| [email protected] | 10-17-2002 04:25 PM |
SCCA Autocrossers please respond to this wheel question
In a recent meeting with SSR wheel discussed the current SCCA rules regarding wheel dimensions for the stock classes. The WRX 16x6.5 ET55 was a prime topic for this discussion and we were wondering if anybody would be interested in a
SSR Competition 16x6.5 ET50 which would be legal to run in stock class SCCA autocrosses
what do you think ???
Luke
877-522-8473 ext. 362
SSR Competition 16x6.5 ET50 which would be legal to run in stock class SCCA autocrosses
what do you think ???
Luke
877-522-8473 ext. 362
| Orion | 10-17-2002 04:28 PM |
If they weren't so darned expensive I'd consider a set!:)
I currently don't run in stock, but I'd still like a stock size wheel available if I were to go back.
edit: let me add that it would have to be SIGNIFICANTLY lighter and strogner than stock to justify the money though.
I currently don't run in stock, but I'd still like a stock size wheel available if I were to go back.
edit: let me add that it would have to be SIGNIFICANTLY lighter and strogner than stock to justify the money though.
| trhoppe | 10-17-2002 04:31 PM |
Im not in stock class anymore either. I can tell you that you wont sell THAT many sets of them. The WRX stock wheel is actually not too heavy and they are SO damn cheap. Unless someone is going all out they will just go with the stock WRX wheels.
| zzyzx | 10-17-2002 04:58 PM |
Luke,
Now you got back to SSR and tell them STS/STX is where the real growth is.
Then, tell them we need 16x8 and 17x8 wheels in +48 and then they'll be making some money.
:)
And, no, anybody spedning this kind of money on wheels isn't going to settle for the 7.5", esp since most 245s street tires won't fit properly on 7.5"
- Steve
Now you got back to SSR and tell them STS/STX is where the real growth is.
Then, tell them we need 16x8 and 17x8 wheels in +48 and then they'll be making some money.
:)
And, no, anybody spedning this kind of money on wheels isn't going to settle for the 7.5", esp since most 245s street tires won't fit properly on 7.5"
- Steve
| McGuyver | 10-17-2002 05:20 PM |
Stock Class Wheels
Luke,
I agree with trhoppe - I run GS in my 2.5RS and I bought an extra set of WRX wheels about 6 months ago for $75 each. I think they might be even less expensive now. It's going to be hard to beat that price for the average (or below average in my case) regional or divisional-level autocrosser. I think the only people who would be willing to pay extra for lighter weight wheels are those competing at the highest levels. And, if you look at the national and pro results, there aren't a lot of people running the new Subarus in Stock classes. STS and STX are where most of the Subaru crowd is competing. I'm just a statistical outlier.
Now, if you could get Koni to drop their price on their shock inserts or talk KYB into getting their designs done and on the market before next season, then you'd be getting even more of my money. I'll need a new set of Kumhos sometime next May at my current wear rate.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop - you guys do a great job up there.
Chris McGuire
GS #82
Indianapolis Region Solo Co-Chairman
I agree with trhoppe - I run GS in my 2.5RS and I bought an extra set of WRX wheels about 6 months ago for $75 each. I think they might be even less expensive now. It's going to be hard to beat that price for the average (or below average in my case) regional or divisional-level autocrosser. I think the only people who would be willing to pay extra for lighter weight wheels are those competing at the highest levels. And, if you look at the national and pro results, there aren't a lot of people running the new Subarus in Stock classes. STS and STX are where most of the Subaru crowd is competing. I'm just a statistical outlier.
Now, if you could get Koni to drop their price on their shock inserts or talk KYB into getting their designs done and on the market before next season, then you'd be getting even more of my money. I'll need a new set of Kumhos sometime next May at my current wear rate.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop - you guys do a great job up there.
Chris McGuire
GS #82
Indianapolis Region Solo Co-Chairman
| Subdued | 10-18-2002 01:11 AM |
I still run in the stock class with no immediate plans to change unless no one is ever going to release a decent stock strut replacement (no an insert). I have a couple of sets of 02 rims, but I would definitely be interested in something lighter for a fair price.
| KC | 10-18-2002 08:19 AM |
I agree with all the above comments. While reducing unsprung weight at every corner is a good thing to do, the WRX wheels are only 16-17lbs each at $300-$350 for all 4.
How much an advantage in weight savings will you have with the SSR's vs the cost?. THe smallest (16x7) SSR Comps for the WRX now cost $1260, but what's the weight? 12lbs? To some, $$ is no object, but for $1260, a Stock class WRX can get:
WRX Wheels $300
Koni Inserts $600
2 Hoosiers $350 or 2 Kumhos $290
You can see where the bang for the buck is.
--kC
How much an advantage in weight savings will you have with the SSR's vs the cost?. THe smallest (16x7) SSR Comps for the WRX now cost $1260, but what's the weight? 12lbs? To some, $$ is no object, but for $1260, a Stock class WRX can get:
WRX Wheels $300
Koni Inserts $600
2 Hoosiers $350 or 2 Kumhos $290
You can see where the bang for the buck is.
--kC
| trhoppe | 10-18-2002 08:55 AM |
The WRX wheels weight in at 16.5lbs each.
When I weighed mine on my scale they were 15.5lbs each.
I bought 2 sets for $600 WITH RE92s. That is hard to beat.
-Tom
When I weighed mine on my scale they were 15.5lbs each.
I bought 2 sets for $600 WITH RE92s. That is hard to beat.
-Tom
| Dussander | 10-18-2002 10:25 AM |
A LOT of the DS drivers for this year are switching or have already switched to STX. There will probably be very few next year who would even think about buying the SSR wheels if they were available.
| KC | 10-18-2002 10:52 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]A LOT of the DS drivers for this year are switching or have already switched to STX. There will probably be very few next year who would even think about buying the SSR wheels if they were available. [/B][/QUOTE]Not really... there's always new people getting into the sport. So you cannot base last years attendance of a certain car in a class to this year approaching.
One never knows.
--KC
[B]A LOT of the DS drivers for this year are switching or have already switched to STX. There will probably be very few next year who would even think about buying the SSR wheels if they were available. [/B][/QUOTE]Not really... there's always new people getting into the sport. So you cannot base last years attendance of a certain car in a class to this year approaching.
One never knows.
--KC
| TyrannoSullyRex | 10-18-2002 11:12 AM |
I agree with Tom and KC, there would be an extraordinarily small market for these.
| Patrick L | 10-18-2002 12:13 PM |
The ST classes are the most popular for the Subarus. 1) Your on street tires and you don't have change out wheels and tires all the time. 2) You can do all sorts of mods in these classes. I wouldn't mind buying a set of 16x7.5 SSR Comps but man they are expensive. I trying to save up for a set.
| gary p | 10-18-2002 02:28 PM |
If you are looking to tap the Suby enthusiast crowd for some incremental sales you might consider the following ideas:
How 'bout a reasonably affordable, reasonably strong 15" alloy that will fit over stock WRX brakes for rally tires or, better yet, how 'bout a 195/60/16 Kumho R700 that can be used for Rally or Rally-x on o.e. WRX wheels?
How 'bout a reasonably affordable, reasonably strong 15" alloy that will fit over stock WRX brakes for rally tires or, better yet, how 'bout a 195/60/16 Kumho R700 that can be used for Rally or Rally-x on o.e. WRX wheels?
| KC | 10-18-2002 03:14 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gary p [/i]
[B]If you are looking to tap the Suby enthusiast crowd for some incremental sales you might consider the following ideas:
How 'bout a reasonably affordable, reasonably strong 15" alloy that will fit over stock WRX brakes for rally tires or, better yet, how 'bout a 195/60/16 Kumho R700 that can be used for Rally or Rally-x on o.e. WRX wheels? [/B][/QUOTE]Gary, he's looking for feedback specifically on the SSR Wheels.
But yes, if you cold get even 15's in the right offset to clear the STi 4-pots (or WRX Brakes) That would be a considerable purchase by me. :)
--kC
[B]If you are looking to tap the Suby enthusiast crowd for some incremental sales you might consider the following ideas:
How 'bout a reasonably affordable, reasonably strong 15" alloy that will fit over stock WRX brakes for rally tires or, better yet, how 'bout a 195/60/16 Kumho R700 that can be used for Rally or Rally-x on o.e. WRX wheels? [/B][/QUOTE]Gary, he's looking for feedback specifically on the SSR Wheels.
But yes, if you cold get even 15's in the right offset to clear the STi 4-pots (or WRX Brakes) That would be a considerable purchase by me. :)
--kC
| Big C | 10-18-2002 03:32 PM |
I plan on running DS next year and wouldn't be able to justify the cost of the wheels for the marginal advantage they might provide. I really wonder if there would be a measurable advantage with the slightly lighter wheels.....
C
C
| trhoppe | 10-18-2002 03:50 PM |
Actually if you guys came out with 15" wheels that fit over STOCK brakes, I would buy those too. 225/50/15s would rock on the car for autoxing.
-Tom
-Tom
| Subdued | 10-19-2002 01:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]Actually if you guys came out with 15" wheels that fit over STOCK brakes, I would buy those too. 225/50/15s would rock on the car for autoxing.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]I would definetely be all over that if I was going to STX. Too bad I couldn't run those in DS.:(
[B]Actually if you guys came out with 15" wheels that fit over STOCK brakes, I would buy those too. 225/50/15s would rock on the car for autoxing.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]I would definetely be all over that if I was going to STX. Too bad I couldn't run those in DS.:(
| Drover | 10-28-2002 01:27 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]But yes, if you cold get even 15's in the right offset to clear the STi 4-pots (or WRX Brakes) That would be a considerable purchase by me. :)[/B][/QUOTE]
Speedline 2118s (15x7) will fit over the STi 4-pots but not over the standard WRX 2-pots. Apparently Revolution RFX 15x7s will fit over the 2-pots.
[B]But yes, if you cold get even 15's in the right offset to clear the STi 4-pots (or WRX Brakes) That would be a considerable purchase by me. :)[/B][/QUOTE]
Speedline 2118s (15x7) will fit over the STi 4-pots but not over the standard WRX 2-pots. Apparently Revolution RFX 15x7s will fit over the 2-pots.
| FlooredSubaru | 10-28-2002 01:59 PM |
I would like to see a 16" x 7 wheel for the STX, STS, or DSP
but they would have to be light for $1200.
Erik S.
but they would have to be light for $1200.
Erik S.
| Gary (gg) | 10-28-2002 07:41 PM |
Luke, the question you pose is really to the future owners of WRX. The ones now in DS have an extra set of WRX rims and some are already comtemplating moving to STX. Really, the only lightweight option in a 6.5" x 16" wheel was the JDM BBS ones and they are roughly $2400 per set. I don't know how much they weigh. If you could order 6.5" x 16" blanks and drill the hub, machine the offset and bolt pattern then you might sell some to WRX, Celica GTS, and any other car that uses that size wheel for stock class.
| ellisnc | 10-28-2002 08:40 PM |
if STX moves to a 245 next year there will be multitudes of drivers needing 8-8.5 inch wide rims with the proper offset (+45) I kind of doubt this will happen though because just about the only cars that can run that much tire in STX are WRX sedans.
Currently the only wheel option that I know of are either Advan or Volk. Or you could probably get some Kinesis or Forgeline made but at even greater expense. If SSR doesn't come out with a 8.5 inch in a 17 size then I'll be forced to order up a set of Advans for next year.
Currently the only wheel option that I know of are either Advan or Volk. Or you could probably get some Kinesis or Forgeline made but at even greater expense. If SSR doesn't come out with a 8.5 inch in a 17 size then I'll be forced to order up a set of Advans for next year.
| ConeMasher | 10-28-2002 09:11 PM |
If you mean cars (including non-subies) in STX that can use 245s, there are quite a few...
If you meant just Subies, the 2.5RS can run 245s in the front at least. Also, considering the massive number of GDs produced (vs. the GCs), it would still be worth it even if the RS crowd isn't interested.
-- Gary
If you meant just Subies, the 2.5RS can run 245s in the front at least. Also, considering the massive number of GDs produced (vs. the GCs), it would still be worth it even if the RS crowd isn't interested.
-- Gary
| jds | 10-29-2002 10:48 AM |
Luke:
I compete in DS at the local and regional level. I don't think you'd have a very big market for the SSR comps in 16X6.5 ET50. Many of us went out and bought spare OEM rims from people upgrading for STX. IMO, the stock rims are reasonably light, strong enough, and don't break the budget.
I think most of the DS competitors would rather see more choices for DS-legal competition struts. Koni inserts are available now, but require hacking the strut assembly to install them. The KYB AGX struts for the 2.5 RS don't fit correctly in the rear, unless you use illegal camber bolts. Bilstein apparently doesn't have anything available either. Other boutique struts are available, but with major sticker shock.
My $.02
-Jds
I compete in DS at the local and regional level. I don't think you'd have a very big market for the SSR comps in 16X6.5 ET50. Many of us went out and bought spare OEM rims from people upgrading for STX. IMO, the stock rims are reasonably light, strong enough, and don't break the budget.
I think most of the DS competitors would rather see more choices for DS-legal competition struts. Koni inserts are available now, but require hacking the strut assembly to install them. The KYB AGX struts for the 2.5 RS don't fit correctly in the rear, unless you use illegal camber bolts. Bilstein apparently doesn't have anything available either. Other boutique struts are available, but with major sticker shock.
My $.02
-Jds
| Razlak | 10-29-2002 01:24 PM |
I plan on going into STX or SM next season, and thus would be more likely to go with a 16x8" or even a 15x8" if one could be fit over the brakes. I think you'll find that the DS'ers would just prefer to run the OEM wheels as they're already pretty light and easily available.
| Subdued | 10-29-2002 02:32 PM |
Give me a reasonably priced 17x8 or 17x8.5 for my street tires and I may be interested.
| ellisnc | 10-29-2002 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ConeMasher [/i]
[B]If you mean cars (including non-subies) in STX that can use 245s, there are quite a few...
If you meant just Subies, the 2.5RS can run 245s in the front at least. Also, considering the massive number of GDs produced (vs. the GCs), it would still be worth it even if the RS crowd isn't interested.
-- Gary [/B][/QUOTE]
name some that can run them in the wheel arches.
every other car of course is capable of running them it's just a matter of getting a numerically low offset and putting a bunch of rubber outside the wheel arch. All the DSM's I run against do it. If they can run 245's with tire sticking out of the sides I can run 265's with it looking the same way
[B]If you mean cars (including non-subies) in STX that can use 245s, there are quite a few...
If you meant just Subies, the 2.5RS can run 245s in the front at least. Also, considering the massive number of GDs produced (vs. the GCs), it would still be worth it even if the RS crowd isn't interested.
-- Gary [/B][/QUOTE]
name some that can run them in the wheel arches.
every other car of course is capable of running them it's just a matter of getting a numerically low offset and putting a bunch of rubber outside the wheel arch. All the DSM's I run against do it. If they can run 245's with tire sticking out of the sides I can run 265's with it looking the same way
| jackansi | 10-29-2002 11:59 PM |
I'd rather buy 2 or 3 sets of cheaper wheels than one set of expensive wheels. Hands down. If I break an SSR (IF) I'm out enough money to buy a WHOLE SET of stockers... IMHO SSR's aren't worth the money they want for them. Sure they are quality products, but there are similar if not better wheels available for 1/2 the price.
But of course there are plenty of people that are willing to pay that much just to have a name plate, so they will never change their ways. I just wonder how much further consumers will let companies get away with crap like this. Ok thats enough, thats another topic :)
But of course there are plenty of people that are willing to pay that much just to have a name plate, so they will never change their ways. I just wonder how much further consumers will let companies get away with crap like this. Ok thats enough, thats another topic :)
| ellisnc | 10-30-2002 07:17 AM |
Name another wheel that's cheaper than an SSR would be in 17x8 or 8.5 please. There isn't another wheel made besides Advan and Volk to my knowledge.
One can get Advan 8.5" wide for around $450 per... I'm willing to guess judging by the prices on TireRack that the SSR would be about $50-80 per cheaper and hopefully more readily available.
Also I don't see 16x8 or 8.5 ads all over the place either. I agree that I'd rather have some Rotas if they were made in these wide sizes just for the price and they're race wheels and if you just want 7.5" wide rims to put race tires on I think you're foolish not to buy Rotas, but the fact remains that there are only a few options for wide rims at the moment and short of having some built by Fikse or Kinesis ($$$) they're the cheapest option available. Which is why I'm lobbying for fitments in wider sizes from more sources.
One can get Advan 8.5" wide for around $450 per... I'm willing to guess judging by the prices on TireRack that the SSR would be about $50-80 per cheaper and hopefully more readily available.
Also I don't see 16x8 or 8.5 ads all over the place either. I agree that I'd rather have some Rotas if they were made in these wide sizes just for the price and they're race wheels and if you just want 7.5" wide rims to put race tires on I think you're foolish not to buy Rotas, but the fact remains that there are only a few options for wide rims at the moment and short of having some built by Fikse or Kinesis ($$$) they're the cheapest option available. Which is why I'm lobbying for fitments in wider sizes from more sources.
| jackansi | 10-30-2002 09:50 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ellisnc [/i]
[B]Name another wheel that's cheaper than an SSR would be in 17x8 or 8.5 please. There isn't another wheel made besides Advan and Volk to my knowledge.
One can get Advan 8.5" wide for around $450 per... I'm willing to guess judging by the prices on TireRack that the SSR would be about $50-80 per cheaper and hopefully more readily available.
Also I don't see 16x8 or 8.5 ads all over the place either. I agree that I'd rather have some Rotas if they were made in these wide sizes just for the price and they're race wheels and if you just want 7.5" wide rims to put race tires on I think you're foolish not to buy Rotas, but the fact remains that there are only a few options for wide rims at the moment and short of having some built by Fikse or Kinesis ($$$) they're the cheapest option available. Which is why I'm lobbying for fitments in wider sizes from more sources. [/B][/QUOTE]
It is hard to find 17x8+ rims for the WRX. But I can't find a single site that sells the SSR, Advan, and Volk together. I only looked for a few minutes so if you know where let me know too. Its harder to make a point while using 2 different websites for a price comparison. Take one look at Tire Rack, then at Discount Tire and you see what I mean, Tire Rack is cheaper on just about anything. So I could make just about anything look better price wise by using the two sites, just use the tire rack price for my pick and discount tire's price for anyone else's.
While looking through the wheels at tire rack I didn't see SSR's in 17x8 (or 8.5) while browsing. But thats probably due to the simple fact the way they have it setup to browse through the wheels is kind of limiting, too much javascript pretty things not enough content per page. ah but this isn't a website critique.
Just to put another spin on it, I would save enough money by getting cheaper but narrower rims to go to skip barber racing school.. I'm sure my track times would improve more with a 2-day racing school than with 2" more width on my tires. Also it would only compound (price too) when I got through the school AND got wider tires :) In short, you can have 8" wide (or even 8.5"), but IF (or when) I beat you on 7.5" wide you better have a darn good excuse as to why you spent so much on wheels ;)
But I'm done now. In closing, SSR would impress me more by lowering their prices. They do have some styles that I want, just not for the price I want. I think the people saying that most who upgrade their wheels don't get 16" are correct in saying it will be a very small market for wider widths in that dia. let alone stock width
[B]Name another wheel that's cheaper than an SSR would be in 17x8 or 8.5 please. There isn't another wheel made besides Advan and Volk to my knowledge.
One can get Advan 8.5" wide for around $450 per... I'm willing to guess judging by the prices on TireRack that the SSR would be about $50-80 per cheaper and hopefully more readily available.
Also I don't see 16x8 or 8.5 ads all over the place either. I agree that I'd rather have some Rotas if they were made in these wide sizes just for the price and they're race wheels and if you just want 7.5" wide rims to put race tires on I think you're foolish not to buy Rotas, but the fact remains that there are only a few options for wide rims at the moment and short of having some built by Fikse or Kinesis ($$$) they're the cheapest option available. Which is why I'm lobbying for fitments in wider sizes from more sources. [/B][/QUOTE]
It is hard to find 17x8+ rims for the WRX. But I can't find a single site that sells the SSR, Advan, and Volk together. I only looked for a few minutes so if you know where let me know too. Its harder to make a point while using 2 different websites for a price comparison. Take one look at Tire Rack, then at Discount Tire and you see what I mean, Tire Rack is cheaper on just about anything. So I could make just about anything look better price wise by using the two sites, just use the tire rack price for my pick and discount tire's price for anyone else's.
While looking through the wheels at tire rack I didn't see SSR's in 17x8 (or 8.5) while browsing. But thats probably due to the simple fact the way they have it setup to browse through the wheels is kind of limiting, too much javascript pretty things not enough content per page. ah but this isn't a website critique.
Just to put another spin on it, I would save enough money by getting cheaper but narrower rims to go to skip barber racing school.. I'm sure my track times would improve more with a 2-day racing school than with 2" more width on my tires. Also it would only compound (price too) when I got through the school AND got wider tires :) In short, you can have 8" wide (or even 8.5"), but IF (or when) I beat you on 7.5" wide you better have a darn good excuse as to why you spent so much on wheels ;)
But I'm done now. In closing, SSR would impress me more by lowering their prices. They do have some styles that I want, just not for the price I want. I think the people saying that most who upgrade their wheels don't get 16" are correct in saying it will be a very small market for wider widths in that dia. let alone stock width
| ellisnc | 10-30-2002 06:12 PM |
I agree with you that making a 16x6.5 is not a good idea. The stock rims aren't that heavy to begin with and they're very cheap. Heck it's what I ran on all this year with 225's on. Just realizing that I'm probably going to need more tire to be able to consistantly beat the guys with 245's which last autocross I did beat all of them quite handily except one... and I was on 225's.
As far as racing school goes, I have my doubts that having lots of track time will make you any better of an auto-x driver however I think the opposite is sometimes true. I have a few friends that have been on the track a lot more than me and I still cream them good at auto-x, one with an ASP RX7... things happen a lot slower on a track. (meaning frequency of decisions and the amount of time to make them)
The only thing that race schools give you is experience which you can get on your own. As long as you know the theory behind what you're doing and you have the coordination and inner ear sensitivity to be able to control the car there's nothing instructors can teach you other than the line on the track. Which you would learn by yourself given enough experience.
At the end of this season I feel I am just beginning to be able to sense when I'm not optimizing the grip in the tires. This is my first full year at auto-x and I would say on a given course I'm probably at least 4 seconds quicker now with the same equipment than I was at the beginning of the year. I feel like I could actually use more grip now and there is something to be said for learning to drive with a more diffecult car.
Anyway, my vote is for a wide 17 inch wheel. I think with the upcoming STX (possible) rules and Smod and SP rules that that would be the most popular size for these people.
As far as racing school goes, I have my doubts that having lots of track time will make you any better of an auto-x driver however I think the opposite is sometimes true. I have a few friends that have been on the track a lot more than me and I still cream them good at auto-x, one with an ASP RX7... things happen a lot slower on a track. (meaning frequency of decisions and the amount of time to make them)
The only thing that race schools give you is experience which you can get on your own. As long as you know the theory behind what you're doing and you have the coordination and inner ear sensitivity to be able to control the car there's nothing instructors can teach you other than the line on the track. Which you would learn by yourself given enough experience.
At the end of this season I feel I am just beginning to be able to sense when I'm not optimizing the grip in the tires. This is my first full year at auto-x and I would say on a given course I'm probably at least 4 seconds quicker now with the same equipment than I was at the beginning of the year. I feel like I could actually use more grip now and there is something to be said for learning to drive with a more diffecult car.
Anyway, my vote is for a wide 17 inch wheel. I think with the upcoming STX (possible) rules and Smod and SP rules that that would be the most popular size for these people.
| ConeMasher | 10-31-2002 09:22 AM |
Re: 245's:
[QUOTE]
name some that can run them in the wheel arches.
every other car of course is capable of running them it's just a matter of getting a numerically low offset and putting a bunch of rubber outside the wheel arch. All the DSM's I run against do it. If they can run 245's with tire sticking out of the sides I can run 265's with it looking the same way
[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, you're pretty funny referencing my old car. Unfortunately you're wrong re: 245s on the DSM. I know because I have a set in my garage... 245/45-16 V700 Victoracers mounted on 16x8 BBS rims. The fit perfectly, UNDER THE wheel arch, with no rubbing.
There have been folks experimenting w/ 265/45R16 and 275/40R17 on the DSMs (for ESP), and these do require raising the car up .25 inches to keep the tires off the fenders. But that point is moot for STX anyway.
-- Gary
[QUOTE]
name some that can run them in the wheel arches.
every other car of course is capable of running them it's just a matter of getting a numerically low offset and putting a bunch of rubber outside the wheel arch. All the DSM's I run against do it. If they can run 245's with tire sticking out of the sides I can run 265's with it looking the same way
[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, you're pretty funny referencing my old car. Unfortunately you're wrong re: 245s on the DSM. I know because I have a set in my garage... 245/45-16 V700 Victoracers mounted on 16x8 BBS rims. The fit perfectly, UNDER THE wheel arch, with no rubbing.
There have been folks experimenting w/ 265/45R16 and 275/40R17 on the DSMs (for ESP), and these do require raising the car up .25 inches to keep the tires off the fenders. But that point is moot for STX anyway.
-- Gary
| ellisnc | 10-31-2002 10:08 PM |
every DSM I've seen with 245's on would rub, this includes 1st and 2nd gen Talons and Eclipses and GVR4's
I've seen guys using 300zx wheels, RX7 (FD) wheels, and a host of others and every single one sticks out at least a little and would rub the fenders not seriously, but it looked close if nothing else. Maybe noone had the correct offset? :confused: it's not exactly like stuffing a 245 under a Corvette or something
Seems like for the most part all the DSM guys are into drag racing anyway at least around here.
I've seen guys using 300zx wheels, RX7 (FD) wheels, and a host of others and every single one sticks out at least a little and would rub the fenders not seriously, but it looked close if nothing else. Maybe noone had the correct offset? :confused: it's not exactly like stuffing a 245 under a Corvette or something
Seems like for the most part all the DSM guys are into drag racing anyway at least around here.
| TeeWReX | 10-31-2002 10:25 PM |
OK my memory of auto-x rules is a bit rusty, but don't 17" rims qualify for stock? It's a factory option right? I'll be back at the track next season, and want to run stock class...
| Razlak | 10-31-2002 11:57 PM |
The 17" are a dealer/port option, therefore they don't qualify for running in the stock classes.
| Subdued | 11-01-2002 12:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Razlak [/i]
[B]The 17" are a dealer/port option, therefore they don't qualify for running in the stock classes. [/B][/QUOTE]Not a Factory/Port installed option.
[B]The 17" are a dealer/port option, therefore they don't qualify for running in the stock classes. [/B][/QUOTE]Not a Factory/Port installed option.
| KC | 11-01-2002 08:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Razlak [/i]
[B]The 17" are a dealer/port option, therefore they don't qualify for running in the stock classes. [/B][/QUOTE]There is a letter that was sent to the Solo Events Board for clarification of the rules as it applies to Subarus. Case in point is that even the wing is a PIO. Does that throw you out of stock? Legally, yes. However, the letter was written (not by me) and sent to Grady who will be seeking the boards comments on clarification to the stock rules because Subaru is doing things quite differently than other dealers. The situation stems from the items being listed on the window sticker and not just purchased separately.
Another point is certain version of WRX's are coming with 17" Prodrive wheels, on the sticker, and being put on at the port. (In New England, there's even 2 different versions of the wings on certain cars)
At what point is it stock? Where's the line? Again it goes back to the Wing being a Port installed option. What's the difference if wheels, short shifter, wing, etc... are installed at the port and actually show on the window sticker instead as purchases made separately?
--kC
[B]The 17" are a dealer/port option, therefore they don't qualify for running in the stock classes. [/B][/QUOTE]There is a letter that was sent to the Solo Events Board for clarification of the rules as it applies to Subarus. Case in point is that even the wing is a PIO. Does that throw you out of stock? Legally, yes. However, the letter was written (not by me) and sent to Grady who will be seeking the boards comments on clarification to the stock rules because Subaru is doing things quite differently than other dealers. The situation stems from the items being listed on the window sticker and not just purchased separately.
Another point is certain version of WRX's are coming with 17" Prodrive wheels, on the sticker, and being put on at the port. (In New England, there's even 2 different versions of the wings on certain cars)
At what point is it stock? Where's the line? Again it goes back to the Wing being a Port installed option. What's the difference if wheels, short shifter, wing, etc... are installed at the port and actually show on the window sticker instead as purchases made separately?
--kC
| gary p | 11-01-2002 06:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]There is a letter that was sent to the Solo Events Board for clarification of the rules as it applies to Subarus. Case in point is that even the wing is a PIO. Does that throw you out of stock? Legally, yes. However, the letter was written (not by me) and sent to Grady who will be seeking the boards comments on clarification to the stock rules because Subaru is doing things quite differently than other dealers. The situation stems from the items being listed on the window sticker and not just purchased separately.
Another point is certain version of WRX's are coming with 17" Prodrive wheels, on the sticker, and being put on at the port. (In New England, there's even 2 different versions of the wings on certain cars)
At what point is it stock? Where's the line? Again it goes back to the Wing being a Port installed option. What's the difference if wheels, short shifter, wing, etc... are installed at the port and actually show on the window sticker instead as purchases made separately?
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
If it's on the Monroney label and the invoice then its "stock" in my book. I hope they can convince the SCCA to see it the same way.
[B]There is a letter that was sent to the Solo Events Board for clarification of the rules as it applies to Subarus. Case in point is that even the wing is a PIO. Does that throw you out of stock? Legally, yes. However, the letter was written (not by me) and sent to Grady who will be seeking the boards comments on clarification to the stock rules because Subaru is doing things quite differently than other dealers. The situation stems from the items being listed on the window sticker and not just purchased separately.
Another point is certain version of WRX's are coming with 17" Prodrive wheels, on the sticker, and being put on at the port. (In New England, there's even 2 different versions of the wings on certain cars)
At what point is it stock? Where's the line? Again it goes back to the Wing being a Port installed option. What's the difference if wheels, short shifter, wing, etc... are installed at the port and actually show on the window sticker instead as purchases made separately?
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
If it's on the Monroney label and the invoice then its "stock" in my book. I hope they can convince the SCCA to see it the same way.
| jackansi | 11-01-2002 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]
At what point is it stock? Where's the line? Again it goes back to the Wing being a Port installed option. What's the difference if wheels, short shifter, wing, etc... are installed at the port and actually show on the window sticker instead as purchases made separately?
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
I think they should just keep it just about like it is. 16" wheels = stock, 17" = modified..
If they start going by whats on a window sticker, I'm going to W&L Subaru to get a TurboXS Stage 4 car with all the trimmings. That way I've got 270+ WHP with all the TXS parts on the sticker ;)
[B]
At what point is it stock? Where's the line? Again it goes back to the Wing being a Port installed option. What's the difference if wheels, short shifter, wing, etc... are installed at the port and actually show on the window sticker instead as purchases made separately?
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
I think they should just keep it just about like it is. 16" wheels = stock, 17" = modified..
If they start going by whats on a window sticker, I'm going to W&L Subaru to get a TurboXS Stage 4 car with all the trimmings. That way I've got 270+ WHP with all the TXS parts on the sticker ;)
| Scoobie Doogie | 11-02-2002 12:33 AM |
I, for one, would like SSR to make the 16x6.5 rim. I am looking at ordering Volks from Japan right now and I would like to save a few bucks AND have some available just in case I break one. That is my reason for the SSR vote of YES PLEASE.
Dave
Dave
| Prestige Motorsports | 11-06-2002 10:07 AM |
I would say probably not....especially since the WRX Wheels are light and functional....and if they wanted more width...they could go for 98-01 RS wheels that are 16X7....
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-06-2002 03:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Another point is certain version of WRX's are coming with 17" Prodrive wheels, on the sticker, and being put on at the port. (In New England, there's even 2 different versions of the wings on certain cars) --kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Is there a link or something you could supply for that, it'd be interesting to see what comes of that. I think us WRXs would have been a little more "equal" to the other cars at nationals if we had 17" wheels available (since the BMW and IS300 have a choice of wheels).
[B]Another point is certain version of WRX's are coming with 17" Prodrive wheels, on the sticker, and being put on at the port. (In New England, there's even 2 different versions of the wings on certain cars) --kC [/B][/QUOTE]
Is there a link or something you could supply for that, it'd be interesting to see what comes of that. I think us WRXs would have been a little more "equal" to the other cars at nationals if we had 17" wheels available (since the BMW and IS300 have a choice of wheels).
| trhoppe | 11-06-2002 03:20 PM |
TyrannoSullyRex - The 17" wheels would have hurt us. The smaller wheels we could have in stock class, the better. Thats why I ran the 215/40/16s instead of 225/50s. You get better gearing.
-Tom
-Tom
| KC | 11-06-2002 03:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TyrannoSullyRex [/i]
[B]
Is there a link or something you could supply for that, it'd be interesting to see what comes of that. I think us WRXs would have been a little more "equal" to the other cars at nationals if we had 17" wheels available (since the BMW and IS300 have a choice of wheels). [/B][/QUOTE]Here... play around...
[url]http://www.subaruwrx.info/sne_rw.asp[/url]
[B]
Is there a link or something you could supply for that, it'd be interesting to see what comes of that. I think us WRXs would have been a little more "equal" to the other cars at nationals if we had 17" wheels available (since the BMW and IS300 have a choice of wheels). [/B][/QUOTE]Here... play around...
[url]http://www.subaruwrx.info/sne_rw.asp[/url]
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-06-2002 05:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]TyrannoSullyRex - The 17" wheels would have hurt us. The smaller wheels we could have in stock class, the better. Thats why I ran the 215/40/16s instead of 225/50s. You get better gearing.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
You're saying that you wouldn't want a 245/40-17 Hoosier (smaller by a little bit than 225/50-16) on an 11.5 lb wheel?
There's always that eternal debate of gearing versus ultimate grip.
(The above is just for the sake of argument)
[B]TyrannoSullyRex - The 17" wheels would have hurt us. The smaller wheels we could have in stock class, the better. Thats why I ran the 215/40/16s instead of 225/50s. You get better gearing.
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
You're saying that you wouldn't want a 245/40-17 Hoosier (smaller by a little bit than 225/50-16) on an 11.5 lb wheel?
There's always that eternal debate of gearing versus ultimate grip.
(The above is just for the sake of argument)
| jmott | 11-06-2002 05:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TyrannoSullyRex [/i]
[B]
You're saying that you wouldn't want a 245/40-17 Hoosier (smaller by a little bit than 225/50-16) on an 11.5 lb wheel?
There's always that eternal debate of gearing versus ultimate grip.
(The above is just for the sake of argument) [/B][/QUOTE]
mmmmm
245/40 hoosier........
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
[B]
You're saying that you wouldn't want a 245/40-17 Hoosier (smaller by a little bit than 225/50-16) on an 11.5 lb wheel?
There's always that eternal debate of gearing versus ultimate grip.
(The above is just for the sake of argument) [/B][/QUOTE]
mmmmm
245/40 hoosier........
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
| trhoppe | 11-07-2002 12:46 AM |
I didnt realize they made that size. But would that fit on a 7"rim?
-Tom
-Tom
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-07-2002 10:28 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I didnt realize they made that size. But would that fit on a 7"rim?
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it would, it couldn't be any worse than putting the 215/40s on a 6.5" rim. That was like putting a cougar into a pillowcase. You'd have more sidewall to deal with, making it easier. The miata guys do that without problems (a 225 Hoosier on a 6" rim).
[B]I didnt realize they made that size. But would that fit on a 7"rim?
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it would, it couldn't be any worse than putting the 215/40s on a 6.5" rim. That was like putting a cougar into a pillowcase. You'd have more sidewall to deal with, making it easier. The miata guys do that without problems (a 225 Hoosier on a 6" rim).
| ChrisDP | 11-07-2002 01:54 PM |
Where are you guys getting the rear clearance to put humongous Hoosiers on the back of the car with stock struts? There's not that much room with my 225 Kumhos... The 215/40/16 section width is 9.0" while the 245/40/17 is 10.5". The 225/50/16 is like 9.3" Where are you going to dig up 1.2" in those fenders without crashing into both the strut AND fender? :)
| TyrannoSullyRex | 11-07-2002 02:43 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP [/i]
[B]Where are you guys getting the rear clearance to put humongous Hoosiers on the back of the car with stock struts? There's not that much room with my 225 Kumhos... The 215/40/16 section width is 9.0" while the 245/40/17 is 10.5". The 225/50/16 is like 9.3" Where are you going to dig up 1.2" in those fenders without crashing into both the strut AND fender? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Through careful planning and extreme violence.
:D
[B]Where are you guys getting the rear clearance to put humongous Hoosiers on the back of the car with stock struts? There's not that much room with my 225 Kumhos... The 215/40/16 section width is 9.0" while the 245/40/17 is 10.5". The 225/50/16 is like 9.3" Where are you going to dig up 1.2" in those fenders without crashing into both the strut AND fender? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Through careful planning and extreme violence.
:D
| jmott | 11-07-2002 03:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisDP [/i]
[B]Where are you guys getting the rear clearance to put humongous Hoosiers on the back of the car with stock struts? There's not that much room with my 225 Kumhos... The 215/40/16 section width is 9.0" while the 245/40/17 is 10.5". The 225/50/16 is like 9.3" Where are you going to dig up 1.2" in those fenders without crashing into both the strut AND fender? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
im in SM, so if my 235s don't fit I'll use spacers
and if I then have fender problems I'll HIWABFH
(hit it with a big hammer)
;)
[B]Where are you guys getting the rear clearance to put humongous Hoosiers on the back of the car with stock struts? There's not that much room with my 225 Kumhos... The 215/40/16 section width is 9.0" while the 245/40/17 is 10.5". The 225/50/16 is like 9.3" Where are you going to dig up 1.2" in those fenders without crashing into both the strut AND fender? :) [/B][/QUOTE]
im in SM, so if my 235s don't fit I'll use spacers
and if I then have fender problems I'll HIWABFH
(hit it with a big hammer)
;)
| ellisnc | 11-07-2002 08:16 PM |
as long as your spring rates are high enough you shouldn't really have to worry too much about the outside fenders
In the Hyper Rev that I have there are lots of cars running 245's
In the Hyper Rev that I have there are lots of cars running 245's
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