| aspera | 05-06-2003 05:31 AM |
Re: Call Me Crazy, But That Was Fun!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas [/i]
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At the bottom, I walked over to my car and was so cold and muddy, that I started the car, let it idle, cranked the heater up, and then grabbed my sneakers and some dry socks, and climbed in the passenger side, and tried to get my cold, wet fingers to untie my laces... [/B][/QUOTE]
Everything after "At the bottom..." sounds waaay better than the rest of my day.
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At the bottom, I walked over to my car and was so cold and muddy, that I started the car, let it idle, cranked the heater up, and then grabbed my sneakers and some dry socks, and climbed in the passenger side, and tried to get my cold, wet fingers to untie my laces... [/B][/QUOTE]
Everything after "At the bottom..." sounds waaay better than the rest of my day.
| Red-Imp | 05-06-2003 11:21 AM |
[QUOTE]I said to the SOA guy "hey, can I swap this stuff for them?!"[/QUOTE]
I know a guy who'd have swapped his wife, his house, his cars, and most of his income for quite a few years to come for the brunette. Me, I'd probably have had to take a bullet.
...might have been worth it.
:devil:
I know a guy who'd have swapped his wife, his house, his cars, and most of his income for quite a few years to come for the brunette. Me, I'd probably have had to take a bullet.
...might have been worth it.
:devil:
| driggity | 05-06-2003 03:18 PM |
For those of you that don't go over to specialstage.com here's some information about a reporter who wants to know more about the event.
[QUOTE]I just got this from a buddy. Here's your chance to be heard, folks:
I just got off the phone with
Heather Lake
AV Press (newspaper)
661-267-4133
[email][email�protected][/email]
She had already called the CHP to get their side of the story, they said 17 cars were towed.
Anyway she really wants to hear from people who were there. PLEASE call her, and get your point across.
If you feel more comfortable please email her.
She was esp. interested in how the cars were towed, if the drivers took cash to release the cars on the spot etc.
I thinks it�s worth it to make the 5 min call. She wants to hear from people today if possible.
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[QUOTE]I just got this from a buddy. Here's your chance to be heard, folks:
I just got off the phone with
Heather Lake
AV Press (newspaper)
661-267-4133
[email][email�protected][/email]
She had already called the CHP to get their side of the story, they said 17 cars were towed.
Anyway she really wants to hear from people who were there. PLEASE call her, and get your point across.
If you feel more comfortable please email her.
She was esp. interested in how the cars were towed, if the drivers took cash to release the cars on the spot etc.
I thinks it�s worth it to make the 5 min call. She wants to hear from people today if possible.
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| Rally1 | 05-06-2003 03:30 PM |
She is still working on the story, but here is the initial one, glad i could help!
[url]http://www.avpress.com/n/tusty7.hts[/url]
Rally spectators left out in cold when vehicles get towed
This story appeared in the Antelope Valley Press Tuesday, May 6, 2003.
By HEATHER LAKE
Valley Press Staff Writer
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GREEN VALLEY - Some spectators attending the Rim of the World Rally last weekend walked nearly six miles round trip in the cold rain to view a leg of the racing event only to find their vehicles had been towed in their absence.
California Highway Patrol Sgt. Bob Hulbert said the CHP received a call Saturday reporting traffic hazards along Spunky Canyon Road; officers found about 20 unattended vehicles improperly parked. Seventeen were towed away, according to the CHP; bystanders said it was closer to 50.
Spectators apparently were supposed to park on an access road at the top of the mountain but were unable to do so because of the weather. Many said they were told by event coordinators to park where they could.
As afternoon gave way to evening, an estimated 100 adults and children reportedly were stranded in the cold rain in an area without a signal for their cellular phones. At least one man was able to get to the tow truck driver before he pulled away and got his car unhooked for $100. Others were told they could not pick up their vehicles until Monday.
Normal practice is if the vehicle's owner gets to the tow truck before it's en route, he or she can retrieve the vehicle for a fee, said the owner of Ahlgreen's Towing Service, who refused to give his name; Valley Press files list the owner as Carl Ahlgreen. He said Ahlgreen's fee is $105.
Not normal, however, is the practice of refusing to allow individuals to pay with a valid credit card, which reportedly was the case for the owner of one vehicle. Secton 22651 of the vehicle code states, "A person operating or in charge of any storage facility who refuses to accept a valid bank credit card for payment of towing � shall be liable to the registered owner of the vehicle for four times the amount of the towing and storage charges � not to exceed $500."
Scott Beherns found himself in a particular pickle because he and his three passengers left their wallets in his Ford F-250 pickup truck, which was towed by Ahlgreen's. Some $268.72 later, Beherns had his truck back but the experience left a bitter taste in his mouth.
"We were left stranded on the mountain," Beherns said, adding that one of his passengers was handicapped.
[url]http://www.avpress.com/n/tusty7.hts[/url]
Rally spectators left out in cold when vehicles get towed
This story appeared in the Antelope Valley Press Tuesday, May 6, 2003.
By HEATHER LAKE
Valley Press Staff Writer
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GREEN VALLEY - Some spectators attending the Rim of the World Rally last weekend walked nearly six miles round trip in the cold rain to view a leg of the racing event only to find their vehicles had been towed in their absence.
California Highway Patrol Sgt. Bob Hulbert said the CHP received a call Saturday reporting traffic hazards along Spunky Canyon Road; officers found about 20 unattended vehicles improperly parked. Seventeen were towed away, according to the CHP; bystanders said it was closer to 50.
Spectators apparently were supposed to park on an access road at the top of the mountain but were unable to do so because of the weather. Many said they were told by event coordinators to park where they could.
As afternoon gave way to evening, an estimated 100 adults and children reportedly were stranded in the cold rain in an area without a signal for their cellular phones. At least one man was able to get to the tow truck driver before he pulled away and got his car unhooked for $100. Others were told they could not pick up their vehicles until Monday.
Normal practice is if the vehicle's owner gets to the tow truck before it's en route, he or she can retrieve the vehicle for a fee, said the owner of Ahlgreen's Towing Service, who refused to give his name; Valley Press files list the owner as Carl Ahlgreen. He said Ahlgreen's fee is $105.
Not normal, however, is the practice of refusing to allow individuals to pay with a valid credit card, which reportedly was the case for the owner of one vehicle. Secton 22651 of the vehicle code states, "A person operating or in charge of any storage facility who refuses to accept a valid bank credit card for payment of towing � shall be liable to the registered owner of the vehicle for four times the amount of the towing and storage charges � not to exceed $500."
Scott Beherns found himself in a particular pickle because he and his three passengers left their wallets in his Ford F-250 pickup truck, which was towed by Ahlgreen's. Some $268.72 later, Beherns had his truck back but the experience left a bitter taste in his mouth.
"We were left stranded on the mountain," Beherns said, adding that one of his passengers was handicapped.
| driggity | 05-06-2003 03:34 PM |
Haha, I was just coming back here to post that the story was up. I didn't know if whoever was posting over there was here too. I guess you are :D
| Rally1 | 05-06-2003 03:40 PM |
No i can't post over there, i cant seem to get a username over there. Coati is doing it.
It's up the SCIC forum too, that's were the big threads are.
It's up the SCIC forum too, that's were the big threads are.
| tt_ttf | 05-06-2003 03:46 PM |
Me thinks a few of the tow companies were trying to "under the table" some income by insisting on cash......what's the bet the paperwork magically never appeared for those cars that paid cash
I hope that this blows up in their faces and in the faces of the CHP officers doing this. :lol: if they had to pay everyone they towed $500.......
This is as blatant an example of revenue raising as I have ever heard of not to mention the risk of leaving people exposed in that weather - lucky no one had issues with exposure/hypothermia
I hope that this blows up in their faces and in the faces of the CHP officers doing this. :lol: if they had to pay everyone they towed $500.......
This is as blatant an example of revenue raising as I have ever heard of not to mention the risk of leaving people exposed in that weather - lucky no one had issues with exposure/hypothermia
| OnTheGas | 05-06-2003 04:41 PM |
Talking w/The CHP
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Has anyone called Antelope Valley CHP at 661-948-8541?
I'm gonna call them this afternoon, if I get a few moments to complain, and learn their views.
What needs to happen in these situations is to start at the bottom, (who were the officers involved (I think there were two or three units circling up there), who were the tow truck companies, how many cars did each tow company take... Then go up through the ranks, who was the shift supervisor at that time, who does the shift supervisor report to... What mechanisms are there for handling complaints? Who else has asked about this situation? Are there any other formal complaints? etc.
Then share the info here, and w/Dave Coleman at SCC, the A/V reporter, w/Gov. Davis, etc.
I'm gonna call them this afternoon, if I get a few moments to complain, and learn their views.
What needs to happen in these situations is to start at the bottom, (who were the officers involved (I think there were two or three units circling up there), who were the tow truck companies, how many cars did each tow company take... Then go up through the ranks, who was the shift supervisor at that time, who does the shift supervisor report to... What mechanisms are there for handling complaints? Who else has asked about this situation? Are there any other formal complaints? etc.
Then share the info here, and w/Dave Coleman at SCC, the A/V reporter, w/Gov. Davis, etc.
| Rally1 | 05-06-2003 04:48 PM |
The AVPress reporter is doing her own research too, i'm sure. But she also may get tired of the story pretty soon, unless she get the tow drivers for the whole cash only thing I stumbled upon the other day.
[url]http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/rotation.html[/url]
check out the .pdf and F.A.Q. as mentioned earlier.
[url]http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/rotation.html[/url]
check out the .pdf and F.A.Q. as mentioned earlier.
| johnfelstead | 05-06-2003 04:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Glenn Wallace [/i]
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[img]http://www.shults.com/rim2003/Photos/AwardsBreakfast/images/P5040047.jpg[/img]
"Felstead thinks I'm cute?!?!?!" [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes i do. :D:lol:
I have seen hundreds of Pirelli girls, but only one miss Palmdale so she gets my vote. :D It was good fun to see the local beauty queen at the event, we dont have that kind of thing in the UK.
I didnt know you were at 2nd service Ken, you should have said hi. It was good to meet you day one.
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[img]http://www.shults.com/rim2003/Photos/AwardsBreakfast/images/P5040047.jpg[/img]
"Felstead thinks I'm cute?!?!?!" [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes i do. :D:lol:
I have seen hundreds of Pirelli girls, but only one miss Palmdale so she gets my vote. :D It was good fun to see the local beauty queen at the event, we dont have that kind of thing in the UK.
I didnt know you were at 2nd service Ken, you should have said hi. It was good to meet you day one.
| OnTheGas | 05-06-2003 05:02 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]I didnt know you were at 2nd service Ken, you should have said hi. It was good to meet you day one. [/B][/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks! It was a pleasure to meet you as well.
But I've crewed on race cars before, and I don't like to dawdle around if I can be lending a hand instead when a friend is racing. But since I was still chilled and stiff from the wind and rain at the spectator spot back up the mountain, I wasn't much use to the team. You were fairly busy de-mudding Jamie's wheels. If I was in better shape, I would have offered to grab a screwdriver or stick and helped.
So I beg your pardon... that was rude of me not to say hello.
[B]I didnt know you were at 2nd service Ken, you should have said hi. It was good to meet you day one. [/B][/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks! It was a pleasure to meet you as well.
But I've crewed on race cars before, and I don't like to dawdle around if I can be lending a hand instead when a friend is racing. But since I was still chilled and stiff from the wind and rain at the spectator spot back up the mountain, I wasn't much use to the team. You were fairly busy de-mudding Jamie's wheels. If I was in better shape, I would have offered to grab a screwdriver or stick and helped.
So I beg your pardon... that was rude of me not to say hello.
| johnfelstead | 05-06-2003 05:14 PM |
No worries Ken, you can make up for it next year by holding a Sunbrella over my head whilst i service the car. :lol:
| lushboy | 05-06-2003 08:09 PM |
Re: Spectator Stage
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TV3WRX [/i]
[B]Maybe we should all send emails to the organizers about this. In defense of them though, there may have been some sort of "legal" problem that prevented them from having it this year. I heard rumors about this, but I really don't know if that is the case. [/B][/QUOTE]
I worked at the Pelona Vista park as the "rally car parking attendent"and I asked the same question of why we are not having the SS stages at Holiday Inn like last year. The answer I got from the organizers is that some property owners around the Holiday Inn are trying to sell the properties to some big time development company and doesn't want to have some weekend rally traffic and noise to snip the deal.
Otherwise I agree that the SS stages at Holiday Inn was definitely more fun to watch than the cheezy haybill tarmac road for 5 seconds!! It was fun to direct the rally cars out to the tarmac but the Sherrif RV was blocking most of the view! ARGH!
lushboy
[B]Maybe we should all send emails to the organizers about this. In defense of them though, there may have been some sort of "legal" problem that prevented them from having it this year. I heard rumors about this, but I really don't know if that is the case. [/B][/QUOTE]
I worked at the Pelona Vista park as the "rally car parking attendent"and I asked the same question of why we are not having the SS stages at Holiday Inn like last year. The answer I got from the organizers is that some property owners around the Holiday Inn are trying to sell the properties to some big time development company and doesn't want to have some weekend rally traffic and noise to snip the deal.
Otherwise I agree that the SS stages at Holiday Inn was definitely more fun to watch than the cheezy haybill tarmac road for 5 seconds!! It was fun to direct the rally cars out to the tarmac but the Sherrif RV was blocking most of the view! ARGH!
lushboy
| TV3WRX | 05-06-2003 08:28 PM |
Spectator stage
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That's a shame. I figured it must have been some kind of snag like that. Hopefully they'll get it figured out for next year, or find another lot to have it in. It's not like Palmdale doesn't have any unused dirt lots!
| sirfrankwilliams | 05-06-2003 11:49 PM |
That was an almost unimaginable concentration of Subie-Celebs (SubieGal, David Lovell, Mike Shields, Nicky Grist, ect) but I can't believe I missed the John Felstead. Maybe next year...:)
| ANZAC_1915 | 05-06-2003 11:58 PM |
You mean Mark Lovell.
Here's me crushing Nicky Grist's hand:
"Dude, let go of my hand!"
[img]http://www.teamhightower.com/Cortina/Rim%20of%20the%20World%20'03/mvc-072x.jpg[/img]
Here's me crushing Nicky Grist's hand:
"Dude, let go of my hand!"
[img]http://www.teamhightower.com/Cortina/Rim%20of%20the%20World%20'03/mvc-072x.jpg[/img]
| aspera | 05-07-2003 08:19 PM |
Get in my belly!:)
| tt_ttf | 05-08-2003 11:39 AM |
Nicky Grist points and says with a concerned look on his face "You fit in that car?????"
:lol:
Sorry Glen - couldn't resist!
:lol:
Sorry Glen - couldn't resist!
| ttocsland | 05-13-2003 04:51 PM |
The official CHP opinion...
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Dear Mr. Wallace:
Your concerns were investigated and we found the following;
1. The U. S. Forest Service contacted the CHP and reported vehicles were blocking the roadway.
2. CHP responded and noticed several vehicles in the roadway (to the left of the fogline).
3. One of the CHP officers contacted race officials and asked them to announce that vehicles were blocking the roadway and would be towed if they were not moved. The officer told the officials they had 45 minutes to use their radios or other means to let the everyone know.
4. The officers then called for tow trucks since they could not leave the scene knowing there were cars in the roadway, due to safety and civil liability issues.
5. The officers remained at the scene and offered to call cabs for some people.
6. ONLY vehicles in the roadway were towed.
As mentioned in my earlier e-mail, once we receive information of vehicles blocking a roadway, we cannot ignore them or leave them. It has been detemined based on the above information, the officers acted appropriately and within policies and laws. If I may be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to e-mail or call (661) 948-8541).
Sincerely,
Captain Brian Smith
Your concerns were investigated and we found the following;
1. The U. S. Forest Service contacted the CHP and reported vehicles were blocking the roadway.
2. CHP responded and noticed several vehicles in the roadway (to the left of the fogline).
3. One of the CHP officers contacted race officials and asked them to announce that vehicles were blocking the roadway and would be towed if they were not moved. The officer told the officials they had 45 minutes to use their radios or other means to let the everyone know.
4. The officers then called for tow trucks since they could not leave the scene knowing there were cars in the roadway, due to safety and civil liability issues.
5. The officers remained at the scene and offered to call cabs for some people.
6. ONLY vehicles in the roadway were towed.
As mentioned in my earlier e-mail, once we receive information of vehicles blocking a roadway, we cannot ignore them or leave them. It has been detemined based on the above information, the officers acted appropriately and within policies and laws. If I may be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to e-mail or call (661) 948-8541).
Sincerely,
Captain Brian Smith
| Coati | 05-13-2003 06:19 PM |
Well, #5 is a bald-faced lie.
I was at the bottom of the mud hill the entire day, and the CHP officers were refusing to help stranded people who asked, when they were there, and then they left, leaving everyone else to fend for themselves.
I was at the bottom of the mud hill the entire day, and the CHP officers were refusing to help stranded people who asked, when they were there, and then they left, leaving everyone else to fend for themselves.
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