| Scooby South | 08-17-2004 09:07 PM |
Rally DEUTSCHLAND .Talk about here
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[IMG]http://rally.racing-live.com/img/drapeaux/drap_all.gif [/IMG] Well its that time to put up or shut up....Rally DEUTSCHLAND...Tarmac....hopefully the Pirelli shod Suby's will fair well...:)...
Go Petter
Go Petter
| WRXedUSA | 08-17-2004 09:20 PM |
Aha, Thanks ScoobySouth. I was just going to ask!
| WRCar | 08-17-2004 09:30 PM |
I'll start this off with the traditional w00t!!!
Go Subaru... maximum attack! Time to put the waterscooping aerodynamics to good use!
Go Subaru... maximum attack! Time to put the waterscooping aerodynamics to good use!
| bemani | 08-17-2004 11:26 PM |
Let's see if Pirelli did their homework for Tarmac this year ... after we see if Petter will fold under pressure AGAIN :p
| Predwolf | 08-18-2004 12:23 AM |
Petter will do it this time, he has to!
:D
:D
| WRXedUSA | 08-18-2004 01:23 AM |
Loeb is goin to be hard to beat. There are a lot of Frenchies wandering around town today...
I'll post more on shakedown...
I'll post more on shakedown...
| WRCar | 08-18-2004 04:16 PM |
Don't worry, Loeb will probably surrender right after the shakedown :lol:
So WRXedUSA, how's about a well placed oil slick on a hairpin to take out Loeb? Spike-strip? Anything??? Oh and since you are over there:
TTIWWOP
So WRXedUSA, how's about a well placed oil slick on a hairpin to take out Loeb? Spike-strip? Anything??? Oh and since you are over there:
TTIWWOP
| Seeing StaRS | 08-18-2004 10:47 PM |
WRXedUSA enjoy your stay...your quite lucky to experience world rally up close and personal.
As for SWRT all we can do is hope for the best for the Subaru/Pirelli combo. I hope Solberg goes into maximum attack and gets on the podium. As for Hirrvonnen ehhh he's a disappointment imho.
All things said and done tarmac master Seb. Loeb and his Michelin shod Xsara is going to be [u]tough[/u] to beat. Markko and Gronholm are going to be putting in a good fight too.
Bring on the tarmac madness!
Joe
As for SWRT all we can do is hope for the best for the Subaru/Pirelli combo. I hope Solberg goes into maximum attack and gets on the podium. As for Hirrvonnen ehhh he's a disappointment imho.
All things said and done tarmac master Seb. Loeb and his Michelin shod Xsara is going to be [u]tough[/u] to beat. Markko and Gronholm are going to be putting in a good fight too.
Bring on the tarmac madness!
Joe
| nogger | 08-19-2004 12:40 PM |
Come on Petter, I don't want to see another disappointing result. You too, Mikko.
:)
:)
| WRCar | 08-19-2004 07:36 PM |
Peugeot fastest on shakedown.... uh oh. :(
Petter was 2nd... w00t.... and even better... Loeb was way down teh list :banana:
Oh ya, and looks like rain!!!!!!!!
Petter was 2nd... w00t.... and even better... Loeb was way down teh list :banana:
Oh ya, and looks like rain!!!!!!!!
| spongejosh | 08-19-2004 09:47 PM |
i'm going tomorrow and saturday. if i see petter, i'll let him know that nasioc is behind him all the way ;) haha. i'll try to get some good pics of the cars and stuff. we'll see what i have when i get back.
| Scooby South | 08-20-2004 09:01 AM |
5 Gronholm-Rautiainen Peugeot 307 Wrc Went off road SS 1 (OWN3D)
1 down....2 more heavy's to go....(Loeb, Saintz)
GO PETTER.....
1 down....2 more heavy's to go....(Loeb, Saintz)
GO PETTER.....
| Gravityfeed | 08-20-2004 09:55 AM |
Solberg is 62 secs behind Loeb after SS6. Sainz and Duval havent registered times yet for SS6, but were both over 30 secs ahead of Petter at the end of SS5. Hirvonen is nowhere to be seen on the leaderboard, sitting all the way down in 12th after SS5 behind all three Skodas, Martin's Ford (which appears to be on the wrong tires), and even Panizzi's Mitsubishi. Not a good showing for Mikko. That new Skoda Fabia is going pretty well right out of the box, Roman Kresta having set the third fastest time on SS5, only 4 secs off Loeb.
| Thumper23 | 08-20-2004 11:40 AM |
we need some rain or something
on wrc.com, Petter said he's going to drive conservative for a bit
on wrc.com, Petter said he's going to drive conservative for a bit
| Scooby South | 08-20-2004 03:10 PM |
1. 3 Loeb-Elena Citroen Xsa A8 1h18'15"400 103.5 km/h 1 1
2. 4 Sainz-Marti Citroen Xsa A8 1h18'41"900 + 00'26"50 2 2
3. 8 Duval-Prevot Ford Focus A8 1h19'13"900 + 00'58"50 3 3
4. 1 Solberg-Mills Subaru Impr A8 1h19'26"200 + 01'10"80 4 4
Well...Petter is 4th overall after day 1......Me thinks that his attack is planned out....I say he unleashes somewhere in the middle stages tomorrow (Prodrive letting him go..)....and then balls out till the end...a min down is not to bad....maybe some luck will come Petters way (since Subaru hasn't won this event since 99 and then have only won once..)....and the tarmac will become a little more damp....(seems Pirelli likes wetter conditions for the compounds they are using)...I'll take it....however Loeb is fast...no doubt about that...
opinions???
Bill
2. 4 Sainz-Marti Citroen Xsa A8 1h18'41"900 + 00'26"50 2 2
3. 8 Duval-Prevot Ford Focus A8 1h19'13"900 + 00'58"50 3 3
4. 1 Solberg-Mills Subaru Impr A8 1h19'26"200 + 01'10"80 4 4
Well...Petter is 4th overall after day 1......Me thinks that his attack is planned out....I say he unleashes somewhere in the middle stages tomorrow (Prodrive letting him go..)....and then balls out till the end...a min down is not to bad....maybe some luck will come Petters way (since Subaru hasn't won this event since 99 and then have only won once..)....and the tarmac will become a little more damp....(seems Pirelli likes wetter conditions for the compounds they are using)...I'll take it....however Loeb is fast...no doubt about that...
opinions???
Bill
| gtguy | 08-20-2004 05:03 PM |
Petter better watch those concrete pillars in the tank park. A minute down to Loeb means that Solberg's chances to win, barring some sort of fluke occurrence (mechanical, a Loeb error) are toast. Loeb is so fast on tarmac.
Kevin
Kevin
| pio!pio! | 08-20-2004 05:50 PM |
I think a minute down is horrible for a tarmac rally. On a gravel rally I can see making up a minute, but on tarmac?
| Mark Avery | 08-20-2004 06:55 PM |
Maybe it'll be Loeb's turn to DNF.
| datageek | 08-20-2004 07:01 PM |
A minute down isn't great. But one bad tire choice can lose nearly that much time. And with the weather being as unpredictable as it is (rain is expected for tomorrow), it'll be easy to make a bad choice. We'll see what happens.
And at least both Scoobs are still in the running at the end of day 1. It's been a while since the team got through the first day without any major incidents.
And at least both Scoobs are still in the running at the end of day 1. It's been a while since the team got through the first day without any major incidents.
| WRCar | 08-21-2004 12:50 AM |
I can't believe that flat out attack went out the window so fast. Also, why does everyone seem so pleased about being a minute behind Loeb? He's recognized as teh best on tarmac and Petter thinks he can take a minute out of him?! I want some of what Petter, Miko, and David Lapworth are smoking!
| datageek | 08-21-2004 02:36 AM |
[QUOTE=WRCar]Also, why does everyone seem so pleased about being a minute behind Loeb? [/QUOTE]
I'm just pleased that he's still in the rally and still in position to get a reasonable amount of points. A minute down is better than being down and out. At least this way I can pretend that maybe something exciting will happen before the end. ;)
I'm also glad to see that Petter seems to have knocked off the flat-out attack again. He tried that at the beginning of last year and it seemed to land him in a ditch as often as on the podium. Toward the end of the season he started playing it cool on day 1 and speeding up after that, and he started turning in more solid results. The last three or four rallies were very much from the flat-out Petter school of driving. Obviously the results weren't what any Subaru fan would have wanted. I'm hoping that changing the approach might also improve the results.
I'm just pleased that he's still in the rally and still in position to get a reasonable amount of points. A minute down is better than being down and out. At least this way I can pretend that maybe something exciting will happen before the end. ;)
I'm also glad to see that Petter seems to have knocked off the flat-out attack again. He tried that at the beginning of last year and it seemed to land him in a ditch as often as on the podium. Toward the end of the season he started playing it cool on day 1 and speeding up after that, and he started turning in more solid results. The last three or four rallies were very much from the flat-out Petter school of driving. Obviously the results weren't what any Subaru fan would have wanted. I'm hoping that changing the approach might also improve the results.
| Boxologist | 08-21-2004 05:09 AM |
because if u try to keep up with a throughbred on tarmac, and ur not up to par, u crash and DNF.
I'm at a loss as to why anyone would be dissappointed with Hiroven. i expected nothing from him this year. Subaru picks ypung drivers and tries to train them. i think he has done very well for a WRC neophyte.
I'm at a loss as to why anyone would be dissappointed with Hiroven. i expected nothing from him this year. Subaru picks ypung drivers and tries to train them. i think he has done very well for a WRC neophyte.
| datageek | 08-21-2004 10:22 AM |
From swrt.com:
**Petter Retires**
Petter and Phil left the road 400 metres from the start of SS12, after a crest and retired. As a result of the accident Phil went to hospital for some checks, but is reported to be okay.
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Glad to hear that everyone's okay! Panzerplatte is not a nice place to go off the road. Those hinklestiens chew up rally cars like nothing else.
This is the second or third accident this rally where crews were taken to the hospital. I wonder if the high rate of bad accidents is just because of the changable weather, or if the lack of gravel crews is having a serious effect?
**Petter Retires**
Petter and Phil left the road 400 metres from the start of SS12, after a crest and retired. As a result of the accident Phil went to hospital for some checks, but is reported to be okay.
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Glad to hear that everyone's okay! Panzerplatte is not a nice place to go off the road. Those hinklestiens chew up rally cars like nothing else.
This is the second or third accident this rally where crews were taken to the hospital. I wonder if the high rate of bad accidents is just because of the changable weather, or if the lack of gravel crews is having a serious effect?
| WRXedUSA | 08-21-2004 12:01 PM |
Well, Its saturday and I have yet to see a car on the stages. Panizzi and Solberg both wrecked out on the two stages I had planned to see. KLM lost our luggage, its raining amongst other things...
On the other hand, Trier is a nice town, The Karl Marx house and Porta nigra are cool. Wish better luck tomorrow..
More tomorrow guys.... Off to Bitburger land... Auf Weidersehen
-WRXed.
On the other hand, Trier is a nice town, The Karl Marx house and Porta nigra are cool. Wish better luck tomorrow..
More tomorrow guys.... Off to Bitburger land... Auf Weidersehen
-WRXed.
| Kuro | 08-21-2004 04:34 PM |
Damn...just saw pictures of the crash. It's extremely disgusting considering the car has a hardcore roll cage!
| WRXMaster | 08-21-2004 09:06 PM |
[IMG]http://www.wrc.com/ULImages/Homepage/solberg-krasch-05-webok.gif[/IMG]
| nogger | 08-21-2004 09:18 PM |
:(
At least Mikko may be able to get a point if he drives well tomorrow.
At least Mikko may be able to get a point if he drives well tomorrow.
| Thumper23 | 08-22-2004 12:58 PM |
well, this rally should be the final nail in the coffin for the championship this year
| WRCar | 08-22-2004 04:06 PM |
D'oh. That was one nasty looking crash. Glad everyone is ok, even though I have no idea how Mills survived the off....
With the conditions the way they are I think all the top drivers have been lucky to keep it on teh road. Go Mikko!
With the conditions the way they are I think all the top drivers have been lucky to keep it on teh road. Go Mikko!
| Patrick L | 08-22-2004 10:17 PM |
OUCH!!! HOLY SHEET!!!!
That was a hard hit!!
Thank God they are ok.
That was a hard hit!!
Thank God they are ok.
| cooleyjb | 08-22-2004 10:23 PM |
Just saw the video of Petter's off course excursion. How Mills didn't get hurt badly eludes me. Major cage failure. OUCH. OUCH. OUCH. Watching his head get mushed over on the in car cam is a little freaky.
| berzerkled | 08-22-2004 10:41 PM |
don't forget how low mills sits though
| cooleyjb | 08-22-2004 10:47 PM |
when you see the cage collapse you get one shot of his head being pushed over and then a blur and then you get a shot of the cage collapsing even further and really pinning head down and over towards the middle of the car.
All in all i'm glad he walked away.
I wonder what the cage builders are doing right now????????
All in all i'm glad he walked away.
I wonder what the cage builders are doing right now????????
| bemani | 08-23-2004 03:13 AM |
Forget the championship ... I'm just very glad that Petter & Phil are not seriously hurt.
| WRXedUSA | 08-23-2004 07:40 AM |
Well,
That was quite the rally. It? Monday afternoon here. I see now why solberg didnt show up for day 3 under the SuperRally. The field really, really thinned out. I tell you who looked good, was the Subaru Rally team France driver in a Prodrive WRC. Also, Gardemiester and Pons were quick.
Yep, the local belgians and french when nuts at the closing ceremony. I'll post pics and give you a link when I get stateside.
I took a lot of video.
-WRXed
That was quite the rally. It? Monday afternoon here. I see now why solberg didnt show up for day 3 under the SuperRally. The field really, really thinned out. I tell you who looked good, was the Subaru Rally team France driver in a Prodrive WRC. Also, Gardemiester and Pons were quick.
Yep, the local belgians and french when nuts at the closing ceremony. I'll post pics and give you a link when I get stateside.
I took a lot of video.
-WRXed
| Butt Dyno | 08-23-2004 10:10 AM |
Is it me or did Nicky Grist look drunk at about the half hour mark when he was saying how people were cheering for Loeb?
Bummed/relieved for Petter/Phil..
john
Bummed/relieved for Petter/Phil..
john
| wrrrx | 08-23-2004 10:11 AM |
Yeah, Solberg's crash totally bummed me out.
VERY glad Phil and Petter are okay. Hope this doesn't shake their confidence- didn't Petter bite it in the same area, or a similar one, LAST year? I seem to remember "hinklesteins" being involved...
Petter had quite a bit of luck last year, and he's got plenty this year... only this time around it's bad luck!
So much for Maximum Attack! :rolleyes:
At least he didn't look or feel as foolish as Marcus! :lol: LOVED that Virtual Spectator illustrating exactly [i]why[/i] "Magic Marcus" went off into the weeds... "schoolboy error" indeed as Grist commented.
I was actually laughing as Panizzi slid off- or at least I was until that impact. OUCH! Then I felt bad for laughing. :(
<siiigh> THREE retirements in a row for Petter...
Russ R
VERY glad Phil and Petter are okay. Hope this doesn't shake their confidence- didn't Petter bite it in the same area, or a similar one, LAST year? I seem to remember "hinklesteins" being involved...
Petter had quite a bit of luck last year, and he's got plenty this year... only this time around it's bad luck!
So much for Maximum Attack! :rolleyes:
At least he didn't look or feel as foolish as Marcus! :lol: LOVED that Virtual Spectator illustrating exactly [i]why[/i] "Magic Marcus" went off into the weeds... "schoolboy error" indeed as Grist commented.
I was actually laughing as Panizzi slid off- or at least I was until that impact. OUCH! Then I felt bad for laughing. :(
<siiigh> THREE retirements in a row for Petter...
Russ R
| gtguy | 08-23-2004 10:11 AM |
[QUOTE=gtguy]Petter better watch those concrete pillars in the tank park. A minute down to Loeb means that Solberg's chances to win, barring some sort of fluke occurrence (mechanical, a Loeb error) are toast. Loeb is so fast on tarmac.
Kevin[/QUOTE]
Not to say that I'm a seer or anything, but...(ahem). Between Solberg and Gronholm's brain fades, and Citroen's rock-solid reliability, Loeb is looking pretty unbeatable. Solberg has three DNFs in the last three rallies. He's starting to look McRaeesque.
Kevin
Kevin[/QUOTE]
Not to say that I'm a seer or anything, but...(ahem). Between Solberg and Gronholm's brain fades, and Citroen's rock-solid reliability, Loeb is looking pretty unbeatable. Solberg has three DNFs in the last three rallies. He's starting to look McRaeesque.
Kevin
| wrrrx | 08-23-2004 10:13 AM |
[QUOTE=gtguy] Solberg has three DNFs in the last three rallies. He's starting to look McRaeesque.
Kevin[/QUOTE]
Now IMAGINE if SWRT [i][B]had[/B][/i] picked up McRae!! Wow!! Think of all the DNF's they could put together.... :lol:
Russ R
Kevin[/QUOTE]
Now IMAGINE if SWRT [i][B]had[/B][/i] picked up McRae!! Wow!! Think of all the DNF's they could put together.... :lol:
Russ R
| CirrusWRX | 08-23-2004 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Nicky Grist looks drunk.
john[/QUOTE]
fixed it for ya
Sad to see the crash, and it was SO unnecessary IMO. I can't believe in those conditions that he would even ATTEMPT to "make up time." I think he should've been driving more conservatively (unless he really was) And the insult to injury had to be the fact that they cancelled that stage shortly thereafter :mad: Perhaps it was soley because of Solberg's crash...
Too aggressive under the wrong conditions IMO. As they say, in order to finish first, you must first finish! Petter has not done that in a while, so here's hoping to Japan- maybe they'll have some better luck.
Sucks to hear about Marko Martin still having occasional vision problems :(
Any updates on Richard Burns?? Last I heard back in July was that he left the hospital and was feeling better, but not much more info than that.
john[/QUOTE]
fixed it for ya
Sad to see the crash, and it was SO unnecessary IMO. I can't believe in those conditions that he would even ATTEMPT to "make up time." I think he should've been driving more conservatively (unless he really was) And the insult to injury had to be the fact that they cancelled that stage shortly thereafter :mad: Perhaps it was soley because of Solberg's crash...
Too aggressive under the wrong conditions IMO. As they say, in order to finish first, you must first finish! Petter has not done that in a while, so here's hoping to Japan- maybe they'll have some better luck.
Sucks to hear about Marko Martin still having occasional vision problems :(
Any updates on Richard Burns?? Last I heard back in July was that he left the hospital and was feeling better, but not much more info than that.
| Butt Dyno | 08-23-2004 11:09 AM |
Not just the conditions of the stage, but he crashed what, 10 seconds in? Cold tires..
john
john
| MilkManX | 08-23-2004 11:27 AM |
Yeah it has been a rough season for Subaru. I think they are trying to hard to be the the fastest. Just try to finish respectably and look for your opening. Course Finland was more due to Petter's cold than anything else.
| gtguy | 08-23-2004 12:31 PM |
[QUOTE=MilkManX]Yeah it has been a rough season for Subaru. I think they are trying to hard to be the the fastest. Just try to finish respectably and look for your opening. Course Finland was more due to Petter's cold than anything else.[/QUOTE]
Finland's crash was due to Solberg's lack of circumspection, just like Germany's crash. A cold makes you ill, it doesn't make you fly into a curve too fast.
Kevin
Finland's crash was due to Solberg's lack of circumspection, just like Germany's crash. A cold makes you ill, it doesn't make you fly into a curve too fast.
Kevin
| smolvar | 08-23-2004 12:47 PM |
Anyone run across any video footage of Petter's crash from an external camera?
It looked plenty bad from the inside, but I'd like to see the initial impact and what portions of the car hit what, especially since the cage took such a beating.
It looked plenty bad from the inside, but I'd like to see the initial impact and what portions of the car hit what, especially since the cage took such a beating.
| steev | 08-23-2004 02:04 PM |
pics from where?
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Where was the crash pic gotten from (website or other)? It looks really bad! Any other angles? I am baffled to see the rollcage bend that much...
| MilkManX | 08-23-2004 02:54 PM |
[QUOTE=gtguy]Finland's crash was due to Solberg's lack of circumspection, just like Germany's crash. A cold makes you ill, it doesn't make you fly into a curve too fast.
Kevin[/QUOTE]
True but when you have the flu sometimes it is hard to concentrate on what you are really doing and your reaction time is much slower.
Kevin[/QUOTE]
True but when you have the flu sometimes it is hard to concentrate on what you are really doing and your reaction time is much slower.
| SlideWRX | 08-23-2004 04:00 PM |
[IMG]http://rally.racing-live.com/photos/2004/allemagne/diapo_220.jpg[/IMG]
I think the Anti-Grav was screwing with Petter's driving.
:banana:
Tom
edit: I don't see "World Rally Champion" or similar on the hood, so it is probably Hirvonen or the other one that placed high.
I think the Anti-Grav was screwing with Petter's driving.
:banana:
Tom
edit: I don't see "World Rally Champion" or similar on the hood, so it is probably Hirvonen or the other one that placed high.
| WRXedUSA | 08-25-2004 10:32 AM |
Saturday's stages were COLD!! It was 40degrees and raining off and on. Strangely cold, winter jacket cold. Remember, he wrecked 400m off the start line. He just was too aggressive.
Wow, I'm glad he's ok.
Wow, I'm glad he's ok.
| Dr. WOT | 08-25-2004 11:55 AM |
Glad Petter and especially Phil are ok! Is there an update on Panizzi? They said they were calling for medical attention and he seemed to be holding his arm. That was a big hit too.
I can only think of what could have been had Marcus not run off. The second Pug ran pretty quick so this might have made for an interesting race.
I'm am gaining a deep respect for Seb Loeb. He was fast right out of the gate ("won" his first event as a WRC driver), and seems to only be getting better. If he does win the championship, it will be very much dererved.
My other thought is that I'm pretty disappointed in Mikko Hirvonen. I understand SWRT has had success with nuturing young drivers in the past (Petter) but this guy doesn't appear to have the confidence to drive fast just yet. Maybe a year in a lower class would have been a good idea? I'm sure I'll get flammed for that, but that's just the way it looks to me.
I can only think of what could have been had Marcus not run off. The second Pug ran pretty quick so this might have made for an interesting race.
I'm am gaining a deep respect for Seb Loeb. He was fast right out of the gate ("won" his first event as a WRC driver), and seems to only be getting better. If he does win the championship, it will be very much dererved.
My other thought is that I'm pretty disappointed in Mikko Hirvonen. I understand SWRT has had success with nuturing young drivers in the past (Petter) but this guy doesn't appear to have the confidence to drive fast just yet. Maybe a year in a lower class would have been a good idea? I'm sure I'll get flammed for that, but that's just the way it looks to me.
| bemani | 08-25-2004 12:55 PM |
[QUOTE=Dr. WOT]My other thought is that I'm pretty disappointed in Mikko Hirvonen. I understand SWRT has had success with nuturing young drivers in the past (Petter) but this guy doesn't appear to have the confidence to drive fast just yet. Maybe a year in a lower class would have been a good idea? I'm sure I'll get flammed for that, but that's just the way it looks to me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you will, there are alot of Mikko supporters around here (although I have no idea why they'd want to be). Confidence? I don't even think he is capable of being competitive.
Yeah you will, there are alot of Mikko supporters around here (although I have no idea why they'd want to be). Confidence? I don't even think he is capable of being competitive.
| cdvma | 08-25-2004 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]Is it me or did Nicky Grist look drunk at about the half hour mark when he was saying how people were cheering for Loeb?
Bummed/relieved for Petter/Phil..
john[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, he was drunk or very very very tired.
Crappy about Petter. Didn't he go out on a stone last year as well?
Bummed/relieved for Petter/Phil..
john[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, he was drunk or very very very tired.
Crappy about Petter. Didn't he go out on a stone last year as well?
| WRXedUSA | 08-26-2004 01:23 AM |
Expect what you want from Mikko. Remember, SWRT gave him the "go at it like gangbusters" green light from every rally after Finland. I call tell you one thing. He was, looked, and did everything slow.
Granted, he's not a tarmac guy, but some of the ways he was taking the corners (Braking too early, not on full throttle when taking off, handbrakes gone wrong).
You can't find your limit if you don't push. Maybe Burnsie will be back for sure next year. If we can get a consistantly quick, steady driver that takes care of the equipment, such as Burns or Sainz, SWRT would be a contender...
I applaud SWRT by giving the chance to Mikko, they are doing the right thing. They took a chance with Markko and Petter, and they paid off.
We just need to align our expectations with what SWRT is trying to do....
Granted, he's not a tarmac guy, but some of the ways he was taking the corners (Braking too early, not on full throttle when taking off, handbrakes gone wrong).
You can't find your limit if you don't push. Maybe Burnsie will be back for sure next year. If we can get a consistantly quick, steady driver that takes care of the equipment, such as Burns or Sainz, SWRT would be a contender...
I applaud SWRT by giving the chance to Mikko, they are doing the right thing. They took a chance with Markko and Petter, and they paid off.
We just need to align our expectations with what SWRT is trying to do....
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