| 993orSTi | 06-29-2004 09:39 PM |
Recommendations for widest rims & rubber for tracking an 04 STi
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This Fall I will be taking my 04 STi out on the track at Summit Point, WV, for their FATT days. It is non-competitive, but still tons of fun IMHO. :)
What are the widest wheels and tires I can put on my 04 STi that will fit with no rubbing or clearence issues? Currently my STi has its stock ride height with stock suspension, but next year I'll most likely want to lower it and little and stiffen up the suspension some more. Does anybody track their 04 STi that can give me insight into this? I post a similar question in the Wheel & Tire forum, but I wanted to ask the Subaru gurus in the Motorsports forum since that is my ultimate goal (getting my STi out on the track).
I checked the Wheel & Tire forum and they have listed two 17x9 wheels and a few 17x8.5 wheels. They also recommended 245/40/17 tires for 17x8.5 wheels. Will 255/40/17's on a 17x9 wheel fit on my STi with no rubbing or clearence issues? Is anybody running a setup like this on their STi out on the track?
Any and all insight into track setup for my STi is greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a good one.
Sitting in the pit, revving at 13 grand, waiting on the Lollipop man... :devil:
Tom
What are the widest wheels and tires I can put on my 04 STi that will fit with no rubbing or clearence issues? Currently my STi has its stock ride height with stock suspension, but next year I'll most likely want to lower it and little and stiffen up the suspension some more. Does anybody track their 04 STi that can give me insight into this? I post a similar question in the Wheel & Tire forum, but I wanted to ask the Subaru gurus in the Motorsports forum since that is my ultimate goal (getting my STi out on the track).
I checked the Wheel & Tire forum and they have listed two 17x9 wheels and a few 17x8.5 wheels. They also recommended 245/40/17 tires for 17x8.5 wheels. Will 255/40/17's on a 17x9 wheel fit on my STi with no rubbing or clearence issues? Is anybody running a setup like this on their STi out on the track?
Any and all insight into track setup for my STi is greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a good one.
Sitting in the pit, revving at 13 grand, waiting on the Lollipop man... :devil:
Tom
| skuttledude | 06-30-2004 01:47 PM |
I used the stock RE070's when I went to Mid-Ohio. They worked great and was able to handle the higher-g loads.
I know that didn't really answer your question, but thought you might like to know if you are undecided on compound tires.
Davis
I know that didn't really answer your question, but thought you might like to know if you are undecided on compound tires.
Davis
| RaceComp Engineering | 06-30-2004 09:56 PM |
The issue I have ( not that my opinion matters) when people ask this question is,..it sparks this question my instructors used to ask me 12 years ago......ARE you sliding through every corner to need and justify all the extra weight associated with 255s on a 8.5 inch rim?....or is it just for looks?.....And to this day I see people talk about doing these big tires and wheels ( for track days) and I just shake my head. The car is 4 wheel drive, so it has an advantage already. If you watch the Miata's carry tons of speed through turn 10, you'll understand where I'm coming from. Some 235/40-17 Hoosiers, or any "R" tire will be more than most experienced drivers would USE at Summit Point. My Porsche has a 305/30-18 on the rear and weighs 2450 with 350whp, it turns a 1.22-1.24 lap time depending on Hoosiers or Pirelli slicks,....I slide through every corner on that track, but gues what, I dont need a larger tire,......forgive me ,.I'm not flaming you, I really am not. If I am telling you something you already know, then I apologize, but I hear alot of my students talk about stuffing these huge tires under the fenders, and I watch most of then barely push what comes on the car. For looks,..I am the first person to say, hell yeah !! because the WRX and sTi look great with a big tire stuffed under the wheels wells,...but for a track day, esp if yu havent driven THAT car there,..you may be very surprised how well, the stock tires do at the track. The main thing I see people do is over heat the tires within a lap. The bridgestones are very good, but you need to baby them, and be smooth,.as they will tell you when they are full, and when they need to burp !!
Again, just a different approach to helping someone, sorry if I got worked up. If you need some help this fall, I'll instruct you, let me know, but maybe drive that thing first stock, if you havent already.
944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
[url]www.racecompengineering.com[/url]
2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell
Again, just a different approach to helping someone, sorry if I got worked up. If you need some help this fall, I'll instruct you, let me know, but maybe drive that thing first stock, if you havent already.
944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
[url]www.racecompengineering.com[/url]
2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell
| turboICE | 07-01-2004 02:11 PM |
Stick with the 70's for the time being. 7 track days, 10k miles, and several auto-x's on mine and I figure at least three more and most likely will seek out a set of used ones to replace them when they are spent. They work as they need to for HPDE.
Actually if you get big wheels/tires for street or auto-x usage, I would even recommend swapping back to stock at the track.
Actually if you get big wheels/tires for street or auto-x usage, I would even recommend swapping back to stock at the track.
| Midnight_Gold | 07-01-2004 03:03 PM |
Stock rims can take 245 Azenis no problem...
And there weight difference is insignificant, IMHO..
- Miranda
And there weight difference is insignificant, IMHO..
- Miranda
| XT6Wagon | 07-01-2004 03:29 PM |
I'd stick with 245's. More tire selection, easier to get in time for a sat tradday when you find at 5pm friday that one of the tires was damaged at the last track day and not usable.
| 993orSTi | 07-01-2004 04:30 PM |
All of my track gigs this Fall (7 total) will be on stock setup so I can establish a mental frame of reference so next year when I test a mod out on the track I will know if I made my STi better in my opinion or worse. Although, I have heard that the stock brake pads will be lucky to make it through 1 day at the track let alone a 3 day track weekend. Any truth to that?
Myles -- its cool; keep it honest, keep it candid. Since I am 37 and do not have my SCCA competition license and missed my opportunity as a teenager to become a professional driver (that someone would actually pay me to drive), I am out there in the non-competitive track day events to improve my driving skills and to have fun. I go-kart race for years, but tossing a 100 pound or so go-kart into turns is a lot different that "tossing" a 3000+lbs car into the turns, so I have a ways to go before the car becomes the limiting factor in me achieving faster lap times.
So yes, I fully admit that the desire for wider tires is for looks and more for my STi to "look the part" while at the track than it is because my skillset has reached the limits of the stock capabilities of my STi. Bottom line, its just cool! I don't get to do too many of these gigs throughout the year (this Fall is the exception), so when I do get to the track; even though my car is not the fastest nor my current skillset capable enough to put me in the top three to get me on the podium so to say, I enjoy trying to make my car at least looks and sounds the part with the balls to back it up. And I am not talking Folger coffee can exhaust either... :)
I loved the sounds and looks of the Trans Am cars of the late 60's and early 70's. The wide fender flairs with huge meats tucked under there front and back! Large front air dams and functional rear wings, side dumps for exhaust, low-profile suspension -- its all good stuff. In Hot Rodding today if you did that they call it a "g-Machine." To me, my STi represents everything a modern-day MOPAR should be: 440 6-Pack air grabber hood, Daytona 500 rear wing, wide fender flairs (although could be wider for my tastes), all it needs is a vertical bee stripe and a SuperBee decal and I'm all set. :devil: But that's me, I'm old school with a passion for performance. :) I love all kinds of performance cars, that's my disease and I love my Subaru!
Anyway, keep the STi track setup comments and discussions coming. Its all good stuff! I am only in the collection data, research and information gathering stage. I won't be ready to make any wheel and tire decsision until Spring next year! :) Just starting the process of trying to gather data points along the way.
All - have a great (and safe) Holiday weekend!
Tom
Myles -- its cool; keep it honest, keep it candid. Since I am 37 and do not have my SCCA competition license and missed my opportunity as a teenager to become a professional driver (that someone would actually pay me to drive), I am out there in the non-competitive track day events to improve my driving skills and to have fun. I go-kart race for years, but tossing a 100 pound or so go-kart into turns is a lot different that "tossing" a 3000+lbs car into the turns, so I have a ways to go before the car becomes the limiting factor in me achieving faster lap times.
So yes, I fully admit that the desire for wider tires is for looks and more for my STi to "look the part" while at the track than it is because my skillset has reached the limits of the stock capabilities of my STi. Bottom line, its just cool! I don't get to do too many of these gigs throughout the year (this Fall is the exception), so when I do get to the track; even though my car is not the fastest nor my current skillset capable enough to put me in the top three to get me on the podium so to say, I enjoy trying to make my car at least looks and sounds the part with the balls to back it up. And I am not talking Folger coffee can exhaust either... :)
I loved the sounds and looks of the Trans Am cars of the late 60's and early 70's. The wide fender flairs with huge meats tucked under there front and back! Large front air dams and functional rear wings, side dumps for exhaust, low-profile suspension -- its all good stuff. In Hot Rodding today if you did that they call it a "g-Machine." To me, my STi represents everything a modern-day MOPAR should be: 440 6-Pack air grabber hood, Daytona 500 rear wing, wide fender flairs (although could be wider for my tastes), all it needs is a vertical bee stripe and a SuperBee decal and I'm all set. :devil: But that's me, I'm old school with a passion for performance. :) I love all kinds of performance cars, that's my disease and I love my Subaru!
Anyway, keep the STi track setup comments and discussions coming. Its all good stuff! I am only in the collection data, research and information gathering stage. I won't be ready to make any wheel and tire decsision until Spring next year! :) Just starting the process of trying to gather data points along the way.
All - have a great (and safe) Holiday weekend!
Tom
| turboICE | 07-01-2004 04:56 PM |
255's have been run successfully for Auto-X on stock wheels but I think on the track I would want a wider wheel - especially with the gravel pits at summit. It is bad enough if you happen to get into one sideways and would be even worse if the bead popped from the stresses of a pit excursion.
The brake situation is this on OEM pads if you have less than say 2/3 I wouldn't do it without having a backup set. For street and track use I like the Ferodo DS 2500 alot, though I am getting to the point where I may use the DS 3000 on the track. The only reason I haven't yet is that the stock rotors seem to be unduly soft or some other significant material shortcoming - whether on stock or Ferodo pads. I am basing this on mine and others' experience that I have witnessed. The rotor wear is just abnormal on heavy use track or otherwise.
[img]http://chargedperformance.com/albums/PDA-2004-05-08/20040508PoconoEast100_1151.sized.jpg[/img]
Up until recently there were no good alternatives available. However now that there is a new replacement set out from a company less than a mile from me we will find out as soon as next Saturday (July 10) whether or not the improved rotor materials make a difference stopping the momentum the STi is able to generate.
I am a fan of baselining a car and one mod at a time methods, but for the STi I am comfortable saying that good brake fluid (like Castrol SRF), stainless steel brake lines and upgraded pads (like the Ferodos) are a good bet even for the first track day. After next Saturday I expect to be able to say the same for the rotors.
The brake situation is this on OEM pads if you have less than say 2/3 I wouldn't do it without having a backup set. For street and track use I like the Ferodo DS 2500 alot, though I am getting to the point where I may use the DS 3000 on the track. The only reason I haven't yet is that the stock rotors seem to be unduly soft or some other significant material shortcoming - whether on stock or Ferodo pads. I am basing this on mine and others' experience that I have witnessed. The rotor wear is just abnormal on heavy use track or otherwise.
[img]http://chargedperformance.com/albums/PDA-2004-05-08/20040508PoconoEast100_1151.sized.jpg[/img]
Up until recently there were no good alternatives available. However now that there is a new replacement set out from a company less than a mile from me we will find out as soon as next Saturday (July 10) whether or not the improved rotor materials make a difference stopping the momentum the STi is able to generate.
I am a fan of baselining a car and one mod at a time methods, but for the STi I am comfortable saying that good brake fluid (like Castrol SRF), stainless steel brake lines and upgraded pads (like the Ferodos) are a good bet even for the first track day. After next Saturday I expect to be able to say the same for the rotors.
| 993orSTi | 07-01-2004 06:20 PM |
turboICE, keep us posted on the rotor replacements.
:)
I have cans of ATE SuperBlue left from my Corrado VR6 project/track car with Porsche brake upgrade kit on. I'll need to buy SS brake lines and another set of pads for the STi. A guy I just met at this months PCA meeting, who tracks his 2003 WRX swears buy CARBOTECH pads ([url]http://www.carbotecheng.com[/url]). I need to check them out.
Just so I am clear. Is the recommendation to replace brake lines, juice and pads even before I go to my first track event at the end of August or no stick with stock? I will have approximately 4000 miles on my STi by that time with 85% of them being "normal" (non-spirited) daily driving so I hope my stock pads will not have too much wear on them.
Its a three day event weekend. I don't want to pay all of that squid and be SOL break-wise after the first day! Well, bottom line I'll buy all of those components now and have them. Worst case I'll have the STi up on jackstands after the first session swapping lines, juice & pads. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the insight -- keep'em coming...
:devil:
:)
I have cans of ATE SuperBlue left from my Corrado VR6 project/track car with Porsche brake upgrade kit on. I'll need to buy SS brake lines and another set of pads for the STi. A guy I just met at this months PCA meeting, who tracks his 2003 WRX swears buy CARBOTECH pads ([url]http://www.carbotecheng.com[/url]). I need to check them out.
Just so I am clear. Is the recommendation to replace brake lines, juice and pads even before I go to my first track event at the end of August or no stick with stock? I will have approximately 4000 miles on my STi by that time with 85% of them being "normal" (non-spirited) daily driving so I hope my stock pads will not have too much wear on them.
Its a three day event weekend. I don't want to pay all of that squid and be SOL break-wise after the first day! Well, bottom line I'll buy all of those components now and have them. Worst case I'll have the STi up on jackstands after the first session swapping lines, juice & pads. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the insight -- keep'em coming...
:devil:
| RaceComp Engineering | 07-01-2004 06:28 PM |
Tom, kool,...glad you got something from my ranting !! Just trying to help. Did you ever see the IMSA Audis at /Summit in 89'..?
That was amazing, and Willy T. Ribbs set the track record that held up for 10 years,..incredible..
944 turbo guy
That was amazing, and Willy T. Ribbs set the track record that held up for 10 years,..incredible..
944 turbo guy
| turboICE | 07-01-2004 06:42 PM |
Yeah I would do the brake upgrades before going. This isn't something like suspension where you don't know until you go out there what needs improvement for you. You can be assured in advance from the 140 mph front speeds into the 40 mph turn 1 your brakes will get a work out. Of course not long afterwards you are going down the chute into the carosel. For a long fast track Summit has some heavy braking, fortunately once through the carosel there is some cooling off.
Pads are so easy to switch on the STi. Bring back up pads either way. I carry my stock pads around in case I ever need them to get home after a track weekend.
Mentioning the possibility of doing fluid at the track, I also recommend speed bleeders as they just make life so easy when you want to bleed a bit off between sessions.
Pads are so easy to switch on the STi. Bring back up pads either way. I carry my stock pads around in case I ever need them to get home after a track weekend.
Mentioning the possibility of doing fluid at the track, I also recommend speed bleeders as they just make life so easy when you want to bleed a bit off between sessions.
| 993orSTi | 07-01-2004 09:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by turboICE[/i]
[B] Yeah I would do the brake upgrades before going. [...]
Pads are so easy to switch on the STi. Bring back up pads either way. I carry my stock pads around in case I ever need them to get home after a track weekend.
Mentioning the possibility of doing fluid at the track, I also recommend speed bleeders as they just make life so easy when you want to bleed a bit off between sessions. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks, I'll plan on doing that. :)
I haven't searched yet, but is there a write-up/thread at details how to swap pads on the STi? turboICE, any chance you having some time to write and talk us through that?
:D
I was planing on getting a speed bleeder. Which one do you understand?
Tom
[B] Yeah I would do the brake upgrades before going. [...]
Pads are so easy to switch on the STi. Bring back up pads either way. I carry my stock pads around in case I ever need them to get home after a track weekend.
Mentioning the possibility of doing fluid at the track, I also recommend speed bleeders as they just make life so easy when you want to bleed a bit off between sessions. [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks, I'll plan on doing that. :)
I haven't searched yet, but is there a write-up/thread at details how to swap pads on the STi? turboICE, any chance you having some time to write and talk us through that?
:D
I was planing on getting a speed bleeder. Which one do you understand?
Tom
| 993orSTi | 07-01-2004 09:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RaceComp Engineering[/i]
[B] Tom, kool,...glad you got something from my ranting !! Just trying to help. Did you ever see the IMSA Audis at /Summit in 89'..?
That was amazing, and Willy T. Ribbs set the track record that held up for 10 years,..incredible..
944 turbo guy [/B][/QUOTE]
No man, I wish! That would have been a defining moment in my life for sure! :D Although, this Fall I was able to schedule a pretty decent line-up for myself. Last weekend of August I'll be at Summit Point with my local PCA chapter/region DE event, which will be held on the Jeffereson Circuit for 3 days. Then the whole family is heading up to the Glen for the Zippo Grand Prix weekend SVRA event in September. September 17th I'll take the STi back down to Summit Point for one of their FATT days. Then in October I'll have the STi back down there for FATT days on 10/1, 10/15 and 10/29. I'll probably have to buy another set of brake pads and bleed the juice for either the 10/1 gig or the 10/15 gig. I hope the tires will last through October then after that I'll replace them with a good set of all season radial and save the 17x8.5's or 17x9's for 2005 and put track tires on them. :)
It would be nice to see a few STi's at Summit for one or more of those FATT days. Hint...hint... :) My personal goal is to get signed off so I can participate in Summit Point's seat-time days, but small steps. In March when I ran I got one signature. I hope to be able to get two signatures on 9/17 to run in group 2i on FATT days and take it from there. Small steps...
If any of you cats will be at the Zippo GP let me know. It would be awesome to put some faces to these posts! :)
Later...
Tom
[B] Tom, kool,...glad you got something from my ranting !! Just trying to help. Did you ever see the IMSA Audis at /Summit in 89'..?
That was amazing, and Willy T. Ribbs set the track record that held up for 10 years,..incredible..
944 turbo guy [/B][/QUOTE]
No man, I wish! That would have been a defining moment in my life for sure! :D Although, this Fall I was able to schedule a pretty decent line-up for myself. Last weekend of August I'll be at Summit Point with my local PCA chapter/region DE event, which will be held on the Jeffereson Circuit for 3 days. Then the whole family is heading up to the Glen for the Zippo Grand Prix weekend SVRA event in September. September 17th I'll take the STi back down to Summit Point for one of their FATT days. Then in October I'll have the STi back down there for FATT days on 10/1, 10/15 and 10/29. I'll probably have to buy another set of brake pads and bleed the juice for either the 10/1 gig or the 10/15 gig. I hope the tires will last through October then after that I'll replace them with a good set of all season radial and save the 17x8.5's or 17x9's for 2005 and put track tires on them. :)
It would be nice to see a few STi's at Summit for one or more of those FATT days. Hint...hint... :) My personal goal is to get signed off so I can participate in Summit Point's seat-time days, but small steps. In March when I ran I got one signature. I hope to be able to get two signatures on 9/17 to run in group 2i on FATT days and take it from there. Small steps...
If any of you cats will be at the Zippo GP let me know. It would be awesome to put some faces to these posts! :)
Later...
Tom
| turboICE | 07-01-2004 10:28 PM |
In short:
The calipers have to pins on the back that keep a plate and the pads in place. They are prevented from slipping out with cotter pins car side of the calipers.
Remove the cotter pins (dont't lose them ;) )
Tap out one of the pins
Loosen up the other
Remove the plate
Tap out the other pin
Using two pry tools, press the pads in to get the pistons compressed - if you don't do this you will never get the new ones in.
Put the pads in
Put one pin in loosely
Put the plate in
Put the other pin all the way
Put the first one all the way in
Reinstall the cotter pin
We use the Speed Bleeder brand.
[img]http://chargedperformance.ixwebhosting.com/catalog/images/SpeedBleeder.gif[/img]
10mm thread short - stainless.
Remember you need 8 of them (2 for each caliper).
The calipers have to pins on the back that keep a plate and the pads in place. They are prevented from slipping out with cotter pins car side of the calipers.
Remove the cotter pins (dont't lose them ;) )
Tap out one of the pins
Loosen up the other
Remove the plate
Tap out the other pin
Using two pry tools, press the pads in to get the pistons compressed - if you don't do this you will never get the new ones in.
Put the pads in
Put one pin in loosely
Put the plate in
Put the other pin all the way
Put the first one all the way in
Reinstall the cotter pin
We use the Speed Bleeder brand.
[img]http://chargedperformance.ixwebhosting.com/catalog/images/SpeedBleeder.gif[/img]
10mm thread short - stainless.
Remember you need 8 of them (2 for each caliper).
| RaceComp Engineering | 07-01-2004 11:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 993orSTi [/i]
[B]No man, I wish! That would have been a defining moment in my life for sure! :D Although, this Fall I was able to schedule a pretty decent line-up for myself. Last weekend of August I'll be at Summit Point with my local PCA chapter/region DE event, which will be held on the Jeffereson Circuit for 3 days. Then the whole family is heading up to the Glen for the Zippo Grand Prix weekend SVRA event in September. September 17th I'll take the STi back down to Summit Point for one of their FATT days. Then in October I'll have the STi back down there for FATT days on 10/1, 10/15 and 10/29. I'll probably have to buy another set of brake pads and bleed the juice for either the 10/1 gig or the 10/15 gig. I hope the tires will last through October then after that I'll replace them with a good set of all season radial and save the 17x8.5's or 17x9's for 2005 and put track tires on them. :)
It would be nice to see a few STi's at Summit for one or more of those FATT days. Hint...hint... :) My personal goal is to get signed off so I can participate in Summit Point's seat-time days, but small steps. In March when I ran I got one signature. I hope to be able to get two signatures on 9/17 to run in group 2i on FATT days and take it from there. Small steps...
If any of you cats will be at the Zippo GP let me know. It would be awesome to put some faces to these posts! :)
Later...
Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Pretty good schedule, I wont be instructing too much this fall. We go to Sonoma Infineon Raceway for ALMS and Speed July 16, then I am doing a 3 day Jim Hall shifter Kart school July 20,21,22. Trying to get the Porsche back on the track so I can sell it in August, so that means taking it to the track so "dude" can see it and buy it. Then September 10,11, and 12, I go back to PANOZ for a lapping day with a PRO guy one on one coaching then a 2 day advanced school where most of the other drivers are SPeed TC and GT drivers who havent raced at Road Atlanta, or are in need of extra track time there. So thats gonna be my high light,...
If mid pack or better, maybe a PAnoz Pro race the next weekend at Petite Lemans,..kinda just stay down there. The other part of my advanced class will be the Panoz Pro guys getting extra time in also, so its gonna be a step up to the plate kinda week for sure. Wish me luck !! I'll need it.
944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
[url]www.racecompengineering.com[/url]
2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell
PS. if ya let me know I may be able to come up for your "sign off party",..but I am pretty hard on people before they get signed off, as most people never have instructors again, and thats not what we want to see. So let me know. Brian Zellner, Jon Winter, and a host of other veteran instructors are good to ride with you. Keep in mind , things happen alot faster in Seat time, than at FATT or in a PCA DE event. Some times, its like "anything goes", same thing when people pass under yellow and no one knows but you and the guy that passed you. Something to think about.
cheers-
[B]No man, I wish! That would have been a defining moment in my life for sure! :D Although, this Fall I was able to schedule a pretty decent line-up for myself. Last weekend of August I'll be at Summit Point with my local PCA chapter/region DE event, which will be held on the Jeffereson Circuit for 3 days. Then the whole family is heading up to the Glen for the Zippo Grand Prix weekend SVRA event in September. September 17th I'll take the STi back down to Summit Point for one of their FATT days. Then in October I'll have the STi back down there for FATT days on 10/1, 10/15 and 10/29. I'll probably have to buy another set of brake pads and bleed the juice for either the 10/1 gig or the 10/15 gig. I hope the tires will last through October then after that I'll replace them with a good set of all season radial and save the 17x8.5's or 17x9's for 2005 and put track tires on them. :)
It would be nice to see a few STi's at Summit for one or more of those FATT days. Hint...hint... :) My personal goal is to get signed off so I can participate in Summit Point's seat-time days, but small steps. In March when I ran I got one signature. I hope to be able to get two signatures on 9/17 to run in group 2i on FATT days and take it from there. Small steps...
If any of you cats will be at the Zippo GP let me know. It would be awesome to put some faces to these posts! :)
Later...
Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Pretty good schedule, I wont be instructing too much this fall. We go to Sonoma Infineon Raceway for ALMS and Speed July 16, then I am doing a 3 day Jim Hall shifter Kart school July 20,21,22. Trying to get the Porsche back on the track so I can sell it in August, so that means taking it to the track so "dude" can see it and buy it. Then September 10,11, and 12, I go back to PANOZ for a lapping day with a PRO guy one on one coaching then a 2 day advanced school where most of the other drivers are SPeed TC and GT drivers who havent raced at Road Atlanta, or are in need of extra track time there. So thats gonna be my high light,...
If mid pack or better, maybe a PAnoz Pro race the next weekend at Petite Lemans,..kinda just stay down there. The other part of my advanced class will be the Panoz Pro guys getting extra time in also, so its gonna be a step up to the plate kinda week for sure. Wish me luck !! I'll need it.
944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
Racecomp Engineering LLC
[url]www.racecompengineering.com[/url]
2720 Sisson st .
Baltimore, Md 21211
410-366-RACE (7223)
410-707-0108 cell
PS. if ya let me know I may be able to come up for your "sign off party",..but I am pretty hard on people before they get signed off, as most people never have instructors again, and thats not what we want to see. So let me know. Brian Zellner, Jon Winter, and a host of other veteran instructors are good to ride with you. Keep in mind , things happen alot faster in Seat time, than at FATT or in a PCA DE event. Some times, its like "anything goes", same thing when people pass under yellow and no one knows but you and the guy that passed you. Something to think about.
cheers-
| 993orSTi | 07-02-2004 08:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RaceComp Engineering[/i]
[B] PS. if ya let me know I may be able to come up for your "sign off party",
[/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, easy there -- small steps! :)
[QUOTE][B]
..but I am pretty hard on people before they get signed off, as most people never have instructors again, and thats not what we want to see. [...]
[/B][/QUOTE]
Really? I was planning on and hoping that I could get an instructor for at least one session if not two during seat-time days. If I ever thought I "knew it all" and was at that level I'd be changing professions because I'd have a paid ride! :)
[QUOTE][B]
Keep in mind , things happen alot faster in Seat time, than at FATT or in a PCA DE event. Some times, its like "anything goes", same thing when people pass under yellow and no one knows but you and the guy that passed you. Something to think about.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yea, I had something like that happen to me at my last FATT Day in March, somebody passed me in turn 10 way late (forced me offline in turn 10 and almost into the marbles) and I didn't even point them to pass! There was a slow person ahead of me and there would have been nowhere for them to go, so I was going to point them to pass as soon as I completed the turn but he couldn't wait appearently! My instructor gave me a thumbs-up for being heads-up and I saw the instructor in the other car "brow-beating" the driver for the clown-move. :lol: Well, let me qualify that, a "clown-move" for a FATT day with potential for public squirrel being in over their head, but a valid move if in competition. But FATT days are non-competitive and I think about being predictable, being safe and having fun in the process. Doing a competitive move in a non-competitive event is just asking for trouble (and an accident) if you ask me.
Tom
[B] PS. if ya let me know I may be able to come up for your "sign off party",
[/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, easy there -- small steps! :)
[QUOTE][B]
..but I am pretty hard on people before they get signed off, as most people never have instructors again, and thats not what we want to see. [...]
[/B][/QUOTE]
Really? I was planning on and hoping that I could get an instructor for at least one session if not two during seat-time days. If I ever thought I "knew it all" and was at that level I'd be changing professions because I'd have a paid ride! :)
[QUOTE][B]
Keep in mind , things happen alot faster in Seat time, than at FATT or in a PCA DE event. Some times, its like "anything goes", same thing when people pass under yellow and no one knows but you and the guy that passed you. Something to think about.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yea, I had something like that happen to me at my last FATT Day in March, somebody passed me in turn 10 way late (forced me offline in turn 10 and almost into the marbles) and I didn't even point them to pass! There was a slow person ahead of me and there would have been nowhere for them to go, so I was going to point them to pass as soon as I completed the turn but he couldn't wait appearently! My instructor gave me a thumbs-up for being heads-up and I saw the instructor in the other car "brow-beating" the driver for the clown-move. :lol: Well, let me qualify that, a "clown-move" for a FATT day with potential for public squirrel being in over their head, but a valid move if in competition. But FATT days are non-competitive and I think about being predictable, being safe and having fun in the process. Doing a competitive move in a non-competitive event is just asking for trouble (and an accident) if you ask me.
Tom
| RaceComp Engineering | 07-02-2004 10:09 PM |
Tom , sounds like your head is i the right place,.as alt of people are'nt as smart as you. I see alot of guys , get signed off and thats it. Its only a matter of time before they learn the hard way. If and when, you get signed off, if you want an instructor to come to seat time, CALL me, I'll come up, spend most of thday with you, if you want it.Keep in mind I've made this offer maaaaany of s on this board, and no -one has ever taken me up on it, I even offered one guy(cough) who wined about being broke, yet he coud modify his WRX to the hilt,....I even offered to pay for his FATT, and he still hasnt come !! So let me know,.and say in touch.
944turbo guy
944turbo guy
| 993orSTi | 07-03-2004 06:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RaceComp Engineering[/i]
[B] Tom , sounds like your head is i the right place,.as alt of people are'nt as smart as you. I see alot of guys , get signed off and thats it. Its only a matter of time before they learn the hard way. If and when, you get signed off, if you want an instructor to come to seat time, CALL me, I'll come up, spend most of thday with you, if you want it.Keep in mind I've made this offer maaaaany of s on this board, and no -one has ever taken me up on it, I even offered one guy(cough) who wined about being broke, yet he coud modify his WRX to the hilt,....I even offered to pay for his FATT, and he still hasnt come !! So let me know,.and say in touch.
944turbo guy [/B][/QUOTE]
You buying? I'm flying (to the track that is)! :) Don't have to ask me twice! :devil:
Seriously though, thank you for the offer. I'll be at Summit Point 7 times between August and October. From your previous post it sounds like you have a pretty solid schedule this Fall as well. So if not this Fall then as soon as the snow thaws in the Spring!
:)
Tom
[B] Tom , sounds like your head is i the right place,.as alt of people are'nt as smart as you. I see alot of guys , get signed off and thats it. Its only a matter of time before they learn the hard way. If and when, you get signed off, if you want an instructor to come to seat time, CALL me, I'll come up, spend most of thday with you, if you want it.Keep in mind I've made this offer maaaaany of s on this board, and no -one has ever taken me up on it, I even offered one guy(cough) who wined about being broke, yet he coud modify his WRX to the hilt,....I even offered to pay for his FATT, and he still hasnt come !! So let me know,.and say in touch.
944turbo guy [/B][/QUOTE]
You buying? I'm flying (to the track that is)! :) Don't have to ask me twice! :devil:
Seriously though, thank you for the offer. I'll be at Summit Point 7 times between August and October. From your previous post it sounds like you have a pretty solid schedule this Fall as well. So if not this Fall then as soon as the snow thaws in the Spring!
:)
Tom
| RaceComp Engineering | 07-03-2004 07:16 PM |
Ohhh nooooo, I was just making a point, as that last time, I realized that some things arent as important to some people. I have stock stereo in my car, I saw a guy, with a new sTi ,..like 2 weeks old, who had a wide screen Pioneer and DVD plater , surround sound and 400 watts. This guy was complaining about the ways the car handles, brakes, and etc,....everyone has different priorities.
Myles
Myles
| 993orSTi | 07-03-2004 09:06 PM |
I know. Its cool! :cool:
I've had my STi for 3 months; still no stereo...
:devil:
July - Harness bar & harnesses
August - SS Brake lines, speed bleeders, juice & pads
September/October - Enjoy track days
November - New tires
December - stereo (maybe???)
:)
Tom
I've had my STi for 3 months; still no stereo...
:devil:
July - Harness bar & harnesses
August - SS Brake lines, speed bleeders, juice & pads
September/October - Enjoy track days
November - New tires
December - stereo (maybe???)
:)
Tom
| fastwrx | 09-15-2004 10:51 PM |
I've searched and this thread is the closest to my question.
I have an 04 STi that I take to HPDE events. I used to have an 02 WRX and bought a separate set of wheels / tires for track days. I've been using them on my STi, even though they are actually a half-inch narrower than the stock wheels. They are Team Dynamics 17" x 7". I figured, I might as well at least burn up the Falken Azenis (225/45Z R17) I paid good money for. [:)] Amazingly, the STi does quite well even on the narrower wheels.
I'm ready to upgrade. I'm NOT interested in looks. I care only about performance. I'd like to have a separate set of wheels for my STi for track days. I figure an 8" width would give a bit more grip. The lighter the better. I don't want to add unnecessary unsprung weight. While money is not a big issue, I don't want to spend a lot of money on wheels that are more bling than performance. Ugly is OK.
So, I'm asking for recommendations on wheels. Brand, model, size. For tires, I think I'll go back to Proxes RA-1. I liked them better than the Azeni Sports.
All comments welcome! Thanks!
Mike
I have an 04 STi that I take to HPDE events. I used to have an 02 WRX and bought a separate set of wheels / tires for track days. I've been using them on my STi, even though they are actually a half-inch narrower than the stock wheels. They are Team Dynamics 17" x 7". I figured, I might as well at least burn up the Falken Azenis (225/45Z R17) I paid good money for. [:)] Amazingly, the STi does quite well even on the narrower wheels.
I'm ready to upgrade. I'm NOT interested in looks. I care only about performance. I'd like to have a separate set of wheels for my STi for track days. I figure an 8" width would give a bit more grip. The lighter the better. I don't want to add unnecessary unsprung weight. While money is not a big issue, I don't want to spend a lot of money on wheels that are more bling than performance. Ugly is OK.
So, I'm asking for recommendations on wheels. Brand, model, size. For tires, I think I'll go back to Proxes RA-1. I liked them better than the Azeni Sports.
All comments welcome! Thanks!
Mike
| RaceComp Engineering | 09-15-2004 10:56 PM |
245/35/18, Dunlop Super sports (R) compound. on SSR competitions, 18x8..done deal......................or I have a set of BBS "RE" 18x8, with those same tires on them for $ 2100.00, rims are 4 months old, tires are on UPS truck in harrisburg junction,.....so they have no miles on them !!
944 turbo guy
944 turbo guy
| XT6Wagon | 09-15-2004 10:58 PM |
I have a set of 57S in 17X8.5 wide... which really needs wider fenders to run right as the offset is a might off and thats a big rim.
| TRM | 09-16-2004 05:30 AM |
i did the FATT in May on the stock RE070's.
even had Myles as my instructor for two of the sessions :)
i can say once i dialed in the pressures i was extremely happy with their performance. mind you i was learning the track and the car as well.
good idea Tom to get it sorted out this year on stockers, then have better understanding of what to do with R compounds next year...very smart IMO.
:D
[URL=http://www.velozt.net]velozt racing[/URL]
even had Myles as my instructor for two of the sessions :)
i can say once i dialed in the pressures i was extremely happy with their performance. mind you i was learning the track and the car as well.
good idea Tom to get it sorted out this year on stockers, then have better understanding of what to do with R compounds next year...very smart IMO.
:D
[URL=http://www.velozt.net]velozt racing[/URL]
| RaceComp Engineering | 09-16-2004 08:05 AM |
hey man, how are you?...I saw those pics you sent me,...how did that happen?......
944 turbo guy
944 turbo guy
| 993orSTi | 09-16-2004 10:49 AM |
Hey Mike,
Sounds like you and I are a lot alike in that respect. I too am not concerned with looks and want the lightest, widest wheel that will fit without suspension or fender clearence issues as I can for the least amount of money. I rather spend the money on competition rubber. :) I haven't purchased any track wheels yet but there is another thread "Wheels that will fit the STi" that I have been monitoring. I have narrowed my search down to Enkei ES-Tarmac = 17x9 ET50 (16 lbs) and SSR Competition = 17x8.5 ET48 (15.3 lbs). I have decided to stay with 17" wheels, tires seems to be cheaper for them -- "racing" on a budget you know... :) I haven't purchased wheels yet since after my first 3 day track event in my STi this past August I found that I need to "dial-in" my suspension and choice of brake pads first. Depending on what I do suspension-wise will dictate what wheel I can then use. Way too much body roll for my liking out on the track and although I upgraded my brake pads to Ferodo DS2500 pads (marketed as AutoX and weekend Driver Ed. track pads), they still weren't aggressive enough for me out on the track. They definitely are better than the stock pads with excellent initial (cold) bite, but IMHO, they dropped off too much when they got hot. My STi had plenty more grunt on the front straight away than I could use, but I didn't feel confident enough to consistantly haul it back down in time to make turn one (went out to the rumble strip a few times in turn 1, missing (obviously) my turn-in point, but at least I kept out of the grass and subsequent kitty litter :) ). So I need more seat-time to do some testing, adjusting of brake points, and fine-tuning/narrowing pads of choice in addition to determining what I need to do to reduce the body roll. :) My background is racing go-karts with zero suspension, so I have some suspension-tuning things to learn before I get my STi to where I would like it. Of course it is back to the drawing board when I go to another track! :)
I'm surprised you got such good cornering performance out of your 17x7 wheels -- must have been the rubber! :) In August when I participated in the 3 day HPDE weekend event, weather was in the high 80's to low 90's all weekend. I was disapponted in the stock RE070 tires on my 04 STi. It seemed like after the 4th or 5th lap of each session they got too hot and greasy and I was all over the place. I was 4-wheel drifting and by the third day in my third session my Rear Diff Temp warning light came on for a second, so I pulled into the paddock and called it a weekend; let her rest several hours until I packed up and got her ready to drive home (missing my 4th session). I definitely heat-cycled and shaved the crap out of my tires! :) I'll use them up, but doubtful if I will buy them again. This winter I'll get a decent set of all-season tires to replace them to get me all year round and then buy dedicated track tires in the Spring for the 05 season. :)
Have you given any thought as to how you are going to get the track tires down to the track? With all of the other stuff I take my trunk and back seat are full (Quick Shade tent for the car in the paddock, two folding chairs, cooler of water and snacks, tools, jack and jackstands, etc.). Were you planning on putting them on before driving to the track or when you got there? For how expensive they are, it seems like wasted money to drive to the track with them on. I noticed on Subaru's web site in their Accessories section for the new Outback there is a "Roof Cargo Basket - Heavy Duty" that looks like it comes with rails to attach it to the roof at the windows and looks like it would be large enough to hold 4 mounted track wheels so you could get them to/from the track and put them on when you got there (obviously taking off the cargo basket to do your runs for the day and then putting it back on to get home). I wonder if that would work and fit on our STi's? Of course it is more work in the paddock before and after the DE event. :(
Tom
Sounds like you and I are a lot alike in that respect. I too am not concerned with looks and want the lightest, widest wheel that will fit without suspension or fender clearence issues as I can for the least amount of money. I rather spend the money on competition rubber. :) I haven't purchased any track wheels yet but there is another thread "Wheels that will fit the STi" that I have been monitoring. I have narrowed my search down to Enkei ES-Tarmac = 17x9 ET50 (16 lbs) and SSR Competition = 17x8.5 ET48 (15.3 lbs). I have decided to stay with 17" wheels, tires seems to be cheaper for them -- "racing" on a budget you know... :) I haven't purchased wheels yet since after my first 3 day track event in my STi this past August I found that I need to "dial-in" my suspension and choice of brake pads first. Depending on what I do suspension-wise will dictate what wheel I can then use. Way too much body roll for my liking out on the track and although I upgraded my brake pads to Ferodo DS2500 pads (marketed as AutoX and weekend Driver Ed. track pads), they still weren't aggressive enough for me out on the track. They definitely are better than the stock pads with excellent initial (cold) bite, but IMHO, they dropped off too much when they got hot. My STi had plenty more grunt on the front straight away than I could use, but I didn't feel confident enough to consistantly haul it back down in time to make turn one (went out to the rumble strip a few times in turn 1, missing (obviously) my turn-in point, but at least I kept out of the grass and subsequent kitty litter :) ). So I need more seat-time to do some testing, adjusting of brake points, and fine-tuning/narrowing pads of choice in addition to determining what I need to do to reduce the body roll. :) My background is racing go-karts with zero suspension, so I have some suspension-tuning things to learn before I get my STi to where I would like it. Of course it is back to the drawing board when I go to another track! :)
I'm surprised you got such good cornering performance out of your 17x7 wheels -- must have been the rubber! :) In August when I participated in the 3 day HPDE weekend event, weather was in the high 80's to low 90's all weekend. I was disapponted in the stock RE070 tires on my 04 STi. It seemed like after the 4th or 5th lap of each session they got too hot and greasy and I was all over the place. I was 4-wheel drifting and by the third day in my third session my Rear Diff Temp warning light came on for a second, so I pulled into the paddock and called it a weekend; let her rest several hours until I packed up and got her ready to drive home (missing my 4th session). I definitely heat-cycled and shaved the crap out of my tires! :) I'll use them up, but doubtful if I will buy them again. This winter I'll get a decent set of all-season tires to replace them to get me all year round and then buy dedicated track tires in the Spring for the 05 season. :)
Have you given any thought as to how you are going to get the track tires down to the track? With all of the other stuff I take my trunk and back seat are full (Quick Shade tent for the car in the paddock, two folding chairs, cooler of water and snacks, tools, jack and jackstands, etc.). Were you planning on putting them on before driving to the track or when you got there? For how expensive they are, it seems like wasted money to drive to the track with them on. I noticed on Subaru's web site in their Accessories section for the new Outback there is a "Roof Cargo Basket - Heavy Duty" that looks like it comes with rails to attach it to the roof at the windows and looks like it would be large enough to hold 4 mounted track wheels so you could get them to/from the track and put them on when you got there (obviously taking off the cargo basket to do your runs for the day and then putting it back on to get home). I wonder if that would work and fit on our STi's? Of course it is more work in the paddock before and after the DE event. :(
Tom
| turboICE | 09-16-2004 11:00 AM |
The loss in bite when the DS2500s when heated are from the rotor being too soft for the temperatures not from pad fade. The rotor surface is actually giving up the friction surface that the pads are looking for as the rotors heat up. After going through a set of 2500s on the stock rotors, I changed rotors to racingbrake.com's compacted graphite rotor. Much improved - they behave the Ferodo pads are supposed to consistency from warm up lap to cool down lap. After several track days on the 2500s with the new rotors (which I also use on the street) confirmed that I had found a replacement rotor up to the task, I put the 3000's on and whoa! I know three other STi's that have gone with the 2500/racingbrake rotor combo and are thrilled after being disappointed on the stock rotors. Two of them have already ordered 3000's for track use after seeing my brake zones shrink substantially (all the way through until the end of each heat) over the course of 8 - 25 minute heats the first time I used them. My new problem is that I finally have the braking power to actually justify more tire grip than the re070's - threshhold braking used to be a chore to reach but not anymore.
Ed.
Ed.
| TRM | 09-16-2004 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE=RaceComp Engineering]hey man, how are you?...I saw those pics you sent me,...how did that happen?......
944 turbo guy[/QUOTE]
you mean the bent rim? or the bent v-lip?
944 turbo guy[/QUOTE]
you mean the bent rim? or the bent v-lip?
| RaceComp Engineering | 09-16-2004 12:28 PM |
ouch !! I guess both, its been a while............you gonna replace the v-limited?, you can prob heat it up and bend it back...slooooooowly..
| gregr01 | 09-16-2004 01:25 PM |
[QUOTE]racingbrake.com's compacted graphite rotor[/QUOTE]
Hey Ed,
Where did you buy these, and how much? Are they drilled/slotted, slotted or plain?
I couldn't find specific pricing info on their Web site. I've been using OEM rotors and Carbotech XP8s for my HPDEs (along with GS610 fluid and ss lines) and I'm happy with the performance, but I'll need to replace the rotors before too long.
Thanks,
gr.
Hey Ed,
Where did you buy these, and how much? Are they drilled/slotted, slotted or plain?
I couldn't find specific pricing info on their Web site. I've been using OEM rotors and Carbotech XP8s for my HPDEs (along with GS610 fluid and ss lines) and I'm happy with the performance, but I'll need to replace the rotors before too long.
Thanks,
gr.
| TRM | 09-16-2004 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE=RaceComp Engineering]ouch !! I guess both, its been a while............you gonna replace the v-limited?, you can prob heat it up and bend it back...slooooooowly..[/QUOTE]
yep, did that. it's basically good-as-new. but i also have a spare for that day when the lip and any large rodent happen to kiss. :D
i bent my right front rim at Pocono 2 weeks ago as i went off course and fell into what felt like the Grand Canyon. rim is fixed to the tune of $180!
ready to go for Pocono again beginning of October.
i'll PM you regarding those rear DS2500's.
:D
[URL=http://www.velozt.net]velozt racing[/URL]
yep, did that. it's basically good-as-new. but i also have a spare for that day when the lip and any large rodent happen to kiss. :D
i bent my right front rim at Pocono 2 weeks ago as i went off course and fell into what felt like the Grand Canyon. rim is fixed to the tune of $180!
ready to go for Pocono again beginning of October.
i'll PM you regarding those rear DS2500's.
:D
[URL=http://www.velozt.net]velozt racing[/URL]
| turboICE | 09-16-2004 02:47 PM |
Yeah that huge drop off the pavement (around 7-8") on the left hander track out before the hairpin ate a few wheels, including my right front during the very first heat on Saturday. Fortunately a BFH repaired it enough to hold air again.
| makofoto | 09-16-2004 03:50 PM |
In about six weeks ... Rota is coming out with their new light weight SlipStream ... in 17 X 8.0 and 8.5, and 16 X 8.0 and 8.5 ... much cheaper then SSR's, etc. They already have their 17 X 8 Torques ... that seemed popular at the Nationals ...
[url]http://www.subydude.com/parts/wheels.php#sneakpeak[/url]
[url]http://www.subydude.com/parts/wheels.php#sneakpeak[/url]
| ColinL | 09-16-2004 03:55 PM |
[QUOTE=XT6Wagon]I'd stick with 245's. More tire selection, easier to get in time for a sat tradday when you find at 5pm friday that one of the tires was damaged at the last track day and not usable.[/QUOTE]
I use 245/40-17s. I don't have an STi but it's pretty close especially since the '05 has the same 8" width.
the Evo's a046 is about the same as the 070 but both are too expensive IMO. my next set will probably be 245/40-17 Michelin PS2s... so I'll pass along a hot tip to my friends--
dunlop super sport race 245/40-17 are $120 each at the tirerack and I'm not sure about the number available so get 'em while you can.
I use 245/40-17s. I don't have an STi but it's pretty close especially since the '05 has the same 8" width.
the Evo's a046 is about the same as the 070 but both are too expensive IMO. my next set will probably be 245/40-17 Michelin PS2s... so I'll pass along a hot tip to my friends--
dunlop super sport race 245/40-17 are $120 each at the tirerack and I'm not sure about the number available so get 'em while you can.
| joshd | 09-17-2004 09:46 AM |
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OK, hopefully this thread has already been sufficiently hijacked that this post won't be too off topic.
I also live in the DC area and have been to Summit Point for a FATT (I was there Aug 13) in my bone stock 05 STi. The car clearly had more power, grip, and stopping power in stock form than I had any right driving at my (lack of) skill level ;) However, I had a blast, and after the fourth run my instructor actually rated me as driving at 9/10ths, so at least I was starting to use some of the car's potential.
I gained more and more confidence in the stock brakes and was repeatedly hauling down from just over 130MPH down the straight into turn 1. The pedal started feeling a little soft towards the end, but not to the point where I felt like I was going to be eating gravel.
As for the tires, they were audibly protesting all the way through the carousel and then the sweeping series of right hand turns (5-7?). They were a little greasy towards the end, but again I think their ability was still a bit beyond mine.
Now, being a foolish, power-hungry male, I've gone out and purchased the Vishnu stage 1 package which is a TBE+EM, adding around 40 whp. Don't ask me why, really the car didn't need it, but it's just so easy to add power to a turbo car I couldn't resist!
I've got two more trips to Summit Point scheduled this season, 10/1 (PCA) and 11/5 (FATT). Are any of you guys going to be out there on those dates? Myles?
Myles, if you're still reading this thread, I'm thinking hard about doing a pad/lines/fluid upgrade before the 10/1 session. Can you help me out with a good recommendation that I could purchase from you? Also, do you do installs at your shop? I really want to learn how to replace the pads and bleed the lines myself. However, I've never done it and it's not really something I want to screw up ;). If I come to your shop, purchase the components, and pay for install time, would you be willing to teach a poor soul how to fish? I know most shops hate it when customers breathe down their necks, but I'm a fast learner and easy to deal with, really, I swear ;)
I'm really looking to establish a relationship with a local shop that knows how to setup the STi for road racing use and I plan to schedule as many events as possible next year. Hopefully I can resist the power bug now and focus on the suspension. I've done so much research on the suspension components available for the 05 STi (anti-sways, end links, pinks, coilovers, strut top bars, etc. etc.), but I need someone with real experience who knows how the system interacts as a whole to know what really works on the track.
Anyway, sorry for the long post and hijack ... hope to see you guys on the track.
- Josh
I also live in the DC area and have been to Summit Point for a FATT (I was there Aug 13) in my bone stock 05 STi. The car clearly had more power, grip, and stopping power in stock form than I had any right driving at my (lack of) skill level ;) However, I had a blast, and after the fourth run my instructor actually rated me as driving at 9/10ths, so at least I was starting to use some of the car's potential.
I gained more and more confidence in the stock brakes and was repeatedly hauling down from just over 130MPH down the straight into turn 1. The pedal started feeling a little soft towards the end, but not to the point where I felt like I was going to be eating gravel.
As for the tires, they were audibly protesting all the way through the carousel and then the sweeping series of right hand turns (5-7?). They were a little greasy towards the end, but again I think their ability was still a bit beyond mine.
Now, being a foolish, power-hungry male, I've gone out and purchased the Vishnu stage 1 package which is a TBE+EM, adding around 40 whp. Don't ask me why, really the car didn't need it, but it's just so easy to add power to a turbo car I couldn't resist!
I've got two more trips to Summit Point scheduled this season, 10/1 (PCA) and 11/5 (FATT). Are any of you guys going to be out there on those dates? Myles?
Myles, if you're still reading this thread, I'm thinking hard about doing a pad/lines/fluid upgrade before the 10/1 session. Can you help me out with a good recommendation that I could purchase from you? Also, do you do installs at your shop? I really want to learn how to replace the pads and bleed the lines myself. However, I've never done it and it's not really something I want to screw up ;). If I come to your shop, purchase the components, and pay for install time, would you be willing to teach a poor soul how to fish? I know most shops hate it when customers breathe down their necks, but I'm a fast learner and easy to deal with, really, I swear ;)
I'm really looking to establish a relationship with a local shop that knows how to setup the STi for road racing use and I plan to schedule as many events as possible next year. Hopefully I can resist the power bug now and focus on the suspension. I've done so much research on the suspension components available for the 05 STi (anti-sways, end links, pinks, coilovers, strut top bars, etc. etc.), but I need someone with real experience who knows how the system interacts as a whole to know what really works on the track.
Anyway, sorry for the long post and hijack ... hope to see you guys on the track.
- Josh
| RaceComp Engineering | 09-17-2004 10:18 AM |
Josh yes, yes, yes. We can do all that and a bag a chips !! If you let me know when you're gonna be there I can come up and instruct you , sure. Our garage should be done by November, but we have other ways of getting this done before its finished. Yes, I think you should def upgrade your brake pads and lines. I can get a stock sTi to fade after lap 3 at Summit, so as you go faster you'll need better components, like fluid,lines and pads. Give us a call so we can set some things set up.
944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
[url]www.racecompengineering.com[/url]
[email][email�protected][/email]
Racecomp Engineering LLC.
9123 Old Annapolis Rd. Suite 103w
Columbia, Maryland 21045
410-730-RACE
410-730-5503 FAX
410-707-0108 mobile.
944 turbo guy
Myles Williams
[url]www.racecompengineering.com[/url]
[email][email�protected][/email]
Racecomp Engineering LLC.
9123 Old Annapolis Rd. Suite 103w
Columbia, Maryland 21045
410-730-RACE
410-730-5503 FAX
410-707-0108 mobile.
| TRM | 09-17-2004 11:55 AM |
further thread-jack :P
Josh...how do you like your Vishnu TBE and EM? impressions, recommendations appreciated?
Josh...how do you like your Vishnu TBE and EM? impressions, recommendations appreciated?
| joshd | 09-17-2004 12:17 PM |
Myles - Thanks man, I'll probably give you a call today.
TRM - I have the TBE in now and am getting the EM on Sunday. I chose the ECUTEK reflash instead of the XEDE and I'll be receiving a custom tune from Shiv at TurboTrix Sunday at 6PM (he's on one of his east-coast tours). So I can only review the exhaust so far ... more to come next week after the reflash/dyno-tune.
The exhaust is a bit louder than I had hoped, but it's an awesome deep rumbling sound that very much accentuates the boxer engine. It sounds mean as hell on throttle, like 'don't-mess-with-me mean,' almost like a V8 muscle car really. I bet there are quieter units out there, maybe the APS or Borla hush, if that is your highest priority. I don't think it's as loud as the TurboXS RFL though.
Fitament was excellent, no issues there. You have to move the O2 wiring around a bit to reach the the new bung that is further back. The first cat is eliminated, but there is a cat in the mid-pipe (in the catted version of course) with the new O2 bung just beyond that. I have had NO CELs after install. The muffler itself is hung on adjustable screws that allow you to move it left and right, so you can pretty much create a perfect fit. The tip sits low enough from the bumper that I don't expect any discoloration or melting problems :). The tip looks great and the build quality of the entire system is excellent. The stock turbo heatshield wont fit back on of course due to the huge bell mouth on the DP, so I bought a cusco heatshield (you could just as easily hack up your existing heatshield to fit if you like). They provide all new gaskets by the way including the turbo to DP gasket.
The performance with just the TBE is definitely improved. The turbo spools MUCH faster. Boost is almost immediately regained between shifts. It feels stronger throughout the range on the butt dyno. I'm also making maybe .5 more peak boost, up to about 15psi from 14.5. I have had no creep issues whatsoever, but then again, it hasn't dropped below 65 degrees here yet, and again, NO CEL since the O2 sensor goes back in post hi-flow cat.
I can't wait for the ECUTEK reflash and custom tune :disco: (my first disco monkey here) as I know that will improve things significantly. I don't have a baseline before the TBE, but I can post dyno plots of stock STi+TBE and STi+TBE+custom ECUTEK flash next week for those who care ...
- Josh
TRM - I have the TBE in now and am getting the EM on Sunday. I chose the ECUTEK reflash instead of the XEDE and I'll be receiving a custom tune from Shiv at TurboTrix Sunday at 6PM (he's on one of his east-coast tours). So I can only review the exhaust so far ... more to come next week after the reflash/dyno-tune.
The exhaust is a bit louder than I had hoped, but it's an awesome deep rumbling sound that very much accentuates the boxer engine. It sounds mean as hell on throttle, like 'don't-mess-with-me mean,' almost like a V8 muscle car really. I bet there are quieter units out there, maybe the APS or Borla hush, if that is your highest priority. I don't think it's as loud as the TurboXS RFL though.
Fitament was excellent, no issues there. You have to move the O2 wiring around a bit to reach the the new bung that is further back. The first cat is eliminated, but there is a cat in the mid-pipe (in the catted version of course) with the new O2 bung just beyond that. I have had NO CELs after install. The muffler itself is hung on adjustable screws that allow you to move it left and right, so you can pretty much create a perfect fit. The tip sits low enough from the bumper that I don't expect any discoloration or melting problems :). The tip looks great and the build quality of the entire system is excellent. The stock turbo heatshield wont fit back on of course due to the huge bell mouth on the DP, so I bought a cusco heatshield (you could just as easily hack up your existing heatshield to fit if you like). They provide all new gaskets by the way including the turbo to DP gasket.
The performance with just the TBE is definitely improved. The turbo spools MUCH faster. Boost is almost immediately regained between shifts. It feels stronger throughout the range on the butt dyno. I'm also making maybe .5 more peak boost, up to about 15psi from 14.5. I have had no creep issues whatsoever, but then again, it hasn't dropped below 65 degrees here yet, and again, NO CEL since the O2 sensor goes back in post hi-flow cat.
I can't wait for the ECUTEK reflash and custom tune :disco: (my first disco monkey here) as I know that will improve things significantly. I don't have a baseline before the TBE, but I can post dyno plots of stock STi+TBE and STi+TBE+custom ECUTEK flash next week for those who care ...
- Josh
| 993orSTi | 09-18-2004 11:05 AM |
Josh,
10/1 FATT day has been canceled. The 10/29 FATT day was canceled as well. SC not ready yet. I will be there 10/15, 11/5 and 11/19. :) I think my disappointing lack of grip on my stock RE070's was due to tire pressure on that hot August weekend. I still have a lot to learn in that respect.
Yesterday's FATT day was extremely difficult. Hurricane Ivan made lakes in turns 1, 3, 6, and 8. There was a "river" flowing between 8 & 9! They advised everyone with a turbo to be extremely careful and to monitor your boost. They were right! My boost loves to kick in majorly launching out of turns 2, 3, 8, 9 & 10. I saw a nice blue STi loose it coming out of turn 8 and go off course and hit the enbankment so hard that it flew up on to it and came to a rest on top of it balancing on it with no front or rear wheels touching the ground! :( That area of the track would claim 3 cars that day! :( It was raining so hard my first session that you could see anything even with you wipers on high and by the 3rd or 4th lap everyone pulled into the pit except for me, another cat in a white STi and a third cat in a blue WRX. We stayed out and like 10 laps later the others decided to come back out while the 3 Subies "dried the line"! :) What a sloppy day! Excellent wet track experience, but I just hate spending $195 for the day to get myself and my car soaking wet inside and out. But, what can you do but try to make the best of it(?). :) First session I was off the coals and extremely careful, but my next 3 sessions I grew a sack and got marks at 8/10ths and 9/10ths, which I didn't think was bad for running in Hurricane Ivan!
Josh, did you install your TBE yourself? Is it hard? How much time did it take? Why did you choose the ECUTECK reflash over Cobb Tuning's Access Port? A friend at work got the Access Port for his 04 STi and he absolutely loves it! Can you provide a link to get more information on your TBE? PM me off thread if you like. Thanks.
Later...
Tom
10/1 FATT day has been canceled. The 10/29 FATT day was canceled as well. SC not ready yet. I will be there 10/15, 11/5 and 11/19. :) I think my disappointing lack of grip on my stock RE070's was due to tire pressure on that hot August weekend. I still have a lot to learn in that respect.
Yesterday's FATT day was extremely difficult. Hurricane Ivan made lakes in turns 1, 3, 6, and 8. There was a "river" flowing between 8 & 9! They advised everyone with a turbo to be extremely careful and to monitor your boost. They were right! My boost loves to kick in majorly launching out of turns 2, 3, 8, 9 & 10. I saw a nice blue STi loose it coming out of turn 8 and go off course and hit the enbankment so hard that it flew up on to it and came to a rest on top of it balancing on it with no front or rear wheels touching the ground! :( That area of the track would claim 3 cars that day! :( It was raining so hard my first session that you could see anything even with you wipers on high and by the 3rd or 4th lap everyone pulled into the pit except for me, another cat in a white STi and a third cat in a blue WRX. We stayed out and like 10 laps later the others decided to come back out while the 3 Subies "dried the line"! :) What a sloppy day! Excellent wet track experience, but I just hate spending $195 for the day to get myself and my car soaking wet inside and out. But, what can you do but try to make the best of it(?). :) First session I was off the coals and extremely careful, but my next 3 sessions I grew a sack and got marks at 8/10ths and 9/10ths, which I didn't think was bad for running in Hurricane Ivan!
Josh, did you install your TBE yourself? Is it hard? How much time did it take? Why did you choose the ECUTECK reflash over Cobb Tuning's Access Port? A friend at work got the Access Port for his 04 STi and he absolutely loves it! Can you provide a link to get more information on your TBE? PM me off thread if you like. Thanks.
Later...
Tom
| turboICE | 09-18-2004 12:17 PM |
Tom, something I have learned at Summit is that as you learn the course the STi is able to stay in higher gears. This will do a couple things. The higher gear will reduce the torque multiplication of the trans settling the car when getting back on the throttle - i.e. not so sensitive to small throttle changes. If you don't shift down you don't have to shift back up. The car has plenty of torque to where if you are carrying enough speed that you are at at least 2,750 rpm at the apex you can throttle to track out. Also then you won't be bouncing off the rev limiter before you exit 2. It took me a while to convince one instructer who has a GT3 that the higher gear was appropraite but eventually he came around - then he was like WOW.
As for the "grip" - the caster on these cars is not ideal (too highe) it permits a wider range in dynamic camber which permits a lot of push. Max negative static camber that can be achieved evenly between each side will help this. With camber plates and -3.0* camber (zero toe all around and zero thrust) a friend of mine who is an instructor and has an STi thought I had switched to R compounds the improvement is so improved. I have pictures on turn in where stock settings would have the outside tire with actual postive camber on turn in - now the tire is standing straight up and down on turn in.
Other than that these cars are very much more slow in and fast out than anything most of us have ever driven. Go into the apex slower (probably improve your lines), but you can get on it much more exiting the apex.
Ed.
As for the "grip" - the caster on these cars is not ideal (too highe) it permits a wider range in dynamic camber which permits a lot of push. Max negative static camber that can be achieved evenly between each side will help this. With camber plates and -3.0* camber (zero toe all around and zero thrust) a friend of mine who is an instructor and has an STi thought I had switched to R compounds the improvement is so improved. I have pictures on turn in where stock settings would have the outside tire with actual postive camber on turn in - now the tire is standing straight up and down on turn in.
Other than that these cars are very much more slow in and fast out than anything most of us have ever driven. Go into the apex slower (probably improve your lines), but you can get on it much more exiting the apex.
Ed.
| joshd | 09-18-2004 12:30 PM |
[QUOTE=993orSTi]Josh,
10/1 FATT day has been canceled. The 10/29 FATT day was canceled as well. SC not ready yet. I will be there 10/15, 11/5 and 11/19. :)
[/QUOTE]
The 10/1 Event I'm scheduled for is a PCA DE, do you know if that's still on? I haven't heard anything lately.
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
I think my disappointing lack of grip on my stock RE070's was due to tire pressure on that hot August weekend. I still have a lot to learn in that respect.
[/QUOTE]
What have you settled on for tire pressures? I know there's a million threads on this, I just like to hear all data points possible.
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
Yesterday's FATT day was extremely difficult. Hurricane Ivan made lakes in turns 1, 3, 6, and 8. There was a "river" flowing between 8 & 9! They advised everyone with a turbo to be extremely careful and to monitor your boost. They were right! My boost loves to kick in majorly launching out of turns 2, 3, 8, 9 & 10. I saw a nice blue STi loose it coming out of turn 8 and go off course and hit the enbankment so hard that it flew up on to it and came to a rest on top of it balancing on it with no front or rear wheels touching the ground! :( That area of the track would claim 3 cars that day! :( It was raining so hard my first session that you could see anything even with you wipers on high and by the 3rd or 4th lap everyone pulled into the pit except for me, another cat in a white STi and a third cat in a blue WRX. We stayed out and like 10 laps later the others decided to come back out while the 3 Subies "dried the line"! :) What a sloppy day! Excellent wet track experience, but I just hate spending $195 for the day to get myself and my car soaking wet inside and out. But, what can you do but try to make the best of it(?). :) First session I was off the coals and extremely careful, but my next 3 sessions I grew a sack and got marks at 8/10ths and 9/10ths, which I didn't think was bad for running in Hurricane Ivan!
[/QUOTE]
Wow. They always say you learn more in the rain, and it sounds like that was definitely the case yesterday. I'm sorry to hear about all the incidents. I hope everyone is OK and their cars aren't too badly damaged. How did they pull the Subbie off of the enbankment??
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
Josh, did you install your TBE yourself? Is it hard? How much time did it take?
[/QUOTE]
I didn't do it myself. I thought hard about it, and I have all the tools, floor jack, jack stands, etc., but in the end I wasn't really confident in my ability to perform the install, especially on jack stands instead of a proper lift. I'm really not an experienced mechanic, but I'm trying to learn. A little bit of a late start at 33, but hey better late then never. In the end, I'm glad I didn't try, as they claimed that one of the bolts on the original downpipe to turbo connection was totally frozen and they had to heat it up with a welder or something to get it off. Either that, or they were just trying to gouge me for hours. They ended up charging up me 4.5 hours for the job, :furious: which was to include me coming back to have my heat shield hacked up and replaced. In the end, I just bought the cusco heat shield and installed it myself. That included pulling off the I/C, so I was proud of myself for doing that work myself (I know, cake for most, buy hey, baby steps).
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
Why did you choose the ECUTECK reflash over Cobb Tuning's Access Port? A friend at work got the Access Port for his 04 STi and he absolutely loves it! Can you provide a link to get more information on your TBE? PM me off thread if you like. Thanks.
Later...
Tom[/QUOTE]
I chose the ECUTEK over Cobb AP for the following reasons:
- DeltaDash software. Allows you to datalog everything, make some timing and fuel adjustments, road dyno, cool display linked to laptop, and more. I know the AccessTuner is coming, but this is here now and a lot of people rave about it ...
- The ability to receive a custom tune from Shiv. The timing worked out such that if I went with ECUTEK, I could get a custom tune during Shiv's east coast tour at TurboTrix (tomorrow is my day!!!) I'm sure the base maps of the AP are excellent, I've heard plenty of positive reviews of the AP, but a custom tune on my car by a reputable tuner on a dyno was very enticing.
On the TBE, just check out the [url]www.vishnutuning.com[/url] site. It's the non-divorced wastegate version (bell mouth) with high-flow cat (on the mid-pipe, not the downpipe), full 3" all the way. Their site lags way behind though and the pics there aren't that great. I'll be happy to take some of mine on my car and post them up if you like.
Cheers, I guess I'll see you on 11/5 at the point!
Myles - sorry didn't get a chance to call you yesterday, you working on the weekends? :)
- Josh
10/1 FATT day has been canceled. The 10/29 FATT day was canceled as well. SC not ready yet. I will be there 10/15, 11/5 and 11/19. :)
[/QUOTE]
The 10/1 Event I'm scheduled for is a PCA DE, do you know if that's still on? I haven't heard anything lately.
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
I think my disappointing lack of grip on my stock RE070's was due to tire pressure on that hot August weekend. I still have a lot to learn in that respect.
[/QUOTE]
What have you settled on for tire pressures? I know there's a million threads on this, I just like to hear all data points possible.
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
Yesterday's FATT day was extremely difficult. Hurricane Ivan made lakes in turns 1, 3, 6, and 8. There was a "river" flowing between 8 & 9! They advised everyone with a turbo to be extremely careful and to monitor your boost. They were right! My boost loves to kick in majorly launching out of turns 2, 3, 8, 9 & 10. I saw a nice blue STi loose it coming out of turn 8 and go off course and hit the enbankment so hard that it flew up on to it and came to a rest on top of it balancing on it with no front or rear wheels touching the ground! :( That area of the track would claim 3 cars that day! :( It was raining so hard my first session that you could see anything even with you wipers on high and by the 3rd or 4th lap everyone pulled into the pit except for me, another cat in a white STi and a third cat in a blue WRX. We stayed out and like 10 laps later the others decided to come back out while the 3 Subies "dried the line"! :) What a sloppy day! Excellent wet track experience, but I just hate spending $195 for the day to get myself and my car soaking wet inside and out. But, what can you do but try to make the best of it(?). :) First session I was off the coals and extremely careful, but my next 3 sessions I grew a sack and got marks at 8/10ths and 9/10ths, which I didn't think was bad for running in Hurricane Ivan!
[/QUOTE]
Wow. They always say you learn more in the rain, and it sounds like that was definitely the case yesterday. I'm sorry to hear about all the incidents. I hope everyone is OK and their cars aren't too badly damaged. How did they pull the Subbie off of the enbankment??
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
Josh, did you install your TBE yourself? Is it hard? How much time did it take?
[/QUOTE]
I didn't do it myself. I thought hard about it, and I have all the tools, floor jack, jack stands, etc., but in the end I wasn't really confident in my ability to perform the install, especially on jack stands instead of a proper lift. I'm really not an experienced mechanic, but I'm trying to learn. A little bit of a late start at 33, but hey better late then never. In the end, I'm glad I didn't try, as they claimed that one of the bolts on the original downpipe to turbo connection was totally frozen and they had to heat it up with a welder or something to get it off. Either that, or they were just trying to gouge me for hours. They ended up charging up me 4.5 hours for the job, :furious: which was to include me coming back to have my heat shield hacked up and replaced. In the end, I just bought the cusco heat shield and installed it myself. That included pulling off the I/C, so I was proud of myself for doing that work myself (I know, cake for most, buy hey, baby steps).
[QUOTE=993orSTi]
Why did you choose the ECUTECK reflash over Cobb Tuning's Access Port? A friend at work got the Access Port for his 04 STi and he absolutely loves it! Can you provide a link to get more information on your TBE? PM me off thread if you like. Thanks.
Later...
Tom[/QUOTE]
I chose the ECUTEK over Cobb AP for the following reasons:
- DeltaDash software. Allows you to datalog everything, make some timing and fuel adjustments, road dyno, cool display linked to laptop, and more. I know the AccessTuner is coming, but this is here now and a lot of people rave about it ...
- The ability to receive a custom tune from Shiv. The timing worked out such that if I went with ECUTEK, I could get a custom tune during Shiv's east coast tour at TurboTrix (tomorrow is my day!!!) I'm sure the base maps of the AP are excellent, I've heard plenty of positive reviews of the AP, but a custom tune on my car by a reputable tuner on a dyno was very enticing.
On the TBE, just check out the [url]www.vishnutuning.com[/url] site. It's the non-divorced wastegate version (bell mouth) with high-flow cat (on the mid-pipe, not the downpipe), full 3" all the way. Their site lags way behind though and the pics there aren't that great. I'll be happy to take some of mine on my car and post them up if you like.
Cheers, I guess I'll see you on 11/5 at the point!
Myles - sorry didn't get a chance to call you yesterday, you working on the weekends? :)
- Josh
| turboICE | 09-18-2004 12:35 PM |
TBE is pretty straight forward just make sure that you get one from someone that has a reputation for good fits. Vishnu's stuff fits well in my experience. Though I have never had any exhaust fit as well as the RSR TBE that I got - dead on and easier to install than OEM.
Shiv will be EcuTek tuning my car at 9:00 tomorrow. Xede has worked well for me to this point but looking forward to a tune on the dyno.
Shiv will be EcuTek tuning my car at 9:00 tomorrow. Xede has worked well for me to this point but looking forward to a tune on the dyno.
| joshd | 09-18-2004 12:40 PM |
[QUOTE=turboICE]Tom, something I have learned at Summit is that as you learn the course the STi is able to stay in higher gears.
[/QUOTE]
YES!! I found this out too on my first time out. I was bouncing off the rev limiter all over the place until I started experimenting with upshifting sooner and leaving it in the higher gear. Less shifts for me meant smoother driving, more ability to focus on the line, and also smoother and faster exit from the turns as you mentioned. Huge difference!
[QUOTE=turboICE]
As for the "grip" - the caster on these cars is not ideal (too highe) it permits a wider range in dynamic camber which permits a lot of push. Max negative static camber that can be achieved evenly between each side will help this. With camber plates and -3.0* camber (zero toe all around and zero thrust) a friend of mine who is an instructor and has an STi thought I had switched to R compounds the improvement is so improved. I have pictures on turn in where stock settings would have the outside tire with actual postive camber on turn in - now the tire is standing straight up and down on turn in.
Other than that these cars are very much more slow in and fast out than anything most of us have ever driven. Go into the apex slower (probably improve your lines), but you can get on it much more exiting the apex.
Ed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks man, this is exactly the kind of information I'm looking for on the STi suspension setup.
- Josh
[/QUOTE]
YES!! I found this out too on my first time out. I was bouncing off the rev limiter all over the place until I started experimenting with upshifting sooner and leaving it in the higher gear. Less shifts for me meant smoother driving, more ability to focus on the line, and also smoother and faster exit from the turns as you mentioned. Huge difference!
[QUOTE=turboICE]
As for the "grip" - the caster on these cars is not ideal (too highe) it permits a wider range in dynamic camber which permits a lot of push. Max negative static camber that can be achieved evenly between each side will help this. With camber plates and -3.0* camber (zero toe all around and zero thrust) a friend of mine who is an instructor and has an STi thought I had switched to R compounds the improvement is so improved. I have pictures on turn in where stock settings would have the outside tire with actual postive camber on turn in - now the tire is standing straight up and down on turn in.
Other than that these cars are very much more slow in and fast out than anything most of us have ever driven. Go into the apex slower (probably improve your lines), but you can get on it much more exiting the apex.
Ed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks man, this is exactly the kind of information I'm looking for on the STi suspension setup.
- Josh
| fastwrx | 10-09-2004 12:03 AM |
Got the SSR Competition wheels... came in today. They look nice and they are light. Ordered Toyo Proxes RA-1s to go on them. Will try them out at Homestead on Nov. 7th!
Thanks to all for the posts and information!
Mike
Thanks to all for the posts and information!
Mike
| 993orSTi | 10-09-2004 08:45 AM |
Hey Guys,
Sorry for the delayed reply/post -- I didn't receive an email saying that anyone has posted to this thread until this morning. ??? :(
Joshd - As I'm sure you know by now the PCA DE event was cancelled (as far as I understood but I didn't sign up for it since I has already signed up for the FATT day months in advance). SC course is still not ready and if they don't finish it before Thanksgiving, I doubt that it will be ready in time for Spring 05.
fastwrx - please post pics of your SSR Comp's and RA-1 when you have them on your STi as this was the configuration I was thinking I would go for the 05 track season. My first route I'm trying to pursue is the Enkei Tarmac-ES 17x9 wheel, but I am not having any luck finding someone who has these wheels to confirm fit nor do I know who to contact to determine price and/or to order.
Myles - I am going to be at the 10/15 FATT day. Are you going to be there? Maybe we can hook up? I'm the blue STi with PA plates, European V7 STi front seats, Sparco harness bar and Sparo 4-point harnesses. :) Let me know.
Again, sorry for the late post, but I didn't receive notification from NASIOC that anyone updated this thread. Don't know what happened there??? Any and all track related experiences & posts are welcome here as far as I go since I created the thread, but if it is better to start a dedicated thread for that type of broad discussion let me know and I can create one for us. :)
Have a good one. Later...
Tom
Sorry for the delayed reply/post -- I didn't receive an email saying that anyone has posted to this thread until this morning. ??? :(
Joshd - As I'm sure you know by now the PCA DE event was cancelled (as far as I understood but I didn't sign up for it since I has already signed up for the FATT day months in advance). SC course is still not ready and if they don't finish it before Thanksgiving, I doubt that it will be ready in time for Spring 05.
fastwrx - please post pics of your SSR Comp's and RA-1 when you have them on your STi as this was the configuration I was thinking I would go for the 05 track season. My first route I'm trying to pursue is the Enkei Tarmac-ES 17x9 wheel, but I am not having any luck finding someone who has these wheels to confirm fit nor do I know who to contact to determine price and/or to order.
Myles - I am going to be at the 10/15 FATT day. Are you going to be there? Maybe we can hook up? I'm the blue STi with PA plates, European V7 STi front seats, Sparco harness bar and Sparo 4-point harnesses. :) Let me know.
Again, sorry for the late post, but I didn't receive notification from NASIOC that anyone updated this thread. Don't know what happened there??? Any and all track related experiences & posts are welcome here as far as I go since I created the thread, but if it is better to start a dedicated thread for that type of broad discussion let me know and I can create one for us. :)
Have a good one. Later...
Tom
| joshd | 10-09-2004 09:58 AM |
Actually, the PCA DE event was held on 10/1 at the main course! I had a blast, and thanks to Myles, I brought some Pagid Blues + SS Lines + Motul fluid to the game. They performed extremely well, I didn't detect any fade at all throughout the day.
I did find out how much the STI fuel pickup sucks on my last run though. I went out with 1/4 tank and by the 5th or 6th lap, the car started cutting out on me at around 110 mph in 5th down the straight. At that point I had just under 1/8th of a tank and the fuel light wasn't even on :mad:
I filled up and everything was fine after that, but lesson learned ... don't go out with 1/4 tank or less unless you put in a better pickup and pump!
Also, my understanding is the that SC is finished, but there is a lot of controversy around it's safety. Some people are saying the course is totally unsafe due to lack of run off area, tight turns and concrete walls, etc. I heard that some clubs, BMWCCA for one, are refusing to run out it. Others said it was an excellent technical course ... I have no clue how it will pan out ...
- Josh
I did find out how much the STI fuel pickup sucks on my last run though. I went out with 1/4 tank and by the 5th or 6th lap, the car started cutting out on me at around 110 mph in 5th down the straight. At that point I had just under 1/8th of a tank and the fuel light wasn't even on :mad:
I filled up and everything was fine after that, but lesson learned ... don't go out with 1/4 tank or less unless you put in a better pickup and pump!
Also, my understanding is the that SC is finished, but there is a lot of controversy around it's safety. Some people are saying the course is totally unsafe due to lack of run off area, tight turns and concrete walls, etc. I heard that some clubs, BMWCCA for one, are refusing to run out it. Others said it was an excellent technical course ... I have no clue how it will pan out ...
- Josh
| 993orSTi | 10-09-2004 02:28 PM |
Joshd - cool! What PCA region are you in? I am in the RTR region. It is amazing how much fuel the STi inhales while out on the track. I did the math and I get around 9 MPG and end up leaving the track for the day with between a 1/4 to 1/8 of a tank -- just enough to get to that Sheetz on the other end of Charlestown. That's about 4 laps per gallon maybe 5! :)
It looks like you had awesome weather for it, I hope next Friday is nice for the 10/15 FATT day! Well I got 3 more FATT days scheduled to use up my stock tires and then its time to buy tires for the winter. Here is to happy squealing tires. :)
Have a good one. Keep the track experiences coming. Later...
Tom
It looks like you had awesome weather for it, I hope next Friday is nice for the 10/15 FATT day! Well I got 3 more FATT days scheduled to use up my stock tires and then its time to buy tires for the winter. Here is to happy squealing tires. :)
Have a good one. Keep the track experiences coming. Later...
Tom
| joshd | 10-09-2004 05:25 PM |
Fastwrx -
Nice choice. I'm a huge fan of the SSR comps. Too bad they don't make them for 05's yet :( I'm also a big fan of the stock BBS rims though ... light weight, strong and 8" wide for 05. Call me crazy, but I think the RE070s are pretty damn good too for stock tires. It's just too bad we didn't get the 235s like in the JDM.
Tom -
Both Chesapeake and Potomoc PCA regions ran last weekend at Summit Point. Potomoc doesn't allow non-Porsche's though ... Chesapeake does, and they were the ones running on Friday. Indeed it was a beautiful day, and I met a lot of great folks. One guy running a newer 911 Twin Turbo let me hang out with him around his sweet trailer. His son was there too driving an older 930 slant nose turbo that was HOT. The son also has an STi, so we had a lot to talk about ... his mom called to tell him that his Helix DP had come in while we were there :)
My car ran really well against the Porsches in the novice group. I'm pretty sure I had the most horsepower in that group as I was passing everyone ... There was a kid in a totally race built 914 with slicks, cage, built 2.4l motor, etc. who was fast though. He had me in the turns, but I could keep up and pass him down the straight. Good stuff ... afterwards he came up to me and said "I just can't get away from these STi's!!! I drag race a Mustang and they are beating me there, I autocross and they are winning there, and now I come to a PCA event and I'm getting passed down the straight by one! :lol: Very funny and good natured ...
- Josh
Nice choice. I'm a huge fan of the SSR comps. Too bad they don't make them for 05's yet :( I'm also a big fan of the stock BBS rims though ... light weight, strong and 8" wide for 05. Call me crazy, but I think the RE070s are pretty damn good too for stock tires. It's just too bad we didn't get the 235s like in the JDM.
Tom -
Both Chesapeake and Potomoc PCA regions ran last weekend at Summit Point. Potomoc doesn't allow non-Porsche's though ... Chesapeake does, and they were the ones running on Friday. Indeed it was a beautiful day, and I met a lot of great folks. One guy running a newer 911 Twin Turbo let me hang out with him around his sweet trailer. His son was there too driving an older 930 slant nose turbo that was HOT. The son also has an STi, so we had a lot to talk about ... his mom called to tell him that his Helix DP had come in while we were there :)
My car ran really well against the Porsches in the novice group. I'm pretty sure I had the most horsepower in that group as I was passing everyone ... There was a kid in a totally race built 914 with slicks, cage, built 2.4l motor, etc. who was fast though. He had me in the turns, but I could keep up and pass him down the straight. Good stuff ... afterwards he came up to me and said "I just can't get away from these STi's!!! I drag race a Mustang and they are beating me there, I autocross and they are winning there, and now I come to a PCA event and I'm getting passed down the straight by one! :lol: Very funny and good natured ...
- Josh
| drivrswntd | 10-09-2004 11:20 PM |
[QUOTE=993orSTi]fastwrx - please post pics of your SSR Comp's and RA-1 when you have them on your STi as this was the configuration I was thinking I would go for the 05 track season. My first route I'm trying to pursue is the Enkei Tarmac-ES 17x9 wheel, but I am not having any luck finding someone who has these wheels to confirm fit nor do I know who to contact to determine price and/or to order.[/QUOTE]
Hey i have enkei tarmac es. they are 17x9 front et 50 and 17x8.5 rear et48. running a toyo ra-1 255/40 all around. Contact IRS importers, [url]http://www.irs.co.jp/oversea/index.htm[/url] they can get them into the country for you no problem. hopefully that should solve your problems. if you have any more q's just im me.
Hey i have enkei tarmac es. they are 17x9 front et 50 and 17x8.5 rear et48. running a toyo ra-1 255/40 all around. Contact IRS importers, [url]http://www.irs.co.jp/oversea/index.htm[/url] they can get them into the country for you no problem. hopefully that should solve your problems. if you have any more q's just im me.
| fastwrx | 10-10-2004 11:47 AM |
Tom,
[I]"It is amazing how much fuel the STi inhales while out on the track. I did the math and I get around 9 MPG "[/I]
You must be light on the throttle! ;) I calculated my mileage on the track and came up with 5 MPG! :banana:
Mike
[I]"It is amazing how much fuel the STi inhales while out on the track. I did the math and I get around 9 MPG "[/I]
You must be light on the throttle! ;) I calculated my mileage on the track and came up with 5 MPG! :banana:
Mike
| WRX_Mundi | 10-10-2004 01:36 PM |
I get about 6mpg when I've been to the track. Spokane is pretty fast though -- one mile straight and [i]average[/i] speed is over 100mph. My STi has been pretty good about fuel cutout -- I've never had it at even 1/8th tank, and certainly not on a straight. There's a tight slow left turn at Spokane that seems to get all the STi's -- we get some starvation there long before it hits anywhere else -- I ran a full cool-down lap afterwards with no issues at all. Now that I know better I'll just bring enough fuel to keep it at least half-tank before each session.
The SSR Comps in 17x8.5 are quite nice -- very light, seem to be strong enough for track / autocross use, reasonably priced. I use them for autocross and use cheap Rota's for the track, but that's because I don't track a huge amount and I'm a cheap bastage. I'd love to have three sets of SSRs (dry AX, wet AX, and track), but maybe later. The RA-1s are fabulous on the track and they wear really well. The RE070s are my favorite street tire and I think they're nice for the track too, but the RA-1's are definitely preferred.
The SSR Comps in 17x8.5 are quite nice -- very light, seem to be strong enough for track / autocross use, reasonably priced. I use them for autocross and use cheap Rota's for the track, but that's because I don't track a huge amount and I'm a cheap bastage. I'd love to have three sets of SSRs (dry AX, wet AX, and track), but maybe later. The RA-1s are fabulous on the track and they wear really well. The RE070s are my favorite street tire and I think they're nice for the track too, but the RA-1's are definitely preferred.
| 993orSTi | 10-10-2004 05:09 PM |
[QUOTE=fastwrx]
You must be light on the throttle! ;) I calculated my mileage on the track and came up with 5 MPG!
Mike[/QUOTE]
Yea, but don't forget Ivan was passing through and Summit Point had ponds in 3 of the turns and a river flowing across the track between 8 & 9! It was raining so hard that everyone had their lights on, wipers on high and you still could barely see! :eek: It was extremely hard to find traction anywhere consistantly on the track and it was hard to keep it on the coals. As soon as the turbo kicked in the car wanted to break loose in those wet conditions.
There was a cat in a blue STi like mine pushing really hard. I was amazed at the pace he was at until he went off. Another white STi I think was running stock pads and in the third session (the driest of the day) huge sparks and flames were pouring out of his front wheels going into turn 1! If they didn't black flag him I hope he had enough presence to feel something was wrong and brought it in himself. I think he wore his pads down all the way or something, but man was that something to see!
This Friday I have another FATT day, I hope it will be nice and dry this time. I expect to be in the 5 to 6 MPG range this time! ;)
Have a good one.
Tom
You must be light on the throttle! ;) I calculated my mileage on the track and came up with 5 MPG!
Mike[/QUOTE]
Yea, but don't forget Ivan was passing through and Summit Point had ponds in 3 of the turns and a river flowing across the track between 8 & 9! It was raining so hard that everyone had their lights on, wipers on high and you still could barely see! :eek: It was extremely hard to find traction anywhere consistantly on the track and it was hard to keep it on the coals. As soon as the turbo kicked in the car wanted to break loose in those wet conditions.
There was a cat in a blue STi like mine pushing really hard. I was amazed at the pace he was at until he went off. Another white STi I think was running stock pads and in the third session (the driest of the day) huge sparks and flames were pouring out of his front wheels going into turn 1! If they didn't black flag him I hope he had enough presence to feel something was wrong and brought it in himself. I think he wore his pads down all the way or something, but man was that something to see!
This Friday I have another FATT day, I hope it will be nice and dry this time. I expect to be in the 5 to 6 MPG range this time! ;)
Have a good one.
Tom
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