having a sticker made up to put in place of the cwest badge. Maybe a red i :) I'm going to miss having the car look like Rudolph the red nose reindeer :lol:
Egan, if you screw the 2 bolts to the air duct, and secure the bottom part, I think that's enough, I don't think you really need to put all 4 plastic taps on. Maybe 2 is enough. Those 2 bottom screws is driving me crazy though. The bumper beam is in the way ...
I'm thinking of having a sticker made up to put in place of the cwest badge. Maybe a red i :) I'm going to miss having the car look like Rudolph the red nose reindeer :lol:
Egan, if you screw the 2 bolts to the air duct, and secure the bottom part, I think that's enough, I don't think you really need to put all 4 plastic taps on. Maybe 2 is enough. Those 2 bottom screws is driving me crazy though. The bumper beam is in the way ...
| ryball | 02-20-2003 06:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Egan [/i]
[B]I won't be back to Sac until Friday afternoon, so no pics until then. I'm going to try one more time to reorient the lights and see if the grill will fit. I'm not very optimistic.
So when's the Sacramento area CWest Ver2 Grill Problem meet? :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
If you are back before 11:30 you should come to the lunch meet!
[B]I won't be back to Sac until Friday afternoon, so no pics until then. I'm going to try one more time to reorient the lights and see if the grill will fit. I'm not very optimistic.
So when's the Sacramento area CWest Ver2 Grill Problem meet? :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
If you are back before 11:30 you should come to the lunch meet!
| Egan | 02-21-2003 10:03 AM |
I've been wanting to go to those, but I usually don't get out of Santa Clara until 10:30 or so and that puts me in Sac after 12:30. Plus the Rex is sitting in the garage at home.
One of these weeks I'll make it. Plus we need to do another full blown meet. The last one I was at was in November.
One of these weeks I'll make it. Plus we need to do another full blown meet. The last one I was at was in November.
| Egan | 02-21-2003 07:41 PM |
Well, no matter what I do the grill and holes won't line up. It's like the grill is deformed in its shape. It needs to have the center pushed in. I'm curious to see Ryball and Bemeni's completed installs. Anyways, I got the hood to close with the grill in place. I had to take the air scoop off (kinda defeats the purpose of this grill).
Here are pics for Ryball to compare his hood/grill alignment:
Left:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/LftHood.jpg[/IMG]
Right:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/RtHood.jpg[/IMG]
Whole hood:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/Hood.jpg[/IMG]
Here are pics for Ryball to compare his hood/grill alignment:
Left:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/LftHood.jpg[/IMG]
Right:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/RtHood.jpg[/IMG]
Whole hood:
[IMG]http://www.zjstech.net/~library/50/Hood.jpg[/IMG]
| Kostamojen | 02-21-2003 10:56 PM |
It almost looks as if it is too wide and touching the light lenses too... Man, that thing just isnt right at all... Find out any more info from the vendors about it? Sending it back anytime soon?
| bemani | 02-21-2003 11:35 PM |
except the right side where it is sticking out a bit more than the left side, looks pretty good to me
| Egan | 02-22-2003 01:28 PM |
Ya Steve, it is almost too wide. It barely fits between the lights. But based on where the holes line up, it needs to be wider, which can't happen.
Pam from iSR/Renick is aware of the problem. She was going to test fit their last grill on a WRX with the Prodrive lights, but I haven't heard back yet. Regardless of what she finds, this grill has to go back.
Pam from iSR/Renick is aware of the problem. She was going to test fit their last grill on a WRX with the Prodrive lights, but I haven't heard back yet. Regardless of what she finds, this grill has to go back.
| Egan | 02-22-2003 01:49 PM |
Anyone know of a nice, aftermarket 3 piece grill?
| ryball | 02-24-2003 03:09 PM |
I'll take pix of mine tonight and post them. Did you try to put the grill on OVER the scoop? That is the only way my hood would close.
did anyone notice this guy? ...or am I just not paying attention?
:disco: :disco: :disco:
did anyone notice this guy? ...or am I just not paying attention?
:disco: :disco: :disco:
| ryball | 02-24-2003 03:11 PM |
See how far out it sticks, though? In all the other pictures, it lines up pretty flush with the hood...
| ryball | 02-25-2003 10:33 PM |
give me a minute, I'll resize them...
| ryball | 02-26-2003 12:36 PM |
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| Kostamojen | 02-27-2003 02:41 AM |
Geez, this totally sucks :( Im sad that I told everyone about the lower price now... I guess we know why the price droped now :(
Did everyone order from Vivid?
Did everyone order from Vivid?
| Egan | 02-27-2003 09:36 AM |
Nope, Alan (Bemani) and I got ours from Renick Subaru. Seems to be a CWest problem and not an individual vendor problem. I've already talked to Pam and I am shipping mine back on Friday for a full refund.
| Wrex Power | 02-27-2003 10:27 AM |
I got mine from vivid and went to test fit it yesterday and it fits perfect.
| ryball | 02-27-2003 11:54 AM |
Wrex Power -
Take some pictures, I would be interested in seeing yours.
Take some pictures, I would be interested in seeing yours.
| ryball | 02-27-2003 04:38 PM |
I shipped mine back to Vivid today. They are sending me an STi grill instead... :(
| WRXGuyInUSA | 02-27-2003 04:52 PM |
I really don't like that little spot for the logo. It looks really cheesy, and NEEDS something stuck there. I wouldn't do the C-west logo, so I wonder what else fits good there??? STi logo?
| momoney627 | 02-27-2003 05:53 PM |
Mine didn't fit really well when I got it so I got rid of it and picked up the STI grille...
MO$
MO$
| Kostamojen | 02-28-2003 03:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRXGuyInTulsa [/i]
[B]I really don't like that little spot for the logo. It looks really cheesy, and NEEDS something stuck there. I wouldn't do the C-west logo, so I wonder what else fits good there??? STi logo? [/B][/QUOTE]
I thought an STi badge, WRX badge, or a Subaru vinyl sticker might fit? (I would have given my subaru sticker I have to one of the sac guys with the grill but they all got returned :( )
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wrex Power [/i]
[B]I got mine from vivid and went to test fit it yesterday and it fits perfect. [/B][/QUOTE]
Take some pics for this thread so we can compair.
[B]I really don't like that little spot for the logo. It looks really cheesy, and NEEDS something stuck there. I wouldn't do the C-west logo, so I wonder what else fits good there??? STi logo? [/B][/QUOTE]
I thought an STi badge, WRX badge, or a Subaru vinyl sticker might fit? (I would have given my subaru sticker I have to one of the sac guys with the grill but they all got returned :( )
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wrex Power [/i]
[B]I got mine from vivid and went to test fit it yesterday and it fits perfect. [/B][/QUOTE]
Take some pics for this thread so we can compair.
| Wrex Power | 02-28-2003 01:05 PM |
I'm sorry, my car is put away for the winter and where I store it I don't have full time access. (Located about 20 miles from where I live) I went to test fit it and didn't think to bring my digital. But I can tell you everything looked and fit perfect. One thing I did notice is that on the passenger side, on the second hole in from the headlight the predrilled hole is a few cm off. No big deal though. Here's a pic.
[IMG]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/pcb14f18f1c548544e6c4d623bd835709/fc927313.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid53/pcb14f18f1c548544e6c4d623bd835709/fc927313.jpg[/IMG]
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