| WagonMonster | 08-30-2006 12:00 PM |
Subaru: Powered by Edamame! Rally Japan Starts Friday!
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From WRC.com
[quote]More Changes at Subaru
Fuji Heavy Industries project group manager Shigeo Sugaya was confirmed as Manufacturer Principal, Engineering of the Subaru World Rally Team at a press conference in Tokyo on Monday.
He takes over responsibility for the World Rally Championship team operation from Toshi Azuma, who has been given the new responsibility of team Manufacturer Marketing Principal. The appointment is effective immediately and Sugaya was already present at Obihiro in time for the start of Rally Japan. Masaru Katsurada remains the President of STi.
Another appointment is the position of Chief Designer for the team: Frenchman Christophe Chapelin returns to Prodrive after recent work at the Nissan cross country team, replacing Ed Wood who moved onto Formula One work earlier this year. Chapelin will work under SWRT Director of Engineering Steve Farrell.
In another change, Hiroshi Mori has been given responsibility in addition to his current work as Chief Engineer for Impreza road car development. Mori, who last year had some input into the Impreza WRC development work, now becomes responsible for World Rally Car design work in Japan and will work alongside Sugaya.
This latest round of changes will bring a more engineering-bias to the team.
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IBEveryoneSaysIBLoebWinsIt
[quote]More Changes at Subaru
Fuji Heavy Industries project group manager Shigeo Sugaya was confirmed as Manufacturer Principal, Engineering of the Subaru World Rally Team at a press conference in Tokyo on Monday.
He takes over responsibility for the World Rally Championship team operation from Toshi Azuma, who has been given the new responsibility of team Manufacturer Marketing Principal. The appointment is effective immediately and Sugaya was already present at Obihiro in time for the start of Rally Japan. Masaru Katsurada remains the President of STi.
Another appointment is the position of Chief Designer for the team: Frenchman Christophe Chapelin returns to Prodrive after recent work at the Nissan cross country team, replacing Ed Wood who moved onto Formula One work earlier this year. Chapelin will work under SWRT Director of Engineering Steve Farrell.
In another change, Hiroshi Mori has been given responsibility in addition to his current work as Chief Engineer for Impreza road car development. Mori, who last year had some input into the Impreza WRC development work, now becomes responsible for World Rally Car design work in Japan and will work alongside Sugaya.
This latest round of changes will bring a more engineering-bias to the team.
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IBEveryoneSaysIBLoebWinsIt
| Weasel 555 | 08-30-2006 12:17 PM |
Subaru are also giving Toshi Arai a WRCar drive to support Petter and Chris
hopefully they can bring home the goodies since its Subaru's home event !
Matthew Wilson /Luis Companc with Stobart VK M-sport Racing will both be driving the new '06 Focus
Shakedown : Thursday 31 August from 08h30 to 12h00
Leg 1 : Friday 01 September : 10 stages (123,80 km)
Leg 2 : Saturday 02 September : 11 stages (128,02 km)
Leg 3 : Sunday 03 September : 6 stages (93,90 km)
hopefully they can bring home the goodies since its Subaru's home event !
Matthew Wilson /Luis Companc with Stobart VK M-sport Racing will both be driving the new '06 Focus
Shakedown : Thursday 31 August from 08h30 to 12h00
Leg 1 : Friday 01 September : 10 stages (123,80 km)
Leg 2 : Saturday 02 September : 11 stages (128,02 km)
Leg 3 : Sunday 03 September : 6 stages (93,90 km)
| bjorn240 | 08-30-2006 12:49 PM |
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| Yotsuya | 08-30-2006 01:27 PM |
Matt Wilson's getting an 06 Ford for this event?
What's Japanese for 'duck!'
Prediction? No Subaru in the top eight...
edit: unless it's Arai
What's Japanese for 'duck!'
Prediction? No Subaru in the top eight...
edit: unless it's Arai
| solo2wrx | 08-30-2006 02:52 PM |
It would be nice to see a Subaru bring home a decent showing at their home event.
| WRXedUSA | 08-30-2006 03:31 PM |
IByouknowwhowinsit
| skuttledude | 08-30-2006 03:47 PM |
I can't help to think that Subaru practically wants this season over.
Its been been a couple bad years now.
Ok, keep Solberg but spend some $$ on a good all-around driver (Galli!!) and not teach some newbie for their first 2 yrs.
Hirvonen, did a total 180 and is now kickin butt. I wasn't Hirovonen's biggest fan but they didn't let him grow in the seat.
I have yet to see a great drive by Atkinson. Can him. Get a new guy with WRC experience. (Galli!) Heck, Galli is a heck of a tarmac guy.
Comeon Subaru..do you have any spunk left?!
(Subaru, throw lots of $$ at Loeb..there I said it, heh)
Its been been a couple bad years now.
Ok, keep Solberg but spend some $$ on a good all-around driver (Galli!!) and not teach some newbie for their first 2 yrs.
Hirvonen, did a total 180 and is now kickin butt. I wasn't Hirovonen's biggest fan but they didn't let him grow in the seat.
I have yet to see a great drive by Atkinson. Can him. Get a new guy with WRC experience. (Galli!) Heck, Galli is a heck of a tarmac guy.
Comeon Subaru..do you have any spunk left?!
(Subaru, throw lots of $$ at Loeb..there I said it, heh)
| Mopho | 08-30-2006 05:50 PM |
Eating Edamame as I type as a matter of fact
[QUOTE=Yotsuya;15074641]Matt Wilson's getting an 06 Ford for this event?
What's Japanese for 'duck!'
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Well if you mean "Duck", as in get out of the way, it would be "abunai" which means "watch out!"
Duck, like the bird, is " Ahiru" (pronounced Ahilu) ;)
[QUOTE=Yotsuya;15074641]Matt Wilson's getting an 06 Ford for this event?
What's Japanese for 'duck!'
[/QUOTE]
Well if you mean "Duck", as in get out of the way, it would be "abunai" which means "watch out!"
Duck, like the bird, is " Ahiru" (pronounced Ahilu) ;)
| Mopho | 08-30-2006 05:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Davis K Powers;15076862]I can't help to think that Subaru practically wants this season over.
Its been been a couple bad years now.
Ok, keep Solberg but spend some $$ on a good all-around driver (Galli!!) and not teach some newbie for their first 2 yrs.
Hirvonen, did a total 180 and is now kickin butt. I wasn't Hirovonen's biggest fan but they didn't let him grow in the seat.
I have yet to see a great drive by Atkinson. Can him. Get a new guy with WRC experience. (Galli!) Heck, Galli is a heck of a tarmac guy.
Comeon Subaru..do you have any spunk left?!
(Subaru, throw lots of $$ at Loeb..there I said it, heh)[/QUOTE]
It's called investing in the future. It's also called lower budget than Citroen
IMO problem is not so much the drivers, it's the car. Current platform is old and was not so great in the first place
Impreza hatchback FTW!
Its been been a couple bad years now.
Ok, keep Solberg but spend some $$ on a good all-around driver (Galli!!) and not teach some newbie for their first 2 yrs.
Hirvonen, did a total 180 and is now kickin butt. I wasn't Hirovonen's biggest fan but they didn't let him grow in the seat.
I have yet to see a great drive by Atkinson. Can him. Get a new guy with WRC experience. (Galli!) Heck, Galli is a heck of a tarmac guy.
Comeon Subaru..do you have any spunk left?!
(Subaru, throw lots of $$ at Loeb..there I said it, heh)[/QUOTE]
It's called investing in the future. It's also called lower budget than Citroen
IMO problem is not so much the drivers, it's the car. Current platform is old and was not so great in the first place
Impreza hatchback FTW!
| psg | 08-30-2006 10:55 PM |
So who's going to be nominated for manufacturer points this weekend, Atkinson or Arai?
| LastResort | 08-31-2006 12:10 AM |
I saw an interview with Solberg, and he didn't sound hopeful for a win. I think he just wants to cross the line. So depressing.
| WRXedUSA | 08-31-2006 01:26 AM |
Atkinson runs well in Japan. I presume it will be him.
| Weasel 555 | 08-31-2006 08:13 AM |
Shakedown news :
Gronholm completed the shakedown test in 2 minutes 25.3 seconds, nearly two seconds up on his team-mate, Mikko Hirvonen and Subaru's number two driver, Chris Atkinson, who tied for second. Gronholm opted for just three passes through the test, while Mikko did five and Atkinson six.
Reigning world champion, Sebastien Loeb was fourth quickest, his best time a 2m 27.5s, set on his first of four passes through the test in his Kronos Racing-run Citroen Xsara WRC, while Gareth MacHale rounded out the top five in a privately entered Ford Focus.
Subaru number one driver, Petter Solberg was sixth, over three seconds slower than Gronholm, while Kronos Citroen number two driver, Daniel Sordo came in seventh, ahead of Stobart VK duo, Luis Perez Companc and Matthew Wilson, both of whom were getting their first proper run in the 2006-spec Focus.
Gronholm completed the shakedown test in 2 minutes 25.3 seconds, nearly two seconds up on his team-mate, Mikko Hirvonen and Subaru's number two driver, Chris Atkinson, who tied for second. Gronholm opted for just three passes through the test, while Mikko did five and Atkinson six.
Reigning world champion, Sebastien Loeb was fourth quickest, his best time a 2m 27.5s, set on his first of four passes through the test in his Kronos Racing-run Citroen Xsara WRC, while Gareth MacHale rounded out the top five in a privately entered Ford Focus.
Subaru number one driver, Petter Solberg was sixth, over three seconds slower than Gronholm, while Kronos Citroen number two driver, Daniel Sordo came in seventh, ahead of Stobart VK duo, Luis Perez Companc and Matthew Wilson, both of whom were getting their first proper run in the 2006-spec Focus.
| runnah | 08-31-2006 12:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho;15078661]It's called investing in the future. It's also called lower budget than Citroen
IMO problem is not so much the drivers, it's the car. Current platform is old and was not so great in the first place
Impreza hatchback FTW![/QUOTE]
Agreed. The body style is a gaint compared to all the other WRC cars.
Next year will be Subaru's year to win it. With a new platform (P2 esque) and a new awesome driver (Galli) things should pick up. Hopefully the whole tire mess will be sorted out.
IMO problem is not so much the drivers, it's the car. Current platform is old and was not so great in the first place
Impreza hatchback FTW![/QUOTE]
Agreed. The body style is a gaint compared to all the other WRC cars.
Next year will be Subaru's year to win it. With a new platform (P2 esque) and a new awesome driver (Galli) things should pick up. Hopefully the whole tire mess will be sorted out.
| SlideWRX | 08-31-2006 12:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho;15078661]IMO problem is not so much the drivers, it's the car. Current platform is old and was not so great in the first place
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I wouldn't say that, it won the driver's championship twice. Once with Burns it's first year out, and again with Solberg two years later. The last couple years, there have been some 'what can you do' crashes, plenty where drivers over-drove, but also mechanical failures that the car didn't apparently have the first several years.
Tom
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I wouldn't say that, it won the driver's championship twice. Once with Burns it's first year out, and again with Solberg two years later. The last couple years, there have been some 'what can you do' crashes, plenty where drivers over-drove, but also mechanical failures that the car didn't apparently have the first several years.
Tom
| CirrusWRX | 08-31-2006 12:48 PM |
Yeah, but the other cars have since leapfrogged over the ImprezaWRC in terms of advancements in engine, body, tire, suspesion, etc. technology.
Look at the Focus performance towards the end of it's most recent iteration and compare it now- night and day. The NEXT ImprezaWRC should be able to pull off the same thing, but who knows if and when that'll be.
Look at the Focus performance towards the end of it's most recent iteration and compare it now- night and day. The NEXT ImprezaWRC should be able to pull off the same thing, but who knows if and when that'll be.
| runnah | 08-31-2006 01:04 PM |
[QUOTE=SlideWRX;15087706]I wouldn't say that, it won the driver's championship twice. Once with Burns it's first year out, and again with Solberg two years later. The last couple years, there have been some 'what can you do' crashes, plenty where drivers over-drove, but also mechanical failures that the car didn't apparently have the first several years.
Tom[/QUOTE]
When it first came out alot of the competition was running similar sized platforms. Now the trend has moved away from what it was back then to a smaller nimbler platform.
Tom[/QUOTE]
When it first came out alot of the competition was running similar sized platforms. Now the trend has moved away from what it was back then to a smaller nimbler platform.
| Weasel 555 | 08-31-2006 08:57 PM |
[url]www.rally-live.com[/url]
Overall SS2:
1.Gronholm-Ford-06'50"3
2.Hirvonen-Ford-06'52"8
3.Solberg-Subaru-06'53"7 :)
4.Loeb-Citroen-06'58"0
5.Stohl-Peugeot-07'01"1
6.Arai-Subaru-07'02"2 :)
7.Atkinson-Subaru-07'03"0 :)
8.Sordo-Citroen-07'09"9
9.Perez Compa-Ford-07'11"3
10.Wilson-07'11"5
Overall SS2:
1.Gronholm-Ford-06'50"3
2.Hirvonen-Ford-06'52"8
3.Solberg-Subaru-06'53"7 :)
4.Loeb-Citroen-06'58"0
5.Stohl-Peugeot-07'01"1
6.Arai-Subaru-07'02"2 :)
7.Atkinson-Subaru-07'03"0 :)
8.Sordo-Citroen-07'09"9
9.Perez Compa-Ford-07'11"3
10.Wilson-07'11"5
| WRXedUSA | 08-31-2006 10:04 PM |
SS4:
Solberg down 2min to Gronholm.
Arai looks good though.
Solberg down 2min to Gronholm.
Arai looks good though.
| Weasel 555 | 08-31-2006 10:16 PM |
wonder whats up with Petter or the car?
down too 10th
down too 10th
| WRXedUSA | 08-31-2006 10:23 PM |
[QUOTE=Weasel 555;15095227]wonder whats up with Petter or the car?
down too 10th[/QUOTE]
WRC.com reports that him and Atkinson have the same problem.
That amount of time and still running says to me he hit something.
I'm going to listen to WRR for a bit to see.
down too 10th[/QUOTE]
WRC.com reports that him and Atkinson have the same problem.
That amount of time and still running says to me he hit something.
I'm going to listen to WRR for a bit to see.
| Weasel 555 | 08-31-2006 10:24 PM |
Overall as of SS4:
1. Gronholm-Ford-34'45"7
2.Loeb-Citroen-34'55"0
3.Hirvonen-Ford-35'23"5
4.Atkinson-Subaru-35'35"8 :D
5.Stohl-Peugeot-35'54"6
6.Arai-Subaru-36'04"1 :D
7.Sordo-Citroen-36'25"5
8.Wilson-Ford-36'57"5
9.Perez Compa-Ford-37'03"9
10.Solberg-Subaru-37'07"2
1. Gronholm-Ford-34'45"7
2.Loeb-Citroen-34'55"0
3.Hirvonen-Ford-35'23"5
4.Atkinson-Subaru-35'35"8 :D
5.Stohl-Peugeot-35'54"6
6.Arai-Subaru-36'04"1 :D
7.Sordo-Citroen-36'25"5
8.Wilson-Ford-36'57"5
9.Perez Compa-Ford-37'03"9
10.Solberg-Subaru-37'07"2
| Jay911 | 08-31-2006 10:27 PM |
Don't bother, Petter refused to talk to WRR at the end of the stage. I think I heard someone muse about a blown turbo (maybe Atkinson said so).
| WRXedUSA | 08-31-2006 11:17 PM |
The brakes are the culprit. They changed Solbergs gearbox in fear of a center diff problem. Atkinson has brake problems as well.
| Weasel 555 | 09-01-2006 08:00 AM |
hopefully during service they had chance to resolve the issues for Petter n Chris, and day 2 brings subaru better luck :)
rally-live.com
End of Day 1 Overall SS10:
1.Gronholm-Ford-1h11'01"9
2.Loeb-Citroen-1h11'12"4
3.Hirvonen-Ford-1h12'04"0
4.Stohl-Peugeot-1h13'22"6
5.Sordo-Citroen-1h13'56"4
6.Atkinson-Subaru-1h13'58"0 :D
7.Arai-Subaru-1h14'22"4 :D
8.Solberg-Subaru-1h14'36"9 :D
9.Wilson-Ford-1h15'06"7
10Perez Compa-Ford-1h15'06"7
rally-live.com
End of Day 1 Overall SS10:
1.Gronholm-Ford-1h11'01"9
2.Loeb-Citroen-1h11'12"4
3.Hirvonen-Ford-1h12'04"0
4.Stohl-Peugeot-1h13'22"6
5.Sordo-Citroen-1h13'56"4
6.Atkinson-Subaru-1h13'58"0 :D
7.Arai-Subaru-1h14'22"4 :D
8.Solberg-Subaru-1h14'36"9 :D
9.Wilson-Ford-1h15'06"7
10Perez Compa-Ford-1h15'06"7
| CirrusWRX | 09-01-2006 03:14 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;15076603]IByouknowwhowinsit[/QUOTE]
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| datageek | 09-01-2006 08:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Weasel 555;15098119]hopefully during service they had chance to resolve the issues for Petter n Chris, and day 2 brings subaru better luck :)
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No such luck. Petter's problem from yesterday is back. Chris is doing okay, though. Hopefully in his enthusiasm to pick up places he doesn't chuck the car off the road or break anything. But so far (*knock on wood*) he's making up places.
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No such luck. Petter's problem from yesterday is back. Chris is doing okay, though. Hopefully in his enthusiasm to pick up places he doesn't chuck the car off the road or break anything. But so far (*knock on wood*) he's making up places.
| WRXedUSA | 09-01-2006 09:22 PM |
AP is going to die.
| ozymandius | 09-02-2006 01:12 AM |
Jeez, at this point I'm thinking that someone is deliberately sabotaging SWRT's cars. Either that or someone in the crew is so incompetent that the result is the same. Seriously, can SWRT actually get through one rally without something breaking? So we can actually see what Solberg and Atkinson can do when they're not plagued by transmission, brake, power steering, engine, etc., etc., etc. problems?
| psg | 09-02-2006 03:48 AM |
Pretty steady progress thus far during day 2. Atkinson is up to 4th, Solberg's about to catch Sordo for 6th, and Arai's running consistently. If not for the day 1 brake problems, both Atkinson and Solberg would have been within striking distance of Hirvonen and Gronholm.
| Weasel 555 | 09-02-2006 10:17 AM |
Day 2 Overall after SS21
1.Loeb-Citroen-2h27'45"7
2.Gronholm-Ford-2h28'11"3
3.Hirvonen-Ford-2h29'28"8
4.Atkinson-Subaru-2h32'09"8 :D
5.Stohl-Peugeot-2h32'26"1
6.Sord0-Citroen-2h33'11"3
7.Solberg-Subaru-2h33'17"4 :D
8.Arai-Subaru-2h34'25"4 :D
9.Perez Compa-Ford-2h35'38"7
10Machale-Ford-2h37'08"8
Rally Drivers Comments/Talk after Day 2
[url]http://www.crash.net/feature_view~cid~4~id~10067.htm[/url]
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1.Loeb-Citroen-2h27'45"7
2.Gronholm-Ford-2h28'11"3
3.Hirvonen-Ford-2h29'28"8
4.Atkinson-Subaru-2h32'09"8 :D
5.Stohl-Peugeot-2h32'26"1
6.Sord0-Citroen-2h33'11"3
7.Solberg-Subaru-2h33'17"4 :D
8.Arai-Subaru-2h34'25"4 :D
9.Perez Compa-Ford-2h35'38"7
10Machale-Ford-2h37'08"8
Rally Drivers Comments/Talk after Day 2
[url]http://www.crash.net/feature_view~cid~4~id~10067.htm[/url]
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| datageek | 09-02-2006 06:35 PM |
Another day, another brake problem for Petter. Pity... he was in a good position to overhaul Dani Sordo. Two more (longer) stages before service.
| psg | 09-02-2006 07:14 PM |
Petter actually did overtake Sordo for 6th place after SS22 (first stage of Day 3) by a second or so, but quickly lost a ton of time during SS23. I haven't heard the reason yet, but another brake issue doesn't sound too unlikely. Atkinson is still running strong, but has no chance of catching Hirvonen unless he has some kind of failure or off.
| Swanny07 | 09-02-2006 07:42 PM |
Yep, you were right about the brake issue. Petter is reporting brake problems again today.
| WRXedUSA | 09-02-2006 08:30 PM |
In other news, Jari Mari Latvala is winning GroupN in a Spec C
| datageek | 09-02-2006 11:57 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;15113526]In other news, Jari Mari Latvala is winning GroupN in a Spec C[/QUOTE]
In the same news, Jari-Matti Latvala rolled on SS25 and has retired. *is most disappointed*
In the same news, Jari-Matti Latvala rolled on SS25 and has retired. *is most disappointed*
| psg | 09-03-2006 01:58 AM |
...and roboLoeb passes Sainz to become the all-time winningest driver in WRC history. He's had, what, five full years in the WRC? I don't care what he's driving, but that is mindblowing.
Atkinson secures 4th, a little over 3 minutes back of Hirvonen in 3rd. Arai just beat out Sordo by a few seconds to claim 6th; great effort from him. Mr. Unlucky limps in with 8th.
Atkinson secures 4th, a little over 3 minutes back of Hirvonen in 3rd. Arai just beat out Sordo by a few seconds to claim 6th; great effort from him. Mr. Unlucky limps in with 8th.
| soldmyboxster | 09-03-2006 03:00 AM |
It's a hell of a record, but one wonders how well he would have done if he hadn't had a bulletproof car under him. Granted, his driving is impeccable and he almost never makes a mistake. Hell, even when he makes the occasional error the car is still competetive.
Hats off to Loeb, quite a feat!
Hats off to Loeb, quite a feat!
| Weasel 555 | 09-03-2006 09:32 AM |
By finishing first in Japan, Sebastien Loeb becomes the all-time record-holder for the number of victories in the World Rally Championship, with a total of 27 wins. "Congratulations" :D
Sordo - Disqualified !
The Spaniard had been running in a comfortable sixth, until the penultimate stage of the event, the 24.88 kilometre Penke 2 test, when he was held up by Luis Perez Companc's stranded Stobart VK Ford. Companc had ripped a wheel off his Focus and the stage was almost completely blocked as a result. Sordo thus lost time, something that dropped him behind Toshi Arai in the final positions. However once Sordo and co-driver, Marc Marti got going again following the incident, they failed to re-fasten their seat belts properly and as a result were disqualified.
"They lost their sixth position overall in the incident. The Kronos Racing team asked race control that their case should be studied and a national time awarded. This request was rejected. Furthermore, the Stewards having watched the on-board cameras on that stage, noticed the Spanish crew did not correctly re-fasten their seat belts after returning to their car. In consequence, the Stewards have decided to exclude Dani Sordo and Marc Marti from the final classification of the Rally Japan 2006."
End of Day 3 Overall:
1.Loeb-Citroen-3h22'20"4
2.Gronholm-Ford-3h22'26"0
3.Hirvonen-Ford-3h25'06"9
4.Atkinson-Subaru-3h28'28"2 :D
5.Stohl-Peugeot-3h29'31"1
6.Arai-Subaru-3h31'25"5 :D
7.Solberg-3h34'04"1 :D
8.Nutahara-Mitsubishi-3h45'17"8
9.Pozzo-Mitsubishi-3h45'45"2
10.Ligato-Mitsubishi-3h46'19"0
Drivers Championship:
1.Loeb - 102
2.Gronholm - 69
3.Sordo - 41
4.Hirvonen - 33
5.Stohl - 28
6.P.Solberg - 22
7.Gardemeister - 16
8.H.Solberg - 16
Manufacturers:
1.Kronos Citroen -132
2.Ford -121
3.Subaru -74
4.OMV Peugeot -50
5.Stobart VK M-SP -29
6.Red Bull Skoda -22
Sordo - Disqualified !
The Spaniard had been running in a comfortable sixth, until the penultimate stage of the event, the 24.88 kilometre Penke 2 test, when he was held up by Luis Perez Companc's stranded Stobart VK Ford. Companc had ripped a wheel off his Focus and the stage was almost completely blocked as a result. Sordo thus lost time, something that dropped him behind Toshi Arai in the final positions. However once Sordo and co-driver, Marc Marti got going again following the incident, they failed to re-fasten their seat belts properly and as a result were disqualified.
"They lost their sixth position overall in the incident. The Kronos Racing team asked race control that their case should be studied and a national time awarded. This request was rejected. Furthermore, the Stewards having watched the on-board cameras on that stage, noticed the Spanish crew did not correctly re-fasten their seat belts after returning to their car. In consequence, the Stewards have decided to exclude Dani Sordo and Marc Marti from the final classification of the Rally Japan 2006."
End of Day 3 Overall:
1.Loeb-Citroen-3h22'20"4
2.Gronholm-Ford-3h22'26"0
3.Hirvonen-Ford-3h25'06"9
4.Atkinson-Subaru-3h28'28"2 :D
5.Stohl-Peugeot-3h29'31"1
6.Arai-Subaru-3h31'25"5 :D
7.Solberg-3h34'04"1 :D
8.Nutahara-Mitsubishi-3h45'17"8
9.Pozzo-Mitsubishi-3h45'45"2
10.Ligato-Mitsubishi-3h46'19"0
Drivers Championship:
1.Loeb - 102
2.Gronholm - 69
3.Sordo - 41
4.Hirvonen - 33
5.Stohl - 28
6.P.Solberg - 22
7.Gardemeister - 16
8.H.Solberg - 16
Manufacturers:
1.Kronos Citroen -132
2.Ford -121
3.Subaru -74
4.OMV Peugeot -50
5.Stobart VK M-SP -29
6.Red Bull Skoda -22
| psg | 09-03-2006 12:54 PM |
So does that mean Nutahara in the PWRC Mitsubishi unofficially scores a drivers' point in the WRC standings? :lol:
| Weasel 555 | 09-03-2006 03:35 PM |
Yes it sure does :D
26. F. Nutahara (J) 1
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26. F. Nutahara (J) 1
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| datageek | 09-03-2006 03:48 PM |
[QUOTE=psg;15115554]...and roboLoeb passes Sainz to become the all-time winningest driver in WRC history. He's had, what, five full years in the WRC? I don't care what he's driving, but that is mindblowing.[/QUOTE]
Loeb's first win was Germany in 2002, though that was not a full season for him. (Citreon ran a partial program that year.) He is now in his fourth full year in the WRC.
No disrespect meant to Loeb -- he is an absolutely amazing driver who never makes mistakes -- but I am more impressed by Sainz's record than I am with Loeb's. Why? Loeb currently has almost no competition. Sainz achieved his 26 wins racing against Colin McRae (with 25 wins) and Tommi Makinen (24 wins), among others. Back when Carlos was racing there were a lot more people who were capable of taking the win. These days, it boils down to Seb or Marcus. And of the two, Marcus is the one who is more prone to making mistakes or having the car break down on him. How many of Seb's wins have been because he inherited the win once his main competition crashed or broke down, versus wins where he was just the fastest?
Loeb's first win was Germany in 2002, though that was not a full season for him. (Citreon ran a partial program that year.) He is now in his fourth full year in the WRC.
No disrespect meant to Loeb -- he is an absolutely amazing driver who never makes mistakes -- but I am more impressed by Sainz's record than I am with Loeb's. Why? Loeb currently has almost no competition. Sainz achieved his 26 wins racing against Colin McRae (with 25 wins) and Tommi Makinen (24 wins), among others. Back when Carlos was racing there were a lot more people who were capable of taking the win. These days, it boils down to Seb or Marcus. And of the two, Marcus is the one who is more prone to making mistakes or having the car break down on him. How many of Seb's wins have been because he inherited the win once his main competition crashed or broke down, versus wins where he was just the fastest?
| Mopho | 09-03-2006 04:24 PM |
[QUOTE=datageek;15118688]
No disrespect meant to Loeb -- he is an absolutely amazing driver who never makes mistakes -- but I am more impressed by Sainz's record than I am with Loeb's. Why? Loeb currently has almost no competition. Sainz achieved his 26 wins racing against Colin McRae (with 25 wins) and Tommi Makinen (24 wins), among others. Back when Carlos was racing there were a lot more people who were capable of taking the win. These days, it boils down to Seb or Marcus. And of the two, Marcus is the one who is more prone to making mistakes or having the car break down on him. How many of Seb's wins have been because he inherited the win once his main competition crashed or broke down, versus wins where he was just the fastest?[/QUOTE]
I agree. Also Sainz's wins were achieved in many different cars with different and trickier handling characteristics. Loeb has only stuck with one car that has been honed to his liking for years, not to mention the team with a far larger budget than the others.
Additionally, the very nature of the rallies has changed, they used to be longer and have stages at night.
I still say that Loebs dominance is due in large part to the package of him and the Citroen, break up that package and things may be different
No disrespect meant to Loeb -- he is an absolutely amazing driver who never makes mistakes -- but I am more impressed by Sainz's record than I am with Loeb's. Why? Loeb currently has almost no competition. Sainz achieved his 26 wins racing against Colin McRae (with 25 wins) and Tommi Makinen (24 wins), among others. Back when Carlos was racing there were a lot more people who were capable of taking the win. These days, it boils down to Seb or Marcus. And of the two, Marcus is the one who is more prone to making mistakes or having the car break down on him. How many of Seb's wins have been because he inherited the win once his main competition crashed or broke down, versus wins where he was just the fastest?[/QUOTE]
I agree. Also Sainz's wins were achieved in many different cars with different and trickier handling characteristics. Loeb has only stuck with one car that has been honed to his liking for years, not to mention the team with a far larger budget than the others.
Additionally, the very nature of the rallies has changed, they used to be longer and have stages at night.
I still say that Loebs dominance is due in large part to the package of him and the Citroen, break up that package and things may be different
| dakwrx | 09-04-2006 11:52 AM |
For once, seeing a Subaru featured in the Eurosport coverage didn't necessarily mean that a crash was imminent! :D
| FaastLegacy | 09-04-2006 05:24 PM |
Loeb may have the best car and the best team, but I'd argue he's also the best driver as well. Marcus's mistakes are usually his own, and not the car's. Petter's misadventures are split more evenly between himself and the car, but again, he's off just as much as the car is. Loeb's car hardly ever fails, but nor does Loeb hardly ever race ending offs. No one else is really capable of competing with Loeb right now. I do think Mikko, Atkinson and Sordo are the future of this sport though.
| Mopho | 09-04-2006 07:33 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy;15127224]Loeb may have the best car and the best team, but I'd argue he's also the best driver as well. Marcus's mistakes are usually his own, and not the car's. Petter's misadventures are split more evenly between himself and the car, but again, he's off just as much as the car is. Loeb's car hardly ever fails, but nor does Loeb hardly ever race ending offs. No one else is really capable of competing with Loeb right now. I do think Mikko, Atkinson and Sordo are the future of this sport though.[/QUOTE]
You could also argue that Solberg, Gronholm, et al are making mistakes because they are pushing harder to compensate for their inferior cars.
The only way to know if Loeb is truly the best driver, is if he could win in a different car, perhaps when the C4 comes out it will be the tell.
That is the problem with multiple car make racing for determining who is the best driver, it is also a bit of an engineering competition too
You could also argue that Solberg, Gronholm, et al are making mistakes because they are pushing harder to compensate for their inferior cars.
The only way to know if Loeb is truly the best driver, is if he could win in a different car, perhaps when the C4 comes out it will be the tell.
That is the problem with multiple car make racing for determining who is the best driver, it is also a bit of an engineering competition too
| rallymaniac | 09-05-2006 12:01 PM |
Congrats to Loeb for his historic win. This guy is amazing, 4th full season in WRC and he's done that much already.
Subaru, again, proving a pretty dissapointing season? What's happend to the dependability of this car ? :(
OT: Andy i see you moved here? "n00b moderator" :lol:
Subaru, again, proving a pretty dissapointing season? What's happend to the dependability of this car ? :(
OT: Andy i see you moved here? "n00b moderator" :lol:
| runnah | 09-05-2006 12:14 PM |
It wasn't THAT bad of a rally for Subaru. Atkinson actually finished a rally and placed well to boot. Arai did well also. Solberg had the problem with the brakes, but he also had the problem with his pace notes in a few places.
Seems like the early season shake-up of team managment hasn't quite settled down yet.
That being said, it still has been a terrible season for Subaru. Mechanicaly failure every single rally and when they don't break down Solberg and Atkinson throw them into the trees. Maybe this season will light a fire under some asses and they will come back stronger and thirstier next year.
Maybe with the new platform on the way they could at least make a decent chase for the Manfuacturer's title.
Seems like the early season shake-up of team managment hasn't quite settled down yet.
That being said, it still has been a terrible season for Subaru. Mechanicaly failure every single rally and when they don't break down Solberg and Atkinson throw them into the trees. Maybe this season will light a fire under some asses and they will come back stronger and thirstier next year.
Maybe with the new platform on the way they could at least make a decent chase for the Manfuacturer's title.
| Subaru Junkie | 09-05-2006 06:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho;15128175]You could also argue that Solberg, Gronholm, et al are making mistakes because they are pushing harder to compensate for their inferior cars.
The only way to know if Loeb is truly the best driver, is if he could win in a different car, perhaps when the C4 comes out it will be the tell.
That is the problem with multiple car make racing for determining who is the best driver, it is also a bit of an engineering competition too[/QUOTE]
in 2004 at Race of champions Loeb beat Marcus Gronholm with his own car. that was the very first time for Loeb to drive the Peugeot. Gronholm already won 2 championship with the car. Just accept the fact. Loeb is by far the best driver in WRC.
The only way to know if Loeb is truly the best driver, is if he could win in a different car, perhaps when the C4 comes out it will be the tell.
That is the problem with multiple car make racing for determining who is the best driver, it is also a bit of an engineering competition too[/QUOTE]
in 2004 at Race of champions Loeb beat Marcus Gronholm with his own car. that was the very first time for Loeb to drive the Peugeot. Gronholm already won 2 championship with the car. Just accept the fact. Loeb is by far the best driver in WRC.
| Mopho | 09-05-2006 07:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Subaru Junkie;15140063]in 2004 at Race of champions Loeb beat Marcus Gronholm with his own car. that was the very first time for Loeb to drive the Peugeot. Gronholm already won 2 championship with the car. Just accept the fact. Loeb is by far the best driver in WRC.[/QUOTE]
And Loeb got beat by Heikki Kovalainen a rookie F1 driver
ROC is not comparable to a rally championship
Car was the 307, which Gronholm never had any luck with. Gronholm won 2 championships with the 206.
Edit: Gronholm was dominant in the WRC with the 206 until they switched to the 307 and it all went downhill for him
And Loeb got beat by Heikki Kovalainen a rookie F1 driver
ROC is not comparable to a rally championship
Car was the 307, which Gronholm never had any luck with. Gronholm won 2 championships with the 206.
Edit: Gronholm was dominant in the WRC with the 206 until they switched to the 307 and it all went downhill for him
| WRXedUSA | 09-05-2006 09:05 PM |
so, that Loeb guy won, right?
| Mopho | 09-05-2006 09:12 PM |
Loeb even agrees;)
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[QUOTE]Loeb: I'm not the greatest ever
By Tim Redmayne September 4th 2006, 15:52 GMT
Sebastien Loeb believes he cannot be considered the greatest rally driver in history, despite breaking the record for number of all-time WRC victories in last weekend's Rally Japan.
"It really pleases me to get the record. It is great to be the driver who holds the greatest number of victories in the WRC, even if it was not my first motivation. The characteristic of a record is that it has to be beaten.
"But I cannot be compared with the former holders of the record because it was another time for them. I have 27 victories, but in my eyes, that does not mean that I am better than other drivers, like Carlos Sainz, who had 26.
"I also had the chance to be in a very good team immediately with Citroen and in a good car, continually competitive for four years."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]Loeb: I'm not the greatest ever
By Tim Redmayne September 4th 2006, 15:52 GMT
Sebastien Loeb believes he cannot be considered the greatest rally driver in history, despite breaking the record for number of all-time WRC victories in last weekend's Rally Japan.
"It really pleases me to get the record. It is great to be the driver who holds the greatest number of victories in the WRC, even if it was not my first motivation. The characteristic of a record is that it has to be beaten.
"But I cannot be compared with the former holders of the record because it was another time for them. I have 27 victories, but in my eyes, that does not mean that I am better than other drivers, like Carlos Sainz, who had 26.
"I also had the chance to be in a very good team immediately with Citroen and in a good car, continually competitive for four years."[/QUOTE]
| datageek | 09-05-2006 10:46 PM |
[QUOTE=Subaru Junkie;15140063]in 2004 at Race of champions Loeb beat Marcus Gronholm with his own car. that was the very first time for Loeb to drive the Peugeot. Gronholm already won 2 championship with the car. Just accept the fact. Loeb is by far the best driver in WRC.[/QUOTE]
RoC was on tarmac, Seb's best surface and one which, up until this year, Marcus had never managed to win on. I'm not sure you can call that a fair comparison.
RoC was on tarmac, Seb's best surface and one which, up until this year, Marcus had never managed to win on. I'm not sure you can call that a fair comparison.
| WRXedUSA | 09-05-2006 10:47 PM |
Mofo has a point, Sainz did keep pace with Loeb and win calculated rallies during thier time together.
| XenoWolf | 09-06-2006 12:47 AM |
loebwinsit
| Slick33 | 09-06-2006 12:44 PM |
[QUOTE=FaastLegacy;15127224]Loeb may have the best car and the best team, but I'd argue he's also the best driver as well. Marcus's mistakes are usually his own, and not the car's. Petter's misadventures are split more evenly between himself and the car, but again, he's off just as much as the car is. Loeb's car hardly ever fails, but nor does Loeb hardly ever race ending offs. No one else is really capable of competing with Loeb right now. I do think Mikko, Atkinson and Sordo are the future of this sport though.[/QUOTE]
Mikko and Sordo, sure. They've both proven that they're the drivers to watch in the coming seasons. Atkinson, not so much. I wouldn't be surprised to see Subaru dump him in the next season or two (or whenever his contract's up).
Mikko and Sordo, sure. They've both proven that they're the drivers to watch in the coming seasons. Atkinson, not so much. I wouldn't be surprised to see Subaru dump him in the next season or two (or whenever his contract's up).
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