| Thabias | 04-28-2003 01:00 PM |
Prodrive uk300 Carbon Fiber Fitment...
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Sup fellas, I just picked up a set of Prodrive's UK300 Carbon Fiber Headlights to put in my '03 WRX Sedan. Does anyone know of any issues with the light not fitting properly? I tried installing the driver's side light and the plastic on the back of the top of the light hits the metal on the inside of the fender, preventing it from going in all the way. This doesn't allow the top-mounted fender bolt hole to line up with the light either making it impossible to install. I was told that this light should be a 'plug and play' for the '01 and up WRX.
Any help would be appreciated!
WRX mods so far: Complete 1000 watt system, tint, whiteline rear swaybar, mrt endlinks, mesh fog covers, Speedline GT One 18" x 7.5 anthracite wheels w/ SO3's, STI Scoop with black mesh.
Planned mods: up/downpipe, M2 muffler, eibach springs, intake, MBC, intercooler, brake kit, pulleys...etc...this is what happens when you don't save your money! peace
Any help would be appreciated!
WRX mods so far: Complete 1000 watt system, tint, whiteline rear swaybar, mrt endlinks, mesh fog covers, Speedline GT One 18" x 7.5 anthracite wheels w/ SO3's, STI Scoop with black mesh.
Planned mods: up/downpipe, M2 muffler, eibach springs, intake, MBC, intercooler, brake kit, pulleys...etc...this is what happens when you don't save your money! peace
| sh25rs | 04-29-2003 12:57 PM |
I just installed a set of carbon UK300s from Vivid Racing and I had the same issue. I just left it with only the two front bolts installed as I could not get the top hole to line up. It seems pretty solid that way. I'm a little disappointed though.
| Thabias | 04-29-2003 01:55 PM |
i talked to vivid this morning....
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They said they've never heard of this problem. I would say you should call them and ask to speak to mike and tell him you have the same issue as scott. I told him I would take digitals of the install and show them exactly what doesn't fit...I'm not crazy am I? There's only a small amount of space to play with and I dont' think there's any other way of getting it in there w/o cutting a slot in the light for that metal piece...
Also, if you only have the 2 front bolts secure, doesn't the rubber around the light stick out in front of the fender and bumper? I thought it should go on the inside....hmmm...
Also, if you only have the 2 front bolts secure, doesn't the rubber around the light stick out in front of the fender and bumper? I thought it should go on the inside....hmmm...
| pleue | 04-29-2003 01:58 PM |
can you guys both post pics up here indicating what the problem looks like? I'm thinking about getting a pair of these but I want to see how they fit, and how the cf looks because I was told it's a little off from real cf? Thanks.
| Thabias | 04-29-2003 02:14 PM |
pics
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hey pleue, I'll try to install them again and I will take detailed pics for you and post them tonight...probably 10pm EST they should be up...If you check out vividracing.com you can see a picture of them under Exterior -> head lights and then scroll down a bit. They look very cool, they just don't fit! what a PITA!
| Thabias | 04-29-2003 08:40 PM |
PICTURES ARE HERE!!!
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Ok guys, I made another attempt, but there's just no way this guy is going in. Here's a link to all the 27 pictures I took. Please check it out and see if I'm doing something wrong. Shoot me an email if you'd like to talk directly. -Scott-
[url]http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b339424484f5[/url]
[url]http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b339424484f5[/url]
| gtguy | 04-29-2003 08:45 PM |
As long as you have lined up the metal post with the hole at the outside of the opening (on the quarter panel), they should fit. Those aren't a Prodrive part, or are they? I'd be surprised at fitment difficulties with a Prodrive part (direct from Prodrive).
Have you tried the other light, to see if just the one is defective?
I just looked at the pics again, and I would bet that you don't have the post in the hole. If that doesn't happen, nothing lines up properly. The hole for the bolt isn't where it needs to be, and you get the gap at the light/frame interface, because it isn't sitting right.
Unfortunately, there's no way to know it's going in the hole, until it's in, since the light housing gets in the way of the view.
Kevin
Have you tried the other light, to see if just the one is defective?
I just looked at the pics again, and I would bet that you don't have the post in the hole. If that doesn't happen, nothing lines up properly. The hole for the bolt isn't where it needs to be, and you get the gap at the light/frame interface, because it isn't sitting right.
Unfortunately, there's no way to know it's going in the hole, until it's in, since the light housing gets in the way of the view.
Kevin
| Thabias | 04-29-2003 08:49 PM |
hey kevin
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No, it's not a prodrive part I found out. It's made by Triplus and I bought them from vividracing... those pictures of the uk300 in place have everything lined up the way it should be...there's very little room to play around as you can see...they say Plug and Play so i'm not sure if it doesn't fit b/c it's the carbon fiber model as opposed to the gloss black model...maybe they have different dimensions? I didn't try the other light but actually i'll run out now and try it....i'll repost shortly...
hmm I could swear it's in the hole...if it wasn't going in the whole, the gap between the weather stripping and the outside of the car would be greater, dont' you think? i'll go try the other light...brb
hmm I could swear it's in the hole...if it wasn't going in the whole, the gap between the weather stripping and the outside of the car would be greater, dont' you think? i'll go try the other light...brb
| Thabias | 04-29-2003 09:27 PM |
final analysis
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OK, I tried both lights, the pins are totally lined up b/c I feel them go in like 1/4 of an inch and then the metal frame hits the light It's both lights, although the gap isn't as bad on the passenger side, but there still is no way that 3rd top bolt is going to ever get in there....very unhappy. I don't know I just don't trust 2 bolts holding it in there...any thoughts? -Scott-
ps - thanks for all your guys' time...
ps - thanks for all your guys' time...
| gtguy | 04-29-2003 11:04 PM |
Sounds like something's weird. What should happen is that the pin should go into the hole, and the weatherstripping will lay flush with against the opening. From that point it's a no-brainer.
I'd get hold of the vendor. Sounds like you have a bum set.
Kevin
I'd get hold of the vendor. Sounds like you have a bum set.
Kevin
| Thabias | 04-29-2003 11:35 PM |
hmm
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well if you look at the second post in this thread from sh25rs, he had the same problem...i sent the pics to vivid and the issue and i'll hopefully have them ship out a new set, and if that fails i'll just get the gloss black set....sucks that i'm in NY and they're in AZ...hrmph....thanks for your input Kevin. -peace
| shinobi | 04-29-2003 11:38 PM |
Same Problem also...
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I had the same problem with my UK300/TriPlus lights also. Mine came off Ebay from Wim Wellinghoff direct from the factory that makes these lights. What I had to do is put that top corner bolt in first by tilting the lights out and away from the front end of the car and sliding it in far enough to get that bolt started. Once you get that done, then you face another problem, getting the front top bolt in that attaches near the grill on the lights. The problem is that the bolt does not seem long enough once you attach the other 2 bolts holding the light in. It took one person to screw it in while 2 others pushed the light in towards the engine to close the gap enough to make the bolt reach the threads to attach. Hope this helps.
Colin
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| Thabias | 04-30-2003 12:43 AM |
Thanks Colin...
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I just wonder if the extra stress on the light housing will do any damage in the long run...how long ago did u install it? Have u had any problems with cracking or anything like that?
Also, do you know if the non carbon fiber triplus lights (the gloss black) have the same issue? I'm ready to go with those - that last thing I need/want is to bust these lights and then be stuck with them if they won't work out....i'll try what u said though...thanks man. -peace
Also, do you know if the non carbon fiber triplus lights (the gloss black) have the same issue? I'm ready to go with those - that last thing I need/want is to bust these lights and then be stuck with them if they won't work out....i'll try what u said though...thanks man. -peace
| gtguy | 04-30-2003 09:14 AM |
Re: Thanks Colin...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]Also, do you know if the non carbon fiber triplus lights (the gloss black) have the same issue? I'm ready to go with those - that last thing I need/want is to bust these lights and then be stuck with them if they won't work out....i'll try what u said though...thanks man. -peace [/B][/QUOTE]
I have the Prodrive lights (from Prodrive, shipped in Prodrive box, etc...as diffrentiated from other variants), and they fit perfectly. It was a 15-minute swap.
Kevin
[B]Also, do you know if the non carbon fiber triplus lights (the gloss black) have the same issue? I'm ready to go with those - that last thing I need/want is to bust these lights and then be stuck with them if they won't work out....i'll try what u said though...thanks man. -peace [/B][/QUOTE]
I have the Prodrive lights (from Prodrive, shipped in Prodrive box, etc...as diffrentiated from other variants), and they fit perfectly. It was a 15-minute swap.
Kevin
| Thabias | 04-30-2003 12:36 PM |
HERE'S VIVID'S EXPLANATION ON HOW TO DO IT:
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I talked to one of the guys at vivid and this is what he said:
"I talked to one of the tech guys and he tells me that they will fit and yes, they are a bit of a hassle. He says that the top and side of the light have to go in first and then the bottom of the light needs to be angled and tweeked a little to fit. There sould be a groove on the side of the light that fits into the side frame portion of the fender. He also says that it's the same for all the JDM lights and there's no difference between the fitment of the carbon vs the black. He says, the STI lights are also the same for installation. Don't fret, they will go in. If you still need help,
call in..."
SO, I will try this again tonight and post the results. Hope this helps the few that had the same problem. -Peace
"I talked to one of the tech guys and he tells me that they will fit and yes, they are a bit of a hassle. He says that the top and side of the light have to go in first and then the bottom of the light needs to be angled and tweeked a little to fit. There sould be a groove on the side of the light that fits into the side frame portion of the fender. He also says that it's the same for all the JDM lights and there's no difference between the fitment of the carbon vs the black. He says, the STI lights are also the same for installation. Don't fret, they will go in. If you still need help,
call in..."
SO, I will try this again tonight and post the results. Hope this helps the few that had the same problem. -Peace
| jagcars26 | 04-30-2003 01:49 PM |
These are the Prodrive replica knockoffs,,I woudnt believe what Vivid said about the fitment issues.Ive had the real Prodrive,Morretes,and now the JDM STi lights on my car and they all fit perfectly with no hassles or fitment issues.Like Kevin said ,,a 15 min swap, tops!
Send em back and get some that fit.
Rudy
Vivid is BSing you:rolleyes:
Send em back and get some that fit.
Rudy
Vivid is BSing you:rolleyes:
| Thabias | 04-30-2003 01:51 PM |
Yeah I just didn't want the hassle of shipping them back and then waiting to get a refund and then dealing with that, but I think you might have talked me into it...
Do you know if you can just ship something back and have the company pay for the shipping so you don't have to? Or am I going to have to pay shipping...it's from NY to freakin AZ....sucks...Thanks.
Do you know if you can just ship something back and have the company pay for the shipping so you don't have to? Or am I going to have to pay shipping...it's from NY to freakin AZ....sucks...Thanks.
| gtguy | 04-30-2003 02:47 PM |
Jagcars is right. Vivid is throwing you a line. The beauty of STi, or Prodrive lights (or parts, for that matter) is that they are OE or better than OE quality in both fit and finish. No wiggling, no lining grooves up, no "angling and tweeking." That's ridiculous for a part that costs that kind of money.
Kevin
Kevin
| Thabias | 04-30-2003 02:51 PM |
Yeah you guys are right, for another 100 or so bucks I can get the real thing and that's probably better in the long run. Thanks for your input.
-scott-
Actually I just talked to vivid and they said if I wanted to return it it's a 35% restocking fee...what kind of crap is that....I told him they don't fit and he said, "they do fit, you just have to work it in there" So I told him that's not "plug and play". So we went back and forth and I'm not paying 200+ bucks to unload them...I guess I could always fight with my credit card company about it, but either way that's a hassle. @#$%#@! Dammit, so I guess I'll try installing them this way...sucks
-scott-
Actually I just talked to vivid and they said if I wanted to return it it's a 35% restocking fee...what kind of crap is that....I told him they don't fit and he said, "they do fit, you just have to work it in there" So I told him that's not "plug and play". So we went back and forth and I'm not paying 200+ bucks to unload them...I guess I could always fight with my credit card company about it, but either way that's a hassle. @#$%#@! Dammit, so I guess I'll try installing them this way...sucks
| jagcars26 | 04-30-2003 04:24 PM |
If you put it on yr credit card,,you have rights,,call your CC company tell them the goods werent as promised.They should go to bat fr you not fight you.
Vivid strikes gain:rolleyes:
Rudy
Vivid strikes gain:rolleyes:
Rudy
| thrdeye | 04-30-2003 04:35 PM |
Yeah, if they are not as advertised then your CC Co. should get it taken care of. There is no way I would put up with that. Something that costs that much should be PERFECT. Don't let them jerk you around.
| LinuxGuy | 04-30-2003 07:19 PM |
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Vivid does it again with the exceptional customer service :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Besides the Genuine STi and Genuine Prodrive lights, Morettes fit like an OE part.
Besides the Genuine STi and Genuine Prodrive lights, Morettes fit like an OE part.
| Oo DaRk StAr oO | 04-30-2003 07:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LinuxGuy [/i]
[B]:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Vivid does it again with the exceptional customer service :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Besides the Genuine STi and Genuine Prodrive lights, Morettes fit like an OE part. [/B][/QUOTE]
w3rd
[B]:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Vivid does it again with the exceptional customer service :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Besides the Genuine STi and Genuine Prodrive lights, Morettes fit like an OE part. [/B][/QUOTE]
w3rd
| gtguy | 04-30-2003 09:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]Yeah you guys are right, for another 100 or so bucks I can get the real thing and that's probably better in the long run. Thanks for your input.
-scott-
Actually I just talked to vivid and they said if I wanted to return it it's a 35% restocking fee...what kind of crap is that....I told him they don't fit and he said, "they do fit, you just have to work it in there" So I told him that's not "plug and play". So we went back and forth and I'm not paying 200+ bucks to unload them...I guess I could always fight with my credit card company about it, but either way that's a hassle. @#$%#@! Dammit, so I guess I'll try installing them this way...sucks [/B][/QUOTE]
That is outrageous. I would box the lights up, call my CC company and decline the charge. It's worth the hassle to deal with an atrocious vendor.
I remember dealing with Mike Shields at SPD Tuning. He sold me some Eibach Pro-Kit springs that dropped my Legacy GT wagon way more than advertised. He took the springs back and credited my charge card, no problems, no hassle. Vivid's behavior is appalling and frankly, unbelievable.
Kevin
[B]Yeah you guys are right, for another 100 or so bucks I can get the real thing and that's probably better in the long run. Thanks for your input.
-scott-
Actually I just talked to vivid and they said if I wanted to return it it's a 35% restocking fee...what kind of crap is that....I told him they don't fit and he said, "they do fit, you just have to work it in there" So I told him that's not "plug and play". So we went back and forth and I'm not paying 200+ bucks to unload them...I guess I could always fight with my credit card company about it, but either way that's a hassle. @#$%#@! Dammit, so I guess I'll try installing them this way...sucks [/B][/QUOTE]
That is outrageous. I would box the lights up, call my CC company and decline the charge. It's worth the hassle to deal with an atrocious vendor.
I remember dealing with Mike Shields at SPD Tuning. He sold me some Eibach Pro-Kit springs that dropped my Legacy GT wagon way more than advertised. He took the springs back and credited my charge card, no problems, no hassle. Vivid's behavior is appalling and frankly, unbelievable.
Kevin
| Thabias | 05-01-2003 12:25 AM |
ok check this out
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I got vivid on the phone, spoke to Mike from vivid and I was actually trying to do the install with him on the phone cuz he said he'd talk me through it. I get the light connected up and it's sitting in the fender. Now I swear, the pin was in the hole and the 90 degree metal piece that holds the bolt hole on the fender was blocking the back of the light by about 1/4". Get this, he tells me that I have to push the light and I quote you, "until you feel like it is going to break and then it should "pop" over the metal piece" Now are ya kidding me?? I said to him, "I'm pushing the light with pretty good force and it's not budging at all. I don't care what you're telling me that other's fit, this one isn't fitting and for almost 700 bucks you're out of your mind if you think I'm going to push this "until it feels like it's going to break"??" So he says he's going to get me pictures of what his friend's car that has the same lights installed in it looks like.
He tells me I have 2 options, I can exchange them for another set, of course they don't have another of these, or i can return them for a 35% restocking fee, not to mention the shipping.
So I ask you guys, 1) if I do ship them back, how do I not pay for the shipping and 2) how do I get out of the restocking fee? I have disputed charges before so I know what to do on that end and I guess if I just charge the shipping and they'll probably charge the restocking fee, I just dispute that then right? I'll make a call tomorrow. Now I'm pissed!
Thanks again, I'm going to spread the word about this. You're right Kevin, it's unbelievable.
-scott-
He tells me I have 2 options, I can exchange them for another set, of course they don't have another of these, or i can return them for a 35% restocking fee, not to mention the shipping.
So I ask you guys, 1) if I do ship them back, how do I not pay for the shipping and 2) how do I get out of the restocking fee? I have disputed charges before so I know what to do on that end and I guess if I just charge the shipping and they'll probably charge the restocking fee, I just dispute that then right? I'll make a call tomorrow. Now I'm pissed!
Thanks again, I'm going to spread the word about this. You're right Kevin, it's unbelievable.
-scott-
| N'CTRL | 05-01-2003 01:14 AM |
Hi Scott. :D
Didn't I warn you about Vivid. Call me sometime tomorrow and I will come over and see if I can help you out.
Mike~~
Didn't I warn you about Vivid. Call me sometime tomorrow and I will come over and see if I can help you out.
Mike~~
| LinuxGuy | 05-01-2003 08:22 AM |
Re: ok check this out
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]I got vivid on the phone, spoke to Mike from vivid and I was actually trying to do the install with him on the phone cuz he said he'd talk me through it. I get the light connected up and it's sitting in the fender. Now I swear, the pin was in the hole and the 90 degree metal piece that holds the bolt hole on the fender was blocking the back of the light by about 1/4". Get this, he tells me that I have to push the light and I quote you, "until you feel like it is going to break and then it should "pop" over the metal piece" Now are ya kidding me?? I said to him, "I'm pushing the light with pretty good force and it's not budging at all. I don't care what you're telling me that other's fit, this one isn't fitting and for almost 700 bucks you're out of your mind if you think I'm going to push this "until it feels like it's going to break"??" So he says he's going to get me pictures of what his friend's car that has the same lights installed in it looks like.
He tells me I have 2 options, I can exchange them for another set, of course they don't have another of these, or i can return them for a 35% restocking fee, not to mention the shipping.
So I ask you guys, 1) if I do ship them back, how do I not pay for the shipping and 2) how do I get out of the restocking fee? I have disputed charges before so I know what to do on that end and I guess if I just charge the shipping and they'll probably charge the restocking fee, I just dispute that then right? I'll make a call tomorrow. Now I'm pissed!
Thanks again, I'm going to spread the word about this. You're right Kevin, it's unbelievable.
-scott- [/B][/QUOTE]
Essecially, hes right, line it up with the nylon bushing, and give it a gentle but yet, forceable push. (same type of installation guidelines as morettes)
Heres what you do, pop off the side marker lamp and stick a flashlight in there, that will give you a good view of the nylon bushing and where the brass rod is, if it did infact pop in, you should see it surpass the nylon bushing, if there still not fitting up, you have grounds to return them now.
But they really do need a good gentle forceable push, if they break (which I highly doubt), send them back and get another pair :)
[B]I got vivid on the phone, spoke to Mike from vivid and I was actually trying to do the install with him on the phone cuz he said he'd talk me through it. I get the light connected up and it's sitting in the fender. Now I swear, the pin was in the hole and the 90 degree metal piece that holds the bolt hole on the fender was blocking the back of the light by about 1/4". Get this, he tells me that I have to push the light and I quote you, "until you feel like it is going to break and then it should "pop" over the metal piece" Now are ya kidding me?? I said to him, "I'm pushing the light with pretty good force and it's not budging at all. I don't care what you're telling me that other's fit, this one isn't fitting and for almost 700 bucks you're out of your mind if you think I'm going to push this "until it feels like it's going to break"??" So he says he's going to get me pictures of what his friend's car that has the same lights installed in it looks like.
He tells me I have 2 options, I can exchange them for another set, of course they don't have another of these, or i can return them for a 35% restocking fee, not to mention the shipping.
So I ask you guys, 1) if I do ship them back, how do I not pay for the shipping and 2) how do I get out of the restocking fee? I have disputed charges before so I know what to do on that end and I guess if I just charge the shipping and they'll probably charge the restocking fee, I just dispute that then right? I'll make a call tomorrow. Now I'm pissed!
Thanks again, I'm going to spread the word about this. You're right Kevin, it's unbelievable.
-scott- [/B][/QUOTE]
Essecially, hes right, line it up with the nylon bushing, and give it a gentle but yet, forceable push. (same type of installation guidelines as morettes)
Heres what you do, pop off the side marker lamp and stick a flashlight in there, that will give you a good view of the nylon bushing and where the brass rod is, if it did infact pop in, you should see it surpass the nylon bushing, if there still not fitting up, you have grounds to return them now.
But they really do need a good gentle forceable push, if they break (which I highly doubt), send them back and get another pair :)
| Thabias | 05-01-2003 09:33 AM |
Hey LinuxGuy
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I had the pin lined up. Did you see the pictures I posted earlier on? The pin goes in the hole, but only until the top of the light hits the metal bracket that supports the fender bolt hole. I leaned all my weight on the outer side of the light and it didn't budge. Definitely felt like the plastic would crack if I pushed any harder. I'm not an idiot (ok maybe only for ordering through this company, but...) the lights were supposed to be "plug and play" and fit like the stock ones do or better. The stock lights don't have a lip that requires you to use "breakable force" to put it in and obviously they cost less. Lights that cost that much should go in like butter IMO. Either way, vivid said if I want to return them I'd have to pay a 35% restocking fee even for something that was not promised like the install of these lights. The lights should be a 15 min swap, as Kevin put it earlier, not days of trial and error after the installation manual didn't help. I will try one more time (with your help Mike :) , but if they don't work I'm calling the CC company. I'll call ya later Mike.
-Scott-
-Scott-
| gtguy | 05-01-2003 12:17 PM |
Thabias, I wouldn't even worry about shipping at this point. You want to get those lights back to them as quickly as possible, unmarred. He's telling you to jam the light in there, which will almost certainly mar the light, which means they would then be unreturnable.
Kevin
Kevin
| Thabias | 05-01-2003 01:00 PM |
What about LinuxGuy's post?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LinuxGuy [/i]
[B]
Essecially, hes right, line it up with the nylon bushing, and give it a gentle but yet, forceable push. (same type of installation guidelines as morettes)
Heres what you do, pop off the side marker lamp and stick a flashlight in there, that will give you a good view of the nylon bushing and where the brass rod is, if it did infact pop in, you should see it surpass the nylon bushing, if there still not fitting up, you have grounds to return them now.
But they really do need a good gentle forceable push, if they break (which I highly doubt), send them back and get another pair :) [/B][/QUOTE]
After reading this, it makes me think maybe they are supposed to be installed in this manner. I'll have my friend come look at it, if he agrees that it should go back, then I'll send them back and get the real prodrive's which is what I thought they were in the first place...guess i didn't do enough research. I just don't want to pay a 35% restocking fee. I still don't know how to get around that...:(
[B]
Essecially, hes right, line it up with the nylon bushing, and give it a gentle but yet, forceable push. (same type of installation guidelines as morettes)
Heres what you do, pop off the side marker lamp and stick a flashlight in there, that will give you a good view of the nylon bushing and where the brass rod is, if it did infact pop in, you should see it surpass the nylon bushing, if there still not fitting up, you have grounds to return them now.
But they really do need a good gentle forceable push, if they break (which I highly doubt), send them back and get another pair :) [/B][/QUOTE]
After reading this, it makes me think maybe they are supposed to be installed in this manner. I'll have my friend come look at it, if he agrees that it should go back, then I'll send them back and get the real prodrive's which is what I thought they were in the first place...guess i didn't do enough research. I just don't want to pay a 35% restocking fee. I still don't know how to get around that...:(
| gtguy | 05-01-2003 05:28 PM |
Re: What about LinuxGuy's post?
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After reading this, it makes me think maybe they are supposed to be installed in this manner. I'll have my friend come look at it, if he agrees that it should go back, then I'll send them back and get the real prodrive's which is what I thought they were in the first place...guess i didn't do enough research. I just don't want to pay a 35% restocking fee. I still don't know how to get around that...:( [/B][/QUOTE]
Whoa, there, wee hopper. He's right in that you push the guide pin into the nylon bushing. But that shouldn't require very much force at all. It should slide right in and further, when the pin goes in, the light should be perfectly lined up so that all you have to do is put the bolts back in. That's how my Prodrive lights are. No shoving, no forcing, no fiddling.
Kevin
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After reading this, it makes me think maybe they are supposed to be installed in this manner. I'll have my friend come look at it, if he agrees that it should go back, then I'll send them back and get the real prodrive's which is what I thought they were in the first place...guess i didn't do enough research. I just don't want to pay a 35% restocking fee. I still don't know how to get around that...:( [/B][/QUOTE]
Whoa, there, wee hopper. He's right in that you push the guide pin into the nylon bushing. But that shouldn't require very much force at all. It should slide right in and further, when the pin goes in, the light should be perfectly lined up so that all you have to do is put the bolts back in. That's how my Prodrive lights are. No shoving, no forcing, no fiddling.
Kevin
| Thabias | 05-01-2003 05:32 PM |
Yeah, I hear ya. That's how they should be, IMO. I talked to vivid again, I wrote this whole thing out and I told them that either they go in easy or i'm returning them and you can do one of two options: 1) order me prodrive lights (the real deal) and i'll just exchange and pay the difference or 2) just take the lights back w/ no restocking charge...so we'll see what happens...I'm going to try again tonight with my friend mike and maybe they'll go in (yeah right! :))...If you don't mind, how much did your prodrive's cost you shipped? Thanks.
| gtguy | 05-01-2003 10:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]If you don't mind, how much did your prodrive's cost you shipped? Thanks. [/B][/QUOTE]
IIRC, mine were in the $600 range (I forget the exact amount), way back when. They're crazy expensive now.
Kevin
[B]If you don't mind, how much did your prodrive's cost you shipped? Thanks. [/B][/QUOTE]
IIRC, mine were in the $600 range (I forget the exact amount), way back when. They're crazy expensive now.
Kevin
| xstar | 05-02-2003 01:23 AM |
Re: Re: What about LinuxGuy's post?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
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Whoa, there, wee hopper. He's right in that you push the guide pin into the nylon bushing. But that shouldn't require very much force at all. It should slide right in and further, when the pin goes in, the light should be perfectly lined up so that all you have to do is put the bolts back in. That's how my Prodrive lights are. No shoving, no forcing, no fiddling.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I can second gtguys instructions. I have installed and reinstalled my Prodive headlights many times, a gentle push is all that is required "to guide the pin into the bushing".
Like everyone else, I am appalled at Vivid's business practices. Unfortunately, they do post the "restocking fee" on their webpage. Of course, it's not mentioned when you buy something... :rolleyes:
Here's my story. I almost bought a set of used STi suspension from them. Before the suspension arrived, I changed my mind. So there's nothing to restock. But I was still charged a "restocking fee" :rolleyes: ...
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Whoa, there, wee hopper. He's right in that you push the guide pin into the nylon bushing. But that shouldn't require very much force at all. It should slide right in and further, when the pin goes in, the light should be perfectly lined up so that all you have to do is put the bolts back in. That's how my Prodrive lights are. No shoving, no forcing, no fiddling.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I can second gtguys instructions. I have installed and reinstalled my Prodive headlights many times, a gentle push is all that is required "to guide the pin into the bushing".
Like everyone else, I am appalled at Vivid's business practices. Unfortunately, they do post the "restocking fee" on their webpage. Of course, it's not mentioned when you buy something... :rolleyes:
Here's my story. I almost bought a set of used STi suspension from them. Before the suspension arrived, I changed my mind. So there's nothing to restock. But I was still charged a "restocking fee" :rolleyes: ...
| Thabias | 05-02-2003 08:58 AM |
restocking fee
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Hey xstar,
What about if you bought over the phone? I never went to the website to order, I was a complete phone order. Mike told me they're direct drop ins or plug and play units and never mentioned a restocking fee till I told him I would probably return it. How is that even binding? Don't they have to orally tell you? It wasn't on any contract or anything.
Anyawy, I AM returning the lights and I called my credit card company about this. I will let you guys know what happens.
-Scott-
What about if you bought over the phone? I never went to the website to order, I was a complete phone order. Mike told me they're direct drop ins or plug and play units and never mentioned a restocking fee till I told him I would probably return it. How is that even binding? Don't they have to orally tell you? It wasn't on any contract or anything.
Anyawy, I AM returning the lights and I called my credit card company about this. I will let you guys know what happens.
-Scott-
| xstar | 05-02-2003 10:37 AM |
just let your credit card company know about what you just posted (Bad product + Vivid neglected to mention restocking fee at time of phone purchase). I think you can use that to plead your case.
Another person now has enjoyed the Vivid Experience. *sigh*
Another person now has enjoyed the Vivid Experience. *sigh*
| Wrxified | 05-16-2003 02:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jagcars26 [/i]
[B]These are the Prodrive replica knockoffs,,I woudnt believe what Vivid said about the fitment issues.Ive had the real Prodrive,Morretes,and now the JDM STi lights on my car and they all fit perfectly with no hassles or fitment issues.Like Kevin said ,,a 15 min swap, tops!
Send em back and get some that fit.
Rudy
Vivid is BSing you:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Who do you think makes the [url=www.triplus-euro.co.uk]Prodrive Lights[/url]? I've heard Triplus in the UK is the supplier. You do know that Prodrive doesn't manufacture anything right?
Prodrive Springs - Eibach
Prodrive ECU - ECUTEK
Prodrive Mufflers - Scorpion
Prodrive Lights - Triplus
[B]These are the Prodrive replica knockoffs,,I woudnt believe what Vivid said about the fitment issues.Ive had the real Prodrive,Morretes,and now the JDM STi lights on my car and they all fit perfectly with no hassles or fitment issues.Like Kevin said ,,a 15 min swap, tops!
Send em back and get some that fit.
Rudy
Vivid is BSing you:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Who do you think makes the [url=www.triplus-euro.co.uk]Prodrive Lights[/url]? I've heard Triplus in the UK is the supplier. You do know that Prodrive doesn't manufacture anything right?
Prodrive Springs - Eibach
Prodrive ECU - ECUTEK
Prodrive Mufflers - Scorpion
Prodrive Lights - Triplus
| Thabias | 05-16-2003 02:03 PM |
almost at the end
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Well, I called my credit card company and shipped the lights back 2 weeks ago and am waiting to see what happens...i haven't heard anything from vivid yet and have yet to see anything posted to my credit card...I am interested in the genuine prodrive lights if anyone has prices and other info on where to get. Thanks for all the support and information fellas - Peace
| Wrxified | 05-16-2003 02:17 PM |
Re: almost at the end
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]Well, I called my credit card company and shipped the lights back 2 weeks ago and am waiting to see what happens...i haven't heard anything from vivid yet and have yet to see anything posted to my credit card...I am interested in the genuine prodrive lights if anyone has prices and other info on where to get. Thanks for all the support and information fellas - Peace [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude I'm telling you it's the same light. Triplus MAKES THE PRODRIVE HEADLAMP. You're going to get the Prodrive light, go to install it and then realize you have the same problem. They are right. It's all how you angle the light in there. We had the same problem with my friends car with the UK 300. We tried for 20 minutes. I was ready to kick the front of the car in. All of a sudden he tilted in one direction and then anothere and it literally fell into place. We went to do the other light and after a couple minutes of angling it the same thing. The bottom pin near the outside of the car isn't getting in the whole. And the problem is that by looking at it from the outside you can't tell.
[B]Well, I called my credit card company and shipped the lights back 2 weeks ago and am waiting to see what happens...i haven't heard anything from vivid yet and have yet to see anything posted to my credit card...I am interested in the genuine prodrive lights if anyone has prices and other info on where to get. Thanks for all the support and information fellas - Peace [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude I'm telling you it's the same light. Triplus MAKES THE PRODRIVE HEADLAMP. You're going to get the Prodrive light, go to install it and then realize you have the same problem. They are right. It's all how you angle the light in there. We had the same problem with my friends car with the UK 300. We tried for 20 minutes. I was ready to kick the front of the car in. All of a sudden he tilted in one direction and then anothere and it literally fell into place. We went to do the other light and after a couple minutes of angling it the same thing. The bottom pin near the outside of the car isn't getting in the whole. And the problem is that by looking at it from the outside you can't tell.
| Thabias | 05-16-2003 02:24 PM |
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wrxified, i had 3 different people who have wrx's try and there's no way it would fit...not in this 03 anyway...maybe your's is different or maybe it's mine that's different....these were the carbon fiber replicas....i don't care if you had to angle or twist them or put sever pressure on them, that's not how they were advertised - plug and play and an easy swap...if you have to angle them everytime you need to adjust or take them out, they're going to get broken by "popping" that plastic edge over the fender frame....the lights shouldn't have to be angled and i'm told that the real lights, whatever they are, fit like a glove and do not require this force to be applied. In any case, I want what they advertised, not what they shipped me.
| Wrxified | 05-16-2003 02:43 PM |
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Just trying to help. I'm just telling you positively that they are the same frame. If you had problems with these the frame is exactly the same on the Prodrive so maybe the JDM, Morettes, or something else. Prodrive lists them as easy fit too.....but it still remains the same fact. Prodrive gets them direct from Triplus in the UK and puts the Prodrive logo on it.
I can relate to what you're saying cause we had the same issue like I said. And I was getting ticked just trying to get it to fit. But once we realized the issue the second light went in relatively easy. And we didn't crack or break anything. And no it didn't require severe pressure or for however I felt like using minor pressure with the ball of my foot. Finesse is the key here. You sorta have to angle the outside portion of the light in and down and get that prong to set first then rotate the inside portion of the light in and down following the same path. What's strange is you didn't have the same problem with you stock light when you put it back in cause it sorta requires the same route.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]wrxified, i had 3 different people who have wrx's try and there's no way it would fit...not in this 03 anyway...maybe your's is different or maybe it's mine that's different....these were the carbon fiber replicas....i don't care if you had to angle or twist them or put sever pressure on them, that's not how they were advertised - plug and play and an easy swap...if you have to angle them everytime you need to adjust or take them out, they're going to get broken by "popping" that plastic edge over the fender frame....the lights shouldn't have to be angled and i'm told that the real lights, whatever they are, fit like a glove and do not require this force to be applied. In any case, I want what they advertised, not what they shipped me. [/B][/QUOTE]
I can relate to what you're saying cause we had the same issue like I said. And I was getting ticked just trying to get it to fit. But once we realized the issue the second light went in relatively easy. And we didn't crack or break anything. And no it didn't require severe pressure or for however I felt like using minor pressure with the ball of my foot. Finesse is the key here. You sorta have to angle the outside portion of the light in and down and get that prong to set first then rotate the inside portion of the light in and down following the same path. What's strange is you didn't have the same problem with you stock light when you put it back in cause it sorta requires the same route.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Thabias [/i]
[B]wrxified, i had 3 different people who have wrx's try and there's no way it would fit...not in this 03 anyway...maybe your's is different or maybe it's mine that's different....these were the carbon fiber replicas....i don't care if you had to angle or twist them or put sever pressure on them, that's not how they were advertised - plug and play and an easy swap...if you have to angle them everytime you need to adjust or take them out, they're going to get broken by "popping" that plastic edge over the fender frame....the lights shouldn't have to be angled and i'm told that the real lights, whatever they are, fit like a glove and do not require this force to be applied. In any case, I want what they advertised, not what they shipped me. [/B][/QUOTE]
| Wrxified | 05-16-2003 02:51 PM |
Also, it looks like this is relatively common because Triplus created these directions to ensure it's done correctly. They mention popping out the side reflector so you can peek in the side from behind to make sure it's seated correctly. Vivid lists these right on the site too.
Headlamp installation care points
1) Lamp Installation.
Three initial requirements.
The location pin (1) must be pushed into the nylon bush in the inner wing (2), whilst at the same time ensuring that the out board seal (3) is positioned in place behind the outer wing lip. Ensure also that the top mounting bracket (4) is positioned under the top mounting hole.
2) Ease the lamp into its correct position by gently pushing home, taking special care that the outboard seal is seated behind the wing panel and that the front edge sits neatly in place.
3) The correct location pin position can be checked by removing the side reflector in the fender, and viewing the back of the headlamp if required. The end of the location pin should be at least flush with the back of the nylon bush.
Headlamp installation care points
1) Lamp Installation.
Three initial requirements.
The location pin (1) must be pushed into the nylon bush in the inner wing (2), whilst at the same time ensuring that the out board seal (3) is positioned in place behind the outer wing lip. Ensure also that the top mounting bracket (4) is positioned under the top mounting hole.
2) Ease the lamp into its correct position by gently pushing home, taking special care that the outboard seal is seated behind the wing panel and that the front edge sits neatly in place.
3) The correct location pin position can be checked by removing the side reflector in the fender, and viewing the back of the headlamp if required. The end of the location pin should be at least flush with the back of the nylon bush.
| Thabias | 05-16-2003 03:30 PM |
Actually, I had the side marker off, had the pin lined up perfectly, and when I "gently pushed it home" the metal frame stopped it after less than a 1/4". if you scroll up you can see i have pictures of it in grave detail. You can even read the conversation I had with them on the phone while I was installing them. The instructions do not say on them to "push with force great enough that you think it's going to break and then it will pop over the metal piece" Think about it, if it requires that much force to get in, ya think you're ever going to get them out easily? Either way it's a crappy designed replica that was made improperly. I will get the real ones soon and I guarantee you, they drop right in like many people have already stated from personal experience. -Thabs-
| Wrxified | 05-16-2003 10:16 PM |
I saw your pictures. You have way too much weather stripping showing on the bottom. Most of it tucks up in the well with a little showing. You had your entire weather stipping on the bottom side showingwhen it's in place. Either way you are working to correct it and I was just offering advice which it appears you're right and I'm wrong so sorry it didn't work out for you.
| Thabias | 05-16-2003 10:20 PM |
It's all good. Like I said before, I thank you for your advice. I just feel like I've tried everything with these lights and I'm done messing with almost $700 lights. For that much money, Kevin's right, they should fit better than OEM lights. If anything good comes out of this, I'd say never get replicas, only the real thing. Pay whatever extra money it costs if you really want it, cuz this isn't worth it. -thabs-
| Arnie | 05-17-2003 03:23 AM |
Re: Re: almost at the end
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wrxified [/i]
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Dude I'm telling you it's the same light. Triplus MAKES THE PRODRIVE HEADLAMP. You're going to get the Prodrive light, go to install it and then realize you have the same problem. They are right. It's all how you angle the light in there. We had the same problem with my friends car with the UK 300. We tried for 20 minutes. I was ready to kick the front of the car in. All of a sudden he tilted in one direction and then anothere and it literally fell into place. We went to do the other light and after a couple minutes of angling it the same thing. The bottom pin near the outside of the car isn't getting in the whole. And the problem is that by looking at it from the outside you can't tell. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're mistaken.
A quote from Simon Lines from Prodrive regarding Triplus "affiliation":
Our parts are not made by that company, they are remarkably similar, they are sold as "Prodrive's" or "UK300's" and our's were in the market place first...
I leave you all to draw your own conclusions
Simon
the thread: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238561[/url]
[B]
Dude I'm telling you it's the same light. Triplus MAKES THE PRODRIVE HEADLAMP. You're going to get the Prodrive light, go to install it and then realize you have the same problem. They are right. It's all how you angle the light in there. We had the same problem with my friends car with the UK 300. We tried for 20 minutes. I was ready to kick the front of the car in. All of a sudden he tilted in one direction and then anothere and it literally fell into place. We went to do the other light and after a couple minutes of angling it the same thing. The bottom pin near the outside of the car isn't getting in the whole. And the problem is that by looking at it from the outside you can't tell. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're mistaken.
A quote from Simon Lines from Prodrive regarding Triplus "affiliation":
Our parts are not made by that company, they are remarkably similar, they are sold as "Prodrive's" or "UK300's" and our's were in the market place first...
I leave you all to draw your own conclusions
Simon
the thread: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238561[/url]
| Wrxified | 05-17-2003 08:35 AM |
Re: Re: Re: almost at the end
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*Insert foot in mouth here* I guess I stand corrected. This is the first time I've heard differently and since it's coming from Simon Lines you can't agrue that. Vivid is telling everyone that Triplus is the supplier to Prodrive for the headlights. I'd be interested in emailing to Triplus to see who they concur with. It made perfect sense seeing they look identical, both use leveling motors, have Hella optics and so on. That along with the fact Prodrive doesn't manufacture any parts themselves. I'm on a hunt now.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arnie [/i]
[B]
You're mistaken.
A quote from Simon Lines from Prodrive regarding Triplus "affiliation":
Our parts are not made by that company, they are remarkably similar, they are sold as "Prodrive's" or "UK300's" and our's were in the market place first...
I leave you all to draw your own conclusions
Simon
the thread: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238561[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Arnie [/i]
[B]
You're mistaken.
A quote from Simon Lines from Prodrive regarding Triplus "affiliation":
Our parts are not made by that company, they are remarkably similar, they are sold as "Prodrive's" or "UK300's" and our's were in the market place first...
I leave you all to draw your own conclusions
Simon
the thread: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=238561[/url] [/B][/QUOTE]
| Arnie | 05-17-2003 12:28 PM |
Who know's! maybe he has to say that, production secrets and all. if you find anything, let us know.
| gtguy | 05-17-2003 02:25 PM |
I would doubt that Triplus makes the Prodrive lights. If they did, there wouldn't be any fitment problems with the Triplus lights, as there are not with the Prodrives.
To reiterate, installing the Prodrives is as simple as lining up the pin with the hole. Do that, press in, and everything lines up, from weatherstripping to bolt holes. It's a no-brainer install, with no jiggering, or moving, or whatever.
Kevin
To reiterate, installing the Prodrives is as simple as lining up the pin with the hole. Do that, press in, and everything lines up, from weatherstripping to bolt holes. It's a no-brainer install, with no jiggering, or moving, or whatever.
Kevin
| jagcars26 | 05-17-2003 04:29 PM |
I remember when Vivid first started selling these,, When asked, they(Vivid) wouldn't confirm or deny wether or not they were real carbon fiber or an overlay when asked by many potential customers:rolleyes:
Like myself and others have said,real Prodrive stuff,works well and fits usually perfectly.Very similar to STi stuff;)
Hope you get your money back or the real deal,you'l like them.
Rudy:D
Like myself and others have said,real Prodrive stuff,works well and fits usually perfectly.Very similar to STi stuff;)
Hope you get your money back or the real deal,you'l like them.
Rudy:D
| Wrxified | 05-17-2003 04:41 PM |
Well boys I don't think an answer is possible. I don't know what the deal is with people these days. No one ever seems like a "straight shooter" any more. I email Triplus and was surprised to get an answer nearly right away. Altough I don't know if you could call it an answer. This Taliwhacker responded with the most cop out answer I've ever seen out of anyone I've ever dealt with. Here's the body of the email. You be the judge. I'm confused
Simon Line-Prodrive "Not the same"
Dan-Vivid Racing "Made by Triplus"
Him-"Thank you for your question relating to Triplus Impreza headlamps.
I cannot reply to your question in detail as I do not see the relevance, but assure you that Vivid Racing is the North American distributor and that you can take their advise.
Triplus has now discontinued the Subaru version 7 range.
Regards
Wim Wellinghoff
Managing Director
Triplus Europe Ltd."
Simon Line-Prodrive "Not the same"
Dan-Vivid Racing "Made by Triplus"
Him-"Thank you for your question relating to Triplus Impreza headlamps.
I cannot reply to your question in detail as I do not see the relevance, but assure you that Vivid Racing is the North American distributor and that you can take their advise.
Triplus has now discontinued the Subaru version 7 range.
Regards
Wim Wellinghoff
Managing Director
Triplus Europe Ltd."
| Wrxified | 05-17-2003 05:46 PM |
Ooh. I think I hit his hot buttons. I responded back to his first email and this is his final answer. Again. You guys decide. I think their is some sort of exclusivity agreement.
[b]"I do not intent to disclose any of our company's business to outsiders.
I can however tell you that Prodrive does not at all manufacture any headlamp sets. They only market them
For the rest I think it is irrelevant and regard the discussion as closed
regards
-------Original Message-------
From: Andrew Haight
Date: 17 May 2003 21:34:26
To: Wim Wellinghoff Triplus Europe
Subject: Re:
What kind of a answer is this? The relevance is that I'm trying to stick up for your product in a pretty heated debate over whether this is a quality product or not. I say it is and another person who has had problems fitting the product is talking about returning the product to purchase "authentic" Prodrive lamps. I told him they are one in the same. Can you verify this for me? Not that hard. I believe Vivid when they say it is the same.
Simon Lines from Prodrive says not the same
Dan Melmerstein from Vivid say they same
Why can't you just answer the question instead of playing a game with me?
In case you're interested here's the thread.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352790[/url]
I promised to check on it. If this is your answer I'll share it with the group.
Andrew Haight-Wrxified "[/b]
[b]"I do not intent to disclose any of our company's business to outsiders.
I can however tell you that Prodrive does not at all manufacture any headlamp sets. They only market them
For the rest I think it is irrelevant and regard the discussion as closed
regards
-------Original Message-------
From: Andrew Haight
Date: 17 May 2003 21:34:26
To: Wim Wellinghoff Triplus Europe
Subject: Re:
What kind of a answer is this? The relevance is that I'm trying to stick up for your product in a pretty heated debate over whether this is a quality product or not. I say it is and another person who has had problems fitting the product is talking about returning the product to purchase "authentic" Prodrive lamps. I told him they are one in the same. Can you verify this for me? Not that hard. I believe Vivid when they say it is the same.
Simon Lines from Prodrive says not the same
Dan Melmerstein from Vivid say they same
Why can't you just answer the question instead of playing a game with me?
In case you're interested here's the thread.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=352790[/url]
I promised to check on it. If this is your answer I'll share it with the group.
Andrew Haight-Wrxified "[/b]
| jagcars26 | 05-17-2003 06:15 PM |
Damn limey! The English are good at nonanswers:rolleyes: :lol:
Simon at Prodrive has been known to dance around specific answers also:mad: :rolleyes: .
Good try Andrew,,next time ask him if he remembers who won WWII fr them. Hmm,,, maybe Triplus had something to do with cracking the Enigma code, thats why it's a secret:eek: :lol:
Rudy<brit bashing mode off:D
Simon at Prodrive has been known to dance around specific answers also:mad: :rolleyes: .
Good try Andrew,,next time ask him if he remembers who won WWII fr them. Hmm,,, maybe Triplus had something to do with cracking the Enigma code, thats why it's a secret:eek: :lol:
Rudy<brit bashing mode off:D
| Wrxified | 05-17-2003 09:37 PM |
:lol: That's hilarious. Yah I don't know what's up with that. I still think there's more to this. His email leads everyone to believe that from one side they make it and the other side "bugger off, none of your business". I'm sort of put off by it. I think someone needs to work on their business tactics. HELLO CRACK WIPE.....who's the enduser? Me. Not the dang vendor. Wake up!! I've got a right to know who manufactures what. I'm not off base in wanting an answer to this question am I. What a wad. Well I was thinking UK300 Triplus or Prodrive, or whatever the hell either one is. That's how I stumbled on this thread from doing a search. Now the last thing I want to buy is either for the chance he's going to have my money.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jagcars26 [/i]
[B]Good try Andrew,,next time ask him if he remembers who won WWII fr them. Hmm,,, maybe Triplus had something to do with cracking the Enigma code, thats why it's a secret:eek: :lol:
Rudy<brit bashing mode off:D [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jagcars26 [/i]
[B]Good try Andrew,,next time ask him if he remembers who won WWII fr them. Hmm,,, maybe Triplus had something to do with cracking the Enigma code, thats why it's a secret:eek: :lol:
Rudy<brit bashing mode off:D [/B][/QUOTE]
| Arnie | 05-18-2003 04:20 AM |
geez, what an evasive freak. cool that you actually got an answer back. if they are really just replicas of the prodrives, it probably would not be good to admit they are. i think we need to get simon on the horn again.:lol: i'm still getting the prodrives, though.
| Thabias | 05-18-2003 11:10 PM |
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That's a retarded response! I agree with a previous speaker, that he knows they're replicas and doesn't want to say it so he gives you the runaround. It's funny how far this has gotten, I mean I started this thread to see if I was losing it with the whole "line it up and push it in" theory and apparently I'm not. Ya figure Triplus is making this replica light. They spend x amount of dollars designing it and make however much selling it -- you'd think they'd spend another 10 minutes in the design phase by putting the light into the car and going hmmm....well this piece doesn't exactly fit in easily so maybe we should just trim this piece down a bit until it fits properly, but naah, they'd rather go get another beer...just gimmie my money back and I'll get the real lights. Crap just be honest about your damn product!
Still waiting to see what happens with my return. Still in the "dispute" mode....will post later. Let us know what ya dig up.
-Thabs-
Still waiting to see what happens with my return. Still in the "dispute" mode....will post later. Let us know what ya dig up.
-Thabs-
| CirrusWRX | 05-19-2003 12:15 AM |
Well, I think from my perspective, it's safe to say that these lights are not ENDORSED by Prodrive. They have never sold these lights in carbon fiber form, and if you go to their website, it shows - they have the "regular" black lights, with no option for CF.
And after reading that reply, I honestly can't believe that they're "hiding something" by keeping it a secret that they mfgr the lights for Prodrive. Quite honestly, Prodrive admits readily that their springs are mfgr'd by Eibach. They claim they they can "design" good stuff, but they are not prepared to mfgr and fab stuff that they basically claim "other people can already do better." So what do they do with springs? Design ones that they think work well with the stock struts, enlist Eibach to mfgr them, slap some blue paint + prodrive logo, and call it a day.
I somehow doubt this was the case with these lights. Sorry for your troubles with Vivid man, but unfortunately, you're not alone in your frustration :mad:
And after reading that reply, I honestly can't believe that they're "hiding something" by keeping it a secret that they mfgr the lights for Prodrive. Quite honestly, Prodrive admits readily that their springs are mfgr'd by Eibach. They claim they they can "design" good stuff, but they are not prepared to mfgr and fab stuff that they basically claim "other people can already do better." So what do they do with springs? Design ones that they think work well with the stock struts, enlist Eibach to mfgr them, slap some blue paint + prodrive logo, and call it a day.
I somehow doubt this was the case with these lights. Sorry for your troubles with Vivid man, but unfortunately, you're not alone in your frustration :mad:
| xstar | 05-19-2003 01:03 AM |
all the drama from these vendors... :rolleyes:
Good luck getting a response from Simon regarding these lights. It took me 3 months to track down the light bulb specs for the Prodrive lights. And it was someone in Prodrive USA that helped me. Try contacting [URL=http://www.prodrive-usa.com]http://www.prodrive-usa.com[/URL].
plus here's my info thread about these lights: [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=343093]Detailed info regarding the UK300/Prodrive Headlights[/URL]; since it took so long to find all the relevant info... :rolleyes:
I hope that will save everyone some time.
Good luck getting a response from Simon regarding these lights. It took me 3 months to track down the light bulb specs for the Prodrive lights. And it was someone in Prodrive USA that helped me. Try contacting [URL=http://www.prodrive-usa.com]http://www.prodrive-usa.com[/URL].
plus here's my info thread about these lights: [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=343093]Detailed info regarding the UK300/Prodrive Headlights[/URL]; since it took so long to find all the relevant info... :rolleyes:
I hope that will save everyone some time.
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