| NYCshopper | 09-25-2003 09:02 PM |
Saturn ION Rally Concept
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255HP 6 Speed AWD
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| dano | 09-25-2003 09:08 PM |
quite the intercom
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i guess the driver really can't miss the co-driver instructions with those giant subs in the back.
*RIGHT FIVE OVER CREST INTO JUNCTION TURN LEFT FOUR MINUS LONG*
*thumpthumpthumpthump*
*RIGHT SIX ONE HUNDRED TWENTY CAUTION CREST LEFT SIX TIGHTENS FOUR*
*thumpthumpthumpthump*
kinda neet looking car i suppose though. =)
*RIGHT FIVE OVER CREST INTO JUNCTION TURN LEFT FOUR MINUS LONG*
*thumpthumpthumpthump*
*RIGHT SIX ONE HUNDRED TWENTY CAUTION CREST LEFT SIX TIGHTENS FOUR*
*thumpthumpthumpthump*
kinda neet looking car i suppose though. =)
| johnfelstead | 09-25-2003 09:11 PM |
That car is so badly designed in so many places i would be here all night. For a start you never mount a fire extingusisher at head height in the middle of a rollcage bar with the impact force of a front impact being enough to break the mounts so it flies through the air and hits you on your head. Stupid car.
| KC | 09-25-2003 09:46 PM |
[IMG]http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/data/663/33203-IonRallyConcept-03.jpg[/IMG]
That's not that bad of a profile... (But that's the only thing it's got going for it... just this one view)
That's not that bad of a profile... (But that's the only thing it's got going for it... just this one view)
| driggity | 09-25-2003 09:49 PM |
Front end looks pretty familiar...
[IMG]http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/subaru/imprezaconcept_1.jpg[/IMG]
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| eastbaysubaru | 09-26-2003 01:18 AM |
The front end sticks out wAAY too far. It looks like a snowplow, among other things.
-Brian
-Brian
| Raslian | 09-26-2003 01:27 AM |
Is it just me, or does the car seem to have a really really small wheelbase in comparison to the chassis of the car? O.o That thing is butt fugly.
| Kostamojen | 09-26-2003 02:16 AM |
All that being said...
Best Saturn EVER!
(Even though thats not saying much)
Best Saturn EVER!
(Even though thats not saying much)
| RK Performance | 09-26-2003 03:58 AM |
You know, I actually like it. Cheers to Saturn for not following the typical American manufactures by getting into NASCAR. I see them going very far in Rally. Especially with those FREAKING SUBS IN THE BACK SEAT!!!! Honestly! I see that and think it's got to be a joke. But then I see the dash and can't figure things out. I certainly hope they have an LCD screen that pops out of the dash to complinment those Subs! WTH were they thinking. Do they really get that bored in between stages? So bored they have to BUMP some Ludacris while rolling out of service. Damn this car is pissing me off. Must sleep.
oi
Ryan
:furious:
oi
Ryan
:furious:
| KC | 09-26-2003 07:28 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Raslian [/i]
[B]Is it just me, or does the car seem to have a really really small wheelbase in comparison to the chassis of the car? O.o That thing is butt fugly. [/B][/QUOTE]
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[IMG]http://www.rallycodriver.co.uk/uk2002/may/John_Hanlon_A2_quattro.jpg[/IMG]
Going to bring these into photoshop and overlay them to see what kind of overhang there is... I don't think the overhang is that bad.... when compared to a known to do well , proven rally car.
[B]Is it just me, or does the car seem to have a really really small wheelbase in comparison to the chassis of the car? O.o That thing is butt fugly. [/B][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.saturnfans.com/photos/data/663/33203-IonRallyConcept-03.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.rallycodriver.co.uk/uk2002/may/John_Hanlon_A2_quattro.jpg[/IMG]
Going to bring these into photoshop and overlay them to see what kind of overhang there is... I don't think the overhang is that bad.... when compared to a known to do well , proven rally car.
| dano | 09-26-2003 08:05 AM |
i don't think it's so much the overhang that'll mess up the car, it's the wheelbase, the actual distance between the center of the front and rear axles...
the overhang just looks stupid. ;)
the overhang just looks stupid. ;)
| Chromer | 09-26-2003 10:32 AM |
I think what is making it look so strange is that the front end is actually very short AND the front wheels sit back a long way on the body. The wheel wells must intrude significantly on the passenger compartment.
OTOH, that means that the strut towers will be really close to the firewall which is good for chassis rigidity. Compare the position of the A-pillar in relation to the front wheels between the Saturn and the Audi, and you'll probably see what I mean.
Oh, yah. One more thing. "Edge" styling looked like crap on the Mercury Cougar, and it looks like crap on a Saturn too. That is one fugly fascia.
OTOH, that means that the strut towers will be really close to the firewall which is good for chassis rigidity. Compare the position of the A-pillar in relation to the front wheels between the Saturn and the Audi, and you'll probably see what I mean.
Oh, yah. One more thing. "Edge" styling looked like crap on the Mercury Cougar, and it looks like crap on a Saturn too. That is one fugly fascia.
| 10th Warrior | 09-26-2003 10:44 AM |
well, for those of you who think its ugly (i.e. everyone) at least you can rest assurded knowing that if they ever tried to take it on a gravel road, all that hideous body work wouldn't last very long :lol:
| bliu | 09-26-2003 11:05 AM |
why do you need a roof scoop when you have A/C?:confused: :lol:
| MNbiker | 09-26-2003 11:07 AM |
It looks like they bought the fender flares [url=http://www.truckaddons.com/Catalog/fender_flares.htm?GTSE=goog>KW=fender+flare]HERE.[/url]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Steve
p.s. I agree with John - that fire extinguisher should make a nice hole in the winshield. (if it misses your head on the way by....:rolleyes: )
:lol: :lol: :lol:
-Steve
p.s. I agree with John - that fire extinguisher should make a nice hole in the winshield. (if it misses your head on the way by....:rolleyes: )
| ChrisW | 09-26-2003 11:20 AM |
I wonder if it has the same heavy plastic body panels?
| BOY | 09-26-2003 11:28 AM |
Personally (and don't confuse these the following comments with me showing [u]any[/u] affection for Saturn) I think that GM should get off its arse and build a competition car based on either the Cav or the Ion. Whether it be touring car or Rally, I'd like to see a NA model running with the big boys... with a little credibility, and, dare I say, race bred technology maybe they'll stop making crap. Ford brought us the Focus, and although its watered down to hell, its still has the greatest credibility of any of the big 3's compacts. GM has access to Subaru's AWD tech, and the Ecotec is a very stout powerplant that is going totally unutilized.
| MrHorspwer | 09-26-2003 11:40 AM |
Good grief... tough crowd.
For a bunch of people who whine about the FIA screwing up the WRC and making it less attractive to manufacturers, you guys sure do bash the hell out of a new manufacturer who makes a rally based project.
Granted, much of the car is set up for the general "tooner" populus... the stereo for example. I'm sure it could have been done right to spec... but then it's a race car and race car concepts are boring to most consumers.
Look at what Dodge did. They are running the SRT-4 in a very unconventional race series... SCCA Pro Rally. While it may not be *real* rallying to some motorsports forum frequents, it's what we have over here. So you have Dodge with their new sporty car for the younger generation racing in an unconventional series... and doing quite well too. What is wrong with seeing a new younger generation based car company testing the waters?
Looking past the tooner nonsense, the car has two big things that ranks it pretty high in my book... AWD and a fair amount of HP. Even having another automaker looking into AWD performance applications, espically in small affordable cars, is great.
Even though is has the two big things Evo's and WRX's have, I'm sure it will fall into the "It's still a Saturn" group the SRT-4 fell into if it ever realizes life.
Personally, I applaud Saturn for having the balls to base a project on a virtually unknown racing series and get at least the basics right. Now... go back to the drawing board and make something we can see in competition.
For a bunch of people who whine about the FIA screwing up the WRC and making it less attractive to manufacturers, you guys sure do bash the hell out of a new manufacturer who makes a rally based project.
Granted, much of the car is set up for the general "tooner" populus... the stereo for example. I'm sure it could have been done right to spec... but then it's a race car and race car concepts are boring to most consumers.
Look at what Dodge did. They are running the SRT-4 in a very unconventional race series... SCCA Pro Rally. While it may not be *real* rallying to some motorsports forum frequents, it's what we have over here. So you have Dodge with their new sporty car for the younger generation racing in an unconventional series... and doing quite well too. What is wrong with seeing a new younger generation based car company testing the waters?
Looking past the tooner nonsense, the car has two big things that ranks it pretty high in my book... AWD and a fair amount of HP. Even having another automaker looking into AWD performance applications, espically in small affordable cars, is great.
Even though is has the two big things Evo's and WRX's have, I'm sure it will fall into the "It's still a Saturn" group the SRT-4 fell into if it ever realizes life.
Personally, I applaud Saturn for having the balls to base a project on a virtually unknown racing series and get at least the basics right. Now... go back to the drawing board and make something we can see in competition.
| KC | 09-26-2003 01:02 PM |
"But it'll bounce off the trees instead of bending sheet metal, right?"
--kC
--kC
| CoiloverKid | 09-26-2003 02:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]"But it'll bounce off the trees instead of bending sheet metal, right?"
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
"Yeah, like a pinball."
[B]"But it'll bounce off the trees instead of bending sheet metal, right?"
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
"Yeah, like a pinball."
| TyrannoSullyRex | 09-26-2003 03:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by CoiloverKid [/i]
[B]
"Yeah, like a pinball." [/B][/QUOTE]
"sweet!"
[B]
"Yeah, like a pinball." [/B][/QUOTE]
"sweet!"
| iceweazel | 09-26-2003 03:30 PM |
Concept: yes. Rally: No.
I'm guessing they are still using that week-a$$ pot metal subframe in the front that the US saturn rally cars have soo much trouble with.
Ed
I'm guessing they are still using that week-a$$ pot metal subframe in the front that the US saturn rally cars have soo much trouble with.
Ed
| Thug | 09-26-2003 08:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by iceweazel [/i]
[B]Concept: yes. Rally: No.
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Exactly. There is nothing "rally" about that car.
[B]Concept: yes. Rally: No.
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Exactly. There is nothing "rally" about that car.
| cvalle-sd | 09-26-2003 08:33 PM |
OVERHANG CITY
1st of all the Quattro was the Quattro - 1st of a new breed, plus it was the eighties. We should expect more, some 15 years later.
Second....:rolleyes: please.
1st of all the Quattro was the Quattro - 1st of a new breed, plus it was the eighties. We should expect more, some 15 years later.
Second....:rolleyes: please.
| Zypper | 09-27-2003 05:00 AM |
Be forewarned this thread has been posted to FARK.com. Poor server.:(
| shadowspawn | 09-27-2003 05:39 AM |
.........
ok, well it looks ok.
[IMG]http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg[/IMG]
ok, well it looks ok.
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| Layman | 09-27-2003 11:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MrHorspwer [/i]
[B]Good grief... tough crowd.
...
Personally, I applaud Saturn for having the balls to base a project on a virtually unknown racing series and get at least the basics right. Now... go back to the drawing board and make something we can see in competition. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree.
[B]Good grief... tough crowd.
...
Personally, I applaud Saturn for having the balls to base a project on a virtually unknown racing series and get at least the basics right. Now... go back to the drawing board and make something we can see in competition. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree.
| jblaine | 09-27-2003 11:46 AM |
That's pretty funny. Where's the PS2?
| nate49509 | 09-27-2003 01:40 PM |
I heard rumors that this was Subie Gals new rally car.:lol:
| 8Complex | 09-27-2003 02:18 PM |
Well, I just asked "are they for real, or did someone put it together and show it somewhere claiming that?". I went to the page that was hosted on and got my answer... [quote][i]Saturn showed this ION Rally concept at the 2003 Woodward Dream Cruise.[/i][/quote]Which leads me to believe that they are for real, though I don't know what the Woodward Dream Cruise is.
Honestly, if they went more higher with the front bodywork and then had someone that knew how to build rally cars (and the rules that follow), they could have a good car on their hands to compete. That car was obviously built by someone that didn't know the rules, nor compensated for the abuse that the cars will really take.
A decent attempt, but it needs a lot of work.
Now my question is, since GM AWD system = Subaru AWD system... and Saturn = GM... does Saturn AWD = Subaru AWD system?
Honestly, if they went more higher with the front bodywork and then had someone that knew how to build rally cars (and the rules that follow), they could have a good car on their hands to compete. That car was obviously built by someone that didn't know the rules, nor compensated for the abuse that the cars will really take.
A decent attempt, but it needs a lot of work.
Now my question is, since GM AWD system = Subaru AWD system... and Saturn = GM... does Saturn AWD = Subaru AWD system?
| SaturnSpeed | 09-27-2003 02:37 PM |
What makes this funny, is I own a saturn, (and a WRX), and Ive personnally testdrove the new 2004 Saturn Ion QC Red-line car. it comes stock with 255 HP at the crank Supercharged and many other features a normal ION doesnt come with (eg. different compression ratios, newly added tunned suspension, all kinds of other stuff too) . This is a really good car, not only because I own a Saturn, but compared to my WRX, it doesnt come far behind. I am waiting for this concept to come true, because I plan on trading my current saturn SC in and getting a redline ION and making the changes required to do replicate this rally car.
Now, i hear you guys just talking **** about saturns because to you their just another one of those 'honda' class cars. Saturn is currently making a long way to becoming a leader in the sport compact class. If you pay attention to drag racing and the NHRA/NOPI series, you would already know that the Saturn ION PRO OUTLAW FWD car has taken the worlds fastest QM time and speed record at 8.006. Soon their going to make the first fwd to break a 7 second quarter mile time. So for how cheap of a car they are, their well worth it. btw, i personally love how it looks ;D
Well now that iam done talking about my daily driver, im ready to hear all you haters **** talk about how much saturn is coming along to becoming more then a worthey match for the subaru =P
Now, i hear you guys just talking **** about saturns because to you their just another one of those 'honda' class cars. Saturn is currently making a long way to becoming a leader in the sport compact class. If you pay attention to drag racing and the NHRA/NOPI series, you would already know that the Saturn ION PRO OUTLAW FWD car has taken the worlds fastest QM time and speed record at 8.006. Soon their going to make the first fwd to break a 7 second quarter mile time. So for how cheap of a car they are, their well worth it. btw, i personally love how it looks ;D
Well now that iam done talking about my daily driver, im ready to hear all you haters **** talk about how much saturn is coming along to becoming more then a worthey match for the subaru =P
| cvalle-sd | 09-27-2003 06:08 PM |
That was the most retarded thing you could have POSSIBLY written.
| SaturnSpeed | 09-27-2003 06:32 PM |
lol thanks!
btw
Fear the Saturn ;o
btw
Fear the Saturn ;o
| PPower | 09-27-2003 09:35 PM |
I'm going to guess that it has the same AWD system as the Saturn Vue. The idea is great, but nothing helps out the looks. It's like putting makeup on a wart hog. The Vue Redline looks much much better.
| Epyon | 09-27-2003 10:22 PM |
I will never buy a Saturn. If you look at JD Powers, they have a [i]ton[/i] of issues/problems. Poor build quality and horrible styling.
There's nothing about that car that's rally.
:furious:
Thumbs down. Leave rallying to good companies or at least better companies. (I don't care if you disagree with me).
There's nothing about that car that's rally.
:furious:
Thumbs down. Leave rallying to good companies or at least better companies. (I don't care if you disagree with me).
| gerbs | 09-28-2003 12:07 AM |
LOL!
what a joke
what a joke
| mikael_wrx | 09-28-2003 12:11 AM |
ugh
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i see nothing wrong with someone trying to break into rally.....
BUT
look at that cockpit. *** is up with the instrumantaion?
and ummmm. handbreak????? anyone????
regardless... this may be a concept... but i somehow doubt it will be up with the boys with all that extra weight from the stereo...
a couple of quick changes... and it could be good.....
look what Ford has done with the Focus.........
everyone laughed at first.... not anymore.....
Saturn needs to think about their layout a bit more.
HORRID MOINTING of the extingusher.... i wouldn't drive a car with that set up!
sorry about the grammer and mis-spells.... on a koren keyboard.
cheers!
BUT
look at that cockpit. *** is up with the instrumantaion?
and ummmm. handbreak????? anyone????
regardless... this may be a concept... but i somehow doubt it will be up with the boys with all that extra weight from the stereo...
a couple of quick changes... and it could be good.....
look what Ford has done with the Focus.........
everyone laughed at first.... not anymore.....
Saturn needs to think about their layout a bit more.
HORRID MOINTING of the extingusher.... i wouldn't drive a car with that set up!
sorry about the grammer and mis-spells.... on a koren keyboard.
cheers!
| Epyon | 09-28-2003 12:22 AM |
I dunno about any one else, but I'm still laughing at the Focus (at least the US Focus). :lol:
The WRC one is freaking awesome and the ones in Britian (where the Focus is actually from) aren't bad at all (especially the RS). But what we see here in the US is a joke. It's a grocery getter along with the Honda Civic.
The WRC one is freaking awesome and the ones in Britian (where the Focus is actually from) aren't bad at all (especially the RS). But what we see here in the US is a joke. It's a grocery getter along with the Honda Civic.
| Chin | 09-28-2003 12:42 AM |
[RUMORS] Subaru Drivetrain [\RUMORS]
:devil:
Christian
:devil:
Christian
| Thug | 09-28-2003 04:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SaturnSpeed [/i]
[B]
Now, i hear you guys just talking **** about saturns because to you their just another one of those 'honda' class cars.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I havent heard one person say that. Are you just making this stuff up?
I think most of us around here would tell you that a Honda is much better quality than a Saturn. So will most firms like JD Power, Consumer Reports, etc.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SaturnSpeed [/i]
[B]
Saturn is currently making a long way to becoming a leader in the sport compact class. If you pay attention to drag racing and the NHRA/NOPI series, you would already know that the Saturn ION PRO OUTLAW FWD car has taken the worlds fastest QM time and speed record at 8.006. Soon their going to make the first fwd to break a 7 second quarter mile time. So for how cheap of a car they are, their well worth it. btw, i personally love how it looks ;D
[/B][/QUOTE]
This has zip, zilch, zero, [b]nothing[/b] to do with the Saturn you can buy from a dealer. This would be the equivalent of saying the Peugeot 206 road car is awesome. Sure, the WRC version is probably the best in the circuit, but the road going car is only 2wd w/130ish HP. Far from impressive.
[B]
Now, i hear you guys just talking **** about saturns because to you their just another one of those 'honda' class cars.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I havent heard one person say that. Are you just making this stuff up?
I think most of us around here would tell you that a Honda is much better quality than a Saturn. So will most firms like JD Power, Consumer Reports, etc.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SaturnSpeed [/i]
[B]
Saturn is currently making a long way to becoming a leader in the sport compact class. If you pay attention to drag racing and the NHRA/NOPI series, you would already know that the Saturn ION PRO OUTLAW FWD car has taken the worlds fastest QM time and speed record at 8.006. Soon their going to make the first fwd to break a 7 second quarter mile time. So for how cheap of a car they are, their well worth it. btw, i personally love how it looks ;D
[/B][/QUOTE]
This has zip, zilch, zero, [b]nothing[/b] to do with the Saturn you can buy from a dealer. This would be the equivalent of saying the Peugeot 206 road car is awesome. Sure, the WRC version is probably the best in the circuit, but the road going car is only 2wd w/130ish HP. Far from impressive.
| steve_d | 09-28-2003 04:38 PM |
This is the perfect example (and I see it everyday) of a marketeer (like a mouseketeer) deciding that it would be exciting to show off what kinda car a teenager could build if they had the coin.
"Rally cars are cool, the kids like them, I see them on speed TV. Hey, wouldn't it be fun if we got into rally"
followed by...
"Hey engineers, build a rally car out of an ION..."
I'm putting the truck together for SEMA, and in my big box of parts there's a fuel door cover that looks like carbon and aluminum, but is printed plastic with double sided tape on the back. I'm thinking, this truck has a 5000 dollar paint job, I'm NOT sticking this thing on there.
to see the truck, it's on the opening page of [url]www.lundlook.com[/url]
I'm an engineer, I design running boards and deal with crap...but it's SOOOOOOO much FUN.
sjd
best job evar.
:D :D :D
"Rally cars are cool, the kids like them, I see them on speed TV. Hey, wouldn't it be fun if we got into rally"
followed by...
"Hey engineers, build a rally car out of an ION..."
I'm putting the truck together for SEMA, and in my big box of parts there's a fuel door cover that looks like carbon and aluminum, but is printed plastic with double sided tape on the back. I'm thinking, this truck has a 5000 dollar paint job, I'm NOT sticking this thing on there.
to see the truck, it's on the opening page of [url]www.lundlook.com[/url]
I'm an engineer, I design running boards and deal with crap...but it's SOOOOOOO much FUN.
sjd
best job evar.
:D :D :D
| cvalle-sd | 09-28-2003 05:09 PM |
steve-d, you're #315, still have your '98 RS and STILL a newbie!
[SIZE=4]OLD SCHOOL RULES![/SIZE] :disco:
[SIZE=4]OLD SCHOOL RULES![/SIZE] :disco:
| SenorFartman | 09-28-2003 07:08 PM |
I think it would get rather annoying looking right all the time to see my gauges. Did Saturn just do that to export them to lhd countries easier or are they retarded?
| Chromer | 09-28-2003 09:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SenorFartman [/i]
[B]I think it would get rather annoying looking right all the time to see my gauges. Did Saturn just do that to export them to lhd countries easier or are they retarded? [/B][/QUOTE]
IIRC, some interior designer had a 'bright idea' and was allowed to follow through on it. Doesn't another one of the "youth market" cars have a center instrument cluster too? Vibe/Matrix maybe?
And yeah, I think it's a retarded place for 'em too.
[B]I think it would get rather annoying looking right all the time to see my gauges. Did Saturn just do that to export them to lhd countries easier or are they retarded? [/B][/QUOTE]
IIRC, some interior designer had a 'bright idea' and was allowed to follow through on it. Doesn't another one of the "youth market" cars have a center instrument cluster too? Vibe/Matrix maybe?
And yeah, I think it's a retarded place for 'em too.
| steve_d | 09-28-2003 10:24 PM |
Yeah, i've seen it all...don't know why I'm a newbie...I've gotta have a couple thousand posts...
I should go post in classifieds and find out.
sjd
I should go post in classifieds and find out.
sjd
| PPower | 09-29-2003 05:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by steve_d [/i]
[B]Yeah, i've seen it all...don't know why I'm a newbie...I've gotta have a couple thousand posts...
I should go post in classifieds and find out.
sjd [/B][/QUOTE]
1636 total. 530 that count. Regional and OT don't count though. You're only 25 away from being a big boy though (not that it matters).
[B]Yeah, i've seen it all...don't know why I'm a newbie...I've gotta have a couple thousand posts...
I should go post in classifieds and find out.
sjd [/B][/QUOTE]
1636 total. 530 that count. Regional and OT don't count though. You're only 25 away from being a big boy though (not that it matters).
| steve_d | 09-29-2003 07:06 AM |
regional doesn't count???
Why??? That's the only place worth wasting my time. That's where my friends are, and I've got nothing to contribute to the other forums...mostly because I've "been there, done that"
post count doesn't mean anything. Member number says it all.
sjd
Why??? That's the only place worth wasting my time. That's where my friends are, and I've got nothing to contribute to the other forums...mostly because I've "been there, done that"
post count doesn't mean anything. Member number says it all.
sjd
| KC | 09-29-2003 08:13 AM |
Steve, been that way for well over a year now. ;) They were thinking why should someone who only posts locally (like 75% of the people here, including myself) be called a Guru/Specialist when they don't impart that much technical knowledge.
| 10th Warrior | 09-29-2003 11:54 AM |
didn't the cutoff used to be 55 or 65 or something like that?
| KITTbri | 09-29-2003 05:13 PM |
yep, know all about the post count thread wars... i just go by member # now... to see who really knows what and who is talking out there arse... not that i post much around here anymore anyway...
BTW - What up Steve? you probably don't remember, i had the Black 99RS that hit the telephone pole, then the loud ass '82 TransAm (hence KITT)...
Brian Cembor
BTW - What up Steve? you probably don't remember, i had the Black 99RS that hit the telephone pole, then the loud ass '82 TransAm (hence KITT)...
Brian Cembor
| BOY | 09-30-2003 09:09 AM |
From Saturn to Old school talk... sweet, something worthwhile :lol:
| KC | 09-30-2003 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BOY [/i]
[B]From Saturn to Old school talk... sweet, something worthwhile :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]Yeah.. it's as dead an issue as if Saturn made a rally car. :huh:
[B]From Saturn to Old school talk... sweet, something worthwhile :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]Yeah.. it's as dead an issue as if Saturn made a rally car. :huh:
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