| pittspilot | 07-31-2006 06:57 PM |
PT is dumb!
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That move in San Jose was the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
If I was Tag, I would'a walked up and kicked Tracy in the junk (Junky?) and walked away without another word.
If I was Tag, I would'a walked up and kicked Tracy in the junk (Junky?) and walked away without another word.
| artkevin | 07-31-2006 07:01 PM |
Agreed 100%. I have never liked the guy and he has next to no class but what he did yesterday should get him suspended for at least a race. He really could have killed Tag.
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=QSmHN_JMiDY&search=paul%20tracy[/url]
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=QSmHN_JMiDY&search=paul%20tracy[/url]
| Smart_alek | 07-31-2006 07:11 PM |
That was Tags last car, you can hear him yelling at PT telling him that was his last car. Ontop of that, Tags might be suspended :mad:
| wvallwheeldrive | 07-31-2006 07:11 PM |
go pt bring some attention to cart
| hakkenpepper | 07-31-2006 07:26 PM |
What happened exactly - PT spun and hit Tags after PT spun initially? I didn't see the race and the vid doesn't show what happened on track.
| Smart_alek | 07-31-2006 07:27 PM |
[QUOTE=wvallwheeldrive]go pt bring some attention to cart[/QUOTE]
Sadly, this is the case. :rolleyes: This clip must have been shown on every news channel and sports channel.
PT didn't even seem sorry for doing what he did, no wonder he always does stupid ****e like this all the time. Bourdais has a point when he said Tracy seems to be involved with every incident.
Sadly, this is the case. :rolleyes: This clip must have been shown on every news channel and sports channel.
PT didn't even seem sorry for doing what he did, no wonder he always does stupid ****e like this all the time. Bourdais has a point when he said Tracy seems to be involved with every incident.
| brianmcd | 07-31-2006 07:44 PM |
Anyone got a link to a vid of the incident?
| brianmcd | 07-31-2006 07:45 PM |
got it: [url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jjls3SIbcH8&search=paul%20tracy[/url]
| adhowe70 | 07-31-2006 07:50 PM |
Nice. It even looks like PT threw the first punch. Excellent.
| artkevin | 07-31-2006 09:01 PM |
IMHO Tag and PT need to be punished. Tag went after PT so he should be finded somewhat. PT shoud be suspended if not more for the on and off track crap he pulled.
He did what was most likely the most dangerous thing that I have ever seen in racing and had nothing to say about it. He then threw a punch at Tag. Tag did have his hands on PT but did not "threaten" violence. PT threw the 1st (last?) punch. He is a disgrace on sports and should be shown the door.
He did what was most likely the most dangerous thing that I have ever seen in racing and had nothing to say about it. He then threw a punch at Tag. Tag did have his hands on PT but did not "threaten" violence. PT threw the 1st (last?) punch. He is a disgrace on sports and should be shown the door.
| Smart_alek | 07-31-2006 09:08 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]IMHO Tag and PT need to be punished. Tag went after PT so he should be finded somewhat. PT shoud be suspended if not more for the on and off track crap he pulled.
He did what was most likely the most dangerous thing that I have ever seen in racing and had nothing to say about it. He then threw a punch at Tag. Tag did have his hands on PT but did not "threaten" violence. PT threw the 1st (last?) punch. He is a disgrace on sports and should be shown the door.[/QUOTE]
He also scuffled with Tags and tag ended up on the ground, his head hitting a contrete block. If he didn't have his helmet on, he would be dead.
He did what was most likely the most dangerous thing that I have ever seen in racing and had nothing to say about it. He then threw a punch at Tag. Tag did have his hands on PT but did not "threaten" violence. PT threw the 1st (last?) punch. He is a disgrace on sports and should be shown the door.[/QUOTE]
He also scuffled with Tags and tag ended up on the ground, his head hitting a contrete block. If he didn't have his helmet on, he would be dead.
| XenoWolf | 07-31-2006 09:12 PM |
Paul Tracy should be banned for life. Plenty of people can't stand him for good reason, and it's only a matter of time before he gets someone seriously hurt.
That was just ****ing stupid what he did at San Jose, period.
That was just ****ing stupid what he did at San Jose, period.
| lummer shawn | 07-31-2006 09:19 PM |
PT is an idiot
that was super sketchy what he did and he's lucky he didnt kill Tag.
that was super sketchy what he did and he's lucky he didnt kill Tag.
| heet | 07-31-2006 09:34 PM |
wow... this Paul Tracy guy? a real dumbass.
| artkevin | 07-31-2006 09:41 PM |
[QUOTE=Smart_alek]He also scuffled with Tags and tag ended up on the ground, his head hitting a contrete block. If he didn't have his helmet on, he would be dead.[/QUOTE]
Where did you hear the thing about the concrete block? Not doubting you but I haven't seen anything in the press as of yet about it.
BTW-Worst directing job EVAR! They showed Tag cusing (which I am cool with but the FCC might not be) for a full minute and then PT throws a punch and they cut to a pit stop. :furious:
Where did you hear the thing about the concrete block? Not doubting you but I haven't seen anything in the press as of yet about it.
BTW-Worst directing job EVAR! They showed Tag cusing (which I am cool with but the FCC might not be) for a full minute and then PT throws a punch and they cut to a pit stop. :furious:
| lummer shawn | 07-31-2006 09:48 PM |
yeah, the swearing thing, im cool with that, but the FCC seems to not like anything that might offend ANYONE on during daytime hours. but i'm sure the decision to cut to the pit stop during the fight had to do with the same thing, they probably didnt want to get too many fines. :(
| KAX | 07-31-2006 10:26 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Where did you hear the thing about the concrete block? Not doubting you but I haven't seen anything in the press as of yet about it.
BTW-Worst directing job EVAR! They showed Tag cusing (which I am cool with but the FCC might not be) for a full minute and then PT throws a punch and they cut to a pit stop. :furious:[/QUOTE]
i dont think they should have showed any of it. Once they knew Tag was looking for him, they should have just gone back to the cars and keep the controversy off the TV set. When i saw what was going to happen, and realized they were going to cut to a different shot i just changed the channel. i watch racing to see racing, if i wanted to watch that, id watch boxing on HBO or something.
BTW-Worst directing job EVAR! They showed Tag cusing (which I am cool with but the FCC might not be) for a full minute and then PT throws a punch and they cut to a pit stop. :furious:[/QUOTE]
i dont think they should have showed any of it. Once they knew Tag was looking for him, they should have just gone back to the cars and keep the controversy off the TV set. When i saw what was going to happen, and realized they were going to cut to a different shot i just changed the channel. i watch racing to see racing, if i wanted to watch that, id watch boxing on HBO or something.
| Smart_alek | 07-31-2006 10:51 PM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]Where did you hear the thing about the concrete block? Not doubting you but I haven't seen anything in the press as of yet about it.
BTW-Worst directing job EVAR! They showed Tag cusing (which I am cool with but the FCC might not be) for a full minute and then PT throws a punch and they cut to a pit stop. :furious:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.speedsportlife.com/2006/07/31/dubspeed-driven-video-of-the-day-tagliani-and-paul-tracy-duke-it-out-at-the-san-jose-grand-prix/[/url]
The second has it, but no sound. He lands on the concrete that is sticking out of the ground. Maybe not appropriate to refer to it as a concrete block, but his head hits something.
On more viewings, it looks as if he falls on a white pipe or something.
BTW-Worst directing job EVAR! They showed Tag cusing (which I am cool with but the FCC might not be) for a full minute and then PT throws a punch and they cut to a pit stop. :furious:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.speedsportlife.com/2006/07/31/dubspeed-driven-video-of-the-day-tagliani-and-paul-tracy-duke-it-out-at-the-san-jose-grand-prix/[/url]
The second has it, but no sound. He lands on the concrete that is sticking out of the ground. Maybe not appropriate to refer to it as a concrete block, but his head hits something.
On more viewings, it looks as if he falls on a white pipe or something.
| Smart_alek | 07-31-2006 10:53 PM |
With Montoya running Busch and Nextel Cup cars soon, and Tracy running some Busch races, things like this are bound to happen again. Watch Montoya and Tracy together on the track will be something.
| adhowe70 | 07-31-2006 11:38 PM |
Tracy's mentality and NASCAR are a perfect fit!
| DILLIGAF Racing | 08-01-2006 12:02 AM |
what a douche. One more reason to hate Tracy.
As for the TV end of it, they should have a delay button, right? I was watching the ALMS race from like last week, and I swear I heard one of the announcers call one of the drivers a P**** during one of the cautions in a pre-recorded segment.
As for the TV end of it, they should have a delay button, right? I was watching the ALMS race from like last week, and I swear I heard one of the announcers call one of the drivers a P**** during one of the cautions in a pre-recorded segment.
| artkevin | 08-01-2006 01:09 AM |
Lets see if I catch all of the swaer words:
Tagliani, Tracy explain pitlane clash
By David Malsher Monday, July 31st 2006, 07:08 GMT
Alex Tagliani and Paul Tracy scuffle in the pitsAlex Tagliani and Paul Tracy have given their sides of the story regarding their pitlane altercation in yesterday's San Jose Grand Prix.
The clash was triggered by an on-track accident on lap 52 which eliminated the Team Australia car of Tagliani and the Forsythe Championship Racing entry of Tracy.
Tracy rejoined the circuit having gone down an escape road with brake problems on lap 52, but slewed across the track and smashed his and Tagliani's cars into the wall on the inside.
Tagliani drove his wreck back to the pits, and alighted in time to confront Tracy who was also walking beside pitlane. Tracy tried to walk past, but Tagliani, still helmeted, grabbed his compatriot's overalls and remonstrated with some vigour and lots of swearing.
Tagliani eventually quit and carried on walking, but then turned and grabbed Tracy with both hands and forced him to a halt, at which point, Tracy punched Tagliani and forced him to the ground.
The pair were pulled apart by a Champ Car official and John Gentilozzi, son of Rocketsports Racing's team owner Paul Gentilozzi.
"I can't understand the guy's lack of respect for the rest of us," said a still seething Tagliani an hour later. "Sure, you can have a s***fight on the track, and bang wheels and all that sort of stuff.
"But this attitude of 'screw you all, I'm coming out of the run-off when I want, and who cares about the guy in the green and yellow car' is something I just don't understand.
"We were heading for a podium. The car felt right, we were showing the pace we hadn't been able to in qualifying, and I had saved a load of fuel. We were running fourth, we had just set a 50.8sec lap and the only guy faster than us at that stage in the race was Bourdais and we had everyone else handled. It was going to be second place.
"The way he came out of the run-off, if you took me out of the picture he was going to hit the wall himself anyway. Why would he do that? I'd like to see if he drove like such a moron if he didn't have a five-year contract and Forsythe didn't have a set of tubs and wishbones and wings and so on.
"Unfortunately, unlike him and Forsythe, we have a lot to lose. It's silly season for us drivers as we come on the market and try to sell ourselves to our current team and other teams. And it's silly season for teams as they try and go find a sponsor.
"And all our team has done all year is repair broken parts. The outsider's perception is bad for us. And yet we were gonna beat the RuSPORT guys: we were gonna be second."
Asked what he was saying to Tracy in the pitlane, Tagliani said: "Well, apart from the swearing, I was telling him 'we have no more cars. Are you going to give me one of yours?' Stuff like that.
"Of course he doesn't give a s***, because he and his team will be testing up at Road America this week, and we at Team Australia couldn't even if we wanted to because we only have one freakin' tub left."
Tagliani also saw himself drop to 10th in the points standings from seventh, another subject that he is furious about. "A podium today would have put us fourth in the championship - which considering some of the stuff we've been through, would be pretty remarkable, huh? And yet now we are 10th."
A relatively contrite Tracy said afterwards that the on-track accident wasn't done out of malice or carelessness.
"We'd had braking issues all weekend, and so that's why I went into the run-off. Then I got the car round, and came out. Yeah, I knew it was going to be close with Tag, but I was in panic mode because I could see up the road that everyone was bunched together so if I just sat there, I was gonna lose a whole load of positions.
"So I came out of there and went right over to the other side of the track, thinking Tag was gonna go on the normal racing line which was the outside of the corner.
"But he kept on the inside, I guess to give me room, and I ended up collecting him and pushing him into the wall."
Asked if he thought he would have hit the wall whether or not the Team Australia car was alongside him, Tracy acknowledged: "Yeah, but like I say, I was in panic mode, anxious not to lose too many places, my tyres were covered in crap from going down the escape road, so that's what happened. A misjudgement."
Of the fight in pitlane, Tracy commented: "I told him I was sorry, but he was completely enraged. He wasn't having any of it, or didn't want to listen. I tried to push past him when he first started on me, but he kept grabbing me and I told him to stop. Then we walked on for a bit and he came back and had another go.
"I told him three times not to hold onto me, but he did so I felt we'd got to a point where I had to punch him. I guess that was my second misjudgement. Never punch a guy when he still has his helmet on: my hand's a bit sore right now. At one point he was on the ground, I was on top of him and there were people on top of me."
Champ Car issued a press release regarding the pitlane fight, declaring: "Champ Car Race Operations will review the incident upon conclusion of today's event, and will determine what, if any, penalties for misconduct will be levied because of the incident.
"We understand that this is a very competitive series and our athletes can get caught up in the heat of the moment but we do not condone this type of behavior," said Champ Car President Steve Johnson. "We will review this incident thoroughly and determine what needs to be done to make sure things like this do not happen in the future."
Tagliani, Tracy explain pitlane clash
By David Malsher Monday, July 31st 2006, 07:08 GMT
Alex Tagliani and Paul Tracy scuffle in the pitsAlex Tagliani and Paul Tracy have given their sides of the story regarding their pitlane altercation in yesterday's San Jose Grand Prix.
The clash was triggered by an on-track accident on lap 52 which eliminated the Team Australia car of Tagliani and the Forsythe Championship Racing entry of Tracy.
Tracy rejoined the circuit having gone down an escape road with brake problems on lap 52, but slewed across the track and smashed his and Tagliani's cars into the wall on the inside.
Tagliani drove his wreck back to the pits, and alighted in time to confront Tracy who was also walking beside pitlane. Tracy tried to walk past, but Tagliani, still helmeted, grabbed his compatriot's overalls and remonstrated with some vigour and lots of swearing.
Tagliani eventually quit and carried on walking, but then turned and grabbed Tracy with both hands and forced him to a halt, at which point, Tracy punched Tagliani and forced him to the ground.
The pair were pulled apart by a Champ Car official and John Gentilozzi, son of Rocketsports Racing's team owner Paul Gentilozzi.
"I can't understand the guy's lack of respect for the rest of us," said a still seething Tagliani an hour later. "Sure, you can have a s***fight on the track, and bang wheels and all that sort of stuff.
"But this attitude of 'screw you all, I'm coming out of the run-off when I want, and who cares about the guy in the green and yellow car' is something I just don't understand.
"We were heading for a podium. The car felt right, we were showing the pace we hadn't been able to in qualifying, and I had saved a load of fuel. We were running fourth, we had just set a 50.8sec lap and the only guy faster than us at that stage in the race was Bourdais and we had everyone else handled. It was going to be second place.
"The way he came out of the run-off, if you took me out of the picture he was going to hit the wall himself anyway. Why would he do that? I'd like to see if he drove like such a moron if he didn't have a five-year contract and Forsythe didn't have a set of tubs and wishbones and wings and so on.
"Unfortunately, unlike him and Forsythe, we have a lot to lose. It's silly season for us drivers as we come on the market and try to sell ourselves to our current team and other teams. And it's silly season for teams as they try and go find a sponsor.
"And all our team has done all year is repair broken parts. The outsider's perception is bad for us. And yet we were gonna beat the RuSPORT guys: we were gonna be second."
Asked what he was saying to Tracy in the pitlane, Tagliani said: "Well, apart from the swearing, I was telling him 'we have no more cars. Are you going to give me one of yours?' Stuff like that.
"Of course he doesn't give a s***, because he and his team will be testing up at Road America this week, and we at Team Australia couldn't even if we wanted to because we only have one freakin' tub left."
Tagliani also saw himself drop to 10th in the points standings from seventh, another subject that he is furious about. "A podium today would have put us fourth in the championship - which considering some of the stuff we've been through, would be pretty remarkable, huh? And yet now we are 10th."
A relatively contrite Tracy said afterwards that the on-track accident wasn't done out of malice or carelessness.
"We'd had braking issues all weekend, and so that's why I went into the run-off. Then I got the car round, and came out. Yeah, I knew it was going to be close with Tag, but I was in panic mode because I could see up the road that everyone was bunched together so if I just sat there, I was gonna lose a whole load of positions.
"So I came out of there and went right over to the other side of the track, thinking Tag was gonna go on the normal racing line which was the outside of the corner.
"But he kept on the inside, I guess to give me room, and I ended up collecting him and pushing him into the wall."
Asked if he thought he would have hit the wall whether or not the Team Australia car was alongside him, Tracy acknowledged: "Yeah, but like I say, I was in panic mode, anxious not to lose too many places, my tyres were covered in crap from going down the escape road, so that's what happened. A misjudgement."
Of the fight in pitlane, Tracy commented: "I told him I was sorry, but he was completely enraged. He wasn't having any of it, or didn't want to listen. I tried to push past him when he first started on me, but he kept grabbing me and I told him to stop. Then we walked on for a bit and he came back and had another go.
"I told him three times not to hold onto me, but he did so I felt we'd got to a point where I had to punch him. I guess that was my second misjudgement. Never punch a guy when he still has his helmet on: my hand's a bit sore right now. At one point he was on the ground, I was on top of him and there were people on top of me."
Champ Car issued a press release regarding the pitlane fight, declaring: "Champ Car Race Operations will review the incident upon conclusion of today's event, and will determine what, if any, penalties for misconduct will be levied because of the incident.
"We understand that this is a very competitive series and our athletes can get caught up in the heat of the moment but we do not condone this type of behavior," said Champ Car President Steve Johnson. "We will review this incident thoroughly and determine what needs to be done to make sure things like this do not happen in the future."
| XenoWolf | 08-01-2006 06:39 AM |
Thanks for the article Art, I'm glad to see Tracy actually admit he ****ed up.
| StuBeck | 08-01-2006 08:31 AM |
Its just more of a reason to show how PT has no class and is stupid. He made an ass of himself the one season he actually won the championship and now that he isn't doing crap he's still an ass.
| artkevin | 08-02-2006 10:37 PM |
Tracy, Tagliani and Legge punished
By David Malsher Wednesday, August 2nd 2006, 21:27 GMT
Alex Tagliani and Paul Tracy scuffle in the pitsPaul Tracy has been docked seven points and put on probation for the next three Champ Car World Series races following his collision with Alex Tagliani in last Sunday's San Jose Grand Prix.
The Canadian was running in second place when brake problems with his Forsythe Championship Racing Lola-Ford sent him down an escape road on lap 52.
Tracy completed a 180-degree spin turn and then emerged from the escape road, slamming into Tagliani's Team Australia car and smashing both cars against a wall.
Tracy's penalty and fine have been meted out by officials 'for violation of Champ Car Rule 6.29 concerning unjustifiable risk'.
Both he and Tagliani have also been fined an unspecified amount for their brief fight in the pitlane afterwards.
Tagliani twice remonstrated with Tracy in bold terms, both times grabbing his comptriot's overalls. Tracy eventually responded with his fists after giving Tagliani several warnings.
Both are found guilty of violating Champ Car Rule 2.6 regarding conduct, specifically 'Participants engaged in any event must refrain from intentional physical contact with any participant, inappropriate or profane language...and unsportsmanlike behavior.'
The 'fines' are likely to be served by way of unpaid-for appearances representing the Champ Car World Series, rather than actual cheque-writing.
Britain's Katherine Legge has also been placed on probation for the next three races for 'on-track misconduct'.
The English PKV Racing driver twice collided with Andrew Ranger in the course of the race at San Jose, the second occurrence coming while she unlapped herself.
By David Malsher Wednesday, August 2nd 2006, 21:27 GMT
Alex Tagliani and Paul Tracy scuffle in the pitsPaul Tracy has been docked seven points and put on probation for the next three Champ Car World Series races following his collision with Alex Tagliani in last Sunday's San Jose Grand Prix.
The Canadian was running in second place when brake problems with his Forsythe Championship Racing Lola-Ford sent him down an escape road on lap 52.
Tracy completed a 180-degree spin turn and then emerged from the escape road, slamming into Tagliani's Team Australia car and smashing both cars against a wall.
Tracy's penalty and fine have been meted out by officials 'for violation of Champ Car Rule 6.29 concerning unjustifiable risk'.
Both he and Tagliani have also been fined an unspecified amount for their brief fight in the pitlane afterwards.
Tagliani twice remonstrated with Tracy in bold terms, both times grabbing his comptriot's overalls. Tracy eventually responded with his fists after giving Tagliani several warnings.
Both are found guilty of violating Champ Car Rule 2.6 regarding conduct, specifically 'Participants engaged in any event must refrain from intentional physical contact with any participant, inappropriate or profane language...and unsportsmanlike behavior.'
The 'fines' are likely to be served by way of unpaid-for appearances representing the Champ Car World Series, rather than actual cheque-writing.
Britain's Katherine Legge has also been placed on probation for the next three races for 'on-track misconduct'.
The English PKV Racing driver twice collided with Andrew Ranger in the course of the race at San Jose, the second occurrence coming while she unlapped herself.
| adhowe70 | 08-02-2006 10:57 PM |
Tracy's penalty for "unjustifiable risk" is not sufficient. 7 points and probation is no way to send a message. And let's face it, a driver with lesser following such as Legge would have been suspended for such a careless action. :mad:
| JoD | 08-02-2006 10:57 PM |
hehe - artkevin the biggest PT hater I know... ;)
Paul's move was douchebag material for sure!
What does "probation" mean in champ car?
Paul's move was douchebag material for sure!
What does "probation" mean in champ car?
| artkevin | 08-03-2006 12:02 AM |
Don't eff again for 3 races is what it means. I think he should be suspended if not far far worse.
| ptclaus98 | 08-03-2006 07:50 AM |
[QUOTE=pittspilot]That move in San Jose was the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
If I was Tag, I would'a walked up and kicked Tracy in the junk (Junky?) and walked away without another word.[/QUOTE]
HEY! :mad:
If I was Tag, I would'a walked up and kicked Tracy in the junk (Junky?) and walked away without another word.[/QUOTE]
HEY! :mad:
| artkevin | 08-13-2006 05:58 PM |
2 weeks
2 races
2 fights
2 wrecks that didn't need to happen
PT and Bourdais came together for 2nd place on the last corner of the Denver GP today. Bourdais had the clean pass while on the power to pass button and PT didn't want to give it up. PT "late" braked him and ended up running head on into Seb's sidepod taking them both out. Bourdais got heated and shoved PT and he shoved back.
How many on and off track dumb a$$ moves does that guy have to pull before he gets suspended.
2 races
2 fights
2 wrecks that didn't need to happen
PT and Bourdais came together for 2nd place on the last corner of the Denver GP today. Bourdais had the clean pass while on the power to pass button and PT didn't want to give it up. PT "late" braked him and ended up running head on into Seb's sidepod taking them both out. Bourdais got heated and shoved PT and he shoved back.
How many on and off track dumb a$$ moves does that guy have to pull before he gets suspended.
| Howl | 08-13-2006 07:18 PM |
Ya, I'm sensing Paul is getting desperate to stay on top. He should either relax and be satified with being an "also-ran" occasionally, or switch to NASCAR where that kind of activity is appreciated and applauded.
| Easy Rider | 08-13-2006 07:44 PM |
OR - he just helped the points spread to his team mate????????
| DILLIGAF Racing | 08-13-2006 07:48 PM |
I thought it was funny that that douche bag Paul Tracy almost instantly looked like he wanted to fight
| StuBeck | 08-13-2006 09:00 PM |
He did want to fight, but SB didn't give him the time to take off his helmet. He's a douchebag and should be thrown out for the rest of the year. I can't see any other way, he's going to hurt someone soon with his dumbass moves. I liked how he said in the interview "if he wants to fight me he should take off his helmet first"...hmm, well his helmet wasn't off. I would have probably just tackled the guy into the pavement if I was SB.
| XenoWolf | 08-13-2006 09:17 PM |
I also agree he should be banned for the remainder of the season, if for nothing more than a 'timeout'.
Tracy even admitted in the post-race interviews that "that's what he gets for risking a pass on a guy like me on the last turn of the last lap for two points". Excuse me? There was no risk to it, Seabass got cleanly by, and Tracy simply went too hot and drove right into the side of him.. end of story.. sorry Paul. Also, by saying "a guy like me" he's insinuating that he uses his nuts more than his brains (which sounds manly, but usually makes you look like a douchebag).
Tracy even admitted in the post-race interviews that "that's what he gets for risking a pass on a guy like me on the last turn of the last lap for two points". Excuse me? There was no risk to it, Seabass got cleanly by, and Tracy simply went too hot and drove right into the side of him.. end of story.. sorry Paul. Also, by saying "a guy like me" he's insinuating that he uses his nuts more than his brains (which sounds manly, but usually makes you look like a douchebag).
| psg | 08-13-2006 09:21 PM |
Paul didn't help his cause by saying during the post-race interview, "Payback's a bitch."
Yeah Paul, there have been some crashes between the two of you in some previous races, but Sebastian never blatantly dive-bombed you at the last corner of the race. I find it funny that people are actually blaming this incident on Bourdais at the SpeedTV forums.
Yeah Paul, there have been some crashes between the two of you in some previous races, but Sebastian never blatantly dive-bombed you at the last corner of the race. I find it funny that people are actually blaming this incident on Bourdais at the SpeedTV forums.
| artkevin | 08-13-2006 09:49 PM |
[QUOTE=psg]Paul didn't help his cause by saying during the post-race interview, "Payback's a bitch."
Yeah Paul, there have been some crashes between the two of you in some previous races, but Sebastian never blatantly dive-bombed you at the last corner of the race. I find it funny that people are actually blaming this incident on Bourdais at the SpeedTV forums.[/QUOTE]
Really?
Remind me not to go to the Speed TV forums. How can you blame the guy for making a clean pass on the outside and getting divebombed? :rolleyes:
Yeah Paul, there have been some crashes between the two of you in some previous races, but Sebastian never blatantly dive-bombed you at the last corner of the race. I find it funny that people are actually blaming this incident on Bourdais at the SpeedTV forums.[/QUOTE]
Really?
Remind me not to go to the Speed TV forums. How can you blame the guy for making a clean pass on the outside and getting divebombed? :rolleyes:
| artkevin | 08-13-2006 09:55 PM |
And the award for the worlds tuffest Frenchman goes to:
This guy!
[IMG]http://www.champcarworldseries.com/content/photos/2006/By800/20060813P_0027.jpg[/IMG]
I really liked Seb's finger point at the end.
This guy!
[IMG]http://www.champcarworldseries.com/content/photos/2006/By800/20060813P_0027.jpg[/IMG]
I really liked Seb's finger point at the end.
| pittspilot | 08-13-2006 11:57 PM |
Yep, it was the only point in Derek Daly's commentary where I wasn't yelling at him to shut the hell, up.
PT, the scond most irritating man in motorsports.
PT, the scond most irritating man in motorsports.
| robbieshonda | 08-14-2006 12:40 AM |
They should have let them finsish the fight.
| artkevin | 08-14-2006 10:59 AM |
Here's the clip
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JUZCouSpU2g[/url]
[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=JUZCouSpU2g[/url]
| XenoWolf | 08-14-2006 11:05 AM |
"Bourdais is smoking the tires over here!" *cuts to Bourdais climbing out of the car*
... lol
... lol
| Howl | 08-14-2006 11:18 AM |
[QUOTE=robbieshonda]They should have let them finsish the fight.[/QUOTE]
I was expecting them to start throwing punches or wrestling on the ground in the middle of the track - while the rest of the field dodged around them. :lol:
I was expecting them to start throwing punches or wrestling on the ground in the middle of the track - while the rest of the field dodged around them. :lol:
| cdvma | 08-14-2006 11:27 AM |
PT needs to leave. *******.
| Ferg | 08-16-2006 01:42 PM |
What's sad is Carts apparent inability to impose any sort of real penalty...
[QUOTE]Tracy punished for Denver clash
By David Malsher Wednesday, August 16th 2006, 08:59 GMT
Paul Tracy has been fined, docked three points and had his period of probation extended by one race following last Sunday's Grand Prix of Denver.
The Canadian Forsythe Championship Racing driver collided with championship leader Sebastien Bourdais on the last corner of the last lap as he attempted to wrest back second place from the Frenchman.
Neither driver was able to get going again, and subsequently dropped from second and third to sixth and seventh places.
Champ Car put out a press release stating: "Tracy's on-track actions in Denver were determined to be in violation of his probation, which was a part of his penalty for his actions during the Champ Car event in San Jose July 30 [when he collided with Alex Tagliani of Team Australia].
"As a result, Tracy will forfeit three championship points, will be fined $25,000 and will have his probation extended for one more race. The original probation was for three races, and will now be extended to include the Lexmark Indy 300 in Surfers Paradise, Australia."
There is some debate as to whether Tracy is being punished for his accident with Bourdais, or for blocking the Newman/Haas Racing driver over the course of the final two laps.
Champ Car Race Control has come down very hard on blocking this year, going one step beyond Formula One's loosely applied 'one move permitted' rule, and stating that any deviation from the racing line will be regarded as blocking and will be punished forthwith.
Neil Micklewright, Vice President of Team Operations at Forsythe understands the punishment is for the crash, which he regards as just a racing accident.
In an official statement from Forsythe, he said: "I believe that the penalty imposed to Paul Tracy for the last lap incident is simply wrong and not appropriate, but we have to accept the decision of the Series even if we don't agree with it."
Micklewright then alluded to the follow-up, where Bourdais crossed the track to remonstrate with his assailant, when he stated: "We eagerly await the penalty that we believe should be handed to Sebastien Bourdais for his part in the incident, including running across a "hot" track and initiating physical contact with our driver.
"Having been taken out in the first corner, PT drove an incredible and heroic race to regain second place and nursed the car which was having fuel pickup problems whilst remaining fast. It was the drive of a champion and therefore to not finish the race was crushing for all of us."[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE]Tracy punished for Denver clash
By David Malsher Wednesday, August 16th 2006, 08:59 GMT
Paul Tracy has been fined, docked three points and had his period of probation extended by one race following last Sunday's Grand Prix of Denver.
The Canadian Forsythe Championship Racing driver collided with championship leader Sebastien Bourdais on the last corner of the last lap as he attempted to wrest back second place from the Frenchman.
Neither driver was able to get going again, and subsequently dropped from second and third to sixth and seventh places.
Champ Car put out a press release stating: "Tracy's on-track actions in Denver were determined to be in violation of his probation, which was a part of his penalty for his actions during the Champ Car event in San Jose July 30 [when he collided with Alex Tagliani of Team Australia].
"As a result, Tracy will forfeit three championship points, will be fined $25,000 and will have his probation extended for one more race. The original probation was for three races, and will now be extended to include the Lexmark Indy 300 in Surfers Paradise, Australia."
There is some debate as to whether Tracy is being punished for his accident with Bourdais, or for blocking the Newman/Haas Racing driver over the course of the final two laps.
Champ Car Race Control has come down very hard on blocking this year, going one step beyond Formula One's loosely applied 'one move permitted' rule, and stating that any deviation from the racing line will be regarded as blocking and will be punished forthwith.
Neil Micklewright, Vice President of Team Operations at Forsythe understands the punishment is for the crash, which he regards as just a racing accident.
In an official statement from Forsythe, he said: "I believe that the penalty imposed to Paul Tracy for the last lap incident is simply wrong and not appropriate, but we have to accept the decision of the Series even if we don't agree with it."
Micklewright then alluded to the follow-up, where Bourdais crossed the track to remonstrate with his assailant, when he stated: "We eagerly await the penalty that we believe should be handed to Sebastien Bourdais for his part in the incident, including running across a "hot" track and initiating physical contact with our driver.
"Having been taken out in the first corner, PT drove an incredible and heroic race to regain second place and nursed the car which was having fuel pickup problems whilst remaining fast. It was the drive of a champion and therefore to not finish the race was crushing for all of us."[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
| artkevin | 08-16-2006 01:47 PM |
I actually wrote a letter to Champ Car about this through their website.
I just don't understand how you can let that stand. Bourdais needs to be punished for crossing the track and getting in his face just as Tag was last time. The fact is the PT endangered both of them for his own gain in two overly agressive moves that took them both out of podium spots at the end of both races.
I just don't understand how you can let that stand. Bourdais needs to be punished for crossing the track and getting in his face just as Tag was last time. The fact is the PT endangered both of them for his own gain in two overly agressive moves that took them both out of podium spots at the end of both races.
| XenoWolf | 08-17-2006 12:47 AM |
[QUOTE=artkevin]I actually wrote a letter to Champ Car about this through their website.
I just don't understand how you can let that stand. Bourdais needs to be punished for crossing the track and getting in his face just as Tag was last time. The fact is the PT endangered both of them for his own gain in two overly agressive moves that took them both out of podium spots at the end of both races.[/QUOTE]
Remember that Seabass got 'chopped' the lap prior (or the same lap? I don't quite remember) which probably pissed him off. While it was dumb to go confront Tracy the way he did, I don't see how he put either of them in a greater danger than they would have been in leaving thier cars normally and walking across the track to the runoff.
I just don't understand how you can let that stand. Bourdais needs to be punished for crossing the track and getting in his face just as Tag was last time. The fact is the PT endangered both of them for his own gain in two overly agressive moves that took them both out of podium spots at the end of both races.[/QUOTE]
Remember that Seabass got 'chopped' the lap prior (or the same lap? I don't quite remember) which probably pissed him off. While it was dumb to go confront Tracy the way he did, I don't see how he put either of them in a greater danger than they would have been in leaving thier cars normally and walking across the track to the runoff.
| psg | 08-17-2006 01:03 AM |
Bourdais dodging the other cars entering the apex of the final corner on the final lap wasn't the smartest thing to do, that I agree. That is a joke of a punishment for Paul Tracy--way to set a precedent for all future incidents. He needs have his ego deflated a few notches.
What does he have to do to justify some real punishment? Punch a track official in the face and throw his helmet at the race director?
What does he have to do to justify some real punishment? Punch a track official in the face and throw his helmet at the race director?
| grippgoat | 08-17-2006 12:11 PM |
You can pretty clearly see in the video that Tag gives PT a solid push away, at which PT comes back swinging.... Certainly Tags started the shouting/shoving match by getting up in PT's face, but PT clearly escalated it past a shoving match.
-Mike
-Mike
| Ferg | 08-17-2006 12:18 PM |
You know the problem is that Champ Car can't afford to put Tracy on the sidelines...
They'd be down to what, a 15 car grid?
It's just sad no matter how you look at it.
They'd be down to what, a 15 car grid?
It's just sad no matter how you look at it.
| StuBeck | 08-17-2006 12:26 PM |
Well the way PT is going, there may be a 12 car field at the end of the year since he's taking out so many people! ;)
| Spectre186 | 08-17-2006 12:27 PM |
Wow! This reminds me of some of the newbies on the online racing game Live For Speed. They'll just crash and rejoin the race without looking to see if anyone is coming!! I can't believe a professional would do such a thing.
| artkevin | 08-17-2006 12:30 PM |
Why not suspend just him and not his car? There are plenty of Atlantic guys that could step up for a race or two. Forsythe runs 3 cars in that series. You could run Mika Salo or Mark Gene or plenty of other guys for a one off.
And PT isn't the only Canadian in the field, you still have at least Tag and Ranger. He thinks that Champ Car can't get rid of him for the Montreal race. I hope they prove him wrong.
And PT isn't the only Canadian in the field, you still have at least Tag and Ranger. He thinks that Champ Car can't get rid of him for the Montreal race. I hope they prove him wrong.
| StuBeck | 08-17-2006 12:39 PM |
Yea, there is no reason they can't take him out. If they suspend him I think it just him, not the car, like when Massa got the grid spot penelty for running into de la Rosa in Monza in 2002, they simply took him out of the Sauber for the next race in Indy.
| Jay911 | 08-18-2006 02:20 AM |
Anyone got any reasoning on why Bourdais wasn't penalized for crossing a live track and entering into a shoving contest?
| psg | 08-18-2006 02:35 AM |
Watch Wind Tunnel on Speed Channel this Sunday night. Robin Miller & Dave Despain vs. Paul Tracy--this is going to be good.
| StuBeck | 08-18-2006 09:14 AM |
[QUOTE=Jay911]Anyone got any reasoning on why Bourdais wasn't penalized for crossing a live track and entering into a shoving contest?[/QUOTE]
He didn't cause the accident and gave one shove, its not entering into a fight with someone.
He didn't cause the accident and gave one shove, its not entering into a fight with someone.
| artkevin | 08-18-2006 10:30 AM |
[QUOTE=Jay911]Anyone got any reasoning on why Bourdais wasn't penalized for crossing a live track and entering into a shoving contest?[/QUOTE]
No, I don't. I am a huge Bourdais fan but he should have been docked or fined. I thought they did a "good" job with the Tag/PT fight for breaking it down into 2 parts. I still just don't get how PT can take out 2 people and still be racing with just a fine and total of 10 docked points when hes not even in the hunt for the championship.
No, I don't. I am a huge Bourdais fan but he should have been docked or fined. I thought they did a "good" job with the Tag/PT fight for breaking it down into 2 parts. I still just don't get how PT can take out 2 people and still be racing with just a fine and total of 10 docked points when hes not even in the hunt for the championship.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 08-18-2006 09:13 PM |
[QUOTE=psg]Watch Wind Tunnel on Speed Channel this Sunday night. Robin Miller & Dave Despain vs. Paul Tracy--this is going to be good.[/QUOTE]
so they are both going to kiss his butt?
so they are both going to kiss his butt?
| Jonathan | 08-19-2006 11:10 PM |
Paul Tracy isn't dumb. He is a thug.
While I didnt see the actual race in San Jose, I see absolutely no justification for re-entering the racing line directly in front of a driver travelling at full race speeds after having driven down the ecape route.
I did see the full televised race in Denver. While Paul Tracy does indeed have a remarkable reputation for pulling off questionable moves, this one wasn't even close. Sebastien Bourdais had blown past Tracy 2/3rds of the distance down the straight and entered the corner a good 2-3 car lengths ahead of Tracy. With nothing to loose, Tracy held his inside line and more or less straight-lined the corner under very heavy braking and slammed into the side of Bourdais' car. In my personal opinion, he left his braking so late just so he could draw along side Sebatien. Left foot braking or not, Paul left his braking so late that had Bourdais not been there he would have likely clobbered the retaining wall instead of Sebatien.
While with only one lap left in the race Sebatien clearly didnt need to make this pass, it was done cleanly with out undo risk. Given that Paul isnt in contention for the championship, while Sebastien and Paul's teammate, A.J. Allmendinger are in a rather closely fought battle for the championship, I feel that Paul's stunt was not a serious bid to repass Bourdais but rather a blantant act of thugery. This was no accident.
If it were up to me, I would suspend Tracy for at least one and possibly two races. I would also give serious thought to possibly penalizing the entire Forsythe team for employing such questionable driving tactics.
While I didnt see the actual race in San Jose, I see absolutely no justification for re-entering the racing line directly in front of a driver travelling at full race speeds after having driven down the ecape route.
I did see the full televised race in Denver. While Paul Tracy does indeed have a remarkable reputation for pulling off questionable moves, this one wasn't even close. Sebastien Bourdais had blown past Tracy 2/3rds of the distance down the straight and entered the corner a good 2-3 car lengths ahead of Tracy. With nothing to loose, Tracy held his inside line and more or less straight-lined the corner under very heavy braking and slammed into the side of Bourdais' car. In my personal opinion, he left his braking so late just so he could draw along side Sebatien. Left foot braking or not, Paul left his braking so late that had Bourdais not been there he would have likely clobbered the retaining wall instead of Sebatien.
While with only one lap left in the race Sebatien clearly didnt need to make this pass, it was done cleanly with out undo risk. Given that Paul isnt in contention for the championship, while Sebastien and Paul's teammate, A.J. Allmendinger are in a rather closely fought battle for the championship, I feel that Paul's stunt was not a serious bid to repass Bourdais but rather a blantant act of thugery. This was no accident.
If it were up to me, I would suspend Tracy for at least one and possibly two races. I would also give serious thought to possibly penalizing the entire Forsythe team for employing such questionable driving tactics.
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