| super laubo | 10-24-2006 03:21 PM |
STi in Speed GT or ALMS GT?
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Hey everyone,
Can you direct me to a link about a Suby participating in the Speed or ALMS GT? I remember reading about a shop who entered the Long Beach event, but I forgot who it was and why they haven't entered in other events. :confused:
I was hoping that a Subie would be present during the ALMS event this past weekend. :(
Thanks!!!
Can you direct me to a link about a Suby participating in the Speed or ALMS GT? I remember reading about a shop who entered the Long Beach event, but I forgot who it was and why they haven't entered in other events. :confused:
I was hoping that a Subie would be present during the ALMS event this past weekend. :(
Thanks!!!
| javid | 10-24-2006 03:39 PM |
ESX entered the Long Beach race with an STi and had planned to run Laguna but that fell through. We are all hoping that they will run the car at som SWCGT event next year but I haven't heard their plans for 07.
FYI, the ALM GT is a step above SWC GT so an STi is even less likely there.
FYI, the ALM GT is a step above SWC GT so an STi is even less likely there.
| PA04STI | 10-24-2006 03:45 PM |
[url]http://www.esxmotorsports.com/roadracing.htm[/url]
They had 2 videos too which where cool.
Matt
They had 2 videos too which where cool.
Matt
| super laubo | 10-24-2006 04:05 PM |
coolio. thanks!!!
| mav1c | 10-24-2006 04:36 PM |
Yeah. Disappointed the ESX car never made it out for another race. THe rumor I heard was that they lost, or just don't have enough, funding to keep it going. I wonder what will happen to the car? Maybe a Time Attack car?
| javid | 10-24-2006 04:43 PM |
I haven't chatted with Marshall in a while but I believe they are still bringing the car to the 25 hours of Thunder Hill.
| cooleyjb | 10-24-2006 04:51 PM |
[QUOTE=javid;15732160]I haven't chatted with Marshall in a while but I believe they are still bringing the car to the 25 hours of Thunder Hill.[/QUOTE]
I do know that Marshall is involved with Larry Weber and a Miata for the 25hrs.
I do know that Marshall is involved with Larry Weber and a Miata for the 25hrs.
| elgorey | 10-24-2006 04:53 PM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;15732021]THe rumor I heard was that they lost, or just don't have enough, funding to keep it going. [/QUOTE]
"[i]With our tremendous presence at our Subaru/SPT/ESX hospitality area, we were dominating the marketing! We had our primary 70ft transport on display with music, food and drinks for all our guests. We had the "Ultiimate" Tail Gate vehicle; our B9 Tribeca that was customized with Sony Xplod Audio/Visual system showing a "Live Feed" of the race on a 27 inch TV Screen.[/i]"
I wonder why they didnt have the funding to keep going :rolleyes:
Bimmerworld started out towing to the track with an old 80s ford truck and beat up open trailer. They focused on performance, started getting top 5s (and podiums) which allowed them to build up their customer base, got some paid rides, and NOW they have the blingin race rig since they can actually afford it. Most of these teams (like Irish Mikes too) would do well for themselves to take the example.
"[i]With our tremendous presence at our Subaru/SPT/ESX hospitality area, we were dominating the marketing! We had our primary 70ft transport on display with music, food and drinks for all our guests. We had the "Ultiimate" Tail Gate vehicle; our B9 Tribeca that was customized with Sony Xplod Audio/Visual system showing a "Live Feed" of the race on a 27 inch TV Screen.[/i]"
I wonder why they didnt have the funding to keep going :rolleyes:
Bimmerworld started out towing to the track with an old 80s ford truck and beat up open trailer. They focused on performance, started getting top 5s (and podiums) which allowed them to build up their customer base, got some paid rides, and NOW they have the blingin race rig since they can actually afford it. Most of these teams (like Irish Mikes too) would do well for themselves to take the example.
| nKoan | 10-24-2006 04:56 PM |
Wasn't there also a WRX running in World Challenge TC too. Flying Irish Mike or something.
That team also quietly disappeared.
That team also quietly disappeared.
| javid | 10-24-2006 05:02 PM |
Flying Lizard teams with Irish Mike?
It was Irish Mike Racing
While I am not sure what they have been up to with teh TC car I believe that their IT car and SM car are still rockin....
I think most people don't realize how much WC is advertising rather than racing. If you want grass roots get a miata. If you have a huge advertising based race program then you can go to WC. What CEOs are going to drop thousands on advertising to hang out in a tent next a POS pickup truck? Should they bring spare tires via horse back?
It was Irish Mike Racing
While I am not sure what they have been up to with teh TC car I believe that their IT car and SM car are still rockin....
I think most people don't realize how much WC is advertising rather than racing. If you want grass roots get a miata. If you have a huge advertising based race program then you can go to WC. What CEOs are going to drop thousands on advertising to hang out in a tent next a POS pickup truck? Should they bring spare tires via horse back?
| javid | 10-24-2006 05:09 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15732319]"[i] we were dominating the marketing! [/i]"[/QUOTE]
precisely
precisely
| vlady | 10-24-2006 05:24 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15732319]"[i]With our tremendous presence at our Subaru/SPT/ESX hospitality area, we were dominating the marketing! We had our primary 70ft transport on display with music, food and drinks for all our guests. We had the "Ultiimate" Tail Gate vehicle; our B9 Tribeca that was customized with Sony Xplod Audio/Visual system showing a "Live Feed" of the race on a 27 inch TV Screen.[/i]"
I wonder why they didnt have the funding to keep going :rolleyes:
Bimmerworld started out towing to the track with an old 80s ford truck and beat up open trailer. They focused on performance, started getting top 5s (and podiums) which allowed them to build up their customer base, got some paid rides, and NOW they have the blingin race rig since they can actually afford it. Most of these teams (like Irish Mikes too) would do well for themselves to take the example.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the stransport they use for all of their drag events. Its not like they took 70% of their budget for the speedGT and used it on a fancy rig. Its sad that they didn't get to race another race, but I'm glad I saw them for the LBGP and got to meet them and help out as little as I did.
I wonder why they didnt have the funding to keep going :rolleyes:
Bimmerworld started out towing to the track with an old 80s ford truck and beat up open trailer. They focused on performance, started getting top 5s (and podiums) which allowed them to build up their customer base, got some paid rides, and NOW they have the blingin race rig since they can actually afford it. Most of these teams (like Irish Mikes too) would do well for themselves to take the example.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is the stransport they use for all of their drag events. Its not like they took 70% of their budget for the speedGT and used it on a fancy rig. Its sad that they didn't get to race another race, but I'm glad I saw them for the LBGP and got to meet them and help out as little as I did.
| GarySheehan | 10-24-2006 06:41 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15732319]"[i]With our tremendous presence at our Subaru/SPT/ESX hospitality area, we were dominating the marketing! We had our primary 70ft transport on display with music, food and drinks for all our guests. We had the "Ultiimate" Tail Gate vehicle; our B9 Tribeca that was customized with Sony Xplod Audio/Visual system showing a "Live Feed" of the race on a 27 inch TV Screen.[/i]"
I wonder why they didnt have the funding to keep going :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
ESX has been around awhile and has been quite successful in dragracing. Using the rig for the World Challenge race was free.
Thanks for jumping to conclusions, though.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
I wonder why they didnt have the funding to keep going :rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]
ESX has been around awhile and has been quite successful in dragracing. Using the rig for the World Challenge race was free.
Thanks for jumping to conclusions, though.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| elgorey | 10-24-2006 07:09 PM |
The rig was merely used as an example of comparison with another team that started with a lot less money, but has managed to not only race, but be successful by focusing on the things that are important to, uh....racing. (go figure)
If you really want to argue with me, well, the outcome speaks for itself. And if you cant take these kinds of comments constructively then you are destined to continue make the same mistakes.
Too bad you guys dont have the money to race more than once, but at least you have "dominating the marketing!" and a real pimpy Tribeca with a 27" screen and subz. tiiite dawg!
believe me, I make these comments because Im a fan of subaru roadracing and I want to see them do well, not trying to flame it. Irish Mike's had the same problem, 2 car team, pimpy rig, but not enough money to develop the cars or show up to many races. Priorities. Its simple.
At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.
If you really want to argue with me, well, the outcome speaks for itself. And if you cant take these kinds of comments constructively then you are destined to continue make the same mistakes.
Too bad you guys dont have the money to race more than once, but at least you have "dominating the marketing!" and a real pimpy Tribeca with a 27" screen and subz. tiiite dawg!
believe me, I make these comments because Im a fan of subaru roadracing and I want to see them do well, not trying to flame it. Irish Mike's had the same problem, 2 car team, pimpy rig, but not enough money to develop the cars or show up to many races. Priorities. Its simple.
At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.
| psg | 10-24-2006 08:03 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15734137]The rig was merely used as an example of comparison with another team that started with a lot less money, but has managed to not only race, but be successful by focusing on the things that are important to, uh....racing. (go figure)
If you really want to argue with me, well, the outcome speaks for itself. And if you cant take these kinds of comments constructively then you are destined to continue make the same mistakes.
Too bad you guys dont have the money to race more than once, but at least you have "dominating the marketing!" and a real pimpy Tribeca with a 27" screen and subz. tiiite dawg!
believe me, I make these comments because Im a fan of subaru roadracing and I want to see them do well, not trying to flame it. Irish Mike's had the same problem, 2 car team, pimpy rig, but not enough money to develop the cars or show up to many races. Priorities. Its simple.
At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.[/QUOTE]
So how can you take away something that's free and add that to your racing budget? If the ESX road-racing team didn't show up with the drag racing rig, hospitality center, and media blitz, they would've had the same budget as without it. It could have only benefitted them by drawing in sponsors and fans. Free doesn't buy you more development for the car or pay entry fees, either.
If you really want to argue with me, well, the outcome speaks for itself. And if you cant take these kinds of comments constructively then you are destined to continue make the same mistakes.
Too bad you guys dont have the money to race more than once, but at least you have "dominating the marketing!" and a real pimpy Tribeca with a 27" screen and subz. tiiite dawg!
believe me, I make these comments because Im a fan of subaru roadracing and I want to see them do well, not trying to flame it. Irish Mike's had the same problem, 2 car team, pimpy rig, but not enough money to develop the cars or show up to many races. Priorities. Its simple.
At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.[/QUOTE]
So how can you take away something that's free and add that to your racing budget? If the ESX road-racing team didn't show up with the drag racing rig, hospitality center, and media blitz, they would've had the same budget as without it. It could have only benefitted them by drawing in sponsors and fans. Free doesn't buy you more development for the car or pay entry fees, either.
| javid | 10-25-2006 01:18 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15734137]The rig was merely used as an example of comparison with another team that started with a lot less money, but has managed to not only race, but be successful by focusing on the things that are important to, uh....racing. (go figure)
If you really want to argue with me, well, the outcome speaks for itself. And if you cant take these kinds of comments constructively then you are destined to continue make the same mistakes.
Too bad you guys dont have the money to race more than once, but at least you have "dominating the marketing!" and a real pimpy Tribeca with a 27" screen and subz. tiiite dawg!
believe me, I make these comments because Im a fan of subaru roadracing and I want to see them do well, not trying to flame it. Irish Mike's had the same problem, 2 car team, pimpy rig, but not enough money to develop the cars or show up to many races. Priorities. Its simple.
At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.[/QUOTE]
Please share on your understanding of the budgets for both Bimmerworld and ESX. I would also like you to explain the funding that was brought by all of the sponsors and vested parties for these programs. Making the arguements that you are, I would assume you are intimately familiar with both programs and their funding.
Otherwise, I would guess you're just day dreaming about how you would run $250,000+ / year race program and jumping to conclusions with out any real understanding of the situation that both teams faced.... ???
The rest of us "fans of subaru roadracing" are interested.
If you really want to argue with me, well, the outcome speaks for itself. And if you cant take these kinds of comments constructively then you are destined to continue make the same mistakes.
Too bad you guys dont have the money to race more than once, but at least you have "dominating the marketing!" and a real pimpy Tribeca with a 27" screen and subz. tiiite dawg!
believe me, I make these comments because Im a fan of subaru roadracing and I want to see them do well, not trying to flame it. Irish Mike's had the same problem, 2 car team, pimpy rig, but not enough money to develop the cars or show up to many races. Priorities. Its simple.
At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.[/QUOTE]
Please share on your understanding of the budgets for both Bimmerworld and ESX. I would also like you to explain the funding that was brought by all of the sponsors and vested parties for these programs. Making the arguements that you are, I would assume you are intimately familiar with both programs and their funding.
Otherwise, I would guess you're just day dreaming about how you would run $250,000+ / year race program and jumping to conclusions with out any real understanding of the situation that both teams faced.... ???
The rest of us "fans of subaru roadracing" are interested.
| kfoote | 10-25-2006 01:32 PM |
Ever been involved in developing a brand new car from scratch for a race series that the vehicle manufacturer doesn't really care about? I have, and it's not a quick, easy procedure. It took the team I work for 1.5 years of car development and hiring one of the best road racing drivers on the planet before the car was good enough to be in the position to win a championship in the SPEED World Challenge Touring car series, and that was after having been involved in the series for 5 years in a different car.
Marketing is most definitley an important part of the racing budget. Make the people writing the checks happy, and the checks keep coming in.
Marketing is most definitley an important part of the racing budget. Make the people writing the checks happy, and the checks keep coming in.
| elgorey | 10-25-2006 01:53 PM |
Ok. Ill go tell James that he is a moron for not "dominating the marketing" and not building a rice.d out SUV with a 27" screen and subz. He could do that and then..uh.....run one race a year? Good plan.
After all this discussion, I think what we have here isnt an attempt at a full season of Speed GT racing, we have a local team that came out for a local race.
Thats cool and all (happens all the time), but they didnt "run out of money" they never could afford a full season to begin with and didnt plan on it. Which is ok too, just dont pretend like its a full pro effort.
When you say things like "ran out of money" and then throw in that marketing and rice.r crap, well 2+2=4.
After all this discussion, I think what we have here isnt an attempt at a full season of Speed GT racing, we have a local team that came out for a local race.
Thats cool and all (happens all the time), but they didnt "run out of money" they never could afford a full season to begin with and didnt plan on it. Which is ok too, just dont pretend like its a full pro effort.
When you say things like "ran out of money" and then throw in that marketing and rice.r crap, well 2+2=4.
| javid | 10-25-2006 02:38 PM |
Right, ESX made it clear from the get go that they only planned to do 2 races this season. Note that Penske/Porsche did the same in 05 with their P2 car, except they only planned 1 race and didn't even make that.
You have proven that you aren't familiar with the ESX program nor their budget, and you continue to ignore that their onsite marketing was already paid for. It didn't come out of thier GT budget.
Now would be a good time to stop making incorrect conclusions or assumptions.
You have proven that you aren't familiar with the ESX program nor their budget, and you continue to ignore that their onsite marketing was already paid for. It didn't come out of thier GT budget.
Now would be a good time to stop making incorrect conclusions or assumptions.
| vlady | 10-25-2006 02:44 PM |
Wow guy. Take it easy.
The SUV is part of their show car and once again as the race rig, had nothing to do with the attempt at racing in the SpeedGT. I believe that they had the b9 before they ever decided to get into SpeedGT. And from speaking to them at the LBGP, they were on an extremely tight budget and had to make do with what they had. It was never the intent to just participate in a local race and then call it quits. The car was extremely underdeveloped due to budget, build time and lack of testing. If you're such a fan of subaru road racing, you sure fooled me. They made a genuine attempt and I don't think we've seen the last of that car. I don't see why you're so quick to judge and point out things that have nothing to do with the actual team budget...
The SUV is part of their show car and once again as the race rig, had nothing to do with the attempt at racing in the SpeedGT. I believe that they had the b9 before they ever decided to get into SpeedGT. And from speaking to them at the LBGP, they were on an extremely tight budget and had to make do with what they had. It was never the intent to just participate in a local race and then call it quits. The car was extremely underdeveloped due to budget, build time and lack of testing. If you're such a fan of subaru road racing, you sure fooled me. They made a genuine attempt and I don't think we've seen the last of that car. I don't see why you're so quick to judge and point out things that have nothing to do with the actual team budget...
| JMU R1 | 10-25-2006 02:48 PM |
I don't pretend to know the goals and financial situation of ESX but I've known the Bimmerworld guys from before they tried their first World Challenge race and I've met enough people in racing from World Challenge and Grand Am to AMA Superbike to understand a little bit about how the money works.
When you're starting up a race program in a series like World Challenge for instance it is important to look professional. However, one must balance that need with actually going fast.
Typically with road racing a team has to show that they can get it done on their own dime before they can really attract significant sponsorship or drivers that will buy a ride. Sometimes with past business connections a team can come straight into a series without having a track record and get big sponsor bucks but this is fairly rare.
Bottom line is that you shouldn't be spending a significant amount of your budget on hospitality and entertainment before you make your car(s) fast. Anybody can go out and buy a big ass trailer, speakers, flat screen tvs, and hire some brolly girls, but not many can build a competitive car and race at the front of a series like World Challenge.
Sponsors are looking for ROI and while a good hospitality area is part of it, they wouldn't be putting their money into racing if the most important part was the paddock display. It's about what happens on track. And if your paddock display is taking up enough money that it prevents you from developing the car or doing more races then you've got your money in the wrong place.
The cold, hard reality of things is that very few teams in the World Challenge paddock have even half of their costs covered by sponsorship anyway. So 9 times out of 10 you've gotta get to reasonable competitiveness on your own dime. Shops/tuners like ESX, Bimmerworld, Turner, etc. have a bit of an advantage here because they can write off some of the expense as advertising.
I think a team that can successfully field a STi could have a lot of sponsorship opportunities open to them and ESX looks like they have the fabrication expertise they'd need to build a competitive car. Hopefully they'll get enough money together to do so in the future.
When you're starting up a race program in a series like World Challenge for instance it is important to look professional. However, one must balance that need with actually going fast.
Typically with road racing a team has to show that they can get it done on their own dime before they can really attract significant sponsorship or drivers that will buy a ride. Sometimes with past business connections a team can come straight into a series without having a track record and get big sponsor bucks but this is fairly rare.
Bottom line is that you shouldn't be spending a significant amount of your budget on hospitality and entertainment before you make your car(s) fast. Anybody can go out and buy a big ass trailer, speakers, flat screen tvs, and hire some brolly girls, but not many can build a competitive car and race at the front of a series like World Challenge.
Sponsors are looking for ROI and while a good hospitality area is part of it, they wouldn't be putting their money into racing if the most important part was the paddock display. It's about what happens on track. And if your paddock display is taking up enough money that it prevents you from developing the car or doing more races then you've got your money in the wrong place.
The cold, hard reality of things is that very few teams in the World Challenge paddock have even half of their costs covered by sponsorship anyway. So 9 times out of 10 you've gotta get to reasonable competitiveness on your own dime. Shops/tuners like ESX, Bimmerworld, Turner, etc. have a bit of an advantage here because they can write off some of the expense as advertising.
I think a team that can successfully field a STi could have a lot of sponsorship opportunities open to them and ESX looks like they have the fabrication expertise they'd need to build a competitive car. Hopefully they'll get enough money together to do so in the future.
| DILLIGAF Racing | 10-25-2006 02:49 PM |
[QUOTE=kfoote;15743977]Ever been involved in developing a brand new car from scratch for a race series that the vehicle manufacturer doesn't really care about? I have, and it's not a quick, easy procedure. It took the team I work for 1.5 years of car development and hiring one of the best road racing drivers on the planet before the car was good enough to be in the position to win a championship in the SPEED World Challenge Touring car series, and that was after having been involved in the series for 5 years in a different car.
Marketing is most definitley an important part of the racing budget. Make the people writing the checks happy, and the checks keep coming in.[/QUOTE]
which team?
Marketing is most definitley an important part of the racing budget. Make the people writing the checks happy, and the checks keep coming in.[/QUOTE]
which team?
| GarySheehan | 10-25-2006 03:08 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey]Ok. Ill go tell James that he is a moron for not "dominating the marketing" and not building a rice.d out SUV with a 27" screen and subz. He could do that and then..uh.....run one race a year? Good plan.[/quote]
elgory,
I don't know if you have a bug up your ass or what. This seems to be coming out of left field for you. And frankly, your uninformed comments are really starting to piss me off.
[QUOTE=elgorey]After all this discussion, I think what we have here isnt an attempt at a full season of Speed GT racing, we have a local team that came out for a local race. [/quote]
First of all, you have absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the ESX team, the immediate and long term goals that were put in place, the strategy for achieving those goals or how it came about that those goals were not achieved.
The ESX team was planning on running three (perhaps four) World Challenge GT races in 2006. Long Beach, Infineon, Laguna Seca and maybe Miller. That was the intention and that was what we told everyone. Trust me when I tell you no one was lying to the public when this information was announced. Putting that much effort into a car in so little time was definitely NOT intended for a single event. No one involved was interested in that.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Thats cool and all (happens all the time), but they didnt "run out of money" they never could afford a full season to begin with and didnt plan on it.[/QUOTE]
The team never intended to run a full season in 2006 and never said that was the goal.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Which is ok too, just dont pretend like its a full pro effort.
When you say things like "ran out of money" and then throw in that marketing and rice.r crap, well 2+2=4.[/QUOTE]
I will try explaining this to you again. The ESX team has been in pro drag racing for several years. They already had a rig, the Tribeca with the 27" TV, several other show cars and all the trappings that go along with a large professional racing program and the corporate hospitality environment that goes along with it. This stuff existed prior to the launch of the road racing effort. Do you get it? [B]ZERO[/B] dollars came out of the road racing budget to put in place any of the stuff that you are bitching about. This very large scale presence at the race cost team next to nothing to entertain our sponsors trackside that put up quite a bit of funding to make it possible for the team to be there. The little amount that was spent on catering for the sponsors at the event would not have even scratched the surface of the cost to get the car prepared for its second race. You're entire argument is baseless.
The events that led to the team being unable to compete in the remaining three races would outrage and sicken the readers of this forum. That is pretty much all that I will reveal at this time.
[QUOTE=elgorey]At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.[/quote]
Not to take anything away from the GOTO guys, but they are limited by the rules to running what is essentially a stock Legacy GT with safety modifications and a DMS suspension. The budgets required are incomparable.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
elgory,
I don't know if you have a bug up your ass or what. This seems to be coming out of left field for you. And frankly, your uninformed comments are really starting to piss me off.
[QUOTE=elgorey]After all this discussion, I think what we have here isnt an attempt at a full season of Speed GT racing, we have a local team that came out for a local race. [/quote]
First of all, you have absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the ESX team, the immediate and long term goals that were put in place, the strategy for achieving those goals or how it came about that those goals were not achieved.
The ESX team was planning on running three (perhaps four) World Challenge GT races in 2006. Long Beach, Infineon, Laguna Seca and maybe Miller. That was the intention and that was what we told everyone. Trust me when I tell you no one was lying to the public when this information was announced. Putting that much effort into a car in so little time was definitely NOT intended for a single event. No one involved was interested in that.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Thats cool and all (happens all the time), but they didnt "run out of money" they never could afford a full season to begin with and didnt plan on it.[/QUOTE]
The team never intended to run a full season in 2006 and never said that was the goal.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Which is ok too, just dont pretend like its a full pro effort.
When you say things like "ran out of money" and then throw in that marketing and rice.r crap, well 2+2=4.[/QUOTE]
I will try explaining this to you again. The ESX team has been in pro drag racing for several years. They already had a rig, the Tribeca with the 27" TV, several other show cars and all the trappings that go along with a large professional racing program and the corporate hospitality environment that goes along with it. This stuff existed prior to the launch of the road racing effort. Do you get it? [B]ZERO[/B] dollars came out of the road racing budget to put in place any of the stuff that you are bitching about. This very large scale presence at the race cost team next to nothing to entertain our sponsors trackside that put up quite a bit of funding to make it possible for the team to be there. The little amount that was spent on catering for the sponsors at the event would not have even scratched the surface of the cost to get the car prepared for its second race. You're entire argument is baseless.
The events that led to the team being unable to compete in the remaining three races would outrage and sicken the readers of this forum. That is pretty much all that I will reveal at this time.
[QUOTE=elgorey]At least the goto guys seem to have it figured out a bit better.[/quote]
Not to take anything away from the GOTO guys, but they are limited by the rules to running what is essentially a stock Legacy GT with safety modifications and a DMS suspension. The budgets required are incomparable.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| spazegun2213 | 10-25-2006 04:27 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan;15745320]
The events that led to the team to compete in the remaining three races would outrage and sicken the readers of this forum. That is pretty much all that I will reveal at this time.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
This may be a little off topic but i want to know.
Gary,
While I think this will be exposed to the public in due time, there are a lot of people that wonder why only one race was run. I dont want you to air dirty laundry, as you are an integral part of the team (and as i said, i hope it will be exposed in due time), however, a LITTLE insight into what caused this would be nice.
I mean, we are your fans, we cant wait to see that "06" sti passing porsches and vettes alike! I cant wait to see you at all out there. But what happened? where does the car sit now? where does the team sit now? while I'm not going to comment on previous posts, it did seem like the ESX Road racing effort derailed as soon as it was getting good.
Either way, I hope to see the car in 07, be it for a singe event, or the entire season... I just want to see a subaru racing at that level.
-Ross
The events that led to the team to compete in the remaining three races would outrage and sicken the readers of this forum. That is pretty much all that I will reveal at this time.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
This may be a little off topic but i want to know.
Gary,
While I think this will be exposed to the public in due time, there are a lot of people that wonder why only one race was run. I dont want you to air dirty laundry, as you are an integral part of the team (and as i said, i hope it will be exposed in due time), however, a LITTLE insight into what caused this would be nice.
I mean, we are your fans, we cant wait to see that "06" sti passing porsches and vettes alike! I cant wait to see you at all out there. But what happened? where does the car sit now? where does the team sit now? while I'm not going to comment on previous posts, it did seem like the ESX Road racing effort derailed as soon as it was getting good.
Either way, I hope to see the car in 07, be it for a singe event, or the entire season... I just want to see a subaru racing at that level.
-Ross
| dowroa | 10-25-2006 04:33 PM |
Gary:
Is the team still trying to run in anymore Speed GT races (got sponsors?), and if the WRX with the 2.5L ever was allowed in SWCTC, would ESX ever think to 'drop down a class'? I don't know if that woul dbe in the budget, or moving over to Grand Am. Regardless, I would love to see you in a Subaru again! :)
- dow
Is the team still trying to run in anymore Speed GT races (got sponsors?), and if the WRX with the 2.5L ever was allowed in SWCTC, would ESX ever think to 'drop down a class'? I don't know if that woul dbe in the budget, or moving over to Grand Am. Regardless, I would love to see you in a Subaru again! :)
- dow
| GarySheehan | 10-25-2006 05:52 PM |
[QUOTE=spazegun2213;15746639]This may be a little off topic but i want to know.
Gary,
While I think this will be exposed to the public in due time, there are a lot of people that wonder why only one race was run. I dont want you to air dirty laundry, as you are an integral part of the team (and as i said, i hope it will be exposed in due time), however, a LITTLE insight into what caused this would be nice.
I mean, we are your fans, we cant wait to see that "06" sti passing porsches and vettes alike! I cant wait to see you at all out there. But what happened? where does the car sit now? where does the team sit now? while I'm not going to comment on previous posts, it did seem like the ESX Road racing effort derailed as soon as it was getting good.
Either way, I hope to see the car in 07, be it for a singe event, or the entire season... I just want to see a subaru racing at that level.
-Ross[/QUOTE]
Ross,
I appreciate your support as well as your curiousity into what happened to the team. However, it is not my place to reveal that information. I think you're right in thinking that it will be exposed in due time.
I can't tell you what the future holds for the World Challenge GT STi right now as I don't know. I'm sure that whatever happens to it will be posted about here first.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Gary,
While I think this will be exposed to the public in due time, there are a lot of people that wonder why only one race was run. I dont want you to air dirty laundry, as you are an integral part of the team (and as i said, i hope it will be exposed in due time), however, a LITTLE insight into what caused this would be nice.
I mean, we are your fans, we cant wait to see that "06" sti passing porsches and vettes alike! I cant wait to see you at all out there. But what happened? where does the car sit now? where does the team sit now? while I'm not going to comment on previous posts, it did seem like the ESX Road racing effort derailed as soon as it was getting good.
Either way, I hope to see the car in 07, be it for a singe event, or the entire season... I just want to see a subaru racing at that level.
-Ross[/QUOTE]
Ross,
I appreciate your support as well as your curiousity into what happened to the team. However, it is not my place to reveal that information. I think you're right in thinking that it will be exposed in due time.
I can't tell you what the future holds for the World Challenge GT STi right now as I don't know. I'm sure that whatever happens to it will be posted about here first.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| AndyRoo | 10-25-2006 06:13 PM |
[QUOTE=dowroa;15746696]Gary:
Is the team still trying to run in anymore Speed GT races (got sponsors?), and if the WRX with the 2.5L ever was allowed in SWCTC, would ESX ever think to 'drop down a class'? I don't know if that woul dbe in the budget, or moving over to Grand Am. Regardless, I would love to see you in a Subaru again! :)
- dow[/QUOTE]
Going to a WRX would involve throwing away a LOT of time and work they just spent on their current STi....
Frustrating situation, I'm sure. Because you know Gary, Marshall, and the rest of the crew spent a lot of their own time pulling all nighters away from their families getting the car ready for Long Beach, and afterwards with the new front end and widebody for what they hoped would be at least 2 or 3 more races this season and in '07. To have all that work thrown away must feel terrible.
- Andrew
Is the team still trying to run in anymore Speed GT races (got sponsors?), and if the WRX with the 2.5L ever was allowed in SWCTC, would ESX ever think to 'drop down a class'? I don't know if that woul dbe in the budget, or moving over to Grand Am. Regardless, I would love to see you in a Subaru again! :)
- dow[/QUOTE]
Going to a WRX would involve throwing away a LOT of time and work they just spent on their current STi....
Frustrating situation, I'm sure. Because you know Gary, Marshall, and the rest of the crew spent a lot of their own time pulling all nighters away from their families getting the car ready for Long Beach, and afterwards with the new front end and widebody for what they hoped would be at least 2 or 3 more races this season and in '07. To have all that work thrown away must feel terrible.
- Andrew
| TurboRX | 10-25-2006 06:20 PM |
As a person who doesn't know much at all about setting up a car for SWC (as Marshall pointed out several times before LBGP) I have a question about the WRX vs STi idea.
What would really change between the GT and ST classes? Would they be able to keep their wide body, suspension, braking systems, basically everything but the engine? Anyone have any thoughts to that?
What would really change between the GT and ST classes? Would they be able to keep their wide body, suspension, braking systems, basically everything but the engine? Anyone have any thoughts to that?
| AndyRoo | 10-25-2006 06:35 PM |
Hypothetically speaking, I'm not sure.
But at this point, it doesn't sound like working on any SWC car is an option for the ESX team anyway.
- Andrew
But at this point, it doesn't sound like working on any SWC car is an option for the ESX team anyway.
- Andrew
| Clavo | 10-25-2006 06:43 PM |
[QUOTE=super laubo;15730811]Hey everyone,
Can you direct me to a link about a Suby participating in the Speed or ALMS GT? I remember reading about a shop who entered the Long Beach event, but I forgot who it was and why they haven't entered in other events. :confused:
I was hoping that a Subie would be present during the ALMS event this past weekend. :(
Thanks!!![/QUOTE]
For the OP. Here is the main thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=960705[/url]
I was at the TGPLB. It was a pretty amazing effort with what they had to go through.
It is too bad something happened to derail it. Hopefully it wasn't catastrophic and we will see Gary and the car back next year.
one of my pics from the race.
[IMG]http://clavoberg.smugmug.com/photos/63825623-L.jpg[/IMG]
Can you direct me to a link about a Suby participating in the Speed or ALMS GT? I remember reading about a shop who entered the Long Beach event, but I forgot who it was and why they haven't entered in other events. :confused:
I was hoping that a Subie would be present during the ALMS event this past weekend. :(
Thanks!!![/QUOTE]
For the OP. Here is the main thread:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=960705[/url]
I was at the TGPLB. It was a pretty amazing effort with what they had to go through.
It is too bad something happened to derail it. Hopefully it wasn't catastrophic and we will see Gary and the car back next year.
one of my pics from the race.
[IMG]http://clavoberg.smugmug.com/photos/63825623-L.jpg[/IMG]
| elgorey | 10-25-2006 06:48 PM |
Gary et. al, maybe you should re-read my last post. I was mistaken in my assumption that the ESX team was a full pro-effort, and took the "ran out of money" comment by someone else too seriously apparently. You guys wanted to come out and race some local races and have fun, not be competitive. Thats cool, just very different from running a fully developed car and contesting races.
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.
Gary I think Ive talked with you long enough online to know that Im not some jacknob trolling around, I have been a fan of subaru roadracing, I made a point to meet you back when the "US"TCC finally ventured off the west coast, and hell I think I even met your mom :lol:
Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.
[QUOTE=GarySheehan;15745320]
Not to take anything away from the GOTO guys, but they are limited by the rules to running what is essentially a stock Legacy GT with safety modifications and a DMS suspension. [b]The budgets required are incomparable.[/b]
[/QUOTE]
That [i]exactly[/i] what Im saying!
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.
Gary I think Ive talked with you long enough online to know that Im not some jacknob trolling around, I have been a fan of subaru roadracing, I made a point to meet you back when the "US"TCC finally ventured off the west coast, and hell I think I even met your mom :lol:
Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.
[QUOTE=GarySheehan;15745320]
Not to take anything away from the GOTO guys, but they are limited by the rules to running what is essentially a stock Legacy GT with safety modifications and a DMS suspension. [b]The budgets required are incomparable.[/b]
[/QUOTE]
That [i]exactly[/i] what Im saying!
| vlady | 10-25-2006 07:16 PM |
You still keep badgering the Tribecca. That car had nothing to do with the race budget for this series. Its a show car built with a completely different budget. And the money spent on that car would not even come close to paying for "a couple of races". If you've been around racing long enough, you should know this. And I think that they intended to be competetive, not just go to some local races to have fun.
| spazegun2213 | 10-25-2006 08:14 PM |
[QUOTE=GarySheehan;15747918]Ross,
I appreciate your support as well as your curiousity into what happened to the team. However, it is not my place to reveal that information. I think you're right in thinking that it will be exposed in due time.
I can't tell you what the future holds for the World Challenge GT STi right now as I don't know. I'm sure that whatever happens to it will be posted about here first.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gary,
As always you speak very well publicly. I cant wait for any sort of press release explaining what happened. It cant be worse than the Lexas ALMS fiasco and even if it is, I know the car will come back!
Either way, I hope to see more videos of you racing, and i look forward to ANY national TV coverage of the ESX subaru. I also hope that in 07 ESX (road racing effort) gets back on its feet and beat some vettes!
good luck!
-Ross
I appreciate your support as well as your curiousity into what happened to the team. However, it is not my place to reveal that information. I think you're right in thinking that it will be exposed in due time.
I can't tell you what the future holds for the World Challenge GT STi right now as I don't know. I'm sure that whatever happens to it will be posted about here first.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Gary,
As always you speak very well publicly. I cant wait for any sort of press release explaining what happened. It cant be worse than the Lexas ALMS fiasco and even if it is, I know the car will come back!
Either way, I hope to see more videos of you racing, and i look forward to ANY national TV coverage of the ESX subaru. I also hope that in 07 ESX (road racing effort) gets back on its feet and beat some vettes!
good luck!
-Ross
| GarySheehan | 10-25-2006 08:32 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey]Gary et. al, maybe you should re-read my last post. I was mistaken in my assumption that the ESX team was a full pro-effort, and took the "ran out of money" comment by someone else too seriously apparently. You guys wanted to come out and race some local races and have fun, not be competitive. Thats cool, just very different from running a fully developed car and contesting races.
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.[/quote]
Again, not true and inaccurate. There were several things that kept us at the back of the grid for Long Beach. The first of which was when the financial deals were done, there was little more than one month to take the car from its 25 Hours of Thunderhill prep and turn it into something resembling a World Challenge GT car. 30 days is not enough time to get everything done
that needs to get done with the resources that were available.
Delays in this very rapid build prevented us from testing the car properly. We said to ourselves that we wouldn't even go to the race if anything kept us from testing. But, sponsors, being the ones that foot the bill, needed the car to appear at Long Beach. The masses they were marketing to were there, so that's where the car needed to be. Untried, in the biggest WCGT race of the year.
Finally, the rules for the STi laid down by World Challenge deliberately kept us off the pace. We knew going into this that our car would be heavily restricted for the first race and that we would work hand in hand with SCCA Pro to have some of those restrictions lifted for subsequent races to get us more competitive. To help you understand these restrictions, we were underpowered given the amount of boost we were allowed, our minimum weight was the second heaviest on the grid (only the Caddy was heavier) and we had the skinniest tires on the grid (all the AWD cars had 305's while we were told to use 275's).
There was a lot going against us for the first race. NONE of them being a "club racer going pro in his backyard" mentality. We were planning on the long haul to develop our car and get it competitive.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.[/quote]
Seriously, you've got to start paying attention. First of all, the Tribeca was already "blinged" before road racing was on ESX's radar. Second of all, the cost of the Tribeca, and all the "bling" that went into it, [B]wouldn't even come close to getting us halfway to the next race, let alone "a few"![/B] You obviously underestimate what it takes to build, develop and run a car at the GT level.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.[/quote]
There was never any underestimation of the budget required. There wasn't then, there isn't now. As a matter of fact, we were right on with our budgeting. As I said before, other circumstances came about that prevented forward progress of this racing team. Any train wreck you are seeing is imagined.
You think you've got this situation all figured out and know exactly what happened, and that's the part that pisses me off. Hindsight, armchair quarterbacking from across the country when you haven't got the slightest idea what knocked this program of the rails.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.[/quote]
Again, not true and inaccurate. There were several things that kept us at the back of the grid for Long Beach. The first of which was when the financial deals were done, there was little more than one month to take the car from its 25 Hours of Thunderhill prep and turn it into something resembling a World Challenge GT car. 30 days is not enough time to get everything done
that needs to get done with the resources that were available.
Delays in this very rapid build prevented us from testing the car properly. We said to ourselves that we wouldn't even go to the race if anything kept us from testing. But, sponsors, being the ones that foot the bill, needed the car to appear at Long Beach. The masses they were marketing to were there, so that's where the car needed to be. Untried, in the biggest WCGT race of the year.
Finally, the rules for the STi laid down by World Challenge deliberately kept us off the pace. We knew going into this that our car would be heavily restricted for the first race and that we would work hand in hand with SCCA Pro to have some of those restrictions lifted for subsequent races to get us more competitive. To help you understand these restrictions, we were underpowered given the amount of boost we were allowed, our minimum weight was the second heaviest on the grid (only the Caddy was heavier) and we had the skinniest tires on the grid (all the AWD cars had 305's while we were told to use 275's).
There was a lot going against us for the first race. NONE of them being a "club racer going pro in his backyard" mentality. We were planning on the long haul to develop our car and get it competitive.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.[/quote]
Seriously, you've got to start paying attention. First of all, the Tribeca was already "blinged" before road racing was on ESX's radar. Second of all, the cost of the Tribeca, and all the "bling" that went into it, [B]wouldn't even come close to getting us halfway to the next race, let alone "a few"![/B] You obviously underestimate what it takes to build, develop and run a car at the GT level.
[QUOTE=elgorey]Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.[/quote]
There was never any underestimation of the budget required. There wasn't then, there isn't now. As a matter of fact, we were right on with our budgeting. As I said before, other circumstances came about that prevented forward progress of this racing team. Any train wreck you are seeing is imagined.
You think you've got this situation all figured out and know exactly what happened, and that's the part that pisses me off. Hindsight, armchair quarterbacking from across the country when you haven't got the slightest idea what knocked this program of the rails.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| mpj_becks | 10-25-2006 08:36 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15748601]Gary et. al, maybe you should re-read my last post. I was mistaken in my assumption that the ESX team was a full pro-effort, and took the "ran out of money" comment by someone else too seriously apparently. You guys wanted to come out and race some local races and have fun, not be competitive. Thats cool, just very different from running a fully developed car and contesting races.
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.
Gary I think Ive talked with you long enough online to know that Im not some jacknob trolling around, I have been a fan of subaru roadracing, I made a point to meet you back when the "US"TCC finally ventured off the west coast, and hell I think I even met your mom :lol:
Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.
That [i]exactly[/i] what Im saying![/QUOTE]
I think your missing the point, it seems to be that the ESX guys were aiming to develope a car based on participating in a few (Gary mentioned 4) events strategically picked I am assuming by location so as to keep control of the expenses. This stratergy is typical of teams working with budgets trying to develope a platform perhaps for the following season.
It's a true shame that this car didn't manage to complete it's planned roster this year not only for those of us that saw it as possibly the best looking Impreza out there but also for all those guys on the ESX team that worked so hard to try and bring it to all of us.
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.
Gary I think Ive talked with you long enough online to know that Im not some jacknob trolling around, I have been a fan of subaru roadracing, I made a point to meet you back when the "US"TCC finally ventured off the west coast, and hell I think I even met your mom :lol:
Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.
That [i]exactly[/i] what Im saying![/QUOTE]
I think your missing the point, it seems to be that the ESX guys were aiming to develope a car based on participating in a few (Gary mentioned 4) events strategically picked I am assuming by location so as to keep control of the expenses. This stratergy is typical of teams working with budgets trying to develope a platform perhaps for the following season.
It's a true shame that this car didn't manage to complete it's planned roster this year not only for those of us that saw it as possibly the best looking Impreza out there but also for all those guys on the ESX team that worked so hard to try and bring it to all of us.
| jamest | 10-25-2006 10:01 PM |
I had a blast at LBGP, it was nice of Gary to make himself available to chat with (How's the baby?). Knowing there were brake issues and being down on power due to being a new entry.. I am patiently looking forward to see how the car/team progress.
| MPME | 10-25-2006 10:22 PM |
[QUOTE=javid;15732160]I haven't chatted with Marshall in a while but I believe they are still bringing the car to the 25 hours of Thunder Hill.[/QUOTE]
Sorry Javid, got the official word the car won't be running at the 25hr. I've also no info on the future activities of the car.
Sorry Javid, got the official word the car won't be running at the 25hr. I've also no info on the future activities of the car.
| MPME | 10-25-2006 10:33 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15748601]Gary et. al, maybe you should re-read my last post. I was mistaken in my assumption that the ESX team was a full pro-effort, and took the "ran out of money" comment by someone else too seriously apparently. You guys wanted to come out and race some local races and have fun, not be competitive. Thats cool, just very different from running a fully developed car and contesting races.
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.
Gary I think Ive talked with you long enough online to know that Im not some jacknob trolling around, I have been a fan of subaru roadracing, I made a point to meet you back when the "US"TCC finally ventured off the west coast, and hell I think I even met your mom :lol:
Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.
That [i]exactly[/i] what Im saying![/QUOTE]
Your opinions, albeit opinions that are based on no knowledge of the team, goals, or plans, are kinda' funny.
Keep 'em coming.
The back half of the fields at most pro races are filled by locals, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Im sure the money that went into that blinging Tribeca would pay for a few races, but thats not the priority of team, and thats fine.
Gary I think Ive talked with you long enough online to know that Im not some jacknob trolling around, I have been a fan of subaru roadracing, I made a point to meet you back when the "US"TCC finally ventured off the west coast, and hell I think I even met your mom :lol:
Ive been around racing long enough to see way too many pro teams get in over their heads and underestimate the budget required to run a competitive car, and place priorities elsewhere than the car only to give up after less than a season. Its frustrating to see this, as any informed outsider sees it happening like a train wreck.
That [i]exactly[/i] what Im saying![/QUOTE]
Your opinions, albeit opinions that are based on no knowledge of the team, goals, or plans, are kinda' funny.
Keep 'em coming.
| LastResort | 10-25-2006 10:49 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME;15751438]Sorry Javid, got the official word the car won't be running at the 25hr. I've also no info on the future activities of the car.[/QUOTE]That's must be a bit of a let down for you guys, after all the work. I'm still holding out, and waiting for your next appearance.
| RBelcher00 | 10-25-2006 10:59 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME;15751438]Sorry Javid, got the official word the car won't be running at the 25hr. I've also no info on the future activities of the car.[/QUOTE]
This makes me seriously sad.
I really wanted to see this car do well in the SWC...
Please update us ASAP if you guys hear anything about it being in future races.
By the way Marshall or Gary, I know I saw pictures of an unpainted '06/'07 front end on the car. Was that ever added on and painted and all that?
If so, do you have any pictures?
Anyway, it's a real shame that alot of us' favorite car is not participating in our favorite form of racing right now (road/track)...
I think I'll speak for everyone here with one of these: :(
This makes me seriously sad.
I really wanted to see this car do well in the SWC...
Please update us ASAP if you guys hear anything about it being in future races.
By the way Marshall or Gary, I know I saw pictures of an unpainted '06/'07 front end on the car. Was that ever added on and painted and all that?
If so, do you have any pictures?
Anyway, it's a real shame that alot of us' favorite car is not participating in our favorite form of racing right now (road/track)...
I think I'll speak for everyone here with one of these: :(
| cooleyjb | 10-25-2006 11:06 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15732292]I do know that Marshall is involved with Larry Weber and a Miata for the 25hrs.[/QUOTE]
Might change that to was involved with a Miata to now a BMW
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL
Might change that to was involved with a Miata to now a BMW
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL
| silver arrow | 10-25-2006 11:08 PM |
Would love to see the car complete. Just as much interest in road racing in the Subaru community as there is for drag racing. Maybe ESX's sponsors for the drag racing effort could be perswaded to help fund a few WC races.
Waiting to see it on the track again.
Waiting to see it on the track again.
| GarySheehan | 10-25-2006 11:36 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15751964]Might change that to was involved with a Miata to now a BMW
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL[/QUOTE]
More info here...
[url]http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169663[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL[/QUOTE]
More info here...
[url]http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169663[/url]
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| M | 10-26-2006 12:03 AM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15732319]"[i]
Bimmerworld started out towing to the track with an old 80s ford truck and beat up open trailer. They focused on performance, started getting top 5s (and podiums) which allowed them to build up their customer base, got some paid rides, and NOW they have the blingin race rig since they can actually afford it. Most of these teams (like Irish Mikes too) would do well for themselves to take the example.[/QUOTE]
It also helps when you come from money and you're running a lower series. Bimmerworld does OK but they are not in the same league as Turner Motorsports. Additionally, they struggled with the E90 when they transitioned. Speed World Challenge flat out sucks, it is the most political "racing" series I have ever seen.
The ESX guys went in over their heads in my opinion. It also hurts when Speed wants the "rally" cars to run with the vipers and pratt and miller cady's. The rules makers will not allow the 2.5l wrx into the touring car class. I know what it takes to run at the highest level of road racing in the U.S. I've been in charge of putting budgets together for running in one of the series mentioned here. It's obnoxious when a club racer comes here and gets all hot when in reality, they are simply friends with guys that run in speed world challenge.
Bottom line:
Pratt and Miller program was 9 million for 3 cars. I think that ESX had a little bit less coin. They went out there and built a car and it made the grid. Enough said.
Bimmerworld started out towing to the track with an old 80s ford truck and beat up open trailer. They focused on performance, started getting top 5s (and podiums) which allowed them to build up their customer base, got some paid rides, and NOW they have the blingin race rig since they can actually afford it. Most of these teams (like Irish Mikes too) would do well for themselves to take the example.[/QUOTE]
It also helps when you come from money and you're running a lower series. Bimmerworld does OK but they are not in the same league as Turner Motorsports. Additionally, they struggled with the E90 when they transitioned. Speed World Challenge flat out sucks, it is the most political "racing" series I have ever seen.
The ESX guys went in over their heads in my opinion. It also hurts when Speed wants the "rally" cars to run with the vipers and pratt and miller cady's. The rules makers will not allow the 2.5l wrx into the touring car class. I know what it takes to run at the highest level of road racing in the U.S. I've been in charge of putting budgets together for running in one of the series mentioned here. It's obnoxious when a club racer comes here and gets all hot when in reality, they are simply friends with guys that run in speed world challenge.
Bottom line:
Pratt and Miller program was 9 million for 3 cars. I think that ESX had a little bit less coin. They went out there and built a car and it made the grid. Enough said.
| MPME | 10-26-2006 12:41 AM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15751964]Might change that to was involved with a Miata to now a BMW
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL[/QUOTE]
I've heard the same rumor.
Gary is lead driver in a factory 25hr program for a different manufacturer, along with his co-drivers, IRL standout Roger Yasukawa, Japanese Super GT ace Akira Iida, and Sam Mitani of R/T:
[url]http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=34&article_id=4133[/url]
[url]http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=34&article_id=4134[/url]
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL[/QUOTE]
I've heard the same rumor.
Gary is lead driver in a factory 25hr program for a different manufacturer, along with his co-drivers, IRL standout Roger Yasukawa, Japanese Super GT ace Akira Iida, and Sam Mitani of R/T:
[url]http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=34&article_id=4133[/url]
[url]http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=34&article_id=4134[/url]
| MPME | 10-26-2006 12:51 AM |
[QUOTE=RBelcher00;15751881]This makes me seriously sad.
I really wanted to see this car do well in the SWC...
Please update us ASAP if you guys hear anything about it being in future races.
By the way Marshall or Gary, I know I saw pictures of an unpainted '06/'07 front end on the car. Was that ever added on and painted and all that?
If so, do you have any pictures?
Anyway, it's a real shame that alot of us' favorite car is not participating in our favorite form of racing right now (road/track)...
I think I'll speak for everyone here with one of these: :([/QUOTE]
The car's been painted as I've been informed, and will be in Joe Arceo's SEMA booth. Joe's an awesome guy and huge Subaru supporter--stop by and say hello if you'll be at SEMA. Along with a number of other partners, Joe was instrumental in support that got the car into SPEED GT.
We'd all love to see the car run again, but I have no idea if/what the future holds for the #99. Everybody that's been involved, from the owners to the crew, want nothing more than to see her run in anger again and again professionally.
With a budget to develop the car further (to what I'd detailed post-LBGP) and to run a no-compromises effort, I'd welcome the opportunity to run an STi in SPEED GT.
Until that day comes, and despite my strong ties and friendships with Ali, Jamie, and ESX, I'm on to other road racing programs.
I really wanted to see this car do well in the SWC...
Please update us ASAP if you guys hear anything about it being in future races.
By the way Marshall or Gary, I know I saw pictures of an unpainted '06/'07 front end on the car. Was that ever added on and painted and all that?
If so, do you have any pictures?
Anyway, it's a real shame that alot of us' favorite car is not participating in our favorite form of racing right now (road/track)...
I think I'll speak for everyone here with one of these: :([/QUOTE]
The car's been painted as I've been informed, and will be in Joe Arceo's SEMA booth. Joe's an awesome guy and huge Subaru supporter--stop by and say hello if you'll be at SEMA. Along with a number of other partners, Joe was instrumental in support that got the car into SPEED GT.
We'd all love to see the car run again, but I have no idea if/what the future holds for the #99. Everybody that's been involved, from the owners to the crew, want nothing more than to see her run in anger again and again professionally.
With a budget to develop the car further (to what I'd detailed post-LBGP) and to run a no-compromises effort, I'd welcome the opportunity to run an STi in SPEED GT.
Until that day comes, and despite my strong ties and friendships with Ali, Jamie, and ESX, I'm on to other road racing programs.
| MPME | 10-26-2006 12:56 AM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15751964]Might change that to was involved with a Miata to now a BMW
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL[/QUOTE]
Larry and I still have the MX-5--it's running in the 25hr, but beyond farming/loaning the car out to some incredible crew folk, and assembling an incredible driving lineup, I'll have no involvement with the effort whatsoever during or before the event.
Now I hear of a Diesel BMW with factory backing showing up. VERY COOL[/QUOTE]
Larry and I still have the MX-5--it's running in the 25hr, but beyond farming/loaning the car out to some incredible crew folk, and assembling an incredible driving lineup, I'll have no involvement with the effort whatsoever during or before the event.
| mav1c | 10-26-2006 08:43 AM |
Wow. Did my comment start all this? Like I said, I just heard a rumor. Nothing more. Lack of money is usually what derails an upstart team in any pro series, so I'm sure that's where it came from.
I can't wait to hear the details on what exactly happened, where the car sits now, and any future plans. I just hope we see the car running again. I'd just hate to see so much effort go to waste.
I can't wait to hear the details on what exactly happened, where the car sits now, and any future plans. I just hope we see the car running again. I'd just hate to see so much effort go to waste.
| javid | 10-26-2006 09:42 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;15755124]Wow. Did my comment start all this? Like I said, I just heard a rumor. Nothing more. Lack of money is usually what derails an upstart team in any pro series, so I'm sure that's where it came from.
I can't wait to hear the details on what exactly happened, where the car sits now, and any future plans. I just hope we see the car running again. I'd just hate to see so much effort go to waste.[/QUOTE]
Actually, now that I've read between the lines I think elgorey has some insider info. I believe that ESX gave Gary $40k for tires, shocks, brakes and such for the 4 races. Then Gary, under cloak of darkness slipped his new Tribeca over to xzibit's place and had him pimp it out. ESX eventually got word of it and the whole effort was dumped. All because of one pimp ars Tribeca. :(
:lol: ;)
I can't wait to hear the details on what exactly happened, where the car sits now, and any future plans. I just hope we see the car running again. I'd just hate to see so much effort go to waste.[/QUOTE]
Actually, now that I've read between the lines I think elgorey has some insider info. I believe that ESX gave Gary $40k for tires, shocks, brakes and such for the 4 races. Then Gary, under cloak of darkness slipped his new Tribeca over to xzibit's place and had him pimp it out. ESX eventually got word of it and the whole effort was dumped. All because of one pimp ars Tribeca. :(
:lol: ;)
| mav1c | 10-26-2006 10:02 AM |
Yeah...ummmm....I think he just has some deep hatred for Tribecas. :lol:
| kfoote | 10-26-2006 11:14 AM |
[QUOTE=DILLIGAF Racing;15745067]which team?[/QUOTE]
Turner Motorsport.
I started working here in early 2002 to initially help build the E46 325 World Challenge cars, and worked on the World Chalenge team until this year, and I now work on the Grand-Am Cup team at the track. For the "real job" part, I'm in the sales office, primarily handling the non-BMW stuff that we deal with.
Turner Motorsport.
I started working here in early 2002 to initially help build the E46 325 World Challenge cars, and worked on the World Chalenge team until this year, and I now work on the Grand-Am Cup team at the track. For the "real job" part, I'm in the sales office, primarily handling the non-BMW stuff that we deal with.
| silver arrow | 10-26-2006 11:24 AM |
[QUOTE=mav1c;15755839]Yeah...ummmm....I think he just has some deep hatred for Tribecas. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Who doesn't? :lol:
Who doesn't? :lol:
| JMU R1 | 10-26-2006 12:00 PM |
[QUOTE=M;15752649]It also helps when you come from money and you're running a lower series. Bimmerworld does OK but they are not in the same league as Turner Motorsports. Additionally, they struggled with the E90 when they transitioned. Speed World Challenge flat out sucks, it is the most political "racing" series I have ever seen.[/quote]
Turner is probably a notch above Bimmerworld but at the same time Turner was never able to beat Realtime to a championship until they hired Bill Auberlen. In the hands of anyone other than Billy the Turner cars perform similarly to BW.
I don't think it is the most political race series ever. They aren't doing a good job and the partisanship has hurt the series but they are not the worst (although that's not saying much).
[quote]The ESX guys went in over their heads in my opinion. It also hurts when Speed wants the "rally" cars to run with the vipers and pratt and miller cady's.[/quote]
To be honest I think part of the problem is that the STi and Evo are sort of 'tweener' cars. Same thing with cars like the 350Z. I think they could get rules that would be fair to them but it's still tough when you're in the same class as 911's and 500 hp Vipers.
Really I wonder if WCGT or Touring are good investments for the racing dollar right now. The costs are very high, the rules are volatile (and sometimes unfair/biased), and the TV package is less than optimal. I can see why Turner switched to Grand Am Cup.
Turner is probably a notch above Bimmerworld but at the same time Turner was never able to beat Realtime to a championship until they hired Bill Auberlen. In the hands of anyone other than Billy the Turner cars perform similarly to BW.
I don't think it is the most political race series ever. They aren't doing a good job and the partisanship has hurt the series but they are not the worst (although that's not saying much).
[quote]The ESX guys went in over their heads in my opinion. It also hurts when Speed wants the "rally" cars to run with the vipers and pratt and miller cady's.[/quote]
To be honest I think part of the problem is that the STi and Evo are sort of 'tweener' cars. Same thing with cars like the 350Z. I think they could get rules that would be fair to them but it's still tough when you're in the same class as 911's and 500 hp Vipers.
Really I wonder if WCGT or Touring are good investments for the racing dollar right now. The costs are very high, the rules are volatile (and sometimes unfair/biased), and the TV package is less than optimal. I can see why Turner switched to Grand Am Cup.
| elgorey | 10-27-2006 06:36 PM |
Well, Im done with this thread. Apparently I missed the part about this being a sackswinger only thread and frank discussion not being allowed.
You can make all the excuses that you want, but if you budgeting was straight on, and your team is such pro effort, but yet you only made 1 race and tried to prep a car in a few weeks. Doesnt add up. Sorry if my observations hurt your guys feelings. Like I already said, Ive been around racing for a while and I know how to call em like I see em.
I make some simple commentary on how I see things, and general commentary about many pro teams in general , you are of course free to disagree, but since you want to continue to drag this out and argue with me, lets go over the results for the one race you managed to make it to as a "pro" team. I wasnt going to go here, but since you want to drag it out.
-Dead last finisher of the cars still running.
-5 seconds off fast race lap
-2nd slowest lap of all cars running, only slower than that joke of a Skyline driven by some forum kid. (who still managed to beat you)
The results speak for themselves, argue all you want.
good luck to your program in the future.
You can make all the excuses that you want, but if you budgeting was straight on, and your team is such pro effort, but yet you only made 1 race and tried to prep a car in a few weeks. Doesnt add up. Sorry if my observations hurt your guys feelings. Like I already said, Ive been around racing for a while and I know how to call em like I see em.
I make some simple commentary on how I see things, and general commentary about many pro teams in general , you are of course free to disagree, but since you want to continue to drag this out and argue with me, lets go over the results for the one race you managed to make it to as a "pro" team. I wasnt going to go here, but since you want to drag it out.
-Dead last finisher of the cars still running.
-5 seconds off fast race lap
-2nd slowest lap of all cars running, only slower than that joke of a Skyline driven by some forum kid. (who still managed to beat you)
The results speak for themselves, argue all you want.
good luck to your program in the future.
| Clavo | 10-27-2006 06:58 PM |
Sackswingers ?
The OP wanted to know about the ESX Subie, and was pointed to their website for info. He was also linked to the original TGPLB thread.
You decide to come in and post an entirely negative response with no helpful info to the OP.
What purpose was that for other than to stir up isht ?
The OP wanted to know about the ESX Subie, and was pointed to their website for info. He was also linked to the original TGPLB thread.
You decide to come in and post an entirely negative response with no helpful info to the OP.
What purpose was that for other than to stir up isht ?
| [email�protected] | 10-27-2006 07:37 PM |
this has been a long time, Irish Mikes Racing pulled out of WCTC due to lack of funds. Marketing seems more important than finishing. We did not have a huge factory rig, just a toter and trailer which we were one of the only teams using ours to sleep in. Last year we had more publicity than anyother WCTC team (outside the top 3), and even Subies in other series the whole year. More T.V. and magazine spots and thats without a top 10. It got us nowhere. Our Marketing to sponsors was not strong or thourough enough!
We had a brilliant car handling wise, but reliability was a killer. The main reason we pulled out was that SOA pulled our contingency program due to lack of funds (they say)!
WCTC and WCGT is not for the privateer anymore, its factory or nothing. You are looking at almost $250,000+ just to run one season not including building of the car, which in SWTC is around $150 k.
We really tried to put a full factory backed legacy GT program into WCTC. needless to say didnt, but we are running in IT and currently building new cars for IT and possibly Grand AM.
GOOD LUCK to any Subaru team that gets a car in any series. Subies can run and be competitive in World Challenge with the right backing and funds!
Scott, IMR
We had a brilliant car handling wise, but reliability was a killer. The main reason we pulled out was that SOA pulled our contingency program due to lack of funds (they say)!
WCTC and WCGT is not for the privateer anymore, its factory or nothing. You are looking at almost $250,000+ just to run one season not including building of the car, which in SWTC is around $150 k.
We really tried to put a full factory backed legacy GT program into WCTC. needless to say didnt, but we are running in IT and currently building new cars for IT and possibly Grand AM.
GOOD LUCK to any Subaru team that gets a car in any series. Subies can run and be competitive in World Challenge with the right backing and funds!
Scott, IMR
| zzyzx | 10-27-2006 07:50 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]Well, Im done with this thread.[/QUOTE]
<sigh of relief>
<sigh of relief>
| GarySheehan | 10-27-2006 08:23 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]Well, Im done with this thread. Apparently I missed the part about this being a sackswinger only thread and frank discussion not being allowed.[/quote]
I'm completely open to frank discussion and have only been giving you the facts regarding our program. You have chosen to ignore them and take offense at the same time.
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]You can make all the excuses that you want, but if you budgeting was straight on, and your team is such pro effort, but yet you only made 1 race and tried to prep a car in a few weeks. Doesnt add up. Sorry if my observations hurt your guys feelings. Like I already said, Ive been around racing for a while and I know how to call em like I see em. [/quote]
Budgeting is the act of planning out what the expected costs of the activity are. Fund raising is the act of securing that budget. We began our program just prior to Long Beach without having secured all of the funding required to meet our budget. We were continuing to work on acquiring that funding. As I said before, there was quite a lot of outside active effort that made securing the remainder of the funding impossible.
You haven't hurt our feelings. Your observations are not observations but generalizations based on what you have seen elsewhere. I am trying to explain to you what actually happened, but it took until this post for me to learn that the facts really don't interest you.
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]I make some simple commentary on how I see things, and general commentary about many pro teams in general , you are of course free to disagree,[/quote]
That's my point. You are generalizing. I am disagreeing because I was a part of this project and know exactly what happened. This does not make me a bad person and it should not elicit insults from you.
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]but since you want to continue to drag this out and argue with me, lets go over the results for the one race you managed to make it to as a "pro" team. I wasnt going to go here, but since you want to drag it out.
-Dead last finisher of the cars still running.
-5 seconds off fast race lap
-2nd slowest lap of all cars running, only slower than that joke of a Skyline driven by some forum kid. (who still managed to beat you)
The results speak for themselves, argue all you want.
good luck to your program in the future.[/QUOTE]
Well, the results don't speak for themselves. I'll address each of your points:
[B][I]-Dead last finisher of the cars still running.[/I][/B] - Yes, we were the last of the running cars. However, we DID finish the race in a car that was built to WCGT specifications in 30 days. The same cannot be said for the 6 Vipers/Vettes/911's that did not finish the race, even though these cars have been raced quite a bit in the past. This was the first Subaru STi to compete in WCGT ever and we finished our first race.
[B][I]-5 seconds off fast race lap[/I][/B] True, we were 5 seconds off the fastest race lap, set by Tommy Archer in a very well sorted Dodge Viper. Both very formidable competitors. After the race we continued to work with the SCCA and based on the data from our car, our competitors cars and radar trap speeds, they made the following restriction changes: max boost up from 21psi to 26psi, max tire width up from 275mm to 305mm, minimum weight reduced from 3150lbs to 3050lbs. The car would have been significantly quicker with these reduced restrictions. Unfortunately, we didn't get the opportunity to show that.
Also, two races prior to Long Beach, the Aston Martin cars made their debut. One burned up on the pace lap and the other one finished the race 6 seconds off the fastest lap of the race. Their cars were also underdeveloped. I don't recall anyone calling them sackswingers for their poor performance and subsequent withdrawal from the series. Only that they had a lot more work to do.
[B][I]-2nd slowest lap of all cars running, only slower than that joke of a Skyline driven by some forum kid. (who still managed to beat you)[/I][/B] - I'm guessing this was the one meant to hurt my feelings. Yes, Igor beat me. As much as you can say "beat" with the issues he and I were dealing with. I know he had some pretty significant issues with his car. The master cylinder failed in my car on lap 3 and I drove the rest of the race with next to no brakes. I'm actually quite happy with my performance after being faced with that challenge. When it first happened, I wasn't sure that I could get the car safely back to the pits. But I adapted to the situation within a lap and I was able to keep the car out there running respectable lap times and bring the car home to finish the race. The same cannot be said for some of my competitors.
You see, there is quite a lot more going on here than what you can observe from your position. The results do not speak for themselves and your generalities are not our specifics.
It's too bad you won't allow the facts to influence your point of view.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url]
I'm completely open to frank discussion and have only been giving you the facts regarding our program. You have chosen to ignore them and take offense at the same time.
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]You can make all the excuses that you want, but if you budgeting was straight on, and your team is such pro effort, but yet you only made 1 race and tried to prep a car in a few weeks. Doesnt add up. Sorry if my observations hurt your guys feelings. Like I already said, Ive been around racing for a while and I know how to call em like I see em. [/quote]
Budgeting is the act of planning out what the expected costs of the activity are. Fund raising is the act of securing that budget. We began our program just prior to Long Beach without having secured all of the funding required to meet our budget. We were continuing to work on acquiring that funding. As I said before, there was quite a lot of outside active effort that made securing the remainder of the funding impossible.
You haven't hurt our feelings. Your observations are not observations but generalizations based on what you have seen elsewhere. I am trying to explain to you what actually happened, but it took until this post for me to learn that the facts really don't interest you.
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]I make some simple commentary on how I see things, and general commentary about many pro teams in general , you are of course free to disagree,[/quote]
That's my point. You are generalizing. I am disagreeing because I was a part of this project and know exactly what happened. This does not make me a bad person and it should not elicit insults from you.
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]but since you want to continue to drag this out and argue with me, lets go over the results for the one race you managed to make it to as a "pro" team. I wasnt going to go here, but since you want to drag it out.
-Dead last finisher of the cars still running.
-5 seconds off fast race lap
-2nd slowest lap of all cars running, only slower than that joke of a Skyline driven by some forum kid. (who still managed to beat you)
The results speak for themselves, argue all you want.
good luck to your program in the future.[/QUOTE]
Well, the results don't speak for themselves. I'll address each of your points:
[B][I]-Dead last finisher of the cars still running.[/I][/B] - Yes, we were the last of the running cars. However, we DID finish the race in a car that was built to WCGT specifications in 30 days. The same cannot be said for the 6 Vipers/Vettes/911's that did not finish the race, even though these cars have been raced quite a bit in the past. This was the first Subaru STi to compete in WCGT ever and we finished our first race.
[B][I]-5 seconds off fast race lap[/I][/B] True, we were 5 seconds off the fastest race lap, set by Tommy Archer in a very well sorted Dodge Viper. Both very formidable competitors. After the race we continued to work with the SCCA and based on the data from our car, our competitors cars and radar trap speeds, they made the following restriction changes: max boost up from 21psi to 26psi, max tire width up from 275mm to 305mm, minimum weight reduced from 3150lbs to 3050lbs. The car would have been significantly quicker with these reduced restrictions. Unfortunately, we didn't get the opportunity to show that.
Also, two races prior to Long Beach, the Aston Martin cars made their debut. One burned up on the pace lap and the other one finished the race 6 seconds off the fastest lap of the race. Their cars were also underdeveloped. I don't recall anyone calling them sackswingers for their poor performance and subsequent withdrawal from the series. Only that they had a lot more work to do.
[B][I]-2nd slowest lap of all cars running, only slower than that joke of a Skyline driven by some forum kid. (who still managed to beat you)[/I][/B] - I'm guessing this was the one meant to hurt my feelings. Yes, Igor beat me. As much as you can say "beat" with the issues he and I were dealing with. I know he had some pretty significant issues with his car. The master cylinder failed in my car on lap 3 and I drove the rest of the race with next to no brakes. I'm actually quite happy with my performance after being faced with that challenge. When it first happened, I wasn't sure that I could get the car safely back to the pits. But I adapted to the situation within a lap and I was able to keep the car out there running respectable lap times and bring the car home to finish the race. The same cannot be said for some of my competitors.
You see, there is quite a lot more going on here than what you can observe from your position. The results do not speak for themselves and your generalities are not our specifics.
It's too bad you won't allow the facts to influence your point of view.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.garysheehan.com[/url]
| cooleyjb | 10-27-2006 08:51 PM |
[QUOTE=elgorey;15777036]Well, Im done with this thread. Apparently I missed the part about this being a sackswinger only thread and frank discussion not being allowed.
[/QUOTE]
Let's look at this piece by piece
Driver: Gary Sheehan-- Proven his abilities with the USTCC WRX consistently placing top 3. Has raced in a number of professional series. He may not have been in the league with Archer, Pilgrim, Aschenbach but we don't know that either (see Car)
Car: Built to class specifications of a class that allows 911 GT3, Dodge Vipers, Corvettes, Aston Martin DB9s, Cadillac CTS-V, Volvo S-60. Hmm I wonder where the four door economy sports car fits in with these. Not too well. Last time I remember people comparing cars to Vipers and Aston Martins, they weren't using a Subaru as a direct comparison.
Team: ESX. They are a drag racing group first and foremost and have all of the items associated with that at their disposal. They had Marshall Pruett working with the team who has demonstrated succes in the past. This was a relatively (to other speed gt teams) low budget setup from teh get go.
So you go after the driver who has demonstrated his ability to be competitive with a good car. You go after the team for having wasted money on the bling multiple times when it has been stated numerous times that those items were jsut a side benefit of being assoicated with ESX.
Why don't you realize that this was a team building a car up from nothing with minimal development and testing and going against some big money teams. Cadillac probably spent more money on hiring a photographer ( I do know how much they spent for photos at Road America) for one race than ESX spent on tires for the Long Beach weekend. With your vast background of Spec Miata racing you don't seem to understand that a new car to teh series, especially a turbocharged AWD car, might have some growing pains. You also don't seem to have the ability to listen to the actual parties involved when they say it wasn't a money issue, there were other factors.
I don't think there was sackswinging going on. There was just a bunch of people annoyed at your inability to listen to others who have a much better understanding of pro racing, and your unsubtanitate ramblings about a team of which you had no knowledge of their situtation.
Gary, Marshall, and anyone else at Thunderhill-- I hope to see you at 25hours, I'm trying to get a photo gig for the race to pay for the trip.
[/QUOTE]
Let's look at this piece by piece
Driver: Gary Sheehan-- Proven his abilities with the USTCC WRX consistently placing top 3. Has raced in a number of professional series. He may not have been in the league with Archer, Pilgrim, Aschenbach but we don't know that either (see Car)
Car: Built to class specifications of a class that allows 911 GT3, Dodge Vipers, Corvettes, Aston Martin DB9s, Cadillac CTS-V, Volvo S-60. Hmm I wonder where the four door economy sports car fits in with these. Not too well. Last time I remember people comparing cars to Vipers and Aston Martins, they weren't using a Subaru as a direct comparison.
Team: ESX. They are a drag racing group first and foremost and have all of the items associated with that at their disposal. They had Marshall Pruett working with the team who has demonstrated succes in the past. This was a relatively (to other speed gt teams) low budget setup from teh get go.
So you go after the driver who has demonstrated his ability to be competitive with a good car. You go after the team for having wasted money on the bling multiple times when it has been stated numerous times that those items were jsut a side benefit of being assoicated with ESX.
Why don't you realize that this was a team building a car up from nothing with minimal development and testing and going against some big money teams. Cadillac probably spent more money on hiring a photographer ( I do know how much they spent for photos at Road America) for one race than ESX spent on tires for the Long Beach weekend. With your vast background of Spec Miata racing you don't seem to understand that a new car to teh series, especially a turbocharged AWD car, might have some growing pains. You also don't seem to have the ability to listen to the actual parties involved when they say it wasn't a money issue, there were other factors.
I don't think there was sackswinging going on. There was just a bunch of people annoyed at your inability to listen to others who have a much better understanding of pro racing, and your unsubtanitate ramblings about a team of which you had no knowledge of their situtation.
Gary, Marshall, and anyone else at Thunderhill-- I hope to see you at 25hours, I'm trying to get a photo gig for the race to pay for the trip.
| AndyRoo | 10-27-2006 10:02 PM |
now would be a good time to close the thread.
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- andrew
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